Linux LiveCD *does* come in handy, I have to admit just once
RayLopez99
Because loading a foreign OS like Linux from the CD reader is better
at detecting rootkits, which mimic your Windows kernel, than a windows
based rootkit detector that lives on your hard drive.
So Linux is not all bad--it's good for this one limited purpose.
Go here to get this product:
http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/2008/06/16/kaspersky-offers-free-rescue-disk-to-clean-virus-without-booting-in-windows/
RL
JeffM
>[...]Kaspersky "LiveCD" rootkit detector[...]
>
>So Linux is not all bad--it's good for this one limited purpose.
>
http://google.com/search?q=wipe+%22.dd.if-dev-zero.of-dev-*%22
...and I'm guessing a software pirate wouldn't have any use for
http://google.com/search?q=intitle:GPartEd+Partition-Magic
or for
http://google.com/search?q=intitle:Clonezilla+Norton-Ghost
or for
http://google.com/search?q=Linux+%22.Windows.password%22
Dustin
27c516...@j25g2000vbr.googlegroups.com:
> ...aside from the one you acknowledged the other week.
> http://google.com/search?q=wipe+%22.dd.if-dev-zero.of-dev-*%22
>
> ...and I'm guessing a software pirate wouldn't have any use for
> http://google.com/search?q=intitle:GPartEd+Partition-Magic
He's supposed to be a millionaire.. You mean he can't pay for the apps he
uses? :(
Nice little program, thanks for the share.
--
(Hey) I keep on thinking that it's
(Hey) all done and all over now (whoa)
You keep on thinking you can save me save me
(Hey) My ship is sinking but it's
(Hey) all good and I can go down (whoa)
You've got me thinking that the party's all over
Bobbie Sellers
>
No one can convince me that Ray can
effectively use this tool. When you reply to this
troll you are feeding his ego so I scraped off
the X-posted newsgroups.
later
bliss
Dustin
news:c402e522-326e-4b0e...@u28g2000yqf.googlegroups.com:
> So Linux is not all bad--it's good for this one limited purpose.
No fucking way you have such a high IQ and are a millionaire and say such
silly shit... :)
I don't run linux myself dude, but I do respect it.
Big Steel
>
> He's supposed to be a millionaire.. You mean he can't pay for the apps he
> uses? :(
>
Maybe he knows how to squeeze a penny.
Norman Peelman
AVG makes a linux based repair disc as well.
--
Norman
Registered Linux user #461062
AMD64X2 6400+ Ubuntu 8.04 64bit
G. Morgan
>So Linux is not all bad--it's good for this one limited purpose.
I want some of what you're smoking.
FromTheRafters
When I suggested an alternate boot, I didn't mean that it couldn't be
Windows or even the same version as the contaminated OS it just has to
be a different instance from the one from the contaminated disk.
Linux is indeed good for this.
JeffM
>AVG makes a linux based repair disc as well.
>
http://www.techmixer.com/free-bootable-antivirus-rescue-cds-download-list
Brad Rodriguez has been playing with this crap lately.
http://google.com/search?q=site:goodbyemicrosoft.net+intitle:Linux-AntiVirus
....and all of this ASSuMEs that the whole practice isn't idiocy.
http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/does-anti-malware-do-anything
http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/antivirusculture
RayLopez99
I see. So there's no need to use Linux after all.
If you have a Windows-based rescure CD / rootkit detector I'd like to
use it. As I alluded to in another thread Linux LiveCD has given my
XP system problems if you don't exit the LiveCD properly (you then
need to do a chkdsk to repair your Windows NTFS HD on reboot).
RL
7
But you told us you buy 50 cent pirated copies of windopws from
Far East.
Have you informed the BSA?
These are the sources of some of the numerous viruses and malware
out there. More viri is written PER DAY than all of the fixes
that all of the engineers that micoshaft and its partners like
kaperski can ever hope to write protection for.
450 million+ infected windopws machines out there.
So why stop at using a Linux liveCD?
You could go and install full Linux and be done with?
On a netbook with 1Gb you would be lucky to open 3 decent
applications simultaneously before windopws crashes.
With Linux you can open 30+ decent applications and nothing
much happens to slow down or cause problems.
In any case why choose the kaperski proprietary product
when systemrescueCD liveCD is free, open source,
and comes with ClamAV http://www.sysresccd.org/
ClamAV can be updated within 2 hours of a reported incident.
Numerous other LiveCDs out there as well doing all kinds
of things:
RayLopez99
> ....and all of this ASSuMEs that the whole practice isn't idiocy.http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/does-anti-malware-do-anythinghttp://www.psychocats.net/ubuntucat/antivirusculture
Trying to start a flame war? The link suggests, incredibly, that even
Windows users do not need anti-malware protection. While it's true I
can't remember the last time, as a Windows user, I ever caught a virus
(I think it was the early 1990s), or malware (some program I installed
I had to uninstall a couple of years ago), I think this is going a bit
too far.
RL
RayLopez99
> RayLopez99 <raylope...@gmail.com> wrote innews:c402e522-326e-4b0e...@u28g2000yqf.googlegroups.com:
>
> > So Linux is not all bad--it's good for this one limited purpose.
>
> No fucking way you have such a high IQ and are a millionaire and say such
> silly shit... :)
Nope, try again Dustin.
>
> I don't run linux myself dude, but I do respect it.
>
Why? Do you respect North Korea? Do you respect Hitler? Do you
respect Communism? See my drift? I respect winners, not losers.
RL
7
But you told us you buy 50 cent copies of windopws on your
trips to far east.
Do you respect yourself you utter toe rag?
Doesn't running 50 cent copies of windowps make you an instant luzer?
Hiding behind gold plated Linux technology to protect you
from your luzer credentials needs commenting on.
But as you are a regular anti-Linux troll, its hard disentangle
the cretin posting rants from the luzer posting more rants.
You do realize you became a luzer as soon as you signed
yourself for employment as an anti-Linux troll?
By any chance are you an employee of ntrepid corporation?
http://www.ntrepidcorp.com/
or perhaps an employee of Burson-Marsteller?
http://www.burson-marsteller.com/
The line managers who contracted you were sniggering to the bone
when they when they realized what kind of idiot you were
and how useful it would be to them.
They never had so much fun since hosting a tampon sharing party.
And tell me again:
Why do dishonest Amrikaaan companies like Appil and Micoshaft pay Amrikaans
to troll and post ad-hominem personal attacks on the internet?
Has anyone in these companies got a degree in honesty?
If so prove it.
If not, are you expecting to ride on the back of good faith of the
international community to not criticise amrikaas dumbest criminals posting
trolls and ad-hominen personal attacks funded by amrikkkaan companies
like micoshaft and appil? Are they above the law? I don't think so. Its
time for prosecutors to move in and arrest a few of the criminals funding
asstroturfers hiding behind dishonest corporations like appil and micoshaft
who sponsor ad hominem personal attacks and abuse in the internet
in blantant disregard for law.
A few wikileaks to open up scrutiny of the funding routes and who's who in
the chain of command could be a starting point.
Stories like this
http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=173964
set a precedent which means every asstroturfer is due for a minimum
$400,000 fine.
Asstroturfer offerings
----------------------
I've just read the contents of the fbo.gov solicitation RTB220610
The US government wants asstroturfers and with it sophisticated
asstroturfing technology to drown out democratic free speech,
and then hide from those whom it seeks to victimize.
It was point no.3 that caught my eye:
0003- Static IP Address Management
What that means is the same as what I've been saying for a while about
doofi, flatcake and clog are true.
They are not individuals but a whole asstroturfing team
behind each sock puppet.
There isn't enough memory between the sock operators to know
or remember what had been said earlier so you know the
conversations are being typed out by multiple individuals
impersonating each other.
It was notable gaffs by the goofy doofy sock that first gave it away.
The asstrotufing teams had already gone into government and offered them
consulting services about what technology and asstroturfing
practices were out there for fbo.gov to decide what they will
purchase in solicitation RTB220610.
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=d88e9d660336be91552fe8c1a51bacb2&tab=core&_cview=1
Solicitation Number: RTB220610
Notice Type: Sources Sought
Synopsis: Added: 2010-06-22 13:42:52Jun 22, 2010 1:42 pm
Modified: 2010-06-22 14:07:11Jun 22, 2010 2:07 pmTrack Changes
0001- Online Persona Management Service.
50 User Licenses, 10 Personas per user. Software will
allow 10 personas per user, replete with background,
history, supporting details, and cyber presences
that are technically, culturally and geographacilly
consistent. Individual applications will enable an
operator to exercise a number of different online
persons from the same workstation and without fear
of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries.
Personas must be able to appear to originate in
nearly any part of the world and can interact through
conventional online services and social media platforms.
The service includes a user friendly application
environment to maximize the user's situational
awareness by displaying real-time local information.
0002- Secure Virtual Private Network (VPN).
1 each VPN provides the ability for users to
daily and automatically obtain
randomly selected IP addresses through
which they can access the internet. The daily
rotation of the user s IP address prevents compromise
during observation of likely or targeted web sites
or services, while hiding the existence of the
operation. In addition, may provide traffic mixing,
blending the user s traffic with traffic from multitudes
of users from outside the organization. This traffic
blending provides excellent cover and powerful deniability.
Anonymizer Enterprise Chameleon or equal
0003- Static IP Address Management.
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
50 each Licence protects the identity of government
agencies and enterprise organizations. Enables organizations
to manage their persistent online personas by assigning
static IP addresses to each persona. Individuals
can perform static impersonations, which allow
them to look like the same person over time. Also allows
organizations that frequent same site/service often to
easily switch IP addresses to look like ordinary
users as opposed to one organization.
Anonymizer IP Mapper License or equal
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
0004- Virtual Private Servers,
CONUS. 1 each Provides CONUS or OCONUS points of
presence locations that are setup for each customer
based on the geographic area of operations the
customer is operating within and which allow a
customer?s online persona(s) to appear to originate
from. Ability to provide virtual private servers that
are procured using commercial hosting centers around
the world and which are established anonymously. Once
procured, the geosite is incorporated into the network
and integrated within the customers environment and
ready for use by the customer. Unless specifically
designated as shared, locations are dedicated for use
by each customer and never shared among other customers.
Anonymizer Annual Dedicated CONUS Light Geosite or equal
0005- Virtual Private Servers, OCONUS.
8 Each Provides CONUS or OCONUS points of presence
locations that are setup for each customer based on
the geographic area of operations the customer is
operating within and which allow a customer?s
online persona(s) to appear toWas it related to drug abuse?
originate from. Ability to provide virtual private
servers that are procured using commercial hosting
centers around the world and which are established
anonymously. Once procured, the geosite is incorporated
into the network and integrated within the customers
environment and ready for use by the customer. Unless
specifically designated as shared, locations are dedicated
for use by each customer and never shared among other
customers. Anonymizer Annual Dedicated OCONUS Light ell troll, i
Geosite or equal
0006- Remote Access Secure Virtual Private Network.
1 each Secure Operating Environment provides a reliable
and protected computing environment from which to stage
and conduct operations. Every session uses a clean
Virtual Machine (VM) image. The solution is accessed
through sets of Virtual Private Network (VPN) devices
located at each Customer facility. The fully-managed
VDI (Virtual Desktop Infrastructure) is an environment
that allows users remote access from their desktop into
a VM. Upon session termination, the VM is deleted and
any virus, worm, or malicious software that the user
inadvertently downloaded is destroyed. Anonymizer
Virtual Desktop Infrastructure (VDI) Solution or equal.
Contracting Office Address:
2606 Brown Pelican Ave.
MacDill AFB, Florida 33621-5000
United States
Lets start this troll interrogation again:
Place of Performance:
Performance will be at MacDIll AFB, Kabul, Afghanistan and Baghdad, Iraq.
MacDill AFB , Florida 33679
United States
Primary Point of Contact.:
Russell Beasley,
Contracting Officer
russell.b...@macdill.af.mil
Phone: (813) 828-4729
Fax: (813) 828-5111
Alan Mackenzie
> If you have a Windows-based rescure CD / rootkit detector I'd like to
> use it. As I alluded to in another thread Linux LiveCD has given my
> XP system problems if you don't exit the LiveCD properly (you then
> need to do a chkdsk to repair your Windows NTFS HD on reboot).
Pull the other one! As established in that other thread, the live CD did
_nothing_ to your NTFS hard drive. The alleged problem happened when you
failed to shut down Windows cleanly.
> RL
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Norman Peelman
A Windows based rescue disc would more than likely be illegal.
mike
Good thing there've been no new viruses created since then.
mike
Which can identify but NOT automatically remove viruses?
The F-secure screen shot is worrisome.
I have several false positives on my system. Summarily
removing them would be undesirable.
I'd like to choose which get deleted.
The Natural Philosopher
Which proves the general point that Ray is too stupid to even use windows.
>> RL
>
7
It is not possible to negotiate terms with virus and malware
writers. You must reformat and re-install.
In one place I know of something got in and then spread and
then some evil bar steward came in and wiped the entire servers clean.
It brought a 100+ strong company to its knees.
Would you take that risk?
Your average windummy is a fawn and has not even the
basic skills to understand what a fly by infection means.
chrisv
>G. Morgan wrote:
>> RayLopez99 wrote:
>>
>>> So Linux is not all bad--it's good for this one limited purpose.
>>
>> I want some of what you're smoking.
>>
>He just loves to troll the Linux zealots. :o)
Why everyone doesn't plonk the idiot is a mystery...
FromTheRafters
That statement is stupid on so many levels.
JeffM
>It is not possible to negotiate terms with virus and malware
>writers. You must reformat and re-install.
>
You forgot about boot sector viruses.
JeffM
>A Windows based rescue disc would more than likely be illegal.
>
(After all, it is Windoze
and needs the stupid one-machine-only Windoze Registry.)
In order to deal with any infected drive,
that drive must be transplanted into that *ONE* box.
...and it does seem that one or the other of
the EULAs for the various paywares being used
would likely forbid building your own rescue disc
(without paying yet more to a corporation--or several).
TomB
On 2011-07-06, the following emerged from the brain of JeffM:
> Norman Peelman wrote:
>>A Windows based rescue disc would more than likely be illegal.
>>
> Bootable Windoze disks (e.g. Bart PE) are *only* usable on ONE box.
The 'mini-XP' included on Hiren's boots on almost all machines you
throw it at.
--
Let me just troll Ubuntu right here: I like the parts of Ubuntu that are like
Linux.
~ owl
JeffM
>2008?????
>Good thing there've been no new viruses created since then.
>
"For a minute I thought we were in trouble."
http://google.com/search?q=%22.50.millionth%22+malware
It's surprising that Dopez can use his Windoze box at all.
I'd expect him to be in this lot:
http://google.com/search?q=botnet+%22.13.million%22
FromTheRafters
> On Jul 6, 6:43 am, FromTheRafters<erra...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> G. Morgan wrote:
>>> RayLopez99 wrote:
>>
>>>> So Linux is not all bad--it's good for this one limited purpose.
>>
>>> I want some of what you're smoking.
>>
>> He just loves to troll the Linux zealots. :o)
>>
>> When I suggested an alternate boot, I didn't mean that it couldn't be
>> Windows or even the same version as the contaminated OS it just has to
>> be a different instance from the one from the contaminated disk.
>>
>> Linux is indeed good for this.
>
> I see. So there's no need to use Linux after all.
It is only necessary (in this scenario) that the malware is not active
while you are trying to remove it.
> If you have a Windows-based rescure CD / rootkit detector I'd like to
> use it.
http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/redmond/projects/strider/rootkit/
Dustin
news:0038a6c3-32d2-4126...@y30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>> No fucking way you have such a high IQ and are a millionaire and
>> say such silly shit... :)
>
> Nope, try again Dustin.
hahaha.. No thanks. I've seen my share of dumbfucks like you. the world
is full of them.
> respect Communism? See my drift? I respect winners, not losers.
LOL!
Dustin
news:3AXQp.24106$Rw7....@newsfe28.ams2:
> It is not possible to negotiate terms with virus and malware
> writers. You must reformat and re-install.
Please don't claim to speak on the Vxers or ex vsers halfs. You aren't
one of us, now or formally. And no, reformat and reinstall isn't always
necessary.
> Your average windummy is a fawn and has not even the
> basic skills to understand what a fly by infection means.
drive by download. Strickly speaking, infection is a viral term.
7
> 7 <email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> wrote in
> news:3AXQp.24106$Rw7....@newsfe28.ams2:
>
>> It is not possible to negotiate terms with virus and malware
>> writers. You must reformat and re-install.
>
> Please don't claim to speak on the Vxers or ex vsers halfs. You aren't
> one of us, now or formally. And no, reformat and reinstall isn't always
> necessary.
Well Mr, I vehemently disagree with you.
Dustin
news:ME5Rp.15328$yn7...@newsfe20.ams2:
> Dustin wrote:
>
>> 7 <email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> wrote in
>> news:3AXQp.24106$Rw7....@newsfe28.ams2:
>>
>>> It is not possible to negotiate terms with virus and malware
>>> writers. You must reformat and re-install.
>>
>> Please don't claim to speak on the Vxers or ex vsers halfs. You
>> aren't one of us, now or formally. And no, reformat and reinstall
>> isn't always necessary.
>
>
> Well Mr, I vehemently disagree with you.
As a former virus writer and certified technician who retired from
blackhat arts 11 years ago; I tend not to care. You have an opinion and
only that.
Big Steel
> 7<email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> wrote in
> news:ME5Rp.15328$yn7...@newsfe20.ams2:
>
>> Dustin wrote:
>>
>>> 7<email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> wrote in
>>> news:3AXQp.24106$Rw7....@newsfe28.ams2:
>>>
>>>> It is not possible to negotiate terms with virus and malware
>>>> writers. You must reformat and re-install.
>>>
>>> Please don't claim to speak on the Vxers or ex vsers halfs. You
>>> aren't one of us, now or formally. And no, reformat and reinstall
>>> isn't always necessary.
>>
>>
>> Well Mr, I vehemently disagree with you.
>
> As a former virus writer and certified technician who retired from
> blackhat arts 11 years ago; I tend not to care. You have an opinion and
> only that.
>
>
You are dealing with the lunatic 7 "The President of COLA" and something
about it being the inventor of the year one year. The clown is a sick soul.
Do you have the picture as to what you are dealing with?
The Natural Philosopher
> 7 <email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> wrote in
> news:ME5Rp.15328$yn7...@newsfe20.ams2:
>
>> Dustin wrote:
>>
>>> 7 <email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> wrote in
>>> news:3AXQp.24106$Rw7....@newsfe28.ams2:
>>>
>>>> It is not possible to negotiate terms with virus and malware
>>>> writers. You must reformat and re-install.
>>> Please don't claim to speak on the Vxers or ex vsers halfs. You
>>> aren't one of us, now or formally. And no, reformat and reinstall
>>> isn't always necessary.
>>
>> Well Mr, I vehemently disagree with you.
>
> As a former virus writer and certified technician who retired from
> blackhat arts 11 years ago; I tend not to care. You have an opinion and
> only that.
>
>
RayLopez99
> mike wrote:
> > RayLopez99 wrote:
> >> Tried a Kaspersky "LiveCD" rootkit detector that uses Linux. Why?
> >> Because loading a foreign OS like Linux from the CD reader is better
> >> at detecting rootkits, which mimic your Windows kernel, than a windows
> >> based rootkit detector that lives on your hard drive.
>
> >> So Linux is not all bad--it's good for this one limited purpose.
>
> >> Go here to get this product:
>
> >> RL
> > 2008?????
> > Good thing there've been no new viruses created since then.
>
> That statement is stupid on so many levels.
Not least of which is that the Rescue Disk does establish a connection
to the internet, and asks if you want to download the latest
signatures, plus, 2008 is better than nothing, plus, I think Kaspersky
probably updates the freeware every so often so it's no doubt more
recent.
RL
RayLopez99
<email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_...@enemygadgets.com> wrote:
> Dustin wrote:
> > 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_...@enemygadgets.com> wrote in
> >news:3AXQp.24106$Rw7....@newsfe28.ams2:
>
> >> It is not possible to negotiate terms with virus and malware
> >> writers. You must reformat and re-install.
>
> > Please don't claim to speak on the Vxers or ex vsers halfs. You aren't
> > one of us, now or formally. And no, reformat and reinstall isn't always
> > necessary.
>
> Well Mr, I vehemently disagree with you.
LMAO! When worlds collide: 7 the visionary retard meets Dustin of
the unsanitary hand. Eat your hearts out geek losers, you deserve
each other.
RL
RayLopez99
> On 7/6/2011 9:57 PM, Dustin wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >news:ME5Rp.15328$yn7...@newsfe20.ams2:
>
> >> Dustin wrote:
>
> >>> 7<email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_...@enemygadgets.com> wrote in
> >>>news:3AXQp.24106$Rw7....@newsfe28.ams2:
>
> >>>> It is not possible to negotiate terms with virus and malware
> >>>> writers. You must reformat and re-install.
>
> >>> Please don't claim to speak on the Vxers or ex vsers halfs. You
> >>> aren't one of us, now or formally. And no, reformat and reinstall
> >>> isn't always necessary.
>
> >> Well Mr, I vehemently disagree with you.
>
> > As a former virus writer and certified technician who retired from
> > blackhat arts 11 years ago; I tend not to care. You have an opinion and
> > only that.
>
> You are dealing with the lunatic 7 "The President of COLA" and something
> about it being the inventor of the year one year. The clown is a sick soul.
>
> Do you have the picture as to what you are dealing with?
LMAO! That's why Usenet is so great--it brings out the loons.
RL
FromTheRafters
Did you get in a round of golf?
Dustin
news:uMOdna5o5cFBs4jT...@earthlink.com:
Yep.. LOL, thanks for the fucked up mental image. [g]
Dustin
news:iv3e1o$mfl$9...@news.albasani.net:
LOL. See, you can tell people the truth and they still don't believe
you. Just like in the pirates of the carribean movie. "I'm going to
take your ship. I said no lies." What happens? he takes the ship.
hehehehe.
RayLopez99
> The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote innews:iv3e1o$mfl$9...@news.albasani.net:
>
> >>> Well Mr, I vehemently disagree with you.
>
> >> As a former virus writer and certified technician who retired from
> >> blackhat arts 11 years ago; I tend not to care. You have an opinion
> >> and only that.
>
> > yeah yeah and I was on the apollo 13 mission blah blah.
>
> LOL. See, you can tell people the truth and they still don't believe
> you. Just like in the pirates of the carribean movie. "I'm going to
> take your ship. I said no lies." What happens? he takes the ship.
> hehehehe.
Yeah, that's why COLA and COLS are for flaming: lot's of low-lying
fruit (cakes) to pick (on) for trolls like me. They always fall for
the bait too...then complain about trolling. Either they are too
stupid or just asking for it. This clown Natural Philosopher is one
of the more denser of the participants, as you can tell.
RL
The Natural Philosopher
I dont play golf.
The Natural Philosopher
> The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
> news:iv3e1o$mfl$9...@news.albasani.net:
>
>> Dustin wrote:
>>> 7 <email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> wrote in
>>> news:ME5Rp.15328$yn7...@newsfe20.ams2:
>>>
>>>> Dustin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 7 <email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> wrote
>>>>> in news:3AXQp.24106$Rw7....@newsfe28.ams2:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not possible to negotiate terms with virus and malware
>>>>>> writers. You must reformat and re-install.
>>>>> Please don't claim to speak on the Vxers or ex vsers halfs. You
>>>>> aren't one of us, now or formally. And no, reformat and reinstall
>>>>> isn't always necessary.
>>>> Well Mr, I vehemently disagree with you.
>>> As a former virus writer and certified technician who retired from
>>> blackhat arts 11 years ago; I tend not to care. You have an opinion
>>> and only that.
>>>
>>>
>> yeah yeah and I was on the apollo 13 mission blah blah.
>
> LOL. See, you can tell people the truth and they still don't believe
> you. Just like in the pirates of the carribean movie. "I'm going to
> take your ship. I said no lies." What happens? he takes the ship.
> hehehehe.
>
>
Your whole posting style and use of language informs anyone who is
experienced as to exactly what sort of person you are.
Dustin
@news.albasani.net:
> Golly. And you think that movie is historical fact too I suppose?
No, but it was a perfect example. I told you the truth about me, 100%, no
lies, and you think I'm BSing. [g]
> Your whole posting style and use of language informs anyone who is
> experienced as to exactly what sort of person you are.
experienced at what? Writing code? hacking? bootlegging? Sure, I'd buy
that.
RayLopez99
>
> > Your whole posting style and use of language informs anyone who is
> > experienced as to exactly what sort of person you are.
>
> experienced at what? Writing code? hacking? bootlegging? Sure, I'd buy
> that.
>
I was talking to this hacker who claims he can break into any computer
in the world, etc etc. Being a junior programmer myself I could not
say I believed him 100%, though he was more of a low-level machine
language guy like you so maybe he knows tricks that are not even
published in mainstream media. Of interest though is that he said
there is no difference between black hat and white hat hackers--they
both are the same thing. I've heard the same thing about crooks and
police in a cynical context.
So Dustin, in your retirement you could supplement your income by
working for the mafia being a black hat hacker instead of wasting your
time here. Or, in lieu of your "I'd buy that" comment, maybe you
already do?
RL
Dustin
63d127...@34g2000yqr.googlegroups.com:
> I was talking to this hacker who claims he can break into any computer
> in the world, etc etc. Being a junior programmer myself I could not
My bad. You quoted me. I took that as a reply to me. And , occasionally,
we seem to be wiseasses towards one another. Apologies for my
assholiness.
> published in mainstream media. Of interest though is that he said
> there is no difference between black hat and white hat hackers--they
> both are the same thing. I've heard the same thing about crooks and
> police in a cynical context.
Well.. in a cynical sense, he's right. It's a matter of ethics. Blackhat
vs whitehat. same skills between both. Just one is more willing to do ..
shall we say, less than above board for the results. [g]
> time here. Or, in lieu of your "I'd buy that" comment, maybe you
> already do?
Tsk Tsk... [g]
FromTheRafters
> RayLopez99<raylo...@gmail.com> wrote in news:3c7bbf61-7317-443e-aa94-
> 63d127...@34g2000yqr.googlegroups.com:
>
>> I was talking to this hacker who claims he can break into any computer
>> in the world, etc etc. Being a junior programmer myself I could not
>
> My bad. You quoted me. I took that as a reply to me. And , occasionally,
> we seem to be wiseasses towards one another. Apologies for my
> assholiness.
>
>> published in mainstream media. Of interest though is that he said
>> there is no difference between black hat and white hat hackers--they
>> both are the same thing. I've heard the same thing about crooks and
>> police in a cynical context.
>
> Well.. in a cynical sense, he's right. It's a matter of ethics. Blackhat
> vs whitehat. same skills between both. Just one is more willing to do ..
> shall we say, less than above board for the results. [g]
Black, or white?
Suppose you worked for your government to fight terrorism, and you were
working on a targeted worm to infiltrate their systems. Then, you
discover a wormable exploit that you can use as an auto distribution
mechanism. Do you do the responsible disclosure thing or do you sit on
that information until after infiltration?
White Hat is "Ethical Hacker" but it would still depend on your sense of
ethics.
RayLopez99
> Dustin wrote:
> > RayLopez99<raylope...@gmail.com> wrote in news:3c7bbf61-7317-443e-aa94-
> > 63d127c24...@34g2000yqr.googlegroups.com:
Good point. And also if you are a White Hat for Israel you are, by
definition, a Black Hat for all of Israel's enemies. And vice versa.
The UK rocket scientist who was helping Iraq develop a high-powered
near ballistic artillery piece was assassinated by Mossad, the Israeli
secret service. Bell was his name, without Googling it. OK I did
Google it and he was Canadian living in Belgium: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull
RL
kurt wismer
> On Jul 10, 7:27 am, FromTheRafters <erra...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> > White Hat is "Ethical Hacker" but it would still depend on your sense of
> > ethics.
>
> Good point. And also if you are a White Hat for Israel you are, by
> definition, a Black Hat for all of Israel's enemies.
sorry, i can't agree. when you enter the realm of cyber-warfare (where
your actions are good for your country but bad for others) then you
are not a white-hat. at best you are a grey-hat.
ethical warfare? please. sometimes doing bad things is necessary, but
lets not dress them up as good things.
Dustin
news:ivb9n3$gt0$1...@dont-email.me:
> White Hat is "Ethical Hacker" but it would still depend on your
> sense of ethics.
As well as the conditions in which you find yourself in. IE: the example
you provided.
Dustin
news:54e7a804-1951-4b00...@hd10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com
:
> sorry, i can't agree. when you enter the realm of cyber-warfare
> (where your actions are good for your country but bad for others)
> then you are not a white-hat. at best you are a grey-hat.
Hi Kurt.. Long time...
> ethical warfare? please. sometimes doing bad things is necessary,
> but lets not dress them up as good things.
I wasn't even attempting to do so.
kurt wismer
> kurt wismer <ku...@sympatico.ca> wrote innews:54e7a804-1951-4b00...@hd10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com
> :
>
> > sorry, i can't agree. when you enter the realm of cyber-warfare
> > (where your actions are good for your country but bad for others)
> > then you are not a white-hat. at best you are a grey-hat.
>
> Hi Kurt.. Long time...
yup, about 2 years according to the index.
> > ethical warfare? please. sometimes doing bad things is necessary,
> > but lets not dress them up as good things.
>
> I wasn't even attempting to do so.
i don't think i suggested otherwise. certainly didn't intend to.
FromTheRafters
Hi kurt. Maybe RayLopez99 is "invisible" to Dustin and it looked (to
him) like you were responding to him. I, myself, wondered about Dustin's
response.
Dustin
> On Jul 10, 2:19 pm, Dustin <bughunter.dus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> kurt wismer <ku...@sympatico.ca> wrote
>> innews:54e7a804-1951-4b00-aea5-e4c
> 7971...@hd10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com
>> :
>>
>> > sorry, i can't agree. when you enter the realm of cyber-warfare
>> > (where your actions are good for your country but bad for others)
>> > then you are not a white-hat. at best you are a grey-hat.
>>
>> Hi Kurt.. Long time...
>
> yup, about 2 years according to the index.
Glad to see you're still around. I just lost a good friend in RL to
cancer yesterday morning... So, I'm really glad to have heard from you
yesterday.