wpad.dat attack on Linux Apache server

[Sandman]

I don't actually know if it's an attack.

My Apache server was slow - symptoms being slow responses (after PHP had
processed and sent to client) and dropped connections, looked in the log
files, found 12GB of accesses to /wpad.dat on my catch-all vhost.

I got thousands of requests per minute from hundreds of different hosts,
and a sample of these showed that they all seemed like legit end-user
hosts, not a tor proxy botnet at least.

I googled some, and found that wpad is some form of auto-discover proxy
settings. Problem is, it should be done to the local network. So if my
machine is on the "example.com" network, my browser will send a request
to "wpad.example.com" to find proxy settings. not
"wpad.remoteinternetsite.com".

So, maybe it is an attack after all?

I added a wpad.dat file to the server, with this content:

function FindProxyForURL(url, host) { return "PROXY 127.0.0.1:445"; }

Which just tells these clients to look for a proxy on localhost. Nothing
changed. Thousands of thousands of requests.

In /server-status for Apache, my queue is filled with /wpad.dat requests
with the "K" status (Keep-Alive), so that sounds like why it's slow.

Ok, so I'll block it. Blocking it in apache seemd stupid, it would still
process the requests, so to iptables:

iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -m string --to 70 --algo bm \
--string "GET /wpad.dat" -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset

Yes, I know this analyzes *every* request, and wastes CPU cycles, I may
get around to chain this into a seperate iptables chain and only act on
correct parts. In about an hour, this has blocked 45k requests, or about
750 per minute

Either way, the requests are gone, the log file is clean(er) but the
server is still slow and still drops connections.

So, troubleshooting some more. CPU is at 0.8% usage, Memory is 80% free.
Asking my hosting ISP, my bandwidth capacity is at 0.62%

ethtool -S eth0 shows no errors (but a shitload of packets, of course)

Someone suggested that it could have something to do with my using a
wildcard DNS. So, my server hosts some 100+ virtual hosts. All my
clients are told to use a CNAME pointer for their servers. So:

www.client.com -> CNAME -> cluster.mydomain.com -> A -> 123.123.123.123

Which means that every visitor to my sites has their web browser first
look up www.client.com to find cluster.mydomain.com which in turn points
to my IP.

No, the mydomain.com had a wildcard setting, so if and when they would
access "wpad.mydomain.com" my DNS would point that to
cluster.mydomain.com and then that wold point to the IP. So supposedly,
all the request could channel to my server this way.

I have now removed wildcard for mydomain.com, and also added a wpad host
for all my domains that points to 127.0.0.1. I'm waiting to see that
propagate and see if it makes any difference. It hasn't so far.


Do any of you guys have any ideas what this might be? Or rather - how
do I trouble shoot this some more?

I have:

Slow transfer speeds on apache
Super fast on other ports (SFTP for instance)
Thousands of requests per minute that are now being blocked
Super low CPU usage
Super low RAM usage
No reported ethernet errors








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[Richard Kettlewell]

Sandman <m...@sandman.net> writes:
> Ok, so I'll block it. Blocking it in apache seemd stupid, it would still
> process the requests, so to iptables:
>
> iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -m string --to 70 --algo bm \
> --string "GET /wpad.dat" -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset
>
> Yes, I know this analyzes *every* request, and wastes CPU cycles, I may
> get around to chain this into a seperate iptables chain and only act on
> correct parts. In about an hour, this has blocked 45k requests, or about
> 750 per minute

While this will send a TCP reset to the misbehaving client, AIUI it will
not send anything to your Apache, which by this point will have an open
TCP connection and will be awaiting the start of the HTTP request. It
will presumably continue waiting up to some timeout. You should be able
to use netstat to confirm or refute this.

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[Sandman]

In article <87vc68r...@araminta.anjou.terraraq.org.uk>,

Thank you for your reply. I thought "reject" just rejected the request
and nothing came to Apache?

Using /server-status I see a huge difference in active connections, but
I do see a tremendous amount of "Total accesses" which doesn't seem to
correlate to the actual number of "valid" HTTP requests.

Current Time: Friday, 24-May-2013 11:39:38 CEST
Restart Time: Friday, 24-May-2013 11:22:51 CEST
Parent Server Generation: 0
Server uptime: 16 minutes 47 seconds
Total accesses: 14027 - Total Traffic: 144.8 MB
CPU Usage: u124.78 s5.91 cu136.95 cs0 - 26.6% CPU load
13.9 requests/sec - 147.2 kB/second - 10.6 kB/request
29 requests currently being processed, 24 idle workers

...._.KK.KK..........._.._...K._.R..._...K_.._...K......._R..K_.
K_KKKK.._K_KW_WK_K__KK_....K_K_K___K_KK._.......................
................................................................
................................................................


As you can see - almost a thousand accesses per minute. Yet, my child
processes are free to serve new processes.

"netstat -lap" shows about 400 lines of this:

tcp 0 0 www.mydomain.com:www c-83-233-215-17.c:49686 SYN_RECV -
tcp 0 0 www.mydomain.com:www h-5-200.a327.priv:50165 SYN_RECV -
tcp 0 0 www.mydomain.com:www c-62-220-189-209.:50627 SYN_RECV -
tcp 0 0 www.mydomain.com:www 238.77.85.212.bah:58190 SYN_RECV -
tcp 0 0 www.mydomain.com:www c-89-160-22-176.c:57315 SYN_RECV -

So yes, something is still knocking on that door - could this be bogging
down my server?

I have also a number of lines with TIME_WAIT status, suggesting that
some queue is full here... Right?

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[Richard Kettlewell]

Sandman <m...@sandman.net> writes:
> Richard Kettlewell <r...@greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>> Sandman <m...@sandman.net> writes:
>>> Ok, so I'll block it. Blocking it in apache seemd stupid, it would still
>>> process the requests, so to iptables:
>>>
>>> iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -m string --to 70 --algo bm \
>>> --string "GET /wpad.dat" -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset
>>>
>>> Yes, I know this analyzes *every* request, and wastes CPU cycles, I may
>>> get around to chain this into a seperate iptables chain and only act on
>>> correct parts. In about an hour, this has blocked 45k requests, or about
>>> 750 per minute
>>
>> While this will send a TCP reset to the misbehaving client, AIUI it will
>> not send anything to your Apache, which by this point will have an open
>> TCP connection and will be awaiting the start of the HTTP request. It
>> will presumably continue waiting up to some timeout. You should be able
>> to use netstat to confirm or refute this.
>
> Thank you for your reply. I thought "reject" just rejected the request
> and nothing came to Apache?

You’re rejecting a packet that is part of an already-established TCP
connection. iptables cannot go back in time and prevent the TCP
connection from being established in the first place.

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[Sandman]

In article <87ppwgr...@araminta.anjou.terraraq.org.uk>,

Richard Kettlewell <r...@greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> >> While this will send a TCP reset to the misbehaving client, AIUI it will
> >> not send anything to your Apache, which by this point will have an open
> >> TCP connection and will be awaiting the start of the HTTP request. It
> >> will presumably continue waiting up to some timeout. You should be able
> >> to use netstat to confirm or refute this.
> >
> > Thank you for your reply. I thought "reject" just rejected the request
> > and nothing came to Apache?
>
> You’re rejecting a packet that is part of an already-established TCP
> connection. iptables cannot go back in time and prevent the TCP
> connection from being established in the first place.

Yes, like I said - I thought nothing came through to Apache. But looking
at server-status, it seems it does anyway?


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[Richard Kettlewell]

I don’t know how to put it any more clearly; I give up.

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[Sandman]

In article <87k3mor...@araminta.anjou.terraraq.org.uk>,

No, please don't. Maybe I am misunderstanding you? I am not trying to
argue with you.

I thought that rejecting the TCP request in iptables blocked the request
from ever reaching the httpd process. Obviously it isn't blocked from
the *machine*, and I apologize if you thought that was what I meant.

Mind you, I don't get any HTTP requests in Apache, but it does increment
the requests number in a rate faster than the normal requests I see.

You are free to call me stupid and ignorant about iptables/httpd here,
of course, but I would still very much like to solve my problem even so
:)


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[J G Miller]

On Friday, May 24th, 2013, at 12:23:54h +0200, Sandman pondered:

> I thought that rejecting the TCP request in iptables blocked the request
> from ever reaching the httpd process.

You need to re-read the very first reply from R J Kettlwell.

The sequence of events is, you have an open port 80, so
some remote host connects on port 80 to your Apache server
which then is waiting for data on what to do next.

Now you have suggested a rule

iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -m string --to 70 --algo bm \
--string "GET /wpad.dat" -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset

This will reject any packets containing the string "GET /wpad.dat"
but it will not close the already opened connection to apache
and furthermore will not block any packets from the host which do
not contain the string "GET /wpad.dat".

DONT' PANIC

A quick web search reveals that other people have had
this problem and it is probably not a malicious attack
but most probably misbehaving Windoze 7 clients.

Please read the discussion at

<http://forums.freebsd.ORG/showthread.php?t=27668>

which after three pages offers a potential solution to the problem.

[Chris Davies]

In comp.os.linux.networking Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
> In article <87k3mor...@araminta.anjou.terraraq.org.uk>,
> Richard Kettlewell <r...@greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>> >> You're rejecting a packet that is part of an already-established TCP
>> >> connection. iptables cannot go back in time and prevent the TCP
>> >> connection from being established in the first place.
>> >
>> > Yes, like I said - I thought nothing came through to Apache. But
>> > looking at server-status, it seems it does anyway?

> I thought that rejecting the TCP request in iptables blocked the request
> from ever reaching the httpd process. Obviously it isn't blocked from
> the *machine*, and I apologize if you thought that was what I meant.

The TCP sequence goes like this:

1. Remote sends SYN to Webserver
2. Webserver sends SYN/ACK to Remote
3. Remote sends ACK to Webserver
--connection now established--
4. Remote sends "GET / HTTP/1.0 [..etc..]" to Webserver
5. Webserver sends ACK to Remote
6. Webserver sends the HTTP response to Remote
7. Remote sends ACK
8. Connection gets reused (from #4) or closed (FIN - FIN/ACK)

Often #3 and #4 are merged, and potentially #5 and #6 could be, too. Item
#6 might be spread across several packets, in which case the Remote will
send an ACK (#7) for each packet.

Your iptables rule matches #4, but by this stage the Webserver has already
got a connection established from the Remote, and possibly even an Apache
child ready to serve it.

Chris

[Sandman]

In article <clv37ax...@news.roaima.co.uk>,

Chris Davies <chris-...@roaima.co.uk> wrote:

> > I thought that rejecting the TCP request in iptables blocked the request
> > from ever reaching the httpd process. Obviously it isn't blocked from
> > the *machine*, and I apologize if you thought that was what I meant.
>
> The TCP sequence goes like this:
>
> 1. Remote sends SYN to Webserver
> 2. Webserver sends SYN/ACK to Remote
> 3. Remote sends ACK to Webserver
> --connection now established--
> 4. Remote sends "GET / HTTP/1.0 [..etc..]" to Webserver
> 5. Webserver sends ACK to Remote
> 6. Webserver sends the HTTP response to Remote
> 7. Remote sends ACK
> 8. Connection gets reused (from #4) or closed (FIN - FIN/ACK)
>
> Often #3 and #4 are merged, and potentially #5 and #6 could be, too. Item
> #6 might be spread across several packets, in which case the Remote will
> send an ACK (#7) for each packet.
>
> Your iptables rule matches #4, but by this stage the Webserver has already
> got a connection established from the Remote, and possibly even an Apache
> child ready to serve it.

Ok, thank you for the explanation, I had that backwards.

So, where would I start at for finding out who has done a /wpad.dat
request and then add them to a firewall IP block list? Maybe that's the
best route to go?


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[Sandman]

In article <knnhma$50u$4...@dont-email.me>, J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG>
wrote:

Yes, I have seen this thread, and they are talking about wildcard DNS
being the culprit - I have yet to understand how this applies to me?

I mean - I *DO* use wildcard DNS for all domains that I have a DNS for.
The DNS server is on the machine that is currently being flooded on port
80. Ok. So the DNS is "ns1.mydomain.com" (for example).

So, for my clients - whose web pages I host on this machine, I tell
*them* to point their subdomains (I.e. www.client.com) to the domainname
"cluster.mydomain.com" as a CNAME record.

Now, when the visitor types in www.client.com into the web browser,
their DNS says that that resolvs to cluster.mydomain.com - which in turn
has an A record for an IP number. So in the end, they surf to
cluster.mydomain.com asking for www.client.com

This works very good and has for more than a year.

Now, mydomain.com har a wildcard DNS, meaning that
"lkjkljklj.mydomain.com" points to "cluster.mydomain.com" and then to
the IP.

According to that thread, Internet Explorer and/or Windows makes
assumptions about where to look for "wpad.dat", a javascript file that
aims to provide the browser/hte OS info about proxy servers.

So, Windows/IE asks for "http://wpad.client.com:80/wpad.dat" (as far as
I know) and that's where the problem is.

Now, to counter this:

1. I have removed wildcard DNS on mydomain.com
propagation may take a while though

2. I am actively pointing wpad.mydomain.com to
127.0.0.1, also waiting for the TTL there.

3. I am trying to use iptables to block these accesses

The open questions seem to be several, which the forum thread doesn't
seem to have an answer for:

1. Why would thousands of clients per minute all over Sweden ask for
a wpad.dat file on *my* machine? According to the standard, they
should be asking for it on wpad.*client.com*, not wpad.mydomain.com

2. And why the *excessive* amount of traffic. several hundreds of IPS
make up thousands of requests per minute, meaning that one IP makes
several requests often.

3. Blocking these IP-number, would I also be blocking their normal
traffic to the server? Meaning, are these flooding some form of
colleteral traffic from normal surfing?

Thanks for all your replies, guys. This is a huge problem for me right
now...


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[Sandman]

In article <mr-983E88.11...@News.Individual.NET>,

Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:

> I don't actually know if it's an attack.

85.24.167.69 MY_IP - [24/May/2013:14:24:33 +0200] "GET /wpad.dat HTTP/1.1" 200 70 "-" "-"
83.233.16.50 MY_IP - [24/May/2013:14:24:33 +0200] "GET /wpad.dat HTTP/1.1" 200 70 "-" "-"
88.83.39.117 cluster.mydomain.com - [24/May/2013:14:24:34 +0200] "GET /wpad.dat HTTP/1.1" 200 70 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0; Win64; Trident/6.0)"
88.83.39.117 cluster.mydomain.com - [24/May/2013:14:24:34 +0200] "GET /wpad.dat HTTP/1.1" 200 70 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0; Win64; Trident/6.0)"
88.83.39.117 cluster.mydomain.com - [24/May/2013:14:24:34 +0200] "GET /wpad.dat HTTP/1.1" 200 70 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0; Win64; Trident/6.0)"

Above are five sample rows (from thousands) on the server.

The log format I'm using is putting the vhost in the second column, so you see that the two first requests are to my IP, and the second three are to cluster.mydomain.com <- The hostname where my clients point their CNAME subdomains

The ones that access the IP has no agent string (consistently) and the ones that access cluster.mydomain.com does.

I also have these:

46.59.81.183 wpad - [24/May/2013:14:24:34 +0200] "GET /wpad.dat HTTP/1.1" 200 70 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/27.0.1453.94 Safari/537.36"


I.e. accesses to the vhost "wpad", which is odd - becuase that's not the name of a vhost, nor is it a qualified domain name unless you're on a local network (right?) Is that a clue that some network out there thinks I am part of their local network?

And, as you can see - one IP above made three identical requests (which it got a 200 reponse to) three times in one second. I have more lika that with fvive, six or seven conescutive times and so on.


How do I block this?? :)



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[Casper H.S. Dik]

Sandman <m...@sandman.net> writes:

>Yes, I have seen this thread, and they are talking about wildcard DNS
>being the culprit - I have yet to understand how this applies to me?

All systems shipped these days are configured to search for a
automatic proxy configuration from "http://wpad/wpad.dat"

Because of your use of wildcard DNS *everyone* who starts their
webbrowser will find wpad.their.domain then look for it on
your webserver.

Your ip filtering rules block your customers; it also makes their
web experience interesting (it will take some time before the system
figures out that there is no wpad.dat and will then connect to
the internet directly)

>I mean - I *DO* use wildcard DNS for all domains that I have a DNS for.
>The DNS server is on the machine that is currently being flooded on port
>80. Ok. So the DNS is "ns1.mydomain.com" (for example).

Well, you shouldn't have done that.

> 1. Why would thousands of clients per minute all over Sweden ask for
> a wpad.dat file on *my* machine? According to the standard, they
> should be asking for it on wpad.*client.com*, not wpad.mydomain.com

But you're serving their domains too, right?

Casper

[Sandman]

In article <519f6593$0$15954$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,

Casper H.S. Dik <Caspe...@OrSPaMcle.COM> wrote:

> >Yes, I have seen this thread, and they are talking about wildcard DNS
> >being the culprit - I have yet to understand how this applies to me?
>
> All systems shipped these days are configured to search for a
> automatic proxy configuration from "http://wpad/wpad.dat"

All? I thought it was Windows thing.

> Because of your use of wildcard DNS *everyone* who starts their
> webbrowser will find wpad.their.domain then look for it on
> your webserver.

Why? I mean - when they go to wpad.their.domain, why would they end up
with the IP of my server, or the CNAME of cluster.mydomain.com

That's the part I just can't understand.

> Your ip filtering rules block your customers; it also makes their
> web experience interesting (it will take some time before the system
> figures out that there is no wpad.dat and will then connect to
> the internet directly)

But the people surfing to my web server wouldn't be asking my server,
any more than microsoft.com, for information about their own networks
proxy settings, surely?

> >I mean - I *DO* use wildcard DNS for all domains that I have a DNS for.
> >The DNS server is on the machine that is currently being flooded on port
> >80. Ok. So the DNS is "ns1.mydomain.com" (for example).
>
> Well, you shouldn't have done that.

Fair enough, but I still don't know how that messed this up. I just
can't wrap my head around it.

> > 1. Why would thousands of clients per minute all over Sweden ask for
> > a wpad.dat file on *my* machine? According to the standard, they
> > should be asking for it on wpad.*client.com*, not wpad.mydomain.com
>
> But you're serving their domains too, right?

No. Only my own domains. Their IT managers have set up their subdomains
(i.e. www.) to point to cluster.mydomain.com which points to my IP





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[Joe Beanfish]

Wildcard DNS is asking for issues unless you fully understand all the
ramifications. Best not to use it unless you really really need it and
fully understand it.

You have no entry for "wpad" so your wildcard is used. Get people off your
server by creating a wpad entry in your dns that points to a nonexistent
host or a host you want to handle that discovery traffic, even if only
to reject it.

[Richard Kettlewell]

Sandman <m...@sandman.net> writes:
> Casper H.S. Dik <Caspe...@OrSPaMcle.COM> wrote:

>> Because of your use of wildcard DNS *everyone* who starts their
>> webbrowser will find wpad.their.domain then look for it on
>> your webserver.
>
> Why? I mean - when they go to wpad.their.domain, why would they end up
> with the IP of my server, or the CNAME of cluster.mydomain.com
>
> That's the part I just can't understand.

Perhaps quoting some of the domain names involved would clarify matters.

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[Sandman]

In article <knnqit$ib6$1...@dont-email.me>,

Joe Beanfish <joebe...@nospam.duh> wrote:

> >> Well, you shouldn't have done that.
> >
> > Fair enough, but I still don't know how that messed this up. I just
> > can't wrap my head around it.
>
> Wildcard DNS is asking for issues unless you fully understand all the
> ramifications. Best not to use it unless you really really need it and
> fully understand it.

Fair enough.

> You have no entry for "wpad" so your wildcard is used.

Yes, that's how wildcards works - but not only do I not understand why
thousands of hosts from all over the swedish internet would start to
request wpad.* on my server, some of the up to thirty times per second -
per host!

I am also not hosting any of their domains, so why would would they ever
come to me to ask for this?

> Get people off your server by creating a wpad entry in your dns that
> points to a nonexistent host or a host you want to handle that
> discovery traffic, even if only to reject it.

I did that yesterday, didn't change a single thing... :(



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[Sandman]

In article <8761y8q...@araminta.anjou.terraraq.org.uk>,

Richard Kettlewell <r...@greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> >> Because of your use of wildcard DNS *everyone* who starts their
> >> webbrowser will find wpad.their.domain then look for it on
> >> your webserver.
> >
> > Why? I mean - when they go to wpad.their.domain, why would they end up
> > with the IP of my server, or the CNAME of cluster.mydomain.com
> >
> > That's the part I just can't understand.
>
> Perhaps quoting some of the domain names involved would clarify matters.

Yeah, ok.

So a client to me, for example http://www.stadsnat.se has their DNS set
up as such:

> host www.stadsnat.se
www.stadsnat.se is an alias for cluster.atlascms.se.
cluster.atlascms.se has address 94.247.170.170

Now, atlascms.se WAS a wildcard DNS, but isn't any longer.

Even so, the requests I get look largely like this:

94.254.41.78 cluster.atlascms.se - [24/May/2013:16:25:24 +0200] "GET

/wpad.dat HTTP/1.1" 200 70 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0;

Win32; Trident/6.0)"

I.e. a request to that domain name, not to a wpad subdomain. So the
wildcard DNS thing doesn't seem to even apply... Or am I mistaken?



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[Richard Kettlewell]

I agree; I think the wildcard was probably a red herring, and the longer
it gets since you removed it, the more certain that is (although it’s
worth remembering that not all DNS clients honor TTLs correctly).

The request doesn’t seem consistent with the way that wpad searching is
described as working, but of course it may be that there’s more to the
implementation that the various descriptions online imply.

Do you have any idea how many distinct addresses are involved? Are they
in fact _all_ Swedish IP addresses or are any of them from further
afield? Can you tell whether any are associated with any of your
customers (e.g. if you keep logs of where they upload from, do any of
the oddly behaving clients appear there)?

Have you recently annoyed anyone who might have sufficiently poor
judgement to launch a DDoS attack?

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[Casper H.S. Dik]

Sandman <m...@sandman.net> writes:

>> host www.stadsnat.se
>www.stadsnat.se is an alias for cluster.atlascms.se.
>cluster.atlascms.se has address 94.247.170.170

>Now, atlascms.se WAS a wildcard DNS, but isn't any longer.

So when someone looked up wpad.stadsnet.se it was mapped
to cluster.atlascms.se? That, I think, is the root
of your problem.

>Even so, the requests I get look largely like this:

>94.254.41.78 cluster.atlascms.se - [24/May/2013:16:25:24 +0200] "GET
>/wpad.dat HTTP/1.1" 200 70 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0;
>Win32; Trident/6.0)"

>I.e. a request to that domain name, not to a wpad subdomain. So the
>wildcard DNS thing doesn't seem to even apply... Or am I mistaken?

I wouldn't be too sure about that. Note that wpad/wpad.dat is looked
with a different algorithm then ordinary websites because it needs
to sidestep the proxies and such.

Casper

[Sandman]

In article <519f999f$0$15903$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,

Casper H.S. Dik <Caspe...@OrSPaMcle.COM> wrote:

> >> host www.stadsnat.se
> >www.stadsnat.se is an alias for cluster.atlascms.se.
> >cluster.atlascms.se has address 94.247.170.170
>
> >Now, atlascms.se WAS a wildcard DNS, but isn't any longer.
>
> So when someone looked up wpad.stadsnet.se it was mapped
> to cluster.atlascms.se? That, I think, is the root
> of your problem.

No, that's the thing - "stadsnat.se" is not a domain I am
administering. It's one of my clients domains. They wouldn't wildcard
DNS and send ALL requests to me - only web requests (so www would
point to me).

I only know of one client that has wildcard:ed their DNS to me,
actually. Maybe I should tell them to exempt wpad...

> >Even so, the requests I get look largely like this:
>
> >94.254.41.78 cluster.atlascms.se - [24/May/2013:16:25:24 +0200] "GET
> >/wpad.dat HTTP/1.1" 200 70 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0;
> >Win32; Trident/6.0)"
>
> >I.e. a request to that domain name, not to a wpad subdomain. So the
> >wildcard DNS thing doesn't seem to even apply... Or am I mistaken?
>
> I wouldn't be too sure about that. Note that wpad/wpad.dat is looked
> with a different algorithm then ordinary websites because it needs
> to sidestep the proxies and such.

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[Sandman]

In article <87d2sgl...@araminta.anjou.terraraq.org.uk>,

Richard Kettlewell <r...@greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> > Even so, the requests I get look largely like this:
> >
> > 94.254.41.78 cluster.atlascms.se - [24/May/2013:16:25:24 +0200] "GET
> > /wpad.dat HTTP/1.1" 200 70 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.0;
> > Win32; Trident/6.0)"
> >
> > I.e. a request to that domain name, not to a wpad subdomain. So the
> > wildcard DNS thing doesn't seem to even apply... Or am I mistaken?
>
> I agree; I think the wildcard was probably a red herring, and the longer
> it gets since you removed it, the more certain that is (although it’s
> worth remembering that not all DNS clients honor TTLs correctly).

Indeed.

> The request doesn’t seem consistent with the way that wpad searching is
> described as working, but of course it may be that there’s more to the
> implementation that the various descriptions online imply.

Or this seemingly benign request is used to stage a flood attack
against me or my clients. Since google can't find any more serious
attacks, especially not current one (there is that one forum post), I
am starting to wonder why this is.

> Do you have any idea how many distinct addresses are involved?

I now have a cronjob that reads the access_log file for wpad.dat
requests and then add them to a blacklist and to iptables. It has been
in effect for maybe two hours and the list is 4000 IP's long. 4000
seemingly normal swedish IP's from normal swedish ISP's. All
bombarding me with millions of wpad.dat requests.

Some IP's send 30-40 requests per second in a burst.

With 4000 in two hours, I'm guessing that tomorrow morning it will be
over 10000, and then using iptables becomes increasingly stupid.

> Are they in fact _all_ Swedish IP addresses or are any of them from
> further afield?

I have made samples now and then - all have been swedish IP's
according to various online ip -> location functions.

> Can you tell whether any are associated with any of your
> customers (e.g. if you keep logs of where they upload from, do any of
> the oddly behaving clients appear there)?

Even so, I don't have anywhere near to 4000 customers so this can't be
due to one of my clients faulty network either. This seems like a
targeted attack.

> Have you recently annoyed anyone who might have sufficiently poor
> judgement to launch a DDoS attack?

I can think of only one person (from here on usenet) but he's from
America and I doubt he has the ability to muster a botnet of
Swedish-only clients. He has tried to flood me before, but only from a
single IP. So no, I have to answer that I know of no one that could do
this specifically against *me*. Maybe against one of my clients?

Because, if they were targetting me, they would target my homepage
(sandman.net) or some other, these attacks seem to either target the
IP or my cluster domain name - and the cluster domain is not something
used for anything but DNS redirection.



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[J G Miller]

On Friday, May 24th, 2013, at 18:53:39h +0200, Sandman wrote:

> No, that's the thing - "stadsnat.se" is not a domain I am
> administering. It's one of my clients domains. They wouldn't wildcard
> DNS and send ALL requests to me - only web requests (so www would
> point to me).

Did you read this article?

<https://nodpi.ORG/2013/05/09/wpad-the-internet-explorer-security-flaw-that-exposes-all-microsoft-users-in-the-uk/>

According to that article all Microsoft Internet Explorer users in the UKofGB&NI
are being directed by default towards a site run by a Brazilian, which obviously
is not their DNS provider.

QUOTE

Sadly WPAD has some serious flaws. In particular, if DHCP discovery
fails… WPAD reverts to a crude search for a source of configuration
using DNS.

In Windows, this search appears to be governed by the

*DNS suffixes used to resolve unqualified domain names*

(see the Advanced TCP/IP Settings dialog, right).


UNQUOTE

Perhaps you appearing as wpad.yourdomain.se because of the above (and maybe
repeated combinations thereof because of your wild card setup) and so every
MSIE from your clients tries that in its crude attempts to find
the wpad proxy info?

[Richard Kettlewell]

Sandman <m...@sandman.net> writes:
> Richard Kettlewell <r...@greenend.org.uk> wrote:

>> Can you tell whether any are associated with any of your customers
>> (e.g. if you keep logs of where they upload from, do any of the oddly
>> behaving clients appear there)?
>
> Even so, I don't have anywhere near to 4000 customers so this can't be
> due to one of my clients faulty network either. This seems like a
> targeted attack.

I don’t currently have a better theory.

>> Have you recently annoyed anyone who might have sufficiently poor
>> judgement to launch a DDoS attack?
>
> I can think of only one person (from here on usenet) but he's from
> America and I doubt he has the ability to muster a botnet of
> Swedish-only clients. He has tried to flood me before, but only from a
> single IP. So no, I have to answer that I know of no one that could do
> this specifically against *me*. Maybe against one of my clients?
>
> Because, if they were targetting me, they would target my homepage
> (sandman.net) or some other, these attacks seem to either target the
> IP or my cluster domain name - and the cluster domain is not something
> used for anything but DNS redirection.

From what you’ve said (and I may be wrong) it sounds like it could be
targetting your source of income. The ability to run a botnet
personally isn’t necessarily relevant, even if you’re right about that;
botnet operators rent them out.

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[David W. Hodgins]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 12:53:39 -0400, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:

> No, that's the thing - "stadsnat.se" is not a domain I am
> administering. It's one of my clients domains. They wouldn't wildcard
> DNS and send ALL requests to me - only web requests (so www would
> point to me).

If stadsnat.se is an isp, and stadsnat.se is a cname for your system,
and their customers get dhcp addresses of the form ipaddr.stadsnat.se,
then all of their customers will be going to stadsnat.se/yourssystem,
to look for the wpad info.

Workaround would require stadsnat.se to point to one of their own
servers, and have www.stadsnat.se be the cname to your system, with
there server redirecting stadsnat.se to www.stadsnat.se.

By blacklisting the ip addresses, the website for stadsnat.se will
become unreachable by their customers.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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(nomail.afraid.org has been set up specifically for
use in usenet. Feel free to use it yourself.)

[Richard Kettlewell]

"David W. Hodgins" <dwho...@nomail.afraid.org> writes:
> On Fri, 24 May 2013 12:53:39 -0400, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:

>> No, that's the thing - "stadsnat.se" is not a domain I am
>> administering. It's one of my clients domains. They wouldn't wildcard
>> DNS and send ALL requests to me - only web requests (so www would
>> point to me).
>
> If stadsnat.se is an isp, and stadsnat.se is a cname for your system,
> and their customers get dhcp addresses of the form ipaddr.stadsnat.se,
> then all of their customers will be going to stadsnat.se/yourssystem,
> to look for the wpad info.

That wouldn’t explain why the Host: header is cluster.atlascms.se (you
can’t reach that name using rdns, for instance).

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[Richard Kettlewell]

...I wonder if it really is, or if the logfile fragments posted so far
are misleading. Sandman, can you capture an example request off the
wire, e.g. with:

tcpdump -nX port 80 and host <one of the problem IPs>

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[Sandman]

In article <874ndsl...@araminta.anjou.terraraq.org.uk>,

Richard Kettlewell <r...@greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> > I can think of only one person (from here on usenet) but he's from
> > America and I doubt he has the ability to muster a botnet of
> > Swedish-only clients. He has tried to flood me before, but only from a
> > single IP. So no, I have to answer that I know of no one that could do
> > this specifically against *me*. Maybe against one of my clients?
> >
> > Because, if they were targetting me, they would target my homepage
> > (sandman.net) or some other, these attacks seem to either target the
> > IP or my cluster domain name - and the cluster domain is not something
> > used for anything but DNS redirection.
>
> From what you’ve said (and I may be wrong) it sounds like it could be
> targetting your source of income. The ability to run a botnet
> personally isn’t necessarily relevant, even if you’re right about that;
> botnet operators rent them out.

I didn't know that :)

Thanks for your comments, it's a possible scenario I suppose.


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[Sandman]

In article <kno77s$78m$2...@dont-email.me>, J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG>

wrote:

> > No, that's the thing - "stadsnat.se" is not a domain I am
> > administering. It's one of my clients domains. They wouldn't wildcard
> > DNS and send ALL requests to me - only web requests (so www would
> > point to me).
>
> Did you read this article?
>
> <https://nodpi.ORG/2013/05/09/wpad-the-internet-explorer-security-flaw-that-ex
> poses-all-microsoft-users-in-the-uk/>

Not that one specifically, but I have read about the point he is
making.

> According to that article all Microsoft Internet Explorer users in
> the UKofGB&NI are being directed by default towards a site run by a
> Brazilian, which obviously is not their DNS provider.

Which is due to UK citizens usually having a two part top level domain
name. WPAD see's the domain "domain.co.uk" and thinks (correctly, one
might add) that "domain" is a subdomain to "co" which is the local
domain to the top level "uk". Which means that "wpad.co.uk" is a
logical assumption for this function.

This is not relevant to atlascms.se or any of swedish domains, really
(we did have the pp.se domain thing for private person, but that was a
decade ago).

> QUOTE
>
> Sadly WPAD has some serious flaws. In particular, if DHCP discovery
> fails… WPAD reverts to a crude search for a source of configuration
> using DNS.
>
> In Windows, this search appears to be governed by the
>
> *DNS suffixes used to resolve unqualified domain names*
>
> (see the Advanced TCP/IP Settings dialog, right).
>
>
> UNQUOTE
>
> Perhaps you appearing as wpad.yourdomain.se because of the above (and maybe
> repeated combinations thereof because of your wild card setup) and so every
> MSIE from your clients tries that in its crude attempts to find
> the wpad proxy info?

The only one of my clients that have wildcard:ed their domain to me is
opennet.se, I'll have a talk to them. As far as I know, they don't
have almost 5000 users on their LAN though.

because even if what you postulate is a possible scenario, it would
under no circumstances generate hundreds of thousands of requests -
sometimes 30-40 per second from one single host. That's where the
entire "misconfigured DNS" idea falls slightly apart, don't you agree?

I mean, if I came here wondering about these wpad.dat requests I see
now and then, then that would be a logical question. But I get about
20-30 requests per second, every second. That just can't be due to a
misconfigured wildcard DNS.

Or do you think I am jumping to conclusions?



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[Sandman]

In article <op.wxlnuoi...@hodgins.homeip.net>,

"David W. Hodgins" <dwho...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> > No, that's the thing - "stadsnat.se" is not a domain I am
> > administering. It's one of my clients domains. They wouldn't wildcard
> > DNS and send ALL requests to me - only web requests (so www would
> > point to me).
>
> If stadsnat.se is an isp

They aren't actually. The domain is owned by a client of miune, the
citynet of Örebro, a swedish town. They use "www.stadsnat.se" to
promote their citynet. None of my clients are ISP's...

> and stadsnat.se is a cname for your system,

Just to clarify - "stadsnat.se" can never be a CNAME, the top domain
can only be pointed with an A record to an IP number. Their "www"
subdomain is, however, CNAME:d to my "cluster.atlascms.se".

> and their customers get dhcp addresses of the form ipaddr.stadsnat.se,
> then all of their customers will be going to stadsnat.se/yourssystem,
> to look for the wpad info.

Yes, all of what you say is true - if they would have been an ISP

> Workaround would require stadsnat.se to point to one of their own
> servers, and have www.stadsnat.se be the cname to your system, with
> there server redirecting stadsnat.se to www.stadsnat.se.

Which, coincidentally, is exactly how it is set up right now :)

> By blacklisting the ip addresses, the website for stadsnat.se will
> become unreachable by their customers.

Yes, this has been a concern for me. I did some checking, and of all
the hundreds and thousands of IP addresses that are flooding me, I
couldn't find any that was at the same time surfing the apache server
normally.

So, these IP's seem to be normal user IP's and I am actively blocking
almost 5000 of them by now, which must include some that sooner or
later will want to surf one of the many web sites hosted by this
machine.

Blocking them in the firewall is just a measure I'm taking in order to
make my web server responsive again. It's hardly a long-term solution
(where would it stop? 10k? 100k?)




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[Sandman]

In article <871u8wz...@araminta.anjou.terraraq.org.uk>,

Certainly. I'll readily admit to not being sure whether this tells me
anything or not. It appears to be a normal (?) ACK, followed by the
HTTP request, with the host set to the IP number of the machine. and
then followed by my machine giving them the wpad.dat file as I have
set it up currently.

21:27:29.055469 IP 83.172.125.62.65391 > 94.247.170.170.80: Flags [.],
ack 1545, win 16232, length 0
0x0000: 4500 0028 2866 4000 7606 01de 53ac 7d3e E..((f@.v...S.}>
0x0010: 5ef7 aaaa ff6f 0050 5c93 2f59 a06e 3313 ^....o.P\./Y.n3.
0x0020: 5010 3f68 36b2 0000 0000 0000 0000 P.?h6.........
21:27:29.905887 IP 83.172.125.62.65087 > 94.247.170.170.80: Flags
[P.], seq 340:425, ack 1545, win 16328, length 85
0x0000: 4500 007d 2877 4000 7606 0178 53ac 7d3e E..}(w@.v..xS.}>
0x0010: 5ef7 aaaa fe3f 0050 9103 ca53 e213 d0bc ^....?.P...S....
0x0020: 5018 3fc8 e032 0000 4745 5420 2f77 7061 P.?..2..GET./wpa
0x0030: 642e 6461 7420 4854 5450 2f31 2e31 0d0a d.dat.HTTP/1.1..
0x0040: 436f 6e6e 6563 7469 6f6e 3a20 4b65 6570 Connection:.Keep
0x0050: 2d41 6c69 7665 0d0a 4163 6365 7074 3a20 -Alive..Accept:.
0x0060: 2a2f 2a0d 0a48 6f73 743a 2039 342e 3234 */*..Host:.94.24
0x0070: 372e 3137 302e 3137 300d 0a0d 0a 7.170.170....
21:27:29.906203 IP 94.247.170.170.80 > 83.172.125.62.65087: Flags
[P.], seq 1545:1931, ack 425, win 63, length 386
0x0000: 4500 01aa c4f4 4000 4006 99cd 5ef7 aaaa E.....@.@...^...
0x0010: 53ac 7d3e 0050 fe3f e213 d0bc 9103 caa8 S.}>.P.?........
0x0020: 5018 003f dc28 0000 4854 5450 2f31 2e31 P..?.(..HTTP/1.1
0x0030: 2032 3030 204f 4b0d 0a44 6174 653a 2046 .200.OK..Date:.F
0x0040: 7269 2c20 3234 204d 6179 2032 3031 3320 ri,.24.May.2013.
0x0050: 3139 3a32 373a 3239 2047 4d54 0d0a 5365 19:27:29.GMT..Se
0x0060: 7276 6572 3a20 4170 6163 6865 2f32 2e32 rver:.Apache/2.2
0x0070: 2e31 3620 2844 6562 6961 6e29 0d0a 4c61 .16.(Debian)..La
0x0080: 7374 2d4d 6f64 6966 6965 643a 2054 6875 st-Modified:.Thu
0x0090: 2c20 3233 204d 6179 2032 3031 3320 3231 ,.23.May.2013.21
0x00a0: 3a34 313a 3037 2047 4d54 0d0a 4554 6167 :41:07.GMT..ETag
0x00b0: 3a20 2233 3135 3430 3039 2d34 362d 3464 :."3154009-46-4d
0x00c0: 6436 3938 6133 3665 3263 3022 0d0a 4163 d698a36e2c0"..Ac
0x00d0: 6365 7074 2d52 616e 6765 733a 2062 7974 cept-Ranges:.byt
0x00e0: 6573 0d0a 436f 6e74 656e 742d 4c65 6e67 es..Content-Leng
0x00f0: 7468 3a20 3730 0d0a 4b65 6570 2d41 6c69 th:.70..Keep-Ali
0x0100: 7665 3a20 7469 6d65 6f75 743d 3135 2c20 ve:.timeout=15,.
0x0110: 6d61 783d 3335 380d 0a43 6f6e 6e65 6374 max=358..Connect
0x0120: 696f 6e3a 204b 6565 702d 416c 6976 650d ion:.Keep-Alive.
0x0130: 0a43 6f6e 7465 6e74 2d54 7970 653a 2061 .Content-Type:.a
0x0140: 7070 6c69 6361 7469 6f6e 2f78 2d6e 732d pplication/x-ns-
0x0150: 7072 6f78 792d 6175 746f 636f 6e66 6967 proxy-autoconfig
0x0160: 0d0a 0d0a 6675 6e63 7469 6f6e 2046 696e ....function.Fin
0x0170: 6450 726f 7879 466f 7255 524c 2875 726c dProxyForURL(url
0x0180: 2c20 686f 7374 2920 7b20 7265 7475 726e ,.host).{.return
0x0190: 2022 5052 4f58 5920 3132 372e 302e 302e ."PROXY.127.0.0.
0x01a0: 313a 3434 3522 3b20 7d0a 1:445";.}.




And here is the request from a host I specifically looked where
logging as the "cluster.atlascms.se" vhost:

1:30:59.331074 IP 85.24.180.196.60901 > 94.247.170.170.80: Flags [P.],
seq 2476116866:2476116951, ack 4035600534, win 16425, length 85
0x0000: 4500 007d 05e3 4000 7806 e919 5518 b4c4 E..}..@.x...U...
0x0010: 5ef7 aaaa ede5 0050 9396 8b82 f08a 6096 ^......P......`.
0x0020: 5018 4029 5527 0000 4745 5420 2f77 7061 P.@)U'..GET./wpa
0x0030: 642e 6461 7420 4854 5450 2f31 2e31 0d0a d.dat.HTTP/1.1..
0x0040: 436f 6e6e 6563 7469 6f6e 3a20 4b65 6570 Connection:.Keep
0x0050: 2d41 6c69 7665 0d0a 4163 6365 7074 3a20 -Alive..Accept:.
0x0060: 2a2f 2a0d 0a48 6f73 743a 2039 342e 3234 */*..Host:.94.24
0x0070: 372e 3137 302e 3137 300d 0a0d 0a 7.170.170....

As you can see, it also requests the IP as host.

I hope this shows what you wanted to see.


I wanted to thank everyone that has participated, all comments and
theories have been very welcome!
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[Chris Davies]

In comp.os.linux.networking Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:

> So, where would I start at for finding out who has done a /wpad.dat
> request and then add them to a firewall IP block list? Maybe that's
> the best route to go?

It should be in your webserver log. Here's an example from mine:

192.168.130.16 - - [24/May/2013:23:40:02 +0100] "GET /proxy.pac HTTP/1.1" 200 1485 "-" "-"

and here's the log definition line for this vHost:

CustomLog "|/usr/bin/cronolog /home/www/wpad/logs/%Y/%m/%d/public-access.log" combined

If you're going to block by firewall rule I'd suggest you take a close
look at fail2ban, which dos this kind of process very well indeed.

For comparison, I've had over 4000 hits in my access log today. And this
is from a fairly lightly loaded network with just a few PCs and
servers. Windows 7 appears to be *very* noisy indeed (I think I might
need to investigate the document expiry time to see if I can persuade
W7 to cache the answer a little more often).

Chris

[Richard Kettlewell]

Sandman <m...@sandman.net> writes:
[...]

> As you can see, it also requests the IP as host.

That’s consistent with the IE6 behavior (as described by Wikipedia)
which might have been copied by other software. Unfortunately, that
means we still don’t know for sure what hostname the client thought it
was connecting to.

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[Richard Kettlewell]

Sandman <m...@sandman.net> writes:
> The only one of my clients that have wildcard:ed their domain to me is
> opennet.se, I'll have a talk to them. As far as I know, they don't
> have almost 5000 users on their LAN though.

$ host wpad.opennet.se
wpad.opennet.se is an alias for cluster.atlascms.se.
cluster.atlascms.se has address 94.247.170.170

Looks like a smoking gun to me...

> because even if what you postulate is a possible scenario, it would
> under no circumstances generate hundreds of thousands of requests -
> sometimes 30-40 per second from one single host. That's where the
> entire "misconfigured DNS" idea falls slightly apart, don't you agree?
>
> I mean, if I came here wondering about these wpad.dat requests I see
> now and then, then that would be a logical question. But I get about
> 20-30 requests per second, every second. That just can't be due to a
> misconfigured wildcard DNS.
>
> Or do you think I am jumping to conclusions?

More then one thing can be broken at once. In this case, the easiest
thing to do is to stop wpad.opennet.se pointing at you. If that fixes
it, then it’s time to speculate about why so many IP clients were
involved. If it doesn’t, move on to the next theory. Checking for a
‘wpad’ subdomain for each of your customer domains would seem like the
logical next step.

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[Sandman]

In article <87ehcvq...@araminta.anjou.terraraq.org.uk>,

Richard Kettlewell <r...@greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> > The only one of my clients that have wildcard:ed their domain to me is
> > opennet.se, I'll have a talk to them. As far as I know, they don't
> > have almost 5000 users on their LAN though.
>
> $ host wpad.opennet.se
> wpad.opennet.se is an alias for cluster.atlascms.se.
> cluster.atlascms.se has address 94.247.170.170
>
> Looks like a smoking gun to me...

Yes, but they are still no ISP, and all requests comes from swedish
ISP's (like bahnhof.se, bredband2.se and such) and wpad.bahnhof.se
doesn't point to me.

> > because even if what you postulate is a possible scenario, it would
> > under no circumstances generate hundreds of thousands of requests -
> > sometimes 30-40 per second from one single host. That's where the
> > entire "misconfigured DNS" idea falls slightly apart, don't you agree?
> >
> > I mean, if I came here wondering about these wpad.dat requests I see
> > now and then, then that would be a logical question. But I get about
> > 20-30 requests per second, every second. That just can't be due to a
> > misconfigured wildcard DNS.
> >
> > Or do you think I am jumping to conclusions?
>
> More then one thing can be broken at once. In this case, the easiest
> thing to do is to stop wpad.opennet.se pointing at you. If that fixes
> it, then it’s time to speculate about why so many IP clients were
> involved. If it doesn’t, move on to the next theory. Checking for a
> ‘wpad’ subdomain for each of your customer domains would seem like the
> logical next step.

Yes, I have found none. I keep blocking them (over night, they didn't
grow to more than about 5000 actually, I'm at 5163 right now)


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[Sandman]

In article <87ehcvq...@araminta.anjou.terraraq.org.uk>,

Richard Kettlewell <r...@greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> Sandman <m...@sandman.net> writes:
> > The only one of my clients that have wildcard:ed their domain to me is
> > opennet.se, I'll have a talk to them. As far as I know, they don't
> > have almost 5000 users on their LAN though.
>
> $ host wpad.opennet.se
> wpad.opennet.se is an alias for cluster.atlascms.se.
> cluster.atlascms.se has address 94.247.170.170
>
> Looks like a smoking gun to me...

Like I said in an earlier reply, Opennet is not an ISP they are a
communication operator, which means they own citynets, so they don't
have end customers on their opennet.se host.

But looking at the domain names of all the hosts that I am currently
blocking (5000+), there are some references to opennet, like
<random>.opennet.bredband2.se" or "<random>.karlstad.bredband2.se" anD
Karlstad is a Opennet city.

So yes, this may very well be a smoking gun as you say.


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[Whiskers]

On 2013-05-24, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
> In article <519f999f$0$15903$e4fe...@news2.news.xs4all.nl>,
> Casper H.S. Dik <Caspe...@OrSPaMcle.COM> wrote:
>
>> >> host www.stadsnat.se
>> >www.stadsnat.se is an alias for cluster.atlascms.se.
>> >cluster.atlascms.se has address 94.247.170.170
>>
>> >Now, atlascms.se WAS a wildcard DNS, but isn't any longer.
>>
>> So when someone looked up wpad.stadsnet.se it was mapped
>> to cluster.atlascms.se? That, I think, is the root
>> of your problem.
>
> No, that's the thing - "stadsnat.se" is not a domain I am
> administering. It's one of my clients domains. They wouldn't wildcard
> DNS and send ALL requests to me - only web requests (so www would
> point to me).

> actually. Maybe I should tell them to exempt wpad...

[...]

But

$ host stadsnet.se
stadsnet.se has address 46.30.211.54
stadsnet.se mail is handled by 10 mx-cluster-a1.one.com.
stadsnet.se mail is handled by 10 mx-cluster-a2.one.com.

$ host wpad.stadsnet.se
wpad.stadsnet.se has address 46.30.211.54

$ host qwerty.stadsnet.se
qwerty.stadsnet.se has address 46.30.211.54

... looks like a wildcard setting somewhere, to me.

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[Roger]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 15:52:32 +0100, Whiskers
<catwh...@operamail.com> wrote:

>>> >> host www.stadsnat.se

>$ host stadsnet.se

It's stadsnAt.se, not stadsnEt.se.
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[J G Miller]

On Saturday, May 25th, 2013, at 17:19:26h +0100, Roger explained:

> It's stadsnAt.se, not stadsnEt.se.

So maybe Mr Sandman should, just to be certain,
check his DNS setup does not have a typographical
error of net rather than nat in his configuration files?

find with a grep --color would do the job ...

[Sandman]

In article <slrnkq1k1g.5...@ID-107770.user.individual.net>,

Only, you accidentally looked up "stadsnet" instead of "stadsnat" :)

> host stadsnat.se
stadsnat.se has address 94.247.170.170

That's my IP

> host www.stadsnat.se
www.stadsnat.se is an alias for cluster.atlascms.se.
cluster.atlascms.se has address 94.247.170.170

> host wpad.stadsnat.se
Host wpad.stadsnat.se not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)


And again - stadsnat.se is NOT an ISP.






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[Casper H.S. Dik]

Richard Kettlewell <r...@greenend.org.uk> writes:

>More then one thing can be broken at once. In this case, the easiest
>thing to do is to stop wpad.opennet.se pointing at you. If that fixes
>it, then it’s time to speculate about why so many IP clients were
>involved. If it doesn’t, move on to the next theory. Checking for a
>‘wpad’ subdomain for each of your customer domains would seem like the
>logical next step.

Right; by filtering wpad queries from all these clients also is a
denial of service attack on all those clients, especially if you
drop the packet but don't give them an answer.

Casper