My top three bugs in Ubuntu
Ignoramus877
known and not much is being done to address it.
1. PulseAudio is broken and presents various troubles that are not
easy to fix.
I mean, come on, a computer should be able to make sounds reliably,
that's not really a very unusual functionality.
2 and 3. (may be related). Fast user switching is highly unreliable,
leads to system crashes, lock ups, log on loops etc. Consolekit is a
buggy POS that crashes often and possibly messes up fast user
switching.
Most of my PCs at home are multiuser machines that are used by many
users who keep logged on sessions.
All of these bugs are near showstoppers as far as I am concerned.
I would like to know if they are fixed in Jaunty.
I am also going to give up on my last 64 bit install as the bugs
really make it a very unworthy experience. I am going back to 32 bit
100%.
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> All three are highly annoying to me as a consumer. They have been long
> known and not much is being done to address it.
>
> 1. PulseAudio is broken and presents various troubles that are not
> easy to fix.
>
> I mean, come on, a computer should be able to make sounds reliably,
> that's not really a very unusual functionality.
>
> 2 and 3. (may be related). Fast user switching is highly unreliable,
> leads to system crashes, lock ups, log on loops etc. Consolekit is a
> buggy POS that crashes often and possibly messes up fast user
> switching.
>
> Most of my PCs at home are multiuser machines that are used by many
> users who keep logged on sessions.
>
> All of these bugs are near showstoppers as far as I am concerned.
>
> I would like to know if they are fixed in Jaunty.
>
> I am also going to give up on my last 64 bit install as the bugs
> really make it a very unworthy experience. I am going back to 32 bit
> 100%.
>
speed.
The "Free" in Free software means that you have to do some work to get
it configured for your systems. Maybe you're not ready for 64 bits or
64 bits is not ready for you.
Be sure to ask for your money back.
Ignoramus877
I have used Linux since 1995. I simply have high standards.
Robert Heller
Then maybe you need to consider a different distro. CentOS for example.
Yes, it is 'conservitive' and ships with 'older' package versions. This
means it is stable and rock solid and does not suffer from the problems
that commonly plague 'bleeding edge' distros. RedHat does provide back
port patches to kernels for security updates and driver updates, so even
though the base kernel version might be 'old', it is up-to-date WRT
security issues and drivers.
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>
> I have used Linux since 1995. I simply have high standards.
>
I've only used Ubuntu when dealing with client servers, so I can't offer
help with specifics, if they are indeed due to Ubuntu from the
desktop/media related aspects, but I've not seen the issue in other
dists I use personally (such as RHEL and CentOS). Perhaps you'll find
the easy answers for this install you have by looking around and giving
it a bit more time.
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Ignoramus877
I think that I will wait a couple of months for Jaunty, and will
seriously consider CentOS if Jaunty continues to be plagued by bugs.
How well does Centos support sound and multiuser capabilities (I mean
multiple users logged into X).
i
Roland Latour
> All three are highly annoying to me as a consumer. They have been long
> known and not much is being done to address it.
These are all related to 8.10. I prefer stability, that's why I stayed
with 8.04 LTS. I plan to upgrade when the next LTS release comes out
(9.10? 10.4?). I am in no hurry.
Perhaps you should do the same. Avoid the bleeding edge.
Ignoramus877
I would like to respectfully disagree, that was stuff was broken in
Hardy also.
Hardy server edition is awesome and very stable. I am very satisfied
and we use it at work for some important stuff, dozens of servers.
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And low intelligence, by the sound of it.
All that stuff works fine for me.
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Ignoramus877
You live alone, right? (by the sound of it)
If so, then you simply could not have experienced those multiuser
problems. They happen when several users are logged on.
Dan C
>>> I have used Linux since 1995. I simply have high standards.
>> And low intelligence, by the sound of it.
>> All that stuff works fine for me.
> You live alone, right? (by the sound of it)
No.
> If so, then you simply could not have experienced those multiuser
> problems. They happen when several users are logged on.
You mean I can't log into my 8 different computers with 24 different
names? You mean the computers will know that they are all really me?
Jesus, you're a dumb fuck.
Mark
>All three are highly annoying to me as a consumer. They have been long
>known and not much is being done to address it.
>
>1. PulseAudio is broken and presents various troubles that are not
>easy to fix.
>
>I mean, come on, a computer should be able to make sounds reliably,
>that's not really a very unusual functionality.
>
>2 and 3. (may be related). Fast user switching is highly unreliable,
>leads to system crashes, lock ups, log on loops etc. Consolekit is a
>buggy POS that crashes often and possibly messes up fast user
>switching.
>
>Most of my PCs at home are multiuser machines that are used by many
>users who keep logged on sessions.
>
>All of these bugs are near showstoppers as far as I am concerned.
>
>I would like to know if they are fixed in Jaunty.
>
>I am also going to give up on my last 64 bit install as the bugs
>really make it a very unworthy experience. I am going back to 32 bit
>100%.
There's only one bug in Ubuntu (Hardy) that really bothers me and it's
a real pain. If I have my USB wireless network adaptor connected &
online and I connect any other USB device it causes the whole OS to
partially lock up. I have posted on the forums but never had a
solution.
If the wirless adaptor is disconnected or connected with the wireless
network disabled then the problem does not occur.
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> I think that I will wait a couple of months for Jaunty, and will
> seriously consider CentOS if Jaunty continues to be plagued by bugs.
I think you're going about it the wrong way.
A new version of a distro to get away from bugs?
Why not just stick with Hardy? The whole point of hardy is that it's LTS.
Effectively, new patches will come out to fix bugs, but it won't be bleeding
edge. Going for the newest latest greatest version will just introduce new
and different bugs.
Hardy is LTS (long term support), meaning even when whatever L stands for
comes out, it'll still be getting fixes. Making it increasingly rock solid.
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philo
> On 2009-03-10, Roland Latour <rolandl-at-ca...@nowhere.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:39:37 -0500, Ignoramus877 wrote:
>>
>>> All three are highly annoying to me as a consumer. They have been long
>>> known and not much is being done to address it.
>> These are all related to 8.10. I prefer stability, that's why I stayed
>> with 8.04 LTS. I plan to upgrade when the next LTS release comes out
>> (9.10? 10.4?). I am in no hurry.
>>
>> Perhaps you should do the same. Avoid the bleeding edge.
>
> I would like to respectfully disagree, that was stuff was broken in
> Hardy also.
>
> Hardy server edition is awesome and very stable. I am very satisfied
> and we use it at work for some important stuff, dozens of servers.
>
I've tried Ubuntu but not recently...
I was completely puzzled as to why it is so popular...
There were a number of problems with it.
Recently I upgraded my H/W... so I downloaded a number of distros and
did a two week evaluation
SuSe 11
Slackware 12.2
Mandriva 2009
Debian (Lenny)
Fedora 10
Though I went with Fedora as it has worked flawlessly in all respects...
Debian was also *excellent*
Mandriva was good but had a bug in the updater.
SuSe I'd just rate as "OK"
and much to my surprise, the newest version of Slackware
did not merit the superior ratings I've given it in the past.
As one who has been at least a part-time Linux user for 9 years...
I must say I am quite impressed by Fedora!
(Oh, btw: I also did a test installation of Vista... what a horribly
sick joke that is.)
Robert Heller
All I know about CentOS and sound is that the stock kernels (for 4) don't
support ISA sound cards out-of-the-box. It sounds like this is not a
problem for you, since you are not dealing with really old systems (like
a Toshiba P133 laptop). If you mean xdm and remote X11 access, I know
that WhiteBox 3.0 handled this just fine (WBL 3.0 == CentOS 3.0 == RHEL
3.0).
>
> i
Ignoramus26567
>
>>>> I have used Linux since 1995. I simply have high standards.
>
>>> And low intelligence, by the sound of it.
>>> All that stuff works fine for me.
>
>> You live alone, right? (by the sound of it)
>
> No.
>
>> If so, then you simply could not have experienced those multiuser
>> problems. They happen when several users are logged on.
>
> You mean I can't log into my 8 different computers with 24 different
> names? You mean the computers will know that they are all really me?
>
> Jesus, you're a dumb fuck.
>
What I experience, is that there are sound problems when switching
users, or switching users outright does not work. By "user switching"
I mean switching between active display sessions.
Robert Heller
>
> On 2009-03-10, Dan C <youmust...@lan.invalid> wrote:
> > On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:14:07 -0500, Ignoramus877 wrote:
> >
> >>>> I have used Linux since 1995. I simply have high standards.
> >
> >>> And low intelligence, by the sound of it.
> >>> All that stuff works fine for me.
> >
> >> You live alone, right? (by the sound of it)
> >
> > No.
> >
> >> If so, then you simply could not have experienced those multiuser
> >> problems. They happen when several users are logged on.
> >
> > You mean I can't log into my 8 different computers with 24 different
> > names? You mean the computers will know that they are all really me?
> >
> > Jesus, you're a dumb fuck.
> >
>
> What I experience, is that there are sound problems when switching
> users, or switching users outright does not work. By "user switching"
> I mean switching between active display sessions.
Do you mean switching between virtual terminals (eg Ctrl-Alt-F7/8/9/...)
or do you mean something else?
If the former, it seems to be OK (in a strange sort of way). I have an
IBM Thinkpad X31 running CentOS 4.7. I right now just logged in a
*second* X session and have mplayer (I use it as a video/audio player)
running on both and both are playing music (different songs at the same
time). Switching back and forth causes no undue problems. Just mildly
anoying since Greg Khin playing Jepardy and The Stones playing 19th
Nervious Breakdown *at the same time* is weird.
Florian Diesch
> The "Free" in Free software means that you have to do some work to get
> it configured for your systems.
Bullshit.
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Dragomir Kollaric
> On 2009-03-10, Roland Latour <rolandl-at-ca...@nowhere.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:39:37 -0500, Ignoramus877 wrote:
>
> I would like to respectfully disagree, that was stuff was broken in
> Hardy also.
>
> Hardy server edition is awesome and very stable. I am very satisfied
> and we use it at work for some important stuff, dozens of servers.
I'm running the "Studio" Version of the 64bit 8.04.2 and I
don't have any problems relating to sound at all. The
sound-card is a onboard beast, but still working.
**** Liste von PLAYBACK Geräten ****
Karte 1: default [PnP Audio Device ], Gerät 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
Untergeordnete Geräte: 0/1
Untergeordnetes Gerät '0: subdevice #0
>
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Rahul
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> As one who has been at least a part-time Linux user for 9 years...
> I must say I am quite impressed by Fedora!
>
>
Fedora, RHEL and Centos have been pretty good for me. RHEL and Centos
sometimes suck because they never seem to have the latest versions of
auxillary packages if you want the cutting edge features.
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philo
Well I am a bit partial to Red Hat and it's derivatives as I started out
with Red Hat 5.2
That was a very good education process!
Of course, through the years I've used most of the main distros out
there...but in the end came back to where I had started.
Except for one applet that I added but did not need,
all the packaged software that came with the distribution
or that which I added later has been bug free.
Between the high quality of Fedora, Debian et al
and the fiasco called Vista...
there is no question in my mind that Linux has now arrived in a serious way.
I have spent way too much time over the past few weeks doing evaluations
and will probably not try Centos at this time...
but will keep it in mind for the future
Vitorio Okio
> leads to system crashes, lock ups, log on loops etc.
I do not know about your #1 (never had such trouble) but at least #2 is
not an Ubuntu bug for sure.
I experienced exactly the same problems with Fast User Switch in my Hardy
until I stopped using fglrx driver with my ATI Radeon 9550 card.
Since I switched to Open Source ATI driver and properly configured it I
never had any problems with Fast User Swithced. And I do use it very
extensively close to a year for now. No single crash since then!
So, my advise to you is to take a closer look at your video card
configuration.
And BTW, if you use ATI card the Open Source driver is really good now.
Using for a long time it I keep wondering why people bother with glrx
driver at all.
Keith Keller
On 2009-03-10, philo <ph...@privacy.net> wrote:
> Rahul wrote:
>>
>> Fedora, RHEL and Centos have been pretty good for me. RHEL and Centos
>> sometimes suck because they never seem to have the latest versions of
>> auxillary packages if you want the cutting edge features.
RHEL and CentOS are specifically designed to have the latest well-tested
stable versions of software, not the latest release that came out 12
hours ago. That doesn't make them suck.
> Well I am a bit partial to Red Hat and it's derivatives as I started out
> with Red Hat 5.2
> That was a very good education process!
[snip]
> I have spent way too much time over the past few weeks doing evaluations
> and will probably not try Centos at this time...
> but will keep it in mind for the future
Also keep in mind that CentOS is simply a clone of RHEL, with all of
RedHat's proprietary data stripped. See e.g.
http://centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=3
And Fedora is simply RedHat's testbed; you might consider it an alpha or
beta version of RHEL (though there's no guarantee that everything in
Fedora will make a release of RHEL). So they're all fundamentally
RedHat under the hood.
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> All three are highly annoying to me as a consumer. They have been long
> known and not much is being done to address it.
>
> 1. PulseAudio is broken and presents various troubles that are not
> easy to fix.
I have taken to compiling the latest stable version of Alsa to comat
that. The older versions packaged with Ubuntu seem to be pretty
limited.
> I mean, come on, a computer should be able to make sounds reliably,
> that's not really a very unusual functionality.
I agree
> 2 and 3. (may be related). Fast user switching is highly unreliable,
> leads to system crashes, lock ups, log on loops etc. Consolekit is a
> buggy POS that crashes often and possibly messes up fast user
> switching.
I've never experience that at all on plenty of different hardware
installs. Could it be related to a specific hardware issue? It sounds
like it is.
> Most of my PCs at home are multiuser machines that are used by many
> users who keep logged on sessions.
>
> All of these bugs are near showstoppers as far as I am concerned.
>
> I would like to know if they are fixed in Jaunty.
No Idea. I always compile the latest Alsa and have never once had an
issue with fast user switch.
> I am also going to give up on my last 64 bit install as the bugs
> really make it a very unworthy experience. I am going back to 32 bit
> 100%.
Didn't you already do that? I seem to recall having a discussion with
you on installing a PAE enabled kernel to fully benefit from your over
3gb of RAM.
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all I can say is that if Fedora is an Alpha or Beta version for
RH/Centos , the it's one hell of a good Alpha or Beta.