Looking for a 17-inch monitor. Any suggestions?
Bryan Ericson
Hi
I guess the subject says it all. I've looked at the MAG DX1795, and it
seems pretty good for the price (about $650). The Sony trinitron monitors
are gorgeous, but their price is higher than most others. Is the price
worth it?
Basically, can anyone give me a recommendation?
Thanks,
Bry
cg...@bgu.edu
Dean Schulze
Bryan Ericson wrote:
> I've looked at the MAG DX1795, and it
> seems pretty good for the price (about $650). The Sony trinitron monitors
> are gorgeous, but their price is higher than most others. Is the price
> worth it?
I've got a MAG DX17 (can't remember anymore of the
model number), and it is borderline unacceptable for
running X-windows. The problem is that it will not run
1280 x 1024 at any faster than 60 Hz, and the flicker is
slightly noticeable at that frequency.
If you want to run X I would recommend that you get a
17" monitor that can do 72Hz or better at 1280 x 1024.
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Henry Cross
Bryan Ericson wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I guess the subject says it all. I've looked at the MAG DX1795, and it
> seems pretty good for the price (about $650). The Sony trinitron monitors
> are gorgeous, but their price is higher than most others. Is the price
> worth it?
>
Personally I'd only buy NEC or Sony, but if price is an issue the MAG is ok.
(I think the Sony may have a bigger viewable screen then the NEC)
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Bryan Ericson wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I guess the subject says it all. I've looked at the MAG DX1795, and it
> seems pretty good for the price (about $650). The Sony trinitron monitors
> are gorgeous, but their price is higher than most others. Is the price
> worth it?
>
> Basically, can anyone give me a recommendation?
>
> Thanks,
> Bry
> cg...@bgu.edu
You should also have a look at the MAG MXP17F which I saw for 670$
and the Viewsonic 17PS. They both can do 1600x1280 and thus are
able to run at 1280x1024 with a reasonable frequency.
Thien
Mark Levitt
On Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:45:01 -0500, cg...@bgu.edu wrote:
>Hi
>
>I guess the subject says it all. I've looked at the MAG DX1795, and it
>seems pretty good for the price (about $650). The Sony trinitron monitors
>are gorgeous, but their price is higher than most others. Is the price
>worth it?
>
>Basically, can anyone give me a recommendation?
>
iiyama Vision Master 17. It's gourgous, it's $730, and it'll do 1024x768
@ 80Hz and higher. I think max res. is 1600x1200. .26 dot pitch.
Had three different Sony 15", all had geometry and/or other display
problems. Same with NEC.
Other ones you might look at are Nokkia and Nanao, however, they tend to
be more expensive.
My advive is, stay away from the mass market monitors. Pick up a copy of
computer shopper and look at the adds from places like Cad and Graphics, CAD
Warehouse, etc to see what monitors they sell and check those out.
Incidently, Midwest Computer Works had the best price on this monitor and
were very good to me...
Finally, I don't know how picky you are, but for me, finding a monitor was
a LONG process and I got and returned a lot. I hope your lucky enough to
live in a city with a place you can go look at them.
Good luck.
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Mark Levitt wrote:
>
> On Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:45:01 -0500, cg...@bgu.edu wrote:
> >Hi
> >
> >I guess the subject says it all. I've looked at the MAG DX1795, and it
> >seems pretty good for the price (about $650). The Sony trinitron monitors
> >are gorgeous, but their price is higher than most others. Is the price
> >worth it?
> >
YES!
> >Basically, can anyone give me a recommendation?
> >
>
> iiyama Vision Master 17. It's gourgous, it's $730, and it'll do 1024x768
> @ 80Hz and higher. I think max res. is 1600x1200. .26 dot pitch.
>
> Had three different Sony 15", all had geometry and/or other display
> problems. Same with NEC.
>
I'm using the Vision Master at work and the Sony 17se at home. Its
definitly a difference. With same configuration (1024x748 @ 76Hz),
light areas flicker visibly on the iiyama monitor but don`t on the
Sony.
Bye.
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Bas Ven
Bryan Ericson wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I guess the subject says it all. I've looked at the MAG DX1795, and it
> seems pretty good for the price (about $650). The Sony trinitron monitors
> are gorgeous, but their price is higher than most others. Is the price
> worth it?
>
>
> Bry
> cg...@bgu.edu
Maybe you can get some recommendations from
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video.
I myself have a Iiyama 8617T which is absolutely fantastic. But
I guess everyone has his/her own preferences.
Bas
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Henry Cross <hcr...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>Personally I'd only buy NEC or Sony, but if price is an issue the MAG is ok.
>(I think the Sony may have a bigger viewable screen then the NEC)
Yes, I have found NEC and Sony tend to be pricey. I have MAG MXE17S
at home running at the resolution of 1024x768. It's very sharp. The
only thing is that MAG in U.S. doesn't carry this model. The
equivalent seems to be DX17T.
Pete
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Michael Meissner
| Hi
|
| I guess the subject says it all. I've looked at the MAG DX1795, and it
| seems pretty good for the price (about $650). The Sony trinitron monitors
| are gorgeous, but their price is higher than most others. Is the price
| worth it?
|
| Basically, can anyone give me a recommendation?
I've used three 17" monitors in the last two years (with #9 GXE pro VRAM cards
with 2 meg memory):
1) Nokia 477X -- this is my current monitor for my work system (its a
trinitron). So far this monitor has had no problems (but I've only had
it for 2-3 months now). It is exceptionally clear, and can be pushed
to higher refresh rates than the other monitors. It is clear at
1280x1024, 1152x854, and 1024x768, though I tend to run it at 1024x768
since the higer resolutions are a mite too small for day in and day out
work for me. Like all 17" trinitrons, it has 2 horizontal lines barely
visable when you use light backgrounds.
2) ViewSonic 17G -- this was my original monitor for my work system.
After about a year of use it was subject to intermitent blue flashes,
which would come on every so often, and then go away. The flashes
would occur both in X mode, and at the console. We have it on a DEC
Alpha now, and the person who uses it hasn't noticed the flashes, so
there may some interference from the video card or XFree86. It was
reasonably clear at 1024x768m but not at higher resolutions. The place
where cygnus bought the work system (HiQ) no longer stocks ViewSonics,
due to the high return rate.
3) Mag DX17F -- this is my monitor for my home system. I needed to save a
few bucks when I bought the home system, and went to the Mag instead of
the ViewSonic. I've been kicking myself ever since. I am borderline
nearsighted, and the other two monitors were comfortable without my
glasses -- the mag, I need to wear the glasses, because it is fuzzier.
There is a faint horizontal line about 8 pixels to the left of the
right hand side when I use XFree86 (the line isn't there when I use
Windows or when I use the MetroX X server that ships with redhat). The
line isn't that annoying though... Every so often, the monitor will go
into a mode where the screen waves back and forth. It eventually
settles back down, but is somewhat annoying.
I would say that in monitors, you generally do get what you pay for (ie, the
higher priced Nokia is a much better monitor than the other two). I'm more
sensitive to flicker than a lot of people are. If money is tight, you might
want to check out the Mag 17T, which is Mag's new Trinitron monitors which are
about $70 more than the DX1795 monitors. I haven't seen the 17T, so I can't
say how it is, but I have seen the 15T and it is pretty sharp at 1024x768.
For what its worth, others have complained that the Mag is nowhere near the
quality of the traditional trinitron monitors (the Sony, Nokia, etc.), and that
is true, but it is a step up from the Mag DX17F.
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In article <322599...@btmv.bel.alcatel.be> Bas Ven
<ven%nls...@btmv.bel.alcatel.be> writes:
|
| Bryan Ericson wrote:
| >
| > Hi
| >
| > I guess the subject says it all. I've looked at the MAG DX1795, and it
| > seems pretty good for the price (about $650). The Sony trinitron monitors
| > are gorgeous, but their price is higher than most others. Is the price
| > worth it?
| >
| > Basically, can anyone give me a recommendation?
| >
| > Thanks,
| > Bry
| > cg...@bgu.edu
|
|
| Maybe you can get some recommendations from
| comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video.
| I myself have a Iiyama 8617T which is absolutely fantastic. But
| I guess everyone has his/her own preferences.
|
| Bas
I have seen many people in this thread being positive about the
Iiyama. I have myself one at work, but I find it to be a little fuzzy
and dark at high resolutions and refresh rates, even if color purity
and convergence are very good. Do you all use the d-sub connector that
comes with the monitor or BNC cables. Do these make a real difference
? Thanks in advance.
T Jones
Michael Meissner (meis...@cygnus.com) wrote:
[stuff deleted]
:
: I would say that in monitors, you generally do get what you pay for (ie, the
: higher priced Nokia is a much better monitor than the other two). I'm more
: sensitive to flicker than a lot of people are. If money is tight, you might
: want to check out the Mag 17T, which is Mag's new Trinitron monitors which are
: about $70 more than the DX1795 monitors. I haven't seen the 17T, so I can't
: say how it is, but I have seen the 15T and it is pretty sharp at 1024x768.
: For what its worth, others have complained that the Mag is nowhere near the
: quality of the traditional trinitron monitors (the Sony, Nokia, etc.), and that
I *HAD* the Mag17T and was somewhat disgusted by it. It image quality was
pretty good, but I wasn't too happy with its controls. Every time I started
X at 1152x864, I would have to realign the image because it didn't save my
settings, and the image was somewhat distorted. I replaced it with a
Sony 17sfII and have been happy every since. Anyways, Sony dropped the price
of the 17sfII by $100, so it is only $50 more than the Mag17T. I got the
sony for $780 (after shipping) from NECX.
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Mark Levitt
On 30 Aug 1996 22:17:56 +0200, lef...@platon.univ-lille1.fr wrote:
>I have seen many people in this thread being positive about the
>Iiyama. I have myself one at work, but I find it to be a little fuzzy
>and dark at high resolutions and refresh rates, even if color purity
>and convergence are very good. Do you all use the d-sub connector that
>comes with the monitor or BNC cables. Do these make a real difference
>? Thanks in advance.
If you really are using "very high" resolutions and refresh rates, then
yes, using BNC cables will make a big difference. I run 1024x768 @80hz and
it's rock solid and clear. However, the d-sub cables do have a more limited
bandwith than the monitor is capable of.
Bodo Bock
Hi,
>>>>> "BE" == Bryan Ericson <cg...@bgu.edu> writes:
BE>
BE> Hi
BE> I guess the subject says it all. I've looked at the MAG DX1795, and it
BE> seems pretty good for the price (about $650). The Sony trinitron monitors
BE> are gorgeous, but their price is higher than most others. Is the price
BE> worth it?
BE>
BE> Basically, can anyone give me a recommendation?
I don't know the MAG but I have a SAMSUNG 17GLSi TCO '92 and I am very
satisfied with it.
I use 1280x1024 at 76 Hz!
Well, it's a bit more expensive :-)
Bodo
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mele...@gamera.syr.edu (Mark Levitt) writes:
If you really are using "very high" resolutions and refresh rates, then
yes, using BNC cables will make a big difference. I run 1024x768 @80hz and
it's rock solid and clear. However, the d-sub cables do have a more limited
bandwith than the monitor is capable of.
I've noted that Hitachi writes that the bandwidth of the 17MVX is
limited to ~85MHz if you use the sub-D, while you get the full 135MHz
BW when using the BNC's.
IMHO, always use the BNC's if you can.
Kai
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+---- pc...@NL.net wrote (29 Aug 1996 15:19:38 +0200):
| Yes, I have found NEC and Sony tend to be pricey. I have MAG MXE17S
| at home running at the resolution of 1024x768. It's very sharp. The
| only thing is that MAG in U.S. doesn't carry this model. The
| equivalent seems to be DX17T.
While some have had success with MAG/Innovision monitors I have
had enough bad luck to feel the need to warn people about their
products.
If anyone out there takes a chance on MAG/Innovision monitors I
strongly suggest that the very first thing you do is put bold
white text on a black background _in text mode_, a screen full
of capital X's works well, and inspect the display. Look for
X's that are different in size. Look for X's that have a red
edge on one side and a blue edge on the other. That shouldn't
happen.
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gjoh...@dream.season.com (Reality is a point of view) writes:
While some have had success with MAG/Innovision monitors I have
had enough bad luck to feel the need to warn people about their
products.
If anyone out there takes a chance on MAG/Innovision monitors I
strongly suggest that the very first thing you do is put bold
white text on a black background _in text mode_, a screen full
of capital X's works well, and inspect the display. Look for
X's that are different in size. Look for X's that have a red
edge on one side and a blue edge on the other. That shouldn't
happen.
Sounds like disconvergence. Good monitors will allow you to tune the
convergence of the three beams.
To continue on the monitors discussion; I'm currently looking at the
Hitachi 17MVX Pro-II. The specs look good to me (135MHz video
bandwidth), but I have yet to look at it in Real Life.
I have, BTW, come across a (windows) program from Nokia, that will set
up a number of test patterns as to stress the resolution / sharpness /
power supply / contrast / etc etc of the monitor. It's called
`ntest', and it's the best/worst [take your pick] program i've seen.
You suddenly get very picky about the quality of the monitor you're
sitting in front of ... and could cost you a lot of money :-)
John Summerfield
In <slrn52nl75....@dream.season.com>, gjoh...@dream.season.com (Reality is a point of view) writes:
> +---- pc...@NL.net wrote (29 Aug 1996 15:19:38 +0200):
> | Yes, I have found NEC and Sony tend to be pricey. I have MAG MXE17S
Maybe, but I reckon my Sony Mutiscan 15sf II is terrific. Apart from scren size it
has the same specs as the Sony Mutiscan 17sf II.
Cheers
John Summerfield
Warped & Connected
Perth, Western Australia
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Rainer Eckhardt
Bodo Bock (B.B...@tu-bs.de) wrote:
: Hi,
: >>>>> "BE" == Bryan Ericson <cg...@bgu.edu> writes:
: BE>
: BE> Hi
: BE> I guess the subject says it all. I've looked at the MAG DX1795, and it
: BE> seems pretty good for the price (about $650). The Sony trinitron monitors
: BE> are gorgeous, but their price is higher than most others. Is the price
: BE> worth it?
: BE>
: BE> Basically, can anyone give me a recommendation?
: I don't know the MAG but I have a SAMSUNG 17GLSi TCO '92 and I am very
: satisfied with it.
: I use 1280x1024 at 76 Hz!
: Well, it's a bit more expensive :-)
I've the same Model, at two Acer X-Terminals and it's using
1024x768 at 98 Hz !!
This is due to the video interface of the X-Terminal
I'm very satisfied with this combination.
Greets Rainer
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Curtis Farley
In article <3224F78F...@ix.netcom.com>,
Henry Cross <hcr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Bryan Ericson wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I guess the subject says it all. I've looked at the MAG DX1795, and it
>>
>> Basically, can anyone give me a recommendation?
>>
>> Bry
>> cg...@bgu.edu
>
>Personally I'd only buy NEC or Sony, but if price is an issue the MAG is ok.
>(I think the Sony may have a bigger viewable screen then the NEC)
Get the Samsung Syncmaster 6Ne. It is great for $670, and according
to Consumer Reports its the best 17 inch monitor. I looked at it and compared
it to the NEC and Sony and several others and I would have to agree.
Curtis
jeff schmidt
The viewsonic 17'' looks very nice and is relatively
inexpensive.Nextstep looks very nice on it (so i hear from friends
running one) in high resolution. I am very happy with my Nokia 447L.
I don't put the same demands on it that nextstep people would. check out
the
viewsonic.jeff
Robert B. McGehee
jeff schmidt <schm...@earth.execpc.com> wrote:
I don't think the Nanao T2-17 (not TS) can be beat. I have seen alot
of monitors, and this thing looks like you are looking at a magazine.
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I've had great luck with the PanaSync / Pro 17 from Panasonic...
If you want more details, email me.
B
Marc Lefranc wrote:
>
> In article <322599...@btmv.bel.alcatel.be> Bas Ven
> <ven%nls...@btmv.bel.alcatel.be> writes:
>
> |
> | Bryan Ericson wrote:
> | >
> | > Hi
> | >
> | > I guess the subject says it all. I've looked at the MAG DX1795, and it
> | > seems pretty good for the price (about $650). The Sony trinitron monitors
> | > are gorgeous, but their price is higher than most others. Is the price
> | > worth it?
> | >
> | > Basically, can anyone give me a recommendation?
> | >
> | > Thanks,
> | > Bry
> | > cg...@bgu.edu
> |
> |
> | Maybe you can get some recommendations from
> | comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video.
> | I myself have a Iiyama 8617T which is absolutely fantastic. But
> | I guess everyone has his/her own preferences.
> |
> | Bas
>
> I have seen many people in this thread being positive about the
> Iiyama. I have myself one at work, but I find it to be a little fuzzy
> and dark at high resolutions and refresh rates, even if color purity
> and convergence are very good. Do you all use the d-sub connector that
> comes with the monitor or BNC cables. Do these make a real difference
> ? Thanks in advance.
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Oliver Martin
Have a look at the Iiyama Visionmaster Pro 17 which sells for about
750$. It has a very crisp picture and a very high refresh rate.
1024x768 - 110 Hz
1280x1024 - 85 Hz
1600x1200 - 70 Hz
Oliver
Bruce P. Kline
Curtis Farley (cfa...@indyunix.iupui.edu) wrote:
: Get the Samsung Syncmaster 6Ne. It is great for $670, and
: according to Consumer Reports its the best 17 inch monitor. I
: looked at it and compared it to the NEC and Sony and several others
: and I would have to agree.
I read the Consumer Report article pretty carefully and I think I
would not base a purchase on it. Here's why...
They did not post resolutions or refresh rates of the different
monitors, and in typical Consumer repost fashion I think their
judgement is usually OK for generic things, but when it comes
to something that is really important they tend to discount
the finer points. They base their decisions almost exclusively
on price, ignoring things like if I am going to be staring at
the thing for hours at a time I want something top quality.
My guess is they qualify things for average use, like the
average Joe who buys a computer to use a couple hours a week,
not a professional. Just check out their recommendations.
bruce
Bryan C Ericson
>Curtis Farley (cfa...@indyunix.iupui.edu) wrote:
>bruce
Now, I just got through looking at Computer Shopper's review of
monitors published in the Aug. edition, and they gave the 6Ne some
pretty good marks (not as good as others, ie Nanao Flexscan F2.17,
though). They did rate it as the second best budget monitor, right
behind the Pixie PBC-1764. Apparently it performs well in all areas,
but doesn't excel in 2 or 3 areas like the higher-priced monitors. It
sounds to me like it would be a good buy for those of us who don't
have a heap of dollars to spend on top-notch hardware but are still
conscious of quality.
Just my 2 cent's worth...
Bry
Darren J Greenwalt
On Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:45:01 -0500, Bryan Ericson <cg...@bgu.edu>
wrote:
>Hi
>
>I guess the subject says it all. I've looked at the MAG DX1795, and it
>seems pretty good for the price (about $650). The Sony trinitron monitors
>are gorgeous, but their price is higher than most others. Is the price
>worth it?
>
>Basically, can anyone give me a recommendation?
>
>Thanks,
>Bry
>cg...@bgu.edu
Hey, Sam's Wholesale has CTX Professional 17 model 1765GMe for
$598.97! Myself and two friends have bought this monitor and have had
no complaints so far. Very sharp.
Scan Freq: Horz 30-65KHz Vert 50-110Hz
Display area: Horz 310mm Vert 232mm (all adjustable)
Max Res: 1280x1024
Video Bandwidth: 110MHz
Dot Pitch: .27mm
Looking at other messages, I see that the 1280x1024 max res is what
makes the price difference. But I don't understand how anyone can use
anything higher than 1280x1024 within a 17 inch screen. I have good
eyesight, but I have a problem looking at that high of a resolution on
any 17" monitor. I keep mine at 800x600 most of the time (in Win95 -
I am a Linux newbe, but learning fast).
I guess it all depends on what resolution you want and can stand.
Darren J Greenwalt
rass...@i1.net
Sean Reifschneider
In article <3224F78F...@ix.netcom.com>,
Henry Cross <hcr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Bryan Ericson wrote:
>> seems pretty good for the price (about $650). The Sony trinitron monitors
>
>(I think the Sony may have a bigger viewable screen then the NEC)
was in the market for a new monitor, and wanted to get the best 17" display
I could. I spend way too much time with the computer to get anything
less. I decided on the Nokia 447X which cost just over $1000. I spent
several weeks trying to get it working like a $1K monitor, and talked with
tech support. My problem with it was that it had "shadowing". Dark
characters on a light background showed a "shadow" of the character directly
to the right of the character. It even happened on the monitor menus, and
different cables didn't help at all.
Nokia shipped me a second monitor, and it had the same problem. I also
noticed that they both had case damage in exactly the same place, I believe
it was caused by assembly.
I send back the monitors and got a NEC MultiSync XP17. That's a NICE display.
No complaints at all. One REALLY nice feature of it is that there's a button
on the front which allows you to select between 2 different sets of inputs.
I have it hooked up to 2 computers and just push the button. We liked it
so much that we ended up getting a second one a few months later (for my
wife), and just last night I was looking at getting another one (we have
5 computers :-). I was actually thinking about getting an XP15 if they
had it, but my usual source doesn't seem to carry them.
If you want a great monitor, go for the XP series from NEC. If you want
something less expensive ($1050 for XP17), check out the XV or XE. Though
you should check out the refresh frequencies on them -- they're not quite
as well endowed as others. My XP17 goes up to 1280x1024 at 75HZ -- it
won't do 1600x1200 at anything. The XV I think does 1280x1024 at 60HZ
(that would bug me).
Sean
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Reposting article removed by rogue canceller.
Gary
I highly recommend the Sony 17SE if you can find one... not too sure
about the Sony 17SFII.
-gary
On 21 Sep 96 17:20:15 GMT, ja...@ariel.tummy.com (Sean Reifschneider)
wrote:
Jack Frillman
Darren J Greenwalt (rass...@i1.net) wrote:
: On Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:45:01 -0500, Bryan Ericson <cg...@bgu.edu>
: wrote:
: >Hi
: >
: >I guess the subject says it all. I've looked at the MAG DX1795, and it
: >seems pretty good for the price (about $650). The Sony trinitron monitors
: >are gorgeous, but their price is higher than most others. Is the price
: >worth it?
A localy owned store here has the MAG1795 for $599.
I was thinking of getting it.
Anybody have the MAG and an opinion about it?
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ja...@ariel.tummy.com (Sean Reifschneider) writes:
>My XP17 goes up to 1280x1024 at 75HZ -- it
>won't do 1600x1200 at anything. The XV I think does 1280x1024 at 60HZ
>(that would bug me).
Monitors with a 60Hz@1280x1024 will usually do about 68Hz@1152x900, which
is my favourite resolution (because it uses all the RAM on a 2M card in
16bpp or all the RAM on a 1M card in 8bpp).
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Michael Meissner
In article <R.3244...@sylvia.tummy.com> ja...@ariel.tummy.com (Sean
Reifschneider) writes:
| I haven't been that impressed with the MAG displays. About a year ago I
| was in the market for a new monitor, and wanted to get the best 17" display
| I could. I spend way too much time with the computer to get anything
| less. I decided on the Nokia 447X which cost just over $1000. I spent
| several weeks trying to get it working like a $1K monitor, and talked with
| tech support. My problem with it was that it had "shadowing". Dark
| characters on a light background showed a "shadow" of the character directly
| to the right of the character. It even happened on the monitor menus, and
| different cables didn't help at all.
|
| Nokia shipped me a second monitor, and it had the same problem. I also
| noticed that they both had case damage in exactly the same place, I believe
| it was caused by assembly.
Hmmm, the Nokia 447X works well for me. Maybe they had a bad batch. Of the
four monitors I've used, the Nokia is easily the best of the lot (the ViewSonic
17G was ok, but seemed to suffer from random blue flashes; the Mag DX17F
monitor I have at home is blurrier, and goes into wiggle mode every so often;
and the 20" Mitsubshi monitor I had at my previous job gave me headaches with a
low refresh rate).
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Reality is a point of view
+---- ja...@meaddata.com wrote (25 Sep 1996 19:03:25 GMT):
| A localy owned store here has the MAG1795 for $599.
| I was thinking of getting it.
| Anybody have the MAG and an opinion about it?
Others have good luck with them, I've only seen lemons.
Recently, after a few rounds of MAG DX17T's I gave up forever
and tried a Nokia 447Xi for $870. They replaced the first one
(tint problem) on their tab. The replacement is working out
very well. The controls, contrary to a recent monitor
comparison in a market magazine, are full featured. Including
pin cushion and, my favorite, horizontal and vertical
convergence controls.
All the MAG's that I have seen have had convergence problems.
Maybe if they add convergence controls to their hardware I would
consider them again.
Andrew J. Braverman
I have the Sony 17seII (the sucsessor of the 17se)... it is a great
monitor. Great image, great OSD controls, and it has switchable ports -
it has a HDB-15 (VGA) port and 5 BNC connectors... great monitor...
In article <324819a...@192.0.2.3>, g...@netcom.com wrote:
> I highly recommend the Sony 17SE if you can find one... not too sure
> about the Sony 17SFII.
>
> -gary
>
> On 21 Sep 96 17:20:15 GMT, ja...@ariel.tummy.com (Sean Reifschneider)
> wrote:
>
> >Reposting article removed by rogue canceller.
> >
> >In article <3224F78F...@ix.netcom.com>,
> >Henry Cross <hcr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>Bryan Ericson wrote:
> >>> I guess the subject says it all. I've looked at the MAG DX1795, and it
> >>> seems pretty good for the price (about $650). The Sony trinitron monitors
> >>
> >>Personally I'd only buy NEC or Sony, but if price is an issue the MAG is ok.
> >>(I think the Sony may have a bigger viewable screen then the NEC)
> >
> >I haven't been that impressed with the MAG displays. About a year ago I
> >was in the market for a new monitor, and wanted to get the best 17" display
> >I could. I spend way too much time with the computer to get anything
> >less. I decided on the Nokia 447X which cost just over $1000. I spent
> >several weeks trying to get it working like a $1K monitor, and talked with
> >tech support. My problem with it was that it had "shadowing". Dark
> >characters on a light background showed a "shadow" of the character directly
> >to the right of the character. It even happened on the monitor menus, and
> >different cables didn't help at all.
> >
> >Nokia shipped me a second monitor, and it had the same problem. I also
> >noticed that they both had case damage in exactly the same place, I believe
> >it was caused by assembly.
> >
> >I send back the monitors and got a NEC MultiSync XP17. That's a NICE
display.
> >No complaints at all. One REALLY nice feature of it is that there's a button
> >on the front which allows you to select between 2 different sets of inputs.
> >I have it hooked up to 2 computers and just push the button. We liked it
> >so much that we ended up getting a second one a few months later (for my
> >wife), and just last night I was looking at getting another one (we have
> >5 computers :-). I was actually thinking about getting an XP15 if they
> >had it, but my usual source doesn't seem to carry them.
> >
> >If you want a great monitor, go for the XP series from NEC. If you want
> >something less expensive ($1050 for XP17), check out the XV or XE. Though
> >you should check out the refresh frequencies on them -- they're not quite
> >as well endowed as others. My XP17 goes up to 1280x1024 at 75HZ -- it
> >won't do 1600x1200 at anything. The XV I think does 1280x1024 at 60HZ
> >(that would bug me).
> >
Mark Levitt
On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:22:39 GMT,
Bryan Levin <ble...@netcom.com> wrote:
>Having bought and used both the Sony mentioned above and teh Iiyama vision
>master pro 17, I'll take the Iiyama any day.
Although I haven't seen the Sony seII 17, I would definitly recommend the
Iiyama also. I have the cheaper "non pro" model and it's better than
anything else I looked at. (I spent month looking at high end monitors
before buying this one). The sfII I looked at was awful.
Plus, it's got a three year warrenty, and for an extra $50, Iiyama will
repair it and have it back to you within 48 hours.
Andy Fraser
meis...@cygnus.com (Michael Meissner) writes:
>In article <R.3244...@sylvia.tummy.com> ja...@ariel.tummy.com (Sean
>Reifschneider) writes:
[deletia]
>| less. I decided on the Nokia 447X which cost just over $1000. I spent
>| several weeks trying to get it working like a $1K monitor, and talked with
>| tech support. My problem with it was that it had "shadowing". Dark
>| characters on a light background showed a "shadow" of the character directly
>| to the right of the character. It even happened on the monitor menus, and
>| different cables didn't help at all.
I got the same model (I forget the price) and I have the same problems.
I didn't ask for a second monitor. I had wondered about trying a different
cable. After reading your post, I looked at the monitor menues. The shadow
is there too. Guess that rules out everything except the monitor itself.
>| Nokia shipped me a second monitor, and it had the same problem. I also
>| noticed that they both had case damage in exactly the same place, I believe
>| it was caused by assembly.
>Hmmm, the Nokia 447X works well for me. Maybe they had a bad batch. Of the
>four monitors I've used, the Nokia is easily the best of the lot
[deletia]
The Nokia is the only 17 inch PC monitor I've used. My wife uses a Mag 15
which has always been trouble (I will stay away from Mag in the future).
I use an Adonics 14 at home. It is slow, but the image is sharper than
the Nokia.
Carl Renneberg
Sean Reifschneider wrote:
>
> Reposting article removed by rogue canceller.
>
> In article <3224F78F...@ix.netcom.com>,
> Henry Cross <hcr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >Bryan Ericson wrote:
> >> I guess the subject says it all. I've looked at the MAG DX1795, and it
> >> seems pretty good for the price (about $650). The Sony trinitron monitors
> >
> >Personally I'd only buy NEC or Sony, but if price is an issue the MAG is ok.
> >(I think the Sony may have a bigger viewable screen then the NEC)
>
> I haven't been that impressed with the MAG displays. About a year ago I
> was in the market for a new monitor, and wanted to get the best 17" display
> I could. I spend way too much time with the computer to get anything
> several weeks trying to get it working like a $1K monitor, and talked with
> tech support. My problem with it was that it had "shadowing". Dark
> characters on a light background showed a "shadow" of the character directly
> to the right of the character. It even happened on the monitor menus, and
> different cables didn't help at all.
>
> noticed that they both had case damage in exactly the same place, I believe
> it was caused by assembly.
>
This sounds like the same problem I had (and still have) with my ViewSonic 21PS.
And since I've become sensitve to it, I've noticed many different monitors showing
the same problem.
What I found on the ViewSonic was that the "shadows" were due to the RBG video
signals reflecting up and down the length of the video cable. The reflections
were caused by impedance mismatches (a) inside the monitor and (b) at the video
outputs of the video card (ie both have design problems).
I confirmed this by connecting the the video card to the ViewSonic via
5 separate high-quality 75 ohm coaxial cables (1 metre in length). I terminated
the sync signals in 75-ohm through-terminators at the monitor (to eliminate
reflections on the sync signals), and then used a 400 MHz storage CRO to look
at the RBG and sync signals in turn.
The sync signals looked dead-steady and clean. But the RBG signals did show reflections.
To confirm that the reflections on the CRO were "real", I doubled the length of
the RBG video cables, but kept the sync connections unchanged. On the screen,
the separation between the main image and the shadow doubled, which makes sense -
in this second setup, the RGB reflections would have twice the round-trip delay:
To make sure that the coax cables weren't contributing to the problem, I removed the
RBG cables from the ViewSonic one at a time, and terminated them in 75 ohm terminators.
The CRO showed no reflections. To make sure that I was, in fact, using 75 ohm cables,
(and not 50-ohm cables) I checked that all the terminators measured 75 ohms on an
an ohmmeter (and so, since there weren't any reflections, the cables must have
had the same impedance).
I reported my findings to the Australian distributor, who essentially argued
that what I was seeing couldn't be true, and so therefore there was no problem
to fix.
After much persistence, I contacted ViewSonic in Taiwan, who sent me a circuit
diagram of the monitor's video circuitry. When I simulated the circuitry and
video cables with Spice, I found that the simulations showed much the same
reflections that I saw on the CRO.
(I reported my simulation results to the Australian distributor and to Taiwan.
Again, the response was basically one of denial.)
Using Spice, I found that I could eliminate most of the reflections (in the
simulation) by adding a parallel R-L network in series with the monitor's video
inputs. I hope to try this out in the next few weeks.
In one way, the fact that the ViewSonic does show "shadows" on the screen is
a good sign. It means that the monitor's video circuitry has lots of bandwidth,
exactly what you need for sharp images at high resolutions (eg 1280x1024).
If I can fix the impedance mismatch problem (which ViewSOnic should have done
before going into production) then I'll have a damn fine monitor.
Carl.
Derek Quek
I have a Mitsubishi 17FS. The refresh is fantastic - 1024x768 at 85Hz,
or 1280x1024 at 74Hz. The colour & controls are fine, the control cover
a bit flimsy, but there's a remote control under ms windows. Best of
all, it's cheaper than sony or mag.
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John Bell
Reality is a point of view wrote:
>
> +---- ja...@meaddata.com wrote (25 Sep 1996 19:03:25 GMT):
> | A localy owned store here has the MAG1795 for $599.
> | I was thinking of getting it.
> | Anybody have the MAG and an opinion about it?
> +----
>
> Others have good luck with them, I've only seen lemons.
>
> Recently, after a few rounds of MAG DX17T's I gave up forever
> and tried a Nokia 447Xi for $870.
I've had my MAG MXP17F for a year now. Highly recommended.
Runs 1024x768 at megahuge refresh rate; currently running
1280x1024 @ 76Hz, which is great for my poor eyes. Has
more controls than I'll ever know what to do with, can
save up to eight user-defined modes, blah blah blah.
Colors are great, too (easily as good reproduction as
a Trinitron-based monitor, without the annoying filament
lines at bottom and top third of the screen). Also comes
with VGA/Mac/BNC connectors (pretty flexible between
systems).
Good luck on your search; your eyes will thank you for it :-).
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Sean Reifschneider
In article <52d3vl$f...@miso.cs.uq.edu.au>,
Warwick Allison <war...@cs.uq.edu.au> wrote:
>Monitors with a 60Hz@1280x1024 will usually do about 68Hz@1152x900, which
>is my favourite resolution (because it uses all the RAM on a 2M card in
>16bpp or all the RAM on a 1M card in 8bpp).
You don't want to use all your video memory for the display. If you have
some memory available, you can get a font cache which will drastically
increase performance of text applications. I'm using 1280x1024x16 on
my 4MB boards... That's about 1.5MB that can be used for font cache.
It's so fast it can even keep up with me typing. :-)
Enjoy,
Dvir Dotan
Jack Frillman (ja...@meaddata.com) wrote:
: Darren J Greenwalt (rass...@i1.net) wrote:
: : On Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:45:01 -0500, Bryan Ericson <cg...@bgu.edu>
: : wrote:
: : >Hi
: : >
: : >I guess the subject says it all. I've looked at the MAG DX1795, and it
: : >seems pretty good for the price (about $650). The Sony trinitron monitors
: : >are gorgeous, but their price is higher than most others. Is the price
: : >worth it?
: A localy owned store here has the MAG1795 for $599.
: I was thinking of getting it.
: Anybody have the MAG and an opinion about it?
: --
:
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: EXT. 4812 | | -Bugs Bunny |
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Hi!
I have a MAG 17 inch monitor. It works very well for me, I should warn
you that refresh rates aren't that great.
If you can live in 800*600 then no problem. Going to 1024*768 gave me
problems with image clarity (especiallt distortion). I guess you could
attrbute to the not so great ET4000/W32 graphics card I have.
Yours,
Dotan
Marc Donovan
In article <324E3255...@singnet.com.sg>,
Derek Quek <de...@singnet.com.sg> exclaimed:
>I have a Mitsubishi 17FS. The refresh is fantastic - 1024x768 at 85Hz,
>or 1280x1024 at 74Hz. The colour & controls are fine, the control cover
>a bit flimsy, but there's a remote control under ms windows. Best of
>all, it's cheaper than sony or mag.
>
You forgot to mention that (afaik) the Mitsubishi 17" has a viewable
screen of 17", unlike the rest of the cheats who have "17inch" monitors
with actual viewable areas of anywhere from 14.5 to 16 inches.
marc
David W. Alderman
Marc Donovan wrote:
>
> You forgot to mention that (afaik) the Mitsubishi 17" has a viewable
> screen of 17", unlike the rest of the cheats who have "17inch" monitors
> with actual viewable areas of anywhere from 14.5 to 16 inches.
>
> marc
Have you taken a tape measure to it? This will be an industry first if
true!
Dave (who is sitting in front of his aging Mitsubishi HL6605 16" monitor
that is not really 16 inches).
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James V. Silverton
Dvir Dotan (s254...@techst02.technion.ac.il) wrote:
: Jack Frillman (ja...@meaddata.com) wrote:
: : Darren J Greenwalt (rass...@i1.net) wrote:
: : : On Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:45:01 -0500, Bryan Ericson <cg...@bgu.edu>
: : : wrote:
:
: you that refresh rates aren't that great.
:
: If you can live in 800*600 then no problem. Going to 1024*768 gave me
I realise that this is a very high end spec but does anyone know if there is
a 17inch monitor capable of 1280x1024 at a refresh rate of 70Hz or better?
I am talking about using my own money so please no 21inch models.
Best wishes,
Jim.
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M.C. van den Bovenkamp
James V. Silverton wrote:
> I realise that this is a very high end spec but does anyone know if there is
> a 17inch monitor capable of 1280x1024 at a refresh rate of 70Hz or better?
I have an AT&T/NCR 17" (OEMed Panasonic) that'll do 1280x1024 at 76 Hz.
But it doesn't quite have the pixels to pull it off, at .26 dot pitch
(do your own calculations and see). Ans it shows; it's very slightly
blurry at that resolution, in spite of having a 76Hz refresh. Unless
your 17" has a *very* low dot pitch (something like .24 mm) it just
doesn't have 1280 x 1024 dots :-).
Marco.
Richard Cheung
I have a 17" Viewsonic model 17PS and it works great at 1280x1024 with
a refresh rate of 75Hz. The 0.25mm dot pitch really shows with small
text that is so sharp. It will support up to 1600x1280, but my ATI
Xpression cannot handle such as high resolution.
There are also lots of user settings you can store too. The price is
quite reasonable.
Regards,
Richard
Metod Kozelj
Hello,
James V. Silverton wrote:
>
> :
> : I have a MAG 17 inch monitor. It works very well for me, I should warn
> : you that refresh rates aren't that great.
> :
> : If you can live in 800*600 then no problem. Going to 1024*768 gave me
>
> I realise that this is a very high end spec but does anyone know if there is
> a 17inch monitor capable of 1280x1024 at a refresh rate of 70Hz or better?
I drive my MAG MXP17S (a one-year old model) to max resolution of
1360x1020 @ 74Hz refresh rate. I use such maximal resolution to maintain
the aspect ratio 4:3. I was able to drive the monitor at resolution
1280x1024 with 75Hz. And, BTW, I paid for it about $900.
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Kai Harrekilde-Petersen
> > I realise that this is a very high end spec but does anyone know
> > if there is a 17inch monitor capable of 1280x1024 at a refresh
> > rate of 70Hz or better?
> I drive my MAG MXP17S (a one-year old model) to max resolution of
> 1360x1020 @ 74Hz refresh rate. I use such maximal resolution to maintain
> the aspect ratio 4:3. I was able to drive the monitor at resolution
> 1280x1024 with 75Hz. And, BTW, I paid for it about $900.
I just bought a Hitachi 17MVX Pro2, for the equivalent of $1000. I'm
driving it with a Matrox Millennium 4Meg board with a 220MHz RAMDAC,
so that shouldn't limit the quality.
In short, it's great. I've done 1280x1024x24bpp@75Hz, and it is
really sharp and crisp. I borrowed Win3.11 so I could the the Nokia
monitor test program running (aka ntest). The Nokia monitor test is a
killer; it will test all ends of your monitor: geometry, convergence,
focus, resolution, color uniformity, PSU quality(*), Moire patterns,
and several other things i've forgotten. Oh yes, it's freeware.
The Pro2 really shined in these tests. The only drawbacks I can find
about it is:
a) it doesn't have a small LCD display to show the resolutions etc,
but instead it is shown onscreen (can be switched off luckily)
b) The color convergence is not user setable. But since this isn't
necessarry for my monitor, I can lived with this.
(*)What! PSU quality? Yes, by pulsing the screen from black to white
(and having a thin white border) and opserving whether the edge of the
viewable part moves, you cann assess whether the PSU is capable of
react to fast changes in current demands.
One thing that many people unfortunately ignore, is that the quality
of the display is highly dependant on the graphics card you use. if
you run the RAMDAC at its max frequency, you're already stretching
things. Allowing for a 'safety margin' is a Good Thing[TM], IMHO.
Kai
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James V. Silverton wrote:
>
> Dvir Dotan (s254...@techst02.technion.ac.il) wrote:
> : Jack Frillman (ja...@meaddata.com) wrote:
> : : Darren J Greenwalt (rass...@i1.net) wrote:
> : : : On Wed, 28 Aug 1996 16:45:01 -0500, Bryan Ericson <cg...@bgu.edu>
> :
> : I have a MAG 17 inch monitor. It works very well for me, I should warn
> : you that refresh rates aren't that great.
> :
> : If you can live in 800*600 then no problem. Going to 1024*768 gave me
>
> a 17inch monitor capable of 1280x1024 at a refresh rate of 70Hz or better?
>
> Best wishes,
> Jim.
Make sure you compare Viewable Dimenisions.
I have Mag 1795 which is a good monitor but is something like 16.3"
viewable.
It seems that every year, monitors keep getting smaller in comparison to
what they say they are.
Last years 14 inch is this years 15 inch. ... and next years 16".
If you keep your monitor, it may grow(according to mfg's)
Todd K. Vorce
I just recently bought a Sony-17sf2 and it is a great monitor. It has 20
settable screen memories so you don't have to keep readjusting your screen
whenever you switch resolutions. The resolution is very nice -- I run
Xwindows at 1280x1024 and the xterm text is very sharp. It is on the high
end of price, but the viewing image covers the entire screen -- there is no
black around the images -- very nice.
Todd K. Vorce
: Mahurin (dmah...@donet.com) wrote:
Robert Goodwin
Check out the Daytek DT-1704C. (I may have it wrong but the digits are
right) I think that it can handle the resolutions and refresh rates that
you're looking for at a reasonable price for the performance. They have
a web page out there somewhere. Something like www.daytek.ca. they're a
canadian company.
Todd K. Vorce (vorc...@canris.msu.edu) wrote:
: I just recently bought a Sony-17sf2 and it is a great monitor. It has 20
Kay Hofmann
Todd K. Vorce (vorc...@canris.msu.edu) wrote:
: I just recently bought a Sony-17sf2 and it is a great monitor. It has 20
: settable screen memories so you don't have to keep readjusting your screen
: whenever you switch resolutions. The resolution is very nice -- I run
: Xwindows at 1280x1024 and the xterm text is very sharp. It is on the high
: end of price, but the viewing image covers the entire screen -- there is no
: black around the images -- very nice.
Are you sure that you are not talking about the 17se2 ?
As far as I know, the 17sf2 cannot do 1280x1024 (or only interlaced).
The 17se2 is considerably more expensive, though.
Kay
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In article <32723...@cisun2000.unil.ch>,
Kay Hofmann <khof...@isrec-sun1.unil.ch> wrote:
>Todd K. Vorce (vorc...@canris.msu.edu) wrote:
>: I just recently bought a Sony-17sf2 and it is a great monitor. It has 20
>: settable screen memories so you don't have to keep readjusting your screen
>: whenever you switch resolutions. The resolution is very nice -- I run
>: Xwindows at 1280x1024 and the xterm text is very sharp. It is on the high
>: end of price, but the viewing image covers the entire screen -- there is no
>: black around the images -- very nice.
>
>
>Are you sure that you are not talking about the 17se2 ?
>
>As far as I know, the 17sf2 cannot do 1280x1024 (or only interlaced).
The 17sf2 should be able to do 1280x1024 @ 60Hz, NI of course. It is
debatable whether it is an acceptable refresh at that rate, and it is a
rather subjective judgment. Some people can live with (do not notice
the flicker, or not bothered by it) 60Hz, some find even 72Hz
annoying. VESA has drawn the flicker line at 70 (or was it 72?) Hz.
So you decide for yourself :-)
The best way to shop for a monitor is to personally inspect one. Those
who have spent a lot of time in front of a monitor will know that
already. Those that are going to spend a lot of time in front of a
monitor will do well to heed that advice. You only have one pair of
eyes, and the are probably the most important and fragile sensory
organs you have.
Cheers,
e.
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Lionel Clark
Derek Quek wrote:
>
> > : : > I realise that this is a very high end spec but does anyone know if there is
> > : : > a 17inch monitor capable of 1280x1024 at a refresh rate of 70Hz or better?
>
> It runs 1280x1024 at 76Hz, 1024x768 at 85 Hz, 800x600 at 120Hz. Gives a
> completely flicker free screen that's easy on the eyes. Usual RGB colour
> control, rotation, skew, memory etc.
>
> If you can spend more, try the Diamondtron screen. It beats any other
> trinitron screen.
How's them Panasonic 17" (Proview?) compare? I've seen a spec sheet
that had some acceptable numbers, but it's since run away and I'm
curious.
Henry Cross
Edwin Lim wrote:
>
> In article <32723...@cisun2000.unil.ch>,
> Kay Hofmann <khof...@isrec-sun1.unil.ch> wrote:
> >Todd K. Vorce (vorc...@canris.msu.edu) wrote:
> >: I just recently bought a Sony-17sf2 and it is a great monitor. It has 20
> >: settable screen memories so you don't have to keep readjusting your screen
> >: whenever you switch resolutions. The resolution is very nice -- I run
> >: Xwindows at 1280x1024 and the xterm text is very sharp. It is on the high
> >: end of price, but the viewing image covers the entire screen -- there is no
> >: black around the images -- very nice.
> >
> >
> >Are you sure that you are not talking about the 17se2 ?
> >
> >As far as I know, the 17sf2 cannot do 1280x1024 (or only interlaced).
>
> The 17sf2 should be able to do 1280x1024 @ 60Hz, NI of course. It is
> debatable whether it is an acceptable refresh at that rate, and it is a
> rather subjective judgment. Some people can live with (do not notice
> the flicker, or not bothered by it) 60Hz, some find even 72Hz
> annoying. VESA has drawn the flicker line at 70 (or was it 72?) Hz.
> So you decide for yourself :-)
>
> The best way to shop for a monitor is to personally inspect one. Those
> who have spent a lot of time in front of a monitor will know that
> already. Those that are going to spend a lot of time in front of a
> monitor will do well to heed that advice. You only have one pair of
> eyes, and the are probably the most important and fragile sensory
> organs you have.
I agree completely.
It depends on what your going to do.
For graphics work you need a _really_ good monitor like say a Sony seII
For business work a Sony sfII is still pretty damn good. (picture wise)
If your looking for an investment to last you might try something like
an Iiyama which has very high refresh rates at such high resolutions
that
it will probably be a _long_ time before it becomes outdated.
(Assuming, of course, that the monitor lasts that long. I know nothing
of
Iiyama's reputation, quality, etc.)
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Derek Quek
> : : > I realise that this is a very high end spec but does anyone know if there is
> : : > a 17inch monitor capable of 1280x1024 at a refresh rate of 70Hz or better?
Try the Mitsubishi 17FS - cost me S$980, should be about US$600.
It runs 1280x1024 at 76Hz, 1024x768 at 85 Hz, 800x600 at 120Hz. Gives a
completely flicker free screen that's easy on the eyes. Usual RGB colour
control, rotation, skew, memory etc.
If you can spend more, try the Diamondtron screen. It beats any other
trinitron screen.
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David N. Hoshor
Kay Hofmann wrote:
>
> Todd K. Vorce (vorc...@canris.msu.edu) wrote:
> : I just recently bought a Sony-17sf2 and it is a great monitor. It has 20
> : settable screen memories so you don't have to keep readjusting your screen
> : whenever you switch resolutions. The resolution is very nice -- I run
> : Xwindows at 1280x1024 and the xterm text is very sharp. It is on the high
> : end of price, but the viewing image covers the entire screen -- there is no
> : black around the images -- very nice.
>
> Are you sure that you are not talking about the 17se2 ?
>
> As far as I know, the 17sf2 cannot do 1280x1024 (or only interlaced).
>
> Kay
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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The Sony 17sfII can only do a 60Hz refresh rate at 1280x1024, but will
do
1152x852 at 70Hz or 1024x768 at 75Hz.
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David Barth
I use a IDEK Liyama for two years now : it's rather cheap, image is sharp and stable (80Hz at 1280x1024). The screen can even go to 1600x1200 (but it's too small on a 17"...)
A new series of the same brand now has Trinitron screens, whereas the ancient serie used a Mitsubishi screen
Try to see one, and you won't choose another
Just my 2c...
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BigDummy
In article <32723...@cisun2000.unil.ch>, khof...@isrec-sun1.unil.ch says...
>
>Todd K. Vorce (vorc...@canris.msu.edu) wrote:
>: I just recently bought a Sony-17sf2 and it is a great monitor. It has 20
>: settable screen memories so you don't have to keep readjusting your screen
>: whenever you switch resolutions. The resolution is very nice -- I run
>: Xwindows at 1280x1024 and the xterm text is very sharp. It is on the high
>: end of price, but the viewing image covers the entire screen -- there is no
>: black around the images -- very nice.
>
>
>Are you sure that you are not talking about the 17se2 ?
>
>As far as I know, the 17sf2 cannot do 1280x1024 (or only interlaced).
>The 17se2 is considerably more expensive, though.
>
>Kay
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>Kay Hofmann Tel. +41 (21) 692-5892
>ISREC Bioinformatics Group FAX +41 (21) 652-6933
>Swiss Institute for Experimental Cancer Research
>CH-1066 Epalinges s/Lausanne URL: http://ulrec3.unil.ch/
>Switzerland E-mail: khof...@isrec.unil.ch
Just got in three Princeton Ultra 17+ monitors, 1600x1280 res, with
high refresh rate. Have not gotten in the Diamond Stealth 3D 3000 XL
with 4 meg yet, due in next week.
On a plain vlb video card not much impressed. I will try to update you
on what a difference the 3D's make.
Price on the 17+, my cost 560, the 3D's 250.
Bob