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Gast Primus

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Apr 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/11/00
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Hi

I have been testing an evaluation copy of exceed but my boss says it's too
expensive and telnet sessions are next to useless for what we want to do.
Does anybody know of a cheap / free alternative to exceed bearing in mind I
really only want xterms.

Thanks in anticipation of your help.

Iain

Kaz Kylheku

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On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:38:06 +0100, Gast Primus <ho...@vapid.demon.co.uk>
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>Hi
>
>I have been testing an evaluation copy of exceed but my boss says it's too
>expensive and telnet sessions are next to useless for what we want to do.
>Does anybody know of a cheap / free alternative to exceed bearing in mind I
>really only want xterms.

Sounds like all you want is a decent remote login terminal for Windows, as
opposed to the laughable telnet program that comes with Windows. In that case,
look no further than PuTTY.

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/

This thing supports telnet and ssh, and appears to have very good terminal
emulation and color support, resizing, xterm cut and paste, and all that. It's
the only Windoze terminal program I have ever seen that is any good (other than
the rxvt port to GNU-Win32 combined with the standard command line ssh client
ported to GNU-Win32).

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Maarten Wijnen

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On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, Gast Primus wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have been testing an evaluation copy of exceed but my boss says it's too
> expensive and telnet sessions are next to useless for what we want to do.
> Does anybody know of a cheap / free alternative to exceed bearing in mind I
> really only want xterms.

If you don't want support for X-applications you could try putty
(putty.exe in a search engine should give you some download
location). It's a free ssh/telnet client and it works very nice.

It's just as flexible as an ordinairy xterm.


If you want X-applications, take a look at this posting:

http://www.linux.ie/archive/msg00900.html

>
> Thanks in anticipation of your help.
>
> Iain
>
>
>

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Koos Pol

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| On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:38:06 +0100, Gast Primus <ho...@vapid.demon.co.uk>
| wrote:
| >Hi
| >
| >I have been testing an evaluation copy of exceed but my boss says it's too
| >expensive and telnet sessions are next to useless for what we want to do.
| >Does anybody know of a cheap / free alternative to exceed bearing in mind I
| >really only want xterms.

Vnc is what you want. It a free product of AT&T and it is a complete X
server/client product.
More stable than Exceed, a bit slower, but better from architectual point of
view: The client (viewer) is completely separated from the X environment.
Your PC may crash but after a restart your vnc client can re-attach to the X
session as if nothing happened.

Koos Pol
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S.C. Pol - Systems Administrator - Compuware Europe B.V. - Amsterdam
T:+31 20 3116122 F:+31 20 3116200 E:koos...@nl.compuware.com

Check my email address when you hit "Reply".

Kristjan Kristinsson

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Isn't VNC a _VERY_ slow alternative?

Greetings
Kristjan


On 11 Apr 2000 11:02:30 GMT, koos...@nl.compuware.com.NO_JUNK_MAIL

Manoj Patil

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Hi !
Try using Free TNTlite products MIXServer. Its a very neat one.... extremely
fast... we have been using here since ages now and are very happy

Maarten Wijnen wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, Gast Primus wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I have been testing an evaluation copy of exceed but my boss says it's too
> > expensive and telnet sessions are next to useless for what we want to do.
> > Does anybody know of a cheap / free alternative to exceed bearing in mind I
> > really only want xterms.
>

Gast Primus

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Putty works fine.

Thanks alot,

Iain


F. Michael Orr

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Koos Pol wrote:
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> | On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:38:06 +0100, Gast Primus <ho...@vapid.demon.co.uk>
> | wrote:
> | >Hi
> | >
> | >I have been testing an evaluation copy of exceed but my boss says it's too
> | >expensive and telnet sessions are next to useless for what we want to do.
> | >Does anybody know of a cheap / free alternative to exceed bearing in mind I
> | >really only want xterms.
>
> Vnc is what you want. It a free product of AT&T and it is a complete X
> server/client product.
> More stable than Exceed, a bit slower, but better from architectual point of
> view: The client (viewer) is completely separated from the X environment.
> Your PC may crash but after a restart your vnc client can re-attach to the X
> session as if nothing happened.
>
> Koos Pol

Do you have a URL to get it from? I looked on AT&T's site, but couldn't
find any software links.

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F. Michael Orr
Sr. Systems Engineer
Norfolk Public Schools, Norfolk, VA, USA

Leslie Mikesell

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Apr 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/11/00
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In article <38f38b94....@news.telia.net>,

Kristjan Kristinsson <kris...@it-power.se> wrote:
>Isn't VNC a _VERY_ slow alternative?

That depends mostly on the window size, color depth, and
background decorations of your window manager. At 800x600,
8-bit color, and the rather spartan blackbox window
manager I find it tolerable over a dialup and at least
as fast as a native X server on a local network. The
real plus, though, is that it maintains the sessions whether
you are connected or not. You can start up some long-running
programs and periodically check on them from different locations,
or start something at work, then check on it from home.
You can also use it to control windows boxes remotely, although
that does tend to be slower.

Les Mikesell
l...@mcs.com

Janet

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"F. Michael Orr" <mo...@nps.sbo.k12.va.us> writes:

> Do you have a URL to get it from? I looked on AT&T's site, but couldn't
> find any software links.

VNC is at http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/
It is indeed rather slow compared to just an X server, but if you're on a
LAN or a fast connection, it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

There is also an X server from Microimages which works pretty well also
(and is faster than VNC):
http://www.microimages.com/freestuf/mix/index.htm

It used to be free, but the windows version isn't any more (*sniff*). The
Mac version is still free though.

Janet

Koos Pol

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Apr 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/13/00
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On 11 Apr 2000 13:11:51 -0700, Janet <jjc...@stanford.edu> wrote:
|
| There is also an X server from Microimages which works pretty well also
| (and is faster than VNC):
| http://www.microimages.com/freestuf/mix/index.htm
|

We ditched it in favor of VNC because we had the odd crash rather
regularly...

Victor Wagner

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Apr 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/13/00
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In comp.os.linux.misc Gast Primus <ho...@vapid.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: Hi

: I have been testing an evaluation copy of exceed but my boss says it's too
: expensive and telnet sessions are next to useless for what we want to do.
: Does anybody know of a cheap / free alternative to exceed bearing in mind I
: really only want xterms.

Try TeraTerm or Putty.
Both are free telnet/ssh clients.
Putty emulates xterm type of terminal.
Teraterm either emulates vt220 or lets you install special terminfo
entry, but it also supports tektronics graphics, i.e. programs like
gnuplot or dvigt would be able to show something graphical.

Of course, colors, proper box drawing, mouse support etc,etc.

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Stefaan A Eeckels

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Apr 14, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/14/00
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In article <38f38b94....@news.telia.net>,

kris...@it-power.se (Kristjan Kristinsson) writes:
> Isn't VNC a _VERY_ slow alternative?
It's rather slow if you want to use it to display a Windows
desktop on another machine, due to the hooking of the
display routines they've got to do on Windows. I find
it rather usable when using an 800x600/256 color setting.

Going from UNIX to Windows, it's quite fast, and a viable
replacement for a PC-based X server.

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