MicroStation under Linux
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Terrence Hurst [Bentley]
requarding a possible Linux port of MicroStation. Please ignore my name on
this Linux thread.
Thankyou,
============== One of "The People Behind MicroStation" ==============
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Martin Nisshagen
sha...@dutiee.duticai.twi.tudelft.nl says...
>
>
>This is the third post to coax all those hibernating Linuxers to voice their
>opinion if they'd like to see MicroStation ported under linux. If you use
>linux+MicroStation please take part in this protest/survey/campaign to
>request Bentley to port it under your favorite Linux-OS.
Come on.. wouldn't it be better if Linux was fixed first and started to use
SMP and kernel threads first? Or even better; use a more professional Unix
like Solarix x86 instead.
m a r t i n n
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Kai Leibrandt
>In article <SHARMA.95S...@dutiee.duticai.twi.tudelft.nl>,
>sha...@dutiee.duticai.twi.tudelft.nl says...
>>
>>
<SNIP>
>Come on.. wouldn't it be better if Linux was fixed first and started to use
>SMP and kernel threads first? Or even better; use a more professional Unix
>like Solarix x86 instead.
From COED:
ignorance n. lack of knowledge (of thing, or in general). [ME f. OF,
f. L ignorantia (as foll.; see -ANCE)]
Both kernel threads and SMP are being prototyped right now, kernels with
these features are running and available for ftp for adventurous souls.
But _why_ exactly is a 'more professional Unix' a better one? I have nothing
but troubles with solaris at the mo (mainly Appletalk protocols, nfs speed
etc etc etc).
Linux is my favorite over SunOS (any version), Irix (any version!),
and Unixware. By miles! I just see no justification in paying $$$$'s
or more for something equivalent _at best_.
Anyway. Have a look aroud if you need Linux SMP/threads, it's all there
for you to try out.
Hope to haved cleared up a few things,
Kai.
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Naresh Sharma - aio fac L en R
: In article <SHARMA.95S...@dutiee.duticai.twi.tudelft.nl>,
: sha...@dutiee.duticai.twi.tudelft.nl says...
: >
: >This is the third post to coax all those hibernating Linuxers to voice their
: >linux+MicroStation please take part in this protest/survey/campaign to
: >request Bentley to port it under your favorite Linux-OS.
: Come on.. wouldn't it be better if Linux was fixed first and started to use
: SMP and kernel threads first? Or even better; use a more professional Unix
: like Solarix x86 instead.
I have no problems about people who wish to squander money - go right ahead
and buy Solaris (BTW check your spellings). I think solairs is a good OS, very
good indeed, but Linux is BETTER!!
Well, you certainly dont seem to have any experience with linux. Linux does
not have any problems, absence of SMP or Kernel threads does not affect user-
level programs. Especially, Microstation which runs on single processor systems
quite effectively, even on program loaders such as MS-DOS (sic!), will not
get affected by lack of SMP. If you know what you are talking about, SMP only
enables multiple CPU mother boards to work.
Anyhow, work on Linux SMP is under progress, and kernel threads will come with
that. User-level programs can effectively use user level threads that run quite
effectively under linux. There are several implementations of the same -RTFM,
they are available on several sites (go do some homework)
A new page has been added for this campaign, it is available from
http://is.twi.tudelft.nl/~sharma/ustn.html
The number of responses has increased and we hope more persons will take
interest in this task.
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Kazimir Kylheku
Naresh Sharma - aio fac L en R <sha...@IS.TWI.TUDelft.NL> wrote:
>Martin Nisshagen (mar...@mts.se) wrote:
>: In article <SHARMA.95S...@dutiee.duticai.twi.tudelft.nl>,
>: sha...@dutiee.duticai.twi.tudelft.nl says...
>: >
>: >
>: >This is the third post to coax all those hibernating Linuxers to voice their
>: >opinion if they'd like to see MicroStation ported under linux. If you use
>: >linux+MicroStation please take part in this protest/survey/campaign to
>: >request Bentley to port it under your favorite Linux-OS.
>
>: Come on.. wouldn't it be better if Linux was fixed first and started to use
>: SMP and kernel threads first? Or even better; use a more professional Unix
>: like Solarix x86 instead.
>I have no problems about people who wish to squander money - go right ahead
>and buy Solaris (BTW check your spellings). I think solairs is a good OS, very
>good indeed, but Linux is BETTER!!
Solaris outright blows. Do you ever notice the pattern that whenver someone
attacks UNIX, Solaris gets mentioned as the bad example? Even die-hard UNIX
advocates have pet names for it, like Slowlaris, Sluglaris, and my personal
favourite, SCOLaris.
Sun actually had the nerve to rename it SunOS 5.x---presumably because
the word "Solaris" is bad for business. It's somewhat similar to the reason
that NMR (Nuclear Magnetic Resonance) equipment isn't called that when it is
used in medicine because the word "nuclear" has "bad karma". Instead,
it is called MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging).
The renaming of SunOS 4.x to Solaris 1.x underlines Sun's efforts to get
rid of SunOS.
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excuse me I rather like SunOS I'm using it right now(with X11R6, ok openwin sucks)
but other than that it's quite nice.
Kazimir Kylheku
John Hardin <jha...@wolfenet.com> wrote:
>Kazimir Kylheku (<c2a...@ugrad.cs.ubc.ca >) sez:
>>The renaming of SunOS 4.x to Solaris 1.x underlines Sun's efforts to get
>>rid of SunOS.
>
>but not as bad as Solaris?
>
>SunOS (yuck!) ---> Solaris (...oops!) ---> SunOS (oh, well.)
They also renamed Solaris to SunOS 5.x. Presumably this is to placate SunOS
lovers and to appear infallible.
Ravi Krishna Swamy
I *think* that officially Solaris 2 is a combination of SunOS 5.x and
OpenWindows 3.x. I'm pretty sure that my Solaris x86 documentation
claims something like "Solaris 2.4 is a combination of SunOS 5.x and
OpenWindows 3.4." BTW, uname -a says SunOS 5.4
Ravi
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David Wilkins
>Kazimir Kylheku (<c2a...@ugrad.cs.ubc.ca >) sez:
> [snip]
>>Sun actually had the nerve to rename it SunOS 5.x---presumably because
>>the word "Solaris" is bad for business.
>>The renaming of SunOS 4.x to Solaris 1.x underlines Sun's efforts to get
>>rid of SunOS.
>
>If that's the case then I don't quite follow their logic. SunOS was bad,
>but not as bad as Solaris?
>
>SunOS (yuck!) ---> Solaris (...oops!) ---> SunOS (oh, well.)
>
I guess someone should get this straight. First time around I resisted the
temptation, this time I cannot.... it should be pretty painless.
1. Sun did not rename SunOS 4.x to Solaris 1.x. They repackaged their software.
Solaris 1.x consisted of SunOS 4.x + X11R4 + OpenWindows 3.1 plus probably some
other components.
2. Solaris 1.x became Solaris 2.x when Sun released their UNIX SVR4 implementation.
They have not since renamed Solaris 2.x to SunOS 5.x, but again the latter is
the operating system sub-component of the former, which also includes X11R5 and
OpenWindows 3.4.
So you see it is really quite simple, and not illogical at all.
As for the choice of names, I guess it is only matter of taste. After all, when
I hear the word "linux", I always immediately think of Peanuts...
Dave.