The latest FOSS idiots ruined Thunderbird - again

[DFS]

Every few versions have a ridiculous and fatal regression: the inability
to send a Usenet post.

I recently installed the latest version of Thunderbird, 115.3.1. If I
start a reply but Save it before sending, afterwards the Send button
doesn't actually submit the post. The editing windows disappears, and
it saves a copy in the Sent folder, but the post is never actually
submitted to the news server.

If I start a reply but never hit Save, it submits just fine.

Pathetic.

Mozilla hobbyist devs are too busy looking for anti-diversity
microagressions in code comments.

[RabidPedagog]

Consider using Betterbird rather than Thunderbird. It's basically the
same program, but Betterbird has fixes and features that Thunderbird
will only get later on.

--
RabidPedagog
Galatians 6:7

[candycanearter07]

On 10/7/23 16:33, RabidPedagog wrote:
> Consider using Betterbird rather than Thunderbird. It's basically the
> same program, but Betterbird has fixes and features that Thunderbird
> will only get later on.
>

Is there an easy way to move all my accounts over? I have a bunch that I
don't want to manually put in.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

[DFS]

That reminds me: I forgot to send a Betterbird post I wrote the other
day. Look for it soon.

Meanwhile, I AM going to try Betterbird - right now. I'm sick of
Thunderbird screwing up the simplest thing.

[Joel]

Betterbird has been my secondary NNTP client, to Agent 8, for a while.

--
Joel Crump

[DFS]

On 10/7/2023 5:36 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 10/7/23 16:33, RabidPedagog wrote:
>> Consider using Betterbird rather than Thunderbird. It's basically the
>> same program, but Betterbird has fixes and features that Thunderbird
>> will only get later on.
>>
>
> Is there an easy way to move all my accounts over? I have a bunch that I
> don't want to manually put in.

I haven't looked at Betterbird yet (I'm literally going to right now),
but as it's a fork of TBird you shouldn't have to move anything. Just
setup Betterbird to point to the existing News folder and .rc file that
TBird uses.

I save my TBird Windows message stores to:
D:\newsgroups\Thunderbird\Profiles\DFS\News\smart mailboxes

You're on Linux, right? As I recall, the default TBird message location
is in your home folder, inside a hidden directory, something like
.k325oykl.default

[%]

> Betterbird has been my secondary NNTP client, to Agent 8, for a whilephobe.
>

[DFS]

On 10/7/2023 5:33 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:

Posting from Betterbird.

Slight UI bug during install: it wanted to create an email account, but
I didn't want to. When I clicked the box to continue the install
without setting up an email account, it disabled the Continue button.
Just clicked the X to close the dialog box.

Remaining setup identical to TBird - and it says I'm running the same
version as TBird (115.3.1-bb14 (64-bit)).

This post started as a reply, then edited, then saved, then reopened,
edited some more, and sent. Let's see if it works.

[candycanearter07]

On 10/7/23 16:58, DFS wrote:
> You're on Linux, right?  As I recall, the default TBird message location
> is in your home folder, inside a hidden directory, something like
> .k325oykl.default

Yes I am. That's convenient!

[Jörg Knobloch]

Am 07 Oct 2023 um 23:36 schrieb candycanearter07:
> Is there an easy way to move all my accounts over? I have a bunch that I
> don't want to manually put in.

Start `betterbird -p` and select the existing profile. Easy.
https://www.betterbird.eu/support/index.html#switch-tb-bb

--
Viele Grüße, Jörg
Sent with Betterbird. Simply better. www.betterbird.eu
Es ist immer wieder erstaunlich: Kaum macht man's richtig, schon
funktioniert's!

[RonB]

If I could still get Betterbird 102 instead of 115 I would look into it. I
don't like the new Thunderbird layout, so I'm not upgrading to it.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

[candycanearter07]

On 10/7/23 16:36, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 10/7/23 16:33, RabidPedagog wrote:
>> Consider using Betterbird rather than Thunderbird. It's basically the
>> same program, but Betterbird has fixes and features that Thunderbird
>> will only get later on.
>>
>
> Is there an easy way to move all my accounts over? I have a bunch that I
> don't want to manually put in.

Writing this from Betterbird, thanks for the tip!

[RonB]

On 2023-10-07, Jörg Knobloch <jo...@jorgk.com> wrote:
> Am 07 Oct 2023 um 23:36 schrieb candycanearter07:
>> Is there an easy way to move all my accounts over? I have a bunch that I
>> don't want to manually put in.
>
> Start `betterbird -p` and select the existing profile. Easy.
> https://www.betterbird.eu/support/index.html#switch-tb-bb

I installed it with FlatPak and, apparently, this option doesn't work in
that case. But it doesn't matter because right now I'm just testing it. I
found out that you can adjust the density of ThunderBird/BetterBird 115 to
get the lines closer together and, by adding two lines to the prefs.js file,
you can get AM/PM time display back (instead of 24 hour time) – so I may go
with this afterall. But right now I'll just test it since it's a FlatPak
installation it can alongside Thunderbird 102.

The two lines to prefs.js file I added (I found this, not smart enough to
figure it out my own)...

user_pref("intl.date_time.pattern_override.time_medium", "hh:mm:ss a");
user_pref("intl.date_time.pattern_override.time_short", "hh:mm a");

[RonB]

On 2023-10-07, candycanearter07 <n...@thanks.net> wrote:
> On 10/7/23 16:36, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 10/7/23 16:33, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>> Consider using Betterbird rather than Thunderbird. It's basically the
>>> same program, but Betterbird has fixes and features that Thunderbird
>>> will only get later on.
>>>
>>
>> Is there an easy way to move all my accounts over? I have a bunch that I
>> don't want to manually put in.
>
> Writing this from Betterbird, thanks for the tip!

One of the main reasons I didn't like ThunderBird/BetterBird 115 is because
how spread out the lines were but I found out there is a density setting
that makes it look basically like Thunderbird 102. So that and the AM/PM
setting and I'll probably (eventually) move to 115, unless I find something
else I don't like about it.

[Relf]

I don't know about Thunderbird but . . .
To Downgrade FireFox & keep your profile:

uninstall Firefox, Reboot, install, Reboot,

pass "FireFox.EXE -p --allow-downgrade" upon _initial_ launch.

[rbowman]

On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 00:28:19 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> On 2023-10-07, candycanearter07 <n...@thanks.net> wrote:
>> On 10/7/23 16:36, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> On 10/7/23 16:33, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>>> Consider using Betterbird rather than Thunderbird. It's basically the
>>>> same program, but Betterbird has fixes and features that Thunderbird
>>>> will only get later on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Is there an easy way to move all my accounts over? I have a bunch that
>>> I don't want to manually put in.
>>
>> Writing this from Betterbird, thanks for the tip!
>
> One of the main reasons I didn't like ThunderBird/BetterBird 115 is
> because how spread out the lines were but I found out there is a density
> setting that makes it look basically like Thunderbird 102. So that and
> the AM/PM setting and I'll probably (eventually) move to 115, unless I
> find something else I don't like about it.

I used Thunderbird for years for Usenet but switched to Pan when it got
annoyingly buggy. Betterbird seems to be strictly a mail client from a
brief experiment. I'm still on TBird 102 so if 105 really sucks I may
revisit Betterbird.

[DFS]

On 10/7/2023 7:26 PM, Jörg Knobloch wrote:
> Am 07 Oct 2023 um 23:36 schrieb candycanearter07:
>> Is there an easy way to move all my accounts over? I have a bunch that
>> I don't want to manually put in.
>
> Start `betterbird -p` and select the existing profile. Easy.
> https://www.betterbird.eu/support/index.html#switch-tb-bb

Small bug in Betterbird: when installing, it asks you to setup an email
account. When you check the box to install without setting up an email
account, it disables the Next button.

[RonB]

I haven't used Thunderbird for newsgroups in a long, long time – but I still
see the option to start a new newsgroup account in Betterbird 115 (as well
as Thunderbird 115). I don't know if you can still download Betterbird 102
any more. (I installed Betterbird via FlatPak in Linux Mint so I can test it
while Thunderbird 102 is still installed.) Both Thunderbird 115 and
Betterbird 115 are available as FlatPaks if you want to test them without
replacing Thunderbird 102.

[rbowman]

On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 16:26:41 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I haven't used Thunderbird for newsgroups in a long, long time – but I
> still see the option to start a new newsgroup account in Betterbird 115
> (as well as Thunderbird 115). I don't know if you can still download
> Betterbird 102 any more.

"Welcome to Betterbird version 102.15.1. Simply better.
Build details: os=Linux, locale=en-US, version=102.15.1,
buildid=2023-09-13 22:30:06.
You are up to date. Enjoy!"

i downloaded the tarball yesterday.

[RonB]

On 2023-10-08, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

Okay. I've downloaded it as a back up. I thought I had read on Betterbird's
front page that this was no longer available — but I must have scanned too
quickly.

[rbowman]

On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 15:53:48 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> On 2023-10-08, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 Oct 2023 16:26:41 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't used Thunderbird for newsgroups in a long, long time – but I
>>> still see the option to start a new newsgroup account in Betterbird
>>> 115 (as well as Thunderbird 115). I don't know if you can still
>>> download Betterbird 102 any more.
>>
>> "Welcome to Betterbird version 102.15.1. Simply better. Build details:
>> os=Linux, locale=en-US, version=102.15.1,
>> buildid=2023-09-13 22:30:06.
>> You are up to date. Enjoy!"
>>
>> i downloaded the tarball yesterday.
>
> Okay. I've downloaded it as a back up. I thought I had read on
> Betterbird's front page that this was no longer available — but I must
> have scanned too quickly.

After a Ubuntu update/reboot yesterday I have Thunderbird 115. So far it
doesn't seem much different.

[DG]

On 9 Oct 2023 19:41:03 GMT, rbowman wrote:

>
> After a Ubuntu update/reboot yesterday I have Thunderbird 115. So far it
>

Do you mean to fucking tell me that Unbuntu does forced updates
like that pile of junk known as Microslop?*

Who is in fucking control of your machine? You or Ubuntu?

As I previously stated, Android is NOT Linux and Ubuntu is NOT
Linux.

The FSF and its great leader Dr. Richard M. Stallman strongly advocate
that only the user should be allowed to control his machine. That
is the spirit of Linux and that's why Android/Ubuntu et. al. fail.

By the way, Thunderbird is sickening garbage. The very best, by far,
email client is Sylpheed. (Look it up. Do you expect me to your fucking
work for you?)

Don't be a fucking asshole for your entire life. Get Sylpheed and make
Sylpheed your only email client.

Diego Garcia

Every woman's dream.

Every man's nightmare.

[Relf]

> -- Diego Garcia, Every woman's dream, Every man's nightmare.

Tell us about all those kids you have, Incel.

[DG]

On Mon, 09 Oct 2023 20:13:26 +0000, DG wrote:

>
> As I previously stated, Android is NOT Linux and Ubuntu is NOT
> Linux.
>

What the fuck is this?

I make a brilliant comment and no one responds?

What the fuck is the matter with you degenerate deadbeats?

GNU/Linux is the greatest and most potent OS in the history
of technical man.

So respond. I said, fucking respond!

And I want substantive, technical comments and not juvenile
pussy banter.

C'mon! Get movin'!

Lackluster fucking deadbeats.

[Joel]

DG <d...@veronica.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 09 Oct 2023 20:13:26 +0000, DG wrote:
>
>> As I previously stated, Android is NOT Linux and Ubuntu is NOT
>> Linux.
>
>What the fuck is this?
>
>I make a brilliant comment and no one responds?
>
>What the fuck is the matter with you degenerate deadbeats?
>
>GNU/Linux is the greatest and most potent OS in the history
>of technical man.
>
>So respond. I said, fucking respond!
>
>And I want substantive, technical comments and not juvenile
>pussy banter.
>
>C'mon! Get movin'!
>
>Lackluster fucking deadbeats.

Linux powers Android and ChromeOS, just as Unix powers macOS.
Microsoft's Windows NT line is the only other platform of any
significance, but Linux is the obvious choice for large scale servers
and supercomputers, and thus overall is really the larger platform
unless we blow desktop OS use out of proportion - it has a lot of
numbers, obviously important to the market, but if Windows is
strongest in that particular market, it illustrates that it has
drawbacks for larger scale use.

I would also point out that the server market for NT is a corporate,
specialty IT platform, to compare that to an Internet hub handling
massive data nonstop, is absurd, or the many other advanced uses of
Linux on servers. NT can compete on performance with Linux (on
hardware sufficient for it), but its design leaves much to be desired
for some important purposes.

--
Joel Crump

[DFS]

On 10/10/2023 5:21 PM, Larry "DG" Pietraskiewicz wrote:


> Every woman's dream.

If she's trans, maybe. And broke and looking for a sofa to sleep on.

You do have a couple things in your favor:

1) your 1998 Pontiac Grand Am is a poosy-magnet

2) women love to listen to a wackjob rant and rave about "GuhNoo slash
Linux!" all day and night.

[RabidPedagog]

My wife gets moist at the thought of Wretched Stallman, admittedly.

[Joel]

DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>On 10/10/2023 5:21 PM, Larry "DG" Pietraskiewicz wrote:
>
>> Every woman's dream.
>
>If she's trans, maybe. And broke and looking for a sofa to sleep on.

Why was it necessary to bring trans women into this?

>You do have a couple things in your favor:
>
>1) your 1998 Pontiac Grand Am is a poosy-magnet
>
>2) women love to listen to a wackjob rant and rave about "GuhNoo slash
> Linux!" all day and night.

This part is funny.

--
Joel Crump

[RonB]

I guess I made the wrong selection on blocking Thunderbird 115 as one of the
computers that I thought I had blocked from the update, updated anyhow. It
looks like they've fixed the AM/PM vs 24 hour thing – and you're right, it's
not a whole lot different once you customize it. I'm using it with Birdtray
now to show when new emails come in. (Birdtray works with the older
Thunderbird as well.) On this computer I still have Thunderbird 102 and
Betterbird 115.

[RonB]

Are you ever NOT in rant mode?

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-10-12 1:23 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2023-10-09, DG <d...@veronica.net> wrote:
>> On 9 Oct 2023 19:41:03 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> After a Ubuntu update/reboot yesterday I have Thunderbird 115. So far it
>>>
>>
>> Do you mean to fucking tell me that Unbuntu does forced updates
>> like that pile of junk known as Microslop?*
>>
>> Who is in fucking control of your machine? You or Ubuntu?
>>
>> As I previously stated, Android is NOT Linux and Ubuntu is NOT
>> Linux.
>>
>> The FSF and its great leader Dr. Richard M. Stallman strongly advocate
>> that only the user should be allowed to control his machine. That
>> is the spirit of Linux and that's why Android/Ubuntu et. al. fail.
>>
>> By the way, Thunderbird is sickening garbage. The very best, by far,
>> email client is Sylpheed. (Look it up. Do you expect me to your fucking
>> work for you?)
>>
>> Don't be a fucking asshole for your entire life. Get Sylpheed and make
>> Sylpheed your only email client.
>>
>> Diego Garcia
>>
>> Every woman's dream.
>>
>> Every man's nightmare.
>
> Are you ever NOT in rant mode?

You'd be surprised what a lifetime of being ignored by women will do to
a person.

[DFS]

Hopefully your next child isn't born with a neckbeard.

[DFS]

On 10/11/2023 12:36 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>> On 10/10/2023 5:21 PM, Larry "DG" Pietraskiewicz wrote:
>>
>>> Every woman's dream.
>>
>> If she's trans, maybe. And broke and looking for a sofa to sleep on.
>
>
> Why was it necessary to bring trans women into this?

Because only a trans woman could be attracted to Feeb, or be nice enough
to throw a pity lay his way.

(you can't actually change your gender or identify as the opposite sex,
but it's a convenient term).

>> You do have a couple things in your favor:
>>
>> 1) your 1998 Pontiac Grand Am is a poosy-magnet
>>
>> 2) women love to listen to a wackjob rant and rave about "GuhNoo slash
>> Linux!" all day and night.
>
>
> This part is funny.

I had a poosy-magnet car in high school and college, and women loved to
drive it: 1976 BMW 2002, given to me by my father.

[Joel]

DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>On 10/11/2023 12:36 PM, Joel wrote:
>> DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>>> On 10/10/2023 5:21 PM, Larry "DG" Pietraskiewicz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Every woman's dream.
>>>
>>> If she's trans, maybe. And broke and looking for a sofa to sleep on.
>>
>> Why was it necessary to bring trans women into this?
>
>Because only a trans woman could be attracted to Feeb, or be nice enough
>to throw a pity lay his way.
>
>(you can't actually change your gender or identify as the opposite sex,
>but it's a convenient term).

You know my GF is trans, right?

--
Joel Crump

[DFS]

On 10/12/2023 6:58 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>> On 10/11/2023 12:36 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>> On 10/10/2023 5:21 PM, Larry "DG" Pietraskiewicz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Every woman's dream.
>>>>
>>>> If she's trans, maybe. And broke and looking for a sofa to sleep on.
>>>
>>> Why was it necessary to bring trans women into this?
>>
>> Because only a trans woman could be attracted to Feeb, or be nice enough
>> to throw a pity lay his way.
>>
>> (you can't actually change your gender or identify as the opposite sex,
>> but it's a convenient term).
>
>
> You know my GF is trans, right?

No he's not. He's a gay male who gets erections that he's not flexible
enough to suck.

[Joel]

DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:

>> You know my GF is trans, right?
>
>No he's not. He's a gay male who gets erections that he's not flexible
>enough to suck.

She's a very beautiful and intelligent woman. She just has male
genitals.

--
Joel Crump

[RabidPedagog]

The current one is enough of a handful that we're not planning for a second.

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-10-12 6:58 p.m., Joel wrote:
> DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>> On 10/11/2023 12:36 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>> On 10/10/2023 5:21 PM, Larry "DG" Pietraskiewicz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Every woman's dream.
>>>>
>>>> If she's trans, maybe. And broke and looking for a sofa to sleep on.
>>>
>>> Why was it necessary to bring trans women into this?
>>
>> Because only a trans woman could be attracted to Feeb, or be nice enough
>> to throw a pity lay his way.
>>
>> (you can't actually change your gender or identify as the opposite sex,
>> but it's a convenient term).
>
>
> You know my GF is trans, right?

The delusional man you're dating believes that he is a woman, yes.

[RabidPedagog]

I don't think it is even feasible for you to become any more retarded
than you are.

[%]

i can see you getting more and more faster as ,
you read the dirty feedback and wang off

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

Le 08-10-2023, Relf <Use...@Jeff-Relf.Me> a écrit :
> I don't know about Thunderbird but . . .
> To Downgrade FireFox & keep your profile:
>
> uninstall Firefox, Reboot, install, Reboot,
>
> pass "FireFox.EXE -p --allow-downgrade" upon _initial_ launch.

Why two reboots are needed to uninstall and reinstall a program?

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

Le 09-10-2023, DG <d...@veronica.net> a écrit :
>
> As I previously stated,

What do you like in repeating your mistakes? To be sure nobody misses
your lack of knowledge? It's easier to be wrong than to learn?

> Android is NOT Linux

Wrong.

> and Ubuntu is NOT Linux.

Wrong. Again.

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-10-29 7:03 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 08-10-2023, Relf <Use...@Jeff-Relf.Me> a écrit :
>> I don't know about Thunderbird but . . .
>> To Downgrade FireFox & keep your profile:
>>
>> uninstall Firefox, Reboot, install, Reboot,
>>
>> pass "FireFox.EXE -p --allow-downgrade" upon _initial_ launch.
>
> Why two reboots are needed to uninstall and reinstall a program?

Seriously, +1.

--
RabidPedagog
TG: @RabidPedagog
Galatians 6:7