On 2024-02-14 2:15 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-02-14, Tyrone <no...@none.none> wrote:
>> On Feb 13, 2024 at 5:46:12 PM EST, "Farley Flud" <f...@linux.rocks> wrote:
>>
>>> All I can say is this: Most popular GNU/Linux distros present
>>> GUIs that appear to be designed by schoolchildren during
>>> recess.
>>
>> It is actually much worse than that. They are "designed" by programmers who
>> don't have a clue about visual design.
>
> Really? Because Cinnamon looks a whole lot like Windows 10 and 11. And so
> does Mate and Xfce the way Linux Mint sets it up.
Windows 11 looks better than Cinnamon whereas Cinnamon looks better than
10. 10 has a clunky feel to it that no amount of updates can eradicate.
Nevertheless, Cinnamon is a lot more responsive than either 11 or 10 can
hope to be. A lot of people, myself included, would gladly sacrifice
aesthetics for snappy behaviour.
>> I have made this point before. Congratulations. You are beginning to see
>> reality.
>>
>> I have been programming for over 30 years. Yes, professionally and get paid
>> good money for it. It would never occur to me to attempt to design a screen.
>> No Project Manager would even ASK me to do it. Someone else designs it. PMs DO
>> want me to figure out the code and logic on the back end to do what is needed
>> for the pretty screen front end.
>>
>> That's how it works in the real world. Good visual design is a VERY different
>> skill set than good coding and logic.
>>
>>> Can there be any doubt that most people would just puke
>>> and return to Microslop Winblows?
>>
>> This is why Windows and Macs are so successful. They look good because they
>> employ actual professional designers and are easy to use for non computer
>> nerds. Linux does neither.
>
> And Linux can look almost exactly like Windows or Mac OS when customized.
Look like but not behave like. With the use of Flatpaks, Linux is
getting close to the Mac in terms of simplicity for application
installation and uninstallation since no remnants are left behind, but
the Mac is still a lot more comprehensive. Since the very beginning, it
was built to be as intuitive as possible and it is indeed as intuitive
as possible. Don't want an app? Drag it to the trash. Want to add a
picture to your e-mail? Drag it to the compose window. Want to add a
logo to a document you're writing? Drag it to the document editor.
Everyone has tried to imitate it and only partially succeeded. However,
even if they managed to get it right, they have something else to figure
out: how to make the imitator as power efficient and reliable as Macs
generally are. I can _easily_ get over ten hours of battery life on the
MacBook Air whereas compromises are necessary for a PC. Even if I
managed to get ten hours on a PC, the battery will be larger and speed
will be a fraction of what it was the moment I unplug the unit. With the
Mac, there is no difference in performance when it is unplugged. If the
PC can migrate to ARM and do it properly, they can offer something
alluring to a customer who doesn't care about gaming. If not, Mac's
market share will only grow.
Notice I haven't even mentioned how beautifully the Mac integrates with
other Apple products. You won't be able to do anything as seamless with
either Windows or Linux.
>>> GNU/Linux is by far the superior OS
>>
>> Except that it is unusable due to the above. Not usable rules it out as
>> "superior". Usability counts. MacOS is THE superior OS, being Unix AND looking
>> good AND easy to use for non computer nerds.
>
> Strangely enough it's been quite usable by me for some 17-18 years. Maybe
> some examples of why you think is "unusable?" Because I, personally think
> the Cinnamon desktop is superior to both Windows and Mac OS.
It's a fantastic desktop environment and gives Linux users something
they won't need to constantly fight against to get work done. Cinnamon
just gives the user a comprehensive experience whereas other desktop
environments seem to want to cater to developers who adapt very easily
to interface changes. Cinnamon is familiar and easy to understand,
something that can't be said about Gnome or KDE if you put yourself in
the shoes of an average user.
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