Schestowitz wrong again
Tim Smith
Moonlight and Mono enable Linux users (and Mac PPC users) to watch
streaming Obama inauguration:
<http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Jan-20.html>
Roy said this would never happen. Microsoft would never let Moonlight
advance to handle the current version of Silverlight. Well, not only
did they "allow" it, they provided help late into the night to help the
Mono/Moonlight developers test.
Not that any Linux user actually needed this to watch the inauguration.
Dozens of sites streamed it, in many different formats. Roy made it
sound like the Silverlight-based site was the *only* online way to
watch.
--
--Tim Smith
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Moonlight and Mono enable Linux users (and Mac PPC users) to watch
> streaming Obama inauguration:
>
> <http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Jan-20.html>
>
> Roy said this would never happen. Microsoft would never let Moonlight
> advance to handle the current version of Silverlight. Well, not only
> did they "allow" it, they provided help late into the night to help the
> Mono/Moonlight developers test.
How very comforting.
> Not that any Linux user actually needed this to watch the inauguration.
> Dozens of sites streamed it, in many different formats. Roy made it
> sound like the Silverlight-based site was the *only* online way to
> watch.
Don't you realize that *you* are the only one who hangs on Roy's every word?
Everyone else takes his quips with a grain of salt.
Anyway, not that I'm tempted to check, but I note Debian is not listed as
compatible with Moonlight. Moon certainly isn't in the Debian repos, though
mono is.
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Someone who comes from out of town and shows slides.
RonB
>> Roy said this would never happen. Microsoft would never let Moonlight
>> advance to handle the current version of Silverlight. Well, not only
>> did they "allow" it, they provided help late into the night to help the
>> Mono/Moonlight developers test.
>
> How very comforting.
Strangely enough I was able to watch the streaming video on my Linux machine
without mono or moonlight.
--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
Hadron
cc
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Tim Smith belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
> > Moonlight and Mono enable Linux users (and Mac PPC users) to watch
> > streaming Obama inauguration:
>
> > <http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Jan-20.html>
>
> > Roy said this would never happen. Microsoft would never let Moonlight
> > advance to handle the current version of Silverlight. Well, not only
> > did they "allow" it, they provided help late into the night to help the
> > Mono/Moonlight developers test.
>
> How very comforting.
>
> > Not that any Linux user actually needed this to watch the inauguration.
> > Dozens of sites streamed it, in many different formats. Roy made it
> > sound like the Silverlight-based site was the *only* online way to
> > watch.
>
> Don't you realize that *you* are the only one who hangs on Roy's every word?
>
Everyone hangs on everyone's word in here. It is the entire purpose of
COLA. I made a typo 3 years ago, and it will surely be shoved in my
face when needed. The idea is not to have Roy acknowledge his mistake,
because that never happens, and not just for Roy. But maybe next time
when the topic of moonlight comes up, he'll have new evidence to pull
from to make more informed posts.
Don Zeigler
> Everyone hangs on everyone's word in here.
No one hangs on yours. Fuck off.
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High Plains Thumper
Same here. Just more FUD from Tim. Nothing to see, move along ....
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Tim Smith
High Plains Thumper <highplai...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > Strangely enough I was able to watch the streaming video on my
> > Linux machine without mono or moonlight.
>
> Same here. Just more FUD from Tim. Nothing to see, move along ....
You *agree* with me, and then say it is FUD!? I specifically mentioned
it was available on dozens of sites and in many formats, so Linux users
didn't need to use Mono or Moonlight.
--
--Tim Smith
DFS
> RonB wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>>> Roy said this would never happen. Microsoft would never
>>>> let Moonlight advance to handle the current version of
>>>> Silverlight. Well, not only did they "allow" it, they
>>>> provided help late into the night to help the
>>>> Mono/Moonlight developers test.
>>> How very comforting.
>>
>> Strangely enough I was able to watch the streaming video on my
>> Linux machine without mono or moonlight.
>
> Same here. Just more FUD from Tim. Nothing to see, move along ....
What FUD?
Tim made Spamowitz look like an uninformed zealous fool. Again.
chrisv
>>
>> Everyone hangs on everyone's word in here.
Really? I wonder how I could be "hanging on" the words of the two
dozen idiots who occupy my bozo bin?
Rex Ballard
> Moonlight and Mono enable Linux users (and Mac PPC users) to watch
> streaming Obama inauguration:
> <http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Jan-20.html>
> Roy said this would never happen. Microsoft would never let Moonlight
> advance to handle the current version of Silverlight. Well, not only
> did they "allow" it, they provided help late into the night to help the
> Mono/Moonlight developers test.
And it still wasn't enough. I tried to install Moonlight on a RHEL5
Desktop system before the inauguration and it wouldn't install.
Microsoft's token efforts to give Mono legitimacy and avoid more
claims of monopoly building, backfired.
> Not that any Linux user actually needed this to watch the inauguration.
> Dozens of sites streamed it, in many different formats. Roy made it
> sound like the Silverlight-based site was the *only* online way to
> watch.
MSNBC - Micrcosoft's partner with NBC, announced a really nifty new
feature that was going to create a 3D image of the inauguration using
all of the cell phone pictures sent to MSNBC during the event.
Microsoft was providing the software - and you found out when you
tried to look at the picture, that you needed Silverlight to view the
nifty new picture. Of course, it didn't work on FireFox on Windows
either, and I didn't bother firing up IE, because - as you point out,
there were lots of "Traditional" feeds. In addition, CNN did a
similar composite using a Linux/Solaris based solution, which worked
pretty well on Linux.
I've been enjoying MSNBC, especially Keith Oberman and Rachel Maddow,
for their light-hearted and often comical treatment of the news. I'm
sure it won't be long before they turn their guns on Obama. It seems
like MSNBC has found a "formula" of just tearing apart the current
administration, regardless of who it is. Chris Mathews is already
ripping into the Obama administration for Geitner. The irony is that
he was one of those recommended by the Republicans as well as the
Democrats.
Does this mean that Fox, the great defender of the status quo, will
suddenly become Liberal?
the MSNBC web site did have a "live" feed of the inauguration, but the
delay was substantial, and during the actual swearing in, the server
disconnected me. I wonder how many other people lost the feed at the
critical moment. Par for the course for Microsoft.
Fortunately, my DVR (*nix powered) recorded the critical moment, as
well as the Fox channel. I also watched the CNN feed via Internet.
> --Tim Smith
Peter Köhlmann
Strange that I can't see Snot Glassers idiocy. Or that from "cc", for that
matter.
Both are killfiled, and only quoting will elevate their drivel to make it
to my screen
--
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none.
Hadron
> On Jan 20, 9:21 pm, Tim Smith <reply_in_gr...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>> Moonlight and Mono enable Linux users (and Mac PPC users) to watch
>> streaming Obama inauguration:
>> <http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Jan-20.html>
>
>> Roy said this would never happen. Microsoft would never let Moonlight
>> advance to handle the current version of Silverlight. Well, not only
>> did they "allow" it, they provided help late into the night to help the
>> Mono/Moonlight developers test.
>
> And it still wasn't enough. I tried to install Moonlight on a RHEL5
> Desktop system before the inauguration and it wouldn't install.
> Microsoft's token efforts to give Mono legitimacy and avoid more
> claims of monopoly building, backfired.
You are blaming MS for a Linux clone not installing on Red Hat?
Roy Schestowitz
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____/ High Plains Thumper on Wednesday 21 January 2009 13:43 : \____
>
>
> RonB wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>>> Roy said this would never happen. Microsoft would never
>>>> let Moonlight advance to handle the current version of
>>>> Silverlight.
True. It's still true. Moonlight is "lead pony".
>>>> Well, not only did they "allow" it, they
>>>> provided help late into the night to help the
>>>> Mono/Moonlight developers test.
The generous Microsoft!!!
http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-01-20-015-35-NW-SW-0009
" Microsoft will love you if you do.
However, before you do you should understand Microsoft’s thinking about
this topic. Jame Plamondon, although the first head of dirty tricks at
Microsoft he has done a mea culpa, wrote a training manual for his troops
entitled “Effective Evangelism”.
http://platformevangelism.spaces.live.com/blog/cns !37F174267DC274C!152.entry
Under the paragraph entitled “Evangelism is War” he wrote:
Every line of code that is written to our standards is a small victory;
every line of code that is written to any other standard, is a small defeat.
Total victory … is the universal adoption of our standards by developers, as
this is an important step towards total victory for Microsoft itself: “A
computer on every desk and in every home, running Microsoft software.”
MONO and Moonlight are BIG victories for Microsoft, because it keeps some
developers and distros dancing to Microsoft’s tune. In the future, after
enough applications and distros have Microsoft technology buried too deep into
their work to be easily removed without starting over, they should not be
surprised when (not if) Microsoft pulls their plug by extending (sound
familiar?) those two technologies with patented and proprietary components
that leave them setting on a desert island unless they give up their FOSS
freedom completely and move onto the Microsoft plantation. THAT would be
the “total victory” that Microsoft strives for.
Fortunately, no current distro that I am familiar with depends on MONO for
its essential activities. You can check you installation by using the “locate”
command from a root console to search for “libmono”. If you find files with
those characters in their names use Synaptic (or what ever) to select those
libraries and remove them. Then reboot. If you distro doesn’t come back up
then your distro is hooked. IF it does come back up then check for “Beagle”
and other apps which use MONO and see if they still work. IF they do then
you’ve missed some mono libraries. If they don’t then remove them as well.
DON’T GIVE MICROSOFT ITS VICTORY!
—
GreyGeek"
>>> How very comforting.
>>
>> Strangely enough I was able to watch the streaming video on my
>> Linux machine without mono or moonlight.
>
> Same here. Just more FUD from Tim. Nothing to see, move along ....
Tim's stalking is bordering the disease and the miserable.
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chrisv
>You *agree* with me, and then say it is FUD!? I specifically mentioned
>it was available on dozens of sites and in many formats, so Linux users
>didn't need to use Mono or Moonlight.
A fart that smells like roses is still a fart. 8)
Peter Köhlmann
And he is right. Moonlight is problematic to install on anything besides
SuSE/Novell. On those install is dead easy
--
Don't steal. Microsoft hates competition.
Tim Smith
Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-01-20-015-35-NW-SW-0009
He's very confused. He doesn't seem to know the difference between
specifications and implementations, and between closed source and
open source.
...
> Tim's stalking is bordering the disease and the miserable.
You still haven't explained how it is "stalking" to occasionally read
your website, and occasionally point out the errors you make there.
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Rex Ballard
Tim claims that Microsoft did everything they needed to do to support
Mono/Moonlight and make sure that it was ready for a major event that
was supposed to be a major demonstration of Microsoft's newest toy.
I pointed out that whatever Microsoft contributed, it wasn't enough.
Doug Mentohl
> He's very confused. He doesn't seem to know the difference between specifications and implementations, and between closed source and open source.
"When a developer contributes code to the C# compiler or the Mono
runtime engine, we require that the author grants Novell the right to
relicense his/her contribution under other licensing terms"
Peter Köhlmann
It was enough. Moonlight was ready for download for SuSE/Novell
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Miguel de Icaza
> And he is right.Moonlight is problematic to install on anything besidesSuSE/Novell. On those install is dead easy
I suspect you did not even try to install it, did you?
Moonlight is installed as Firefox plugin and we test this on all sorts
of Unix systems (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora and SUSE) and it works like
this:
1. Click on download from www.go-mono.com/download (we auto-detect
your platform, so you do not need to do anything).
2. Click "Install" when you are prompted for install or cancel
3. Restart the browser.
The experience is *identical* for all the systems.
Miguel.
Peter Köhlmann
> Hello,
>
>> And he is right.Moonlight is problematic to install on anything
>> besidesSuSE/Novell. On those install is dead easy
>
> I suspect you did not even try to install it, did you?
I have installed it. Runs fine so far
> Moonlight is installed as Firefox plugin and we test this on all sorts
> of Unix systems (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora and SUSE) and it works like
> this:
>
> 1. Click on download from www.go-mono.com/download (we auto-detect
> your platform, so you do not need to do anything).
> 2. Click "Install" when you are prompted for install or cancel
> 3. Restart the browser.
>
> The experience is *identical* for all the systems.
>
> Miguel.
Right. For *Moonlight* it is.
Now tell us all about the many default installations for Mono, needed to
run it. SuSE/Novell offer it by default. Most others don't
--
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a trail of destruction behind it.
Sermo Malifer
> Tim Smith wrote:
>
>> He's very confused. He doesn't seem to know the difference between
>> specifications and implementations, and between closed source and open
>> source.
" Why does Novell require a copyright assignment?"
> "When a developer contributes code to the C# compiler or the Mono
> runtime engine, we require that the author grants Novell the right to
> relicense his/her contribution under other licensing terms"
"This allows Novell to re-distribute the Mono source code to parties
that might not want to use the GPL or LGPL versions of the code."
"Particularly embedded system vendors obtain grants to the Mono runtime
engine and modify it for their own purposes without having to release
those changes back. "
> http://www.mono-project.com/FAQ:_Licensing
" What license or licenses are you using for the Mono Project?
We use three open source licenses:
* The C# compiler is dual-licensed under the MIT/X11 license and
the GNU General Public License
(http://www.opensource.org/licenses/gpl-license.html) (GPL).
* The tools are released under the terms of the GNU General Public
License (http://www.opensource.org/licenses/gpl-license.html) (GPL).
* The runtime libraries are under the GNU Library GPL 2.0
(http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/library.html#TOC1) (LGPL 2.0).
* The class libraries are released under the terms of the MIT X11
(http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.html) license.
Both the Mono runtime and the Mono C# Compiler are also available under
a proprietary license for those who can not use the LGPL and the GPL in
their code. "
Roy Schestowitz
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Where does one acquire a licence to use it? From Novell?
You know, even Dan O'Brian acknowledges that it may be a patent problem.
You can't fool people forever.
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Terry Porter
> Hello,
>
>> And he is right.Moonlight is problematic to install on anything
>> besidesSuSE/Novell. On those install is dead easy
>
> I suspect you did not even try to install it, did you?
>
> Moonlight is installed as Firefox plugin and we test this on all sorts
> of Unix systems (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora and SUSE) and it works like
> this:
>
> 1. Click on download from www.go-mono.com/download (we auto-detect
Not Found
The requested URL /download was not found on this server.
Apache/2 Server at www.go-mono.com Port 80
> your platform, so you do not need to do anything).
> 2. Click "Install" when you are prompted for install or cancel
> 3. Restart the browser.
>
> The experience is *identical* for all the systems.
>
> Miguel.
And not available for Gentoo via the released packages.
gronk1 mnt # emerge -s moonlight
Searching...
[ Results for search key : moonlight ]
[ Applications found : 0 ]
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Roy Schestowitz
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____/ Terry Porter on Wednesday 21 January 2009 23:45 : \____
>
>
> Miguel de Icaza wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>>> And he is right.Moonlight is problematic to install on anything
>>> besidesSuSE/Novell. On those install is dead easy
>>
>> I suspect you did not even try to install it, did you?
>>
>> Moonlight is installed as Firefox plugin and we test this on all sorts
>> of Unix systems (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora and SUSE) and it works like
>> this:
>>
>> 1. Click on download from www.go-mono.com/download (we auto-detect
> Not Found
>
> The requested URL /download was not found on this server.
> Apache/2 Server at www.go-mono.com Port 80
>
>
>> your platform, so you do not need to do anything).
>> 2. Click "Install" when you are prompted for install or cancel
>> 3. Restart the browser.
>>
>> The experience is *identical* for all the systems.
>>
>> Miguel.
>
> And not available for Gentoo via the released packages.
>
> gronk1 mnt # emerge -s moonlight
> Searching...
> [ Results for search key : moonlight ]
> [ Applications found : 0 ]
That's a good thing. Well done, Gentoo.
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Sinister Midget
> Miguel de Icaza wrote:
>> I suspect you did not even try to install it, did you?
>>
>> Moonlight is installed as Firefox plugin and we test this on all sorts
>> of Unix systems (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora and SUSE) and it works like
>> this:
>>
>> 1. Click on download from www.go-mono.com/download (we auto-detect
> Not Found
>
> The requested URL /download was not found on this server.
> Apache/2 Server at www.go-mono.com Port 80
You weren't supposed to *try* it!
But I _did_ find the download link. Despite my using a version of
Ubuntu right now, it doesn't know what I have. But I can go to the
"unsupported downloads" section, where I'm told how to pollute my
sources.list with mono (which also happens to be the nickname for a
disease; coincidence?) if they aren't already polluted.
Which reminds me. Time to change distros again:
http://www.mono-project.com/Other_Downloads
Ubuntu
Official Packages
Mono is available in all Ubuntu releases, and installed by default.
To develop software with Mono, install the mono-devel package on
Dapper (6.06), Gutsy (7.10) or Jaunty (9.04), by pasting the line
below into your browser address bar (or using synaptic):
I don't think so. I choose to remain Microslop-free.
>> your platform, so you do not need to do anything).
>> 2. Click "Install" when you are prompted for install or cancel
>> 3. Restart the browser.
>>
>> The experience is *identical* for all the systems.
> And not available for Gentoo via the released packages.
>
> gronk1 mnt # emerge -s moonlight
> Searching...
> [ Results for search key : moonlight ]
> [ Applications found : 0 ]
Why would you want it anyway? It's not like there aren't other, safer
methods to view content.
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Terry Porter
> On 2009-01-21, Terry Porter <lin...@netspace.net.au> claimed:
>> Miguel de Icaza wrote:
>
>>> I suspect you did not even try to install it, did you?
>>>
>>> Moonlight is installed as Firefox plugin and we test this on all sorts
>>> of Unix systems (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora and SUSE) and it works like
>>> this:
>>>
>>> 1. Click on download from www.go-mono.com/download (we auto-detect
>> Not Found
>>
>> The requested URL /download was not found on this server.
>> Apache/2 Server at www.go-mono.com Port 80
>
> You weren't supposed to *try* it!
Always pays to check for validity :)
>
> But I _did_ find the download link. Despite my using a version of
> Ubuntu right now, it doesn't know what I have. But I can go to the
> "unsupported downloads" section, where I'm told how to pollute my
> sources.list with mono (which also happens to be the nickname for a
> disease; coincidence?) if they aren't already polluted.
>
> Which reminds me. Time to change distros again:
>
> http://www.mono-project.com/Other_Downloads
>
> Ubuntu
> Official Packages
>
> Mono is available in all Ubuntu releases, and installed by default.
> To develop software with Mono, install the mono-devel package on
> Dapper (6.06), Gutsy (7.10) or Jaunty (9.04), by pasting the line
> below into your browser address bar (or using synaptic):
>
> I don't think so. I choose to remain Microslop-free.
Ditto.
>
>>> your platform, so you do not need to do anything).
>>> 2. Click "Install" when you are prompted for install or cancel
>>> 3. Restart the browser.
>>>
>>> The experience is *identical* for all the systems.
>
>> And not available for Gentoo via the released packages.
>>
>> gronk1 mnt # emerge -s moonlight
>> Searching...
>> [ Results for search key : moonlight ]
>> [ Applications found : 0 ]
>
> Why would you want it anyway?
I *don't*. I was only checking to see if it was available for Gentoo, but it
isn't.
If it was, I would have installed it to see if it installed easily as
claimed, then uninstalled it.
> It's not like there aren't other, safer
> methods to view content.
Absolutely, besides I don't trust Novel post their Microsoft deal.
George Barca
Putting a / at the end of the link made it work for me, however
it was extremely confusing at that point so IMHO it's not a
simple download at all.
George Barca
georgeb...@geeeeemale.com
Miguel de Icaza
> >> besidesSuSE/Novell. On those install is dead easy
[...]
> Right. For *Moonlight* it is.
So we agree then: Moonlight is easy to install.
Your original post said that it was not, I accept your apology.
> Now tell us all about the many default installations for Mono, needed to
> run it. SuSE/Novell offer it by default. Most others don't
Moonlight 1.0 does not use Mono.
Moonlight 2.0 will bundle a subset of Mono, does not require a
previous install to work.
I am glad that I was able to provide some free education for you
today, you know, learn one new thing every day.
Miguel de Icaza
Correct. When you get Moonlight, you get it under the terms of the
GNU LGPL + MIT X11 license.
Btw, it is spelled "license", not "licence".
Miguel