Bestbuy - iPad is killing netbook sales by 50%
Ezekiel
Best Buy sees steep drop in TVs offset by phones, iPad
updated 10:40 am EST, Tue December 14, 2010
Best Buy drops on poor TVs sales but helped by iPad
The company wouldn't mention the iPad by name but was selling Apple's tablet
almost exclusively for the three-month span. Samsung's Galaxy Tab only
reached the US in November, at the end of the period, and wouldn't have been
a major factor. Best Buy has gone on record in the past as saying that the
iPad was cutting netbook sales in half in those retail stores that were
carrying the tablet and has just recently begun selling the iPad through its
online store.
</quote>
http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/12/14/best.buy.drops.on.poor.tvs.but.helped.by.ipad/
Hadron
Clearly a Microsoft monopoly err, attack on Freedom .... Surely the COLA
"advocates" scoffed at the iPad and assured is it would flop.
footnote : yes, I DO know that the iPad is Apple ....
Ezekiel
"Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Advocate predictions have been historically very poor. No real news there.
But what's interesting here to me is that people who buy iPads don't seem to
be bothered by monopolies, lock-in, herd mentality or any of the other
excuses.
Hadron
Yes. Amazing isn't it. Jed (he of the green screen and rhymes and
riddles) was just explaining that Win 7 hasn't been a success at all
and, err, the only reason its a success (yes I know) is that MS has a
monopoly from the MS DOS days.
Chris Ahlstrom
You mean iPad is killing Windows netbook sales, I believe.
Subject corrected.
I thought you were more of a Win-troll than a Mac-troll. :-)
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Proceed by induction: induction
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Chris Ahlstrom
> "Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ie88ko$qbi$4...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Ezekiel" <no_...@fake-zeke.com> writes:
>>
>>> <quote>
>>> Best Buy sees steep drop in TVs offset by phones, iPad
>>> updated 10:40 am EST, Tue December 14, 2010
>>> Best Buy drops on poor TVs sales but helped by iPad
>>>
>>> http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/12/14/best.buy.drops.on.poor.tvs.but.helped.by.ipad/
>>
>> Clearly a Microsoft monopoly err, attack on Freedom .... Surely the COLA
>> "advocates" scoffed at the iPad and assured is it would flop.
>
> Advocate predictions have been historically very poor. No real news there.
Who predicted it would flop?
Sensible people, such as myself and chrisv, at worst took a "wait-and-see"
approach.
> But what's interesting here to me is that people who buy iPads don't seem to
> be bothered by monopolies, lock-in, herd mentality or any of the other
> excuses.
>
>> footnote : yes, I DO know that the iPad is Apple ....
...but not which way is up.
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Ezekiel
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> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet face plant:
>
>> <quote>
>> Best Buy sees steep drop in TVs offset by phones, iPad
>> updated 10:40 am EST, Tue December 14, 2010
>> Best Buy drops on poor TVs sales but helped by iPad
>>
>> The company wouldn't mention the iPad by name but was selling Apple's
>> tablet
>> almost exclusively for the three-month span. Samsung's Galaxy Tab only
>> reached the US in November, at the end of the period, and wouldn't have
>> been
>> a major factor. Best Buy has gone on record in the past as saying that
>> the
>> iPad was cutting netbook sales in half in those retail stores that were
>> carrying the tablet and has just recently begun selling the iPad through
>> its
>> online store.
>>
>> </quote>
>>
>> http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/12/14/best.buy.drops.on.poor.tvs.but.helped.by.ipad/
>
> You mean iPad is killing Windows netbook sales, I believe.
>
> Subject corrected.
Indeed it is. And releasing a Win7 tablet will be just like the XP tablet
and every other Windows tablet before that.
> I thought you were more of a Win-troll than a Mac-troll. :-)
I just see how the iPad opened up the world of computing to my wife. I've
had computers in the house literally since we've been married - which is a
long time ago. She's spent more time on the iPad in the 8 months since April
than the combined time she's ever spent on every computer and laptop I've
ever owned.
Personally I prefer to use the laptop with a keyboard and all my
apps/utilities but most computer users are more like her and less like me.
Ezekiel
> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet face plant:
>
>> "Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ie88ko$qbi$4...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> "Ezekiel" <no_...@fake-zeke.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> <quote>
>>>> Best Buy sees steep drop in TVs offset by phones, iPad
>>>> updated 10:40 am EST, Tue December 14, 2010
>>>> Best Buy drops on poor TVs sales but helped by iPad
>>>>
>>>> http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/12/14/best.buy.drops.on.poor.tvs.but.helped.by.ipad/
>>>
>>> Clearly a Microsoft monopoly err, attack on Freedom .... Surely the COLA
>>> "advocates" scoffed at the iPad and assured is it would flop.
>>
>> Advocate predictions have been historically very poor. No real news
>> there.
>
> Who predicted it would flop?
>
> Sensible people, such as myself and chrisv,
Nuff said right there.
Hadron
> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet face plant:
>
>> "Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ie88ko$qbi$4...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> "Ezekiel" <no_...@fake-zeke.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> <quote>
>>>> Best Buy sees steep drop in TVs offset by phones, iPad
>>>> updated 10:40 am EST, Tue December 14, 2010
>>>> Best Buy drops on poor TVs sales but helped by iPad
>>>>
>>>> http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/12/14/best.buy.drops.on.poor.tvs.but.helped.by.ipad/
>>>
>>> Clearly a Microsoft monopoly err, attack on Freedom .... Surely the COLA
>>> "advocates" scoffed at the iPad and assured is it would flop.
>>
>> Advocate predictions have been historically very poor. No real news there.
>
> Who predicted it would flop?
Erm just about every single "advocate". You have forgotten already? how
convenient for you.
>
> Sensible people, such as myself and chrisv, at worst took a "wait-and-see"
> approach.
hahahahahahahaha!
LOL! You MUST be trolling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sensible like YOU and CHRISV???????????????????????????????????????????
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
chrisv
>>> Clearly a Microsoft monopoly err, attack on Freedom .... Surely the COLA
>>> "advocates" scoffed at the iPad and assured is it would flop.
>>
>> Advocate predictions have been historically very poor. No real news there.
>
>Who predicted it would flop?
No one, that I saw. The Wintrolls are lying to attack us, as they
always do.
>Sensible people, such as myself and chrisv, at worst took a "wait-and-see"
>approach.
Hell, I thought all-along that it would be a success.
Hadron
Sorry. LOL! I forgot an ROTFLM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hahahahahahahahahahahaah!
Sensible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bwahahahahahahaha!
ALL "chrisv" does is call people fucks and plonk them.
All YOU do is suck up to people like him while earning your money as a
Windows closed source programmer!
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JEDIDIAH
> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet face plant:
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>> "Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ie88ko$qbi$4...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> "Ezekiel" <no_...@fake-zeke.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> <quote>
>>>> Best Buy sees steep drop in TVs offset by phones, iPad
>>>> updated 10:40 am EST, Tue December 14, 2010
>>>> Best Buy drops on poor TVs sales but helped by iPad
>>>>
>>>> http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/12/14/best.buy.drops.on.poor.tvs.but.helped.by.ipad/
>>>
>>> Clearly a Microsoft monopoly err, attack on Freedom .... Surely the COLA
>>> "advocates" scoffed at the iPad and assured is it would flop.
>>
>> Advocate predictions have been historically very poor. No real news there.
>
> Who predicted it would flop?
>
> Sensible people, such as myself and chrisv, at worst took a "wait-and-see"
> approach.
Actually...
So far, the iPad has been a relative flop despite all of the hype.
[deletia]
It sells like an Apple computing product versus a phone or PMP.
The media frenzy has somewhat obscured this fact.
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JEDIDIAH
...been calling idiots like you "Lemming" since those days.
> riddles) was just explaining that Win 7 hasn't been a success at all
> and, err, the only reason its a success (yes I know) is that MS has a
> monopoly from the MS DOS days.
Yes. Windows 7 is the replacement for Windows Vista and so it goes
back to Windows 3.11 and then to DOS 5.
OTOH, it's easy to see why cheap computing products might be less
successful at Best Buy as Best buy tries to actively HIDE some of these
products. Retailers don't want the lower margin products to be popular.
Best Buy probably gets more out of the sale of a Mini than the Revo.
Alan Baker
JEDIDIAH <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
> On 2010-12-14, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote:
> > Ezekiel pulled this Usenet face plant:
> >
> >> "Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ie88ko$qbi$4...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>> "Ezekiel" <no_...@fake-zeke.com> writes:
> >>>
> >>>> <quote>
> >>>> Best Buy sees steep drop in TVs offset by phones, iPad
> >>>> updated 10:40 am EST, Tue December 14, 2010
> >>>> Best Buy drops on poor TVs sales but helped by iPad
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/12/14/best.buy.drops.on.poor.tvs.
> >>>> but.helped.by.ipad/
> >>>
> >>> Clearly a Microsoft monopoly err, attack on Freedom .... Surely the COLA
> >>> "advocates" scoffed at the iPad and assured is it would flop.
> >>
> >> Advocate predictions have been historically very poor. No real news there.
> >
> > Who predicted it would flop?
> >
> > Sensible people, such as myself and chrisv, at worst took a "wait-and-see"
> > approach.
>
> Actually...
>
> So far, the iPad has been a relative flop despite all of the hype.
On what criteria do you base this conclusion?
Seriously.
>
> [deletia]
>
> It sells like an Apple computing product versus a phone or PMP.
>
> The media frenzy has somewhat obscured this fact.
LOL
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Hadron
> On 2010-12-14, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote:
>> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>
>>> "Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ie88ko$qbi$4...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> "Ezekiel" <no_...@fake-zeke.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> <quote>
>>>>> Best Buy sees steep drop in TVs offset by phones, iPad
>>>>> updated 10:40 am EST, Tue December 14, 2010
>>>>> Best Buy drops on poor TVs sales but helped by iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/12/14/best.buy.drops.on.poor.tvs.but.helped.by.ipad/
>>>>
>>>> Clearly a Microsoft monopoly err, attack on Freedom .... Surely the COLA
>>>> "advocates" scoffed at the iPad and assured is it would flop.
>>>
>>> Advocate predictions have been historically very poor. No real news there.
>>
>> Who predicted it would flop?
>>
>> Sensible people, such as myself and chrisv, at worst took a "wait-and-see"
>> approach.
>
> Actually...
>
> So far, the iPad has been a relative flop despite all of the hype.
I'm not sure if you're insane, retarded or trolling.
Ezekiel
"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
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> On 2010-12-14, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote:
>> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>
>>> "Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ie88ko$qbi$4...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> "Ezekiel" <no_...@fake-zeke.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> <quote>
>>>>> Best Buy sees steep drop in TVs offset by phones, iPad
>>>>> updated 10:40 am EST, Tue December 14, 2010
>>>>> Best Buy drops on poor TVs sales but helped by iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/12/14/best.buy.drops.on.poor.tvs.but.helped.by.ipad/
>>>>
>>>> Clearly a Microsoft monopoly err, attack on Freedom .... Surely the
>>>> COLA
>>>> "advocates" scoffed at the iPad and assured is it would flop.
>>>
>>> Advocate predictions have been historically very poor. No real news
>>> there.
>>
>> Who predicted it would flop?
>>
>> Sensible people, such as myself and chrisv, at worst took a
>> "wait-and-see"
>> approach.
>
> Actually...
Actually JED you're a F'n idiot.
> So far, the iPad has been a relative flop despite all of the hype.
So far, you have yet to show proof for any of your stupid-ass claims.
<quote>
The company says it's sold 7.5 million units (iPad), for $5 billion in
revenue, since the tablet device went on the market in April .
</quote>
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/apples-jobs-rock-star-of-corporate-america-2010-12-08?pagenumber=2
It's been reported that Apple makes between $208/iPad (16GB) to $446/iPad
for the high-end models. That's somewhere north of $2 Billion dollars in
profit in only 8 months.
Yeah.... what a "relative flop" because some clueless moron named JED says
so.
> [deletia]
>
> It sells like an Apple computing product versus a phone or PMP.
>
> The media frenzy has somewhat obscured this fact.
You use rhymes and riddles to try and obscure the fact that you're a
complete moron.
Alan Baker
Hadron<hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
Can't it not be all of the above?
Chris Ahlstrom
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote in message
>
>> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>
>> You mean iPad is killing Windows netbook sales, I believe.
>>
>> Subject corrected.
>
> Indeed it is. And releasing a Win7 tablet will be just like the XP tablet
> and every other Windows tablet before that.
>
> I just see how the iPad opened up the world of computing to my wife. I've
> had computers in the house literally since we've been married - which is a
> long time ago. She's spent more time on the iPad in the 8 months since April
> than the combined time she's ever spent on every computer and laptop I've
> ever owned.
>
> Personally I prefer to use the laptop with a keyboard and all my
> apps/utilities but most computer users are more like her and less like me.
I know one guy with an iPad, and he loves it.
It does look pretty slick. But I'm full up with computers at the moment.
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Chris Ahlstrom
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote in message
>
>> Who predicted it would flop?
>
>> Sensible people, such as myself and chrisv,
>
> Nuff said right there.
I knew you would agree.
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"chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> Hell, I thought all-along that it would be a success.
>
nope. quit lying you mentally ill fscking scumbag.
-hh
> Hell, I thought all-along that it would be a success.
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2b3359c5b43f4f02?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/579377402c8e5f6c?hl=en
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a937a13860a0a521?hl=en
Funny.
-hh
JEDIDIAH
The iPad sells like a Mac. That's a fact.
There is a nice quite attributed to Disraeli about statistics.
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>
> "JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
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>> On 2010-12-14, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote:
>>> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>>
>>>> "Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ie88ko$qbi$4...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> "Ezekiel" <no_...@fake-zeke.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <quote>
>>>>>> Best Buy sees steep drop in TVs offset by phones, iPad
>>>>>> updated 10:40 am EST, Tue December 14, 2010
>>>>>> Best Buy drops on poor TVs sales but helped by iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/12/14/best.buy.drops.on.poor.tvs.but.helped.by.ipad/
>>>>>
>>>>> Clearly a Microsoft monopoly err, attack on Freedom .... Surely the
>>>>> COLA
>>>>> "advocates" scoffed at the iPad and assured is it would flop.
>>>>
>>>> Advocate predictions have been historically very poor. No real news
>>>> there.
>>>
>>> Who predicted it would flop?
>>>
>>> Sensible people, such as myself and chrisv, at worst took a
>>> "wait-and-see"
>>> approach.
>>
>> Actually...
>
> Actually JED you're a F'n idiot.
No. I'm just not blinded by some sort of cult mentality.
>
>
>> So far, the iPad has been a relative flop despite all of the hype.
>
> So far, you have yet to show proof for any of your stupid-ass claims.
The PC market is far bigger than Apple.
Chris Ahlstrom
Why? Doesn't disprove what chrisv said, and removable storage would
actually have been better to have on the iPad.
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> I'm not sure if you're insane, retarded or trolling.
That's what we say about "Hadron".
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Hadron
> -hh pulled this Usenet face plant:
>
>> On Dec 14, 1:50?pm, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> Hell, I thought all-along that it would be a success.
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2b3359c5b43f4f02?hl=en
>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/579377402c8e5f6c?hl=en
>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a937a13860a0a521?hl=en
>>
>> Funny.
>
> Why? Doesn't disprove what chrisv said, and removable storage would
> actually have been better to have on the iPad.
Ye gods. Dont you ever tire of humiliating yourself?
Hadron
Thats nice. But that doesnt apply to you.
The iPad has been a run away success and has forged the way for tens of
copycat devices hosting Android for one.
Why ARE you such an idiot?
Hadron
Does a poorly written AI do your replies? Once more you're talking shit.
Hadron
> Hadron pulled this Usenet face plant:
>
>> I'm not sure if you're insane, retarded or trolling.
>
> That's what we say about "Hadron".
There is no "we" and I am not making suck arse claims that the iPad is a
failure. Why dont you correct him instead of licking his arse you
sycophantic little weenie?
Ezekiel
"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
And a peanut is far bigger than your stupid brain. But that has nothing to
do with you recent ignorant claim.
Here's your original claim - the one that you snipped and ran from:
<quote>
So far, the iPad has been a relative flop despite all of the hype.
</quote>
Notice your typical unsubstantiated bullshit of how it's a flop. Meanwhile I
provided a link showing that Apple has made roughly $2 Billion dollars in
*profit* in 8 months of iPad sales.
"Idiot" doesn't begin to describe you.
Ezekiel
> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet face plant:
>
>> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> Who predicted it would flop?
>>
>>> Sensible people, such as myself and chrisv,
>>
>> Nuff said right there.
>
> I knew you would agree.
Sensible people, such as myself and one-shot one-kill certainly agree.
Rex Ballard
> <quote>
> Best Buy sees steep drop in TVs offset by phones, iPad
> updated 10:40 am EST, Tue December 14, 2010
> Best Buy drops on poor TVs sales but helped by iPad
> The company wouldn't mention the iPad by name but was selling Apple's tablet
> almost exclusively for the three-month span. Samsung's Galaxy Tab only
> reached the US in November, at the end of the period, and wouldn't have been
> a major factor.
There are several tablets now, ranging in price from $120 to $700
including e-readers like the Kindle, Sony E-Book, and other Linux
tablets at the low end, up to Android tablets with color screens and
the full compliment of Android applications, including The Galaxy at
the high end.
The iPad meets one market's needs, but the iPod touch and iPhone can
often do many of the things people want to do with a NetBook.
The problem with a Windows 7 NetBook is that it needs so much RAM, a
power-hungry hard disk, and constantly needs the hard drive - as a
result, the battery doesn't last long enough to even compete with a
laptop. These days, there are 14 inch laptops that can run for 8
hours, and most Windows 7 NetBooks have less battery capacity and only
last an hour or two.
In effect, Microsoft killed the NetBook market.
The good news is that there are fire sales on Windows 7 NetBooks.
WalMart is selling several models for as little as $229 each. That's
almost what I spend for my Linux NetBook when I first bought it 2
years ago. I gave one to my daughter, and loaned one to my wife. She
won't give it back. She did ask me to put Ubuntu on it, which only
took about 10 minutes using a memory stick image I downloaded using
the NetBook (over a WiFi connection) - and in about 20 minutes, she
had all of her files back and had installed the Music composition
software she wanted - by herself. She's also thrown a few games on
there as well. I doubt she will EVER give it back. Now she's
cruising e-bay trying to find another Linux NetBook for the Church.
> Best Buy has gone on record in the past as saying that the
> iPad was cutting netbook sales in half in those retail stores that were
> carrying the tablet and has just recently begun selling the iPad through its
> online store.
I found it amusing that, when the iPAD first came out, so many of the
sales clerks didn't have a clue about it. They tried to push people
to NetBooks or Laptops. Now, they've done their homework and they
really know how to pitch the iPad and the iPod. And the phone
department has dummy versions of the Android phones, but has a real
working version of the iPhone which the sales clerk will gladly help
you with immediately.
When I asked to look at the Droid 2, because all that was on display,
the clerk acted like I wanted to do something disgusting. He groaned
and said that he had one in the cabinet that he might be able to
demonstrate. When he pulled it out of the cabinet, it wasn't charged
up - he asked me if I could come back in an hour. I figured if he was
that excited about it - I'd take my business elsewhere.
I've noticed that the sales clerks have also been pushing customers
looking at NetBooks to the 14 inch Notebooks. Given that they only
cost about 5% more for the larger screen, and full capabilities - it's
not surprising that people aren't buying NetBooks.
The bottom line is that there are MANY factors killing NetBook sales,
but probably the biggest one is Microsoft.
> </quote>
>
> http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/12/14/best.buy.drops.on.poor....
Rex Ballard
> In article <slrnigff43.k6t.j...@nomad.mishnet>,
> > It sells like an Apple computing product versus a phone or PMP.
Yes, Apple sells as many as they are willing to produce - at 3 times
the price of comparable competitor's products. And the profit margins
can be as much as 100 times higher for Apple.
Many Windows 7 Laptops and NetBooks are now being sold at a LOSS.
Hadron
> On Dec 14, 2:16 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
>> In article <slrnigff43.k6t.j...@nomad.mishnet>,
>> > It sells like an Apple computing product versus a phone or PMP.
>
> Yes, Apple sells as many as they are willing to produce - at 3 times
> the price of comparable competitor's products. And the profit margins
> can be as much as 100 times higher for Apple.
>
> Many Windows 7 Laptops and NetBooks are now being sold at a LOSS.
And your proof for these outrageously stupid claims are where?
Oh! You made it up!
Still, Creepy Chris Ahlstrom believes you!
Chris Ahlstrom
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote in message
> news:ie8lkm$nfd$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>
>>> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> Who predicted it would flop?
>>>
>>>> Sensible people, such as myself and chrisv,
>>>
>>> Nuff said right there.
>>
>> I knew you would agree.
>
> Sensible people, such as myself and one-shot one-kill certainly agree.
Best self-nuke ever.
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Hadron
> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet face plant:
>
>>
>> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote in message
>> news:ie8lkm$nfd$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>>
>>>> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> Who predicted it would flop?
>>>>
>>>>> Sensible people, such as myself and chrisv,
>>>>
>>>> Nuff said right there.
>>>
>>> I knew you would agree.
>>
>> Sensible people, such as myself and one-shot one-kill certainly agree.
>
> Best self-nuke ever.
Could you really be so dense as to not see the joke?
-hh
> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstr...@xzoozy.com> writes:
> > -hh pulled this Usenet face plant:
>
> >> On Dec 14, 1:50?pm, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >>> Hell, I thought all-along that it would be a success.
>
> >>http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/579377402c8...
> >>http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a937a13860a...
>
> >> Funny.
>
> > Why? Doesn't disprove what chrisv said, and removable storage would
> > actually have been better to have on the iPad.
>
> Ye gods. Dont you ever tire of humiliating yourself?
The irony is striking.
Sure, Chrisv might have been THINKING "success", but the archives show
the "DOOM, DOOM, DOOM" refrain being what was posted.
-hh
Chris Ahlstrom
> On Dec 14, 6:37?pm, Hadron<hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstr...@xzoozy.com> writes:
>> > -hh pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>
>> >> On Dec 14, 1:50?pm, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> >>> ?Hell, I thought all-along that it would be a success.
>>
>> >>http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2b3359c5b43...
>> >>http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/579377402c8...
>> >>http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a937a13860a...
>>
>> >> Funny.
>>
>> > Why? ?Doesn't disprove what chrisv said, and removable storage would
>> > actually have been better to have on the iPad.
>>
>> Ye gods. Dont you ever tire of humiliating yourself?
Don't you ever tire of ranting like a meth user?
> The irony is striking.
>
> Sure, Chrisv might have been THINKING "success", but the archives show
> the "DOOM, DOOM, DOOM" refrain being what was posted.
Unfortunately, nothing you quoted showed him believing it would fail.
I am beginning to believe these legends about "Mac users"....
--
You definitely intend to start living sometime soon.
Hadron
> -hh pulled this Usenet face plant:
>
>> On Dec 14, 6:37?pm, Hadron<hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstr...@xzoozy.com> writes:
>>> > -hh pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>>
>>> >> On Dec 14, 1:50?pm, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> >>> ?Hell, I thought all-along that it would be a success.
>>>
>>> >>http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2b3359c5b43...
>>> >>http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/579377402c8...
>>> >>http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a937a13860a...
>>>
>>> >> Funny.
>>>
>>> > Why? ?Doesn't disprove what chrisv said, and removable storage would
>>> > actually have been better to have on the iPad.
>>>
>>> Ye gods. Dont you ever tire of humiliating yourself?
>
> Don't you ever tire of ranting like a meth user?
>
>> The irony is striking.
>>
>> Sure, Chrisv might have been THINKING "success", but the archives show
>> the "DOOM, DOOM, DOOM" refrain being what was posted.
>
> Unfortunately, nothing you quoted showed him believing it would fail.
>
> I am beginning to believe these legends about "Mac users"....
You cant help yourself can you?
-hh
> -hh pulled this Usenet face plant:
> > On Dec 14, 6:37?pm, Hadron<hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstr...@xzoozy.com> writes:
> >> > -hh pulled this Usenet face plant:
>
> >> >> On Dec 14, 1:50?pm, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >> >>> ?Hell, I thought all-along that it would be a success.
>
> >> >>http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2b3359c5b43...
> >> >>http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/579377402c8...
> >> >>http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a937a13860a...
>
> >> >> Funny.
>
> >> > Why? ?Doesn't disprove what chrisv said, and removable storage would
> >> > actually have been better to have on the iPad.
>
> >> Ye gods. Dont you ever tire of humiliating yourself?
>
> Don't you ever tire of ranting like a meth user?
>
> > The irony is striking.
>
> > Sure, Chrisv might have been THINKING "success", but the archives show
> > the "DOOM, DOOM, DOOM" refrain being what was posted.
>
> Unfortunately, nothing you quoted showed him believing it would fail.
Trying to squirm away by being a literalist? Well then: how about
you showing us then where he said "Success".
Just make sure that you set the bar for non-ambiguity as high as
you've just done here. For example, the standard you've set for
yourself is that a statement of:
"Plonk"
...is not sufficiently non-ambiguous if the intended message was:
"I'm putting you into my killfile".
> I am beginning to believe these legends about "Mac users"....
Oh look: a lame attempt at a personal attack, because your hypocrisy
has become transparent to all.
Think we're done here, unless you're going to try be petty with a
second lame parting shot attempt.
-hh
Ezekiel
>"Rex Ballard" <rex.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:8eb41ad7-ffbd-4f8f...@fu15g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>Many Windows 7 Laptops and NetBooks are now being sold at a LOSS.
Which ones. Be specific.
(You really can't even help yourself from lying can you?)
Chris Ahlstrom
>
Have you been drinking, or are you a prototypical Mac user.
Idiot.
--
So far we've managed to avoid turning Perl into APL. :-)
-- Larry Wall in <1997022519...@wall.org>
Chris Ahlstrom
Microsoft sold Xbox at a loss for a long while. A quick Google shows some
people of the opinion that netbooks are basically a loss leader for both
Intel and Microsoft.
It's Christmas time, and a lot of cheap laptops are being used to lure
people. Are you saying those are definitely not loss leaders?
Anyway, that being said, the high prices of most of the netbooks out there
make me believe that Rex is essentially wrong.
Good luck in finding definite information on price versus cost to make and
distribute, by the way.
--
Quality Control, n.:
The process of testing one out of every 1,000 units coming off
a production line to make sure that at least one out of 100 works.
chrisv
Yes, it is very funny that you think those quotes in any way
contradict what I wrote. I stand by my statements regarding the
missing feature(s).
"You think it should have this feature = You think few will buy it"
Wow. You must be very stupid.
chrisv
>Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> -hh pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>
>> > Sure, Chrisv might have been THINKING "success", but the archives show
>> > the "DOOM, DOOM, DOOM" refrain being what was posted.
Nope. You are lying, "-hh".
"Imperfection" does not equal "bad" or even "undesirable". It was,
obviously, the best "pad" computer available. Consumers regularly
live with what they consider imperfections in the products they buy,
especially when choices are limited.
Why should any of this need explaining, to anyone over 2 years of age?
>> Unfortunately, nothing you quoted showed him believing it would fail.
>
>Trying to squirm away by being a literalist? Well then: how about
>you showing us then where he said "Success".
Show us where I said "Failure".
Seriously, aren't you embarrassed by taking such a ludicrous position?
I used to think that you had *some* sense and *some* desire to be a
credible poster, but it appears now that you just want to troll.
Not one person in this group predicted poor sales for the iPad.
chrisv
> trolling fsckwit wrote:
>>
>> Sensible people, such as myself and one-shot one-kill certainly agree.
OMG
>Best self-nuke ever.
Good. Anyone on the fence about "Ezekiel", anyone who thinks that he
is worthy of any respect at all*, can think about his above statement,
and his unwavering support of lying assholes like "Hadron".
*Although, I don't know how anyone could, really.
Rex Ballard
> -hh pulled this Usenet face plant:
> > On Dec 14, 1:50?pm, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >> Hell, I thought all-along that it would be a success.
> >http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2b3359c5b43...
> >http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/579377402c8...
> >http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a937a13860a...
> > Funny.
> Why? Doesn't disprove what chrisv said, and removable storage would
> actually have been better to have on the iPad.
I recall that during one of threads in this group very shortly after
the iPad first came out, that this issue was raised and that Apple had
a ipod to USB connector that would let you attached not just cameras
(which was advertized) but also external hard drives.
Does that actually work? Can you attach external drives directly?
But the iPAD doesn't support any SDHC slots does it?
Of course, if you also have a Mac, you can just share or upload/
download files with the Mac via the WiFi connection. Heck, you could
just rsync. You could also rsync with Linux.
Ezekiel
> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet face plant:
>
>>>"Rex Ballard" <rex.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:8eb41ad7-ffbd-4f8f...@fu15g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>Many Windows 7 Laptops and NetBooks are now being sold at a LOSS.
>>
>> Which ones. Be specific.
>>
>> (You really can't even help yourself from lying can you?)
>
> Microsoft sold Xbox at a loss for a long while.
Not nearly as long or as much loss as Sony and the PS3.
> A quick Google shows some people of the *opinion* that netbooks
> are basically a loss leader for both Intel and Microsoft.
opinion != fact.
People are entitled to their own opinion - not their own facts.
> It's Christmas time, and a lot of cheap laptops are being used to lure
> people. Are you saying those are definitely not loss leaders?
There's a difference between a promotional sale involving a loss-leader vs.
a generic statement that something is being sold at a loss.
For how many years now has Rex been claiming that Dell loses money on every
PC they sell?
> Anyway, that being said, the high prices of most of the netbooks out there
> make me believe that Rex is essentially wrong.
Agree.
> Good luck in finding definite information on price versus
> cost to make and distribute, by the way.
For specific claims like how 'Dell loses money on every PC they sell' - a
quick check of Dells financials (revenue, expenses, profit, profit-margin,
etc) for their PC division would give a good assessment of what these
numbers are. There's no reason to believe that other PC makers like HP are
doing anything radically different that they're profit margins would be
significantly different.
Chris Ahlstrom
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote in message
>
>> Good luck in finding definite information on price versus
>> cost to make and distribute, by the way.
>
> For specific claims like how 'Dell loses money on every PC they sell' - a
> quick check of Dells financials (revenue, expenses, profit, profit-margin,
> etc) for their PC division would give a good assessment of what these
> numbers are. There's no reason to believe that other PC makers like HP are
> doing anything radically different that they're profit margins would be
> significantly different.
Depends if other products are lumped into the PC division. And they may
still be selling some units at a loss, while selling most others are a
profit.
--
The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference
between a mermaid and a seal.
-- Mark Twain
Ezekiel
> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet face plant:
>
>> "Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> Good luck in finding definite information on price versus
>>> cost to make and distribute, by the way.
>>
>> For specific claims like how 'Dell loses money on every PC they sell' - a
>> quick check of Dells financials (revenue, expenses, profit,
>> profit-margin,
>> etc) for their PC division would give a good assessment of what these
>> numbers are. There's no reason to believe that other PC makers like HP
>> are
>> doing anything radically different that they're profit margins would be
>> significantly different.
>
> Depends if other products are lumped into the PC division. And they may
> still be selling some units at a loss, while selling most others are a
> profit.
They key is 'most' are being sold at a profit. For the most recent quarter
Dell made a profit of $822 million or more than $63 million/week. At the end
of the day when you average everything out they are making a profit on their
PC sales.
There are very few companies that make a profit on every item they sell.
When a grocery store has a sale for <item> at <great price> they are
intentionally taking a loss on the one product. But they're not stupid and
they know in the end this small loss will more than be outweighed by profits
on other items.
-hh
> -hh wrote:
> >Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >> -hh pulled this Usenet face plant:
>
> >> > Sure, Chrisv might have been THINKING "success", but the archives show
> >> > the "DOOM, DOOM, DOOM" refrain being what was posted.
>
> Nope. You are lying, "-hh".
Your claim is disproven by your repeated posts that were highly
critical about the lack of USB on the iPad.
> "Imperfection" does not equal "bad" or even "undesirable". It was,
> obviously, the best "pad" computer available.
Show us where you previously said that it was the "best available".
> Consumers regularly
> live with what they consider imperfections in the products they buy,
> especially when choices are limited.
Agreed, but irrelevant.
> Why should any of this need explaining, to anyone over 2 years of age?
Merely because of your attempts to save face through revisionist
history are so transparent.
> >> Unfortunately, nothing you quoted showed him believing it would fail.
>
> >Trying to squirm away by being a literalist? Well then: how about
> >you showing us then where he said "Success".
>
> Show us where I said "Failure".
Show us where you said "Success"
> Seriously, aren't you embarrassed by taking such a ludicrous position?
Show us where you **previously** said "Success".
> I used to think that you had *some* sense and *some* desire to be a
> credible poster, but it appears now that you just want to troll.
>
> Not one person in this group predicted poor sales for the iPad.
But now that it has proven itself, we hear claims of: "Hell, I thought
all-along that it would be a success" start up, which is pure
bullshit.
There probably were some CSMA regulars who predicted succes ... and
they were invariably yelled down - - but where's those same critics
now apologizing?
The facts are that no one from COLA had the balls to make any iPad
sales prediction, either up or down.
Man Up, or STFU. The world loathes whiners.
-hh
Clogwog
news:ie8vd1$3uj$4...@news.eternal-september.org...
iPhone: $8.82 billion, up 92 percent from $4.606 billion a year earlier.
iPad: $2.79 billion; no comparable -- new product.
Not bad for these products, yes COLA tard Ahlstrom is definitely insane of
jealousy about these figures!
chrisv
>chrisv wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>> >Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> >> -hh pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>
>> >> > Sure, Chrisv might have been THINKING "success", but the archives show
>> >> > the "DOOM, DOOM, DOOM" refrain being what was posted.
>>
>> Nope. You are lying, "-hh".
>
>Your claim is disproven by your repeated posts that were highly
>critical about the lack of USB on the iPad.
Nope. You are lying, "-hh".
>> "Imperfection" does not equal "bad" or even "undesirable". It was,
>> obviously, the best "pad" computer available.
>
>Show us where you previously said that it was the "best available".
Show us where I said that it was undesirable.
Really, could it be any more obvious that it was the best available at
that time (at least in it's "entertainment" niche)?
How far are you willing to reach, to attack a reasonable person? Is
"asshole" what you want to be known as? Are you proud of your
behavior, here? Is getting a back-slap from the likes of "Hadron"
worth it?
>> Consumers regularly
>> live with what they consider imperfections in the products they buy,
>> especially when choices are limited.
>
>Agreed, but irrelevant.
Nope, it's a fact that cuts you're entire "chrisv complained about the
lack of removable storage" case to ribbons, actually.
>> Why should any of this need explaining, to anyone over 2 years of age?
>
>Merely because of your attempts to save face through revisionist
>history are so transparent.
Nope. The reality is that your lies are transparent. Nothing in my
history shows any indication that I thought it would not sell well.
"It should have removable storage" is not a prediction of it not
selling.
>> >> Unfortunately, nothing you quoted showed him believing it would fail.
>>
>> >Trying to squirm away by being a literalist? Well then: how about
>> >you showing us then where he said "Success".
>>
>> Show us where I said "Failure".
>
>Show us where you said "Success"
Show us where I said "Failure".
>> Seriously, aren't you embarrassed by taking such a ludicrous position?
>
>Show us where you **previously** said "Success".
I don't always feel the need to that things which I consider quite
obvious, in this case "It's still a nifty new gizmo that will probably
sell well, just like the iPhone did."
>> I used to think that you had *some* sense and *some* desire to be a
>> credible poster, but it appears now that you just want to troll.
>>
>> Not one person in this group predicted poor sales for the iPad.
>
>But now that it has proven itself, we hear claims of: "Hell, I thought
>all-along that it would be a success" start up, which is pure
>bullshit.
It's the truth. Deal with it.
I'm sure I'm not alone, in thinking that it would sell well. Linux
advocates having "issues" with Apple's design decisions is hardly
surprising. It doesn't make us blind to the fact that Apple has a lot
of fans who like "the Apple way".
Gosh, these claims of mine are just *so* "difficult to believe, aren't
they? It just *cannot be* that we are so reasonable about such
things!
>There probably were some CSMA regulars who predicted succes ... and
>they were invariably yelled down - - but where's those same critics
>now apologizing?
>
>The facts are that no one from COLA had the balls to make any iPad
>sales prediction, either up or down.
>
>Man Up, or STFU. The world loathes whiners.
The decent people of the world loath people who lie to attack others.
Decrying the lack of a certain feature (removable storage) is *not
even close* to "DOOM, DOOM, DOOM".
Consumers regularly live with what they consider imperfections in the
products they buy, especially when choices are limited!
Seriously, aren't you embarrassed by taking such a ludicrous position?
I can almost promise you that you have lost credibility, here, in the
eyes of *any* reasonable, honest person.
*plonk* 90 days. Hopefully you'll grow up.
chrisv
>-hh pulled this Usenet face plant:
>
>>
>
>Have you been drinking, or are you a prototypical Mac user.
>
>Idiot.
It really is amazing, how much of an asshole some people are willing
to make of themselves, in an attempt attack what are quite-reasonable
and, really, obvious positions.
Clogwog
news:1uohg6d8eo4at51e8...@4ax.com...
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> -hh pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>
>>>
>>
>> Have you been drinking, or are you a prototypical Mac user.
>>
>> Idiot.
>
> to make of themselves, in an attempt attack what are quite-reasonable
> and, really, obvious positions.
>
"His vocabulary is very limited, monosyllable and abusive like most Cola
regulars. (plonk, idiot, wintroll, troll, felcher a.s.o)"
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/2007/09/chrisv-liar.html
Clogwog
*PLANK* forever!, well now, go stand in the corner, chris(vermin)!
<aside>
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/2007/09/chrisv-liar.html
"The chrisv liar
The dufus who calls himself is for all practical purposes just as useless as
the "Willy Boaster" idiot. His understanding of human communications is
limited to one of two responses:
1 - Fsck you arsehole troll.
2 - *plonk*
In real life he isn't likely to be very bright. He probably has a job as an
"assistant shift manager" at a Burger King. His only purpose on usenet is to
make an honest replier, to a usenet post look bad. His idiotic plonking
behaviour has no limits. He's a liar too because he bashes MS Windows Vista
frequently, despite the fact that he avoids the question if he has ever used
Vista, by saying *plonk*. He is a typical linux and COLA fuckwit, when
confronted with facts that prove him to be an idiot he resorts to posting
*PLONK*. His vocabulary is very limited, monosyllable and abusive like most
-hh
> -hh wrote:
> >>
> >> "Imperfection" does not equal "bad" or even "undesirable". It was,
> >> obviously, the best "pad" computer available.
>
> >Show us where you previously said that it was the "best available".
>
> Show us where I said that it was undesirable.
July 13, 2010: "...it is, clearly, an expensive toy, and one that I
have little desire for..."
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/
4e243252e67d27cf?hl=en>
BTW, note how your above statement goes a step further, and explictly
chooses to extend your mere _personal_ preference to everyone's:
"The vast majority of the populace sees it the way that I do, I'm
sure."
In any event, this is merely a distraction... you still haven't shown
us where you previously said that it was the "best available".
> Really, could it be any more obvious that it was the best available at
> that time (at least in it's "entertainment" niche)?
Yes, by simply showing us where you previously said that it was the
"best available".
> How far are you willing to reach, to attack a reasonable person? Is
> "asshole" what you want to be known as? Are you proud of your
> behavior, here? Is getting a back-slap from the likes of "Hadron"
> worth it?
YA personal attack...to try to distract from dodging the question.
> >> Why should any of this need explaining, to anyone over 2 years of age?
>
> >Merely because of your attempts to save face through revisionist
> >history are so transparent.
>
> Nope.
More face-saving denial attempts.
> The reality is that your lies are transparent. Nothing in my
> history shows any indication that I thought it would not sell well.
July 13, 2010: "...it is, clearly, an expensive toy, and one that I
have little desire for...The vast majority of the populace sees it the
way that I do, I'm sure."
> "It should have removable storage" is not a prediction of it not
> selling.
Bullshit. With all of the highly critical posts that were made, had
it turned out to be a failure, then the COLA Armchair Experts would
have come out of the woodwork and all chimed in afterwords, claiming:
"See! I told you so..."
The facts are that no one in COLA had the balls to make an unambiguous
prediction, either way.
> >> >> Unfortunately, nothing you quoted showed him believing it would fail.
>
> >> >Trying to squirm away by being a literalist? Well then: how about
> >> >you showing us then where he said "Success".
>
> >> Show us where I said "Failure".
>
> >Show us where you said "Success"
>
> Show us where I said "Failure".
The above non-response is a tacit admission that Chrisv never did
predict "Success", despite his inferences otherwise.
> >> Seriously, aren't you embarrassed by taking such a ludicrous position?
>
> >Show us where you **previously** said "Success".
>
> I don't always feel the need to that things which I consider quite
> obvious, in this case "It's still a nifty new gizmo that will probably
> sell well, just like the iPhone did."
Too bad you didn't say this "nifty gizmo...probably sell well" stuff
anytime before today. Is there any particular reason why you put it
in quotes to infer that it was a quotation? Or was that just YA
dishonest misdirection attempt, by putting a brand new claim in quotes
to try to infer that it was something that Chrisv has said before,
when he has not.
> >> I used to think that you had *some* sense and *some* desire to be a
> >> credible poster, but it appears now that you just want to troll.
>
> >> Not one person in this group predicted poor sales for the iPad.
>
> >But now that it has proven itself, we hear claims of: "Hell, I thought
> >all-along that it would be a success" start up, which is pure
> >bullshit.
>
> It's the truth. Deal with it.
"Oh, is it the Mighty iPad that taught the world that lesson?
Golly gee, I think history is littered with products that were the
first of their type that "dominated the market", at least
temporarily."
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/
6b9f8727f8bbac33?hl=en>
That's an explicit implication that the iPad is going to fail in the
marketplace. Do you have the balls to predict if its going to be
2011, 2012, or by some other date?
> I'm sure I'm not alone, in thinking that it would sell well.
Already preemtively addressed, just a few lines further down:
> >There probably were some CSMA regulars who predicted succes ... and
> >they were invariably yelled down - - but where's those same critics
> >now apologizing?
Golly, how did you miss this?
> >The facts are that no one from COLA had the balls to make any iPad
> >sales prediction, either up or down.
More silence from Chrisv.
> >Man Up, or STFU. The world loathes whiners.
>
> The decent people of the world loath people who lie to attack others.
YA attempt at a personal attack.
> Seriously, aren't you embarrassed by taking such a ludicrous position?
Seriously, you STILL can't find where you predicted "Success"?
> *plonk* 90 days. Hopefully you'll grow up.
Childishly trying to ignore the messenger won't change Chrisv's
history, or his responsibility for his own actions.
-hh
Clogwog
news:6683da17-73e9-4848...@z26g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/
4e243252e67d27cf?hl=en>
More face-saving denial attempts.
<http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/
6b9f8727f8bbac33?hl=en>
More silence from Chrisv.
-hh
>
Excellent research, it's a keeper on chris(vermin)'s self nuke list!
Flint
> <quote>
> Best Buy sees steep drop in TVs offset by phones, iPad
> updated 10:40 am EST, Tue December 14, 2010
> Best Buy drops on poor TVs sales but helped by iPad
Good! I loath netbooks anyway. 1> The ergonomics are pathetic. 2>
the displays look cheesey, 3> they're Atom-underpowered POS's. And
non of them come close to a Macbook Air.
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> Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> writes:
>
>> Hadron pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>
>>> I'm not sure if you're insane, retarded or trolling.
>>
>> That's what we say about "Hadron".
>
> There is no "we" and I am not making suck arse claims that the iPad is a
> failure. Why dont you correct him instead of licking his arse you
> sycophantic little weenie?
The iPad is overhyped.
As an Apple computing device, it's about typical so far. The media hype
machine just makes it seem much more larger than life than it really is. This
nonsense from Best Buy is an example.
It turns out that they can't even sell HDTVs very well either.
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Snit
PM:
> On 2010-12-14, Hadron <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> writes:
>>
>>> Hadron pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>>
>>>> I'm not sure if you're insane, retarded or trolling.
>>>
>>> That's what we say about "Hadron".
>>
>> There is no "we" and I am not making suck arse claims that the iPad is a
>> failure. Why dont you correct him instead of licking his arse you
>> sycophantic little weenie?
>
> The iPad is overhyped.
How so? It pretty much redefines the pad platform... much as the original
Mac OS redefined the desktop.
> As an Apple computing device, it's about typical so far. The media hype
> machine just makes it seem much more larger than life than it really is. This
> nonsense from Best Buy is an example.
>
> It turns out that they can't even sell HDTVs very well either.
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Chris Ahlstrom
Certainly not in price! :-D
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Chris Ahlstrom
> There is no "we" and I am not making suck arse claims that the iPad is a
> failure. Why dont you correct him instead of licking his arse you
> sycophantic little weenie?
:-D
Still going on with the tongues and arses, aye laddy?
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Clavicus Vile
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> JEDIDIAH stated in post slrnigidf...@nomad.mishnet on 12/15/10 2:41
> PM:
>
>> On 2010-12-14, Hadron <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Hadron pulled this Usenet face plant:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure if you're insane, retarded or trolling.
>>>>
>>>> That's what we say about "Hadron".
>>>
>>> There is no "we" and I am not making suck arse claims that the iPad is a
>>> failure. Why dont you correct him instead of licking his arse you
>>> sycophantic little weenie?
>>
>> The iPad is overhyped.
>
> How so? It pretty much redefines the pad platform... much as the original
> Mac OS redefined the desktop.
So what you're saying is the iPad is going nowhere just like the Mac went
nowhere.
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Snit
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I think it will be around a long time... yes.
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> Flint pulled this Usenet face plant:
> > On 12/14/2010 11:36 AM, Ezekiel wrote:
> >> <quote>
> >> Best Buy sees steep drop in TVs offset by phones, iPad
> >> updated 10:40 am EST, Tue December 14, 2010
> >> Best Buy drops on poor TVs sales but helped by iPad
> > Good! I loath netbooks anyway. 1> The ergonomics are pathetic. 2>
> > the displays look cheesey, 3> they're Atom-underpowered POS's. And
> > non of them come close to a Macbook Air.
The problem came when Microsoft tried to make them Windows XP - and
later Windows 7 machines. They aren't Windows machines and anyone who
buys a NetBook with Windows 7 starter thinking that they will get
anything even remotely close to a Windows 7 Laptop selling for just a
few dollars more - is wasting time and money.
When the NetBook was first introduced, it was more like a PDA with
attitude. NetBooks like the ASUS EEE 4G and Aspire One didn't try to
deliver a massive PC with all of the capabilities of Windows, but they
did try to offer far more than a typical PDA or SmartPhone. The
screen was big enough for a real web browser (FireFox) and the
keyboard, though not full sized, was big enough that once you got used
to it, you could type fast enough to take notes in a meeting or during
a class. You could also take notes with drawing using Writer or
Presents. I still use my netbook when I don't want to go to a meeting
and just take notes. And Linux is perfect for that purpose. The
Linux netbook is also perfect for those long airplane trips - the
battery lasts long enough for a transcontinental flight, especially if
I edit files on the SDHC storage instead of the mechanical drive.
The Linux NetBook filled a practical niche, and did it well. The
Windows NetBooks are more like wannabe Windows machines than can't cut
it. Most of the time you can't even get more than 4 applications
running at the same time. Try to bring up Word, Excel, PowerPoint,
Outlook, and IE - and something "just won't start". No warnings, no
complaints, it just does nothing. The other 3 applications are fine,
but after than, your just can't start any new ones.
Whether this is because of restrictions intentionally put into Windows
7 Starter, or whether it's just that 1 gig of RAM isn't enough to do
useful work, I don't know and don't care.
On Black Friday, several of the best buy stores had hundreds of little
Android devices on the shelves. Most were tablets, some had a base
like a desktop mount, and a few had support for USB-A connections - so
you could add a keyboard and hard drive, but those devices are sold
out already. Actually, they sold of of most of that stock in the
first week. Now, the only thing left on the shelves is the monochrome
Linux reader/tablets like the Kindle, the Sony E-Book, the Nook, and
so on. Then Samsung came out with a nice tablet for about $500 that
looks pretty exciting. Too bad it's locked in a glass case so you
can't actually see what it can do.
> Certainly not in price! :-D
How much is a MacBook Air? How big? How heavy? The 11 inch display
costs almost $1200 at Best Buy. At Wal-Mart a 10.5 inch NetBook sells
for $238. Add Linux to that NetBook and you get about the same power
and capability - at a lower price.
If you want the 13 inch Air, that's almost $1600. But on the next
table over is an assortment of 14 inch Windows 7 laptops - including
several Linux-ready models that can give you better performance - with
Linux - at about $400 to $600. But because they've been lobotomized
with Windows 7 - they have to be sold at a loss to get them out the
door. WalMart is selling surplus machines during the Christmas
season.
I wonder how long before Wal-Mart orders a bunch of Laptops or
NetBooks pre-configured with Linux and puts THOSE on their retail
shelves? I'd love to see the conversation when the Microsoft lawyer
tries to tell the Wal-mart lawyer that Linux on the shelves is
"Damaging the Microsoft Brand". Wal-mart might even pull ALL of the
Windows machines and put up ONLY Linux machines in their super-marts.
Staples has been hurting bad from selling PCs at clearance prices -
for over two years.
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JEDIDIAH
I believe that my original prediction was that it would be another Mac.
That sort of thing certainly seems to be happening with iPhones at the
moment. They are being mobbed by an array of alternate products sold by
multiple hardware vendors using common base softare.
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> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet face plant:
>
>>>"Rex Ballard" <rex.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>>Many Windows 7 Laptops and NetBooks are now being sold at a LOSS.
>>
>> Which ones. Be specific.
>>
>> (You really can't even help yourself from lying can you?)
>
> Microsoft sold Xbox at a loss for a long while. A quick Google shows some
> people of the opinion that netbooks are basically a loss leader for both
> Intel and Microsoft.
A lot of games consoles do/did.
Surely you knew that??????????????????????????
You cant help yourself can you?
Hadron
Indeed. And back office reports and data mining frequently lead to sales
campaigns pivoting on such loss leaders. Something Gortard seemed
oblivious to.
-hh
> On 2010-12-15, Clavicus Vile <clavicus.v...@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
> > "Snit" <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote in message
> >news:C92E8BD1.86929%use...@gallopinginsanity.com...
> >> PM:
>
> >>> On 2010-12-14, Hadron <hadronqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstr...@xzoozy.com> writes:
>
> >>>>> Hadron pulled this Usenet face plant:
>
> >>>>>> I'm not sure if you're insane, retarded or trolling.
>
> >>>>> That's what we say about "Hadron".
>
> >>>> There is no "we" and I am not making suck arse claims that the iPad is a
> >>>> failure. Why dont you correct him instead of licking his arse you
> >>>> sycophantic little weenie?
>
> >>> The iPad is overhyped.
>
> >> How so? It pretty much redefines the pad platform... much as the original
> >> Mac OS redefined the desktop.
>
> > So what you're saying is the iPad is going nowhere just like the Mac went
> > nowhere.
>
> I believe that my original prediction was that it would be another Mac.
Which means precisely what? That the iPad is going to have an initial
surge of high marketshare, and then be clearly overtaken and end up at
5-10% marktshare? Don't be afraid to be specific.
> That sort of thing certainly seems to be happening with iPhones at the
> moment. They are being mobbed by an array of alternate products sold by
> multiple hardware vendors using common base softare.
So does this mean that you're predicting that the iPhone is going to
have an initial surge of high marketshare, and then be clearly
overtaken and end up at 5-10% marketshare? Don't be afraid to be
specific.
-hh
> "-hh" <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> schreef in berichtnews:6683da17-73e9-4848...@z26g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
You're authorized to place a 'fair use' copy of this on your blog.
-hh
-hh
> chrisv<chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > -hhwrote:
> > >chrisvwrote:
> predict "Success", despite his inferences otherwise.
>
> > >> Seriously, aren't you embarrassed by taking such a ludicrous position?
>
> > >Show us where you **previously** said "Success".
>
> > I don't always feel the need to that things which I consider quite
> > obvious, in this case "It's still a nifty new gizmo that will probably
> > sell well, just like the iPhone did."
>
> Too bad you didn't say this "nifty gizmo...probably sell well" stuff
> anytime before today. Is there any particular reason why you put it
> in quotes to infer that it was a quotation? Or was that just YA
> dishonest misdirection attempt, by putting a brand new claim in quotes
> history, or his responsibility for his own actions.
>
> -hh
Just a reminder that shows how chrisv handles being shown he is in
error: avoidance and blaming others.
-hh
Snit
b23b8eb7-8f43-4e5b...@f2g2000vby.googlegroups.com on 1/14/11
11:43 AM:
>> Childishly trying to ignore the messenger won't changeChrisv's
>> history, or his responsibility for his own actions.
>>
>> -hh
>
> Just a reminder that shows how chrisv handles being shown he is in
> error: avoidance and blaming others.
This, sadly, is the norm in COLA and CSMA.
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> On Dec 15 2010, 1:57 pm, -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> chrisv<chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> > -hhwrote:
>> > >chrisvwrote:
Best Buy can't even sell HDTVs very well these days.
On the other hand, they try to avoid stuff like netbooks or nettops
going so far as to hide them. They were doing this to the Revo. If they
had sales problems with that device then it is little wonder.
This is in stark contrast to Frys where everything is displayed
together pretty much on equal terms. The nettops are in the corner but
they don't have the appearance of being intentionally hidden.
You have to be dumb like an Apple fanboy to take anything Best Buy
has to take at face value.
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