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#BeamMeUpScotty

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Aug 11, 2017, 10:50:55 AM8/11/17
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Liberals have shit for brains.

Steven Petruzzellis

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On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 7:50:55 AM UTC-7, #BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> Liberals have shit for brains.



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If you call getting your ass *kicked hard* left and right every single day by numerous people (and completely trashing your reputation and any reason for anyone to trust anything you have to say - forever) 'trolling', then yeah... he was a good troll. I don't personally subscribe to that definition, I use another term, I call that person a total idiot.

> He's lost that ability. Probably too many bad drugs.

He's toned down all the zillions of narcissistic, BS threads he used to create but he's really not much different in the honesty dept. He just uses socks more now to create those threads. Not that there weren't already plenty of reasons to suspect this ridiculous sock as coming from Snit but this thread shows that he's slipping in this respect:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.os.linux.advocacy/cTXTtY57SjM/n9mXLZpIVXoJ

I was being given GPG info and help by owl and we were both pretty much ignoring Snit all the way through. So who appears, who hadn't posted in a couple of days and then only posted to that thread on that day after Snit got tired of being ignored?
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Chris Ahlstrom

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Aug 11, 2017, 2:38:38 PM8/11/17
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#BeamMeUpScotty wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Liberals have shit for brains.

Then this guy must be a liberal! :-D

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Steve Carroll

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Aug 11, 2017, 2:42:15 PM8/11/17
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On Friday, 11 August 2017 07:50:55 UTC-7, #BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> Liberals have shit for brains.



Just hogwash from him. But he has completely left objectivity behind and is simply holding me accountable for the acts of himself.

If the content is a bunch of rambling Jonas Eklundh Communication-like crap. Only glue sniffing would lead to that. Bravo, Mark Bilk, you are now living rent-free inside Jonas Eklundh Communication's beady little brain. Ha!

With all the gloating Jonas Eklundh Communication's done on this topic, the 'SEO Consultant' doesn't understand how to do this. It really takes a couple seconds to click and drag across a sentence and 'print' it.

Jonas Eklundh Communication does not know if there is a no-cost FOSS that promotes PEE. Having to deal with the use of Mint is too much for Jonas Eklundh Communication to deal with. You refuse to take culpability for your own actions. Quotes that are easily shown in the Google archive.

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Nunya Bidnits

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Aug 11, 2017, 2:52:56 PM8/11/17
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On 8/11/2017 8:50 AM, #BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> Liberals have shit for brains.
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That's denigrating shit.

Steve Carroll

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Aug 11, 2017, 2:54:31 PM8/11/17
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On Friday, 11 August 2017 07:50:55 UTC-7, #BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> Liberals have shit for brains.



What VPN dude Marek does is certainly faster. Mark Bilk can only appreciate things from the viewpoint of a psychopath.

Of course I quoted examples of Mark Bilk flooding every group I post to, holding me accountable for the actions of others, etc. His response: to troll VPN dude Marek. Open source is only free if your time has no value. Zsh shell's update system failed over and over again.

Clearly there are too many "let's attack VPN dude Marek for no reason" freetards and not enough programers with a clue enough to help the people with Android. Unlike the intelligent people in political groups, Mark Bilk relies on CNN to contrive convictions on current events. Consequently, he only knows and agrees to the government claims which also are the ones which paint humanism in a dishonestly auspicious and heroic light.

Right, Mark Bilk is pushing to market an HTML reference, which VPN dude Marek can get from torrent sites, that is grade school simple. If he could stop being so clueless he would figure out how ignorant he proves himself to be. You've proven nothing.

Fuchsia runs on the Zsh shell kernel. So yeah, Zsh shell is mobile. Zsh shell is a super computer. Zsh shell is a server. Zsh shell is a desktop. Zsh shell is growing in market share.

Ha, ha, ha! It does not matter because the FROM line on a post is irrelevant, we know it is from the flooder anyway.

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Steve Carroll

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Aug 11, 2017, 2:58:12 PM8/11/17
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On Friday, 11 August 2017 07:50:55 UTC-7, #BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> Liberals have shit for brains.



Gee, imagine VPN Egomaniac Marek Novotny trying to pin his codswallop on others, no one has ever seen that before. From how VPN Egomaniac Marek Novotny responded - by getting wrong details of the Zsh shell and the like - he has never figured out a data-intensive problem. If he had he'd have understood the requirements to not create thousands of 'launchers'! <giggle> Your system will crawl while finding a way to stop VPN Egomaniac Marek Novotny.

Idiot.

You likely think Debian handles the desktop well. Nope. Not compared to the competition. Of course I noted examples of VPN Egomaniac Marek Novotny focusing on ego and not tech -- attacking Steve Carroll, etc. His response: to double down on your lies.

Frankly I do not really give a shit. Already moved on from that. You are too slow! You are quick as a tuna on ice.

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On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 10:50:52 -0400, #BeamMeUpScotty
<Not-...@ideocracy.gov> wrote:

>Liberals have shit for brains.


hitler was the most left wing the West has ever seen, this is not a
world example but a Western one that carries no value outside the pack
of lies of imagined victim hood.

Steve Carroll

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Aug 11, 2017, 5:32:54 PM8/11/17
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Where did you find your scripts?

Steve Carroll is repeatedly seen insisting "NOT THERE" when it comes to info on the web where info is easy to find... but Steve Carroll is just too dumb or lost to interpret any info he finds. I am working on a system which will be more than anything Steve Carroll can do! You are as dumb as a shoe.

It was Steve Carroll who was openly asking how better to improve his forgeries. I shan't ask Steve Carroll how any part of Takuya Saitoh's rear tastes no matter how many times Steve Carroll kisses it.

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Steven Petruzzellis

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It was Peter the Klöwn who got busted using dozens of puppets time and time again, and these are 'people' who come literally out of the blue immediately into threads where he was being ripped apart... by Mark Bilk for over a decade. I quoted examples of Peter the Klöwn twisting Mark Bilk's words, stating quotable lies, etc. His response: to claim I am Peter the Klöwn.

Peter the Klöwn must know everyone knows he is just being a moron!

Pro tip: You will not go into a rave, knock back all the sauce, violate all the furniture, rob the food and yodel groceries in the washroom without being ridiculed. Just some names the stalker has used
"Evil" John *
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Steve C *
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Steve Carroll <noone@xxxxxxxxxxx> *
Steve Carroll <stevecarroll@xxxxxxxxxxx> *
Steve Carroll <trollkiller@xxxxxx> *
Steve Carroll's Dog *
Steve Carrolll *
Steve Carrroll *
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I bet he thinks his wife's life was fun.

Thanks to Peter the Klöwn and his 'followers' you now need an IP filtering system. Trust me, publicly (at least) I lately stopped giving him tons of attention (as of 2014). If people start responding to him again I will, too... as I promised. I'm referring to our clan here, not socks, who have been talking to him the whole time. Nobody is being controlled by Microsoft.

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On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 21:13:05 +0200 (CEST), LO AND BEHOLD; "Nomen Nescio
<nob...@dizum.com>" determined that the following was of great
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nah, yer wrong.

https://www.thoughtco.com/was-adolf-hitler-a-socialist-1221367

The Myth: Adolf Hitler, starter of World War 2 in Europe and driving force behind the Holocaust, was a socialist.

The Truth: Hitler hated socialism and communism and worked to destroy these ideologies. Nazism, confused as it was, was based on race, and fundamentally different from class focused socialism.

HITLER AS CONSERVATIVE WEAPON
Twenty-first-century commentators like to attack left leaning policies by calling them socialist, and occasionally follow this up by explaining how Hitler, the mass murdering dictator around whom the twentieth century pivoted, was a socialist himself.


There’s no way anyone can, or ever should, defend Hitler, and so things like health-care reform are equated with something terrible, a Nazi regime which sought to conquer an empire and commit several genocides. The problem is, this is a distortion of history.

HITLER AS THE SCOURGE OF SOCIALISM
Richard Evans, in his magisterial three volume history of Nazi Germany, is quite clear on whether Hitler was a socialist: “…it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth of, socialism.” (The Coming of the Third Reich, Evans, p. 173). Not only was Hitler not a socialist himself, nor a communist, but he actually hated these ideologies and did his utmost to eradicate them. At first this involved organizing bands of thugs to attack socialists in the street, but grew into invading Russia, in part to enslave the population and earn ‘living ‘ room for Germans, and in part to wipe out communism and ‘Bolshevism’.



The key element here is what Hitler did, believed and tried to create. Nazism, confused as it was, was fundamentally an ideology built around race, while socialism was entirely different: built around class. Hitler aimed to unite the right and left, including workers and their bosses, into a new German nation based on the racial identity of those in it.


Socialism, in contrast, was a class struggle, aiming to build a workers state, whatever race the worker was from. Nazism drew on a range of pan-German theories, which wanted to blend Aryan workers and Aryan magnates into a super Aryan state, which would involve the eradication of class focused socialism, as well as Judaism and other ideas deemed non-German.

When Hitler came to power he attempted to dismantle trade unions and the shell that remained loyal to him; he supported the actions of leading industrialists, actions far removed from socialism which tends to want the opposite. Hitler used the fear of socialism and communism as a way of terrifying middle and upper-class Germans into supporting him. Workers were targeted with slightly different propaganda, but these were promises simply to earn support, to get into power, and then to remake the workers along with everyone else into a racial state. There was to be no dictatorship of the proletariat as in socialism; there was just to be the dictatorship of the Fuhrer.

The belief that Hitler was a socialist seems to have emerged from two sources: the name of his political party, the National Socialist German Worker’s Party, or Nazi Party, and the early presence of socialists in it.

THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMAN WORKER’S PARTY
While it does look like a very socialist name, the problem is that ‘National Socialism’ is not socialism, but a different, fascist ideology. Hitler had originally joined when the party was called the German Worker’s Party, and he was there as a spy to keep an eye on it. It was not, as the name suggested, a devotedly left wing group, but one Hitler thought had potential, and as Hitler’s oratory became popular the party grew and Hitler became a leading figure.

At this point ‘National Socialism’ was a confused mishmash of ideas with multiple proponents, arguing for nationalism, anti-Semitism, and yes, some socialism. The party records don’t record the name change, but it’s generally believed a decision was taken to rename the party to attract people, and partly to forge links with other ‘national socialist’ parties.

The meetings began to be advertised on red banners and posters, hoping for socialists to come in and then be confronted, sometimes violently: the party was aiming to attract as much attention and notoriety as possible. But the name was not Socialism, but National Socialism and as the 20s and 30s progressed, this became an ideology Hitler would expound upon at length and which, as he took control, ceased to have anything to do with socialism.

‘NATIONAL SOCIALISM’ AND NAZISM
Hitler’s National Socialism, and quickly the only National Socialism which mattered, wished to promote those of ‘pure’ German blood, removing citizenship for Jews and aliens, and promoted eugenics, including the execution of the disabled and mentally ill. National Socialism did promote equality among Germans who passed their racist criteria, and submitted the individual to the will of the state, but did so as a right-wing racial movement which sought a nation of healthy Aryans living in a thousand year Reich, which would be achieved through war. In Nazi theory, a new, unified class was to be formed instead of religious, political and class divides, but this was to be done by rejecting ideologies such as liberalism, capitalism, and socialism, and instead pursue a different idea, of the Volksgemeinschaft (people’s community), built on war and race, ‘blood and soil’, and German heritage. Race was to be the heart of Nazism, as opposed to class focused socialism.​

Before 1934 some in the party did promote anti-capitalist and socialist ideas, such as profit-sharing, nationalization and old-age benefits, but these were merely tolerated by Hitler as he gathered support, dropped once he secured power and often later executed, such as Gregor Strasser. There was no socialist redistribution of wealth or land under Hitler – although some property changed hands thanks to looting and invasion - and while both industrialists and workers were courted, it was the former who benefitted and the latter who found themselves the target of empty rhetoric.

Indeed, Hitler became convinced that socialism was intimately connected to his even more long standing hatred - the Jews – and thus hated it even more. Socialists were the first to be locked up in concentration camps. More on the Nazi rise to power and creation of the dictatorship.

It’s worth pointing out that all aspects of Nazism had forerunners in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, and Hitler tended to cobble his ideology together from them; some historians think that ‘ideology’ gives Hitler too much credit for something which can be hard to pin down. He knew how to take things which made the socialists popular and apply them to give his party a boost. But historian Neil Gregor, in his introduction to a discussion of Nazism which includes many experts, says:

“As with other fascist ideologies and movements, it subscribed to an ideology of national renewal, rebirth, and rejuvenation manifesting itself in extreme populist radical nationalism, militarism, and – in contradistinction to many other forms of fascism, extreme biological racism…the movement understood itself to be, and indeed was, a new form of political movement…the anti-Socialist, anti-liberal, and radical nationalist tenets of Nazi ideology applied particularly to the sentiments of a middle class disorientated by the domestic and international upheavals in the inter-war period.” (Neil Gregor, Nazism, Oxford, 2000 p 4-5.)

AFTERMATH
Intriguingly, despite this being one of the most clear-cut articles on this site, it has been by far the most controversial, while statements on the origins of World War One and other actual historical controversies have passed by. This is a sign of the way modern political commentators still like to invoke the spirit of Hitler to try to make points.


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Ha, ha, ha! At times, fiction is more valuable than reality. I'm getting false positives in my kill filter. I'm guessing the VPN Egomaniac Marek Novotny nonsense is in its brain damage mode again. Yawn. Same old brain-dead trolls.

Why would you want to cap all programs on GNU/Linux to what can be done on Windows and macOS?

Mark Bilk obviously has a ton of experience to contribute and he seems to want to write tutorials. Unfortunately, this is I think the least appropriate venue for doing that because much of response is screaming, trickery and other nonsense. Lying sack of shit does it every time. Then the deluge begins. Because the milquetoast just has to run to other groups.

So, yeah, I buy into my own fiction, fully knowing it is not real, because it makes me reconsider my code, improving it.

He is as incompetent as VPN Egomaniac Marek Novotny. These morons get their jollies out of provoking replies to their flooding, which is the very definition of a troll.

Perhaps you use it erroneously. Do you not comprehend the use of proxies?

Did VPN Egomaniac Marek Novotny think that was clever?

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Oil, not ideology, decided WWII.

Germany needed the Baku oil fields.
At first, it paid Russia for it;
later, it attacked Russia to get it, but failed.

  Intentionally fooling oneself ( via SciFi, ideology and/or religion )
  can be very profitable/beneficial;
  but, if you could know the truth, you'd see that no one is free.

  SemiRandomness is SemiIgnorance, nothing more.

  The ( four dimensional ) timescape is static, immutable;
  the future is just as fixed as the past;
  but only "the present" ( a sea of "here and now" events ) exists.

  We're all just robots, programmed by nature to consume.
  The only difference between us and the sun, is how/what we consume.
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