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JeffM

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Feb 28, 2010, 6:44:01 PM2/28/10
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Schooling Microsoft On Random Browser Selection
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/02/28/1837223&threshold=5
:This computational problem has been known
:since the earliest days of computing.
:There are 5 well-known approaches: 3 good solutions,
:1 acceptable solution that is slower than necessary
:and 1 bad approach that doesn’t really work.
:Microsoft appears to have picked the bad approach.
:
While shooting themselves in the foot
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/02/28/1837223&threshold=5#31308326
well, sorta
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/02/28/1837223&threshold=5#31308846
they really screw Safari
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/02/28/1837223&threshold=5#31308428

RayLopez99

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Feb 28, 2010, 7:57:43 PM2/28/10
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On Mar 1, 1:44 am, JeffM <jef...@email.com> wrote:

> :
> While shooting themselves in the foothttp://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/02/28/1837223&thresh...
> well, sortahttp://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/02/28/1837223&thresh...
> they really screw Safarihttp://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/02/28/1837223&thresh...

Tried twice to load this and it was redirected. Spam or some virus
site for sure.

Like Linux--a virus OS.

RL

Rick

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Feb 28, 2010, 8:02:13 PM2/28/10
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So, how many people do you think take you seriously?


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Enkidu

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Feb 28, 2010, 8:11:01 PM2/28/10
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RayLopez99 wrote:

Wrong, Skippy. Perhaps your mom has CyberSitter installed on her
computer to keep you off the nasty sites.
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DFS

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Mar 1, 2010, 12:57:05 AM3/1/10
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The lusers are revolting.

Richard Rasker

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Mar 1, 2010, 2:58:51 AM3/1/10
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RayLopez99 wrote:

Here ya go:

http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/02/microsoft-random-browser-ballot.html

So the makers of "serious business software" can't even get a three-line
sorting algorithm right, due to sheer incompetence. Please tell me why I
should trust these people to handle my valuable business data?

Richard Rasker
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http://www.linetec.nl

JeffM

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Mar 1, 2010, 3:29:48 AM3/1/10
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>RayLopez99 wrote:
>>Tried twice to load this and it was redirected.
>>Spam or some virus site for sure.
>>
So, the master software critic (heh) can't even figure out
how to use a simple tool like Google Groups.
That's very telling.

Richard Rasker wrote:
>So the makers of "serious business software"
>can't even get a three-line sorting algorithm right,
>due to sheer incompetence. Please tell me why I
>should trust these people to handle my valuable business data?
>

No reason. No reason at all.
If the evidence of poor coding is this evident from the outside,
how bad must their spaghetti code look
when the covers are pulled back?

Hadron

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Mar 1, 2010, 3:43:44 AM3/1/10
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Richard Rasker <spam...@linetec.nl> writes:

When talking about getting any form of algorithm right, you are the
very last person in the world who should be casting insults about
Dicky. Time and time again you humiliate yourself when you compile
numbers. And you know it.


Peter Köhlmann

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Mar 1, 2010, 4:34:45 AM3/1/10
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Hadron wrote:

*Again* Hadron Snot Larry Quark has to defend MS at all cost, by
deflecting from the issue and attacking the messenger(s)

> And you know it.

And naturally Hadron Larry Quark tells people what they "know"
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If you had any brains, you'd be dangerous.

Richard Rasker

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Mar 1, 2010, 5:17:19 AM3/1/10
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Hadron wrote:

My maths skills are just fine, thank you very much. Obviously, I couldn't do
my job as an electronics engineer if they weren't.
My one mistake involving numbers was starting out with the wrong data set
when calculating sales rankings for Linux netbooks. I duly corrected myself
(and even apologized, IIRC) when I figured out what my mistake was.

The only "time and again" applicable here is you endlessly diggin this up --
then again, I also recall predicting that this would happen at the time I
posted my correction. So just keep at it, old boy -- you're right on
track :-)

Hadron

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Mar 1, 2010, 5:44:44 AM3/1/10
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Richard Rasker <spam...@linetec.nl> writes:

Computers .....

> My one mistake involving numbers was starting out with the wrong data set
> when calculating sales rankings for Linux netbooks. I duly corrected myself
> (and even apologized, IIRC) when I figured out what my mistake was.

Oh come on ... ;) Its not only once. And as an EE how come you got it so
badly wrong about the efficiency of your old 30 year washing
machine. Ugh. 30 years of washing a freetards keks .... LOL. Mind you I
guess it was only used once a year when your mom came down into the
cellar to see what the unholy smell was ... (joke ...).

>
> The only "time and again" applicable here is you endlessly diggin this up --
> then again, I also recall predicting that this would happen at the time I
> posted my correction. So just keep at it, old boy -- you're right on
> track :-)
>
> Richard Rasker

I cant be arsed to check now, in fact why should I? Peter says it
wouldnt be proof anyway. So lets put this down as me right and you
wrong. As Peter would ....

chrisv

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Mar 1, 2010, 8:53:14 AM3/1/10
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Richard Rasker wrote:

> Quack snotted:
>>
>> (snip lies)

Poor Larry, lying his ass off again. RR made one honest mistake, and
therefore must be ridiculed for it indefinately. Meanwhile, the Quack
asshole lies and makes a jackass of himself on pretty-much a daily
basis. Amazing.

>My maths skills are just fine, thank you very much. Obviously, I couldn't do
>my job as an electronics engineer if they weren't.
>My one mistake involving numbers was starting out with the wrong data set
>when calculating sales rankings for Linux netbooks. I duly corrected myself
>(and even apologized, IIRC) when I figured out what my mistake was.
>
>The only "time and again" applicable here is you endlessly diggin this up --
>then again, I also recall predicting that this would happen at the time I
>posted my correction. So just keep at it, old boy -- you're right on
>track :-)

"Hadron" is a liar. "Hadron" is a POS.

Richard Rasker

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Mar 1, 2010, 9:04:15 AM3/1/10
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Hadron wrote:

> Richard Rasker <spam...@linetec.nl> writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
...


>> My maths skills are just fine, thank you very much. Obviously, I couldn't
>> do my job as an electronics engineer if they weren't.
>
> Computers .....
>
>> My one mistake involving numbers was starting out with the wrong data set
>> when calculating sales rankings for Linux netbooks. I duly corrected
>> myself (and even apologized, IIRC) when I figured out what my mistake
>> was.
>
> Oh come on ... ;) Its not only once. And as an EE how come you got it so
> badly wrong about the efficiency of your old 30 year washing
> machine.

Tsk tsk ... your memory appears to be going, old boy. I readily admitted
that modern machines are more efficient than my old clunker was. But I also
showed that things weren't as dramatic as you suggested, and in particular
that the German researchers you quoted didn't take into account the
environmental effects of manufacturing new machines in the first place.

>> The only "time and again" applicable here is you endlessly diggin this up
>> -- then again, I also recall predicting that this would happen at the
>> time I posted my correction. So just keep at it, old boy -- you're right
>> on track :-)
>>
>> Richard Rasker
>
> I cant be arsed to check now, in fact why should I?

Erm, because I /do/ check my data when people suggest that I'm wrong?

> Peter says it wouldnt be proof anyway. So lets put this down as me right
> and you wrong. As Peter would ....

Sure, whatever.

RayLopez99

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Mar 2, 2010, 6:10:26 AM3/2/10
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On Mar 1, 9:58 am, Richard Rasker <spamt...@linetec.nl> wrote:
> http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/02/microsoft-random-browser-ballot.html
>
> So the makers of "serious business software" can't even get a three-line
> sorting algorithm right, due to sheer incompetence. Please tell me why I
> should trust these people to handle my valuable business data?
>

Good article. It's shocking they could not get the comparison
function right. I've written some of these and I never stray past the
generic way of doing it, using the simplest of comparisons. Note they
put a Math.random() function in it?! I'm surprised this thing did not
go into an infinite loop or give a runtime exception.

But keep in mind programmers are human, like you and your mistake with
the washing machine (which will haunt you as long as you live). And
it could have happened to a Linux programmer. Further, MSFT's mistake
was "open source" in the sense that somebody caught it.

RL

nessuno

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Mar 2, 2010, 10:00:42 AM3/2/10
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On Feb 28, 3:44 pm, JeffM <jef...@email.com> wrote:
>  Schooling Microsoft On Random Browser Selectionhttp://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/02/28/1837223&thresh...

> :This computational problem has been known
> :since the earliest days of computing.
> :There are 5 well-known approaches: 3 good solutions,
> :1 acceptable solution that is slower than necessary
> :and 1 bad approach that doesn’t really work.
> :Microsoft appears to have picked the bad approach.
> :
> While shooting themselves in the foothttp://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/02/28/1837223&thresh...

I wonder if that's how they shuffle cards in their Solitaire game.
The only good thing about Windows 3.1 (last time I used Windows).
Especially the part where the cards flip through the air when you win
(Aisleriot on Linux is disappointing in this regard).

One Shot, One Kill

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Mar 2, 2010, 10:09:08 AM3/2/10
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"chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> Richard Rasker wrote:
>
>
> "Hadron" is a liar. "Hadron" is a POS.
>

go lick the crap off from roy's boots you sewer scum liar.


chrisv

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Mar 2, 2010, 10:26:39 AM3/2/10
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nessuno wrote:

>I wonder if that's how they shuffle cards in their Solitaire game.
>The only good thing about Windows 3.1 (last time I used Windows).
>Especially the part where the cards flip through the air when you win
>(Aisleriot on Linux is disappointing in this regard).

Hey, I had hours of fun playing Minesweeper!

JeffM

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Mar 2, 2010, 3:35:14 PM3/2/10
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>On Feb 28, 3:44 pm, JeffM <jef...@email.com> wrote:
>>Schooling Microsoft On Random Browser Selectionhttp://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/02/28/1837223&thresh...
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Sinister Midget III

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Mar 2, 2010, 8:20:04 PM3/2/10
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On 2010-03-02, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> claimed:

> Hey, I had hours of fun playing Minesweeper!

Me, too. Then I grew up and wanted an operating system. It took a
couple of more years, but I finally found it. Then it was Sayonara
Windwoes on everything over which I have control.

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