We can see why Alan Baker decided he doesn't need an iPad.
LOLLERCOASTER
Dumb ass! Which $15 USB cable will do all those things? Answer none!
They could be used to connect to another box ($) that could do what
those cables do without a box. And who the hell says you have to buy
them at Apple anyway?
As a troll, this is pathetic. You and zara, or you and all the other
socks you use, need to get your shit together. Your trolling skills
have really gone into decline. :)
--
Lloyd
WTF are you trying to say, Alan?
> And who the hell says you have to buy
> them at Apple anyway?
Apple probably would like you to buy from them.
How about links to places that sell the same adaptors for less, Alan?
> As a troll, this is pathetic.
Yes, this is one of your worst trolls, Alan. Good of you to recognize that.
> You and zara, or you and all the other
> socks you use, need to get your shit together. Your trolling skills
> have really gone into decline. :)
Hi, Sandman! How many socks does this "Alan Baker" have anyway?
LOLLERCOASTER
> --
> Lloyd
>
>
http://www.ip-accessories.net/5-in-1-connection-kit-273.html
> > As a troll, this is pathetic.
>
> Yes, this is one of your worst trolls, Alan. Good of you to recognize that.
>
> > You and zara, or you and all the other
> > socks you use, need to get your shit together. Your trolling skills
> > have really gone into decline. :)
>
> Hi, Sandman! How many socks does this "Alan Baker" have anyway?
>
> LOLLERCOASTER
>
> > --
> > Lloyd
> >
> >
--
Lloyd
Missed this one. Any tablet or computer with a USB port will do all of
those things, Alan. Those other connectors for the iPad are made to make
up for the lack of USB.
LOLLERCOASTER
>> > They could be used to connect to another box ($) that could do what
>> > those cables do without a box.
>>
>> WTF are you trying to say, Alan?
>>
>> > And who the hell says you have to buy
>> > them at Apple anyway?
>>
>> Apple probably would like you to buy from them.
>>
>> How about links to places that sell the same adaptors for less, Alan?
>>
> http://www.ip-accessories.net/5-in-1-connection-kit-273.html
Costs $45 but doesn't do everything listed above.
That is a pretty stupid statement, Edwin. While they may all have the
USB plug at one end, they don't have the proper connections at the other
end (you know, where you plug them into TV or whatever that you are
trying to get content to). Therefore, even with a USB port, you would
still have to buy all those cables, only with a USB plug on one end
instead of Apple's port.
>
> LOLLERCOASTER
Yeah, you did make quite a fool of yourself on that one.
[snip]
I AM zara.
Why would every person need all of those?
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
OK! Take a chill pill!! :)
But if you're gonna come back to troll, you need to get better bait.
This is just not up to your usual standards...
--
Lloyd
You seemed to be the one who was a little testy.
>
> But if you're gonna come back to troll, you need to get better bait.
> This is just not up to your usual standards...
Admittedly I am a little rusty. I'm trying to read the waters. But 4
MacFish on one toss isn't too bad. I don't know who the prize fish are
today, but the learning curve should be fast. Does that rug muncher,
Michelle Steiner still post here?
So Apple hardware is magical but their cables aren't?
Are you serious. He got like 5 of the Appholes all riled up. He hit
a little close to home.
Not a bit. Weather was good so I got out for a round of golf. That
always makes for a good day.
> >
> > But if you're gonna come back to troll, you need to get better bait.
> > This is just not up to your usual standards...
>
> Admittedly I am a little rusty. I'm trying to read the waters. But 4
> MacFish on one toss isn't too bad. I don't know who the prize fish are
> today, but the learning curve should be fast. Does that rug muncher,
> Michelle Steiner still post here?
Not very often.
--
Lloyd
> Admittedly I am a little rusty. I'm trying to read the waters. But 4
> MacFish on one toss isn't too bad. I don't know who the prize fish are
> today, but the learning curve should be fast. Does that rug muncher,
> Michelle Steiner still post here?
Not much apparently except when the libturd lemming skank posts on
reply to a posts crossposted from comp.mobile.ipad.
I've had fun slapping the dumbass skank bitch around over there
lately, however.
--
MFB
Weather is good here everyday. I'd crush you at golf. I'd let you and
all the Appholes play best ball and give you a stroke a hole and still
win with nothing buy my irons.
>
>
> > > But if you're gonna come back to troll, you need to get better bait.
> > > This is just not up to your usual standards...
>
> > Admittedly I am a little rusty. I'm trying to read the waters. But 4
> > MacFish on one toss isn't too bad. I don't know who the prize fish are
> > today, but the learning curve should be fast. Does that rug muncher,
> > Michelle Steiner still post here?
>
> Not very often.
>
> --
> Lloyd- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Given that we're 30+ years apart in age you might. But if we were to
handicap it a bit. You on the normal tees, me on the forward ones, you
might find my short game a bit better than you can handle... :)
Next time I'm going to Florida I'll let you know. I enjoy a good round
of golf with practically anyone. Of course, you're buying at the club
house since your rich!!! :)
--
Lloyd
I'm totally serious. You come, you can golf for free here. Included in
the HOA and recreational lease.
Kewl!
But the chances of me coming to Florida anytime soon are pretty slim.
Too many other things going on. But I appreciate the offer of
hospitality.
--
Lloyd
Who needs a $15 USB cable?
See. This is the problem with the Apple fanboy. They are so out of touch
with what other people pay for the same thing (or better) that they don't
realize what things actually cost.
One standard video cable and one standard USB cable with each be dirt
cheap.
That's the advantage of having the port on the device rather than forcing
the user to do the equivalent of a TI/99 expansion.
[deletia]
--
Apple: because using something other than an Apple is an "edge case". |||
/ | \
> On 2011-03-31, Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:
> > In article <in274r$snn$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavic...@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >
> >> "zara" <zara...@heddon.com> wrote in message
> >> news:810lp.466$8U5...@newsfe20.iad...
> >> > Where a $15 USB cable could have done it all..
> >> >
> >> > http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipad/ipad_accessories?mco=MTM3
> >> > NDc
> >> > 0MTM
> >> >
> >> > Digital AV Adapter $39.00
> >> > VGA Adapter $29.00
> >> > Component AV Cable $39.00
> >> > Composite AV Cable $39.00
> >> > Camera Connection Kit $29.00
> >> >
> >>
> >> We can see why Alan Baker decided he doesn't need an iPad.
> >>
> > Dumb ass! Which $15 USB cable will do all those things? Answer none!
>
> Who needs a $15 USB cable?
>
The OP who is NOT an Apple fanboy, he's another idiot like you. I just
used his figgers. I generally pay about $3 for a USB cable.
> See. This is the problem with the Apple fanboy. They are so out of touch
> with what other people pay for the same thing (or better) that they don't
> realize what things actually cost.
>
> One standard video cable and one standard USB cable with each be dirt
> cheap.
>
And wouldn't do the job either.
> That's the advantage of having the port on the device rather than forcing
> the user to do the equivalent of a TI/99 expansion.
>
Yep, add lots of ports to an ultra-portable, that makes sense -- NOT
--
Lloyd
Sure it would. That's assuming that the device vendor is playing nice
to begin with and giving you a useful device with enough ports and ones
that are actually widely used.
I could see how an Apple users's default presumption would be contrary.
I have 3 different dongles for 3 different revisions of the same Mac.
Apparently, only JED can use a single VGA cable to plug into four
different video ports (VGA, DVI, Component and Composite)...or is he
plugging it in via USB? ;-)
-hh
Who cares about VGA? This is 2011. I thought you fanboy weenies were
supposed to be about "quality" and being on the "cutting edge".
...and you boobs hurl "green screen" nonsense at me.
For a modern "consumption device", there is an obvious choice and you
didn't even bother to mention it. Little surprise there.
[deletia]
--
If some college kid can replicate your "invention" without seeing |||
any of the details of your patent then you have been granted a patent / | \
on the "idea" and not the actual implementation.
The OP (and troll) did, as a means to try to inflate the significance
of his claim.
And you effectively endorsed it...no running away from it now, JED.
> I thought you fanboy weenies were
> supposed to be about "quality" and being on the "cutting edge".
So then why did you also effectively endorse Composite and Component
interfaces too? Was it simply that you neglected to read *anything*
before jumping on the Bandwagon.
> ...and you boobs hurl "green screen" nonsense at me.
???
> For a modern "consumption device", there is an obvious choice and you
> didn't even bother to mention it. Little surprise there.
Except that I'm not rediculing the OP troll for having an incomplete
list: I'm rediculing you for your claim that you can use a single
cable for four very different video interfaces.
And it doesn't matter if none of them are the best choice, unless
you're going to try to claim that your same cable that already does
DVI, VGA, Composite and Component can do more, such as HDMI or MDP.
Frankly, the obvious choice path forward for a modern portable device
is to obsolete all physical cables and just stream its data
wirelessly.
-hh
I'll play off just my own ball for $5,000 this summer if you'll give me
a stroke a hole. I'll even let you play your woods.
You game?
Make it 100K cash (need to see your cash before hand), play straight
up, on the course of my choice. I'll do that tomorrow.
So you're chickening out?
I don't have $100K in cash, so I can't take your bet.
Come on, rich guy. Surely a guy who's buying a Hyundai for a track day
car would be interested in an extra $5,000. Or were you just
bullshitting as usual.
I'll race you for $5k in my piece of shit Hyundai though. That will
only take a couple of minutes.
So you're chickening out...
I'm flying down on my nickel and offering you a chance both to make good
on your boast that you can beat me at golf and make $1,250/hr...
...and you're backing down.
>
> I'll race you for $5k in my piece of shit Hyundai though. That will
> only take a couple of minutes.
Before you deflect any more, let's be clear: you said you could beat any
of us "Appholes" giving a stroke a hole, I bet you $5,000 and even let
you out of your stricture that you'd use only your irons...
...and you're backing out.
Right or wrong?
[deletia]
>> I'll race you for $5k in my piece of shit Hyundai though. That will
>> only take a couple of minutes.
>
>
> Before you deflect any more, let's be clear: you said you could beat any
> of us "Appholes" giving a stroke a hole, I bet you $5,000 and even let
> you out of your stricture that you'd use only your irons...
>
> ...and you're backing out.
>
> Right or wrong?
>
Both of you sissies ought to stop playing golf and play some real sports
for real men.
Hockey and soccer comes to mind.
In fairness he did say,
"Make it 100K cash (need to see your cash before hand), play straight
up, on the course of my choice. I'll do that tomorrow."
$5000 is really chump change. I charge that much to sit on my ass at my
desk and consult for a few hours. To bake my brains on a hot Florida golf
course would take considerably more.
How about long range shooting, do you have any interest or proficiency
there?
Then you must not be a real golfer. I play all the time here and our
biggest bet would be $1/hole match, $0.10/point, or $0.25/skins. Heat,
rain, heck sometimes even snow, doesn't daunt us from playing the big
bucks!! :)
> How about long range shooting, do you have any interest or proficiency
> there?
--
Lloyd
Right, I don't golf. I'm a fisherman and shooter.
> I play all the time here and our
> biggest bet would be $1/hole match, $0.10/point, or $0.25/skins. Heat,
> rain, heck sometimes even snow, doesn't daunt us from playing the big
> bucks!! :)
If you're having fun that's all that matters.
I'm not backing out at all. I'm upping the stakes and providing some
ground rules. 100k cash monies for 18 holes of golf. Lowest scores
win. Winner takes all. Golf course of my choice. 13 clubs in a bag.
Actually, you are backing out by trying to bluff your way out of a bet
that you were afraid could actually come real. Afterall, a truly
affluent person wouldn't be so obsessed about the cash value of the
bet, but more about the honor involved...which is one of those things
that MONEY can't buy.
100k cash monies for 18 holes of golf. Lowest scores
> win. Winner takes all. Golf course of my choice. 13 clubs in a bag.
My my. For someone who *claimed* to be so confident in his abilities,
Muah just scrubbed 18 strokes off of the offer.
-hh
I think you can find Alan Baker hiding in the tall weeds.
Sounds interesting, but you are another who wouldn't know what a monied
person does or doesn't do.
But I'll bet you know all about what you can't buy. That's why you
pitifully rage and hate so against those who can. So sad.
Offer Stands. 100k Cash 18 Holes, Lowest Score Wins, Winner takes all,
Course of my choice. I'll throw in a mulligan for the 1st tee shot for
you.
Lets do it Thursday.
Offshore fishing is one of the things I miss since moving from Key West.
Some of the best fishing I ever did was there. We could get up any
morning and decide to have a fish fry and go fishing, and know we were
going to have enough to go around.
> > I play all the time here and our
> > biggest bet would be $1/hole match, $0.10/point, or $0.25/skins. Heat,
> > rain, heck sometimes even snow, doesn't daunt us from playing the big
> > bucks!! :)
>
> If you're having fun that's all that matters.
>
I do have fun on the course. And walking it gives me as much excercise
as my old bones can take these days.
Played today, wind gusts up to 40mph made for some damn interesting
shots!!
--
Lloyd
What independent third party holds the cash, to prove that you're good
for it? :-)
-hh
I like to wade around and get up close and personal. The black water is
particularly spooky. When you wade in the bait anyone can come along, like
bull sharks. Harmless unless your dumb enough to carry bait in your pocket
or release fish without getting real shallow first
>> > I play all the time here and our
>> > biggest bet would be $1/hole match, $0.10/point, or $0.25/skins. Heat,
>> > rain, heck sometimes even snow, doesn't daunt us from playing the big
>> > bucks!! :)
>>
>> If you're having fun that's all that matters.
>>
> I do have fun on the course. And walking it gives me as much excercise
> as my old bones can take these days.
>
> Played today, wind gusts up to 40mph made for some damn interesting
> shots!!
Heavy winds make shooting interesting also. Would you believe a good heavy
crosswind can push a bullet 6 inches at 100 meters. At 1000 yards it's
unbelievable.
>
> --
> Lloyd
>
>
> I like to wade around and get up close and personal.
I bet Ballmer likes it too. Does he get hot and bothered when you are
close to him?
Your mother does.
No. You're backing out.
You said you could give me a stroke a hole using only your irons, and
now you're changing what you claim. "Lowest scoreS win"? What the hell
is that? Are you trying to say match play? Do you even actually play
golf.
And I replied that standard connections drive down prices for after
market accessories. A VGA port would do the same for a tablet if you
could find some suitable way to mount it on the device.
>
> And you effectively endorsed it...no running away from it now, JED.
>
>> I thought you fanboy weenies were
>> supposed to be about "quality" and being on the "cutting edge".
>
> So then why did you also effectively endorse Composite and Component
I've never advocated using these kinds of outputs for anything.
[deletia]
You're trying to obscure the truth of the matter with excrement.
--
Nevermind the pirates. Sony needs to worry about it's own back catalog. |||
/ | \
Nice theory, but in practice you can't really find a "suitable way" to
add it to the device because the interface is too big relative to the
form factor.
And this assumes that you can even pick but one so-called "Standard
connection", even though the OP's list of four different ones all are
plausible. As Lloyd pointed out, there's also the slippery slope of
scope creep, so instead of trying to find the real estate for one,
you're now trying to find the real estate for multiple video
ports...on that small, mobile device.
> > And you effectively endorsed it...no running away from it now, JED.
>
> >> I thought you fanboy weenies were
> >> supposed to be about "quality" and being on the "cutting edge".
>
> > So then why did you also effectively endorse Composite and Component
>
> I've never advocated using these kinds of outputs for anything.
Except that they were on the OP's list for which you chose to be
silent on their implications, since that didn't suit your agenda.
>
> [deletia]
>
> You're trying to obscure the truth of the matter with excrement.
Where your perception of the "truth" is to load up the device with a
bunch of common physical interfaces, because using a single one
that's proprietary is philisophically "offensive" to you despite the
tangible benefits it affords in facilitating a smaller form factor.
So fine! Don't use Apple 30-pin 'universal port' interface - - but
what are you going to use instead that's still a *single* port?
Unless one is going to go wireless (as I already mentioned), the only
way to get small is through a single interface that will need to be
some sort of "universal" interface port - - so what specific interface
does this today that has already sold 500+ Million copies (as the
Apple one has) but is not proprietary?
Sure, USB is probably an option, but when reviewing their retail
prices, to see if it really is both viable as well as cost-
competitive, we find:
DVI: $45 & up
VGA: $45 & up
Composite: $33 & up
RCA Component: $10 & up
SD camera: $10 & up
Subtotal: $143 ... so you're gnashing your teeth over a mere $20
(less than the typical sales tax on an iPad).
FWIW, I'll freely admit that the Apple solution of a single port that
then can accept various "dongle-esque" adaptors isn't the best
possible solution: the best solution would have been for us to have
never had multiple video standards in the first place.
However, since that's simply not an option, it comes down to the
question of how to support the capability, and the options are limited
to either a row of "standard" legacy ports which take up room, or a
"universal" port that will use ad hoc adaptors & dongles for each.
No matter what "universal" port is proposed, there's going to be
dongles to support these various legacy standards, and unless there's
a proprietary port that inserts control, there's also going to be the
question on if they're going to actually work...
So do feel free to go buy one of those Android tablets that has a USB
port and all of the above adaptors and post a video that demonstrates
that it's all "out of the box" functional without having any hassles.
If you can't do that, then the proposition is that the public is
better off by just paying the "It just Works" tax, which here is no
more than $20 (and probably a lot less, since few people need all four
of these video adaptors.
-hh
> Nice theory, but in practice you can't really find a "suitable way" to
> add it to the device because the interface is too big relative to the
> form factor.
A couple of common cables, which cost pennies to manufacture, should
be thrown in the box. The prices for these cables are absurd.
Steve
Accepted. I'm assuming you're setting up an escrow for the money.
> Lets do it Thursday.
Sure. Email me course/time/escrow information.
...which is why never suggested such a thing.
This insistence you have on trying to pin this on me is just sad.
[deletia]
I wonder if this will flower into another Hadronism.
--
This is a consumer product. |||
World domination simply isn't necessary. / | \
Include useful, standard, widely uses interfaces and you don't have
to worry about the cost of cables. While the rubes will certainly spend
more than they need to for a CablesToGo product at the Apple store, the
rest of us don't have to.
If dongles are a best seller, than your design has failed.
If you are lucky, perhaps your target market will be willing to drink
the cool-aid and offer all manner of excuses for your incompetent design
and even go so far as to claim that your designs are actually better.
People are gullible enough to brainwash themselves into anything.
So here were the retail prices from Google on the **NON**-propritary
USB adaptors:
DVI: $45 & up
VGA: $45 & up
Composite: $33 & up
RCA Component: $10 & up
SD camera: $10 & up
So why are these NONproprietary cables basically the same damn price
as the Apple ones, Boys?
Oh that's right: these are all "PENNIES EACH" and Google Marketplace
can't find any examples.
> If dongles are a best seller, than your design has failed.
And now a "Best Seller" too? Aaaand JED's off dragging those
goalposts again, to try to save face. \
> If you are lucky, perhaps your target market will be willing to drink
> the cool-aid and offer all manner of excuses for your incompetent design
> and even go so far as to claim that your designs are actually better.
By that same metric, why aren't those bazillions of PCs using USB able
to get those prices down either? The Marketplace prices are thus
saying that the entire PC & Linux Worlds are cool-aid drinkers
too...or, your logic and claims are simply wrong.
> People are gullible enough to brainwash themselves into anything.
Hey poster boy: because by the time that you "no compromise" add all
of the ports, bells and whistles that you want to your "perfect"
portable device, it is going to be a 25lb anchor. Maybe it is time to
peel yourself away from that Warez PC Tower in mamma's basement and
notice that half the country is now using portable laptops.
-hh
Ok. Done. Send 100k to boynto...@gmail.com PayPal.
See you Thursday.
> So here were the retail prices from Google on the **NON**-propritary
> USB adaptors:
>
> DVI: $45& up
> VGA: $45& up
> Composite: $33& up
> RCA Component: $10& up
> SD camera: $10& up
>
>
> So why are these NONproprietary cables basically the same damn price
> as the Apple ones, Boys?
Cause they can get that much? It certainly doesn't negate the claim
that they cost "pennies" to manufacture.
Steve
eBay, all you want cheap.
With the semantic loophole being that its just a few THOUSAND pennies.
"Check".
Bottom line is that despite all of the postured hand-wringing about
the huuuuuge rip-off of everything Apple, USB isn't materially cheaper
for this interface.
-hh
You jumped on the bandwagon.
The bandwagon was strife with fallacies and went down in flames.
And now it is anyone's fault but your own that you got burned.
>
> [deletia]
>
> I wonder if this will flower into another Hadronism.
No, it is just YA example of "JED the Hypocrite". Nothing surprising
at all about that.
-hh
> >> Nice theory, but in practice you can't really find a "suitable way" to
> >> add it to the device because the interface is too big relative to the
> >> form factor.
> >
> > A couple of common cables, which cost pennies to manufacture, should
> > be thrown in the box. The prices for these cables are absurd.
>
> Include useful, standard, widely uses interfaces and you don't have
> to worry about the cost of cables.
How many VGA ports does your tablet have? Is only one really
sufficient?
--
Sandman[.net]
I just got FOUR USB power cords to idevices (iPad, iPhone, etc) for
$4.99 including shipping off of eBay.
http://bit.ly/gbTioX
$19.00 EACH at Apple.com Total, with Tax: $83.41
http://bit.ly/fnpqIT
Steve
No fancy comeback from Steve.
> > Bottom line is that despite all of the postured hand-wringing about
> > the huuuuuge rip-off of everything Apple, USB isn't materially cheaper
> > for this interface.
>
> I just got FOUR USB power cords to idevices (iPad, iPhone, etc) for
> $4.99 including shipping off of eBay.http://bit.ly/gbTioX
>
> $19.00 EACH at Apple.com Total, with Tax: $83.41http://bit.ly/fnpqIT
And RAM has never been cheap at Apple either, so So What?
All that your finding of cheap USB-AUC cables on eBay has illustrated
is exactly my point: the product's cost is not due to Apple's
proprietary interface connector. If you check the archives, you'll
find that I had pointed this out several months ago, specifically
mentioning a per-cable price of under $2 on Amazon.
-hh
LOL! Newsflash!
Apple charges more for cables than some other places!
I'm glad you showed us as I'm sure no one noticed before.
--
Lloyd
What's done? You did not email me anything, and a paypal account is
certainly not an escrow. Are you fucktarded? If you don't have 100k to
bet, then don't offer it up.
>> Ok. Done. Send 100k to boynto...@gmail.com PayPal.
>>
>> See you Thursday.
>
> What's done? You did not email me anything, and a paypal account is
> certainly not an escrow. Are you fucktarded? If you don't have 100k to
> bet, then don't offer it up.
If he comes through with the escrow - which he probably won't - are you
really going to bet $100K on a round of golf?
Are you rich, or stupid, or scratch, or all three?
Probably all three.
Although, in my defense, anyone who wants to bet 5k, then ups it to
100k when someone tries to call him out on that bet, is obviously
someone who is not comfortable with his golf skills. Scratch or not, I
like my odds for sure. Stupid...well most definitely.
I don't think I actually need a stroke a hole, but it was your boast
that you could give those strokes... ...and use only your irons as well.
It turns out that you're not as brave as your words, doesn't it?
:-)
$5,000 bet on my original terms, I'll fly down within the next two
months on my own dime. At that point, you show that you actually have
the $5,000 to bet and I do the same.
Then it's any golf course you want and I get a stroke a hole. I'll even
let you out of your claim to use only your irons.
Are you in or are you out?
I posted this as "-hh" is making it sound like everyone charges prices
similar to Apple's cable prices.
Steve
> And a lot less than others. I've seen HDMI cables for $45 where Apple
> sells them for $20.
Their $19 HDMI cables are over priced.
"Usually, I would recommend that people buy Apple accessories for
their Apple devices to ensure the best compatibility; however, this is
just a standard HDMI cable, there is nothing at all special or unique
to Apple about it, save for the fact that it's a little overpriced. My
recommendation: save your money and find one somewhere else for
roughly half the price."
Steve
Don't most peripherals come with USB connectors?