Seriously, fuck Windows 11

[RabidPedagog]

It turns out that the issues I was having with some of my hardware was
the result of Windows 11 being shit.

1) My fingerprint sensor would periodically stop working and start
working again. I had the hardware changed but once it returned, the
issue was still there to an extent. No driver update, driver rollback or
configuration change would remedy the issue.

2) As of yesterday, the speakers on this laptop started sounded as if
the sound was being played through a tin can. Additionally, the volume
was very slow. No configuration change of the Dolby software or
removal/reinstallation of the Realtek drivers would change a thing. The
problem was such tha even going through a Linux live environment or
install wouldn't fix the issue.

The solution? Downgrade to Windows 10. Surprisingly, that was it.
Suddenly, all of the issues disappeared. I bet that going into Linux
Mint won't have the volume troubles either. That's how shit Windows 11
is: it causes you to have hardware problems which transfer over to
another operating system.

--
RabidPedagog
TG: @RabidPedagog
Fuck Windows 11.

[RabidPedagog]

Before anyone asks, yes I did consider re-downloading the Windows 11 ISO
and reinstalling. In fact, I downloaded two ISOs: Windows 11 English UK
and Windows 11 English US. Both were copied using the USB Image Writer
in Linux Mint. Once run, they both stopped the installation claiming
that I was missing some sort of media driver (the problem Windows 11
seems to have caused to transfer over to Linux too). I imagine that
maybe the NVIDIA driver caused this, but I have no idea and have never
faced such a ridiculous issue before. Usually, running a Linux live
environment eliminates the possibility that it is a driver or software
issue.

That is, I kid you not, the ultimate demonstration of operating system
incompetence.

[RonB]

Hard to figure out how that would work. The Windows 11 drivers must actually
change something in the hardware and, apparently, Linux Mint Live just takes
the hardware "as is." This is pure conjecture, I have no idea why Windows 11
would change the behavior of Linux Mint Live.

Is Windows 10 still working correctly?

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

[RabidPedagog]

So far, only Windows 10 is working correctly. However, considering the
experience, I'm making an image of 10 and will be going ahead with a
full migration to Mint. I'm not saying that I won't be back, but I
remember that I didn't like 10 all that much more than 11.

[DFS]

On 11/11/2023 12:59 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:


> That's how shit Windows 11
> is: it causes you to have hardware problems which transfer over to
> another operating system.

stfu Feeb

[DFS]

On 11/11/2023 1:15 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:

> the problem Windows 11 seems to have caused to transfer over to Linux too

wtf?

That's even more moronic than a run-of-the-mill Feeb spew.

[Relf]

> Seriously, fuck Windows 11

I've never felt a desire to try Win11.
I might try Win12.

My Logitech g635 USB HeadSet is 7 channel surroundsound.

[RonB]

Personally I haven't seen a whole lot of difference between the two on my
trailing edge computers. But that probably just means I don't use either
enough to know much about them.

Good luck. Hope it works out for you. (This is must be a third computer
other than the Linux Mint one and the Mac?)

[candycanearter07]

Everything I've seen about W11 points to it being a reskin of W10 with
dumb changes (right click menu, Metro Settings being awful, gutting
control panel, the setting default browser controversy, being more
forceful about making a MS account, etc).
I'm looking forward to W12 only to see if Windows breaks its "odd
versions are bad, even are good" pattern.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

[RabidPedagog]

If I hadn't experienced myself, I would have considered everything I
described impossible. Nevertheless, something caused Windows 11 itself
to lose volume, regain it temporarily, lose it again and so on... as if
the hardware was defective. It might have been an NVIDIA driver screwing
up as a result of being connected by HDMI, but reconnecting and
disconnecting should have fixed it. It didn't. Anyways, everything is
working fine now, no thanks to Windows 11. That piece of shit will never
again be installed on this machine.

[Joel]

You are a great advocate by using Linux so resourcefully, fuck what
DFS says.

--
Joel Crump

[chrisv]

RabidPedagog wrote:

>The solution? Downgrade to Windows 10. Surprisingly, that was it.
>Suddenly, all of the issues disappeared. I bet that going into Linux
>Mint won't have the volume troubles either. That's how shit Windows 11
>is: it causes you to have hardware problems which transfer over to
>another operating system.

I recently got "upgraded" to WinDOS 11 at work. I had no choice in
the matter. It seems to be working OK on my HP laptop (which stays
closed and connected to a docking station, to which my ergo keyboard
and big monitor connect, I don't like laptops).

I've also been using Onedrive at work, which kind of pisses me off
with its operation, but it works well enough, I guess. Until it fscks
me, I suppose.

--
"When you install Windows you agree to their data collection policies.
There's no spying whatsoever." - some dumb fsck

[RabidPedagog]

Nope, it's the one I had Linux Mint on. I went back to Windows to get
the saves for the game I wanted to play under Linux. Then, when it was
time to migrate over to Linux, all of the issues I mentioned popped up.
They were present in 11 and then present in Mint as well. I needed to
fix the issues before trying to get Linux back on again.

[candycanearter07]

On 11/11/23 16:56, chrisv wrote:
> I've also been using Onedrive at work, which kind of pisses me off
> with its operation, but it works well enough, I guess. Until it fscks
> me, I suppose.
>

Onedrive bothers me because how tightly it's tied into your MS account,
because signing in converts your account with no way to undo it from
what I remember.

[Borax Man]

I use OneDrive at work and it confuses the hell out of me. OneDrive
is somehow linked with SharePoint, and there is Teams as well. Worst
thing is you can't link say an Excel file to a word document, because
OneDrive doesn't give you a proper path, unless you sync it, which
adds another layer of complexity.


--

[DFS]

On 11/11/2023 5:27 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:
> On 2023-11-11 2:20 p.m., DFS wrote:
>> On 11/11/2023 12:59 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>
>>
>>> That's how shit Windows 11 is: it causes you to have hardware
>>> problems which transfer over to another operating system.
>>
>>
>> stfu Feeb
>
> If I hadn't experienced myself, I would have considered everything I
> described impossible.

You're claiming Windows 11 did something to your fingerprint sensor and
speakers, and then the same speaker problems appeared under Linux, but
Windows 10 somehow fixed them?

Pull another one.

> Nevertheless, something caused Windows 11 itself
> to lose volume, regain it temporarily, lose it again and so on... as if
> the hardware was defective. It might have been an NVIDIA driver screwing
> up as a result of being connected by HDMI, but reconnecting and
> disconnecting should have fixed it. It didn't. Anyways, everything is
> working fine now, no thanks to Windows 11. That piece of shit will never
> again be installed on this machine.

I could've made a pretty penny from you by betting against these Feebish
claims of 'never again'.

FYI: you've switched back and forth between Windows and Linux around
250x since you started posting here 10 years ago, or once every 2 weeks
on avg.

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-11-11 5:56 p.m., chrisv wrote:
> RabidPedagog wrote:
>
>> The solution? Downgrade to Windows 10. Surprisingly, that was it.
>> Suddenly, all of the issues disappeared. I bet that going into Linux
>> Mint won't have the volume troubles either. That's how shit Windows 11
>> is: it causes you to have hardware problems which transfer over to
>> another operating system.
>
> I recently got "upgraded" to WinDOS 11 at work. I had no choice in
> the matter. It seems to be working OK on my HP laptop (which stays
> closed and connected to a docking station, to which my ergo keyboard
> and big monitor connect, I don't like laptops).
>
> I've also been using Onedrive at work, which kind of pisses me off
> with its operation, but it works well enough, I guess. Until it fscks
> me, I suppose.

Apparently, it wasn't enough for Microsoft to force-feed me OneDrive. I
swear to God, when you install Windows 11 and you're forced to sign in,
you're also forced to see your local Documents and Pictures folder go to
C:\Users\user\OneDrive\Documents, there is no choice in the matter. Try
to change it and it'll give you an error, you have to jump through hoops
to restore it to the default.

With the audio, I can't explain what happened but I can say that every
so often I would get it to have the normal volume again, but it would
quickly crackle and go back to a lousy, canned volume. It really sounded
like a defective speaker, which would have been confirmed since it
didn't work right in Linux either... but a downgrade fixed it. It's like
the hardware was reset or something. Now, not only does the sound work
right, but even the fingerprint sensor which kept disappearing and
reappearing is perfect. Seriously, how much garbage did they put in
Windows 11 for it to do something this annoying?

DFS is free to look up the problem for himself, and the fact that so
far, none of the users who have suffered through it have found a
solution. I feel like making a new Reddit account and telling them, but
I hate the site and its far-left bias. Just search "zephyrus low volume"
and you'll have a description of the problem: low volume that sounds
like it's coming through a can. Not one has thought of downgrading to
Windows 10... because the solution makes absolutely no sense and
confirms that Windows 11 is pure shite.

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-11-11 6:52 p.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 11/11/23 16:56, chrisv wrote:
>> I've also been using Onedrive at work, which kind of pisses me off
>> with its operation, but it works well enough, I guess.  Until it fscks
>> me, I suppose.
>>
>
> Onedrive bothers me because how tightly it's tied into your MS account,
> because signing in converts your account with no way to undo it from
> what I remember.

Yep, that's been my experience as well. There's nothing wrong with
OneDrive, it's a very decent product, but it shouldn't be pushed like a
mandatory product to purchase.

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-11-11 7:32 p.m., DFS wrote:
> On 11/11/2023 5:27 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:
>> On 2023-11-11 2:20 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>> On 11/11/2023 12:59 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> That's how shit Windows 11 is: it causes you to have hardware
>>>> problems which transfer over to another operating system.
>>>
>>>
>>> stfu Feeb
>>
>> If I hadn't experienced myself, I would have considered everything I
>> described impossible.
>
>
> You're claiming Windows 11 did something to your fingerprint sensor and
> speakers, and then the same speaker problems appeared under Linux, but
> Windows 10 somehow fixed them?
>
> Pull another one.

For two years of owning this laptop, the sound is always perfect. Last
night, after disconnecting the laptop from a dock which has HDMI
connected to it, I turn it back on upstairs and the sound was low and
sounded like it was coming out of a can. I had to go somewhere though so
I didn't have much time to try to fix it. Meanwhile, tons of people on
the web complain of the same thing with no way of actually solving it
other than "wait it out, it comes back sometimes."

Try a Linux live environment, same thing. Force a reset of the machine,
the sound comes back temporarily and then becomes problematic within a
minute. Change every sound-related setting and reinstall all software
and drivers, problem remains. Do a cold boot once again, doesn't work.
INSTALL LINUX... problem goes away until the NVIDIA proprietary driver
is installed... suggesting some sort of a software issue which caused
the audio to get stuck with the problem remaining in Linux. Use a
Windows 11 USB key to reinstall... the installer suggests that a driver
is missing. Make a Windows 11 USB key in Linux because it might be
corrupted (and try two different ISOs), same thing and you can't even
install because "a driver is missing." Out of desperation, use an old
Windows 10 USB key... which solves the problem. In fact, it solves the
fingerprint sensor problem too.

If you can explain it, be my guest.

>> Nevertheless, something caused Windows 11 itself to lose volume,
>> regain it temporarily, lose it again and so on... as if the hardware
>> was defective. It might have been an NVIDIA driver screwing up as a
>> result of being connected by HDMI, but reconnecting and disconnecting
>> should have fixed it. It didn't. Anyways, everything is working fine
>> now, no thanks to Windows 11. That piece of shit will never again be
>> installed on this machine.
>
> I could've made a pretty penny from you by betting against these Feebish
> claims of 'never again'.
>
> FYI: you've switched back and forth between Windows and Linux around
> 250x since you started posting here 10 years ago, or once every 2 weeks
> on avg.

Yep, and it's easy to explain: I love Linux but when it comes to
technology, I have a strong fear of missing out.

[Relf]

AndyMatt:

> For two years of owning this laptop, the sound is always perfect.
> Last night, after disconnecting the laptop from a dock which has HDMI
> connected to it, I turn it back on upstairs and the sound was low
> and sounded like it was coming out of a can.

Buy a 2-Pack of 10 foot 8k HDMI 2.1 Cables, "SnowKids",
14 $; price includes overnight shipping, 9am arrival.

[candycanearter07]

OneDrive doesn't give you a proper path?

[candycanearter07]

On 11/11/23 18:53, RabidPedagog wrote:
> On 2023-11-11 5:56 p.m., chrisv wrote:
>> RabidPedagog wrote:
>>
>>> The solution? Downgrade to Windows 10. Surprisingly, that was it.
>>> Suddenly, all of the issues disappeared. I bet that going into Linux
>>> Mint won't have the volume troubles either. That's how shit Windows 11
>>> is: it causes you to have hardware problems which transfer over to
>>> another operating system.
>>
>> I recently got "upgraded" to WinDOS 11 at work.  I had no choice in
>> the matter.  It seems to be working OK on my HP laptop (which stays
>> closed and connected to a docking station, to which my ergo keyboard
>> and big monitor connect, I don't like laptops).
>>
>> I've also been using Onedrive at work, which kind of pisses me off
>> with its operation, but it works well enough, I guess.  Until it fscks
>> me, I suppose.
>
> Apparently, it wasn't enough for Microsoft to force-feed me OneDrive. I
> swear to God, when you install Windows 11 and you're forced to sign in,
> you're also forced to see your local Documents and Pictures folder go to
> C:\Users\user\OneDrive\Documents, there is no choice in the matter. Try
> to change it and it'll give you an error, you have to jump through hoops
> to restore it to the default.

I'd imagine it's like a marketing thing, like "share your Documents
between computers!". And, since most users/programs are used to using
Library folders, it also makes the user feel dependent on using OD
through those files.

[Borax Man]

On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 21:46:26 -0600

candycanearter07 <n...@thanks.net> wrote:

> On 11/11/23 18:17, Borax Man wrote:
> > On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 17:52:20 -0600

> > I use OneDrive at work and it confuses the hell out of me. OneDrive
> > is somehow linked with SharePoint, and there is Teams as well. Worst
> > thing is you can't link say an Excel file to a word document, because
> > OneDrive doesn't give you a proper path, unless you sync it, which
> > adds another layer of complexity.
> >
> >
>
> OneDrive doesn't give you a proper path?
> --

We use it through a web interface, so opening a file means opening a
URL. You can get a path if you sync it, but at my work they don't set
things up like that by default.

I've set up a mailmerge system to generate documents from Excel data,
so for each person whos using it, I have to go to their computer, work
out where in the web interface to go, and enable "sync". Even then,
it syncs to their home folder, so the path is different still for each
person.

Maybe its not as complicated as it appears, but its frustrating the
way they've set it up. But then again, I have an other organisation I
work for, and I access their one drive using rclone at home, and thats
pretty straightfoward.




--

[Physfitfreak]

I think the push perhaps is coming from the government. Microsoft has
made lots of contracts with Government.

[rbowman]

On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 21:48:17 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:

> I'd imagine it's like a marketing thing, like "share your Documents
> between computers!". And, since most users/programs are used to using
> Library folders, it also makes the user feel dependent on using OD
> through those files.

I do find that handy with the company One Drive. I've never set up the
personal one.

[vallor]

On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 17:27:10 -0500, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote in
<3dT3N.18252$Ee89...@fx17.iad>:

My sound on this System76 Thelio depends on a driver from System76. I had
it just quit on me recently, and to make a long story short: soft boots
didn't fix it, I had to do a solid "big red button" boot.

I also thought there had been an automatic update that left the System76
package depending on running the Linux 6 kernel, but turns out the
package also works for Linux 5. I need to run Linux 5 to get the right
video driver for Starfield.

Regarding _that_, I just saw on Russell's kernel boot output that
he was running nvidia*545 drivers -- didn't know NVidia had released
those for Linux yet. That could enable me to run Linux 6 kernels, if
it solves the problem with Starfield.

(please note Subject: change)

--
-v

[Tyrone]

There, fixed that for you.

[Joel]

Tyrone <no...@none.none> wrote:

>Subject: Re: Seriously, fuck Windows

>
>There, fixed that for you.

Amen, Win11 is too bloated, Win10 is dated, Linux is where the
superior system is for a desktop.

--
Joel Crump

[RonB]

Sorry to hear that.

[RonB]

On 2023-11-12, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
> On 2023-11-11 5:56 p.m., chrisv wrote:
>> RabidPedagog wrote:
>>
>>> The solution? Downgrade to Windows 10. Surprisingly, that was it.
>>> Suddenly, all of the issues disappeared. I bet that going into Linux
>>> Mint won't have the volume troubles either. That's how shit Windows 11
>>> is: it causes you to have hardware problems which transfer over to
>>> another operating system.
>>
>> I recently got "upgraded" to WinDOS 11 at work. I had no choice in
>> the matter. It seems to be working OK on my HP laptop (which stays
>> closed and connected to a docking station, to which my ergo keyboard
>> and big monitor connect, I don't like laptops).
>>
>> I've also been using Onedrive at work, which kind of pisses me off
>> with its operation, but it works well enough, I guess. Until it fscks
>> me, I suppose.
>
> Apparently, it wasn't enough for Microsoft to force-feed me OneDrive. I
> swear to God, when you install Windows 11 and you're forced to sign in,
> you're also forced to see your local Documents and Pictures folder go to
> C:\Users\user\OneDrive\Documents, there is no choice in the matter. Try
> to change it and it'll give you an error, you have to jump through hoops
> to restore it to the default.

If you use Rufus to set up your Windows 11 install USB, you can turn off the
TPM check AND the login requirement. When I installed Windows 11 (to see if
I could do it) I didn't have to log into Microsoft. I still don't hae to,
though I do get OneDrive nags (at least I did last time I looked at it).

> With the audio, I can't explain what happened but I can say that every
> so often I would get it to have the normal volume again, but it would
> quickly crackle and go back to a lousy, canned volume. It really sounded
> like a defective speaker, which would have been confirmed since it
> didn't work right in Linux either... but a downgrade fixed it. It's like
> the hardware was reset or something. Now, not only does the sound work
> right, but even the fingerprint sensor which kept disappearing and
> reappearing is perfect. Seriously, how much garbage did they put in
> Windows 11 for it to do something this annoying?
>
> DFS is free to look up the problem for himself, and the fact that so
> far, none of the users who have suffered through it have found a
> solution. I feel like making a new Reddit account and telling them, but
> I hate the site and its far-left bias. Just search "zephyrus low volume"
> and you'll have a description of the problem: low volume that sounds
> like it's coming through a can. Not one has thought of downgrading to
> Windows 10... because the solution makes absolutely no sense and
> confirms that Windows 11 is pure shite.

I found this "solution" to the problem on Reddit among many other
suggestions and "solutions"...

"What fixes it for me is simply going to BIOS, do nothing there, and then
start. And somehow the speakers sound loud again."

This is the kind of crap I used to hate when I used Windows. "Wiggle the "s"
key a few times and it will work...maybe, until it doesn't again." I thought
this kind of thing was mostly gone by now.

[RabidPedagog]

Jeff, as charming as I find your random replies, I would ask you to try
to stay on topic from time to time.

[RabidPedagog]

I honestly don't disagree with you here. They are already pushing people
who won't buy Office to use the online version which saves everything to
the cloud. If you buy it, they insist that you get the 365 version
which, again, saves files to the cloud. Even if you select the 2021
version, be default it wants to save everything to the cloud. They don't
seem to respect our desire to keep our documents to ourselves, away from
the prying eyes of the government.

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-11-12 12:23 a.m., vallor wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 17:27:10 -0500, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote in
> <3dT3N.18252$Ee89...@fx17.iad>:
>
>> On 2023-11-11 2:20 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>> On 11/11/2023 12:59 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> That's how shit Windows 11 is: it causes you to have hardware problems
>>>> which transfer over to another operating system.
>>>
>>>
>>> stfu Feeb
>>
>> If I hadn't experienced myself, I would have considered everything I
>> described impossible. Nevertheless, something caused Windows 11 itself
>> to lose volume, regain it temporarily, lose it again and so on... as if
>> the hardware was defective. It might have been an NVIDIA driver screwing
>> up as a result of being connected by HDMI, but reconnecting and
>> disconnecting should have fixed it. It didn't. Anyways, everything is
>> working fine now, no thanks to Windows 11. That piece of shit will never
>> again be installed on this machine.
>
> My sound on this System76 Thelio depends on a driver from System76. I had
> it just quit on me recently, and to make a long story short: soft boots
> didn't fix it, I had to do a solid "big red button" boot.

I did that several times in an effort to fix it (I got used to it when
the computer still had the God-awful MediaTek MT7921 wireless chip which
insisted on getting stuck). It only worked once.

> I also thought there had been an automatic update that left the System76
> package depending on running the Linux 6 kernel, but turns out the
> package also works for Linux 5. I need to run Linux 5 to get the right
> video driver for Starfield.
>
> Regarding _that_, I just saw on Russell's kernel boot output that
> he was running nvidia*545 drivers -- didn't know NVidia had released
> those for Linux yet. That could enable me to run Linux 6 kernels, if
> it solves the problem with Starfield.
>
> (please note Subject: change)

I'm noticing people on Reddit with my machine complaining that recent
NVIDIA drivers have been awful for them, so I think it might actually be
related. People tend to forget that in Windows, at least, the driver
installs an HD audio driver which has some impact on the sound chip.
Considering how it worked right while I ran Nouveau but started screwing
up once the NVIDIA driver was installed, it makes sense. If anyone is
wondering, I have a NVIDIA proprietary driver installed at the moment,
but it's a rather outdated one provided by ASUS (516.40). I figured, at
the very least, that it was tested to work right.

[candycanearter07]

Oh yea, that is pretty annoying. Count yourself lucky that your
organization didn't block syncing their Google Drive, though. Like mine.

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-11-12 1:09 a.m., Tyrone wrote:
>
> There, fixed that for you.

I've wrestled with every single version of Windows I've ever run since
3.1 to make sure that the basics consistently worked. On the one hand, I
like having access to a variety of media through Windows which isn't
always available to me in Linux, but it always manages to screw up in an
illogical way. With what happened to me in 11, my mom's own problems
with the OS don't seem to be imagined anymore. I truly believe that the
OS was designed to screw up after a while to push people into buying new
hardware. After all, Microsoft has a certain responsibility toward
manufacturers which bundle its products. Considering how little money
they make per computer and how long people hold onto their machines now,
it is quite possible that they've designed the new OS to simulate
hardware failure. I wouldn't put it past Microsoft to do such a thing
considering their history all the way back to screwing with VisiCorp.

[candycanearter07]

Company drives are convenient sometimes, but I still want to keep it
separate from my main computer usually.

[RabidPedagog]

I don't care about the TPM requirement because this laptop has a TPM
chip. It would have been useful for my previous machine, but I already
gave that away.

>> With the audio, I can't explain what happened but I can say that every
>> so often I would get it to have the normal volume again, but it would
>> quickly crackle and go back to a lousy, canned volume. It really sounded
>> like a defective speaker, which would have been confirmed since it
>> didn't work right in Linux either... but a downgrade fixed it. It's like
>> the hardware was reset or something. Now, not only does the sound work
>> right, but even the fingerprint sensor which kept disappearing and
>> reappearing is perfect. Seriously, how much garbage did they put in
>> Windows 11 for it to do something this annoying?
>>
>> DFS is free to look up the problem for himself, and the fact that so
>> far, none of the users who have suffered through it have found a
>> solution. I feel like making a new Reddit account and telling them, but
>> I hate the site and its far-left bias. Just search "zephyrus low volume"
>> and you'll have a description of the problem: low volume that sounds
>> like it's coming through a can. Not one has thought of downgrading to
>> Windows 10... because the solution makes absolutely no sense and
>> confirms that Windows 11 is pure shite.
>
> I found this "solution" to the problem on Reddit among many other
> suggestions and "solutions"...
>
> "What fixes it for me is simply going to BIOS, do nothing there, and then
> start. And somehow the speakers sound loud again."
>
> This is the kind of crap I used to hate when I used Windows. "Wiggle the "s"
> key a few times and it will work...maybe, until it doesn't again." I thought
> this kind of thing was mostly gone by now.

I would have gone into the BIOS anyway, but that's not a solution either
way. The sound chip here just seemed to have gotten locked, and even
after getting it unlocked through a "big red button reset" as vallor
called it, using it in Windows 11 would again cause it to lock.
Unfortunately, until Windows 10 was installed, it would also eventually
lock in Mint too.

I'm downloading Ubuntu 23.10 since one of the applications I need for
proper support of my laptop in Linux needs kernel 5.17 minimum and Mint
comes with 5.15. Even changing the repositories to the Romeo ones didn't
update the kernel, so I'll need something more recent and Edge didn't
work at all the last time. According to reviews, it's a stellar release.

[candycanearter07]

On 11/12/23 07:48, RabidPedagog wrote:
> On 2023-11-12 4:14 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> If you use Rufus to set up your Windows 11 install USB, you can turn
>> off the
>> TPM check AND the login requirement. When I installed Windows 11 (to
>> see if
>> I could do it) I didn't have to log into Microsoft. I still don't hae to,
>> though I do get OneDrive nags (at least I did last time I looked at it).
>
> I don't care about the TPM requirement because this laptop has a TPM
> chip. It would have been useful for my previous machine, but I already
> gave that away.

What bothers me about TPM is how it basically kills dual booting, since
Windows can't boot without it and Linux can't boot with it (as if they
would give away the signing key). So users would have to toggle it each
time, which is so annoying they would probably be forced into choosing.
And which would people rather choose, the OS they are used to and works
or the one that is new, weird, and forces all this annoying BIOS switching?

[DFS]

On 11/11/2023 7:53 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:


> Apparently, it wasn't enough for Microsoft to force-feed me OneDrive. I
> swear to God, when you install Windows 11 and you're forced to sign in,

Quit bullshitting. You're not forced to sign into an MS account when
you install Win11, or at any time thereafter.

[RabidPedagog]

What annoys ME is that the dd-prepared USB thumb drive I just prepared
with Ubuntu 23.10 doesn't work if I boot normally, and requires me to
use safe graphics. Then, when I try to install the OS and choose "Erase
disk and install Ubuntu," it tells me that Bitlocker is enabled and that
I need to go back and select "Erase disk and install Ubuntu." Why is
quality control such a foreign concept to some of these people?

[RabidPedagog]

Do us all a favour and burn the 11 ISO, any version you choose, and
install from scratch. Let's see how far you get without the installer
requiring you to sign in. When you finally get in, check which folders
your Documents and Pictures are located in.

[DFS]

On 11/12/2023 2:41 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:
> On 2023-11-12 9:35 a.m., DFS wrote:
>> On 11/11/2023 7:53 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Apparently, it wasn't enough for Microsoft to force-feed me OneDrive.
>>> I swear to God, when you install Windows 11 and you're forced to sign
>>> in,
>>
>>
>> Quit bullshitting.  You're not forced to sign into an MS account when
>> you install Win11, or at any time thereafter.
>
> Do us all a favour and burn the 11 ISO, any version you choose,

I'm running:
Edition Windows 11 Enterprise Evaluation
Version 22H2
Installed on 9/‎23/‎2023
OS build 22621.2506
Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22677.1000.0

> and
> install from scratch. Let's see how far you get without the installer
> requiring you to sign in.

During Win11 install, you bypass the MS account creation/sign-in by
choosing the 'Offline account' option. In all my years of using
Windows, I've not once signed into an MS account during install or bootup.

Being forced to login to an MS (or Apple, or any) account just to use
your PC or software is a sign of a sick company that wants to know
something about you - usage patterns, installed software, Internet
searches - that is none of their gd business. Technically not you as a
person, but you as a generic user.

The Win11 EULA tells you what info they collect - which should be
absolutely nothing, but seems to be mostly hardware and OS version related.

> When you finally get in, check which folders
> your Documents and Pictures are located in.

C:\Users\DFS\Documents
C:\Users\DFS\Pictures

[Physfit Freak]

It's not just for the purposes of policing people, when necessary. It
can also be for seeking financial gains, as any billionaire would need
to know what the competition is doing.

When the information is sitting there like a hidden duck, a billionaire
can buy what he wants from Microsoft.

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-11-12 10:42 a.m., DFS wrote:
> On 11/12/2023 2:41 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:
>> On 2023-11-12 9:35 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>> On 11/11/2023 7:53 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Apparently, it wasn't enough for Microsoft to force-feed me
>>>> OneDrive. I swear to God, when you install Windows 11 and you're
>>>> forced to sign in,
>>>
>>>
>>> Quit bullshitting.  You're not forced to sign into an MS account when
>>> you install Win11, or at any time thereafter.
>>
>> Do us all a favour and burn the 11 ISO, any version you choose,
>
> I'm running:
> Edition         Windows 11 Enterprise Evaluation

ENTERPRISE. They might allow you to skip, the Home and Pro versions don't.

> Version         22H2
> Installed on    9/‎23/‎2023
> OS build        22621.2506
> Experience      Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22677.1000.0
>
>
>> and install from scratch. Let's see how far you get without the
>> installer requiring you to sign in.
>
> During Win11 install, you bypass the MS account creation/sign-in by
> choosing the 'Offline account' option.  In all my years of using
> Windows, I've not once signed into an MS account during install or bootup.
>
> Being forced to login to an MS (or Apple, or any) account just to use
> your PC or software is a sign of a sick company that wants to know
> something about you - usage patterns, installed software, Internet
> searches - that is none of their gd business.  Technically not you as a
> person, but you as a generic user.
>
> The Win11 EULA tells you what info they collect - which should be
> absolutely nothing, but seems to be mostly hardware and OS version related.
>
>
>
>
>> When you finally get in, check which folders your Documents and
>> Pictures are located in.
>
> C:\Users\DFS\Documents
> C:\Users\DFS\Pictures

The normal ISO you would download from the Microsoft web site doesn't
behave the same way. I suggest you try it and tell me if the experience
is different.

[RonB]

Changing the repository doesn't automatically update the kernel. You just
have to go to Update Manager -> View -> Linux Kernels. Even without Romeo
flipped on, I've got the choice of installing kernel 6.2.0-35 in Linux Mint
21. Also, in Device Manager you can change the version of the proprietary
nVidia driver you're using. Maybe installing the next older one would help.
My Nvidia driver choices are 390, 470, 525 and 535 (which is the one I'm
using).

Good luck with Ubuntu. I think it's a pretty solid distribution, I just
don't like Gnome 3.

[Joel]

I didn't have the system fail, but how old is my machine, two and a
half years. That's not old, it was brand new when Win11 was publicly
announced in 2021, still pretty brand new when it was upgraded on the
first day. And now, it's already looking like it would want a RAM
increase.

Fuck Winblows.

--
Joel Crump

[RonB]

I just turn off Secure Boot and dual booting between Windows 11 and Linux
Mint 21 works fine. I guess it depends on whether you want Secure Boot
turned on or not.

[RonB]

On 2023-11-12, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:

To DFS...

You definitely are NOW forced to create a Microsoft account and sign into
Windows 11 to install it. I think originally you were able to bypass doing
that. Only by using Rufus, checking the appropriate box and saying "I don't
have Internet" when the install process asks you to create an account, are
you able to now install Windows 11 without logging in. I know, I've tested
this three times in the last couple months.

[Joel]

If I couldn't install Win11/12 by adding a second SSD, I would just
not dual-boot. My Linux installation will not be fucked with.

--
Joel Crump

[candycanearter07]

The point is, since MS requires it to boot, it adds yet another
roadblock to people switching.

[candycanearter07]

I think there's been 3 different workarounds found, all of them patched
over by MS.

[RabidPedagog]

Well, I ended up installing Pop OS which I already had on a thumb drive.
It comes with kernel 6.5 and supports the NVIDIA GPUs by default, so it
made sense. The only trouble I had was with the asusctl program (which
refused to make from the downloaded git file), but it turned out to be a
problem with the latest version and installing the previous release
worked fine. My printer is also installed with the proper driver, so I
shouldn't have issues there. All that's left to do is install Civ 6 and
Lutris, and I should be good. I also need to recreate my message filters
here, but that doesn't take long.

[DFS]

That's very bogus. Newer computer users very likely won't know about
any workarounds, and will create an MS account and use it. I'm sure MS
does nothing nefarious with your account, but they apparently don't
understand how pissed it makes some users to feel they need MS'
permission to use their Windows computer, as if you must be connected to
the Microsoft hive. It's ridiculous. I think Apple is the same.


Workarounds:

"Windows 11 Home requires you to sign in with a Microsoft account during
initial setup. Beginning with version 22H2, so does Windows 11 Pro when
you choose the option to set it up for personal use. You can work around
this restriction by entering the address n...@thankyou.com as your
Microsoft account. When you're asked for a password, enter anything.
Windows will inform you that the account has been locked because of too
many incorrect password attempts (you're not the first person to do
this, after all), and you'll be given the option to create a local
account instead."


After-the-fact fix:

"If you've already created a new account that's associated with a
Microsoft account, you can easily convert it to a local account. After
signing in for the first time, go to Settings > Accounts > Your Info.
Under the Account Settings heading, choose Sign In With A Local Account
Instead and follow the prompts."


With this fix, you can boot ONE TIME, then change settings to quit using
the MS forced sign-in. This is good to know.


The above quotes came from
https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-setup-which-user-account-type-should-you-choose/

[RonB]

I don't have to have Secure Boot turned on to boot to Windows 11. Maybe I'm
missing something here. (Or maybe it's only newer machines?)

[%]

RonB wrote:
> On 2023-11-12, candycanearter07 <n...@thanks.net> wrote:
>> On 11/12/23 15:04, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-12, candycanearter07 <n...@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>> What bothers me about TPM is how it basically kills dual booting, since
>>>> Windows can't boot without it and Linux can't boot with it (as if they
>>>> would give away the signing key). So users would have to toggle it each
>>>> time, which is so annoying they would probably be forced into choosing.
>>>> And which would people rather choose, the OS they are used to and works
>>>> or the one that is new, weird, and forces all this annoying BIOS switching?
>>>
>>> I just turn off Secure Boot and dual booting between Windows 11 and Linux
>>> Mint 21 works fine. I guess it depends on whether you want Secure Boot
>>> turned on or not.
>>
>> The point is, since MS requires it to boot, it adds yet another
>> roadblock to people switching.
>
> I don't have to have Secure Boot turned on to boot to Windows 11. Maybe I'm
> missing something here. (Or maybe it's only newer machines?)
>

i can do it on my 386 i got windows 3.1

[RonB]

On 2023-11-12, candycanearter07 <n...@thanks.net> wrote:

Just within the last couple weeks? Because it was about three weeks ago that
I last tested installing Windows 11 (using Rufus) and I was able to bypass
both the TDM restriction and the forced Microsoft login. (On older
equipment, maybe it's different with newer machines.)

[RonB]

And speakers are at full volume?

[candycanearter07]

On 11/12/23 18:38, RonB wrote:
> On 2023-11-12, candycanearter07 <n...@thanks.net> wrote:
>> On 11/12/23 15:04, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-12, candycanearter07 <n...@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>> What bothers me about TPM is how it basically kills dual booting, since
>>>> Windows can't boot without it and Linux can't boot with it (as if they
>>>> would give away the signing key). So users would have to toggle it each
>>>> time, which is so annoying they would probably be forced into choosing.
>>>> And which would people rather choose, the OS they are used to and works
>>>> or the one that is new, weird, and forces all this annoying BIOS switching?
>>>
>>> I just turn off Secure Boot and dual booting between Windows 11 and Linux
>>> Mint 21 works fine. I guess it depends on whether you want Secure Boot
>>> turned on or not.
>>
>> The point is, since MS requires it to boot, it adds yet another
>> roadblock to people switching.
>
> I don't have to have Secure Boot turned on to boot to Windows 11. Maybe I'm
> missing something here. (Or maybe it's only newer machines?)
>

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-system-requirements-86c11283-ea52-4782-9efd-7674389a7ba3
Well, it says that you need a TPM to run W11. Maybe they're waiting for
W11 to catch on before actually enforcing it? Like a bait and switch.

[candycanearter07]

Well, no, but I remember people talking about how MS removed the menu
option, then fixed selecting "set up WiFi later", then fixed unplugging
your WiFi card. Might be different with newer machines though.

[candycanearter07]

Plus, not everyone has the best internet. And the forced OneDrive
integration just compounds it further.

[RabidPedagog]

It is, but it's not as insistent about you using their cloud storage.
You can use an alternative store or none at all just fine.

> Workarounds:
>
> "Windows 11 Home requires you to sign in with a Microsoft account during
> initial setup. Beginning with version 22H2, so does Windows 11 Pro when
> you choose the option to set it up for personal use. You can work around
> this restriction by entering the address n...@thankyou.com as your
> Microsoft account. When you're asked for a password, enter anything.
> Windows will inform you that the account has been locked because of too
> many incorrect password attempts (you're not the first person to do
> this, after all), and you'll be given the option to create a local
> account instead."
>
>
> After-the-fact fix:
>
> "If you've already created a new account that's associated with a
> Microsoft account, you can easily convert it to a local account. After
> signing in for the first time, go to Settings > Accounts > Your Info.
> Under the Account Settings heading, choose Sign In With A Local Account
> Instead and follow the prompts."
>
>
> With this fix, you can boot ONE TIME, then change settings to quit using
> the MS forced sign-in.  This is good to know.
>
>
> The above quotes came from
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-setup-which-user-account-type-should-you-choose/

It'll be a local account, but I'm sure that the folders will still be
located in /OneDrive, which is a nuisance in itself.

--
RabidPedagog
TG: @RabidPedagog
Fuck Windows.

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-11-12 19:38, RonB wrote:
> On 2023-11-12, candycanearter07 <n...@thanks.net> wrote:
>> On 11/12/23 15:04, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-12, candycanearter07 <n...@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>> What bothers me about TPM is how it basically kills dual booting, since
>>>> Windows can't boot without it and Linux can't boot with it (as if they
>>>> would give away the signing key). So users would have to toggle it each
>>>> time, which is so annoying they would probably be forced into choosing.
>>>> And which would people rather choose, the OS they are used to and works
>>>> or the one that is new, weird, and forces all this annoying BIOS switching?
>>>
>>> I just turn off Secure Boot and dual booting between Windows 11 and Linux
>>> Mint 21 works fine. I guess it depends on whether you want Secure Boot
>>> turned on or not.
>>
>> The point is, since MS requires it to boot, it adds yet another
>> roadblock to people switching.
>
> I don't have to have Secure Boot turned on to boot to Windows 11. Maybe I'm
> missing something here. (Or maybe it's only newer machines?)

Secure boot is generally required but you seem to have set up the ISO in
a special way using Rufus. That might have allowed it to work without it.

--
RabidPedagog
TG: @RabidPedagog
Fuck Windows.

[RabidPedagog]

Yep, and I don't think that they will break here either. I'm starting to
think that the problems I faced were due to some sort of malware. I've
mentioned Black Lotus a few times today, but that thing is a proof of
concept that absolutely none of the defenses Windows provides its users
will do much to stop anything. It might have been something related to
the NVIDIA driver, like I said, but it was way too insistent on screwing
things up to be that simple.

[Joel]

candycanearter07 <n...@thanks.net> wrote:

>https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-system-requirements-86c11283-ea52-4782-9efd-7674389a7ba3
>Well, it says that you need a TPM to run W11. Maybe they're waiting for
>W11 to catch on before actually enforcing it? Like a bait and switch.

You can install Win11 on just about any PC, but not with the official
method, no guarantee it will retain support. When I upgraded 10 to
11, I had turned on TPM in my UEFI settings, and had an officially
supported computer altogether.

An interesting thing to consider, is that one could argue the mistake
I made was in ever upgrading to 11. That staying with 10, even on
newer hardware, saves the headache of bloat. But if so, why am I even
running this retarded OS?

--
Joel Crump

[RonB]

I know that's what it says. Windows 11 won't install without the "hack" or
whatever it is Rufus does to the Windows 11 install image. (I think it just
tells Windows installer not to check for it.) Whatever it is, it works (for
now, at least, on computers without the right TPM chip).

[RonB]

Windows 11 wouldn't allow me to bypass sign in or add account until I
checked the "allow offline install" option in the Rufus Windows 11 setup.

[RonB]

I didn't know that. Rufus is a very useful application. More useful than I
realized.

[RonB]

I know you like Pop OS anyhow so, for now, it looks like it worked out.

[RabidPedagog]

Imagine requiring a hack to install something you already paid for
without telemetry.

[RabidPedagog]

Yet another open-source application making the proprietary world less
intrusive. This kind of junk has always bothered me, but I swallowed it
because of all of the conveniences they came with. I can't count the
number of times I installed Linux and enjoyed what I was using (minus
the sleep/wake crap) only to go back to Windows like a beaten housewife
who felt that getting her ass kicked daily is a small price to pay for
financial comfort.

[RabidPedagog]

Yep, there is only one issue: the Pop!_OS store. It's slow to load and
it doesn't tell you how far into an installation you've gotten (no
percentages, no progress bar). It's a small price to pay though.
Everything works so far except for access to the movies I paid for in
Microsoft Movies & TV. However, that's entirely Microsoft's fault. Every
other movie-selling service allows you to view the content over the web,
but Microsoft wants to force you to use something by the company. It's
annoying and I shouldn't have enabled them, but it's too late now. I can
still view them on my Xbox Series S on a bigger, nicer TV.

[candycanearter07]

You could say that about Win10 too.

[RabidPedagog]

Yep, and that's part of why I didn't bother keeping it on my machine
despite it working right. I have enough experience with Windows 10 to
know that the system files will corrupt, an update will go wrong or
something similar. I installed it, made an image in case I need it in
the future, downloaded the save files I needed, made sure all of the
hardware worked, and then I moved onto Linux. At least on Linux I can be
sure that my data won't corrupt and that my hardware won't act like it's
failing.

[candycanearter07]

Well, that's outright patching the ISO. I'm surprised there's no tamper
check, considering how far MS has gone before.

[RabidPedagog]

They have pulled this kind of shite for the longest time and people have
yet to really get hot and bothered. Perhaps that is why Microsoft isn't
feeling even slightly discouraged from including ever-more-invasive
"features" with each version of Windows.

Let's look at some of the stuff we've already swallowed from Microsoft,
Apple and manufacturers:

1) Removal of the feature to easily replace the laptop battery (look at
how backwards we have gone since the 90s)
2) Software activation
3) Requiring a Microsoft-attached e-mail address to install an operating
system we purchased at full price
4) Personalized ads
5) Advertising-ID
6) Telemetry, at least they make some of this optional
7) Windows 11 forcing driver updates on hardware which is already
working fine and subsequently becomes erratic
8) Security software which is as effective against malware as putting a
blanket over your computer

When do we finally say "enough!"?

[DFS]

On 11/13/2023 8:10 AM, RabidPedagog wrote:

> I can't count the
> number of times I installed Linux and enjoyed what I was using (minus
> the sleep/wake crap) only to go back to Windows like a beaten housewife
> who felt that getting her ass kicked daily is a small price to pay for
> financial comfort.

ha!

You Muslim wife beater you...

[RonB]

On 2023-11-13, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:

Paid for, but you don't own it — which seems to be one of their favorite
talking points now. I guess they're going with the WEF's dictum, "you'll own
nothing and like it."

[RonB]

The only thing that would make Rufus better would be the release of a Linux
version.

[RonB]

Vudu won't let you watch movies using Linux either. (At least they didn't
the last time I tried.) I found that most of my Vudu Movies would move over
to Movies Anywhere, which will allow you to use Linux to watch them. Maybe
Movies Anywhere can also be enabled for Microsoft Movies?

[RabidPedagog]

It really does feel like that. Also, I was surprised to find that on my
latest install of Windows 10, no image viewer was present anymore. I
only noticed when I double-clicked on a photo and it asked me to
download an application to handle .jpg files. Obviously, there are free
applications for the task available, but they're slower than what used
to be there. They make my newish processor feel like it's obsolete,
something that I find absolutely unacceptable. Meanwhile, Linux handles
images just fine and loads them as quickly as you click on them. It's
amazing how regressive the operating system is in its progress.

[RabidPedagog]

Movies Anywhere is not available in Canada, unfortunately. I already
looked this up a few years ago and things haven't changed.

[rbowman]

On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 11:14:23 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:

> Let's look at some of the stuff we've already swallowed from Microsoft,
> Apple and manufacturers:
>

> 2) Software activation

Remember dongles? Now there was a real pain in the butt.

[RabidPedagog]

Heh, I use one with my MacBook Air to connect HDMI and Ethernet at work.
Even when I have both such ports on my machine, I prefer to use a dongle
because I can replace the dongle if the ports get worn; it's a little
harder on the laptop itself.

[rbowman]

On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 16:35:38 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Paid for, but you don't own it — which seems to be one of their favorite
> talking points now. I guess they're going with the WEF's dictum, "you'll
> own nothing and like it."

https://www.stephankinsella.com/own-ideas/

Kinsella tends to be tl;dr but he has some interesting ideas on ownership.
It has gotten complicated with digital media. I can sell a hardcopy book
or a CD. Can I do the same with a MOBI book or a collection of mp3s that
are, in theory, easily copied?

[Joel]

Let's say you buy MP3s from Amazon (which is all I do, now, other than
listen to stuff I already had, or streaming SiriusXM radio, or
YouTube), if you delete them from your own devices, and destroy, or
give any hard copies to the person buying them, that should be legit.

--
Joel Crump

[Joel]

You can install Winblows 11 on almost any PC, the hacks aren't that
hard, it's just silly because Win10 works better on 11-unsupported
devices. There's nothing wrong with using 10 on an older system, or
if you just prefer it. Linux is better than either one.

--
Joel Crump

[Physfitfreak]

Another clue to your femininity.

You really think cro-magnons abuse their wives less? Stupid little
ignorant bitch.

You know, I called in sick today cause I've got a bad backache. This
usenet thing makes it only worse. I'm not going to give my seconds to
any of you today :)

[candycanearter07]

Exactly, I went through the same thing with Win8(.1) -> Win10. I still
have Win8.1 on my spare laptop, its not that bad for emergencies honestly.

[DFS]

On 11/13/2023 2:14 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 11/13/2023 10:33 AM, DFS wrote:
>> On 11/13/2023 8:10 AM, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>
>>> I can't count the number of times I installed Linux and enjoyed what
>>> I was using (minus the sleep/wake crap) only to go back to Windows
>>> like a beaten housewife who felt that getting her ass kicked daily is
>>> a small price to pay for financial comfort.
>>
>>
>> ha!
>>
>> You Muslim wife beater you...
>
>
> Another clue to your femininity.
>
> You really think cro-magnons abuse their wives less? Stupid little
> ignorant bitch.

I KNOW we White males abuse our women far, far less than you foul,
insecure, male Muslim sand chimp Iranians do. Y'all can't make it thru
an hour without oppressing or abusing a woman in some way.


"Under the constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran, a woman's life
is regarded as half as valuable as a man's life. Iranian women are
constantly denied physical and emotional safety and independence.
Harmful masculine behaviors, low gender equality, and community norms
that ascribe higher status to men than women are associated with
violence against women. Harmful masculine behaviors are painfully
evident in every domain of Iranian women's lives, including marital
status, employment, and health. For example, a husband must consent for
his wife to use any form of contraception, and any adult woman requires
legal permission from a familial patriarchal figure to travel abroad. As
such, Iranian women experience severe restrictions on their livelihoods
and autonomy—time and time again, they are treated as less than citizens."

https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/toll-violence-women-and-youth-iran

JHC. What a pack of incel wimps.

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_Iran#Incidence_of_domestic_abuse_in_Iran

Disgusting.


Local Linux "advocate" Feeb Russell/Farley Flud/Diego Garcia/Lester
Thorpe will be along soon to congratulate you on abusing women, but it
turns out he's an incel wimp too.

> You know, I called in sick today cause I've got a bad backache.

Too much bending over to eat off the bottom of your cage. But don't
worry Amir: the White man's painkiller drugs will make it all better.

> This
> usenet thing makes it only worse. I'm not going to give my seconds to
> any of you today :)

You can run but you can't hide from the Usenet addiction. cola will be
here when you wake up.

[RonB]

I guess this is Microsoft's way of "nudging" Windows 10 users to Windows 11.
I think they would have a lot better luck getting people to move to Windows
11 without the TPM requirement. Without tht requirement most machines that
run Windows 10 would run Windows 11 "out of box."

[RonB]

Sorry to hear that.

[RonB]

On 2023-11-13, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:

I think the dongles rbowman is talking about are the ones that were required
to unlock specific applications. Without the dongle they wouldn't run.

[Joel]

I'm not sure I can believe they took out Win10's default image viewer.
But the pipeline between Winblows upgrades is undeniable, Win10 itself
is the 22H2 release, and it's also out of support in two years. Older
computers *need* Linux.

--
Joel Crump

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-11-13 16:23, DFS wrote:
> On 11/13/2023 2:14 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>> On 11/13/2023 10:33 AM, DFS wrote:
>>> On 11/13/2023 8:10 AM, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't count the number of times I installed Linux and enjoyed what
>>>> I was using (minus the sleep/wake crap) only to go back to Windows
>>>> like a beaten housewife who felt that getting her ass kicked daily
>>>> is a small price to pay for financial comfort.
>>>
>>>
>>> ha!
>>>
>>> You Muslim wife beater you...
>>
>>
>> Another clue to your femininity.
>>
>> You really think cro-magnons abuse their wives less? Stupid little
>> ignorant bitch.
>
>
> I KNOW we White males abuse our women far, far less than you foul,
> insecure, male Muslim sand chimp Iranians do.  Y'all can't make it thru
> an hour without oppressing or abusing a woman in some way.

Easily-accessible government statistics in Western countries seem to
show that the darker your skin is, the more prone you are to violence.

> "Under the constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran, a woman's life
> is regarded as half as valuable as a man's life. Iranian women are
> constantly denied physical and emotional safety and independence.
> Harmful masculine behaviors, low gender equality, and community norms
> that ascribe higher status to men than women are associated with
> violence against women. Harmful masculine behaviors are painfully
> evident in every domain of Iranian women's lives, including marital
> status, employment, and health. For example, a husband must consent for
> his wife to use any form of contraception, and any adult woman requires
> legal permission from a familial patriarchal figure to travel abroad. As
> such, Iranian women experience severe restrictions on their livelihoods
> and autonomy—time and time again, they are treated as less than citizens."
>
> https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/article/toll-violence-women-and-youth-iran

Sadly, Not Without My Daughter is still an accurate portrayal of how
Muslim men treat the women who are dumb enough to get into a
relationship with them.

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[Joel]

RonB <ronb02...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 2023-11-13, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 2023-11-13 1:08 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 11:14:23 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>>
>>>> Let's look at some of the stuff we've already swallowed from Microsoft,
>>>> Apple and manufacturers:
>>>>
>>>> 2) Software activation
>>>
>>> Remember dongles? Now there was a real pain in the butt.
>>
>> Heh, I use one with my MacBook Air to connect HDMI and Ethernet at work.
>> Even when I have both such ports on my machine, I prefer to use a dongle
>> because I can replace the dongle if the ports get worn; it's a little
>> harder on the laptop itself.
>
>I think the dongles rbowman is talking about are the ones that were required
>to unlock specific applications. Without the dongle they wouldn't run.

It was circumvented by code crackers, for pirated use, so the dongles
really made one look like a sucker. And yet, I do believe in
financially supporting software (by purchase or voluntarily) when
indicated.

--
Joel Crump

[DFS]

On 11/13/2023 12:59 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:


> I was surprised to find that on my
> latest install of Windows 10, no image viewer was present anymore.

huh? Where do you get this stuff? Win10 and 11 come with the Photos
app, and it's not easy to uninstall even while suffering one of your
near daily Linux psychotic breaks.

> Linux handles
> images just fine and loads them as quickly as you click on them. It's
> amazing how regressive the operating system is in its progress.

Just open Photos and use the forward/back arrows to navigate the
pictures folder as fast as you can click. On this low-mid-range system
with old video card, images load instantaneously even if they're 7MB to
10MB in size.

[RabidPedagog]

The worst part is that you're probably right. I can just imagine them
saying "we're just going to remove this image viewer you like until you
do what we say and take the vacc... I mean upgrade to Windows 11."

> I think they would have a lot better luck getting people to move to Windows
> 11 without the TPM requirement. Without tht requirement most machines that
> run Windows 10 would run Windows 11 "out of box."

I'm going to do my best to inform people that they should avoid 11
simply because of what it did with both my fingerprint sensor and audio
chip. Do you like your hardware? Do you enjoy it more when it works
properly? Then, don't install Windows 11.

[%]

it works for people that know what they are doing

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-11-13 16:44, RonB wrote:
> On 2023-11-13, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 2023-11-13 1:08 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 11:14:23 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>>
>>>> Let's look at some of the stuff we've already swallowed from Microsoft,
>>>> Apple and manufacturers:
>>>>
>>>> 2) Software activation
>>>
>>> Remember dongles? Now there was a real pain in the butt.
>>
>> Heh, I use one with my MacBook Air to connect HDMI and Ethernet at work.
>> Even when I have both such ports on my machine, I prefer to use a dongle
>> because I can replace the dongle if the ports get worn; it's a little
>> harder on the laptop itself.
>
> I think the dongles rbowman is talking about are the ones that were required
> to unlock specific applications. Without the dongle they wouldn't run.

Oh right, I recall my cousin getting one for a 3D application he
purchased. He ended up cracking the application himself because of how
annoying it was.

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-11-13 17:08, DFS wrote:
> On 11/13/2023 12:59 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:
>
>
>> I was surprised to find that on my latest install of Windows 10, no
>> image viewer was present anymore.
>
> huh?  Where do you get this stuff?  Win10 and 11 come with the Photos
> app, and it's not easy to uninstall even while suffering one of your
> near daily Linux psychotic breaks.

Latest Windows 10 ISO, install it. Tell me if you find a Photos app.

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