Alex Jones claims Microsoft is a front for IBM
Darth Chaos
licensed MS-DOS to IBM for dirt cheap and when Microsoft and IBM
collaborated on OS/2.
I think he made the claim on either the Friday edition or Thursday
edition of his radio show. I've posted links to both shows.
http://rss.nfowars.net/20080905_Fri_Alex.mp3 (Friday show)
http://rss.nfowars.net/20080904_Thu_Alex.mp3 (Thursday show)
I admit I listen to that radio show frequently, but even I think
claiming MS to be an IBM front is ridiculous.
Phil Da Lick!
I dunno who this guy is, but with this statement he's shown himself to
be a dumbass of the highest degree. Microsoft are most definitely their
own outfit.
Moshe Goldfarb.
That's absolutely crazy.
IBM *tolerates* Microsoft and the opposite is true as well.
They both make money off of each other however there is no love between
those two companies.
Scuttlebut is that IBM's plan is to ultimately move off Windows and
Microsoft completely at some point.
I *suspect* a version of Linux that will be so well done and so well
received that it will compete with Windows in a way that the mish mash of
500+ different distributions has been unable to do.
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
Jesse Dorland
> IIRC, the only times Microsoft and IBM hooked up were when Microsoft
> licensed MS-DOS to IBM for dirt cheap and when Microsoft and IBM
> collaborated on OS/2.
>
> I think he made the claim on either the Friday edition or Thursday
> edition of his radio show. I've posted links to both shows.
>
>
> I admit I listen to that radio show frequently, but even I think
> claiming MS to be an IBM front is ridiculous.
Alex Jones is a jackass. His frequent guest are Hoffman a lunatic who
believes Semite Satans, David Icke who believes world is control by
Reptilian. Angel's wife tell us about Excrement; world's healthiest
food, and who let's not forget his last show about how his mom got
pregnant when she was virgin!
Jesse Dorland
Alex Jones is a copy version of Jeff Rense. If you don't know them
consider yourself lucky. These guys write conspiracy theory. Not just
an ordinary theory. I will list few of them here.
Guest #1 David Icke -- believes that world is control by Reptile.
Guest #2 John Rhodes; how he lost is reptilian wife!
Guest #3 His own mother; How she has her first baby when she was
virgin!
Guest #4 Larry Sinclair; man who claimed to be a lover of Obama, and
yet couldn't even pass polygraph test. (see the link)
http://gawker.com/360609/obamas-gay-lover-cant-pass-polygraph
Guest #5 Mr Oga Boga; Why chickens are our creator! (I kid you not!).
Guest #6 Miss Kelly; Why girls should be adam apple!
Guest #7 Mr. Anonymous; boys with birth canal!
I can go on, but I think you got the picture.
Moshe Goldfarb.
Holy mackerel!
He makes Art Bell sound almost normal......
Art thinks that reptilian lizrd people are controlling the earth from
underground as well.
Roy Schestowitz
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No, PJ is a front for IBM.
[sarcasm /]
- --
"There's a lot of Linux out there -- much more than Microsoft generally signals
publicly -- and their customers are using it..." --Paul DeGroot, a Directions
On Microsoft analyst.
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> ____/ Darth Chaos on Saturday 06 September 2008 21:38 : \____
>
>> IIRC, the only times Microsoft and IBM hooked up were when Microsoft
>> licensed MS-DOS to IBM for dirt cheap and when Microsoft and IBM
>> collaborated on OS/2.
>>
>> I think he made the claim on either the Friday edition or Thursday
>> edition of his radio show. I've posted links to both shows.
>>
>> http://rss.nfowars.net/20080905_Fri_Alex.mp3 (Friday show)
>> http://rss.nfowars.net/20080904_Thu_Alex.mp3 (Thursday show)
>>
>> I admit I listen to that radio show frequently, but even I think
>> claiming MS to be an IBM front is ridiculous.
>
> No, PJ is a front for IBM.
>
>
>
>
> [sarcasm /]
Some people suspect that PJ is shill for the FOSS movement.
Matt
> Scuttlebut is that IBM's plan is to ultimately move off Windows and
> Microsoft completely at some point.
Maybe you need to pay more attention to Roy's "spam"?
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3763326/IBM+Linux+and+the+MicrosoftFree+PC.htm
(((((
> IBM, Linux and the Microsoft-Free PC
> Big Blue fires double-barrel action against Microsoft.
> August 5, 2008
> By Sean Michael Kerner
> "The idea of Microsoft-free personal computing has been in the air for a while," Inna Kuznetsova, director of Linux at IBM, told InternetNews.com. "We're just partnering with Linux distribution vendors and hardware vendors to make it happen."
)))))
Matt
> No, PJ is a front for IBM.
>
> [sarcasm /]
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Polícia Judiciária (Portugal)
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Linonut
> ____/ Darth Chaos on Saturday 06 September 2008 21:38 : \____
>
>> I admit I listen to that radio show frequently, but even I think
>> claiming MS to be an IBM front is ridiculous.
>
> No, PJ is a front for IBM.
Heh heh.
> [sarcasm /]
Even that tag won't help Moshe. Prepare for another parental scolding
or loony-tunes rant, depending on his medication level.
--
There but for the grace of God, goes God.
-- Winston Churchill, speaking of Sir Stafford Cripps.
Roy Schestowitz
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> * Roy Schestowitz peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> ____/ Darth Chaos on Saturday 06 September 2008 21:38 : \____
>>
>>> I admit I listen to that radio show frequently, but even I think
>>> claiming MS to be an IBM front is ridiculous.
>>
>> No, PJ is a front for IBM.
>
> Heh heh.
>
>> [sarcasm /]
>
> Even that tag won't help Moshe. Prepare for another parental scolding
> or loony-tunes rant, depending on his medication level.
A few days ago I linked to Bill Beebe's support of Maureen O'Gara's spying and
was asked to replace that link so as to avoid proximity to the libel.
The Munchkins love some good libel. And they dare call "lies" and "spam" to
news articles.
- --
"There's a lot of Linux out there -- much more than Microsoft generally signals
publicly -- and their customers are using it..." --Paul DeGroot, a Directions
On Microsoft analyst.
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Hadron
> ____/ Linonut on Sunday 07 September 2008 12:14 : \____
>
>> * Roy Schestowitz peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>
>>> ____/ Darth Chaos on Saturday 06 September 2008 21:38 : \____
>>>
>>>> I admit I listen to that radio show frequently, but even I think
>>>> claiming MS to be an IBM front is ridiculous.
>>>
>>> No, PJ is a front for IBM.
>>
>> Heh heh.
>>
>>> [sarcasm /]
>>
>> Even that tag won't help Moshe. Prepare for another parental scolding
>> or loony-tunes rant, depending on his medication level.
>
> A few days ago I linked to Bill Beebe's support of Maureen O'Gara's spying and
> was asked to replace that link so as to avoid proximity to the libel.
>
> The Munchkins love some good libel. And they dare call "lies" and "spam" to
> news articles.
Why is your PGP key linked as "s...@danielsorogon.com" where that site is
some half arsed show piece of closed source flash ? And poorly done at
that.
--
"For example, user interfaces are _usually_ better in commercial software.
I'm not saying that this is always true, but in many cases the user
interface to a program is the most important part for a commercial
company..." Linus Torvalds <http://www.tlug.jp/docs/linus.html>
Tim Smith
Linonut <lin...@bollsouth.nut> wrote:
> * Roy Schestowitz peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
> > ____/ Darth Chaos on Saturday 06 September 2008 21:38 : \____
> >
> >> I admit I listen to that radio show frequently, but even I think
> >> claiming MS to be an IBM front is ridiculous.
> >
> > No, PJ is a front for IBM.
>
> Heh heh.
>
> > [sarcasm /]
>
> Even that tag won't help Moshe. Prepare for another parental scolding
> or loony-tunes rant, depending on his medication level.
Speaking of loony-tunes, what do you think of this:
<http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1874753788>
?
--
--Tim Smith
Linonut
Sydney, 2 September 2008, A new IDC report has shown the competition in
the Identity and Access Management (IAM) market in Australia and New
Zealand (ANZ) has intensified over the last 12 months. Oracle has
established a strong presence in the market, challenging other
incumbents including IBM, CA, Sun and Novell.
I think you fat-fingered something.
I have no idea what you're getting at with that article.
--
OVER the underpass! UNDER the overpass! Around the FUTURE and BEYOND REPAIR!!
Tim Smith
Nothing leapt out from it? No clear evidence that Microsoft was behind
that IDC report? Nothing nefarious about it appearing in a Linux
magazine?
Read deeper. Roy managed to use that as that start of a long spiel
about how Microsoft money is controlling the content of InfoWorld,
ComputerWorld, JavaWorld, LinuxWorld, MacUser, MacWorld, Network World,
and PC World are all on the take from Microsoft. Yet you think *Moshe*
is the loony-tune, and Roy is sane!?
--
--Tim Smith
Rex Ballard
> IIRC, the only times Microsoft and IBM hooked up were when Microsoft
> licensed MS-DOS to IBM for dirt cheap
When IBM turned to Microsoft for PC-DOS, they had been rebuffed by
Gary Kildall of CP/M fame, because IBM wanted him to sign a
nondisclosure and noncompete agreement which would have put him out of
the CP/M, MP/M, and CP/M-86 game.
Gary didn't want to turn his back on his previous customers.
When Gates claimed that he had an operating system, he wasn't
completely lying, Microsoft actually DID have Xenix which they had
produced based on AT&T Unix Version 6 and had marketed with the Tandy
6000 based 68000 based computer.
Of course, that wasn't the OS that Bill wanted to provide to IBM, and
he had read about QDOS (Quick and Dirty OS) which had been written for
the Z-80 processor and some very basic hardware, but it was a work-
alike to CP/M, and even included some dissassembled CP/M code that had
been translated to the Z-80 memnonics.
Ironically, Microsoft had to dissasemble the Z-80 code into intel
memnonics, then determine what needed to be 8088 specific. Still, it
was a LOT faster than trying to create an equivalent to CP/M from
scratch.
IBM may also have wanted to keep the new PC a bit "dumb", because they
didn't want PCs biting into their terminal, mainframe, and
minicomputer market. It was too late for the Minicomputer market, and
the Series-1 minicomputer couldn't compete with PCs and "sneaker-
net" (passing floppies between users).
The irony is that IBM didn't set up the PC as a "Terminal Emulator" to
replace 3270 terminals, but the PC made a very nice UNIX Terminal.
Later, terminals such as the H-19 and Z-19 terminals were actually PCs
with no disk drive, and terminal in ROM. Some terminals were even
programmable, with the ability to download small programs through the
RS-232 connection.
> and when Microsoft and IBM collaborated on OS/2.
The OS/2 collaboration was always a bit tense. IBM was very concerned
about quality control. They wanted a 32 bit operating system that
supported true multitasking, unlimited windows, and high quality
networking. To IBM, the product to beat was AT&T Unix. IBM knew,
from the release of the 80386, that the cost of UNIX would go down,
and it wouldn't be long before UNIX, or something very much like it,
was available on PCs for a price that was competitive with MS-DOS.
Microsoft was used to seat-of-the-pants coding and the "three finger
salute" (cntrl-alt-delete) was such a common practice that people just
assumed that they were supposed to reboot their PCs several times per
day. Gates was very frustrated with IBM's "bureaucracy, the constant
reporting, documentation of design changes, and detailed accounting
records. IBM knew that Microsoft was also working on Windows, and
didn't want to end up paying for Windows development.
Eventually, an audit revealed that Bill Gates had personally ordered
the embezzlement of about 3 billion from IBM. IBM was getting charged
for Windows developers, and Gates personally ordered the Windows teams
to use OS/2 code that had been designed and developed on IBM's dime,
often with IBM's engineering help.
With the release of Windows 3.0 and Microsoft's public denouncement of
OS/2, IBM and Microsoft got their "divorce", with IBM getting the
right to embed Windows functionality in OS/2 (about 70% of the OS/2
PCs sold were sold with BOTH Windows and OS/2).
Microsoft also have IBM the 32 bit code for OS/2, which turned out to
be more trouble than it was worth. It took Boca Raton almost 3 years
to fix errors caused by sloppy Microsoft programming and lack of
awareness of concepts like reentrant code, race conditions, and
deadlocks. When everything was cleaned up in Warp 4.0, Microsoft
tried to force IBM to stop marketing OS/2 as a precondition for
getting Windows 95. When that didn't work, Microsoft threatened to
revoke the right of Retailers to turn on Windows PCs if OS/2 PCs were
displayed in the store.
By 1996, IBM was looking for a "Unix Desktop" to compete with
Windows. They had very good results with AIX, and Lou Gerstner's
shift to customer focused consulting as opposed to "pushing products,
wanted or not" showed that customers and clients were very receptive
to AIX. So successful that IBM decided to put UNIX on the Mainframe,
which became one of the "personalities" of OS/390.
IBM had contracted with SCO, in a joint project with HP, DEC, and
Compaq, for a cheap Intel version of UNIX that could be run on small
"Merced" PC Servers as well as desktops and laptops. By late 1997,
SCO was way behind schedule. IBM gave them some code to help
accelerate the development, but it was almost like SCO was "dragging
it's feet". Is it possible that Microsoft was working to hold back,
or stall the development?
Meanwhile, the Linux kernel team had a fully functional version of
Linux working on the Merced Simulator. That was enough to impress
IBM, and soon Sam Palmisano was publicly announcing IBM's support for
Linux. About 6 months later, he was named Lou Gerstner's successer as
CEO of IBM.
Any notion that Microsoft is a "front" for IBM is quite amusing. I'm
sure that Sam would find it to be quite a surprise. Since the
announcement of Vista, Sam has been cutting ties with Microsoft as
much as possible, selling off the PC division, and even selling most
(all?) of their equity interest in Lenovo.
Internally, IBM purchased their transferrable licenses to XP/2000 and
Office, added Linux support to their standard software installer, and
removed MS-Office from the same installer. In effect, IBM has adopted
a strategy that eliminates the need to pay Microsoft anything for
Windows or Office. They are offering Notes 8 to all employees, and
Symphony to all clients. Eclipse based plug-ins can be used for
project management and "visio style" diagrams.
> I think he made the claim on either the Friday edition or Thursday
> edition of his radio show. I've posted links to both shows.
> http://rss.nfowars.net/20080905_Fri_Alex.mp3 (Friday show)
> http://rss.nfowars.net/20080904_Thu_Alex.mp3 (Thursday show)
> I admit I listen to that radio show frequently, but even I think
> claiming MS to be an IBM front is ridiculous.
IBM and Microsoft are at odds on numerous fronts.
IBM is supporting Linux and OSS, and has even released their on OSS,
putting it under control of non-profit organizations.
IBM is a big supporter of Open Document Format, Microsoft is pushing
OpenXML.
IBM just publicly exposed vulnerabilites with Windows/ActiveX, and can
back it up.
(These hacks have been published since 1997, but Microsoft keeps
getting injunctions against the small blogger style web sites).
IBM is a major supporter of Platform Independent Java (J2SE and J2EE),
while Microsoft has pushed .NET and other "Windows Only" technologies.
IBM even did a pilot test of Apple Laptops to see how they would play
in diverse client environments (problems were similar to those with
Linux).
IBM has give their consultents Linux options so that they can run
LInux on the latpop (as VMWare client, or with Linux Native and
Windows on VMWare).
IBM has made all of the employee related sites "Firefox Friendly" as
well as "Linux friendly", including the travel web site.
Now that IBM is a Microsoft CUSTOMER and NOT a Windows VENDOR, they
are getting very aggressive about getting rid of as much Microsoft as
possible.
It's almost as if IBM is saying "Not another dime to Microsoft".
Ideas and Opinions expressed in this article are strictly my own
personal observations, ideas, and opinions, and may or may not reflect
IBM's official
policies.
Official IBM websites related to Open Source and Linux include:
Roy Schestowitz
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Timmy takes things out of context, 'having stalked' me in a blog. For your
information, don't rely on selective Timmy Snippets™ (not the first time,
either!). Go to the source in its entirety:
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/06/idg-idc-microsoft-money/
- --
"There's a lot of Linux out there -- much more than Microsoft generally signals
publicly -- and their customers are using it..." --Paul DeGroot, a Directions
On Microsoft analyst.
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Moshe Goldfarb.
Internally.
IOW their own employees......
Moshe Goldfarb.
> Timmy takes things out of context, 'having stalked' me in a blog. For your
> information, don't rely on selective Timmy Snippets™ (not the first time,
> either!). Go to the source in its entirety:
>
> http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/06/idg-idc-microsoft-money/
The source?
You?
Hahhahaha!
That's a good one.
BTW why is your PGP key on some wacko's website which uses closed source
software and looks like Tokyo by night?
I wouldn't touch your trojan infested site, www.boycottnovel.com with a
barge pole, Roy Schestowitz.
Rex Ballard
> On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:58:48 -0500, Matt wrote:
> > Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
> >> Scuttlebut is that IBM's plan is to ultimately move off Windows and
> >> Microsoft completely at some point.
>
> > Maybe you need to pay more attention to Roy's "spam"?
>
> > (((((
> >> IBM, Linux and the Microsoft-Free PC
> >> Big Blue fires double-barrel action against Microsoft.
> >> August 5, 2008
> >> By Sean Michael Kerner
>
> >> "The idea of Microsoft-free personal computing has been in the air for a while," Inna Kuznetsova, director of Linux at IBM, told InternetNews.com. "We're just partnering with Linux distribution vendors and hardware vendors to make it happen."
> > )))))
>
> Internally.
> IOW their own employees......
Actually, it looks like the Lotus organization might work more closely
with VARs and/or OEMs to provide the new platform. Since IBM is no
longer in the PC business directly, they can market directly to all of
the PC vendors, offering them the "New IBM Compatibility".
> Moshe Goldfarb
> Collector of soaps
http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/
Rex B
Linonut
>> > <http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1874753788>
>>
>> Sydney, 2 September 2008, A new IDC report has shown the competition in
>> the Identity and Access Management (IAM) market in Australia and New
>> Zealand (ANZ) has intensified over the last 12 months. Oracle has
>> established a strong presence in the market, challenging other
>> incumbents including IBM, CA, Sun and Novell.
>>
>> I think you fat-fingered something.
>>
>> I have no idea what you're getting at with that article.
>
> Nothing leapt out from it? No clear evidence that Microsoft was behind
> that IDC report? Nothing nefarious about it appearing in a Linux
> magazine?
>
> Read deeper. Roy managed to use that as that start of a long spiel
> about how Microsoft money is controlling the content of InfoWorld,
> ComputerWorld, JavaWorld, LinuxWorld, MacUser, MacWorld, Network World,
> and PC World are all on the take from Microsoft. Yet you think *Moshe*
> is the loony-tune, and Roy is sane!?
Moshe is loony-tune. As for Roy, I must have missed that one.
You'd have done better to quote Roy-written text or link to it, rather
than make some mysterious allusion that calls your motives into
question.
--
Let he who takes the plunge remember to return it by Tuesday.
Linonut
> Timmy takes things out of context, 'having stalked' me in a blog. For your
> information, don't rely on selective Timmy Snippets? (not the first time,
> either!). Go to the source in its entirety:
>
> http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/06/idg-idc-microsoft-money/
What a paranoid rant! Into the loony-bin with you Roy Schestowitz!
Microsoft funds F.U.D., sweeps financial fraud under the rug, supported
SCO, lobbies in Congress, astroturfs using pressure groups, wallpapers
the IT press with advertising, all in support of its business goals of
"world domination".
Yeah, you're nuts man! <grin>
Is there a transcript of Lawrence Lessig's speech anywhere?
--
PEGGY FLEMMING is stealing BASKET BALLS to feed the babies in VERMONT.
Linonut
> Eventually, an audit revealed that Bill Gates had personally ordered
> the embezzlement of about 3 billion from IBM. IBM was getting charged
> for Windows developers, and Gates personally ordered the Windows teams
> to use OS/2 code that had been designed and developed on IBM's dime,
> often with IBM's engineering help.
Well, Bill had apparently gotten used to using Harvard computer time to
run his nascent business.
Embezzlement may be too strong a word; Wikipedia has a different take:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/2#Breakup
IBM grew concerned about the delays in development of OS/2 2.0 and
the diversion of IBM funds earmarked for OS/2 development towards
Windows[citation needed]. Initially, the companies agreed that IBM
would take over maintenance of OS/2 1.0 and development of OS/2 2.0,
while Microsoft would continue development of OS/2 3.0. In the end,
Microsoft decided to recast NT OS/2 3.0 as Windows NT, leaving all
future OS/2 development to IBM.
--
I can't mate in captivity.
-- Gloria Steinem, on why she has never married.
Roy Schestowitz
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____/ Linonut on Monday 08 September 2008 10:44 : \____
Not that I know of. I try to get as many people as I can to patiently watch the
presentation though.
- --
"There's a lot of Linux out there -- much more than Microsoft generally signals
publicly -- and their customers are using it..." --Paul DeGroot, a Directions
On Microsoft analyst.
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Tim Smith
Linonut <lin...@bollsouth.nut> wrote:
If I'd simply quoted Roy-written text or linked to it, you would not
have looked, your automatic belief in everything Roy says would have
kicked in.
By just citing the original article, I was giving you a chance to read
it, and be puzzled why I would mention since an innocent story as if
there was something significant. I figured that you would express that
puzzlement, Roy would see that and jump in, and demonstrate how loony he
actually is, in a way that even you might see as looney.
--
--Tim Smith
Moshe Goldfarb.
Linonut is into the :
Never looked.
Never tried it.
Never read it.
Couldn't tell you.
....mode of Linux advocacy these days rather than admit the obvious.
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Hadron
Yes. Like a whipped cur that quivers behind his master heals.
>
> By just citing the original article, I was giving you a chance to read
> it, and be puzzled why I would mention since an innocent story as if
> there was something significant. I figured that you would express that
> puzzlement, Roy would see that and jump in, and demonstrate how loony he
> actually is, in a way that even you might see as looney.
He can not see Roy's lips move from the back.
--
"What's wrong, (p)Rick? Were you defending the innocence of Hans "The
Linux Butcher" Reiser, and now that he's about to give up the body
you're embarrassed at being an idiot?"
-- DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> in comp.os.linux.advocacy
Hadron
I liked it when he was in his "Hadron who? Oh him. Is that old dog still
around" phase. It still makes me chuckle to think of Liarnut praising
Willy's filters.
Moshe Goldfarb.
Everytime I see a fiddler crab on the beach, I think of Willy "filter
fiddler" Poaster and his fantastic filter system.
Linonut
> If I'd simply quoted Roy-written text or linked to it, you would not
> have looked, your automatic belief in everything Roy says would have
> kicked in.
Don't give me that crap, Tim.
By nature, I'm a skeptic. I think for myself.
I've already explained many times my thoughts on Roy.
> By just citing the original article, I was giving you a chance to read
> it, and be puzzled why I would mention since an innocent story as if
> there was something significant. I figured that you would express that
> puzzlement, Roy would see that and jump in, and demonstrate how loony he
> actually is, in a way that even you might see as looney.
Unfortunately not.
I think Paul Thurott is more loony than Roy is, and Moshe, DFS, and even
Hadron exceed Roy in lunacy, and are certainly often way more unpleasant
than Roy, who generally responds with a light touch even when provoked
(alleged castration threats aside).
I would much rather Roy be posting, and suffer some inaccurate links,
lame quips <grin>, and even some tin-foil hat material, than have to
read the rantings, insults, and outright lies posted by many others
here.
Roy's biggest problem is that he is digging into Microsoft dirt, and
hence attracts ad hominem attacks from unpleasant munchkins who won't
flinch from mud-slinging in defense of Microsoft's dominance.
And, like most of us, he makes mistakes or goes too far from time to
time, which makes the attacks easier.
--
* o-o always like debmake because he knew exactly what it would do...
<ibid> o-o: you would ;-)
Hadron
> * Tim Smith peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> If I'd simply quoted Roy-written text or linked to it, you would not
>> have looked, your automatic belief in everything Roy says would have
>> kicked in.
>
> Don't give me that crap, Tim.
>
> By nature, I'm a skeptic. I think for myself.
>
> I've already explained many times my thoughts on Roy.
>
>> By just citing the original article, I was giving you a chance to read
>> it, and be puzzled why I would mention since an innocent story as if
>> there was something significant. I figured that you would express that
>> puzzlement, Roy would see that and jump in, and demonstrate how loony he
>> actually is, in a way that even you might see as looney.
>
> Unfortunately not.
>
> I think Paul Thurott is more loony than Roy is, and Moshe, DFS, and even
> Hadron exceed Roy in lunacy, and are certainly often way more
> unpleasant
Could you quote some of this lunacy? Maybe you could quote me bad
mouthing Linux too where I did not back it up with facts? Or is your
head too deep in the sand?
> than Roy, who generally responds with a light touch even when provoked
> (alleged castration threats aside).
Alleged? Heel Liarnut! Heel!
>
> I would much rather Roy be posting, and suffer some inaccurate links,
> lame quips <grin>, and even some tin-foil hat material, than have to
> read the rantings, insults, and outright lies posted by many others
> here.
>
> Roy's biggest problem is that he is digging into Microsoft dirt, and
> hence attracts ad hominem attacks from unpleasant munchkins who won't
> flinch from mud-slinging in defense of Microsoft's dominance.
Munchkins? You talk like Roy now!
>
> And, like most of us, he makes mistakes or goes too far from time to
> time, which makes the attacks easier.
Err, hence he IS attacked. He goes too far and he is a tin foil hat
wearing loony.
--
"Maybe you can buy a Saturday Night Special and blow your POS brains out."
-- Rick <no...@nomail.com> in comp.os.linux.advocacy
Peter Köhlmann
> Linonut <lin...@bollsouth.nut> writes:
>
>> * Tim Smith peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>
>>> If I'd simply quoted Roy-written text or linked to it, you would not
>>> have looked, your automatic belief in everything Roy says would have
>>> kicked in.
>>
>> Don't give me that crap, Tim.
>>
>> By nature, I'm a skeptic. I think for myself.
>>
>> I've already explained many times my thoughts on Roy.
>>
>>> By just citing the original article, I was giving you a chance to read
>>> it, and be puzzled why I would mention since an innocent story as if
>>> there was something significant. I figured that you would express that
>>> puzzlement, Roy would see that and jump in, and demonstrate how loony he
>>> actually is, in a way that even you might see as looney.
>>
>> Unfortunately not.
>>
>> I think Paul Thurott is more loony than Roy is, and Moshe, DFS, and even
>> Hadron exceed Roy in lunacy, and are certainly often way more
>> unpleasant
>
> Could you quote some of this lunacy? Maybe you could quote me bad
> mouthing Linux too where I did not back it up with facts? Or is your
> head too deep in the sand?
>
You don't back up anything with facts.
Claiming that "half of the hardware does not work" is not "fact".
Claiming that SATA does not work is not fact, it is a flat out lie
< snip >
--
Don't abandon hope: your Tom Mix decoder ring arrives tomorrow
Hadron
Are you really this dense. I said it *did not* work. I even explained in
detail what I had to do to get it working in debian.
Way to twist the words Kohlkopf.
Peter Köhlmann
Bullshit. *You* were unable to make it work without problems.
I have used SATA drives longer than you claim with your "1 year" span.
And I have not encountered any problems at all
So, if anything in *your* setup does not work, make it simple: Assume that
you are too dense to get it working
> I even explained in
> detail what I had to do to get it working in debian.
I don't care for your incompetence at all
> Way to twist the words Kohlkopf.
>
Way to mangle someones real name
--
Don't steal. Microsoft hates competition.
Moshe Goldfarb.
> Linonut <lin...@bollsouth.nut> writes:
> Could you quote some of this lunacy? Maybe you could quote me bad
> mouthing Linux too where I did not back it up with facts? Or is your
> head too deep in the sand?
You can add me to the list.....
I try to back up my points with facts or at least with some data that gives
my point some credibility.
>> than Roy, who generally responds with a light touch even when provoked
>> (alleged castration threats aside).
>
> Alleged? Heel Liarnut! Heel!
Schestowitz *has* to control himself because he is on the payroll.
It would hurt his tidy little operation if he lost control.
>> Roy's biggest problem is that he is digging into Microsoft dirt, and
>> hence attracts ad hominem attacks from unpleasant munchkins who won't
>> flinch from mud-slinging in defense of Microsoft's dominance.
>
> Munchkins? You talk like Roy now!
If it walks like a Schestowitz.
Barks like a Schestowitz.
It must be.....
Schestowitz's lap dog...
>>
>> And, like most of us, he makes mistakes or goes too far from time to
>> time, which makes the attacks easier.
>
> Err, hence he IS attacked. He goes too far and he is a tin foil hat
> wearing loony.
That's exactly why his is attacked.
It has nothing to do with FACTUAL MATERIAL he diggs up.
It has to do with his LOONY MATERIAL and the fact that he lies about doing
this for free and manually.
IOW he is being paid and the operation is highly scripted.
On top of that, he is poisoning other sites with his nuttiness as well.
Peter Köhlmann
> On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:38:52 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>
>> Linonut <lin...@bollsouth.nut> writes:
>
>> Could you quote some of this lunacy? Maybe you could quote me bad
>> mouthing Linux too where I did not back it up with facts? Or is your
>> head too deep in the sand?
>
> You can add me to the list.....
> I try to back up my points with facts or at least with some data that
> gives my point some credibility.
>
Yeah, right, flatfish
< snip flatfish droppings >
--
The chief cause of problems is solutions
Hadron
Do you use Debian? Did you have my SATA setup? No wonder you are such a
crap advocate. Works for you, so it must work for everyone else. You
really are pitiful.
> So, if anything in *your* setup does not work, make it simple: Assume that
> you are too dense to get it working
Or, the drivers are not in that distro yet ....
>
>> I even explained in
>> detail what I had to do to get it working in debian.
>
> I don't care for your incompetence at all
Actually I think I was (to do a Rexx) quite a help to others in the irc
channels at the time. Many people were having issues.
>
>> Way to twist the words Kohlkopf.
>>
>
> Way to mangle someones real name
It just seems more "you"..
--
"Fuck you, you lying bitch. "
-- Rick <no...@nomail.com> in alt.true-crime, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Peter Köhlmann
Do you claim problems for "linux" or for "Debian"?
When you post here, you say it is "linux problems"
And yet, "linux" does not seem to have the problems you claim are there.
So, what is it? You being completely incompetent (extremely likely)
or "chosen distro out of mainstream"?
>> So, if anything in *your* setup does not work, make it simple: Assume
>> that you are too dense to get it working
>
> Or, the drivers are not in that distro yet ....
So, why do you think "linux" has any problems with your hardware?
Hint: It does not. *You* have
< snip >
--
To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it.
To mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it.
Hadron
Debian is a Linux. And if it happens there you can be sure it happens
elsewhere. Or does your distro mean it works for ALL distros?
> When you post here, you say it is "linux problems"
It is.
> And yet, "linux" does not seem to have the problems you claim are
> there.
Liar. Lots of people all over the place had similar. With different
distros too.
> So, what is it? You being completely incompetent (extremely likely)
> or "chosen distro out of mainstream"?
Debian is not a mainstream distro? Debian Lenny which is "testing" which
is FAR more uptodate than Etch? God. You sound as clueless as High
Plains Hypocrite now. Sorry and all that. But you do.
>
>>> So, if anything in *your* setup does not work, make it simple: Assume
>>> that you are too dense to get it working
>>
>> Or, the drivers are not in that distro yet ....
>
> So, why do you think "linux" has any problems with your hardware?
> Hint: It does not. *You* have
Wow. You really are as dense and incompetent as Snit suggests.
(chuckle : I just love this .sig)
--
"Maybe he knows where the body is because he saw where
it was put." -- "Rick" defending Hans Reiser (his hero) in comp.os.linux.advocacy
Steve Carroll
news:ga4ask$qjd$2...@registered.motzarella.org
You just proved you are another Snit sockpuppet/shill. How many names do
you use, Snit?
--
"Apple is pushing how green this is - but it [Macbook Air] is
clearly disposable... when the battery dies you can pretty much
just throw it away". - Snit
Linonut
And calling me Liarnut all the time is a sure sign that Hadron is a
Fucknut.
--
Love is not enough, but it sure helps.
William Poaster
Both. Quack claims to be using Debian "Lenny" which is still in beta, &
he's proved many times that he's incompetent.
As for SATA not working in Linux, that's rubbish. I've got Mandriva
2008.1, Ubuntu 8.04LTS, PCLinuxOS 2007, & SuSE 11.0 (on test) *all*
running in machines with SATA drives installed.
>>> So, if anything in *your* setup does not work, make it simple: Assume
>>> that you are too dense to get it working
>>
>> Or, the drivers are not in that distro yet ....
>
> So, why do you think "linux" has any problems with your hardware?
> Hint: It does not. *You* have
PBCAK.
chrisv
> Hadron quacked:
>>
>> Peter Köhlmann <peter.k...@arcor.de> writes:
>>>
>>> You don't back up anything with facts.
>>> Claiming that "half of the hardware does not work" is not "fact".
>>> Claiming that SATA does not work is not fact, it is a flat out lie
>>
>> Are you really this dense. I said it *did not* work.
>
> Bullshit. *You* were unable to make it work without problems.
> I have used SATA drives longer than you claim with your "1 year" span.
> And I have not encountered any problems at all
> So, if anything in *your* setup does not work, make it simple: Assume that
> you are too dense to get it working
Quack sure has a lot of problems, for a "kernel hacker". I've been using
SATA drives with Linux for over two years, and have never had a problem.
Matt
> IIRC, the only times Microsoft and IBM hooked up were when Microsoft
> licensed MS-DOS to IBM for dirt cheap and when Microsoft and IBM
> collaborated on OS/2.
>
> I think he made the claim on either the Friday edition or Thursday
> edition of his radio show. I've posted links to both shows.
>
> http://rss.nfowars.net/20080905_Fri_Alex.mp3 (Friday show)
> http://rss.nfowars.net/20080904_Thu_Alex.mp3 (Thursday show)
>
> I admit I listen to that radio show frequently, but even I think
> claiming MS to be an IBM front is ridiculous.