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Onion Knight

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Oct 14, 2016, 7:54:18 PM10/14/16
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Meet Christopher J. Ahlstrom.
From a post dated 4/5/13
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.advocacy/-
d_jzxaszTY/TmdWza8FbiwJ

Isn't Google amazing!
I love that fucking Linux!
Without Google we wouldn't know what a complete asshat Chris Ahlstrom
is.

/////////Quote from the post////////////

Note 1: I never have and never will contact Linosuck or his family or
employer.
Note 2: All info is *public* and courtesy of Google - *a Linux
company*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yfV6RzE30&feature=player_embedded
------------------------------------------------
Christopher John Ahlstrom
1315 Deep Water Dr
Mount Pleasant, SC 29464-7434
Phone: (843) 849-0985

Birthday: July 7, 1957
Age: 55
The House that Windows Bought:
http://maps.google.com/maps?li=rwp&q=1315+Deep+Water+Dr,
+Mount+Pleasant,+SC+29464

Photos:
https://plus.google.com/110090282080385945821
#photos/110090282080385945821/albums/profile
http://www.charlestonbattery.com/regiment/reg2003/images/2003/05-
10/the-ahlstroms.jpg

Wife: Jayne Baldwin
http://academicdepartments.musc.edu/facultydirectory/FacultyDetails.as
px?facultyId=2586

Daughter: Stephanie Ahlstrom Hilbert
http://www.peekyou.com/stephanie_ahlstrom/314225176

Currently drives a 2011 Ford Fiesta crapbox
http://www.edmunds.com/ford/fiesta/2011/

Previously drove a 2009 Toyota Yaris crapbox.
http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/yaris/2009/

Wife used to drive a Honda Fit crapbox:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8ddbc43517cb
8d86?hl=en

Previous addresses:
Chatsworth, CA
Van Nuys, CA
Augusta, GA
Nashville, TN
http://radaris.com/p/Christopher/Ahlstrom/

Current job:
software QA/tester and documenter

Previous job at failed company:
Analyst at MLS
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/chris-ahlstrom/14/28b/a67

open source code he wrote:
http://sites.google.com/site/casoffware/xpc_suite

screenshot of his Windows 7 system at work:
http://sites.google.com/site/casoffware/Home/pix

Research paper:
Low frequency thresholds produced by insert ear-phones.
Larson, V.D., Cooper, W.A., Ahlstrom, C.J., & De Chicchis, A.R.
(1988).
American Speech-Language-Hearing Association, 30(10), 147.
http://www.coe.uga.edu/vita/alde_vita.pdf

His Gimp artwork of a South Carolina soccer flag:
http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/South+Carolina+Soccer+flag?
content=86514&PHPSESSID=6d9620bdfd6b7326c2573210b6f9a625

Soccer supporter meeting he attended:
http://www.charlestonbattery.com/Regiment/Reg2001/business/minutes_
2001-02-20.html

Daughter's August 2008 wedding announcement:
http://assets.mediaspanonline.com/prod/1209227/08202008MONA07.pdf

His daughter drinks beer and loves Clinton and Obama
http://www.myspace.com/12880506

She passed the bar exam in Kentucky in July 2009
http://kyoba.boxlake.com/Views/public/Content.aspx?page_id=232

7

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Oct 15, 2016, 6:11:51 AM10/15/16
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Onion Knight wrote:

> Meet

Tell that to your probation officer.

Doxing is illegal in the UK and a criminal offence.

Better not have any offices in UK troll or all
of your pals here are going to be in front
of a judge and jury weeping like gurlies.

Chris Ahlstrom

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Oct 15, 2016, 8:43:14 AM10/15/16
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7 wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
Some sad packer is still obsessed with Moi after all these years, posting
incorrect data?

What a yuge loser!

--
You will experience a strong urge to do good; but it will pass.

Jim Polaski

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Oct 15, 2016, 8:56:06 AM10/15/16
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On 2016-10-15, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
> 7 wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> Onion Knight wrote:
>>
>>> Meet
>>
>> Tell that to your probation officer.
>>
>> Doxing is illegal in the UK and a criminal offence.
>>
>> Better not have any offices in UK troll or all
>> of your pals here are going to be in front
>> of a judge and jury weeping like gurlies.
>
> Some sad packer is still obsessed with Moi after all these years, posting
> incorrect data?
>
> What a yuge loser!

Yuge?
Is that a word you siphoned from Mad Magazine?

William Poaster

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Oct 15, 2016, 10:15:03 AM10/15/16
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On 15/10/2016 13:39 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, Chris Ahlstrom posted:

> 7 wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> Onion Knight wrote:
>>
>>> Meet
>>
>> Tell that to your probation officer.
>>
>> Doxing is illegal in the UK and a criminal offence.
>>
>> Better not have any offices in UK troll or all
>> of your pals here are going to be in front
>> of a judge and jury weeping like gurlies.
>
> Some sad packer is still obsessed with Moi after all these years, posting
> incorrect data?
>
> What a yuge loser!

Doxing is illegal, & not just in the UK:

http://patch.com/massachusetts/malden/what-is-doxing-yes-it-is-illegal


--

What IS remarkable, is that a well developed ape has come
to realise that he lives on a planet, circling a sun, in a
planetary system, within a galaxy, within a universe.
- Professor Michio Kaku - Theoretical Physicist -

Chris Ahlstrom

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Oct 15, 2016, 4:37:19 PM10/15/16
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William Poaster wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 15/10/2016 13:39 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, Chris Ahlstrom posted:
>
>> 7 wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> Onion Knight wrote:
>>>
>>>> Meet
>>>
>>> Tell that to your probation officer.
>>>
>>> Doxing is illegal in the UK and a criminal offence.
>>>
>>> Better not have any offices in UK troll or all
>>> of your pals here are going to be in front
>>> of a judge and jury weeping like gurlies.
>>
>> Some sad packer is still obsessed with Moi after all these years, posting
>> incorrect data?
>>
>> What a yuge loser!
>
> Doxing is illegal, & not just in the UK:
>
> http://patch.com/massachusetts/malden/what-is-doxing-yes-it-is-illegal

"If you feel you have been the victim of doxing or threatened doxing,
please report the incident, including screenshots, to the local police."

LOL. The keystone (local) cops would be like "yeah yeah, yeah, we're on it"
and go back to reading k00k sites like Breitbart.com.

--
You will be divorced within a year.

Octavian W. Lagrange

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Oct 15, 2016, 5:02:30 PM10/15/16
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Spelling it "k00k" is how Little Beaver lets us know that he is an
elite hacker.

We don't need your libtard trolling in cola, Little Beaver. Breitbart.com
is not a kook site, but here's just a sample of the braindead leftist
kookery America has to deal with on a daily basis from your ilk:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=993_1476305975

Recognize any of your friends? Maybe the guy at 3:03? LOL. Boom!

I can't wait for the day of reckoning.

GreyCloud

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Oct 15, 2016, 8:15:00 PM10/15/16
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I'd say that he was raised that way. I know that every war since the civil war
was started by libtards. Too bad there isn't a law against them.

DFS

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Oct 19, 2016, 1:05:40 PM10/19/16
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On 10/15/2016 6:11 AM, 7 wrote:


> Doxing is illegal in the UK and a criminal offence.



What 'doxing', fraud?

You posted all kinds of stuff about yourself, fraud.



* you named your employer on the public website LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-michael-09468020

Recommendations:
"September 14, 2015, Joe worked directly with Ahmed at Instrotech"

www.instrotech.com

Instrotech Ltd,
Unit A, Penfold Trading Estate,
Imperial Way,
Watford, Hertfordshire, WD24 4YY
Company Registration No: 1788053
T: +44 (0) 1923 442 244
F: +44 (0) 1923 252 959
E: sa...@instrotech.com

http://www.endole.co.uk/company/01788053/instrotech-limited




* to this day you put your fraudulent website in your Usenet headers:
Organization: enemygadgets.com

It's no longer online. Did the UK govt order you to take the site down
for promoting fraud?





* you claimed you were:

EUROPEAN INVENTOR OF THE YEAR
Joseph Michael
Robodyne Cybernetics Ltd
j...@stellar.demon.co.uk
23 Portland Rise, London N4 2PT
Tel 0836 703945 (Mobile)
Tel 0181-800 9914 Fax 9915

(posted to alt.inventors)



You in a suit and bowl cut:
http://90.146.8.18/bilderclient/PR_1998_josephmichael_001_p.jpg


http://www.viewzone.com/nanotech.html


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/1999-01-24/the-shape-of-robots-to-come



15 years ago, fantasizing about the big bucks:
"Very soon I could be a millionaire..."
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4042395/Joe-the-Genius-Inventor

Fast forward to today, and you're making peanuts, toiling away doing
some kind of bullshit with rental electronic equipment. What went wrong?



Here's where a real scientist handed your ass to you, and asked you to
program a routine to make a set of cubes 'reassemble' itself - which
reassembly was the basis for your so-called 'shape-changing,
self-repairing, fractal nanobots'. You ran away as usual.

http://postbiota.org/pipermail/sci.nano/5311.html

You claimed your 'cubes' could turn a Buckingham Palace structure into a
White House structure in one minute... but you couldn't even program a
few cubes to move in a coordinated fashion? Wazzup?




More of your self-published "inventions" - highly recommended for
gut-busting laughter:

http://web.archive.org/web/19970415155420/http://www.stellar.demon.co.uk/

http://web.archive.org/web/19990128235246/http://www.stellar.demon.co.uk/teraform.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/19990203234858/http://www.stellar.demon.co.uk/atlantis.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/19990428064822/http://www.stellar.demon.co.uk/contents.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/19990428115452/http://www.stellar.demon.co.uk/forensic.htm


Forensic Reconstruction Holodeck
Silicon Muscle Project
Fractal Arachnatrons
Space Gun
Sub-Atomic Precision Space Telescope
Autodynes
Project Atlantis
Terraforming System

heh!

Every single bit of it was "invented" after you played American video
games and watched Hollywood movies.




If you don't want such info to be published, why do you publish it yourself?


Jim Polaski

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Oct 19, 2016, 3:34:02 PM10/19/16
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On 2016-10-19, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
> On 10/15/2016 6:11 AM, 7 wrote:
>
>
>> Doxing is illegal in the UK and a criminal offence.
>
>
>
> What 'doxing', fraud?
>
> You posted all kinds of stuff about yourself, fraud.
>

The more I see of the oddballs in COLA and the way they behave the more
I realize that the Prescott Parasite was right about most of them.
And while I don't condone his massive sock puppet invasion, at least
some of his analysis of Linux and Linux advocates is spot on.
It's no wonder they fear him depsite his mental illness which I do hope
he is being treated for during his abscence from COLA.

And before the COLA Cabal gets their undies in a knot, no, I'm not
supporting the Prescott Parasite. I'm just saying that objectively
speaking, he has many of you and your behavior nailed.

Deplorable Silver Slimer

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Oct 19, 2016, 4:17:35 PM10/19/16
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Let's be fair:

Snit is an idiot and this newsgroup can only be better if he's not around.

However, he was right in pointing out that there's a Linux herd here,
that Peter the Klöwn is constantly incorrect about whatever he says and
that the "advocates" fear talking about technology. I don't blame them
though; Linux is so far behind in terms of technology that talking to
its users about such a topic would be like an English speaker
communicating with someone who only speaks Aramaic.

--
Deplorable Silver Slimer
Islam is a disease
Gab.ai: @silverslimer

Melzzzzz

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Oct 19, 2016, 4:38:03 PM10/19/16
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On 2016-10-19, Deplorable Silver Slimer <> wrote:
I don't blame them
> though; Linux is so far behind in terms of technology that talking to
> its users about such a topic would be like an English speaker
> communicating with someone who only speaks Aramaic.
>
Hm, in what ways is Linux behind technology?
I thought that Windows heavily lags behind, so OSX as well.
eg zswap is only recently added to Windows 10...
also Windows support for huge pages is flaky:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366720(v=vs.85).aspx
Linux has transparent huge pages support while Windows does not.


--
press any key to continue or any other to quit

Deplorable Silver Slimer

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Oct 19, 2016, 4:44:14 PM10/19/16
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On 2016-10-19 4:38 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2016-10-19, Deplorable Silver Slimer <> wrote:
> I don't blame them
>> though; Linux is so far behind in terms of technology that talking to
>> its users about such a topic would be like an English speaker
>> communicating with someone who only speaks Aramaic.
>>
> Hm, in what ways is Linux behind technology?

When even ACPI isn't properly done, you know that you have a problem.
Linux "advocates" are always happy to mention the fact that USB3 was
first supported by Linux but it's pointless if other implementations,
like sleep and wake, don't work properly even two decades after they
first appeared on computers.

> I thought that Windows heavily lags behind, so OSX as well.
> eg zswap is only recently added to Windows 10...
> also Windows support for huge pages is flaky:
> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366720(v=vs.85).aspx
> Linux has transparent huge pages support while Windows does not.

I'll be the first to say that I love transparency in software and would
advocate that forever. Hell, I'm still strongly in favour of government
institutions and schools using open-source _exclusively_. However, I
know that the resistance by government to do such a thing has a lot to
do with how inconsistent open-source projects routinely are and how
flaky the hardware support was. In fact, I asked one of the main techs
at my school board why Linux hasn't been implemented across the board
and he mentioned that they tried it but that it ended up being a
complete nightmare because problems arose on an almost daily basis.

Cue insults by hypochrisv and Cunt Ahlstrom, Peter the Klöwn calling me
and the techs dimbulbs and the eventual +1 by Humpty Dumpty Wideload
Porkster.

Jim Polaski

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Oct 19, 2016, 5:06:46 PM10/19/16
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On 2016-10-19, Deplorable Silver Slimer <> wrote:
> On 2016-10-19 3:34 PM, Jim Polaski wrote:
>> On 2016-10-19, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>>> On 10/15/2016 6:11 AM, 7 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Doxing is illegal in the UK and a criminal offence.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What 'doxing', fraud?
>>>
>>> You posted all kinds of stuff about yourself, fraud.
>>>
>>
>> The more I see of the oddballs in COLA and the way they behave the more
>> I realize that the Prescott Parasite was right about most of them.
>> And while I don't condone his massive sock puppet invasion, at least
>> some of his analysis of Linux and Linux advocates is spot on.
>> It's no wonder they fear him depsite his mental illness which I do hope
>> he is being treated for during his abscence from COLA.
>>
>> And before the COLA Cabal gets their undies in a knot, no, I'm not
>> supporting the Prescott Parasite. I'm just saying that objectively
>> speaking, he has many of you and your behavior nailed.
>
> Let's be fair:
>
> Snit is an idiot and this newsgroup can only be better if he's not around.

Of course.
He is one of those toxic types that destroys everything he comes in
contact with.

> However, he was right in pointing out that there's a Linux herd here,
> that Peter the Klöwn is constantly incorrect about whatever he says and
> that the "advocates" fear talking about technology. I don't blame them
> though; Linux is so far behind in terms of technology that talking to
> its users about such a topic would be like an English speaker
> communicating with someone who only speaks Aramaic.

Lol !

Melzzzzz

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Oct 19, 2016, 5:07:06 PM10/19/16
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On 2016-10-19, Deplorable Silver Slimer <> wrote:
> On 2016-10-19 4:38 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On 2016-10-19, Deplorable Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>> I don't blame them
>>> though; Linux is so far behind in terms of technology that talking to
>>> its users about such a topic would be like an English speaker
>>> communicating with someone who only speaks Aramaic.
>>>
>> Hm, in what ways is Linux behind technology?
>
> When even ACPI isn't properly done, you know that you have a problem.

It's not a problem of Linux, usually. Non standard BIOS'es and their bugs...


> Linux "advocates" are always happy to mention the fact that USB3 was
> first supported by Linux but it's pointless if other implementations,
> like sleep and wake, don't work properly even two decades after they
> first appeared on computers.

Sleep and wake are notoriously difficult features to implement, depending on
lot of factors. eg flaky GPU driver can cause all sort of problems.

>
>> I thought that Windows heavily lags behind, so OSX as well.
>> eg zswap is only recently added to Windows 10...
>> also Windows support for huge pages is flaky:
>> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366720(v=vs.85).aspx
>> Linux has transparent huge pages support while Windows does not.
>
> I'll be the first to say that I love transparency in software and would
> advocate that forever. Hell, I'm still strongly in favour of government
> institutions and schools using open-source _exclusively_. However, I
> know that the resistance by government to do such a thing has a lot to
> do with how inconsistent open-source projects routinely are and how
> flaky the hardware support was. In fact, I asked one of the main techs
> at my school board why Linux hasn't been implemented across the board
> and he mentioned that they tried it but that it ended up being a
> complete nightmare because problems arose on an almost daily basis.

I hardly believe so. Students and scientists are ones mainly writing open
source projects. Lot of research projects have first class support on Linux
but only second hand on Windows. Perhaps, thing is that there are not many
Linux sys admins out there, but problems? My father and mother are 77 and 68
and they don't have any problems with Linux. Only time I have to do
something is to perform update once in 3 months...

>
> Cue insults by hypochrisv and Cunt Ahlstrom, Peter the Klöwn calling me
> and the techs dimbulbs and the eventual +1 by Humpty Dumpty Wideload
> Porkster.
>
Thing is that techs are not well educated to use and maintain anything else
but Windows, so using Linux has problems on daily basis...

tmelmosfire

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Oct 19, 2016, 5:17:37 PM10/19/16
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On Wednesday, 19 October 2016 14:06:46 UTC-7, Jim Polaski wrote:

> >> The more I see of the oddballs in COLA and the way they behave the more
> >> I realize that the Prescott Parasite was right about most of them.
> >> And while I don't condone his massive sock puppet invasion, at least
> >> some of his analysis of Linux and Linux advocates is spot on.
> >> It's no wonder they fear him depsite his mental illness which I do hope
> >> he is being treated for during his abscence from COLA.
> >>
> >> And before the COLA Cabal gets their undies in a knot, no, I'm not
> >> supporting the Prescott Parasite. I'm just saying that objectively
> >> speaking, he has many of you and your behavior nailed.
> >
> > Let's be fair:
> >
> > Snit is an idiot and this newsgroup can only be better if he's not around.
>
> Of course.
> He is one of those toxic types that destroys everything he comes in
> contact with.

You mean the guy you used to accuse me of being and who you just said a minute ago you figured out was right.

> > However, he was right in pointing out that there's a Linux herd here,
> > that Peter the Klöwn is constantly incorrect about whatever he says and
> > that the "advocates" fear talking about technology. I don't blame them
> > though; Linux is so far behind in terms of technology that talking to
> > its users about such a topic would be like an English speaker
> > communicating with someone who only speaks Aramaic.
>
> Lol !

What do you to love birds think Snit was wrong about? Was he so wrong you feel the need to join the cult in attacking him?

Deplorable Silver Slimer

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Oct 19, 2016, 5:27:09 PM10/19/16
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On 2016-10-19 5:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2016-10-19, Deplorable Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>> On 2016-10-19 4:38 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>> On 2016-10-19, Deplorable Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>>> I don't blame them
>>>> though; Linux is so far behind in terms of technology that talking to
>>>> its users about such a topic would be like an English speaker
>>>> communicating with someone who only speaks Aramaic.
>>>>
>>> Hm, in what ways is Linux behind technology?
>>
>> When even ACPI isn't properly done, you know that you have a problem.
>
> It's not a problem of Linux, usually. Non standard BIOS'es and their bugs...

It worked right for sleep/wake on this MSI, but not for shutdown (not
every time anyway). It didn't work at all on my older Sony unless I
added a line to GRUB. I could get it working, but these workarounds
would confuse a regular, undetermined user.

>> Linux "advocates" are always happy to mention the fact that USB3 was
>> first supported by Linux but it's pointless if other implementations,
>> like sleep and wake, don't work properly even two decades after they
>> first appeared on computers.
>
> Sleep and wake are notoriously difficult features to implement, depending on
> lot of factors. eg flaky GPU driver can cause all sort of problems.

Yeah, I can imagine. Windows had problems implementing it properly when
XP came out and it was much worse before XP's release. However, that was
back in 2001 and since then sleep/wake work wonderfully on every system
Windows is installed on. Why can't Linux get it right in 2016?

>>> I thought that Windows heavily lags behind, so OSX as well.
>>> eg zswap is only recently added to Windows 10...
>>> also Windows support for huge pages is flaky:
>>> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366720(v=vs.85).aspx
>>> Linux has transparent huge pages support while Windows does not.
>>
>> I'll be the first to say that I love transparency in software and would
>> advocate that forever. Hell, I'm still strongly in favour of government
>> institutions and schools using open-source _exclusively_. However, I
>> know that the resistance by government to do such a thing has a lot to
>> do with how inconsistent open-source projects routinely are and how
>> flaky the hardware support was. In fact, I asked one of the main techs
>> at my school board why Linux hasn't been implemented across the board
>> and he mentioned that they tried it but that it ended up being a
>> complete nightmare because problems arose on an almost daily basis.
>
> I hardly believe so. Students and scientists are ones mainly writing open
> source projects. Lot of research projects have first class support on Linux
> but only second hand on Windows. Perhaps, thing is that there are not many
> Linux sys admins out there, but problems? My father and mother are 77 and 68
> and they don't have any problems with Linux. Only time I have to do
> something is to perform update once in 3 months...

Considering how many problems my mom has with OS X, I can't imagine
trying to get her to use Linux. Mind you, that was the first OS they
ever used (Lindows) and it didn't work very well for them at all.

>> Cue insults by hypochrisv and Cunt Ahlstrom, Peter the Klöwn calling me
>> and the techs dimbulbs and the eventual +1 by Humpty Dumpty Wideload
>> Porkster.
>>
> Thing is that techs are not well educated to use and maintain anything else
> but Windows, so using Linux has problems on daily basis...

These techs knew what they needed to know about Linux, it just didn't
cooperate with them.

chrisv

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Oct 20, 2016, 8:19:41 AM10/20/16
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Melzzzzz wrote:

> slime wrote:
>>
>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>
>>> slime wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Linux is so far behind in terms of technology

Liar. Linux kicks ass, on both WinDOS and OSX, in many technical
areas.

>>> Hm, in what ways is Linux behind technology?
>>
>> When even ACPI isn't properly done, you know that you have a problem.

Yeah, that's "fair". Pick a single issue, where OEM support
(pre-installs) is a huge factor in getting issues resolved, and use
that to imply that Linux is "far behind in terms of technology".

Lying sack of shit.

> It's not a problem of Linux, usually. Non standard BIOS'es and their bugs...
>
>> Linux "advocates" are always happy to mention the fact that USB3 was
>> first supported by Linux

Only one of many examples where Linux leads, technically.

>Sleep and wake are notoriously difficult features to implement, depending on
>lot of factors. eg flaky GPU driver can cause all sort of problems.

We can't cut Linux any slack, just because Windows gets 100x the
industry support, man! We must attack the FOSS community for not
doing what they should be doing. Or maybe everyone should just
throw-up their hands and use Windows, since it's "the standard". Life
is so much easier when you're part of the herd, you know.

>> I'll be the first to say (snip)

Who cares what a liar says?

>> Cue insults

Unfortunately, insults have little effect on a shameless liar like
"Slimer".

>Thing is that techs are not well educated to use and maintain anything else
>but Windows, so using Linux has problems on daily basis...

Yep. People just accept Window's foibles, they are so used to dealing
with them...

--
"Understandably, since Linux is garbage, you need to monitor it at all
times like a fragile newborn." - "Slimer"

Jim Polaski

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Oct 20, 2016, 8:22:52 AM10/20/16
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On 2016-10-19, Deplorable Silver Slimer <> wrote:
> On 2016-10-19 4:38 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>> On 2016-10-19, Deplorable Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>> I don't blame them
>>> though; Linux is so far behind in terms of technology that talking to
>>> its users about such a topic would be like an English speaker
>>> communicating with someone who only speaks Aramaic.
>>>
>> Hm, in what ways is Linux behind technology?
>
> When even ACPI isn't properly done, you know that you have a problem.
> Linux "advocates" are always happy to mention the fact that USB3 was
> first supported by Linux but it's pointless if other implementations,
> like sleep and wake, don't work properly even two decades after they
> first appeared on computers.

ACPI is less of a problem with Linux than it used to be. My last 3
laptops, all Lenovo, have been fine. I realize other brands are not so
Linux friendly and yes, it /is/ a Linux problem because when it works
with Windows and does not work with Linux that is the conclusion the
user will reach.


>> I thought that Windows heavily lags behind, so OSX as well.
>> eg zswap is only recently added to Windows 10...
>> also Windows support for huge pages is flaky:
>> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366720(v=vs.85).aspx
>> Linux has transparent huge pages support while Windows does not.
>
> I'll be the first to say that I love transparency in software and would
> advocate that forever. Hell, I'm still strongly in favour of government
> institutions and schools using open-source _exclusively_. However, I
> know that the resistance by government to do such a thing has a lot to
> do with how inconsistent open-source projects routinely are and how
> flaky the hardware support was. In fact, I asked one of the main techs
> at my school board why Linux hasn't been implemented across the board
> and he mentioned that they tried it but that it ended up being a
> complete nightmare because problems arose on an almost daily basis.
>
> Cue insults by hypochrisv and Cunt Ahlstrom, Peter the Klöwn calling me
> and the techs dimbulbs and the eventual +1 by Humpty Dumpty Wideload
> Porkster.

Institutions typically purchase from large companies like IBM, Dell, HP
and they get servers that are Linux certified and fully supported. My
suspician is that a lot of the back end really is running Linux but
people don't realize it. I have a number of real geek, tech type friends
and they are telling me that Apple is making big gains at the user level
however Apple has been lagging technology wise and needs to up the game
quickly or the momentum is going to slow down. One reason for the Apple
upturn is people are beginning to learn about Miscrosoft's automatic
forced updates and telemetry of user data and such.

Marek Novotny

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If they're so happy with Windows why are they in here? They just
can't escape the reality which is that they are here in a Linux group,
trolling. Everything you see and respond to is merely there bullshit
justification for being in here. It's all bullshit. The real reason
they're in here is that they are sad losers. They know it and we know
it.

--
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

Silver Slimer

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On 2016-10-20 8:22 AM, Jim Polaski wrote:
> On 2016-10-19, Deplorable Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>> On 2016-10-19 4:38 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>> On 2016-10-19, Deplorable Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>>> I don't blame them
>>>> though; Linux is so far behind in terms of technology that talking to
>>>> its users about such a topic would be like an English speaker
>>>> communicating with someone who only speaks Aramaic.
>>>>
>>> Hm, in what ways is Linux behind technology?
>>
>> When even ACPI isn't properly done, you know that you have a problem.
>> Linux "advocates" are always happy to mention the fact that USB3 was
>> first supported by Linux but it's pointless if other implementations,
>> like sleep and wake, don't work properly even two decades after they
>> first appeared on computers.
>
> ACPI is less of a problem with Linux than it used to be. My last 3
> laptops, all Lenovo, have been fine. I realize other brands are not so
> Linux friendly and yes, it /is/ a Linux problem because when it works
> with Windows and does not work with Linux that is the conclusion the
> user will reach.

I will be the first to admit that it seems to be getting better but it
has done so very slowly. I would have liked to see this problem as a
priority for Linux developers.
A lot of people think that Microsoft's forced updates are going to
convince people to go to Linux but so far, it hasn't been the case at
all and the update system has been seamless. Before they are deployed at
the enterprise, they are tested like crazy and since they don't really
bother the user, they haven't been much of an issue at all. Compare this
to the nightmare most Linux users face when they first install the
operating system and ask yourself whether people will truly be tempted
to move in that direction especially when they don't actually have the
patience to find ways to fix their problems.

--

Silver Slimer

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On 2016-10-20 9:29 AM, Marek Novotny wrote:

> If they're so happy with Windows why are they in here? They just
> can't escape the reality which is that they are here in a Linux group,
> trolling. Everything you see and respond to is merely there bullshit
> justification for being in here. It's all bullshit. The real reason
> they're in here is that they are sad losers. They know it and we know
> it.

Because Linux has robbed us of our precious time in some cases and our
dignity in others. As a result, we feel the need to prevent others from
venturing onto the same road and making the mistake of giving the
operating system a chance.

Seriously though, we all came here with an interest in Linux. Along the
way, we met decent people who we want to keep communicating with like
Greycloud or DFS. Kind, wonderful, well-spoken people.

--

Marek Novotny

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Oct 20, 2016, 10:21:16 AM10/20/16
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On 2016-10-20, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
> A lot of people think that Microsoft's forced updates are going to
> convince people to go to Linux but so far, it hasn't been the case at
> all and the update system has been seamless. Before they are deployed at
> the enterprise, they are tested like crazy and since they don't really
> bother the user, they haven't been much of an issue at all. Compare this
> to the nightmare most Linux users face when they first install the
> operating system and ask yourself whether people will truly be tempted
> to move in that direction especially when they don't actually have the
> patience to find ways to fix their problems.

Nope. You trolls are the ones who think that. We use Linux simply
because we like UNIX/Linux. It is you and other trolls who constantly
pit Windows against Linux and talk about how our share can improve if we
only did x or y. None of us give a damn what you use.

Marek Novotny

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On 2016-10-20, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Oh you're serious...

Silver Slimer

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So filter me and fuck off.

chrisv

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> slime wrote:
>>
>> Compare this
>> to the nightmare most Linux users face when they first install the
>> operating system

LOL What a fscking liar.

Most Linux installations are very easy, actually. Installing Windows
is generally no easier, but, fortunately for non-technical users, is
done for you.

--
"If the advocates had their way, they'd indeed force the world to
install GNU/Linux at gunpoint." - "Slimer", lying shamelessly

Marek Novotny

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Ah, don't be a dick. I'm just pointing out the large hole in your pussy
argument.

DFS

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kudos!




Jim Polaski

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Oct 20, 2016, 10:40:53 AM10/20/16
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On 2016-10-20, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
> On 2016-10-20 9:29 AM, Marek Novotny wrote:
>
>> If they're so happy with Windows why are they in here? They just
>> can't escape the reality which is that they are here in a Linux group,
>> trolling. Everything you see and respond to is merely there bullshit
>> justification for being in here. It's all bullshit. The real reason
>> they're in here is that they are sad losers. They know it and we know
>> it.
>
> Because Linux has robbed us of our precious time in some cases and our
> dignity in others. As a result, we feel the need to prevent others from
> venturing onto the same road and making the mistake of giving the
> operating system a chance.

Linux certainly won't appeal to everyone. From my experience, Linux is a
great alternative for two very different types of people.

1. The person who has basic needs, doesn't upgrade hardware often and
just wants to do the typical surfing, email, basic multimedia, photos
and things like that.
Think grandma, mom and dad communicating with the kids and so forth.
Linux really is a set it and forget it system and the added security is
great for folks who have no idea how dangerous the web can be.

2. The tinkerer who wants to learn about computers, software and wants
to have complete control over every aspect of the operating system and
it's associated programs and doesn't have a problem modifying the system
and recovering when he screws up. That last one is for me :)


> Seriously though, we all came here with an interest in Linux. Along the
> way, we met decent people who we want to keep communicating with like
> Greycloud or DFS. Kind, wonderful, well-spoken people.

Yes.
And all of us were met with suspicious, paranoid, and in some cases
nasty people who attacked or at least made accusations as to who they
thought we were, from the very first post.

Eventually though, the Linux Cabal finds some minor post of ours that
they disagree with and the massive mob attack based upon pure
speculation and zero facts begins.

And finally, when we defend ourselves, the Linux Cabal claims victory as
in "see, they were trolls all along".

There is something in the water in this group and it's making people not
right in the head.


Jim Polaski

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On 2016-10-20, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
> On 2016-10-20 8:22 AM, Jim Polaski wrote:
>> On 2016-10-19, Deplorable Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>>> On 2016-10-19 4:38 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>> On 2016-10-19, Deplorable Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>>>> I don't blame them
>>>>> though; Linux is so far behind in terms of technology that talking to
>>>>> its users about such a topic would be like an English speaker
>>>>> communicating with someone who only speaks Aramaic.
>>>>>
>>>> Hm, in what ways is Linux behind technology?
>>>
>>> When even ACPI isn't properly done, you know that you have a problem.
>>> Linux "advocates" are always happy to mention the fact that USB3 was
>>> first supported by Linux but it's pointless if other implementations,
>>> like sleep and wake, don't work properly even two decades after they
>>> first appeared on computers.
>>
>> ACPI is less of a problem with Linux than it used to be. My last 3
>> laptops, all Lenovo, have been fine. I realize other brands are not so
>> Linux friendly and yes, it /is/ a Linux problem because when it works
>> with Windows and does not work with Linux that is the conclusion the
>> user will reach.
>
> I will be the first to admit that it seems to be getting better but it
> has done so very slowly. I would have liked to see this problem as a
> priority for Linux developers.

Coding yet another text editor seems to be tops on the Linux developers
lists.


> A lot of people think that Microsoft's forced updates are going to
> convince people to go to Linux but so far, it hasn't been the case at
> all and the update system has been seamless. Before they are deployed at
> the enterprise, they are tested like crazy and since they don't really
> bother the user, they haven't been much of an issue at all. Compare this
> to the nightmare most Linux users face when they first install the
> operating system and ask yourself whether people will truly be tempted
> to move in that direction especially when they don't actually have the
> patience to find ways to fix their problems.

The enterprise level can turn them off via group policy edits.
I agree that Linux isn't seeing any great uptake in use because
Microsoft is going off the rails.
Apple is though.
At least that is what I am seeing and hearing. I see more Macbooks in
the wild then I have ever seen.

Jim Polaski

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Oct 20, 2016, 10:45:26 AM10/20/16
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Right.
They never will though.
They claim -99999 / plonk and then continue to talk about us.
It just demonstrates the dishonesty of the Linux advocates.
It also demonstrates how they are unable to debate our points so they
run away.

Jim Polaski

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Oct 20, 2016, 10:46:24 AM10/20/16
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On 2016-10-20, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> slime wrote:
>>>
>>> Compare this
>>> to the nightmare most Linux users face when they first install the
>>> operating system
>
> LOL What a fscking liar.
>
> Most Linux installations are very easy, actually. Installing Windows
> is generally no easier, but, fortunately for non-technical users, is
> done for you.

Installation is easy.
The real fun starts when the user tries to make Linux actually work.
I've seen it many times.

Marek Novotny

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Oct 20, 2016, 10:49:17 AM10/20/16
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Translation: You're too stupid to install Ubuntu... HAHAHHAHAHA

DFS

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On 10/20/2016 9:39 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:

> A lot of people think that Microsoft's forced updates are going to
> convince people to go to Linux but so far, it hasn't been the case at
> all


Not only are people not moving to Linux - why would they? - Windows has
dominated the best seller and most wished for software lists on
Amazon.com for years.


Right now, in the Top 10:

Win10 holds positions 1,4 and 10:
https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-software/zgbs/software

Win10 holds positions 1,2, and 3:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/most-wished-for/software



MS is doomed.



Marek Novotny

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Oct 20, 2016, 10:50:40 AM10/20/16
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On 2016-10-20, Jim Polaski <jpol...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
Well, you have to an IQ above moron to work with Linux. Guess you and
those around you are morons.

Jim Polaski

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But I'm smart enough to install and use the Linux version of slrn.
Your logic is faulty.
And you blaming the user is a classic tactic of the Linux community who
for some oddball reason see themselves as superior to mere mortal
computer users who choose a different OS. That would be about 90 percent
of the computer users BTW. But who's counting?

Jim Polaski

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Oct 20, 2016, 11:12:31 AM10/20/16
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On 2016-10-20, Marek Novotny <marek....@marspolar.com> wrote:
Classic Linux tactic: blame the user.

Jim Polaski

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Oct 20, 2016, 11:15:40 AM10/20/16
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If being free hasn't caused Linux to gain traction it's doubtful there
is anything the Linux community or Linux can do in order to convince
people to use Linux.

Over it's lifetime Linux has had many opportunities to capitalize on
Microsoft's mistakes and it has been unable to.

Anyone remember Microsoft WinME?
Bob?
Windows 8?
etc.

The truth is people would rather pay for Windows or OSX/Apple then use
free Linux.
Unlike the Linux advocates, the numbers don't lie.

William Poaster

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Oct 20, 2016, 11:35:05 AM10/20/16
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On 20/10/2016 15:23 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, Marek Novotny posted:
Yeah, riiiight. And if anyone actually believes this, I have a bridge
for sale......

> HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Hilarious, isn't it! LOL

> Oh you're serious...

Maybe he should try installing these:-
https://opensource.com/education/14/1/teaching-kids-linux

Oh, wait a moment, he's probably not *that* intelligent.

--

What IS remarkable, is that a well developed ape has come
to realise that he lives on a planet, circling a sun, in a
planetary system, within a galaxy, within a universe.
- Professor Michio Kaku - Theoretical Physicist -

Silver Slimer

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Oct 20, 2016, 12:05:45 PM10/20/16
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So if you want to keep talking to me, stop pointing out what you
consider to be "wrong" with the way that I communicate.

Silver Slimer

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On 2016-10-20 10:40 AM, Jim Polaski wrote:
> On 2016-10-20, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>> On 2016-10-20 9:29 AM, Marek Novotny wrote:
>>
>>> If they're so happy with Windows why are they in here? They just
>>> can't escape the reality which is that they are here in a Linux group,
>>> trolling. Everything you see and respond to is merely there bullshit
>>> justification for being in here. It's all bullshit. The real reason
>>> they're in here is that they are sad losers. They know it and we know
>>> it.
>>
>> Because Linux has robbed us of our precious time in some cases and our
>> dignity in others. As a result, we feel the need to prevent others from
>> venturing onto the same road and making the mistake of giving the
>> operating system a chance.
>
> Linux certainly won't appeal to everyone. From my experience, Linux is a
> great alternative for two very different types of people.
>
> 1. The person who has basic needs, doesn't upgrade hardware often and
> just wants to do the typical surfing, email, basic multimedia, photos
> and things like that.
> Think grandma, mom and dad communicating with the kids and so forth.
> Linux really is a set it and forget it system and the added security is
> great for folks who have no idea how dangerous the web can be.

Linux is excellent for that. In fact, it's the default system I install
for people whose needs are minimal or who want to give a second life to
old hardware.

> 2. The tinkerer who wants to learn about computers, software and wants
> to have complete control over every aspect of the operating system and
> it's associated programs and doesn't have a problem modifying the system
> and recovering when he screws up. That last one is for me :)

I don't mind doing that to an extent but I hate being in a situation
where I was sure I had configured everything and that everything worked
properly only to have my work undone because of an update.

>> Seriously though, we all came here with an interest in Linux. Along the
>> way, we met decent people who we want to keep communicating with like
>> Greycloud or DFS. Kind, wonderful, well-spoken people.
>
> Yes.
> And all of us were met with suspicious, paranoid, and in some cases
> nasty people who attacked or at least made accusations as to who they
> thought we were, from the very first post.
>
> Eventually though, the Linux Cabal finds some minor post of ours that
> they disagree with and the massive mob attack based upon pure
> speculation and zero facts begins.
>
> And finally, when we defend ourselves, the Linux Cabal claims victory as
> in "see, they were trolls all along".
>
> There is something in the water in this group and it's making people not
> right in the head.

You have a Humpty Dumpty-like janitor, a closet homosexual, a creepy
German clown who is unable to smile, a man-hating purple-haired rhino, a
transsexual and disgustingly fat guy who lives with his mom and invents
devices which don't work amongst the "advocates." Great company to say
the least.

Silver Slimer

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Oct 20, 2016, 12:15:46 PM10/20/16
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There's like hundreds and apparently none are ever good enough.

>> A lot of people think that Microsoft's forced updates are going to
>> convince people to go to Linux but so far, it hasn't been the case at
>> all and the update system has been seamless. Before they are deployed at
>> the enterprise, they are tested like crazy and since they don't really
>> bother the user, they haven't been much of an issue at all. Compare this
>> to the nightmare most Linux users face when they first install the
>> operating system and ask yourself whether people will truly be tempted
>> to move in that direction especially when they don't actually have the
>> patience to find ways to fix their problems.
>
> The enterprise level can turn them off via group policy edits.
> I agree that Linux isn't seeing any great uptake in use because
> Microsoft is going off the rails.
> Apple is though.
> At least that is what I am seeing and hearing. I see more Macbooks in
> the wild then I have ever seen.

Because people are buying into the Apple hype. Mind you, they're very
consistent with their products and I can't help but feel that they
deserve their success. Their music store is the only one which still
allows you to download _every_ song you might have purchased since day 1
and that's a great feeling.

Silver Slimer

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Oct 20, 2016, 12:16:39 PM10/20/16
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There was hope for Marek but it's sad to see that he decided he would
rather be high-fived by Wideload Porkster or get the inevitable blow job
from Cunt Ahlstrom than be a regular, rational human being.

Marek Novotny

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Oct 20, 2016, 12:28:02 PM10/20/16
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I doubt they even try Linux at all. They just like trolling because
their assholes. It's nothing deeper than that.

DFS

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Oct 20, 2016, 12:50:58 PM10/20/16
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On 10/20/2016 12:27 PM, Marek Novotny wrote:


> They just like trolling because their assholes.


And you have the nerve to refer to us as "morons"?

Jim Polaski

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On 2016-10-20, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
I think you are getting under his skin :)

Jim Polaski

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It sounds like a sideshow in a broken down carnival.

Jim Polaski

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Oct 20, 2016, 1:26:50 PM10/20/16
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It baffles me that's for sure.
Seems like a waste of time when there are better things to do.


>>> A lot of people think that Microsoft's forced updates are going to
>>> convince people to go to Linux but so far, it hasn't been the case at
>>> all and the update system has been seamless. Before they are deployed at
>>> the enterprise, they are tested like crazy and since they don't really
>>> bother the user, they haven't been much of an issue at all. Compare this
>>> to the nightmare most Linux users face when they first install the
>>> operating system and ask yourself whether people will truly be tempted
>>> to move in that direction especially when they don't actually have the
>>> patience to find ways to fix their problems.
>>
>> The enterprise level can turn them off via group policy edits.
>> I agree that Linux isn't seeing any great uptake in use because
>> Microsoft is going off the rails.
>> Apple is though.
>> At least that is what I am seeing and hearing. I see more Macbooks in
>> the wild then I have ever seen.
>
> Because people are buying into the Apple hype. Mind you, they're very
> consistent with their products and I can't help but feel that they
> deserve their success. Their music store is the only one which still
> allows you to download _every_ song you might have purchased since day 1
> and that's a great feeling.

I left Apple back before OSX. I had one of the original iMacs. A blue
one in fact. It ran fine along side my Windows machines. I still have it
packed away in the garage somewhere.

GreyCloud

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Oct 20, 2016, 2:01:41 PM10/20/16
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chrisv wrote:

>> slime wrote:
>>>
>>> Compare this
>>> to the nightmare most Linux users face when they first install the
>>> operating system
>
> LOL What a fscking liar.
>
> Most Linux installations are very easy, actually. Installing Windows
> is generally no easier, but, fortunately for non-technical users, is
> done for you.
>
Then why don't you run linux then, turdv?

GreyCloud

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Oct 20, 2016, 2:04:25 PM10/20/16
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You should see some of the gripes about Xcode 8 lately.
It's a mess right now, and the developers are trying to get back to XCode 7.
If Apple would only test this stuff before releasing it. All it does is make it
harder for the developers to come out with their product if not putting them
behind schedule.

Silver Slimer

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Oct 20, 2016, 2:08:34 PM10/20/16
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Using Linux has already started to rot his brain.

Jim Polaski

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Oct 20, 2016, 3:00:07 PM10/20/16
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That is true.
Apple really screwed up bad with El Capitan from what I have heard. Many
people had compatibility problems with software applications and it took
Apple months to straighten things out.

I'm a bit removed from the Apple world, but from where I sit the company
has not been the same since Jobs died.

GreyCloud

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Oct 20, 2016, 3:53:31 PM10/20/16
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I bet Jobs would've screamed at his dummy engineers about now over El Capitan.
Just like he did over the first iPhone when he asked if the phone is supposed to
do this... and then he screamed "Why the hell doesn't it work then?"
He damn near fired the guy.

Silver Slimer

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Oct 20, 2016, 4:38:04 PM10/20/16
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Back then it was nice to see a company doing something different so
Apple gained lots of points for not being another beige machine with an
OS. However, being different doesn't amount for much anymore if the
inner product is complete crap. They offer a nice OS for anyone who
wants to get the job done but it is incredibly limiting in terms of
performance as a result of Apple's inability to optimize _anything_ .

Silver Slimer

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Oct 20, 2016, 4:41:51 PM10/20/16
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His "I like Forte Agent" excuse is a poor one. Even if you're used to
it, you won't prevent yourself from using a native application in your
OS of choice as an extension to the resistance you might have to
learning a new program. The reality is that chrisv is exactly the kind
of hypocrite we've said that she is and most likely a purple-haired
feminist cow like I suggested.

Jim Polaski

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Oct 20, 2016, 4:50:09 PM10/20/16
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On 2016-10-20, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
It's the COLA Cabal double standard.
I use slrn under LinuxMint and I get accused of faking headers.
If I used Forte Agent the Cabal would use that as an excuse to attack me
as well yet a foul, angry Cabal member, chrisv, doesn't seem to even use
Linux and the Cabal looks the other way.

I'm starting to wonder if it's a disease?

Melzzzzz

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Oct 20, 2016, 4:50:58 PM10/20/16
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On 2016-10-20, Jim Polaski <jpol...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> I'm starting to wonder if it's a disease?
>
Flatfish?

--
press any key to continue or any other to quit

Silver Slimer

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Oct 20, 2016, 4:58:19 PM10/20/16
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They probably drank a crapload of fluoride.

Jim Polaski

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Oct 20, 2016, 5:20:29 PM10/20/16
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On 2016-10-20, Melzzzzz <Melz...@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> On 2016-10-20, Jim Polaski <jpol...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'm starting to wonder if it's a disease?
>>
> Flatfish?

No sir.

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