On 2016-10-19 5:07 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On 2016-10-19, Deplorable Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>> On 2016-10-19 4:38 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>> On 2016-10-19, Deplorable Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>>> I don't blame them
>>>> though; Linux is so far behind in terms of technology that talking to
>>>> its users about such a topic would be like an English speaker
>>>> communicating with someone who only speaks Aramaic.
>>>>
>>> Hm, in what ways is Linux behind technology?
>>
>> When even ACPI isn't properly done, you know that you have a problem.
>
> It's not a problem of Linux, usually. Non standard BIOS'es and their bugs...
It worked right for sleep/wake on this MSI, but not for shutdown (not
every time anyway). It didn't work at all on my older Sony unless I
added a line to GRUB. I could get it working, but these workarounds
would confuse a regular, undetermined user.
>> Linux "advocates" are always happy to mention the fact that USB3 was
>> first supported by Linux but it's pointless if other implementations,
>> like sleep and wake, don't work properly even two decades after they
>> first appeared on computers.
>
> Sleep and wake are notoriously difficult features to implement, depending on
> lot of factors. eg flaky GPU driver can cause all sort of problems.
Yeah, I can imagine. Windows had problems implementing it properly when
XP came out and it was much worse before XP's release. However, that was
back in 2001 and since then sleep/wake work wonderfully on every system
Windows is installed on. Why can't Linux get it right in 2016?
>>> I thought that Windows heavily lags behind, so OSX as well.
>>> eg zswap is only recently added to Windows 10...
>>> also Windows support for huge pages is flaky:
>>>
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366720(v=vs.85).aspx
>>> Linux has transparent huge pages support while Windows does not.
>>
>> I'll be the first to say that I love transparency in software and would
>> advocate that forever. Hell, I'm still strongly in favour of government
>> institutions and schools using open-source _exclusively_. However, I
>> know that the resistance by government to do such a thing has a lot to
>> do with how inconsistent open-source projects routinely are and how
>> flaky the hardware support was. In fact, I asked one of the main techs
>> at my school board why Linux hasn't been implemented across the board
>> and he mentioned that they tried it but that it ended up being a
>> complete nightmare because problems arose on an almost daily basis.
>
> I hardly believe so. Students and scientists are ones mainly writing open
> source projects. Lot of research projects have first class support on Linux
> but only second hand on Windows. Perhaps, thing is that there are not many
> Linux sys admins out there, but problems? My father and mother are 77 and 68
> and they don't have any problems with Linux. Only time I have to do
> something is to perform update once in 3 months...
Considering how many problems my mom has with OS X, I can't imagine
trying to get her to use Linux. Mind you, that was the first OS they
ever used (Lindows) and it didn't work very well for them at all.
>> Cue insults by hypochrisv and Cunt Ahlstrom, Peter the Klöwn calling me
>> and the techs dimbulbs and the eventual +1 by Humpty Dumpty Wideload
>> Porkster.
>>
> Thing is that techs are not well educated to use and maintain anything else
> but Windows, so using Linux has problems on daily basis...
These techs knew what they needed to know about Linux, it just didn't
cooperate with them.