I suppose it is up to us to post some content and scroll down the sabotagers
Ramon F Herrera
Hmm, let's see. What is this NG about? Linux?
I really don't have much to say about Linux. But let's talk about
Larry Page and Sergey Brin, the Google kids.
Do they read Google groups?
Hey, Larry and Sergey! Let me just tell you that we, the folks that
drive the Usenet traffic that you cherish so much are getting more
than a little sick and tired of those MI-5 Persecution postings.
Mind you: I am concerned about those poor fellows that have been
(tortured? prosecuted? castrated?) Gosh, for some reason I am worried
about their wifes and kids.
But not for them.
I frankly feel that they should be branded like cattle.
And, Larry & Sergey: you are not too high on my list either.
Let's just hope that 2008 brings better, actual content to Google/and
Usenet Groups, wunderkinds.
-Ramon F Herrera
Roy Schestowitz
You ought to see what G2 has caused to other NGs and the responses that come.
The Google Groups team is too vain to respond to the issue and NGs are dying
as a result (the participants walk away).
As someone said a couple of years ago in a different NG, Google could use some
toppling. A couple of weeks ago a friend told me about the disease Google is
taking upon it by employing former Microsoft employees. They inherit the same
poison. He said they need some kind of cool-off period.
Also see:
Google Goes Globe-Trotting
,----[ Quoet ]
| "Google is so different that it was almost impossible to reprogram them into
| this culture," says CEO Eric Schmidt.
`----
http://www.newsweek.com/id/67919
,----[ Quote ]
| Microsoft has warned Google to steer clear of corporate search,
| declaring that the market is "our house"....
|
| "Those people are not going to be allowed to take food off our plate,
| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| because that is what they are intending to do."
`----
http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2160431/microsoft-warns-google-business
--
~~ Best of wishes
everytime you say things like this i just think of that cult of people
who send around .doc files. i dont want to communicate with people who
talk in .doc format, but they do not wish to use something else, so
they discredit those without word. --Ed, c.o.l.a.
ra...@patriot.net
> ____/ Ramon F Herrera on Tuesday 01 January 2008 09:39 : \____
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hmm, let's see. What is this NG about? Linux?
>
> > I really don't have much to say about Linux. But let's talk about
> > Larry Page and Sergey Brin, the Google kids.
>
> > Do they read Google groups?
>
> > Hey, Larry and Sergey! Let me just tell you that we, the folks that
> > drive the Usenet traffic that you cherish so much are getting more
> > than a little sick and tired of those MI-5 Persecution postings.
>
> > Mind you: I am concerned about those poor fellows that have been
> > (tortured? prosecuted? castrated?) Gosh, for some reason I am worried
> > about their wifes and kids.
>
> > But not for them.
>
> > I frankly feel that they should be branded like cattle.
>
> > And, Larry & Sergey: you are not too high on my list either.
>
> > Let's just hope that 2008 brings better, actual content to Google/and
> > Usenet Groups, wunderkinds.
>
> > -Ramon F Herrera
>
> You ought to see what G2 has caused to other NGs and the responses that come.
> The Google Groups team is too vain to respond to the issue and NGs are dying
> as a result (the participants walk away).
>
G2!? Are you talking about the Cuban G2?
I have enough trouble encrypting and trying to get away from them here
in Venezuela. Are they also in Usenet!!??
-Ramon
ra...@patriot.net
Hmm, let's see. What is this NG about? Cisco?
I really don't have much to say about Cisco. But let's talk about
Larry Page and Sergey Brin, the Google kids.
Do they read Google groups?
Hey, Larry and Sergey! Let me just tell you that we, the folks that
drive the Usenet traffic that you cherish so much are getting more
than a little sick and tired of those MI-5 Persecution postings.
Mind you: I am concerned about those poor fellows that have been
(tortured? prosecuted? castrated?) by MI-5. Gosh, for some reason I am
worried about their wifes and kids.
But not for them.
I frankly feel that they should be branded like cattle.
And, Larry & Sergey: you are not too high on my list either.
Let's just hope that 2008 brings better, actual content to Google/and
Usenet Groups, wunderkinds.
-Ramon F Herrera
ps: I wonder whether the NYT is aware of what's going on in Usenet
under Google's laissez faire guidance...
Thufir
> You ought to see what G2 has caused to other NGs and the responses that
> come. The Google Groups team is too vain to respond to the issue and NGs
> are dying as a result (the participants walk away).
>
> As someone said a couple of years ago in a different NG, Google could
> use some toppling. A couple of weeks ago a friend told me about the
> disease Google is taking upon it by employing former Microsoft
> employees. They inherit the same poison. He said they need some kind of
> cool-off period.
Ironically, or perhaps (sinisterly) not ironically, e-mail lists hosted
by google are ok. USENET, per se, may just die -- but the NNTP protocol
lives on at gmane.org.
I like the convenience of being able to post to usenet from my google
account, which, really, is no different then deja-vu aside from being
with a different company.
-Thufir
RamonFHerrera
I am very familiar with the situation. Some lowly Google employees are
in charge of the situation. They feel like God, but then again, they
tremble when they hear that the boss of the boss of the boss of their
boss says the minimum thing, and start shaking like chicken.
-Ramon
Matt
> ps: I wonder whether the NYT is aware of what's going on in Usenet
> under Google's laissez faire guidance...
In what sense is Google guiding Usenet or failing to guide it as they
should?
High Plains Thumper
>
> Google Goes Globe-Trotting
>
> ,----[ Quoet ]
>> "Google is so different that it was almost impossible to
>> reprogram them into this culture," says CEO Eric Schmidt.
> `----
>
> http://www.newsweek.com/id/67919
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
>> Microsoft has warned Google to steer clear of corporate
>> search, declaring that the market is "our house"....
>>
>> "Those people are not going to be allowed to take food off
> `----
>
> http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2160431/microsoft-warns-google-business
Such talk is only an indication of continued predatory practises.
Microsoft sees Google as a threat to its monopoly.
Seeing the troll responses in this NG indicates to me that they
do not want to see Linux take food off the plate of Microsoft. I
want to see Linux not only take the main dish, but the desserts, too.
--
HPT
Linonut
> As someone said a couple of years ago in a different NG, Google could use some
> toppling. A couple of weeks ago a friend told me about the disease Google is
> taking upon it by employing former Microsoft employees. They inherit the same
> poison. He said they need some kind of cool-off period.
An interesting point. Like hiring mercenaries at a nunnery?
> everytime you say things like this i just think of that cult of people
> who send around .doc files. i dont want to communicate with people who
> talk in .doc format, but they do not wish to use something else, so
> they discredit those without word.
Just start sending them interesting content in .odt files. Good excuse
to tell them about OO. If they don't care, just keep at it.
--
Tux rox!
Roy Schestowitz
They should at least respond to complaints (they don't). In some NGs, about 90%
is pure SPAM posted via Google Groups. This renders such groups useless and
there's no way to filter other than to drop everything which arrives from
Google's servers.
--
~~ Best of wishes
Roy S. Schestowitz
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16:05:02 up 22 days, 4:53, 4 users, load average: 1.46, 1.64, 1.73
http://iuron.com - Open Source knowledge engine project
Roy Schestowitz
*LOL* I think Google Groups refers to its USENET software as G2. GG -> G2. Ask
them about it. Maybe they'll get off their high horse, descend from the throne
and throw you an automated E-mail that explains this.
--
~~ Best of wishes
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.oʍʇ ɐ ʍɐs ı ʇɥbnoɥʇ ı puɐ ...ǝɹǝɥʍʎɹǝʌǝ soɹǝz puɐ sǝuo .ɯɐǝɹp 1nɟʍɐ uɐ
ʇɐɥʍ 'ɥɥɥɐ :ɹǝpuǝq
tha...@tux.glaci.delete-this.com
I was wondering the same thing. Usenet has always been a
decentralized, somewhat anarchistic system. Abuse has always been
a side effect of that, but so has uncensored discourse.
Thad
--
Yeah, I drank the Open Source cool-aid... Unlike the other brand, it had
all the ingredients on the label.
Barry Margolin
<dfb3eff3-fc27-4428...@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
ra...@patriot.net wrote:
> Hmm, let's see. What is this NG about? Cisco?
>
> I really don't have much to say about Cisco. But let's talk about
> Larry Page and Sergey Brin, the Google kids.
>
> Do they read Google groups?
Hey idiot, are you going to post this in every group? That's almost as
bad as the MI-5 spammers.
At least that stuff is obvious garbage, but you're just totally
confused. You have the relationship between Usenet and Google backwards.
--
Barry Margolin, bar...@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
*** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group ***
Tim Smith
Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
> everytime you say things like this i just think of that cult of people
> who send around .doc files. i dont want to communicate with people who
> talk in .doc format, but they do not wish to use something else, so
> they discredit those without word. --Ed, c.o.l.a.
Someone should tell him about OpenOffice. It can read .doc files fine.
(Or did I get my calendar mixed up, and this is a "nothing can read
.doc" week? It's hard to keep up with the flip-flopping on this...)
--
--Tim Smith
Linonut
I've found reading to be okay. Except I did experience some problems
with 64-bit OO, where paging down a Word document would crash OO.
Probably a binary data type not yet handled correctly with 64-bit code.
As for the flip-flopping about the reading, I don't get you. Is there
one person who keeps going back and forth on this issue?
--
GNU/Linux rox, Tux!
Ramon F Herrera
> In article <5248752.XohuQhI...@schestowitz.com>,
> Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>
> > everytime you say things like this i just think of that cult of people
> > who send around .doc files. i dont want to communicate with people who
> > talk in .doc format, but they do not wish to use something else, so
> > they discredit those without word. --Ed, c.o.l.a.
>
> Someone should tell him about OpenOffice. It can read .doc files fine.
> (Or did I get my calendar mixed up, and this is a "nothing can read
> .doc" week? It's hard to keep up with the flip-flopping on this...)
>
> --
> --Tim Smith
Tim:
There is a huge upcoming, worldwide job. The task will be to convert
those billions traditional Office documents (*.doc, *.xls) to the
newer open standards.
Microsoft vehemently refuses to disclose the official non-XML Office
format specs, and therefore any app that can (or try) to deal with
such formats has done it through reverse engineering and guessing, and
it is therefore subject to Microsoft's wrath and litigation threats.
Where is Neely Kroes when you need her?
-Ramon
High Plains Thumper
> Tim Smith reply:
>
>> Someone should tell him about OpenOffice. It can read .doc files fine.
>> (Or did I get my calendar mixed up, and this is a "nothing can read
>> .doc" week? It's hard to keep up with the flip-flopping on this...)
<SNIP>
> As for the flip-flopping about the reading, I don't get you. Is there
> one person who keeps going back and forth on this issue?
It is under your nose, look at whom you are replying to.
--
HPT
Tim Smith
Linonut <lin...@bollsouth.nut> wrote:
> As for the flip-flopping about the reading, I don't get you. Is there
> one person who keeps going back and forth on this issue?
Roy's been back and forth a few times. If he's trying to argue that you
can ditch Windows for Linux, then OpenOffice and other Linux apps read
and write .doc files great, so you'll have no trouble with your
coworkers who refuse to see the light and stick with Windows. But if
someone (especially a government entity) publishes something in .doc
format, then they are forcing people to use Microsoft products, because
they are the only things that can read .doc.
Apparently, the ability of open source programs to deal with .doc is in
a state of flux, and always happens to be at any given time just what
will fit best with whatever argument he's trying to make. :-)
--
--Tim Smith
Ramon F Herrera
> Matt <m...@themattfella.zzzz.com> wrote:
> > ra...@patriot.net wrote:
>
> >> ps: I wonder whether the NYT is aware of what's going on in Usenet
> >> under Google's laissez faire guidance...
>
> > In what sense is Google guiding Usenet or failing to guide it as they
> > should?
>
> I was wondering the same thing. Usenet has always been a
> decentralized, somewhat anarchistic system. Abuse has always been
> a side effect of that, but so has uncensored discourse.
>
Anarchism is one thing. Lack of self preservation is another.
-Ramon
Ramon F Herrera
> In article
> <dfb3eff3-fc27-4428-92ec-1763af702...@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> ra...@patriot.net wrote:
> > Hmm, let's see. What is this NG about? Cisco?
>
> > I really don't have much to say about Cisco. But let's talk about
> > Larry Page and Sergey Brin, the Google kids.
>
> > Do they read Google groups?
>
> Hey idiot, are you going to post this in every group?
Nope. Only in the NGs I care about, Barry.
-Ramon
Bob Hauck
<reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> Roy's been back and forth a few times. If he's trying to argue that
> you can ditch Windows for Linux, then OpenOffice and other Linux apps
> read and write .doc files great, so you'll have no trouble with your
> coworkers who refuse to see the light and stick with Windows. But if
> someone (especially a government entity) publishes something in .doc
> format, then they are forcing people to use Microsoft products,
> because they are the only things that can read .doc.
I can't speak for Roy in particular, but I think the actual argument is
more along the lines of it being bad form for a government to publish
things in a proprietary format, even if somebody has managed to figure
out how to read and write the current version of that format.
For the record, you haven't been all that consistent either. On the one
hand you've worried extensively about the costs of dealing with
documents that do not convert perfectly between DOC and ODF. On the
other you're now saying that OOo reads DOC format well enough that it
does not matter if the government uses it for public documents.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| http://www.haucks.org/
amicus_curious
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once they set their minds to it. It is like the ketchup that they used to
buy for the armed forces. They didn't want any proprietary influence, so
they created a ketchup formula that didn't match anything that was
commercially available and any prospective supplier had to reformulate a
special product to comply. A lot like ODF. It tasted terrible. A lot like
ODF. Eventually they received enough complaints about the situation and
dropped the policy and went back to Heinz.
Tilman Schmidt
>
> Anarchism is one thing. Lack of self preservation is another.
Death of Usenet predicted. MPEG at 11.
SCNR, FU2P
--
Please excuse my bad English/German/French/Greek/Cantonese/Klingon/...
Bob Hauck
> I remember from my Navy days that the government will always screw
> things up once they set their minds to it.
That's certainly not specific to the government. Just look at GM or
the mortgage industry.
Likewise, the government does not always screw up either. I heard
somewhere that going to the moon was in fact a government program.
amicus_curious
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the time.