Google's own Android phone the next iPhone?
Dave U. Random
I personally think Google's doing a good job releasing it's own Android
phone. The problem with hardware vendors is that they don't want their
product to look like the next vendor's, so they start differentiating
leading to fragmentation. Already developers are complaining about
differences in Android phones which lead to software incompatibilities
thereby diminishing the advantages of a single platform. This could
spell the death of Android so Google is taking Apple's road by
introducing the One and Only Android Phone tentatively called the Nexus
One.
And Google seems to have learned from Apple's mistakes since the
Android phone will be sold without a contract. Apple's bundling deals
with network operators limited their sales, since many users didn't
want to be wedded to AT&T's inferior network. With Google's Nexus One
consumers will have a choice. They can pay extra and use the phone on
the network of their choosing.
One Shot, One Kill
"Dave U. Random" <anon...@anonymitaet-im-inter.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7648/1.html
>
and the google phone will come with that awesome early 1990's GSM
technology. it's about as innovative as a 15" crt monitor.
Hadron
> http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7648/1.html
>
> I personally think Google's doing a good job releasing it's own Android
> phone. The problem with hardware vendors is that they don't want their
> product to look like the next vendor's, so they start differentiating
> leading to fragmentation. Already developers are complaining about
> differences in Android phones which lead to software incompatibilities
> thereby diminishing the advantages of a single platform. This could
> spell the death of Android so Google is taking Apple's road by
> introducing the One and Only Android Phone tentatively called the Nexus
> One.
>
> And Google seems to have learned from Apple's mistake
LOL! Only on COLA .....
Ian Hilliard
Nexus supports the UMTS 3G standard as used by AT&T.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10415222-94.html
Ian
Ian Hilliard
Oops, as used by T-Mobile (Deutsche Telekom).
Ian
One Shot, One Kill
"Ian Hilliard" <nos...@hilliardtech.com> wrote in message
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big deal. it's still nothing but a bunch of vapourware.
Hadron
Is it an open moko killer?
The fact is that the buying public dont give a shit about it being
OSS. The iPhone is open enough for them : as all the millionaires it has
made proves.
Ian Hilliard
> "Ian Hilliard" <nos...@hilliardtech.com> wrote in message
> news:4b2a...@news.x-privat.org...
>> Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>> One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>>>> "Dave U. Random" <anon...@anonymitaet-im-inter.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:b918d6562edea381...@anonymitaet-im-inter.net...
>>>>> http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7648/1.html
>>>>>
>>>> and the google phone will come with that awesome early 1990's GSM
>>>> technology. it's about as innovative as a 15" crt monitor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If you had bothered to follow the link, you would have seen that the
>>> Nexus supports the UMTS 3G standard as used by AT&T.
>>>
>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10415222-94.html
>>>
>>> Ian
>> Oops, as used by T-Mobile (Deutsche Telekom).
>>
>
> big deal. it's still nothing but a bunch of vapourware.
>
>
>
won't have the same following. Still, this does not mean that it won't
be a nicer phone to use than the iPhone, given that HTC already make
some very nice Android phones.
Ian
Hadron
> One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>> "Ian Hilliard" <nos...@hilliardtech.com> wrote in message
>> news:4b2a...@news.x-privat.org...
>>> Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>>> One Shot, One Kill wrote:
>>>>> "Dave U. Random" <anon...@anonymitaet-im-inter.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:b918d6562edea381...@anonymitaet-im-inter.net...
>>>>>> http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7648/1.html
>>>>>>
>>>>> and the google phone will come with that awesome early 1990's GSM
>>>>> technology. it's about as innovative as a 15" crt monitor.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If you had bothered to follow the link, you would have seen that the
>>>> Nexus supports the UMTS 3G standard as used by AT&T.
>>>>
>>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10415222-94.html
>>>>
>>>> Ian
>>> Oops, as used by T-Mobile (Deutsche Telekom).
>>>
>>
>> big deal. it's still nothing but a bunch of vapourware.
>>
>>
>>
> It is true that Apple is expert in creating hype, so this phone
> probably
And the best selling mobile phone ever. When do you ever stop talking
garbage?
> won't have the same following. Still, this does not mean that it won't
> be a nicer phone to use than the iPhone, given that HTC already make
> some very nice Android phones.
>
> Ian
As he said : vapourware. Too little too late. People love the iPhones
and the application base just gets better all the time. Personally I
hate touch screen phones and it would take a lot to make me go back to
one.
bbgruff
>> It is true that Apple is expert in creating hype, so this phone
>> probably
>
> And the best selling mobile phone ever.
Are you sure about that?
Hadron
> Hadron wrote:
>
>>> It is true that Apple is expert in creating hype, so this phone
>>> probably
>>
>> And the best selling mobile phone ever.
>
> Are you sure about that?
>
No.
But if its not, its not far off.
It's certainly the best seller and biggest revenue generator of any 3G
PDA/smartphone.
You can't take a dump around here without hearing someone using an
iPhone to measure their own calorific discharge ...
wispygalaxy
I really hope the Google phone comes out soon. I think that many more people
will buy these phones because they don't like the closed nature of the
iPhone.
I'm in the market for a new phone and don't want a iPhone because of how
closed and limiting it is. But if there's a Linux based phone out there
then it would be perfect for me because of how open and flexible it would
be. I'm so excited to hear about this - I can hardly wait!
Hadron
> Dave U. Random wrote:
>
>> http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7648/1.html
>>
>> I personally think Google's doing a good job releasing it's own Android
>> phone. The problem with hardware vendors is that they don't want their
>> product to look like the next vendor's, so they start differentiating
>> leading to fragmentation. Already developers are complaining about
>> differences in Android phones which lead to software incompatibilities
>> thereby diminishing the advantages of a single platform. This could
>> spell the death of Android so Google is taking Apple's road by
>> introducing the One and Only Android Phone tentatively called the Nexus
>> One.
>>
>> And Google seems to have learned from Apple's mistakes since the
>> Android phone will be sold without a contract. Apple's bundling deals
>> with network operators limited their sales, since many users didn't
>> want to be wedded to AT&T's inferior network. With Google's Nexus One
>> consumers will have a choice. They can pay extra and use the phone on
>> the network of their choosing.
>
> I really hope the Google phone comes out soon. I think that many more people
> will buy these phones because they don't like the closed nature of the
> iPhone.
Define closed. You cant . You wont. The iPhone has the largest SW
library of 3rd party apps you could ever imagine.
People want great apps. Not crummy fix it yourself attempts at great
apps.
>
> I'm in the market for a new phone and don't want a iPhone because of how
> closed and limiting it is. But if there's a Linux based phone out
> there
Limiting??????????? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> then it would be perfect for me because of how open and flexible it would
> be. I'm so excited to hear about this - I can hardly wait!
You're a creepy little fan boi. You cant program so what good is
"open" to you anyway?
bbgruff
It's good, it's popular, but perhaps not quite the "best selling ever" -
yet :-)
http://txt4ever.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/iphone-sales-figures-2009-show-confusing-results/
ZnU
wispygalaxy <wispy...@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe the Google phone will make you very happy, but it's sheer fantasy
to believe that mainstream consumers care about things like "the closed
nature of the iPhone" or the other widely heard geeky objections to the
iPhone.
--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
ZnU
Ian Hilliard <nos...@hilliardtech.com> wrote:
> One Shot, One Kill wrote:
> > "Ian Hilliard" <nos...@hilliardtech.com> wrote in message
> > news:4b2a...@news.x-privat.org...
> >> Ian Hilliard wrote:
> >>> One Shot, One Kill wrote:
> >>>> "Dave U. Random" <anon...@anonymitaet-im-inter.net> wrote in
> >>>> message
> >>>> news:b918d6562edea381...@anonymitaet-im-inter.net...
> >>>>> http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7648/1.html
> >>>>>
> >>>> and the google phone will come with that awesome early 1990's
> >>>> GSM technology. it's about as innovative as a 15" crt monitor.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> If you had bothered to follow the link, you would have seen that
> >>> the Nexus supports the UMTS 3G standard as used by AT&T.
> >>>
> >>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10415222-94.html
> >>>
> >>> Ian
> >> Oops, as used by T-Mobile (Deutsche Telekom).
> >>
> >
> > big deal. it's still nothing but a bunch of vapourware.
> >
> >
> >
> It is true that Apple is expert in creating hype, so this phone
> probably won't have the same following.
Classic. Dismiss Apple's talent for UI design and building products
around a deep understanding of real-world consumer use cases, and
attribute any success Apple has to "hype".
> Still, this does not mean that it won't be a nicer phone to use than
> the iPhone, given that HTC already make some very nice Android
> phones.
--
Hadron
Have you met Ian? He is a legend in his own lunchtime. Amongst his
claims we have
1) NOT having to compile and install their own drivers from source
"dumbs Windows users down".
2)ANY project he manages will ALWAYS be delivered on time because he
factors EVERY potential catastrophe into it INCLUDING the entire SW
development team upping an leaving for a competitor I assume...
What a guy!
JEDIDIAH
Real world use cases eh?
Like getting some video from some random source?
Like getting a DVD created by iDVD on some other guy's Mac?
Like using a recent Sony Handicam to take a home video.
>
>> Still, this does not mean that it won't be a nicer phone to use than
>> the iPhone, given that HTC already make some very nice Android
>> phones.
>
--
Apple: Because the world doesn't have enough peasants. |||
/ | \
Tim Smith
Dave U. Random <anon...@anonymitaet-im-inter.net> wrote:
> And Google seems to have learned from Apple's mistakes since the
> Android phone will be sold without a contract. Apple's bundling deals
You can buy iPhones without contracts. However, you then won't get the
carrier to heavily subsidize the cost of the phone.
--
--Tim Smith
wispygalaxy
> I really hope the Google phone comes out soon. I think that many more
> people will buy these phones because they don't like the closed nature of
> the iPhone.
>
> I'm in the market for a new phone and don't want a iPhone because of how
> closed and limiting it is. But if there's a Linux based phone out there
> then it would be perfect for me because of how open and flexible it would
> be. I'm so excited to hear about this - I can hardly wait!
The real wispygalaxy did not write this message. This is forged.
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ZnU
JEDIDIAH <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
I see you're still obsessed with the fact that OS X doesn't ship out of
the box with codecs to support movies you've pirated off of BitTorrent.
> Like getting a DVD created by iDVD on some other guy's Mac?
Huh?
> Like using a recent Sony Handicam to take a home video.
OS X and iMovie work out of the box with a lot more cameras than Linux
does, in a much more user friendly way... including, according to the
latest compatibility info, 56 tapeless Sony models.
Unfortunately there's so universally adopted standard for tapeless
consumer camcorders yet the way there was for DV and HDV over FireWire,
so it's not really possible to support every single model on the market.
Rockinghorse Winner
>http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7648/1.html
I don't know, but, everything these days is phone and a contract. that's all
you see, is phone plus a contract. Phones are only sold w/o a contract to
replace a lost or broken one. So, I think Google could have something here.
Sell the phones and make the comco's battle it out for bandwidth.
Ian Hilliard
I did not claim that Apple do not make good products. I have a MacBook
myself. You do however have to admit that Apple have become masters at
prehyping their new products to the point where people run out
sight-unseen and wait in long queues to buy the latest gadget from Apple.
The truth is that Apple like almost every other company has quality
issues with the first release of anything. Even mature products have
some issues, although admittedly not many.
While I like my MacBook, when it comes to stability, this little MSI
Wind running Ubuntu 8.04 is a little better than OSX at a fraction of
the price. The Wind also doesn't become a toaster, when pushing the video.
Ian
Ian Hilliard
Hadron, you should stop being so annoying and then maybe your next team
won't quit en masse. Good leaders don't have problems with people
wanting to quit the team mid-project.
>
> What a guy!
Ian
ZnU
Ian Hilliard <nos...@hilliardtech.com> wrote:
Some may simply be seeing things you're not.
It was fairly obvious to me that despite all the "Phone model X already
does that" comments in response to the iPhone, the specific way the
iPhone worked -- the way it packaged those features so they were
actually useful to regular people -- made it a game-changer.
You'd think the iPhone's massive success would be accepted as validation
for that position, but annoyingly, it doesn't work that way. The "Phone
model X already does that" types didn't consider factors like user
interface to be important in 2007, and instead of coming around and
considering them important because they (pretty obviously) lead to the
iPhone's success, they instead attribute the iPhone's success to "hype"
or "trendiness" or clever advertising, and learn nothing.
> The truth is that Apple like almost every other company has quality
> issues with the first release of anything. Even mature products have
> some issues, although admittedly not many.
Sure, but people weren't lining up around the block to buy the iPhone
because they expected it to be a bit more reliable than their previous
phones. They were lining up because they expected the total package to
be more useful, despite the usual early glitches.
> While I like my MacBook, when it comes to stability, this little MSI
> Wind running Ubuntu 8.04 is a little better than OSX at a fraction of
> the price. The Wind also doesn't become a toaster, when pushing the video.
--
ZnU
Rockinghorse Winner <rwi...@8600.com> wrote:
The problem with this (in the US, anyway) is that carriers effectively
charge you for a phone subsidy even if you don't take one. You can
typically get something like a ~$400 handset subsidy every two years,
which means you're paying an extra ~$17/month.
By structuring the market this way, the carriers essentially raise the
price of any phone they haven't blessed by several hundred dollars. This
is, of course, quite deliberate: they want to control the handset market
precisely so they can prevent handset-level innovation which would turn
them into generic bandwidth providers.
To understand why, consider something like text messaging. As a service
supported at the network level, carriers can charge effective rates of
hundreds of dollars per megabyte for it. If it were implemented in
software by handset developers on top of generic data transport
services, carriers would have to charge normal data rates for it.
Google might have a way around this: use handset-based advertising to
subsidize handsets independent of carriers. We'll see how aggressively
they try to pursue this.