[News] Linux Boxes (FC6) with Commercial Games Preinstalled
Roy Schestowitz
,----[ Quote ]
| Tux Games has now started stocking the Tux Games Games Machine. This
| is a computer preloaded with all of the LGP games, and coming
| in four different flavours ranging from the modestly priced and
| specced Vanilla flavour, to the extremely tasty chocolate flavour.
| Loaded with Fedora Core 6, and twelve full games, this is the
| ideal next computer
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flatfish+++
> Tux Games News Archive - 11 Dec 2006
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | Tux Games has now started stocking the Tux Games Games Machine. This
> | is a computer preloaded with all of the LGP games, and coming
>
How long before they go under like Loki did?
SELLING games to Linux users is hardly a recipe for financial success.
In fact, asking a Linux user to pay for just about anything is a sure
method leading to failure.
The Ghost In The Machine
<newsg...@schestowitz.com>
wrote
on Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:21:47 +0000
<6051933.F...@schestowitz.com>:
[ http://www.tuxgames.com/details.cgi?gameref=141& ]
Hm. $840 for Vanilla version (Selpron 2800+, 512MB, 80 GB
ATA, 256 MB GeForce 6200, networking, stereo speakers,
generic DVD-ROM, PS/2 keyboard & mouse, 17 inch LCD
1280x1024-capable monitor. The games themselves are
supposedly worth $350 so that gives us an equivalent price
of $490 for this system. Fedora 6 is preloaded.
The form factor is not specified. I'd guess minitower.
Power supply is not mentioned either, except for a
generic blurb about a UK plug (which presumably is for
220V or 240V). Sound is implied.
"Selperon" appears to be a typo. Dell mentions a
Sempron, as does AMD. There are several flavors of the
2800+ but all run at 1.6 GHz, 62 watts, according to
http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/Default.aspx .
Dell offers a C521 for $499. This offers a slightly faster
microprocessor (a 3200+), a smaller 15-inch flatpanel
monitor, and a GeForce 6150 LE integrated graphics GPU,
which is probably poorer quality but I'm not sure how
much poorer.
And of course Dell offers gen-yoo-ine Windows XP Home Edition.
Neither specifies FSB speed.
nvidia.com stipulates that a GeForce 6200 has a 128
or 64-bit interface, with a 1.2billion to 1.4billion
texels/sec fill rate, and 225 or 262.5 million vertices
per second, with 400 MHz RAMDACs. Microsoft DirectX 9
shader model 3.0 is supported, as is "PureVideo".
The GeForce 6150 GPU mentions a 300 MHz RAMDAC, which
confirms my suspicions, though there's no indication of
texel transfer rate or vertex fill rate. A click on the
"more information" link takes me to a blank page.
Offhand the UK machine looks reasonably good, for an
introductory gamer willing to wait a bit for shipping.
The other machines are harder to compare, at least if I
use Dell; Dell doesn't offer Athlons.
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Oliver Wong
"Roy Schestowitz" <newsg...@schestowitz.com> wrote in message
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For the curious, the 12 bundled games are:
# Creatures: Internet Edition
# Majesty
# Candy Cruncher
# Mindrover
# NingPo MahJong
# Hyperspace Delivery Boy
# Software Tycoon
# Postal 2: Share the Pain
# Soul Ride
# X2: The Threat
# Gorky 17
# Cold War
- Oliver
flatfish+++
Never heard of em'.
They are going to go broke with a lineup like that.
Maybe they should market it as a "retro game computer" ?
They could target the baby boomers with ad copy like "remember your first
game of pong?"
Relive the good old days with Linux games!!
The Ghost In The Machine
<flat...@linuxmail.org>
wrote
on Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:03:36 -0500
<P7Yfh.16$6p...@newsfe10.lga>:
Top games according to http://games.ign.com/topgames/ .
1. Halo 3. Xbox 360.
2. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Pincess. Wii.
3. Gears of war. Xbox 360.
4. Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Wii.
5. WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2007. PS2.
6. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas. Xbox 360.
7. Lost Planet: Extreme Condition. Xbox 360.
8. Mass Effect. Xbox 360.
9. Call of Duty 3. Xbox 360.
10. Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings. Nintendo DS.
It is possible that all Xbox360 games can be played on a modern
Vista-capable PC (and I know Halo 3 has a variant for Windows), but the
highest ranking PC game is
68. Medieval II: Total War. PC.
Nexuiz and Unreal Tournament are not on the list.
Platform counts:
Xbox 360: 30
Wii: 24
PlayStation 2: 16
PlayStation 3: 9
Nintendo DS: 6
GameCube: 4
PC: 4
PlayStation Portable: 3
Xbox: 2
Nintendo 64: 1
PlayStation: 1
Pretty impressive for a modified PC which was initially offered as a
loss-leader. :-)
The top 10 games of 2005 do offer Linux variants.
DROD: Journey to Rooted Hold, Professor Fizzwizzle, and Tribal Trouble
indicate Linux as one of the OSes. Some of the rest might be
playable in WinE but there's no way this site would know. :-)
http://www.gametunnel.com/articles.php?id=412
Oliver Wong
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote in message
news:h76654-...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, flatfish+++
> <flat...@linuxmail.org>
> wrote
> on Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:03:36 -0500
> <P7Yfh.16$6p...@newsfe10.lga>:
>> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 13:52:04 -0500, Oliver Wong wrote:
>>
>>> For the curious, the 12 bundled games are:
>>>
>>> # Creatures: Internet Edition
>>> # Majesty
>>> # Candy Cruncher
>>> # Mindrover
>>> # NingPo MahJong
>>> # Hyperspace Delivery Boy
>>> # Software Tycoon
>>> # Postal 2: Share the Pain
>>> # Soul Ride
>>> # X2: The Threat
>>> # Gorky 17
>>> # Cold War
>>>
>> They are going to go broke with a lineup like that.
>>
>> Maybe they should market it as a "retro game computer" ?
>>
>> They could target the baby boomers with ad copy like "remember your first
>> game of pong?"
>> Relive the good old days with Linux games!!
I've heard of Creatures (not my thing), Hyperspace Delivery Boy (low
budget game, FWIR), Postal 2, X2, and Cold War. Of that list, Cold War is
the most interesting to me. They claim that this package has a $350 value,
but I think they just took the price of each individual software package and
summed them up. The value is, of course, completely subjective, and to me,
it would be closer to $50. That is, I'd essentially be willing to pay $50
for Cold War plus 11 "bonus" games.
>
> Top games according to http://games.ign.com/topgames/ .
>
> 1. Halo 3. Xbox 360.
> 2. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Pincess. Wii.
> 3. Gears of war. Xbox 360.
> 4. Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Wii.
> 5. WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2007. PS2.
> 6. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas. Xbox 360.
> 7. Lost Planet: Extreme Condition. Xbox 360.
> 8. Mass Effect. Xbox 360.
> 9. Call of Duty 3. Xbox 360.
> 10. Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings. Nintendo DS.
Interesting. I didn't think the Xbox360 would do so well. I wonder what
metric they are using to rank these games. The fact that classics like
Half-Life 2 or Neverwinter Nights are not present on the list indicate this
is probably a list of "top 100 recently released games", which would explain
the strong bias towards the most recently released platforms like X360 and
Wii.
> It is possible that all Xbox360 games can be played on a modern
> Vista-capable PC (and I know Halo 3 has a variant for Windows), but the
> highest ranking PC game is
>
> 68. Medieval II: Total War. PC.
>
> Nexuiz and Unreal Tournament are not on the list.
>
> Platform counts:
>
> Xbox 360: 30
> Wii: 24
> PlayStation 2: 16
> PlayStation 3: 9
> Nintendo DS: 6
> GameCube: 4
> PC: 4
> PlayStation Portable: 3
> Xbox: 2
> Nintendo 64: 1
> PlayStation: 1
>
> Pretty impressive for a modified PC which was initially offered as a
> loss-leader. :-)
That's one way of looking at it. Another is that it's somewhat
disappointing for a christmas launch of a product chrissened with the name
"PlayStation 3". You'd think it would live up to the legacy established by
the PS2...
I'm surprised that the PC and the DS ranked so lowly, though, which
makes me question again what metric was used to rank them.
>
> The top 10 games of 2005 do offer Linux variants.
> DROD: Journey to Rooted Hold, Professor Fizzwizzle, and Tribal Trouble
> indicate Linux as one of the OSes. Some of the rest might be
> playable in WinE but there's no way this site would know. :-)
>
> http://www.gametunnel.com/articles.php?id=412
Hmm... given that their number 1 game of 2005 is "Oasis", I suspect that
the award name is a misnomer. This isn't a list of the top 10 games of 2005,
but the top 10 *independent* (i.e. not backed by a professional publisher)
games of 2005.
According to GameRankings (whose metric is a weighed average of the
aggregation of other game review sites -- i.e. GameRankings is to VideoGames
what Rotten Tomato is to Movies -- and is detailed at
http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/help.asp), top 10 games of 2005
are:
Resident Evil 4 for GC
Resident Evil 4 for PS2
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory for XBOX
Ninja Gaiden Black for XBOX
Civilization IV for PC
God of War for PS2
Forza Motorsport for XBOX
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas for XBOX
Mario Kart DS for DS
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas for PC
AFAIK, none of these are available for Linux, and only 2 are available
for PC, with the majority going to the XBOX, followed by the PS2 and PC.
2006 was slightly better for PCs: they still had 2 games in the top 10
list, but those two games ranked 4th (Company of Heroes) and 5th (Oblivion)
instead of 5th and 10th. Then there's 4 PS2 games, 3 X360 games, and a Wii
game. The top PS3 game, "Resistance: Fall of Man", ranks 13th on the list of
top games of 2006. The second best PS3 game, Ridge Racer 7, ranked 139th.
(I'm sorry I can't directly link to these results, as the site seems to use
POST instead of GET, but you the form to make these POST requests is located
at http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp and it should
be fairly intuitive how to construct the appropriate queries).
- Oliver
The Ghost In The Machine
<ow...@castortech.com>
wrote
on Wed, 13 Dec 2006 16:52:20 -0500
<pC_fh.77390$aJ6.7...@wagner.videotron.net>:
I've not heard of any of them, frankly. One might play
"guess the genre" (Candy Cruncher sounds like a silly/fun
2D scroller, for example; X2: The Threat is probably a
turn-based game with lots of artwork), but that's all I
can do without further research. :-)
>
>>
>> Top games according to http://games.ign.com/topgames/ .
>>
>> 1. Halo 3. Xbox 360.
>> 2. Legend of Zelda: Twilight Pincess. Wii.
>> 3. Gears of war. Xbox 360.
>> 4. Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Wii.
>> 5. WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2007. PS2.
>> 6. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas. Xbox 360.
>> 7. Lost Planet: Extreme Condition. Xbox 360.
>> 8. Mass Effect. Xbox 360.
>> 9. Call of Duty 3. Xbox 360.
>> 10. Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings. Nintendo DS.
>
> Interesting. I didn't think the Xbox360 would do so well.
Neither did I; it's a little annoying. :-)
> I wonder what
> metric they are using to rank these games.
I wonder that myself. The list does not explain or provide a link.
Each game is individually clickable (not obvious unless one mouses
over the title in the list, since they're not underlined).
> The fact that classics like
> Half-Life 2 or Neverwinter Nights are not present on the list indicate this
> is probably a list of "top 100 recently released games", which would explain
> the strong bias towards the most recently released platforms like X360 and
> Wii.
I'd say that's a good guess, absent more info.
>
>> It is possible that all Xbox360 games can be played on a modern
>> Vista-capable PC (and I know Halo 3 has a variant for Windows), but the
>> highest ranking PC game is
>>
>> 68. Medieval II: Total War. PC.
>>
>> Nexuiz and Unreal Tournament are not on the list.
>>
>> Platform counts:
>>
>> Xbox 360: 30
>> Wii: 24
>> PlayStation 2: 16
>> PlayStation 3: 9
>> Nintendo DS: 6
>> GameCube: 4
>> PC: 4
>> PlayStation Portable: 3
>> Xbox: 2
>> Nintendo 64: 1
>> PlayStation: 1
>>
>> Pretty impressive for a modified PC which was initially offered as a
>> loss-leader. :-)
>
> That's one way of looking at it. Another is that it's somewhat
> disappointing for a christmas launch of a product chrissened with the name
> "PlayStation 3". You'd think it would live up to the legacy established by
> the PS2...
PS3 has had problems in production, with short supplies.
>
> I'm surprised that the PC and the DS ranked so lowly, though, which
> makes me question again what metric was used to rank them.
Aye.
>
>>
>> The top 10 games of 2005 do offer Linux variants.
>> DROD: Journey to Rooted Hold, Professor Fizzwizzle, and Tribal Trouble
>> indicate Linux as one of the OSes. Some of the rest might be
>> playable in WinE but there's no way this site would know. :-)
>>
>> http://www.gametunnel.com/articles.php?id=412
>
> Hmm... given that their number 1 game of 2005 is "Oasis", I suspect that
> the award name is a misnomer. This isn't a list of the top 10 games of 2005,
> but the top 10 *independent* (i.e. not backed by a professional publisher)
> games of 2005.
Oops.
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Hadron Quark
Oh for christ's sake.
"Loaded with Fedora Core 6, and twelve full games, this is the ideal
next computer!"
Twelve full game!?!?!?!?! Wowola.
Snigger.
And what a crap web site.
Hadron Quark
Its all out of date rubbish.
X3 is the current incarnation : its a strategy space sim.
Typical.
Kelsey Bjarnason
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:58:04 +0100, Hadron Quark wrote:
> "Loaded with Fedora Core 6, and twelve full games, this is the ideal next
> computer!"
Hmm. The $2399 offering from one of the popular local retailers doesn't
seem to come with *any* games[1], let alone a dozen.
'Course, it *is* a Windows box, so all the money you could have spent on
games went into the OS, right?
[1] Solitaire, etc, not being counted here.
Kelsey Bjarnason
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:00:16 +0100, Hadron Quark wrote:
>> I've not heard of any of them, frankly. One might play "guess the
>> genre" (Candy Cruncher sounds like a silly/fun 2D scroller, for example;
>> X2: The Threat is probably a turn-based game with lots of artwork), but
>> that's all I can do without further research. :-)
>
> Its all out of date rubbish.
>
> X3 is the current incarnation : its a strategy space sim.
And, of course, current versions are all bundled with your typical Windows
box, right? No? Fine, then how about you shut the hell up?
Bah. Last couple games that were actually bundled with a Windows box I
bought all turned out to be trials, or demos, or in some other way less
than the full deal. 'Course, we can't have Hadron comparing apples to
anything more closely related than orang utans, now can we? Wouldn't be
his style...
The Ghost In The Machine
<qadro...@geemail.com>
wrote
on Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:00:16 +0100
<p064cez...@geemail.com>:
Of course. This makes Windows much better, as it's bundled with all of
the latest and greatest games.
Oh, wait, it's not?
Never mind.
:-P
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Just because the games are bundled doesn't mean they're worth playing.
I think that's all he was getting at. Don't get me wrong, bundled free
games isn't a bad thing, but people pay $50 for WoW and then $15 a
month to play for a reason.
Hadron Quark
Yes it is. If you pay for them.
The point is that these "games" are, frankly, second rate and old.
A lot of PCs come with a few compilations of games. And there is always
abandonware too.
Oliver Wong
>
> Of course. This makes Windows much better, as it's bundled with all of
> the latest and greatest games.
>
> Oh, wait, it's not?
>
> Never mind.
>
> :-P
Well, if we're going to a comparison of between Linux and Windows using
the metric of which a typical gamer would prefer, I think it's pretty clear
that Windows wins. I don't think this is a wise battle for a Linux advocate
to pick.
- Oliver
Oliver Wong
news:pan.2006.12.14....@ncoldns.com...
> [snips]
>
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:58:04 +0100, Hadron Quark wrote:
>
>> "Loaded with Fedora Core 6, and twelve full games, this is the ideal next
>> computer!"
>
> Hmm. The $2399 offering from one of the popular local retailers doesn't
> seem to come with *any* games[1], let alone a dozen.
>
> 'Course, it *is* a Windows box, so all the money you could have spent on
> games went into the OS, right?
Take a step back and you'll see why your argument is irrelevant. Let L
and M be some relatively small numbers (e.g. in the 1000s or 100s) and W and
X be relatively large numbers (e.g. in the 1'000'000s or 100'000s):
Buy this machine, and you get 12 free games, and plus you can download
the L free Linux games, and buy the M for-sale Linux games out on the
market. But you can't play any Windows-only games. You could try a VMWare or
WINE solution for running those Windows-only games, but many of them require
3D acceleration which current virtualization software can't decently provide
yet.
Buy a Windows machine, and you get Solitaire, Minesweeper, Pinball etc.,
and you can download the W free Windows games on the Internet, and buy X
for-sale Windows games out on the market. And many of the Linux-only games
*DON'T* require a lot of 3D acceleration (e.g. that Mahjong game), so it IS
feasible to run them via VMWare or VirtualPC, etc.
It's like the Beta vs VHS thing back in the 90s. You might be offered a
Beta player that comes with 12 free movies, or a VHS player with zero free
movies. The smart choice was the VHS player, as you had that many more
selection, whereas with Beta, you faced some serious limitations as to what
you could enjoy.
This computer is a good start at helping Linux's image with the gamers.
Don't kid yourself: I don't think any gamer is going to seriously consider
going Linux just because of this box and its 12 games. But like I said: it's
a good start.
- Oliver
Kelsey Bjarnason
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:09:44 -0500, Oliver Wong wrote:
>> 'Course, it *is* a Windows box, so all the money you could have spent on
>> games went into the OS, right?
> Buy a Windows machine, and you get Solitaire, Minesweeper, Pinball
> etc.,
> and you can download the W free Windows games on the Internet, and buy X
> for-sale Windows games out on the market.
So your argument here is that where you should be buying a comparatively
inexpensive console, you're instead going to spend a lot more to buy a PC,
for the privilege of paying still more for an OS that does less, all to
make the point that you're... what? Smarter because you can accomplish
less with greater cost?
Yes, yes, very good. Tell us when you can cope with case, we'll get back
to you on the harder issues.
Often Wrong, King of the Turnips...
Oliver Wong
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:09:44 -0500, Oliver Wong wrote:
>
>> Buy a Windows machine, and you get Solitaire, Minesweeper, Pinball
>> etc.,
>> and you can download the W free Windows games on the Internet, and buy X
>> for-sale Windows games out on the market.
>
> So your argument here is that where you should be buying a comparatively
> inexpensive console, you're instead going to spend a lot more to buy a PC,
> for the privilege of paying still more for an OS that does less, all to
> make the point that you're... what? Smarter because you can accomplish
> less with greater cost?
No, I guess I'll have to simplify my argument for you:
Windows is better than Linux when it comes to gaming on the PC. I have
made no statements about how consoles compare to either Windows nor Linux.
Is this clear to you?
- Oliver
Kelsey Bjarnason
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:22:47 -0500, Oliver Wong wrote:
> Windows is better than Linux when it comes to gaming on the PC.
Interesting assertion. Completely unfounded, but interesting. At *most*
one could reasonably assert that Windows has _more_ games available; this,
however, says nothing of its actual suitability to the task.
Do feel free to support this "Windows is better than Linux when it comes
to gaming on the PC" line, though. You might start with, oh, how the
Windows implementation of OpenGL is better than any such in Linux. Or how
Windows handles threading so much more efficiently that gaming sub-tasks
perform so much better than the equivalent in Linux.
Do feel free. Any time. We'll wait.
Often Wrong... King of the turnips...
Oliver Wong
> [snips]
>
> On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:22:47 -0500, Oliver Wong wrote:
>
>> Windows is better than Linux when it comes to gaming on the PC.
>
> Interesting assertion. Completely unfounded, but interesting. At *most*
> one could reasonably assert that Windows has _more_ games available; this,
> however, says nothing of its actual suitability to the task.
If you don't believe that lack of availability of games on Linux is a
disadvantage for Linux in the context of gaming on the PC, then I doubt I
can convince you of the above assertion.
- Oliver
Kelsey Bjarnason
Look, I know you're challenged and all, but try to keep up.
The assertion was that "Windows is better than Linux when it comes to
gaming on the PC". The question is *what* makes Windows better than
Linux in this regard? Its OpenGL support? Its threading model? What?
Point to something specific.
All you're spewing is that Windows has more titles; this means it is _more
popular_, not that it is _better_.
I know you're too stupid to grasp such a point, being King of the turnips
and all, but if you really, really, REALLY try hard, you might just get a
brief glimmer of what the question is actually about. Not enough to, oh,
say, actually answer it, but at least enough to realize how your response
makes you appear a gibbering, dribbling idiot.
Often Wrong, King of the turnips...
flatfish+++
> On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:55:02 -0500, Oliver Wong wrote:
>
>
> Look, I know you're challenged and all, but try to keep up.
>
> The assertion was that "Windows is better than Linux when it comes to
> gaming on the PC". The question is *what* makes Windows better than
> Linux in this regard? Its OpenGL support? Its threading model? What?
> Point to something specific.
It's been answered already, several times in fact kelsey.
All of your arm flapping isn't going to change that.
Hadron Quark
Can Kelsey read?
Kelsey, once again :
Direct X : a library of graphics, sound an IO which is stable, and
aimed at the games companies.
Market : Windows users buy SW.
Sound : Linux has no unified sound architecture.
Drivers : HW OpenGL and Direct 3d work on Windows. OpenGL on LInux is
didgy at the best of times. Compiz is still alpha. ATI cards suck for
OGL on Linux.
I could go on.
I have Linux in front of me. I am playing an 8 years old game on it. It
works ok. But the general choices for more modern games re limited and a
hit or miss affair.
Linux sucks for gaming.
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Oliver Wong
> On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:55:02 -0500, Oliver Wong wrote:
>
>>
>> "Kelsey Bjarnason" <kbjar...@ncoldns.com> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2006.12.15...@ncoldns.com...
>>> [snips]
>>>
>>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:22:47 -0500, Oliver Wong wrote:
>>>
>>>> Windows is better than Linux when it comes to gaming on the PC.
>>>
>>> Interesting assertion. Completely unfounded, but interesting. At
>>> *most* one could reasonably assert that Windows has _more_ games
>>> available; this, however, says nothing of its actual suitability to the
>>> task.
>>
>> If you don't believe that lack of availability of games on Linux is a
>> disadvantage for Linux in the context of gaming on the PC, then I doubt I
>> can convince you of the above assertion.
>
> Look, I know you're challenged and all, but try to keep up.
>
> The assertion was that "Windows is better than Linux when it comes to
> gaming on the PC". The question is *what* makes Windows better than
> Linux in this regard? Its OpenGL support? Its threading model? What?
> Point to something specific.
A couple of things, one of which is availability of titles.
>
> All you're spewing is that Windows has more titles; this means it is _more
> popular_, not that it is _better_.
As I've said earlier, if you don't believe that lack of availability of
games on Linux is a disadvantage for Linux in the context of gaming on the
PC, then I doubt I can convince you of the above assertion.
- Oliver
Kelsey Bjarnason
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:43:22 +0100, Hadron Quark wrote:
> Kelsey, once again :
>
> Direct X : a library of graphics, sound an IO which is stable, and aimed
> at the games companies.
Wonderful. And Linux, of course, lacks video and sound support usable by
gaming, right? Oh, wait, no, it doesn't. Very good, keep right on
failing, completely, to come up with an answer.
> Market : Windows users buy SW.
Wonderful, and once more, this explains the technical shortcomings of
Linux as pertains to gaming how? Oh, right, it doesn't. Very good, keep
right on failing, completely, to come up with an answer.
> Sound : Linux has no unified sound architecture.
Yet, oddly, this doesn't seem to prevent media apps from existing in
Linux. Amazing, according to you, this should be impossible, right?
> Drivers : HW OpenGL and Direct 3d work on Windows. OpenGL on LInux is
> didgy at the best of times.
OpenGL works quite nicely, thanks. Except, occasionally, when you get a
bogus video driver. You know, just like in Windows? Right. So, once
more, not a shred of a hint of a point to be made...
> Compiz is still alpha.
WTF has *compiz* got to do with anything? OGL and gaming support has been
around a lot longer than compiz has.
> ATI cards suck for OGL on Linux.
ATI drivers have sucked for ages in Windows, too. Again, nothing remotely
relevant here.
> I could go on.
You could, but do you think you will *ever* manage to come up with a
*single* relevant point? It seems very doubtful.