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Marti Van Lin
May 22, 2013, 12:52:53 AM5/22/13
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Many seasoned Windows users dislike Windows 8 because of the not so
beautiful MetroUI, which gives the illusion you are working with two
distinct desktop environments.
It was a matter of time for a independent developer to create a tool to
make the Windows 8 experience more consistent.
Introducing: Windows 8 Start Screen Customizer:
http://vhanla.deviantart.com/art/Windows-8-Start-Screen-Customizer-v1-3-beta-337308916
Choose your favorite picture as background for your Start screen,
eventually use a blur effect. Eventually make the tiles transparent.
Using the same picture as your Start screen background as well as your
desktop background and adding some opacity to the tiles gives a very
nice, consistent and eye-catching effect.
If you are a Windows 8 user, I sugest you download it (it's Gratis!) and
experiment a bit with it, have fun making Windows 8 look Sexy!
--
|_|0|_| Marti T. van Lin (alias de ML2MST)
|_|_|0| http://osg33x.blogspot.com
|0|0|0| Windows 8: The Future is Now!
beautiful MetroUI, which gives the illusion you are working with two
distinct desktop environments.
It was a matter of time for a independent developer to create a tool to
make the Windows 8 experience more consistent.
Introducing: Windows 8 Start Screen Customizer:
http://vhanla.deviantart.com/art/Windows-8-Start-Screen-Customizer-v1-3-beta-337308916
Choose your favorite picture as background for your Start screen,
eventually use a blur effect. Eventually make the tiles transparent.
Using the same picture as your Start screen background as well as your
desktop background and adding some opacity to the tiles gives a very
nice, consistent and eye-catching effect.
If you are a Windows 8 user, I sugest you download it (it's Gratis!) and
experiment a bit with it, have fun making Windows 8 look Sexy!
--
|_|0|_| Marti T. van Lin (alias de ML2MST)
|_|_|0| http://osg33x.blogspot.com
|0|0|0| Windows 8: The Future is Now!
Peter Köhlmann
May 22, 2013, 4:11:43 AM5/22/13
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Marti Van Lin wrote:
> Many seasoned Windows users dislike Windows 8 because of the not so
> beautiful MetroUI, which gives the illusion you are working with two
> distinct desktop environments.
It isn't an "illusion". They *are* distinct environments
> Many seasoned Windows users dislike Windows 8 because of the not so
> beautiful MetroUI, which gives the illusion you are working with two
> distinct desktop environments.
> It was a matter of time for a independent developer to create a tool to
> make the Windows 8 experience more consistent.
make them "more consistent"
> Introducing: Windows 8 Start Screen Customizer:
>
> http://vhanla.deviantart.com/art/Windows-8-Start-Screen-Customizer-v1-3-
beta-337308916
>
> Choose your favorite picture as background for your Start screen,
> eventually use a blur effect. Eventually make the tiles transparent.
>
> Using the same picture as your Start screen background as well as your
> desktop background and adding some opacity to the tiles gives a very
> nice, consistent and eye-catching effect.
ugly shite. It now takes 3 seconds longer
> If you are a Windows 8 user, I sugest you download it (it's Gratis!) and
> experiment a bit with it, have fun making Windows 8 look Sexy!
>
Putting lipstick on a pig will not exactly make it a beauty
William Poaster
May 22, 2013, 5:18:03 AM5/22/13
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windows group? alt.comp.os.windows-8 for example, or
alt.nl.os.windows8...
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agents.
Linux is the scientific communityļæ½s operating system of choice.
CERNļæ½s Large Hadron Collider is controlled by Linux.
NASA and SpaceX ground stations use Linux.
DNA-sequencing lab technicians use Linux.
Really, for applications that require absolute stability,
which most scientific experiments are, Linux is the obvious choice.
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Melzzzzz
May 22, 2013, 5:23:02 AM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 10:18:03 +0100, William Poaster wrote:
>
> comp.os.linux.advocacy Err, shouldn't Van Lin have posted the above in
> a windows group? alt.comp.os.windows-8 for example, or
> alt.nl.os.windows8...
Yes, this looks like a troll. I don't use Windows, let alone windows 8.
>
> comp.os.linux.advocacy Err, shouldn't Van Lin have posted the above in
> a windows group? alt.comp.os.windows-8 for example, or
> alt.nl.os.windows8...
If he posted something about Enlightenment or KDE I would be
interrested ;)
William Poaster
May 22, 2013, 6:16:19 AM5/22/13
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I've not used Enlightenment for a long time, I used it as an alternative to
GNOME (which I didn't really like), but I might give it another try.
--
The Mac user really puts the 'stupid' in 'Keep It Simple, Stupid
Linux is the scientific communityοΏ½s operating system of choice.
CERNοΏ½s Large Hadron Collider is controlled by Linux.
Melzzzzz
May 22, 2013, 7:00:54 AM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:16:19 +0100, William Poaster wrote:
> Melzzzzz wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 10:18:03 +0100, William Poaster wrote:
>>
>>
>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy Err, shouldn't Van Lin have posted the above
>>> in a windows group? alt.comp.os.windows-8 for example, or
>>> alt.nl.os.windows8...
>>
>> Yes, this looks like a troll. I don't use Windows, let alone windows 8.
>> If he posted something about Enlightenment or KDE I would be
>> interrested ;)
>
> "Me too!"
> I've not used Enlightenment for a long time, I used it as an alternative
> to GNOME (which I didn't really like), but I might give it another try.
I use e17, on ubuntu 13.04. Default version works out of the box, but
> Melzzzzz wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 10:18:03 +0100, William Poaster wrote:
>>
>>
>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy Err, shouldn't Van Lin have posted the above
>>> in a windows group? alt.comp.os.windows-8 for example, or
>>> alt.nl.os.windows8...
>>
>> Yes, this looks like a troll. I don't use Windows, let alone windows 8.
>> If he posted something about Enlightenment or KDE I would be
>> interrested ;)
>
> "Me too!"
> I've not used Enlightenment for a long time, I used it as an alternative
> to GNOME (which I didn't really like), but I might give it another try.
latest stable version from ppa efl you have to start it through script
(modify enlightenment.desktop) which will export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/
lib/:/usr/local/lib and then /usr/bin/enlightenment_start. Simple
but LD_LIBRARY_PATH is needed for enlightenment and ssh erases it
when starting through GDM or LightDM. startx is ok.
It is pretty lightweight desktop (lighter than XFCE), yet with modern
graphic effects.
KDE apps look like KDE apps, Gnome apps look like Gnome apps, on it.
You have to add favorite apps or place icon on iBar ...
Some people find it slow to navigate but I find it pretty slick.
Marti Van Lin
May 22, 2013, 8:21:19 AM5/22/13
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Op 22-5-2013 10:11, schreef Peter K�hlmann:
> Marti Van Lin wrote:
>
>> Many seasoned Windows users dislike Windows 8 because of the not so
>> beautiful MetroUI, which gives the illusion you are working with two
>> distinct desktop environments.
>
> It isn't an "illusion". They *are* distinct environments
Experimenting with this Windows 8 Start Screen Customizer, brought me to
the conclusion that ModernUI is yet another layer on top of the desktop.
>> It was a matter of time for a independent developer to create a tool to
>> make the Windows 8 experience more consistent.
>
> The two environments are so radically different that it is impossible to
> make them "more consistent"
My Startscreen:
http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/t382/ml2mst2/ml2mstStartShot-1.jpg
My Desktop:
http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/t382/ml2mst2/ml2mstBureauShot.jpg
>> Introducing: Windows 8 Start Screen Customizer:
>>
>> http://vhanla.deviantart.com/art/Windows-8-Start-Screen-Customizer-v1-3-
> beta-337308916
>>
>> Choose your favorite picture as background for your Start screen,
>> eventually use a blur effect. Eventually make the tiles transparent.
>>
>> Using the same picture as your Start screen background as well as your
>> desktop background and adding some opacity to the tiles gives a very
>> nice, consistent and eye-catching effect.
>
> Translation: One does not fell like puking the very instant you see that
> ugly shite. It now takes 3 seconds longer
I don't think it's ugly at all especially not after experimenting a bit
with Windows 8 Start Screen Customizer.
>> If you are a Windows 8 user, I suggest you download it (it's Gratis!) and
> Marti Van Lin wrote:
>
>> Many seasoned Windows users dislike Windows 8 because of the not so
>> beautiful MetroUI, which gives the illusion you are working with two
>> distinct desktop environments.
>
> It isn't an "illusion". They *are* distinct environments
the conclusion that ModernUI is yet another layer on top of the desktop.
>> It was a matter of time for a independent developer to create a tool to
>> make the Windows 8 experience more consistent.
>
> The two environments are so radically different that it is impossible to
> make them "more consistent"
http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/t382/ml2mst2/ml2mstStartShot-1.jpg
My Desktop:
http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/t382/ml2mst2/ml2mstBureauShot.jpg
>> Introducing: Windows 8 Start Screen Customizer:
>>
>> http://vhanla.deviantart.com/art/Windows-8-Start-Screen-Customizer-v1-3-
> beta-337308916
>>
>> Choose your favorite picture as background for your Start screen,
>> eventually use a blur effect. Eventually make the tiles transparent.
>>
>> Using the same picture as your Start screen background as well as your
>> desktop background and adding some opacity to the tiles gives a very
>> nice, consistent and eye-catching effect.
>
> Translation: One does not fell like puking the very instant you see that
> ugly shite. It now takes 3 seconds longer
with Windows 8 Start Screen Customizer.
>> If you are a Windows 8 user, I suggest you download it (it's Gratis!) and
>> experiment a bit with it, have fun making Windows 8 look Sexy!
> Sexy? The Mtro UI is hideous. It is the ugliest shite I have ever seen.
> Putting lipstick on a pig will not exactly make it a beauty
To each his own ;-)
> Sexy? The Mtro UI is hideous. It is the ugliest shite I have ever seen.
> Putting lipstick on a pig will not exactly make it a beauty
Chris Ahlstrom
May 22, 2013, 8:37:56 AM5/22/13
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After swilling some grog, Marti Van Lin belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
Subject plonk.
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they are "Let's eat out."
>
Subject plonk.
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Before marriage the three little words are "I love you," after marriage
they are "Let's eat out."
Marti Van Lin
May 22, 2013, 8:58:15 AM5/22/13
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Op 22-5-2013 11:23, schreef Melzzzzz:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 10:18:03 +0100, William Poaster wrote:
>
>>
>> comp.os.linux.advocacy Err, shouldn't Van Lin have posted the above in
>> a windows group? alt.comp.os.windows-8 for example, or
>> alt.nl.os.windows8...
There are more Windows Tweakers in COLA then those Windows groups William.
> Yes, this looks like a troll. I don't use Windows, let alone windows 8.
> If he posted something about Enlightenment or KDE I would be
> interrested ;)
Yes, a *troll* who has been using and advocating GNU/Linux for 12 years
and still is running GNU/Linux dualboot with Windows 8 on his main rig
and exclusively running GNU/Linux on 2 more machines in his apartment.
I made the "mistake" for liking Windows 8 and being *honest* about it
and now all of a sudden I am a "troll".
At least I understand now how Philo and Greycloud feel. Write a single
positive word about - whatever - Microsoft product in COLA and you're
*toast*.
Whatever...
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 10:18:03 +0100, William Poaster wrote:
>
>>
>> comp.os.linux.advocacy Err, shouldn't Van Lin have posted the above in
>> a windows group? alt.comp.os.windows-8 for example, or
>> alt.nl.os.windows8...
> Yes, this looks like a troll. I don't use Windows, let alone windows 8.
> If he posted something about Enlightenment or KDE I would be
> interrested ;)
and still is running GNU/Linux dualboot with Windows 8 on his main rig
and exclusively running GNU/Linux on 2 more machines in his apartment.
I made the "mistake" for liking Windows 8 and being *honest* about it
and now all of a sudden I am a "troll".
At least I understand now how Philo and Greycloud feel. Write a single
positive word about - whatever - Microsoft product in COLA and you're
*toast*.
Whatever...
Melzzzzz
May 22, 2013, 10:54:03 AM5/22/13
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 14:58:15 +0200, Marti Van Lin wrote:
> Op 22-5-2013 11:23, schreef Melzzzzz:
>
> Op 22-5-2013 11:23, schreef Melzzzzz:
>
>> Yes, this looks like a troll. I don't use Windows, let alone windows 8.
>> If he posted something about Enlightenment or KDE I would be
>> interrested ;)
>
> Yes, a *troll* who has been using and advocating GNU/Linux for 12 years
> and still is running GNU/Linux dualboot with Windows 8 on his main rig
> and exclusively running GNU/Linux on 2 more machines in his apartment.
>
> I made the "mistake" for liking Windows 8 and being *honest* about it
> and now all of a sudden I am a "troll".
Well, this is Linux advocacy group. Why post about Windows in it?
>> If he posted something about Enlightenment or KDE I would be
>> interrested ;)
>
> Yes, a *troll* who has been using and advocating GNU/Linux for 12 years
> and still is running GNU/Linux dualboot with Windows 8 on his main rig
> and exclusively running GNU/Linux on 2 more machines in his apartment.
>
> I made the "mistake" for liking Windows 8 and being *honest* about it
> and now all of a sudden I am a "troll".
>
> At least I understand now how Philo and Greycloud feel. Write a single
> positive word about - whatever - Microsoft product in COLA and you're
> *toast*.
group after all...
Snit
May 22, 2013, 11:28:59 AM5/22/13
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On 5/22/13 1:11 AM, in article knhuca$ork$1...@dont-email.me, "Peter K�hlmann"
apps *are* all tossed into one environment. At least with Windows there is a
context change. Does not mean that Win 8's UI is not utter garbage though.
>> It was a matter of time for a independent developer to create a tool to
>> make the Windows 8 experience more consistent.
>
> The two environments are so radically different that it is impossible to
> make them "more consistent"
Pretty much right (thought there are similarities). Still, at least this
gives a context change which does not exist on desktop Linux... not that
this excuses Win 8's absurdly bad UI designed to work well on neither
desktop nor tablet but trying to be both. Apple and Canonical and Google all
handle this *much* better with different but related UIs for their desktop
and mobile UIs.
>> Introducing: Windows 8 Start Screen Customizer:
>>
>> http://vhanla.deviantart.com/art/Windows-8-Start-Screen-Customizer-v1-3-
>> beta-337308916
>>
>> Choose your favorite picture as background for your Start screen,
>> eventually use a blur effect. Eventually make the tiles transparent.
>>
>> Using the same picture as your Start screen background as well as your
>> desktop background and adding some opacity to the tiles gives a very
>> nice, consistent and eye-catching effect.
>
> Translation: One does not fell like puking the very instant you see that
> ugly shite. It now takes 3 seconds longer
>
>> If you are a Windows 8 user, I sugest you download it (it's Gratis!) and
>> experiment a bit with it, have fun making Windows 8 look Sexy!
>
> Sexy? The Mtro UI is hideous. It is the ugliest shite I have ever seen.
> Putting lipstick on a pig will not exactly make it a beauty
It is quite nasty. I certainly agree with you there.
--
"I have never, ever cared about really anything but the Linux desktop."
-- Linus Torvalds
<peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
> Marti Van Lin wrote:
>
>> Many seasoned Windows users dislike Windows 8 because of the not so
>> beautiful MetroUI, which gives the illusion you are working with two
>> distinct desktop environments.
>
> It isn't an "illusion". They *are* distinct environments
Right. This is not so bad as on desktop Linux where KDE and Gnome and other
> Marti Van Lin wrote:
>
>> Many seasoned Windows users dislike Windows 8 because of the not so
>> beautiful MetroUI, which gives the illusion you are working with two
>> distinct desktop environments.
>
> It isn't an "illusion". They *are* distinct environments
apps *are* all tossed into one environment. At least with Windows there is a
context change. Does not mean that Win 8's UI is not utter garbage though.
>> It was a matter of time for a independent developer to create a tool to
>> make the Windows 8 experience more consistent.
>
> The two environments are so radically different that it is impossible to
> make them "more consistent"
gives a context change which does not exist on desktop Linux... not that
this excuses Win 8's absurdly bad UI designed to work well on neither
desktop nor tablet but trying to be both. Apple and Canonical and Google all
handle this *much* better with different but related UIs for their desktop
and mobile UIs.
>> Introducing: Windows 8 Start Screen Customizer:
>>
>> http://vhanla.deviantart.com/art/Windows-8-Start-Screen-Customizer-v1-3-
>> beta-337308916
>>
>> Choose your favorite picture as background for your Start screen,
>> eventually use a blur effect. Eventually make the tiles transparent.
>>
>> Using the same picture as your Start screen background as well as your
>> desktop background and adding some opacity to the tiles gives a very
>> nice, consistent and eye-catching effect.
>
> Translation: One does not fell like puking the very instant you see that
> ugly shite. It now takes 3 seconds longer
>
>> If you are a Windows 8 user, I sugest you download it (it's Gratis!) and
>> experiment a bit with it, have fun making Windows 8 look Sexy!
>
> Sexy? The Mtro UI is hideous. It is the ugliest shite I have ever seen.
> Putting lipstick on a pig will not exactly make it a beauty
--
"I have never, ever cared about really anything but the Linux desktop."
-- Linus Torvalds
Snit
May 22, 2013, 11:31:06 AM5/22/13
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On 5/22/13 5:58 AM, in article knifd8$97k$1...@news.albasani.net, "Marti Van
their narrative. Now you are out of the herd and a "troll". Does not matter
how much you like, advocate, or use Linux... you are not loyal to them.
To the herd you are now the enemy.
Do you see the truth in this now?
--
"Actually, I would like to know from Snit exactly how watching movies of
naked people having sex is harmful to children." - Mark S Bilk
Proof: the Stallman cult is repulsive.
Lin" <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> wrote:
> Op 22-5-2013 11:23, schreef Melzzzzz:
>
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 10:18:03 +0100, William Poaster wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy Err, shouldn't Van Lin have posted the above in
>>> a windows group? alt.comp.os.windows-8 for example, or
>>> alt.nl.os.windows8...
>
> There are more Windows Tweakers in COLA then those Windows groups William.
>
>> Yes, this looks like a troll. I don't use Windows, let alone windows 8.
>> If he posted something about Enlightenment or KDE I would be
>> interrested ;)
>
> Yes, a *troll* who has been using and advocating GNU/Linux for 12 years
> and still is running GNU/Linux dualboot with Windows 8 on his main rig
> and exclusively running GNU/Linux on 2 more machines in his apartment.
>
> I made the "mistake" for liking Windows 8 and being *honest* about it
> and now all of a sudden I am a "troll".
>
> At least I understand now how Philo and Greycloud feel. Write a single
> positive word about - whatever - Microsoft product in COLA and you're
> *toast*.
>
> Whatever...
The herd works to please the herd. You made the mistake of not going with
> Op 22-5-2013 11:23, schreef Melzzzzz:
>
>> On Wed, 22 May 2013 10:18:03 +0100, William Poaster wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> comp.os.linux.advocacy Err, shouldn't Van Lin have posted the above in
>>> a windows group? alt.comp.os.windows-8 for example, or
>>> alt.nl.os.windows8...
>
> There are more Windows Tweakers in COLA then those Windows groups William.
>
>> Yes, this looks like a troll. I don't use Windows, let alone windows 8.
>> If he posted something about Enlightenment or KDE I would be
>> interrested ;)
>
> Yes, a *troll* who has been using and advocating GNU/Linux for 12 years
> and still is running GNU/Linux dualboot with Windows 8 on his main rig
> and exclusively running GNU/Linux on 2 more machines in his apartment.
>
> I made the "mistake" for liking Windows 8 and being *honest* about it
> and now all of a sudden I am a "troll".
>
> At least I understand now how Philo and Greycloud feel. Write a single
> positive word about - whatever - Microsoft product in COLA and you're
> *toast*.
>
> Whatever...
their narrative. Now you are out of the herd and a "troll". Does not matter
how much you like, advocate, or use Linux... you are not loyal to them.
To the herd you are now the enemy.
Do you see the truth in this now?
--
"Actually, I would like to know from Snit exactly how watching movies of
naked people having sex is harmful to children." - Mark S Bilk
Proof: the Stallman cult is repulsive.
chrisv
May 22, 2013, 11:59:56 AM5/22/13
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Melzzzzz wrote:
> Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>
> Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>
>> At least I understand now how Philo and Greycloud feel. Write a single
>> positive word about - whatever - Microsoft product in COLA and you're
>> *toast*.
Oh good grief. That is a *lie*. A "single positive" word my ass.
>> positive word about - whatever - Microsoft product in COLA and you're
>> *toast*.
There's nothing wrong with choosing Windows. Lots of decent,
reasonable people do. But you've going on and on about how great it
is, in a Linux advocacy group. You've also been having friendly
chit-chats with trolling scum, while attacking advocates.
>You are not toast, you just made flame bait. This is advocacy
>group after all...
"Philo" and "Greycloud" feel will get you labeled a troll...
--
"They are all liars. I've had many issues with linux in just this
year alone. And I'm just about ready to toss out the junk off of my
computer. All it is is hobbyware." - some piece of shit that calls
itself "GreyCloud"
Snit
May 22, 2013, 12:21:20 PM5/22/13
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On 5/22/13 8:59 AM, in article ccqpp89c66dlujnd9...@4ax.com,
I am very pro-Linux and open source. Linux is all I use for my web servers
and what I suggest to everyone I know who sets up a server and has such a
choice. It is a great choice - often the best - for many other server tasks.
I know of nothing better for embedded devices. It works well on portable
devices. There are even times when it is an appropriate choice on the
desktop and even when it is not I often suggest open source tools on
alternate OSs.
But I am not 100% all for Linux all the time everywhere.
So I am deemed a "troll". Does not matter how pro-Linux and open source and
choice I am.
> There's nothing wrong with choosing Windows. Lots of decent, reasonable
> people do. But you've going on and on about how great it is, in a Linux
> advocacy group. You've also been having friendly chit-chats with trolling
> scum, while attacking advocates.
Ah, the ol' you talk to "them". You are not inclusive. You refuse to follow
the rules of the herd.
Yes: the herd must stick to speaking only to the herd, or when they break
that they must be very careful in how they do so. The herd does not tolerate
non-compliance. Break their rules a few time and you are no longer of the
herd, you are a "troll".
Can you redeem yourself? I do not know. But if you beg enough maybe the herd
will accept you again. Maybe not.
>> You are not toast, you just made flame bait. This is advocacy
>> group after all...
>
> Saying shit like you understand now how (filthy lying assholes)
> "Philo" and "Greycloud" feel will get you labeled a troll...
Right: you cannot show human feelings and be a part of the herd. You cannot
show you understand how people who the herd target as "trolls" feel. That is
not acceptable. You must show no dissent with these things the herd lies
about.
It is amazing to watch.
--
"Maybe it wouldn't be quite as good, but we would all be okay."
- Richard Stallman, speaking about if his ideas were followed
"chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Melzzzzz wrote:
>
>> Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>>
>>> At least I understand now how Philo and Greycloud feel. Write a single
>>> positive word about - whatever - Microsoft product in COLA and you're
>>> *toast*.
>
> Oh good grief. That is a *lie*. A "single positive" word my ass.
Oh, it is an exaggeration but the general concept is absolutely true.
> Melzzzzz wrote:
>
>> Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>>
>>> At least I understand now how Philo and Greycloud feel. Write a single
>>> positive word about - whatever - Microsoft product in COLA and you're
>>> *toast*.
>
> Oh good grief. That is a *lie*. A "single positive" word my ass.
I am very pro-Linux and open source. Linux is all I use for my web servers
and what I suggest to everyone I know who sets up a server and has such a
choice. It is a great choice - often the best - for many other server tasks.
I know of nothing better for embedded devices. It works well on portable
devices. There are even times when it is an appropriate choice on the
desktop and even when it is not I often suggest open source tools on
alternate OSs.
But I am not 100% all for Linux all the time everywhere.
So I am deemed a "troll". Does not matter how pro-Linux and open source and
choice I am.
> There's nothing wrong with choosing Windows. Lots of decent, reasonable
> people do. But you've going on and on about how great it is, in a Linux
> advocacy group. You've also been having friendly chit-chats with trolling
> scum, while attacking advocates.
the rules of the herd.
Yes: the herd must stick to speaking only to the herd, or when they break
that they must be very careful in how they do so. The herd does not tolerate
non-compliance. Break their rules a few time and you are no longer of the
herd, you are a "troll".
Can you redeem yourself? I do not know. But if you beg enough maybe the herd
will accept you again. Maybe not.
>> You are not toast, you just made flame bait. This is advocacy
>> group after all...
>
> Saying shit like you understand now how (filthy lying assholes)
> "Philo" and "Greycloud" feel will get you labeled a troll...
show you understand how people who the herd target as "trolls" feel. That is
not acceptable. You must show no dissent with these things the herd lies
about.
It is amazing to watch.
--
"Maybe it wouldn't be quite as good, but we would all be okay."
- Richard Stallman, speaking about if his ideas were followed
GreyCloud
May 22, 2013, 12:56:49 PM5/22/13
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And in this ng, advocacy is just about nil. It is more of a cult than
anything else.
GreyCloud
May 22, 2013, 12:57:16 PM5/22/13
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GreyCloud
May 22, 2013, 12:58:44 PM5/22/13
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On 5/22/2013 6:21 AM, Marti Van Lin wrote:
> Op 22-5-2013 10:11, schreef Peter Köhlmann:
Well, that is just him... if it isn't branded as Linux, then it is ugly
in his mind.
> Op 22-5-2013 10:11, schreef Peter Köhlmann:
in his mind.
GreyCloud
May 22, 2013, 12:59:02 PM5/22/13
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Snit
May 22, 2013, 1:00:29 PM5/22/13
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On 5/22/13 7:54 AM, in article knim6b$ak7$2...@news.albasani.net, "Melzzzzz"
about that?
Ah. Because what he posts are attacks and insults. He lashes out at the
competition and shows he is obsessed with trying to make them look bad.
So *that* is OK in your book. You can post about other OSs and the companies
that make them as long as you are *attacking* those OSs.
>> At least I understand now how Philo and Greycloud feel. Write a single
>> positive word about - whatever - Microsoft product in COLA and you're
>> *toast*.
>
> You are not toast, you just made flame bait. This is advocacy
> group after all...
No, this is not an advocacy group... this is a group where the COLA "herd"
looks for validation from the rest of the cult-like group and others of us
stand around laughing. :)
--
"It is often hard to persuade the developers of one component to do what
improves the system as a whole rather than what will make their own
component more useful and successful." -- Richard Stallman
<m...@zzzzz.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 14:58:15 +0200, Marti Van Lin wrote:
>
>> Op 22-5-2013 11:23, schreef Melzzzzz:
>>
>>> Yes, this looks like a troll. I don't use Windows, let alone windows 8.
>>> If he posted something about Enlightenment or KDE I would be
>>> interrested ;)
>>
>> Yes, a *troll* who has been using and advocating GNU/Linux for 12 years
>> and still is running GNU/Linux dualboot with Windows 8 on his main rig
>> and exclusively running GNU/Linux on 2 more machines in his apartment.
>>
>> I made the "mistake" for liking Windows 8 and being *honest* about it
>> and now all of a sudden I am a "troll".
>
> Well, this is Linux advocacy group. Why post about Windows in it?
Why does RonB post about OS X and Apple so often? Why don't you question him
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 14:58:15 +0200, Marti Van Lin wrote:
>
>> Op 22-5-2013 11:23, schreef Melzzzzz:
>>
>>> Yes, this looks like a troll. I don't use Windows, let alone windows 8.
>>> If he posted something about Enlightenment or KDE I would be
>>> interrested ;)
>>
>> Yes, a *troll* who has been using and advocating GNU/Linux for 12 years
>> and still is running GNU/Linux dualboot with Windows 8 on his main rig
>> and exclusively running GNU/Linux on 2 more machines in his apartment.
>>
>> I made the "mistake" for liking Windows 8 and being *honest* about it
>> and now all of a sudden I am a "troll".
>
> Well, this is Linux advocacy group. Why post about Windows in it?
about that?
Ah. Because what he posts are attacks and insults. He lashes out at the
competition and shows he is obsessed with trying to make them look bad.
So *that* is OK in your book. You can post about other OSs and the companies
that make them as long as you are *attacking* those OSs.
>> At least I understand now how Philo and Greycloud feel. Write a single
>> positive word about - whatever - Microsoft product in COLA and you're
>> *toast*.
>
> You are not toast, you just made flame bait. This is advocacy
> group after all...
looks for validation from the rest of the cult-like group and others of us
stand around laughing. :)
--
"It is often hard to persuade the developers of one component to do what
improves the system as a whole rather than what will make their own
component more useful and successful." -- Richard Stallman
Snit
May 22, 2013, 1:01:54 PM5/22/13
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On 5/22/13 9:58 AM, in article _56dnZd4KZHNZAHM...@bresnan.com,
>> Op 22-5-2013 10:11, schreef Peter K�hlmann:
He also thinks that the inconsistencies in the UIs of Linux distros are fine
even without a context change but the UI inconsistencies *with* a context
change in Windows 8 are somehow worse.
He really is quite clueless.
--
Bilk pushes fictions offensive to the victim of 9-11, as discussed in detail
here: <http://bit.ly/Y741mf>. Given Bilk's running from those comments there
is no reason to think he believes his claims are true. He is simply mocking
a horrible event.
>> Op 22-5-2013 10:11, schreef Peter K�hlmann:
even without a context change but the UI inconsistencies *with* a context
change in Windows 8 are somehow worse.
He really is quite clueless.
--
Bilk pushes fictions offensive to the victim of 9-11, as discussed in detail
here: <http://bit.ly/Y741mf>. Given Bilk's running from those comments there
is no reason to think he believes his claims are true. He is simply mocking
a horrible event.
flatfish+++
May 22, 2013, 1:27:05 PM5/22/13
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To the point where they have to invent conspiracy theories that
attempt to explain away the fact that a person has left the herd and
no longer drinks the Koolaide.
With the herd, there is no disagreement.
You either follow their mantra 100 percent or you are the enemy.
Chris Ahlstrom knows this so even when he does make a minor criticism
of Linux, FOSS etc, he does so as if walking on eggshells so as not
to offend anyone.
BTW, I disagree with Marti on the tiles interface. For a standard
desktop it's horrible and Peter is correct as well that it is really
2 distinct environments relating to the conventional desktop and the
Tiles interface.
For a phone or tablet Tiles is actually pretty nice.
But it's a stinker for a desktop.
--
flatfish+++
PLEASE VISIT OUR HALL OF LINUX IDIOTS:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
JEDIDIAH
May 22, 2013, 1:18:05 PM5/22/13
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On 2013-05-22, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Melzzzzz wrote:
>
>> Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>>
>>> At least I understand now how Philo and Greycloud feel. Write a single
>>> positive word about - whatever - Microsoft product in COLA and you're
>>> *toast*.
It's almost as if you've stumbled into a place likely to be filled with
> Melzzzzz wrote:
>
>> Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>>
>>> At least I understand now how Philo and Greycloud feel. Write a single
>>> positive word about - whatever - Microsoft product in COLA and you're
>>> *toast*.
people that have had such bad experiences with Windows that they have taken
positive steps to avoid it.
>
> Oh good grief. That is a *lie*. A "single positive" word my ass.
>
> There's nothing wrong with choosing Windows. Lots of decent,
> reasonable people do. But you've going on and on about how great it
> is, in a Linux advocacy group. You've also been having friendly
> chit-chats with trolling scum, while attacking advocates.
>
>>You are not toast, you just made flame bait. This is advocacy
>>group after all...
>
> Saying shit like you understand now how (filthy lying assholes)
> "Philo" and "Greycloud" feel will get you labeled a troll...
>
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Snit
May 22, 2013, 1:33:57 PM5/22/13
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On 5/22/13 10:27 AM, in article 1o76k9ec76tbv$.gh2l6yxx8txd$.d...@40tude.net,
"flatfish+++" <phlat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
...
> With the herd, there is no disagreement.
> You either follow their mantra 100 percent or you are the enemy.
Well, they can have some token disagreements... and if you have been a part
of their cult-like group long enough you can even stop out of line and do
things like call Google out on not allowing its partners to sell devices
with Aliyun OS, as Homer did. Then again, notice how quickly he dropped his
deep anger over that *current* practice and went back to the herd line of
insisting Microsoft must be blocking OEMs from selling devices with Linux
*even though they do*!
In other words, Homer was able to get away with being honest for a bit
because he has been such a key member of the herd for so long *and* he
quickly got back in line with the herd lies.
> Chris Ahlstrom knows this so even when he does make a minor criticism
> of Linux, FOSS etc, he does so as if walking on eggshells so as not
> to offend anyone.
Yes. He is not as brave as Homer... he has no morals of his own.
> BTW, I disagree with Marti on the tiles interface. For a standard
> desktop it's horrible and Peter is correct as well that it is really
> 2 distinct environments relating to the conventional desktop and the
> Tiles interface.
If you see my response I say much the same. I think the new Win 8 UI is a
horrible mistake, though at least MS has a context change between the two
UIs. Still does not excuse it for the mess it is.
> For a phone or tablet Tiles is actually pretty nice.
> But it's a stinker for a desktop.
And combining it with the old desktop... makes no sense. And rumor has it
even MS has figured this out.
--
"The Underground Marshmallow People do exist ..." -- Mark Bilk
[OK, just having a little fun with this quote]
"flatfish+++" <phlat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
...
>>> At least I understand now how Philo and Greycloud feel. Write a single
>>> positive word about - whatever - Microsoft product in COLA and you're
>>> *toast*.
>>>
>>> Whatever...
>>
>> The herd works to please the herd. You made the mistake of not going with
>> their narrative. Now you are out of the herd and a "troll". Does not matter
>> how much you like, advocate, or use Linux... you are not loyal to them.
>>
>> To the herd you are now the enemy.
>>
>> Do you see the truth in this now?
>
> This is what scares spineless people like Chris Ahlstrom so much.
> To the point where they have to invent conspiracy theories that
> attempt to explain away the fact that a person has left the herd and
> no longer drinks the Koolaide.
Yes.
>>> positive word about - whatever - Microsoft product in COLA and you're
>>> *toast*.
>>>
>>> Whatever...
>>
>> The herd works to please the herd. You made the mistake of not going with
>> their narrative. Now you are out of the herd and a "troll". Does not matter
>> how much you like, advocate, or use Linux... you are not loyal to them.
>>
>> To the herd you are now the enemy.
>>
>> Do you see the truth in this now?
>
> This is what scares spineless people like Chris Ahlstrom so much.
> To the point where they have to invent conspiracy theories that
> attempt to explain away the fact that a person has left the herd and
> no longer drinks the Koolaide.
> With the herd, there is no disagreement.
> You either follow their mantra 100 percent or you are the enemy.
of their cult-like group long enough you can even stop out of line and do
things like call Google out on not allowing its partners to sell devices
with Aliyun OS, as Homer did. Then again, notice how quickly he dropped his
deep anger over that *current* practice and went back to the herd line of
insisting Microsoft must be blocking OEMs from selling devices with Linux
*even though they do*!
In other words, Homer was able to get away with being honest for a bit
because he has been such a key member of the herd for so long *and* he
quickly got back in line with the herd lies.
> Chris Ahlstrom knows this so even when he does make a minor criticism
> of Linux, FOSS etc, he does so as if walking on eggshells so as not
> to offend anyone.
> BTW, I disagree with Marti on the tiles interface. For a standard
> desktop it's horrible and Peter is correct as well that it is really
> 2 distinct environments relating to the conventional desktop and the
> Tiles interface.
horrible mistake, though at least MS has a context change between the two
UIs. Still does not excuse it for the mess it is.
> For a phone or tablet Tiles is actually pretty nice.
> But it's a stinker for a desktop.
even MS has figured this out.
--
"The Underground Marshmallow People do exist ..." -- Mark Bilk
[OK, just having a little fun with this quote]
Snit
May 22, 2013, 1:38:35 PM5/22/13
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On 5/22/13 10:18 AM, in article slrnkppve...@nomad.mishnet, "JEDIDIAH"
But there is a key component important in what you say - is the only thing
drawing people to desktop Linux is that it is not Windows... and that it is
only appealing to people who have had "such bad experiences with Windows".
If that is best you can say about desktop Linux that is a sad, sad
commentary on its value.
<je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
> On 2013-05-22, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>
>>> Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> At least I understand now how Philo and Greycloud feel. Write a single
>>>> positive word about - whatever - Microsoft product in COLA and you're
>>>> *toast*.
>
> It's almost as if you've stumbled into a place likely to be filled with
> people that have had such bad experiences with Windows that they have taken
> positive steps to avoid it.
And avoid learning about it or the competition.
> On 2013-05-22, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Melzzzzz wrote:
>>
>>> Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> At least I understand now how Philo and Greycloud feel. Write a single
>>>> positive word about - whatever - Microsoft product in COLA and you're
>>>> *toast*.
>
> It's almost as if you've stumbled into a place likely to be filled with
> people that have had such bad experiences with Windows that they have taken
> positive steps to avoid it.
But there is a key component important in what you say - is the only thing
drawing people to desktop Linux is that it is not Windows... and that it is
only appealing to people who have had "such bad experiences with Windows".
If that is best you can say about desktop Linux that is a sad, sad
commentary on its value.
Lusotec
May 22, 2013, 2:35:43 PM5/22/13
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Marti Van Lin wrote:
> Many seasoned Windows users dislike Windows 8 because of the not so
> beautiful MetroUI,
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
> which gives the illusion you are working with two distinct desktop
> environments.
There is no illusion!
Windows 8 has two separate user interfaces, one is mouse & keyboard oriented
and the other is touch oriented.
Having two interfaces is not a problem. Using a touch UI on touch devices
and a mouse & keyboard UI on desktops makes perfect sense and seeing that
Windows 8 targets both classes of devices it is logical to have both UIs.
The problem is when a touch UI is used in a desktop or a mouse & keyboard UI
is used in a touch device. Even worse is mixing and changing between the two
UIs without reason and the two UI simple do not work well together.
> It was a matter of time for a independent developer to create a tool to
> make the Windows 8 experience more consistent.
Changing the background of the start screen to match the classic desktop
background does not improve Windows 8 consistency in any significant way.
Windows 8 has two UI with very district styles, layouts, colors, shortcut
keys, behaviours, and even the windows management is separate. There is no
consistency between the two UIs. What is worse is that desktop application
and touch applications simply do not work well together. Try multitasking
between a desktop application (e.g. a text editor) and a touch application
side by side (e.g. browser). The constant switching back and forward is a
real pain and a serious productivity impairment.
By contrast, KDE and Gnome applications have the same style, same layouts,
same widgets types, same behaviour, same windows decorations and same
windows management. With a bit of configuration widgets, colors, icons and
shortcut keys can be made the same making KDE and Gnome applications near
indistinguishable by their look & feel.
> Introducing: Windows 8 Start Screen Customizer:
>
> http://vhanla.deviantart.com/art/Windows-8-Start-Screen-Customizer-v1-3
> -beta-337308916
>
> Choose your favorite picture as background for your Start screen,
> eventually use a blur effect. Eventually make the tiles transparent.
>
> Using the same picture as your Start screen background as well as your
> desktop background and adding some opacity to the tiles gives a very
> nice, consistent and eye-catching effect.
Do you really think most people that don't like how Windows new UI looks
will change their minds just from changing the background and adding some
transparency?
> If you are a Windows 8 user, I sugest you download it (it's Gratis!) and
> experiment a bit with it, have fun making Windows 8 look Sexy!
To me sexy is nice round voluptuous curves with a nice color pallete.
Rectangular shapes, sharp corners and a color pallete all over the place
just does not do it for me, whatever the background.
Regards.
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Marti Van Lin wrote:
> Many seasoned Windows users dislike Windows 8 because of the not so
> beautiful MetroUI,
> which gives the illusion you are working with two distinct desktop
> environments.
Windows 8 has two separate user interfaces, one is mouse & keyboard oriented
and the other is touch oriented.
Having two interfaces is not a problem. Using a touch UI on touch devices
and a mouse & keyboard UI on desktops makes perfect sense and seeing that
Windows 8 targets both classes of devices it is logical to have both UIs.
The problem is when a touch UI is used in a desktop or a mouse & keyboard UI
is used in a touch device. Even worse is mixing and changing between the two
UIs without reason and the two UI simple do not work well together.
> It was a matter of time for a independent developer to create a tool to
> make the Windows 8 experience more consistent.
background does not improve Windows 8 consistency in any significant way.
Windows 8 has two UI with very district styles, layouts, colors, shortcut
keys, behaviours, and even the windows management is separate. There is no
consistency between the two UIs. What is worse is that desktop application
and touch applications simply do not work well together. Try multitasking
between a desktop application (e.g. a text editor) and a touch application
side by side (e.g. browser). The constant switching back and forward is a
real pain and a serious productivity impairment.
By contrast, KDE and Gnome applications have the same style, same layouts,
same widgets types, same behaviour, same windows decorations and same
windows management. With a bit of configuration widgets, colors, icons and
shortcut keys can be made the same making KDE and Gnome applications near
indistinguishable by their look & feel.
> Introducing: Windows 8 Start Screen Customizer:
>
> http://vhanla.deviantart.com/art/Windows-8-Start-Screen-Customizer-v1-3
> -beta-337308916
>
> Choose your favorite picture as background for your Start screen,
> eventually use a blur effect. Eventually make the tiles transparent.
>
> Using the same picture as your Start screen background as well as your
> desktop background and adding some opacity to the tiles gives a very
> nice, consistent and eye-catching effect.
will change their minds just from changing the background and adding some
transparency?
> If you are a Windows 8 user, I sugest you download it (it's Gratis!) and
> experiment a bit with it, have fun making Windows 8 look Sexy!
Rectangular shapes, sharp corners and a color pallete all over the place
just does not do it for me, whatever the background.
Regards.
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Tattoo Vampire
May 22, 2013, 7:02:40 PM5/22/13
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Marti Van Lin <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> wrote:
> If you are a Windows 8 user, I sugest you download it (it's Gratis!) and
> experiment a bit with it, have fun making Windows 8 look Sexy!
Blah... I just use Start8 ($5 USD) and boot straight to the desktop. Got back
> experiment a bit with it, have fun making Windows 8 look Sexy!
a Win7 style start menu, too.
Marti Van Lin
May 23, 2013, 5:53:17 AM5/23/13
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Op 23-5-2013 01:02, schreef Tattoo Vampire:
Good for you handsome, if that's what works for you.
There is also a Free (GPL) solution available that does exactly the same
as Start8:
http://www.classicshell.net/
To each his own, I *Love* ModernUI especially after tweaking it with
There is also a Free (GPL) solution available that does exactly the same
as Start8:
http://www.classicshell.net/
To each his own, I *Love* ModernUI especially after tweaking it with
Windows 8 Start Screen Customizer.
All the best dude!
Marti Van Lin
May 23, 2013, 6:47:33 AM5/23/13
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Op 22-5-2013 20:35, schreef Lusotec:
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> Marti Van Lin wrote:
>> Many seasoned Windows users dislike Windows 8 because of the not so
>> beautiful MetroUI,
>
> Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Agreed.
>> which gives the illusion you are working with two distinct desktop
>> environments.
>
> There is no illusion!
Yes it is, like I wrote before, using Windows 8 Start Screen Customizer,
I came to the conclusion that ModernUI is *nothing but* another layer on
top of the "DesktopUI".
> Windows 8 has two separate user interfaces, one is mouse & keyboard oriented
> and the other is touch oriented.
No it isn't, ModernUI can be easily operated with a Keyboard and mouse
as well.
http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-57390299-285/23-new-keyboard-shortcuts-for-windows-8/
> Having two interfaces is not a problem. Using a touch UI on touch devices
> and a mouse & keyboard UI on desktops makes perfect sense and seeing that
> Windows 8 targets both classes of devices it is logical to have both UIs.
ModernUI works fine with a keyboard and mouse, like I wrote before.
> The problem is when a touch UI is used in a desktop or a mouse & keyboard UI
> is used in a touch device. Even worse is mixing and changing between the two
> UIs without reason and the two UI simple do not work well together.
And again... ModernUI works fine with a keyboard and mouse and beside
that Logitech already provides a cheap touch device for desktops:
http://www.logitech.com/nl-nl/product/touchpad-t650
I'm using it and it works like a charm.
Yes I do. By using this Gratis tool you are able to make your Windows 8
environment more consistent, which is great IMHO.
>> If you are a Windows 8 user, I sugest you download it (it's Gratis!) and
>> experiment a bit with it, have fun making Windows 8 look Sexy!
>
> To me sexy is nice round voluptuous curves with a nice color pallete.
> Rectangular shapes, sharp corners and a color pallete all over the place
> just does not do it for me, whatever the background.
To me sexy is the classic MacOS X environment with the beautiful "Aqua"
theme and its rounded buttons, Windows 7 "Aero Glass" and former
implementations of KDE4 with it's sexy "Air" theme, until they screwed
it up in KDE 4.10.x
Anyway, I have a more consistent Windows 8 environment now, that does it
for me *happy*
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> Marti Van Lin wrote:
>> Many seasoned Windows users dislike Windows 8 because of the not so
>> beautiful MetroUI,
>
> Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
>> which gives the illusion you are working with two distinct desktop
>> environments.
>
> There is no illusion!
I came to the conclusion that ModernUI is *nothing but* another layer on
top of the "DesktopUI".
> Windows 8 has two separate user interfaces, one is mouse & keyboard oriented
> and the other is touch oriented.
as well.
http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-57390299-285/23-new-keyboard-shortcuts-for-windows-8/
> Having two interfaces is not a problem. Using a touch UI on touch devices
> and a mouse & keyboard UI on desktops makes perfect sense and seeing that
> Windows 8 targets both classes of devices it is logical to have both UIs.
> The problem is when a touch UI is used in a desktop or a mouse & keyboard UI
> is used in a touch device. Even worse is mixing and changing between the two
> UIs without reason and the two UI simple do not work well together.
that Logitech already provides a cheap touch device for desktops:
http://www.logitech.com/nl-nl/product/touchpad-t650
I'm using it and it works like a charm.
environment more consistent, which is great IMHO.
>> If you are a Windows 8 user, I sugest you download it (it's Gratis!) and
>> experiment a bit with it, have fun making Windows 8 look Sexy!
>
> To me sexy is nice round voluptuous curves with a nice color pallete.
> Rectangular shapes, sharp corners and a color pallete all over the place
> just does not do it for me, whatever the background.
theme and its rounded buttons, Windows 7 "Aero Glass" and former
implementations of KDE4 with it's sexy "Air" theme, until they screwed
it up in KDE 4.10.x
Anyway, I have a more consistent Windows 8 environment now, that does it
for me *happy*
> Regards.
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Tattoo Vampire
May 23, 2013, 8:15:35 AM5/23/13
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Marti Van Lin <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> wrote:
> All the best dude!
Back atcha. Choice is good. :-P
flatfish+++
May 23, 2013, 8:18:07 AM5/23/13
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Hadron
May 23, 2013, 9:16:21 AM5/23/13
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declared "technical genius" in Lusotec. He knows enough to hang himself
and little enough to demonstrate it time and time again. Facts dont
appeal to people like him - its what he *thinks* that is important since
he's so convinced he *must* be right. Millions of others denying his
rabid claims or even pointing him to links which prove him to be wrong
make no difference. Like most "advocates" he'll just continue to scream
falshoods - must like wRonG does all the time.
--
A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to pretend to be a Linux
user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0), User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
(Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>
Hadron
May 23, 2013, 9:17:06 AM5/23/13
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competent solutions.
Snit
May 23, 2013, 11:20:51 AM5/23/13
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On 5/23/13 3:47 AM, in article knks45$v01$1...@news.albasani.net, "Marti Van
Good to see.
--
"Linux desktop is why I got into Linux in the first place. I mean, I
Lin" <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> wrote:
>>> If you are a Windows 8 user, I sugest you download it (it's Gratis!) and
>>> experiment a bit with it, have fun making Windows 8 look Sexy!
>>
>> To me sexy is nice round voluptuous curves with a nice color pallete.
>> Rectangular shapes, sharp corners and a color pallete all over the place
>> just does not do it for me, whatever the background.
>
> To me sexy is the classic MacOS X environment with the beautiful "Aqua"
> theme and its rounded buttons, Windows 7 "Aero Glass" and former
> implementations of KDE4 with it's sexy "Air" theme, until they screwed
> it up in KDE 4.10.x
>
> Anyway, I have a more consistent Windows 8 environment now, that does it
> for me *happy*
Wow... you are now even joining me in speaking of how consistency matters.
>>> If you are a Windows 8 user, I sugest you download it (it's Gratis!) and
>>> experiment a bit with it, have fun making Windows 8 look Sexy!
>>
>> To me sexy is nice round voluptuous curves with a nice color pallete.
>> Rectangular shapes, sharp corners and a color pallete all over the place
>> just does not do it for me, whatever the background.
>
> To me sexy is the classic MacOS X environment with the beautiful "Aqua"
> theme and its rounded buttons, Windows 7 "Aero Glass" and former
> implementations of KDE4 with it's sexy "Air" theme, until they screwed
> it up in KDE 4.10.x
>
> Anyway, I have a more consistent Windows 8 environment now, that does it
> for me *happy*
Good to see.
--
"Linux desktop is why I got into Linux in the first place. I mean, I
Cola Zealot
May 23, 2013, 11:29:59 AM5/23/13
to
turdv wrote:
> Melzzzzz wrote:
>
>> Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>>
>>> At least I understand now how Philo and Greycloud feel. Write a
>>> single positive word about - whatever - Microsoft product in COLA
>>> and you're *toast*.
>
> Oh good grief.
Yes, you're a fithy turd, live with it!
> Melzzzzz wrote:
>
>> Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>>
>>> At least I understand now how Philo and Greycloud feel. Write a
>>> single positive word about - whatever - Microsoft product in COLA
>>> and you're *toast*.
>
> Oh good grief.
http://bayimg.com/kalndaaEE
Snit
May 23, 2013, 11:34:51 AM5/23/13
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On 5/23/13 6:16 AM, in article ci8v356...@news.eternal-september.org,
games. I know this will bring up old wounds, but just some examples of his
nonsense:
* Lusotec claimed I was wrong about Apple's ownership rights in terms of
WebKit, but when I listed the specific ones I believed they had he
never could say which was wrong... he just said I was a liar to claim
Apple had those rights.
* Lusotec denied a small set of numbers far from the average could affect
the average. When called out on this he moved goal posts to a comment
of mine where I noted this *might* be happening given the data that
had been shown in COLA at the time. Once more data was shown and it
was made clear this was not the case, I openly acknowledged this. To
Lusotec this makes me a liar... and he ignores his own ignorant claims.
* Lusotec denies that Google blocked Asus from selling Aliyun OS even
though they openly admitted to it in a public statement.
* Lusotec insisted that the terms kernel.org refer to the Linux kernel
as are a sign that they are "dumb" and that they have no idea what
they are talking about. For me to say that a case can be made for them
to be considered correct somehow makes me equally as "dumb". Yeah,
Lusotec thinks he knows more about what Linux is than kernel.org and
Linus Torvalds.
I am sure there are others I am forgetting. He really is a piece of work.
> He knows enough to hang himself and little enough to demonstrate it time and
> time again. Facts dont appeal to people like him - its what he *thinks* that
> is important since he's so convinced he *must* be right.
Absolutely correct.
> Millions of others denying his rabid claims or even pointing him to links
> which prove him to be wrong make no difference. Like most "advocates" he'll
> just continue to scream falshoods - must like wRonG does all the time.
Yes. It was good to see Marti speak highly of "consistency" today... though
to RonB this means he must be "anti-choice". Insanity.
"Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The problem is when a touch UI is used in a desktop or a mouse & keyboard UI
>>> is used in a touch device. Even worse is mixing and changing between the two
>>> UIs without reason and the two UI simple do not work well together.
>>
>> And again... ModernUI works fine with a keyboard and mouse and beside that
>> Logitech already provides a cheap touch device for desktops:
>>
>> http://www.logitech.com/nl-nl/product/touchpad-t650
>>
>> I'm using it and it works like a charm.
>
> You must remember you're dealing with a very self absorbed, self
> declared "technical genius" in Lusotec.
Absolutely. And he makes absurd arguments which are nothing but semantic
>>> The problem is when a touch UI is used in a desktop or a mouse & keyboard UI
>>> is used in a touch device. Even worse is mixing and changing between the two
>>> UIs without reason and the two UI simple do not work well together.
>>
>> And again... ModernUI works fine with a keyboard and mouse and beside that
>> Logitech already provides a cheap touch device for desktops:
>>
>> http://www.logitech.com/nl-nl/product/touchpad-t650
>>
>> I'm using it and it works like a charm.
>
> You must remember you're dealing with a very self absorbed, self
> declared "technical genius" in Lusotec.
games. I know this will bring up old wounds, but just some examples of his
nonsense:
* Lusotec claimed I was wrong about Apple's ownership rights in terms of
WebKit, but when I listed the specific ones I believed they had he
never could say which was wrong... he just said I was a liar to claim
Apple had those rights.
* Lusotec denied a small set of numbers far from the average could affect
the average. When called out on this he moved goal posts to a comment
of mine where I noted this *might* be happening given the data that
had been shown in COLA at the time. Once more data was shown and it
was made clear this was not the case, I openly acknowledged this. To
Lusotec this makes me a liar... and he ignores his own ignorant claims.
* Lusotec denies that Google blocked Asus from selling Aliyun OS even
though they openly admitted to it in a public statement.
* Lusotec insisted that the terms kernel.org refer to the Linux kernel
as are a sign that they are "dumb" and that they have no idea what
they are talking about. For me to say that a case can be made for them
to be considered correct somehow makes me equally as "dumb". Yeah,
Lusotec thinks he knows more about what Linux is than kernel.org and
Linus Torvalds.
I am sure there are others I am forgetting. He really is a piece of work.
> He knows enough to hang himself and little enough to demonstrate it time and
> time again. Facts dont appeal to people like him - its what he *thinks* that
> is important since he's so convinced he *must* be right.
> Millions of others denying his rabid claims or even pointing him to links
> which prove him to be wrong make no difference. Like most "advocates" he'll
> just continue to scream falshoods - must like wRonG does all the time.
to RonB this means he must be "anti-choice". Insanity.
Snit
May 23, 2013, 11:34:59 AM5/23/13
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On 5/23/13 5:18 AM, in article 1ju0mf3m5khy.1vmq7lfo0grfl$.d...@40tude.net,
--
"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children."
-- Richard Stallman
"flatfish+++" <phlat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 May 2013 12:15:35 +0000 (UTC), Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>
>> Marti Van Lin <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> All the best dude!
>>
>> Back atcha. Choice is good. :-P
>
> I agree.
Absolutely.
> On Thu, 23 May 2013 12:15:35 +0000 (UTC), Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>
>> Marti Van Lin <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> All the best dude!
>>
>> Back atcha. Choice is good. :-P
>
> I agree.
--
"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children."
-- Richard Stallman
Marti Van Lin
May 23, 2013, 1:00:09 PM5/23/13
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Op 23-5-2013 15:16, schreef Hadron:
Meh. . do you think I want to be part of that restarted bunch any
longer? Have you missed I'm a "WinTroll�" now, all of a sudden? Do you
think I give a flying fsck what [H]omer and his silly slaves think or
write about me?
I Love Windows 8, what's your excuse (hehe) ;-)
longer? Have you missed I'm a "WinTroll�" now, all of a sudden? Do you
think I give a flying fsck what [H]omer and his silly slaves think or
write about me?
I Love Windows 8, what's your excuse (hehe) ;-)
GreyCloud
May 23, 2013, 2:38:31 PM5/23/13
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All of a sudden I get called a wintroll, and before that I was
advocating Linux since around 1998. At the time I had Caldera Linux,
which I thought was pretty good. Then Caldera was bought out by SCO.
Oh, I was in good stead back then. Now I'm considered to be too old and
shouldn't be here anymore. The worst offender of the bunch is chrisv.
Cola Zealot
May 23, 2013, 4:23:52 PM5/23/13
to
Linux and OSX are his hobby's, with Windows he earns his daily bread.
Turdv was never a Linux user, nor a Linux advocate.
turdv: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 (Windows only)
Meet the turd - turdv: http://bayimg.com/kalndaaEE
Lusotec
May 23, 2013, 6:03:05 PM5/23/13
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Marti Van Lin wrote:
Hash: SHA256
Marti Van Lin wrote:
> Lusotec wrote:
>> Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>> Many seasoned Windows users dislike Windows 8 because of the not so
>>> beautiful MetroUI,
>>
>> Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
>
> Agreed.
>
>>> which gives the illusion you are working with two distinct desktop
>>> environments.
>>
>> There is no illusion!
>
> Yes it is, like I wrote before, using Windows 8 Start Screen Customizer,
> I came to the conclusion that ModernUI is *nothing but* another layer on
> top of the "DesktopUI".
First, your conclusion is very likely incorrect.
>> Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>> Many seasoned Windows users dislike Windows 8 because of the not so
>>> beautiful MetroUI,
>>
>> Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
>
> Agreed.
>
>>> which gives the illusion you are working with two distinct desktop
>>> environments.
>>
>> There is no illusion!
>
> Yes it is, like I wrote before, using Windows 8 Start Screen Customizer,
> I came to the conclusion that ModernUI is *nothing but* another layer on
> top of the "DesktopUI".
The ModernUI does not behave as another layer on top of the DesktopUI. It
seems to be the opposite. The DesktopUI behaves as a ModernUI window, or in
your words, the DesktopUI behaves as a layer on top of the ModernUI.
Evidence for this:
- - The left side thumbnails bar displays thumbnails of each ModernUI window
but does *not* show thumbnails of the desktop applications. It is a
thumbnail of the whole desktop that is displayed. As such the desktop as a
whole is handled as a ModernUI window.
- - ModernUI windows can be displayed full screen or in split screen.
DesktopUI applications can't be displayed in split screen but the desktop
as a whole can. Again, the desktop as a whole is handled as a ModernUI
window.
Second, the ModernUI layered over the DesktopUI or the DesktopUI layered
over the ModernUI, the fact is that there are *two* very distinct UIs.
Denying this *obvious* fact is ridiculous.
>> Windows 8 has two separate user interfaces, one is mouse & keyboard
>> oriented and the other is touch oriented.
>
> No it isn't,
> ModernUI can be easily operated with a Keyboard and mouse as well.
ModernUI. I think it may be actually be easier to operate than the DesktopUI
because the UI is simpler. That said, many features don't have a visible UI
element and can be tricky to discover and remember.
Not that I emphasized using *both* a mouse & keyboard. That is because the
ModernUI applications (at least the ones I used) are problematic to use with
only (or mainly) the keyboard. There is a notorious lack of keyboard
shortcuts for the applications elements and operations. Just try using
ModernUI applications like mail, weather, or the Messaging with just the
keyboard.
For many (most?) people this is not a problem since point & click is their
input preferred method.
I type a lot (e.g. code, commands, emails) and I have a strong preference
for UIs that can be mostly controlled using just the keyboard. I'm much more
productive if I don't have to frequently move my right hand to the mouse.
> http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-57390299-285/23-new-keyboard-
> shortcuts-for-windows-8/
>
>> Having two interfaces is not a problem. Using a touch UI on touch devices
>> and a mouse & keyboard UI on desktops makes perfect sense and seeing that
>> Windows 8 targets both classes of devices it is logical to have both UIs.
>
> ModernUI works fine with a keyboard and mouse, like I wrote before.
>
>> The problem is when a touch UI is used in a desktop or a mouse & keyboard
>> UI is used in a touch device. Even worse is mixing and changing between
>> the two UIs without reason and the two UI simple do not work well
>> together.
>
> And again... ModernUI works fine with a keyboard and mouse and beside
> that Logitech already provides a cheap touch device for desktops:
>
> http://www.logitech.com/nl-nl/product/touchpad-t650
>
> I'm using it and it works like a charm.
Did you use the touchpad with older Windows or other OSs? Or did you buy it
>
>> Having two interfaces is not a problem. Using a touch UI on touch devices
>> and a mouse & keyboard UI on desktops makes perfect sense and seeing that
>> Windows 8 targets both classes of devices it is logical to have both UIs.
>
> ModernUI works fine with a keyboard and mouse, like I wrote before.
>
>> The problem is when a touch UI is used in a desktop or a mouse & keyboard
>> UI is used in a touch device. Even worse is mixing and changing between
>> the two UIs without reason and the two UI simple do not work well
>> together.
>
> And again... ModernUI works fine with a keyboard and mouse and beside
> that Logitech already provides a cheap touch device for desktops:
>
> http://www.logitech.com/nl-nl/product/touchpad-t650
>
> I'm using it and it works like a charm.
to use with Windows 8?
Windows) so it is a bit strange to think that is the reason why so many
people think Windows 8 is ugly.
> By using this Gratis tool you are able to make your Windows 8
> environment more consistent, which is great IMHO.
>
>>> If you are a Windows 8 user, I sugest you download it (it's Gratis!) and
>>> experiment a bit with it, have fun making Windows 8 look Sexy!
>>
>> To me sexy is nice round voluptuous curves with a nice color pallete.
>> Rectangular shapes, sharp corners and a color pallete all over the place
>> just does not do it for me, whatever the background.
>
> To me sexy is the classic MacOS X environment with the beautiful "Aqua"
> theme and its rounded buttons, Windows 7 "Aero Glass" and former
> implementations of KDE4 with it's sexy "Air" theme, until they screwed
> it up in KDE 4.10.x
>
> Anyway, I have a more consistent Windows 8 environment now, that does it
> for me *happy*
Regards.
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Snit
May 23, 2013, 6:45:22 PM5/23/13
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On 5/23/13 3:03 PM, in article knm3f7$fp0$1...@dont-email.me, "Lusotec"
<nom...@nomail.not> wrote:
...
It seems that way to me though.
> Evidence for this:
> - - The left side thumbnails bar displays thumbnails of each ModernUI window
> but does *not* show thumbnails of the desktop applications. It is a
> thumbnail of the whole desktop that is displayed. As such the desktop as a
> whole is handled as a ModernUI window.
>
> - - ModernUI windows can be displayed full screen or in split screen.
> DesktopUI applications can't be displayed in split screen but the desktop
> as a whole can. Again, the desktop as a whole is handled as a ModernUI
> window.
>
> Second, the ModernUI layered over the DesktopUI or the DesktopUI layered
> over the ModernUI, the fact is that there are *two* very distinct UIs.
> Denying this *obvious* fact is ridiculous.
They are very different UIs... but at least MS was smart enough to have a
context change between the two, if not in function (which is what would
actually make sense), they are distinct enough to have a significantly
different feel.
Compare this with desktop Linux where KDE and Gnome apps have the same
chrome and somewhat are the same but then use different terms for the same
things, different menu placements, etc. It is not done well (which is not to
imply Windows 8 is!)
>>> Windows 8 has two separate user interfaces, one is mouse & keyboard
>>> oriented and the other is touch oriented.
>>
>> No it isn't,
>
> What isn't?
The new UI is very much designed for portable / touch use... and the desktop
is clearly designed for mouse use. This does not mean that the desktop
cannot be used on a tablet (though MS tried that for a long time and it did
not do well - the UI is not designed for that), nor does it mean the MetroUI
cannot be used on the desktop - it can, but it is not designed for it and
does not work well there.
In short: the Windows 8 UI is a mess, esp. on the desktop (or laptop).
>> ModernUI can be easily operated with a Keyboard and mouse as well.
>
> I agree, using *both* a mouse & keyboard, it is easy to operate the
> ModernUI. I think it may be actually be easier to operate than the DesktopUI
> because the UI is simpler. That said, many features don't have a visible UI
> element and can be tricky to discover and remember.
It is not nearly as discoverable and is clearly designed for touch use.
> Not that I emphasized using *both* a mouse & keyboard. That is because the
> ModernUI applications (at least the ones I used) are problematic to use with
> only (or mainly) the keyboard. There is a notorious lack of keyboard
> shortcuts for the applications elements and operations. Just try using
> ModernUI applications like mail, weather, or the Messaging with just the
> keyboard.
>
> For many (most?) people this is not a problem since point & click is their
> input preferred method.
Even then, though, I think the ModernUI is a bit of a mess.
> I type a lot (e.g. code, commands, emails) and I have a strong preference
> for UIs that can be mostly controlled using just the keyboard. I'm much more
> productive if I don't have to frequently move my right hand to the mouse.
One of the reasons why desktop Linux would be better if keyboard commands
could be more consistent.
...
--
Bilk is a self-described psychopath who has claimed others control his
actions and that he was hated by his parents, many of his teachers, his
school principal, and the staff at his summer camp.
Bilk should seek professional help for his issues.
<nom...@nomail.not> wrote:
...
>> Yes it is, like I wrote before, using Windows 8 Start Screen Customizer,
>> I came to the conclusion that ModernUI is *nothing but* another layer on
>> top of the "DesktopUI".
>
> First, your conclusion is very likely incorrect.
>
> The ModernUI does not behave as another layer on top of the DesktopUI. It
> seems to be the opposite. The DesktopUI behaves as a ModernUI window, or in
> your words, the DesktopUI behaves as a layer on top of the ModernUI.
That is what I *thought* was going on, but I have not really looked into it.
>> I came to the conclusion that ModernUI is *nothing but* another layer on
>> top of the "DesktopUI".
>
> First, your conclusion is very likely incorrect.
>
> The ModernUI does not behave as another layer on top of the DesktopUI. It
> seems to be the opposite. The DesktopUI behaves as a ModernUI window, or in
> your words, the DesktopUI behaves as a layer on top of the ModernUI.
It seems that way to me though.
> Evidence for this:
> - - The left side thumbnails bar displays thumbnails of each ModernUI window
> but does *not* show thumbnails of the desktop applications. It is a
> thumbnail of the whole desktop that is displayed. As such the desktop as a
> whole is handled as a ModernUI window.
>
> - - ModernUI windows can be displayed full screen or in split screen.
> DesktopUI applications can't be displayed in split screen but the desktop
> as a whole can. Again, the desktop as a whole is handled as a ModernUI
> window.
>
> Second, the ModernUI layered over the DesktopUI or the DesktopUI layered
> over the ModernUI, the fact is that there are *two* very distinct UIs.
> Denying this *obvious* fact is ridiculous.
context change between the two, if not in function (which is what would
actually make sense), they are distinct enough to have a significantly
different feel.
Compare this with desktop Linux where KDE and Gnome apps have the same
chrome and somewhat are the same but then use different terms for the same
things, different menu placements, etc. It is not done well (which is not to
imply Windows 8 is!)
>>> Windows 8 has two separate user interfaces, one is mouse & keyboard
>>> oriented and the other is touch oriented.
>>
>> No it isn't,
>
> What isn't?
is clearly designed for mouse use. This does not mean that the desktop
cannot be used on a tablet (though MS tried that for a long time and it did
not do well - the UI is not designed for that), nor does it mean the MetroUI
cannot be used on the desktop - it can, but it is not designed for it and
does not work well there.
In short: the Windows 8 UI is a mess, esp. on the desktop (or laptop).
>> ModernUI can be easily operated with a Keyboard and mouse as well.
>
> I agree, using *both* a mouse & keyboard, it is easy to operate the
> ModernUI. I think it may be actually be easier to operate than the DesktopUI
> because the UI is simpler. That said, many features don't have a visible UI
> element and can be tricky to discover and remember.
> Not that I emphasized using *both* a mouse & keyboard. That is because the
> ModernUI applications (at least the ones I used) are problematic to use with
> only (or mainly) the keyboard. There is a notorious lack of keyboard
> shortcuts for the applications elements and operations. Just try using
> ModernUI applications like mail, weather, or the Messaging with just the
> keyboard.
>
> For many (most?) people this is not a problem since point & click is their
> input preferred method.
> I type a lot (e.g. code, commands, emails) and I have a strong preference
> for UIs that can be mostly controlled using just the keyboard. I'm much more
> productive if I don't have to frequently move my right hand to the mouse.
could be more consistent.
...
--
Bilk is a self-described psychopath who has claimed others control his
actions and that he was hated by his parents, many of his teachers, his
school principal, and the staff at his summer camp.
Bilk should seek professional help for his issues.
GreyCloud
May 23, 2013, 7:07:07 PM5/23/13
to
last year and I called him out on it in that newsgroup. The rest of the
people were aware of the slimy troll.
Marti Van Lin
May 24, 2013, 12:47:10 AM5/24/13
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Op 23-5-2013 20:38, schreef GreyCloud:
Windows 7 is a great Operating System and it looks quite gorgeous, very
sexy UI (Aero Glass).
> All of a sudden I get called a wintroll, and before that I was
> advocating Linux since around 1998. At the time I had Caldera Linux,
> which I thought was pretty good. Then Caldera was bought out by SCO.
> Oh, I was in good stead back then. Now I'm considered to be too old and
> shouldn't be here anymore. The worst offender of the bunch is chrisv.
Ridiculous! and I've learned that [H]omer thinks he's some kind of
authority. He gave me the boot in his G+ groups and obviously did the
same to Tim (Goblin). The jerk also included me in his killfile, which
makes me officially a "WintTroll�"
Don't worry Greycloud, you are better then the butt-sniffing bunch.
sexy UI (Aero Glass).
> All of a sudden I get called a wintroll, and before that I was
> advocating Linux since around 1998. At the time I had Caldera Linux,
> which I thought was pretty good. Then Caldera was bought out by SCO.
> Oh, I was in good stead back then. Now I'm considered to be too old and
> shouldn't be here anymore. The worst offender of the bunch is chrisv.
authority. He gave me the boot in his G+ groups and obviously did the
same to Tim (Goblin). The jerk also included me in his killfile, which
makes me officially a "WintTroll�"
Don't worry Greycloud, you are better then the butt-sniffing bunch.
Marti Van Lin
May 24, 2013, 1:08:05 AM5/24/13
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Op 23-5-2013 22:23, schreef Cola Zealot:
I have a problem with Peter K�hlmann, because he is very handsome but
such an arrogant jackass.
He obviously thinks he's some kind of authority, yet he's full of shit.
Just play around with the tool I suggest in this treat and you will come
to the conclusion that ModernUI is nothing but yet another layer on top
of the traditional Desktop, yet Krautboy insists that ModernUI is a
complete distinct UI #HighHorse #Fail
[snip]
such an arrogant jackass.
He obviously thinks he's some kind of authority, yet he's full of shit.
Just play around with the tool I suggest in this treat and you will come
to the conclusion that ModernUI is nothing but yet another layer on top
of the traditional Desktop, yet Krautboy insists that ModernUI is a
complete distinct UI #HighHorse #Fail
[snip]
GreyCloud
May 24, 2013, 2:31:43 PM5/24/13
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> such an arrogant jackass.
>
> He obviously thinks he's some kind of authority, yet he's full of shit.
>
> Just play around with the tool I suggest in this treat and you will come
> to the conclusion that ModernUI is nothing but yet another layer on top
> of the traditional Desktop, yet Krautboy insists that ModernUI is a
> complete distinct UI #HighHorse #Fail
>
> [snip]
>
I see you've noticed that as well. He's just another armchair expert on
>
> He obviously thinks he's some kind of authority, yet he's full of shit.
>
> Just play around with the tool I suggest in this treat and you will come
> to the conclusion that ModernUI is nothing but yet another layer on top
> of the traditional Desktop, yet Krautboy insists that ModernUI is a
> complete distinct UI #HighHorse #Fail
>
> [snip]
>
everything.
So, how is the music coming along on Win8?
GreyCloud
May 24, 2013, 2:35:10 PM5/24/13
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It seems they got their mind poisoned by rubbish.
>
> Don't worry Greycloud, you are better then the butt-sniffing bunch.
>
software are getting a bit boring. I'm now starting to pay more
attention to the weather. Still getting snow here, and I'm starting to
think this isn't natural either.
JEDIDIAH
May 24, 2013, 3:20:54 PM5/24/13
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On 2013-05-24, Marti Van Lin <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> wrote:
> Op 23-5-2013 20:38, schreef GreyCloud:
>
>> On 5/23/2013 11:00 AM, Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>> Op 23-5-2013 15:16, schreef Hadron:
>>>
>>>> Marti Van Lin <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Op 22-5-2013 20:35, schreef Lusotec:
>>>>>
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>>>>>> Marti Van Lin wrote:
[deletia]
> Op 23-5-2013 20:38, schreef GreyCloud:
>
>> On 5/23/2013 11:00 AM, Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>> Op 23-5-2013 15:16, schreef Hadron:
>>>
>>>> Marti Van Lin <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Op 22-5-2013 20:35, schreef Lusotec:
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>>> Hash: SHA256
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>> Meh. . do you think I want to be part of that restarted bunch any
>>> longer? Have you missed I'm a "WinTroll®" now, all of a sudden? Do you
>>> think I give a flying fsck what [H]omer and his silly slaves think or
>>> write about me?
>>>
>>> I Love Windows 8, what's your excuse (hehe) ;-)
>>>
>>
>> The same thing happened to me when I mentioned that I purchased Win7Pro.
>
> Windows 7 is a great Operating System and it looks quite gorgeous, very
> sexy UI (Aero Glass).
It has a few distracting bells and whistles that Linux window manager
>>> longer? Have you missed I'm a "WinTroll®" now, all of a sudden? Do you
>>> think I give a flying fsck what [H]omer and his silly slaves think or
>>> write about me?
>>>
>>> I Love Windows 8, what's your excuse (hehe) ;-)
>>>
>>
>> The same thing happened to me when I mentioned that I purchased Win7Pro.
>
> Windows 7 is a great Operating System and it looks quite gorgeous, very
> sexy UI (Aero Glass).
developers were playing around with in the 90s.
[deletia]
The elements that are obvious MacOS knockoffs are a little too subtle
for their own good. Although the originals suffer from that as well.
--
OpenDoc is moot when Apple is your one stop iShop. |||
/ | \
GreyCloud
May 24, 2013, 5:08:17 PM5/24/13
to
On 5/24/2013 1:20 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2013-05-24, Marti Van Lin <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> wrote:
>> Op 23-5-2013 20:38, schreef GreyCloud:
>>
>>> On 5/23/2013 11:00 AM, Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>>> Op 23-5-2013 15:16, schreef Hadron:
>>>>
>>>>> Marti Van Lin <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Op 22-5-2013 20:35, schreef Lusotec:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>>>> Hash: SHA256
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marti Van Lin wrote:
> [deletia]
>>>> Meh. . do you think I want to be part of that restarted bunch any
>>>> longer? Have you missed I'm a "WinTroll®" now, all of a sudden? Do you
>>>> think I give a flying fsck what [H]omer and his silly slaves think or
>>>> write about me?
>>>>
>>>> I Love Windows 8, what's your excuse (hehe) ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> The same thing happened to me when I mentioned that I purchased Win7Pro.
>>
>> Windows 7 is a great Operating System and it looks quite gorgeous, very
>> sexy UI (Aero Glass).
>
> It has a few distracting bells and whistles that Linux window manager
> developers were playing around with in the 90s.
>
Such as?
> On 2013-05-24, Marti Van Lin <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> wrote:
>> Op 23-5-2013 20:38, schreef GreyCloud:
>>
>>> On 5/23/2013 11:00 AM, Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>>> Op 23-5-2013 15:16, schreef Hadron:
>>>>
>>>>> Marti Van Lin <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Op 22-5-2013 20:35, schreef Lusotec:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>>>>> Hash: SHA256
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marti Van Lin wrote:
> [deletia]
>>>> Meh. . do you think I want to be part of that restarted bunch any
>>>> longer? Have you missed I'm a "WinTroll®" now, all of a sudden? Do you
>>>> think I give a flying fsck what [H]omer and his silly slaves think or
>>>> write about me?
>>>>
>>>> I Love Windows 8, what's your excuse (hehe) ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> The same thing happened to me when I mentioned that I purchased Win7Pro.
>>
>> Windows 7 is a great Operating System and it looks quite gorgeous, very
>> sexy UI (Aero Glass).
>
> It has a few distracting bells and whistles that Linux window manager
> developers were playing around with in the 90s.
>
> [deletia]
>
> The elements that are obvious MacOS knockoffs are a little too subtle
> for their own good. Although the originals suffer from that as well.
>
Snit
May 24, 2013, 5:28:47 PM5/24/13
to
On 5/24/13 12:20 PM, in article slrnkpvfc...@nomad.mishnet,
The Aero transparent borders I think are horrid... and not subtle at all.
"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>> Windows 7 is a great Operating System and it looks quite gorgeous, very
>> sexy UI (Aero Glass).
>
> It has a few distracting bells and whistles that Linux window manager
> developers were playing around with in the 90s.
>
> [deletia]
>
> The elements that are obvious MacOS knockoffs are a little too subtle
> for their own good. Although the originals suffer from that as well.
Too subtle? I would love to hear more about this.
>> Windows 7 is a great Operating System and it looks quite gorgeous, very
>> sexy UI (Aero Glass).
>
> It has a few distracting bells and whistles that Linux window manager
> developers were playing around with in the 90s.
>
> [deletia]
>
> The elements that are obvious MacOS knockoffs are a little too subtle
> for their own good. Although the originals suffer from that as well.
The Aero transparent borders I think are horrid... and not subtle at all.
Gregory Shearman
May 24, 2013, 7:32:06 PM5/24/13
to
On 2013-05-24, JEDIDIAH <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
> On 2013-05-24, Marti Van Lin <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Windows 7 is a great Operating System and it looks quite gorgeous, very
>> sexy UI (Aero Glass).
>
> It has a few distracting bells and whistles that Linux window manager
> developers were playing around with in the 90s.
>
> On 2013-05-24, Marti Van Lin <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Windows 7 is a great Operating System and it looks quite gorgeous, very
>> sexy UI (Aero Glass).
>
> It has a few distracting bells and whistles that Linux window manager
> developers were playing around with in the 90s.
>
> The elements that are obvious MacOS knockoffs are a little too subtle
> for their own good. Although the originals suffer from that as well.
I had a look at it when I set up a computer for my father and when I
> for their own good. Although the originals suffer from that as well.
first bought my current computer. I didn't like the look of it at all
and I found it hard to get around and impossible to do any system
maintenance. All over an unpleasant and frustrating experience. Just a
simple thing like getting connected to the internet was a colossal pain
in the arse.
--
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
GreyCloud
May 24, 2013, 7:56:22 PM5/24/13
to
chrisv
May 28, 2013, 8:45:04 AM5/28/13
to
JEDIDIAH wrote:
> some troll calling itself Marti Van Lin wrote:
that *lie*.
>> Windows 7 is a great Operating System and it looks quite gorgeous, very
>> sexy UI (Aero Glass).
Well, troll, why don't you MARRY it, if it's so "gorgeous" and "sexy"?
Kook.
--
"About 8 people use Mepis." - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark
> some troll calling itself Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>
>> some piece of shit calling itself "GreyCloud" wrote:
>>>
>>> The same thing happened to me when I mentioned that I purchased Win7Pro.
We see that the "GreyCloud" piece of shit has not tired of repeating
>> some piece of shit calling itself "GreyCloud" wrote:
>>>
>>> The same thing happened to me when I mentioned that I purchased Win7Pro.
that *lie*.
>> Windows 7 is a great Operating System and it looks quite gorgeous, very
>> sexy UI (Aero Glass).
Kook.
--
"About 8 people use Mepis." - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark
GreyCloud
May 28, 2013, 1:24:10 PM5/28/13
to
JEDIDIAH
May 28, 2013, 4:47:31 PM5/28/13
to
best to make a conceptually pretty simple thing as complicated as possible.
They either obfuscate the process or hide the relevant bit of GUI under
jargon terms that your average consumer is not going to be familiar with.
It's easy to forget about since it may be infrequently used but this is
one of those little areas where Apple mops the floor with Microsoft. Even
the various Linux interfaces are less bother.
--
"If I give you a pfennig, you will be one pfennig richer and
I'll be one pfennig poorer. But if I give you an idea, you will |||
have a new idea, but I shall still have it, too." / | \
~ Albert Einstein
GreyCloud
May 28, 2013, 7:30:42 PM5/28/13
to
On 5/28/2013 2:47 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2013-05-24, Gregory Shearman <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote:
>> On 2013-05-24, JEDIDIAH <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>>> On 2013-05-24, Marti Van Lin <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Windows 7 is a great Operating System and it looks quite gorgeous, very
>>>> sexy UI (Aero Glass).
>>>
>>> It has a few distracting bells and whistles that Linux window manager
>>> developers were playing around with in the 90s.
>>>
>>> The elements that are obvious MacOS knockoffs are a little too subtle
>>> for their own good. Although the originals suffer from that as well.
>>
>> I had a look at it when I set up a computer for my father and when I
>> first bought my current computer. I didn't like the look of it at all
>> and I found it hard to get around and impossible to do any system
>> maintenance. All over an unpleasant and frustrating experience. Just a
>> simple thing like getting connected to the internet was a colossal pain
>> in the arse.
>
> This seems to be a continual failing on Microsoft's part. They do their
> best to make a conceptually pretty simple thing as complicated as possible.
> They either obfuscate the process or hide the relevant bit of GUI under
> jargon terms that your average consumer is not going to be familiar with.
Same could be said of many linux apps or development programs.
> On 2013-05-24, Gregory Shearman <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote:
>> On 2013-05-24, JEDIDIAH <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>>> On 2013-05-24, Marti Van Lin <ml2...@dontevenbother.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Windows 7 is a great Operating System and it looks quite gorgeous, very
>>>> sexy UI (Aero Glass).
>>>
>>> It has a few distracting bells and whistles that Linux window manager
>>> developers were playing around with in the 90s.
>>>
>>> The elements that are obvious MacOS knockoffs are a little too subtle
>>> for their own good. Although the originals suffer from that as well.
>>
>> I had a look at it when I set up a computer for my father and when I
>> first bought my current computer. I didn't like the look of it at all
>> and I found it hard to get around and impossible to do any system
>> maintenance. All over an unpleasant and frustrating experience. Just a
>> simple thing like getting connected to the internet was a colossal pain
>> in the arse.
>
> This seems to be a continual failing on Microsoft's part. They do their
> best to make a conceptually pretty simple thing as complicated as possible.
> They either obfuscate the process or hide the relevant bit of GUI under
> jargon terms that your average consumer is not going to be familiar with.
Just about all vendors are guilty of this.
>
> It's easy to forget about since it may be infrequently used but this is
> one of those little areas where Apple mops the floor with Microsoft. Even
> the various Linux interfaces are less bother.
>
lineup... the lack of a solid SQL, and a few holes in their graphics APIs.
It is why I left Apple in the first place.
chrisv
May 29, 2013, 8:33:25 AM5/29/13
to
JEDIDIAH wrote:
> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>
>> I had a look at it when I set up a computer for my father and when I
>> first bought my current computer. I didn't like the look of it at all
>> and I found it hard to get around and impossible to do any system
>> maintenance. All over an unpleasant and frustrating experience. Just a
>> simple thing like getting connected to the internet was a colossal pain
>> in the arse.
>
> This seems to be a continual failing on Microsoft's part. They do their
>best to make a conceptually pretty simple thing as complicated as possible.
>They either obfuscate the process or hide the relevant bit of GUI under
>jargon terms that your average consumer is not going to be familiar with.
>
> It's easy to forget about since it may be infrequently used but this is
>one of those little areas where Apple mops the floor with Microsoft. Even
>the various Linux interfaces are less bother.
To be generous, part of the problem is that they are trying to serve
too broad of a market, with a single product. It's not possible to
optimally serve such a broad market with a single product.
--
'A new record! A mention of "students" twice within 4 words!
Come on Flatty ....
Noone mentions their "students" like this in the real world.
Its just not real.'
- "Hadron", baselessly accusing a decent, honest person of lying
> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>
>> I had a look at it when I set up a computer for my father and when I
>> first bought my current computer. I didn't like the look of it at all
>> and I found it hard to get around and impossible to do any system
>> maintenance. All over an unpleasant and frustrating experience. Just a
>> simple thing like getting connected to the internet was a colossal pain
>> in the arse.
>
> This seems to be a continual failing on Microsoft's part. They do their
>best to make a conceptually pretty simple thing as complicated as possible.
>They either obfuscate the process or hide the relevant bit of GUI under
>jargon terms that your average consumer is not going to be familiar with.
>
> It's easy to forget about since it may be infrequently used but this is
>one of those little areas where Apple mops the floor with Microsoft. Even
>the various Linux interfaces are less bother.
too broad of a market, with a single product. It's not possible to
optimally serve such a broad market with a single product.
--
'A new record! A mention of "students" twice within 4 words!
Come on Flatty ....
Noone mentions their "students" like this in the real world.
Its just not real.'
- "Hadron", baselessly accusing a decent, honest person of lying
Marti Van Lin
May 29, 2013, 9:12:07 AM5/29/13
to
Op 28-5-2013 14:45, schreef chrisv:
> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
>> some troll calling itself Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>>
>>> some piece of shit calling itself "GreyCloud" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The same thing happened to me when I mentioned that I purchased Win7Pro.
>
> We see that the "GreyCloud" piece of shit has not tired of repeating
> that *lie*.
>
>>> Windows 7 is a great Operating System and it looks quite gorgeous, very
>>> sexy UI (Aero Glass).
>
> Well, troll, why don't you MARRY it, if it's so "gorgeous" and "sexy"?
Because I'm using Windows 8. Don't have a license for Windows 7. Have
been using various GNU/Linux distributions as my main OS for the past 13
years (in case you've missed it).
> Kook.
Nice, who needs enemies with "friends" like you?
*Plonk*
> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
>> some troll calling itself Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>>
>>> some piece of shit calling itself "GreyCloud" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The same thing happened to me when I mentioned that I purchased Win7Pro.
>
> We see that the "GreyCloud" piece of shit has not tired of repeating
> that *lie*.
>
>>> Windows 7 is a great Operating System and it looks quite gorgeous, very
>>> sexy UI (Aero Glass).
>
> Well, troll, why don't you MARRY it, if it's so "gorgeous" and "sexy"?
been using various GNU/Linux distributions as my main OS for the past 13
years (in case you've missed it).
> Kook.
Nice, who needs enemies with "friends" like you?
*Plonk*
JEDIDIAH
May 29, 2013, 1:09:17 PM5/29/13
to
On 2013-05-29, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
>> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>>
>>> I had a look at it when I set up a computer for my father and when I
>>> first bought my current computer. I didn't like the look of it at all
>>> and I found it hard to get around and impossible to do any system
>>> maintenance. All over an unpleasant and frustrating experience. Just a
>>> simple thing like getting connected to the internet was a colossal pain
>>> in the arse.
>>
>> This seems to be a continual failing on Microsoft's part. They do their
>>best to make a conceptually pretty simple thing as complicated as possible.
>>They either obfuscate the process or hide the relevant bit of GUI under
>>jargon terms that your average consumer is not going to be familiar with.
>>
>> It's easy to forget about since it may be infrequently used but this is
>>one of those little areas where Apple mops the floor with Microsoft. Even
>>the various Linux interfaces are less bother.
>
> To be generous, part of the problem is that they are trying to serve
> too broad of a market, with a single product. It's not possible to
> optimally serve such a broad market with a single product.
Nonsense. It's software. That means it can be all things to all people.
> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
>> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>>
>>> I had a look at it when I set up a computer for my father and when I
>>> first bought my current computer. I didn't like the look of it at all
>>> and I found it hard to get around and impossible to do any system
>>> maintenance. All over an unpleasant and frustrating experience. Just a
>>> simple thing like getting connected to the internet was a colossal pain
>>> in the arse.
>>
>> This seems to be a continual failing on Microsoft's part. They do their
>>best to make a conceptually pretty simple thing as complicated as possible.
>>They either obfuscate the process or hide the relevant bit of GUI under
>>jargon terms that your average consumer is not going to be familiar with.
>>
>> It's easy to forget about since it may be infrequently used but this is
>>one of those little areas where Apple mops the floor with Microsoft. Even
>>the various Linux interfaces are less bother.
>
> To be generous, part of the problem is that they are trying to serve
> too broad of a market, with a single product. It's not possible to
> optimally serve such a broad market with a single product.
You just have to know when to present a suitable tool and to make sure that
nothing is hidden from anyone.
Sane defaults.
Simple novice interface.
Accessable expert interface.
Nothing hidden.
Some things are just pointless distractions even for experts.
--
Apple: Power users are not welcome here. |||
/ | \
GreyCloud
May 29, 2013, 1:49:19 PM5/29/13
to
On 5/29/2013 7:12 AM, Marti Van Lin wrote:
> Op 28-5-2013 14:45, schreef chrisv:
>
>> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>
>>> some troll calling itself Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> some piece of shit calling itself "GreyCloud" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The same thing happened to me when I mentioned that I purchased
>>>>> Win7Pro.
>>
>> We see that the "GreyCloud" piece of shit has not tired of repeating
>> that *lie*.
>>
>>>> Windows 7 is a great Operating System and it looks quite gorgeous, very
>>>> sexy UI (Aero Glass).
>>
>> Well, troll, why don't you MARRY it, if it's so "gorgeous" and "sexy"?
>
> Because I'm using Windows 8. Don't have a license for Windows 7. Have
> been using various GNU/Linux distributions as my main OS for the past 13
> years (in case you've missed it).
>
>> Kook.
>
> Nice, who needs enemies with "friends" like you?
>
> *Plonk*
>
He hasn't grown up yet. To me it appears he is an angry person about
> Op 28-5-2013 14:45, schreef chrisv:
>
>> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>
>>> some troll calling itself Marti Van Lin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> some piece of shit calling itself "GreyCloud" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The same thing happened to me when I mentioned that I purchased
>>>>> Win7Pro.
>>
>> We see that the "GreyCloud" piece of shit has not tired of repeating
>> that *lie*.
>>
>>>> Windows 7 is a great Operating System and it looks quite gorgeous, very
>>>> sexy UI (Aero Glass).
>>
>> Well, troll, why don't you MARRY it, if it's so "gorgeous" and "sexy"?
>
> Because I'm using Windows 8. Don't have a license for Windows 7. Have
> been using various GNU/Linux distributions as my main OS for the past 13
> years (in case you've missed it).
>
>> Kook.
>
> Nice, who needs enemies with "friends" like you?
>
> *Plonk*
>
something. Could've been a large loss where he had worked at a long
time ago. But this is what is known as a cult like behaviour.
Snit
May 29, 2013, 3:05:09 PM5/29/13
to
On 5/29/13 10:09 AM, in article slrnkqcdh...@nomad.mishnet,
Sure, there are times when the answer is a no-brainer (screencasting...
avoid Linux... quilting... avoid Linux and OS X), but often there are tools
which have trade-offs (Photoshop is a "better" tool than GIMP for most
things but it is a *lot* more expensive and does some things poorly, such as
working with favicons).
> You just have to know when to present a suitable tool and to make sure that
> nothing is hidden from anyone.
>
> Sane defaults.
> Simple novice interface.
On a system level this is not really possible with a full-featured Linux
system (well, standard destkop Linux... ChromeOS might be a good
alternative).
> Accessable expert interface.
> Nothing hidden.
>
> Some things are just pointless distractions even for experts.
--
"90% of computers use Microsoft's Windows ... Macs account for 9% of the
market while the open source system Linux accounts for 0.8%."
-- Linus Torvalds
"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
> On 2013-05-29, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>
>>> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had a look at it when I set up a computer for my father and when I
>>>> first bought my current computer. I didn't like the look of it at all
>>>> and I found it hard to get around and impossible to do any system
>>>> maintenance. All over an unpleasant and frustrating experience. Just a
>>>> simple thing like getting connected to the internet was a colossal pain
>>>> in the arse.
>>>
>>> This seems to be a continual failing on Microsoft's part. They do their
>>> best to make a conceptually pretty simple thing as complicated as possible.
>>> They either obfuscate the process or hide the relevant bit of GUI under
>>> jargon terms that your average consumer is not going to be familiar with.
>>>
>>> It's easy to forget about since it may be infrequently used but this is
>>> one of those little areas where Apple mops the floor with Microsoft. Even
>>> the various Linux interfaces are less bother.
>>
>> To be generous, part of the problem is that they are trying to serve
>> too broad of a market, with a single product. It's not possible to
>> optimally serve such a broad market with a single product.
>
> Nonsense. It's software. That means it can be all things to all people.
There are pros and cons to competing solutions, even software solutions.
> On 2013-05-29, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>
>>> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had a look at it when I set up a computer for my father and when I
>>>> first bought my current computer. I didn't like the look of it at all
>>>> and I found it hard to get around and impossible to do any system
>>>> maintenance. All over an unpleasant and frustrating experience. Just a
>>>> simple thing like getting connected to the internet was a colossal pain
>>>> in the arse.
>>>
>>> This seems to be a continual failing on Microsoft's part. They do their
>>> best to make a conceptually pretty simple thing as complicated as possible.
>>> They either obfuscate the process or hide the relevant bit of GUI under
>>> jargon terms that your average consumer is not going to be familiar with.
>>>
>>> It's easy to forget about since it may be infrequently used but this is
>>> one of those little areas where Apple mops the floor with Microsoft. Even
>>> the various Linux interfaces are less bother.
>>
>> To be generous, part of the problem is that they are trying to serve
>> too broad of a market, with a single product. It's not possible to
>> optimally serve such a broad market with a single product.
>
> Nonsense. It's software. That means it can be all things to all people.
Sure, there are times when the answer is a no-brainer (screencasting...
avoid Linux... quilting... avoid Linux and OS X), but often there are tools
which have trade-offs (Photoshop is a "better" tool than GIMP for most
things but it is a *lot* more expensive and does some things poorly, such as
working with favicons).
> You just have to know when to present a suitable tool and to make sure that
> nothing is hidden from anyone.
>
> Sane defaults.
> Simple novice interface.
system (well, standard destkop Linux... ChromeOS might be a good
alternative).
> Accessable expert interface.
> Nothing hidden.
>
> Some things are just pointless distractions even for experts.
--
market while the open source system Linux accounts for 0.8%."
-- Linus Torvalds
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