Finally made the leap to Linux 6

[vallor]

I wrote a few months ago about needing to hold back NVidia driver
updates in Linux Mint. I needed to keep running nvidia*525 since
535 had problems with Starfield (on both Linux and Windows).

So I saw nvidia*545 become available on Mint, so I released
the holds. After the update/upgrade, I booted to Linux 6.
But on checking the kernels list in Software Update, I saw
I was running an unsupported kernel, 6.6.6.

Found the kernel with support -- 6.5.0 -- installed and booted it.
Haven't tried Starfield with it yet, but Elite Dangerous runs great.

$ cat /etc/os-release
NAME="Linux Mint"
VERSION="21.2 (Victoria)"
ID=linuxmint
ID_LIKE="ubuntu debian"
PRETTY_NAME="Linux Mint 21.2"
VERSION_ID="21.2"
HOME_URL="https://www.linuxmint.com/"
SUPPORT_URL="https://forums.linuxmint.com/"
BUG_REPORT_URL="http://linuxmint-troubleshooting-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/"
PRIVACY_POLICY_URL="https://www.linuxmint.com/"
VERSION_CODENAME=victoria
UBUNTU_CODENAME=jammy

--
-v

[vallor]

On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 07:40:36 -0000 (UTC), vallor <val...@cultnix.org> wrote
in <upkqlk$31563$1...@dont-email.me>:

> I wrote a few months ago about needing to hold back NVidia driver
> updates in Linux Mint. I needed to keep running nvidia*525 since
> 535 had problems with Starfield (on both Linux and Windows).
>
> So I saw nvidia*545 become available on Mint, so I released
> the holds. After the update/upgrade, I booted to Linux 6.
> But on checking the kernels list in Software Update, I saw
> I was running an unsupported kernel, 6.6.6.
>
> Found the kernel with support -- 6.5.0 -- installed and booted it.
> Haven't tried Starfield with it yet, but Elite Dangerous runs great.
>

Ah, a snag -- decided I wanted a low-latency kernel, so I installed
linux-lowlatency. I got one (and booted to it), but it's only
Linux 5.

[ Linux lm 5.15.0-92-lowlatency #102-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT
Mon Jan 15 10:13:06 UTC 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux ]

I might have to build my own kernel if I want a low-latency
Linux 6...it's been years since I've done that.

--
-v

[Joel]

vallor <val...@cultnix.org> wrote:

>I wrote a few months ago about needing to hold back NVidia driver
>updates in Linux Mint. I needed to keep running nvidia*525 since
>535 had problems with Starfield (on both Linux and Windows).
>
>So I saw nvidia*545 become available on Mint, so I released
>the holds. After the update/upgrade, I booted to Linux 6.
>But on checking the kernels list in Software Update, I saw
>I was running an unsupported kernel, 6.6.6.
>
>Found the kernel with support -- 6.5.0 -- installed and booted it.
>Haven't tried Starfield with it yet, but Elite Dangerous runs great.

I'll stay with 5.x for the kernel, just less reconfiguring for the
system to do, ultimately, than trying to keep up with the latest
supported kernel builds. I'm not trying to prove anything with this
computer, it does fine as it is, tweaking such a modern masterpiece
seems unneeded. It can handle whatever you want to run.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

Ah, the good ol' days.

Might need to try it just for old time's sake.

--
A morgue is a morgue is a morgue. They can paint the walls with aggressively
cheerful primary colors and splashy bold graphics, but it's still a holding
place for the dead until they can be parted out to organ banks.
-- Pat Cadigan, "Mindplayers"

[Joel]

Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>

>> I might have to build my own kernel if I want a low-latency
>> Linux 6...it's been years since I've done that.
>
>Ah, the good ol' days.
>
>Might need to try it just for old time's sake.

Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without
the money, product key and bloat.

[DFS]

On 2/3/2024 7:14 AM, Joel wrote:


> Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without
> the money, product key and bloat.

And good software.

[Joel]

DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:

>> Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without
>> the money, product key and bloat.
>
>And good software.

And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
natively under Linux with Wine.

[DFS]

On 2/3/2024 11:57 AM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>> Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without
>>> the money, product key and bloat.
>>
>> And good software.
>
>
> And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
> natively under Linux with Wine.

heh! More excellent Linux advocacy from Joel.

I'm waiting for you to say "Windows remains a great choice for others."

[Joel]

DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:

>>>> Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without
>>>> the money, product key and bloat.
>>>
>>> And good software.
>>
>> And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
>> natively under Linux with Wine.
>
>heh! More excellent Linux advocacy from Joel.

You're suggesting that there's something wrong with using Wine?

>I'm waiting for you to say "Windows remains a great choice for others."

I am not sure I can say it, honestly. It's a great choice for gamers.
It's a great choice to use MS Office and Photoshop, and crap. For me
it is nevertheless more fruitful, to use the apps that can run under
Linux, including some Winblows apps under Wine.

[DFS]

On 2/3/2024 12:23 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without
>>>>> the money, product key and bloat.
>>>>
>>>> And good software.
>>>
>>> And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
>>> natively under Linux with Wine.
>>
>> heh! More excellent Linux advocacy from Joel.
>
>
> You're suggesting that there's something wrong with using Wine?

I'm suggesting the main - possibly only - reason you run Linux is
because you can run your favorite Windows apps, and if you couldn't run
them you would stay with Windows.

>> I'm waiting for you to say "Windows remains a great choice for others."
>
>
> I am not sure I can say it, honestly.

So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
and "I will probably never run Linux again"?

> It's a great choice for gamers.
> It's a great choice to use MS Office and Photoshop, and crap. For me
> it is nevertheless more fruitful, to use the apps that can run under
> Linux, including some Winblows apps under Wine.

"more fruitful" is really nebulous. Can you quantify or defend it?

[Joel]

DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:

>>>>> [The Microsoft Windows platform has] good software.

>>>>
>>>> And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
>>>> natively under Linux with Wine.
>>>
>>> heh! More excellent Linux advocacy from Joel.
>>
>> You're suggesting that there's something wrong with using Wine?
>
>I'm suggesting the main - possibly only - reason you run Linux is
>because you can run your favorite Windows apps, and if you couldn't run
>them you would stay with Windows.

If I take that as completely accurately ascertained by you, it would
mean they did a damn good job of coding Wine.

>>> I'm waiting for you to say "Windows remains a great choice for others."
>>
>> I am not sure I can say it, honestly.
>
>So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
>and "I will probably never run Linux again"?

I was kidding myself, I think.

>> It's a great choice for gamers.
>> It's a great choice to use MS Office and Photoshop, and crap. For me
>> it is nevertheless more fruitful, to use the apps that can run under
>> Linux, including some Winblows apps under Wine.
>
>"more fruitful" is really nebulous. Can you quantify or defend it?

I meant that using these apps allows me to not have to use Windows.

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

Le 03-02-2024, Joel <joel...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without
>>>>> the money, product key and bloat.
>>>>
>>>> And good software.
>>>
>>> And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
>>> natively under Linux with Wine.
>>
>>heh! More excellent Linux advocacy from Joel.
>
> You're suggesting that there's something wrong with using Wine?

Of course: it's obvious.

The purpose of an OS is not to stare at it while swearing and laughing
in front of it like a FR/DG/NV/LP/whatever moron. The purpose of an OS
is to allow you to launch the tools/games/whatever you really need. And
to manage them in the best possible way. So, if what you need is not
available, it means your OS has nothing to managed, in other words it's
useless. And so when you are using wine, you prove your OS is useless.

That's not that difficult to understand: if you want to promote Linux,
you find alternatives to your Windows toys. That'll show you don't need
Windows.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

[DFS]

On 2/3/2024 1:13 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> [The Microsoft Windows platform has] good software.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
>>>>> natively under Linux with Wine.
>>>>
>>>> heh! More excellent Linux advocacy from Joel.
>>>
>>> You're suggesting that there's something wrong with using Wine?
>>
>> I'm suggesting the main - possibly only - reason you run Linux is
>> because you can run your favorite Windows apps, and if you couldn't run
>> them you would stay with Windows.
>
>
> If I take that as completely accurately ascertained by you, it would
> mean they did a damn good job of coding Wine.

That it runs some Windows apps flawlessly is a credit to them, but the
overall Wine success rate at running Windows apps well is apparently
very, very low.

The Wine devs must love their hobby, since they've been at it for 30
years with at best middling success.

>>>> I'm waiting for you to say "Windows remains a great choice for others."
>>>
>>> I am not sure I can say it, honestly.
>>
>> So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
>> and "I will probably never run Linux again"?
>
>
> I was kidding myself, I think.

5x sounds like a partial commitment.

>>> It's a great choice for gamers.
>>> It's a great choice to use MS Office and Photoshop, and crap. For me
>>> it is nevertheless more fruitful, to use the apps that can run under
>>> Linux, including some Winblows apps under Wine.
>>
>> "more fruitful" is really nebulous. Can you quantify or defend it?
>
>
> I meant that using these apps allows me to not have to use Windows.

I would definitely use Linux more often if it ran all the Windows-only
apps I use, which isn't many, but they're very important to me: MS
Office and Notepad++ mainly. Also SumatraPDF, and Windows Terminal, and
the dozens/hundreds of Windows apps I've downloaded and use intermittently.

[chrisv]

Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

>That's not that difficult to understand: if you want to promote Linux,
>you find alternatives to your Windows toys.

Nonsense. There's no need to be "pure".

--
'"more choice to the user" - what a crock of shit.' - "True Linux
advocate" Hadron Quark

[RonB]

I hardly ever agree with Joel (he's in my killfile) but what are you saying?
That, when you use Linux, you sign some sort of fealty oath with it? That
you become its vassal and will forever swear off any application that
doesn't run natively under Linux? — or in any way "betray" Linux? This is
not a marriage. Using a Windows application under Wine doesn't mean you
"need" Windows, it means you want to run that application on a superior
platform, Linux.

I don't currently have any Windows applications running under Wine. But last
fall I wanted to try out Scrivener (a word processor) that only comes in two
versions, Windows and Mac OS. So I used Wine. It run well — it turned out I
wasn't that crazy about Scrivener and ended up deleting it and Wine, but I
liked the fact that I *could* run Scrivener on my Linux machines if I wanted
to. I don't see anything wrong with that.

As for "you're not promoting Linux because you use Wine," I think that's a
stretch. It's a personal choice (and I respect that choice) but it kind of
reminds me of those who will *only* use open source software when there are
good proprietary choices. I also respect that choice, but I don't agree with
it. If a Linux application is proprietary and it does what I want done, then
I'll use it.

Choice is good.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

[RonB]

On 2024-02-04, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>>That's not that difficult to understand: if you want to promote Linux,
>>you find alternatives to your Windows toys.
>
> Nonsense. There's no need to be "pure".

Much more succinctly than how I put it.

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

Le 04-02-2024, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> a écrit :
> Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>>That's not that difficult to understand: if you want to promote Linux,
>>you find alternatives to your Windows toys.
>
> Nonsense. There's no need to be "pure".

Thanks for the good laugh.

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

There is no such thing as a Linux betrayal. You do what you want and you
use what you want. But when DFS says FOSS is garbage, you prove him
right when you are using proprietary software. That's all, there is
nothing more to understand. Something running only on Windows can't be
FOSS, so if you need wine, you need it to run something proprietary. So
if you need something proprietary, it means FOSS is not enough. There is
nothing difficult to understand.

Read again what I didn't removed: DFS says Windows is better because
software is better and Joel answer's was using wine is the solution. So,
when he answered that he just tell DFS that Windows software are better
than Linux software. It's not about purity or betrayal or I don't know
what. It's just about simple logic.

> As for "you're not promoting Linux because you use Wine," I think that's a
> stretch.

No.

> It's a personal choice (and I respect that choice)

Of course it's a personal choice and he can chose what he want. But his
choices don't promote Linux. How can you convince someone that using
Linux+wine+Idontknowwhat is better than using directly Windows to run
something? You can't because it's not better. It's a choice, OK, I have
nothing against choice. But it's not a Linux promotion, because it's
using a more difficult way to the same thing.

> Choice is good.

It's not about choice, it's about promoting something or not.

[chrisv]

Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

>But when DFS says FOSS is garbage, you prove him
>right when you are using proprietary software.

You are genuinely stupid, aren't you?

>That's all, there is nothing more to understand.

Except that you're a fscking idiot.

Using some closed-source software sure as fsck doesn't "prove" that
"FOSS is garbage". FOSS isn't "garbage" or inferior just because it
may not be the best choice for every application.

--
"I'm pretty stupid" - Stéphane CARPENTIER

[RonB]

No, it's about choice. You can choose to only use Open Source or you can
choose to use proprietary applications or even Windows applications under
Wine. I don't (regularly) use Wine (not at all currently) but I do use
proprietary native applications for Linux. Others choose to use Wine and
Windows applications or only Open Source — I respect their choices.

Choice is good.

I'm not "working" for Linux, it's working for me. Don't get too caught in
what DuFuS has to say, he's about 99% full of crap.

[DFS]

On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:


> Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,

Sure it can, but it's rare.

The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text
editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.

Most Windows-only software is closed-source and for sale, or has a
feature-limited version that's free of cost.

[RabidPedagog]

FOSS is definitely enough to do pretty much everything that you would
want to do. However, it is normal that someone would want to continue
using a piece of software that they are used to, even if it isn't
officially supported by Linux. That doesn't mean that FOSS is garbage,
it might just indicate that FOSS doesn't have such a product yet. Even
if it does, the product might not be as intuitive as the one you've been
using happily for years.

--
RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative
Linux Mint patron

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

Le 04-02-2024, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> a écrit :

> Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>>But when DFS says FOSS is garbage, you prove him
>>right when you are using proprietary software.
>
> You are genuinely stupid, aren't you?

Yes, that's not the discovery of the century.

>>That's all, there is nothing more to understand.
>
> Except that you're a fscking idiot.

You still don't know how to write "fucking". You should learn. It's not
that difficult. Even a fucking idiot like me can learn that.

> Using some closed-source software sure as fsck doesn't "prove" that
> "FOSS is garbage".

When DFS says there is nothing good in FOSS, if the answer is a
proprietary example, it does. There are a lot of ways to answer DFS,
choosing the worst way possible is the same as proving he's right.

And I won't tell you how to answer because any answer you want to do is
stupid. I disagree on a lot of subject with DFS. But one thing is
certain: he knows what he's speaking of. So he clearly knows when he's
plain wrong and write things only to piss off some brain dead cola
users. So in this case, any serious answer is stupid because it's a
waste of time to give someone some information he already knows. So when
he writes something like that, just laugh and move on. Or laugh and
answer with a joke. But don't answer seriously when you are angry
because you only make him laugh more broadly. And really don't answer
seriously with a bad argument it would be only the most fun you can
grant him.

And by the way, it's "fuck", not "fsck", you really have an issue with
your brain. Either you want to use a word and you spell it correctly or
you don't want that word and you use another one. Your way of using
words you don't like is really weird. There are a lot of words in the
English dictionary, you should be able to find some that suit your need.

> FOSS isn't "garbage" or inferior just because it
> may not be the best choice for every application.

It's not the subject. Read. Understand. Answer. In that order. Without
missing any step.

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

Le 05-02-2024, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> a écrit :
> On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,
>
> Sure it can, but it's rare.
>
> The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text
> editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.

OK, I didn't knew about that exception. I heard about it but as I don't
care about anything about text editors except vim-like (I tried a few
times Emacs but I have not enough fingers). I didn't knew it's a FOSS
Windows only tool.

> Most Windows-only software is closed-source and for sale, or has a
> feature-limited version that's free of cost.

Yes.

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

Yes, it's about choice, but not like that. DFS said there is no good
software running on Linux. You have a lot of ways to answer but the only
one to avoid is a proprietary software running under wine example. If you
can't give him any good FOOS example running natively on Linux, it means
nothing exist and it means he's right.

[rbowman]

On 09 Feb 2024 20:46:21 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> Le 05-02-2024, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> a écrit :
>> On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>
>>> Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,
>>
>> Sure it can, but it's rare.
>>
>> The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text
>> editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.
>
> OK, I didn't knew about that exception. I heard about it but as I don't
> care about anything about text editors except vim-like (I tried a few
> times Emacs but I have not enough fingers). I didn't knew it's a FOSS
> Windows only tool.

It's a wonder it hasn't made it to Linux.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/mcwin32/

Midnight Commander started as Miguel de Icaza's clone of the Windows
'Norton Commander' and now it's made it full circle. In the late '90s I
had backported it as an exercise in using what was then mingw32. That in
itself was a spinoff of the Cygwin project. Corinna Vinschen of Cygwin was
interested in a Linuxy environment on Windows where mingw32 aimed at being
able to use gcc to create Windows programs, particularly when Mumit Khan
took over the project. I did a little work creating clean DirectX headers.

Not sure where all those people are now. De Icaza was the real rising
star.

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

Le 10-02-2024, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> a écrit :
> On 09 Feb 2024 20:46:21 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> Le 05-02-2024, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> a écrit :
>>> On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>>
>>>> Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,
>>>
>>> Sure it can, but it's rare.
>>>
>>> The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text
>>> editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.
>>
>> OK, I didn't knew about that exception. I heard about it but as I don't
>> care about anything about text editors except vim-like (I tried a few
>> times Emacs but I have not enough fingers). I didn't knew it's a FOSS
>> Windows only tool.
>
> It's a wonder it hasn't made it to Linux.

Yes. That's why I discovered with DFS' message it's a Windows' only FOSS
application. Normally, FOSS can be move easily to Linux, so if something
starts in Windows and is good, there will always be someone to make it
run on Linux. Something heavily relying on a graphic card or something
like that could be difficult to do, but for a text editor, it shouldn't
be that hard.

[DFS]

And the quality of most Windows software totally blows away the Linux
equivalent.

For instance, the free of cost but limited versions of these proprietary
Windows file renaming apps:

https://www.den4b.com/products/renamer
https://www.advancedrenamer.com

There is no Linux alternative with the same ease of use, features and
good interface.


I might have to neck myself if I was forced to use some piece of crap,
featureless, simple-simon Linux/FOSS tool like Bulky.

https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/linux-mint-bulky-file-renamer-ubuntu-20-04/

[DFS]

He was. As I recall, he started the gnome project, the Mono project and
the gnumeric spreadsheet. At one point he left Linux and embraced Macs,
and even went to work for Microsoft (virtually every FOSS "advocate"
under the sun will sell out directly to Microsoft for the right amount
of money).

[Joel]

DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:

>the quality of most Windows software totally blows away the Linux
>equivalent.
>
>For instance, the free of cost but limited versions of these proprietary
>Windows file renaming apps:
>
>https://www.den4b.com/products/renamer
>https://www.advancedrenamer.com
>
>There is no Linux alternative with the same ease of use, features and
>good interface.
>
>
>I might have to neck myself if I was forced to use some piece of crap,
>featureless, simple-simon Linux/FOSS tool like Bulky.
>
>https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/linux-mint-bulky-file-renamer-ubuntu-20-04/

Not even close to making it worth running Winblows.

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

Le 10-02-2024, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> a écrit :
>
> I might have to neck myself if I was forced to use some piece of crap,
> featureless, simple-simon Linux/FOSS tool like Bulky.
>
> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/linux-mint-bulky-file-renamer-ubuntu-20-04/

Why should you use a graphical version of a basic tools to rename simple
files? It's fast and easy to do on the command line:
<https://fossies.org/linux/privat/old/renameutils-0.12.0.tar.gz/#basic_infos>

Examples from the man page:
================================
EXAMPLES
Given the files foo1, ..., foo9, foo10, ..., foo278, the commands

rename foo foo00 foo?
rename foo foo0 foo??

will turn them into foo001, ..., foo009, foo010, ..., foo278. And

rename .htm .html *.htm

will fix the extension of your html files. Provide an empty string for shortening:

rename '_with_long_name' '' file_with_long_name.*

will remove the substring in the filenames.
================================

On ubuntu/debian they are using another command relying on regex, it's
more powerful but in all the cases I had, the easy command is doing the
job.

[Joel]

Stéphane CARPENTIER <s...@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

>Something running only on Windows can't be
>FOSS

That's totally false, some of my favorite Winblows apps are FOSS.
Doesn't mean I lack equivalents under Linux, though.

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

Le 10-02-2024, Joel <joel...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> Stéphane CARPENTIER <s...@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>
>>Something running only on Windows can't be
>>FOSS
>
> That's totally false, some of my favorite Winblows apps are FOSS.

Like what? DFS provided ONE good example. It's valid but it's an
exception not a proof that I'm totally wrong. So, how many examples can
you provide? For a start, Forté Agent is not FOSS:
<https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php>
You should have a lot to be able to prove me wrong.

[DFS]

On 2/10/2024 7:21 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 10-02-2024, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> a écrit :
>>
>> I might have to neck myself if I was forced to use some piece of crap,
>> featureless, simple-simon Linux/FOSS tool like Bulky.
>>
>> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/linux-mint-bulky-file-renamer-ubuntu-20-04/
>
> Why should you use a graphical version of a basic tools to rename simple
> files? It's fast and easy to do on the command line:

Sure. DOS and Windows has the ren command.

> <https://fossies.org/linux/privat/old/renameutils-0.12.0.tar.gz/#basic_infos>
>
> Examples from the man page:
> ================================
> EXAMPLES
> Given the files foo1, ..., foo9, foo10, ..., foo278, the commands
>
> rename foo foo00 foo?
> rename foo foo0 foo??
>
> will turn them into foo001, ..., foo009, foo010, ..., foo278. And
>
> rename .htm .html *.htm
>
> will fix the extension of your html files. Provide an empty string for shortening:
>
> rename '_with_long_name' '' file_with_long_name.*
>
> will remove the substring in the filenames.
> ================================
>
> On ubuntu/debian they are using another command relying on regex, it's
> more powerful but in all the cases I had, the easy command is doing the
> job.

https://www.den4b.com/products/renamer

previews the new filenames that would result from the sophisticated
rules you can set, including regular expressions. If you agree, you
just hit Apply and it makes the filename changes.

Linux is doomed.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

>> Except that you're a fscking idiot.
>
> You still don't know how to write "fucking". You should learn. It's not
> that difficult. Even a fucking idiot like me can learn that.

It's a pun on the UNIX fsck (file-system check) command.

--
You love your home and want it to be beautiful.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>the quality of most Windows software totally blows away the Linux
>>equivalent.
>>
>>For instance, the free of cost but limited versions of these proprietary
>>Windows file renaming apps:
>>
>>https://www.den4b.com/products/renamer
>>https://www.advancedrenamer.com
>>
>>There is no Linux alternative with the same ease of use, features and
>>good interface.

:-D DFS gotta have his GOOOOOOOIEEEEEEEEE!!!!

>>I might have to neck myself if I was forced to use some piece of crap,
>>featureless, simple-simon Linux/FOSS tool like Bulky.
>>
>>https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/linux-mint-bulky-file-renamer-ubuntu-20-04/
>
> Not even close to making it worth running Winblows.

I use the Perl-based rename app. Uses simple Perl commands (e.g. "s/xxx/yyy/g")
for rules.

There is also a simpler rename in the utils-linux package on Arch.

--
I fell asleep reading a dull book, and I dreamt that I was reading on,
so I woke up from sheer boredom.

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

I know what I do. I don't need two or three ARE-YOU-SURE? buttons each
time I need to do something. When the command is easy, I need it to be
fast.

[chrisv]

Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> (snipped, unread)

I've seen your "logic".

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

Le 10-02-2024, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> a écrit :
> Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> (snipped, unread)

You see, I was not lying.

> I've seen your "logic".

You should try to understand it.

[DFS]

On 2/10/2024 8:57 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>> the quality of most Windows software totally blows away the Linux
>>> equivalent.
>>>
>>> For instance, the free of cost but limited versions of these proprietary
>>> Windows file renaming apps:
>>>
>>> https://www.den4b.com/products/renamer
>>> https://www.advancedrenamer.com
>>>
>>> There is no Linux alternative with the same ease of use, features and
>>> good interface.
>
> :-D DFS gotta have his GOOOOOOOIEEEEEEEEE!!!!

User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)

All GUI, all the time.

Good one, Creepy1

>>> I might have to neck myself if I was forced to use some piece of crap,
>>> featureless, simple-simon Linux/FOSS tool like Bulky.
>>>
>>> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/linux-mint-bulky-file-renamer-ubuntu-20-04/
>>
>> Not even close to making it worth running Winblows.
>
> I use the Perl-based rename app. Uses simple Perl commands (e.g. "s/xxx/yyy/g")
> for rules.
>
> There is also a simpler rename in the utils-linux package on Arch.

ReNamer has extensive options, including: Insert Delete Remove Replace
Rearrange Extension Strip Case Serialize Randomize Padding CleanUp
Translit ReformatDate RegEx PascalScript.

You'll spend days learning the cli commands to do what you can do in a
few minutes with the ReNamer GUI.

Windows FTW!

(I didn't need to tell you that - your entire career was Windows).

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

Le 10-02-2024, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> a écrit :
>

> User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
>
> All GUI, all the time.
>
> Good one, Creepy1

No, slrn is not a GUI. It's a TUI. It runs in a terminal. It's not a
command line but it's keyboard managed. I don't know if a CLI exist for
using usenet, but it should be very uneasy to manage. So TUI is good for
that.

> ReNamer has extensive options, including: Insert Delete Remove Replace
> Rearrange Extension Strip Case Serialize Randomize Padding CleanUp
> Translit ReformatDate RegEx PascalScript.
>
> You'll spend days learning the cli commands to do what you can do in a
> few minutes with the ReNamer GUI.

No, if you already know regex you just use them and you have nothing
more to learn and you can do in a few seconds in the CLI.

[Joel]

Stéphane CARPENTIER <s...@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

>>>Something running only on Windows can't be
>>>FOSS
>>
>> That's totally false, some of my favorite Winblows apps are FOSS.
>
>Like what? DFS provided ONE good example. It's valid but it's an
>exception not a proof that I'm totally wrong. So, how many examples can
>you provide? For a start, Forté Agent is not FOSS:
><https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php>
>You should have a lot to be able to prove me wrong.

Forte Agent shouldn't be FOSS, it's better than any other GUI
newsreader on any platform. But that doesn't make your assertion that
there can't be FOSS for Winblows true.

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

Le 10-02-2024, Joel <joel...@gmail.com> a écrit :

> Stéphane CARPENTIER <s...@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>
>>>>Something running only on Windows can't be
>>>>FOSS
>>>
>>> That's totally false, some of my favorite Winblows apps are FOSS.
>>
>>Like what? DFS provided ONE good example. It's valid but it's an
>>exception not a proof that I'm totally wrong. So, how many examples can
>>you provide? For a start, Forté Agent is not FOSS:
>><https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php>
>>You should have a lot to be able to prove me wrong.
>
>
> Forte Agent shouldn't be FOSS, it's better than any other GUI
> newsreader on any platform. But that doesn't make your assertion that
> there can't be FOSS for Winblows true.

Where are your favorite FOSS Windows only apps? If you can't provide
one, you are just lying proving I'm right.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Le 10-02-2024, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> a écrit :
>>
>> User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
>>
>> All GUI, all the time.

It's an S-lang app, Kind Sir. That is, it uses a text-based interface library
similar to ncurses.

>> Good one, Creepy1

Swing and a miss, Sloppy1.

> No, slrn is not a GUI. It's a TUI. It runs in a terminal. It's not a
> command line but it's keyboard managed. I don't know if a CLI exist for
> using usenet, but it should be very uneasy to manage. So TUI is good for
> that.
>
>> ReNamer has extensive options, including: Insert Delete Remove Replace
>> Rearrange Extension Strip Case Serialize Randomize Padding CleanUp
>> Translit ReformatDate RegEx PascalScript.
>>
>> You'll spend days learning the cli commands to do what you can do in a
>> few minutes with the ReNamer GUI.

You'll spend days learning all those ReNamer options. "PascalScript" LOL

> No, if you already know regex you just use them and you have nothing
> more to learn and you can do in a few seconds in the CLI.

Thank you for your support.

--
Knucklehead: "Knock, knock"
Pee Wee: "Who's there?"
Knucklehead: "Little ol' lady."
Pee Wee: "Liddle ol' lady who?"
Knucklehead: "I didn't know you could yodel"

[rbowman]

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 07:10:40 -0500, DFS wrote:

> He was. As I recall, he started the gnome project, the Mono project and
> the gnumeric spreadsheet. At one point he left Linux and embraced Macs,
> and even went to work for Microsoft (virtually every FOSS "advocate"
> under the sun will sell out directly to Microsoft for the right amount
> of money).

He left Microsoft last year. Several of the other early players wound up
at Red Hat. Programmers have to eat, too.

[chrisv]

rbowman wrote:

>[De Icaza] left Microsoft last year.

Too bad his "mono" Trojan Horse failed, eh? /s

"Hadron" is still crying about that, I think.

--
"Mono is a wonderful attempt to bring applications developed for
Windows to the Linux desktop" - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

[chrisv]

Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> (snipped, unread)

Idiot.

[chrisv]

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

>>
>> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>>
>>> You'll spend days learning the cli commands to do what you can do in a
>>> few minutes with the ReNamer GUI.
>>

>> No, if you already know regex you just use them and you have nothing
>> more to learn and you can do in a few seconds in the CLI.
>
> Thank you for your support.

DumFSck attacking out of ignorance, again? Say it isn't so!

--
"You worship a language that still has no String data type
(null-terminated array of chars... heh!). That didn't have booleans
until 25 years after it was introduced?" - VB "programmer" DumFSck,
ignorantly attacking C

[%]

Joel wrote:
> Stéphane CARPENTIER <s...@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>
>>>> Something running only on Windows can't be
>>>> FOSS
>>>
>>> That's totally false, some of my favorite Winblows apps are FOSS.
>>
>> Like what? DFS provided ONE good example. It's valid but it's an
>> exception not a proof that I'm totally wrong. So, how many examples can
>> you provide? For a start, Forté Agent is not FOSS:
>> <https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php>
>> You should have a lot to be able to prove me wrong.
>
>
> Forte Agent shouldn't be FOSS, it's better than any other GUI
> newsreader on any platform. But that doesn't make your assertion that
> there can't be FOSS for Winblows true.
>

you're like a hamster on a wheel

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

Le 10-02-2024, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> a écrit :

Yes I know.

[Joel]

Stéphane CARPENTIER <s...@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

>>>>>Something running only on Windows can't be
>>>>>FOSS
>>>>
>>>> That's totally false, some of my favorite Winblows apps are FOSS.
>>>
>>>Like what? DFS provided ONE good example. It's valid but it's an
>>>exception not a proof that I'm totally wrong. So, how many examples can
>>>you provide? For a start, Forté Agent is not FOSS:
>>><https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php>
>>>You should have a lot to be able to prove me wrong.
>>
>> Forte Agent shouldn't be FOSS, it's better than any other GUI
>> newsreader on any platform. But that doesn't make your assertion that
>> there can't be FOSS for Winblows true.
>
>Where are your favorite FOSS Windows only apps? If you can't provide
>one, you are just lying proving I'm right.

That's your delusion.

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

Le 10-02-2024, Joel <joel...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> Stéphane CARPENTIER <s...@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>

>>>>> That's totally false, some of my favorite Winblows apps are FOSS.
>>>>

>>Where are your favorite FOSS Windows only apps? If you can't provide
>>one, you are just lying proving I'm right.
>
> That's your delusion.

You tell me some of your favorite applications are FOSS running only on
Windows and you can't provide one. So when am I deluded? When I tried to
let you back your claim? If you believe so, I knew from the start you
wouldn't be able to back your claim.

But, I'm surprised to see you can refuse the obvious like that. It's
very impressive.

[vallor]

On 10 Feb 2024 15:17:44 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <s...@fiat-linux.fr> wrote
in <65c79398$0$11899$426a...@news.free.fr>:

> Le 10-02-2024, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> a écrit :
>>
>> User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
>>
>> All GUI, all the time.
>>
>> Good one, Creepy1
>
> No, slrn is not a GUI. It's a TUI. It runs in a terminal. It's not a
> command line but it's keyboard managed. I don't know if a CLI exist for
> using usenet, but it should be very uneasy to manage. So TUI is good for
> that.

Correct.

I'm not sure why DFS continues to "fight" a "loser's fight".

>
>> ReNamer has extensive options, including: Insert Delete Remove Replace
>> Rearrange Extension Strip Case Serialize Randomize Padding CleanUp
>> Translit ReformatDate RegEx PascalScript.
>>
>> You'll spend days learning the cli commands to do what you can do in a
>> few minutes with the ReNamer GUI.
>
> No, if you already know regex you just use them and you have nothing
> more to learn and you can do in a few seconds in the CLI.

There's also mmv(1).

Also, what if you need to convert (say) a bunch of .bmp
files to .png files? I don't think any renaming apps will
let you insert a transform of some sort...but it can be
done with make(1) or maybe find -exec.

--
-v

[%]

why didn't you just buy a computer that did what you want

[vallor]

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 17:39:09 -0700, % <purse...@gmail.com> wrote in
<q_ucnZh8nJGwilX4...@giganews.com>:

Who sez it doesn't?

$ uname -a
Linux lm 6.7.4 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Feb 6 17:58:05 PST 2024 x86_64
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Looks like it's doing exactly what I want it to do.

--
-v

[%]

but that's not how you bought it , captain nasa

[vallor]

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 18:44:54 -0700, % <purse...@gmail.com> wrote in
<nwKdne7w_dgLu1X4...@giganews.com>:

When I bought this behemoth, there was no Linux 6.7.4. It did
come with Linux installed, though -- MS Windows has never been
installed on this machine.

--
-v

[%]

which does what for usenet

[rbowman]

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 13:23:15 -0600, chrisv wrote:

> Too bad his "mono" Trojan Horse failed, eh? /s
>
> "Hadron" is still crying about that, I think.

https://changelog.com/podcast/275

It's a podcast from 2017 and there is a transcript. He says some
interesting things about open source, Microsoft, and other topics.

Mono was a start. When I set up the new Fedora box I wrote a short Python
program to query the iTunes database and return results for either an
artist or a track title to exercise the Python installation.

Then, using the DotNet SDK I redid it in C# to test that out. The
structure is very similar and it also worked. I could zip up the project,
copy it to Windows, run 'dotnet build' and I would have a Windows version.
Or, with flags to dotnet I could build a Windows version on Linux or vice
versa.

itunes.py also runs on Windows of course.

The only drawback so far with .NET on Linux are the WinForm GUIs Mono
tried to provide. Both WinForms and WPF are wrappers on the Windows API so
porting is a problem. They tried Gtk and Wine but neither were
satisfactory.

.NET MAUI is the continuation of Xamarin but so far it only targets iOS,
macOS, Android, and Windows which is disappointing.

[vallor]

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 19:24:38 -0700, % <purse...@gmail.com> wrote in
<TfacnfEbFOt6slX4...@giganews.com>:

It allows me to post about how to change Seamonkey's
colors in alt.slack!

--
-v

[%]

that's funny i use windows but i've never spoke about color changing

[rbowman]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 01:20:46 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:


> $ uname -a Linux lm 6.7.4 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Feb 6 17:58:05 PST
> 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Damn Ubuntu is lagging:

Linux kropotkin 6.5.0-14-generic

I haven't rebooted yet but the Fedora box just got 6.7.4

[vallor]

On 11 Feb 2024 06:26:00 GMT, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote in
<l2r7jo...@mid.individual.net>:

To be honest, I haven't noticed much difference between
Linux 5 and 6. I do like the low-latency kernel that I
built with my own two mitts, and was very happy that
the System76 drivers worked after being built via dkms.

--
-v

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

I can't see your message, so I'm answering there.

> vallor wrote:
>>
>> Also, what if you need to convert (say) a bunch of .bmp
>> files to .png files? I don't think any renaming apps will
>> let you insert a transform of some sort...but it can be
>> done with make(1) or maybe find -exec.

You have ImageMagick for that. It's great. The need to convert is not
the need to rename. So the tools are not the same.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

The Perl rename program supports regex transformations. That's just the
filename, though.

You can probably use shell globbing and ImageMagick (the "convert" command)
to convert a bunch of files at once.

Or write a simple script using "for FILE in $* ; do ...".

When I need to send in a scanned document (e.g. something I had to print out
and sign), I scan it (using skanlite on a Canoscan LIDE) into a JPEG and then
convert it to a PDF with ImageMagick:

$ convert scan.jpeg scan.pdf

Easy peasy.

--
"Elves and Dragons!" I says to him. "Cabbages and potatoes are better
for you and me."
-- J. R. R. Tolkien

[vallor]

On 11 Feb 2024 09:32:18 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <s...@fiat-linux.fr> wrote
in <65c89422$0$2576$426a...@news.free.fr>:

> I can't see your message, so I'm answering there.
>
>> vallor wrote:
>>>
>>> Also, what if you need to convert (say) a bunch of .bmp files to .png
>>> files? I don't think any renaming apps will let you insert a
>>> transform of some sort...but it can be done with make(1) or maybe find
>>> -exec.
>
> You have ImageMagick for that. It's great. The need to convert is not
> the need to rename. So the tools are not the same.

Yes, and in ImageMagick, you're needing to write:

for II in *.bmp ; do convert $II `basename $II .bmp`.png; done

...but what if you've already converted some files?

I actually wrote a perl program, "picture_queue_converter.pl",
which only updates files if there is no corresponding
.png file, while continuously monitoring the .bmp directory. Could
do most of that in a shell script, but running make(1) in a while loop
could do the trick, too.

But you're right: that's not renaming files.

--
-v

[Joel]

Stéphane CARPENTIER <s...@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

>>>>>> That's totally false, some of my favorite Winblows apps are FOSS.
>>>>>
>>>Where are your favorite FOSS Windows only apps? If you can't provide
>>>one, you are just lying proving I'm right.
>>
>> That's your delusion.
>
>You tell me some of your favorite applications are FOSS running only on
>Windows and you can't provide one. So when am I deluded? When I tried to
>let you back your claim? If you believe so, I knew from the start you
>wouldn't be able to back your claim.
>
>But, I'm surprised to see you can refuse the obvious like that. It's
>very impressive.

https://www.sumatrapdfreader.org/free-pdf-reader

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

Le 11-02-2024, Joel <joel...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> Stéphane CARPENTIER <s...@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> That's totally false, some of my favorite Winblows apps are FOSS.
>>>>>>
>>>>Where are your favorite FOSS Windows only apps? If you can't provide
>>>>one, you are just lying proving I'm right.
>>>
>>> That's your delusion.
>>
>>You tell me some of your favorite applications are FOSS running only on
>>Windows and you can't provide one. So when am I deluded? When I tried to
>>let you back your claim? If you believe so, I knew from the start you
>>wouldn't be able to back your claim.
>>
>>But, I'm surprised to see you can refuse the obvious like that. It's
>>very impressive.
>
>
> https://www.sumatrapdfreader.org/free-pdf-reader

OK, that's a start. It's not as well used as notepad++ and I had never
heard of it. At the same time I understand why it's running only on
Windows because if I don't understand why, it looks like it relied a lot
on Windows features. But I also understand why nobody tried to port it
on Linux because I see nothing of interest with it: I see nothing other
tools running natively on Linux don't do. That's probably why I never
heard of it.

But let say it can be considered a valid argument.

[Farley Flud]

On 11 Feb 2024 21:41:00 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

>>
>> https://www.sumatrapdfreader.org/free-pdf-reader
>
> OK, that's a start. It's not as well used as notepad++ and I had never
> heard of it. At the same time I understand why it's running only on
> Windows because if I don't understand why, it looks like it relied a lot
> on Windows features. But I also understand why nobody tried to port it
> on Linux because I see nothing of interest with it
>

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Sumatra depends entirely on the FOSS MuPDF. It's another fucking
rip off.

https://mupdf.com/

MuPDF is developed by Artifex, the same organization that produces
ghostscript, which is the de facto PostScript/PDF processor for
GNU/Linux.

[candycanearter07]

On 2/9/24 18:34, rbowman wrote:
> On 09 Feb 2024 20:46:21 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> Le 05-02-2024, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> a écrit :
>>> On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>>
>>>> Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,
>>>
>>> Sure it can, but it's rare.
>>>
>>> The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text
>>> editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.
>>
>> OK, I didn't knew about that exception. I heard about it but as I don't
>> care about anything about text editors except vim-like (I tried a few
>> times Emacs but I have not enough fingers). I didn't knew it's a FOSS
>> Windows only tool.
>
> It's a wonder it hasn't made it to Linux.

Yeah, but at least there's some good text editors on Linux. Even the
default ones, like xed, usually have syntax highlighting.

> https://sourceforge.net/projects/mcwin32/
>
> Midnight Commander started as Miguel de Icaza's clone of the Windows
> 'Norton Commander' and now it's made it full circle. In the late '90s I
> had backported it as an exercise in using what was then mingw32. That in
> itself was a spinoff of the Cygwin project. Corinna Vinschen of Cygwin was
> interested in a Linuxy environment on Windows where mingw32 aimed at being
> able to use gcc to create Windows programs, particularly when Mumit Khan
> took over the project. I did a little work creating clean DirectX headers.
>
> Not sure where all those people are now. De Icaza was the real rising
> star.

One of my favorite applications to pull out when copying a bunch of
files. ytree is another fun "retro" tui file manager I like too.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

[candycanearter07]

I believe there's a mogrify option that modifies everything of a certain
type and renames the extension. I don't remember it off the top of my
head tho.

[Joel]

candycanearter07 <n...@thanks.net> wrote:

>at least there's some good text editors on Linux. Even the
>default ones, like xed, usually have syntax highlighting.

I have not had a reason to use anything but xed, although Kate is
useful for searching long chat log files.

[candycanearter07]

On 2/12/24 10:33, Joel wrote:
> candycanearter07 <n...@thanks.net> wrote:
>
>> at least there's some good text editors on Linux. Even the
>> default ones, like xed, usually have syntax highlighting.
>
>
> I have not had a reason to use anything but xed, although Kate is
> useful for searching long chat log files.

I use pycharm and codeblocks for python and c/c++ respectively.

[RonB]

On 2024-02-12, candycanearter07 <n...@thanks.net> wrote:
> On 2/9/24 18:34, rbowman wrote:
>> On 09 Feb 2024 20:46:21 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>
>>> Le 05-02-2024, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> a écrit :
>>>> On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,
>>>>
>>>> Sure it can, but it's rare.
>>>>
>>>> The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text
>>>> editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.
>>>
>>> OK, I didn't knew about that exception. I heard about it but as I don't
>>> care about anything about text editors except vim-like (I tried a few
>>> times Emacs but I have not enough fingers). I didn't knew it's a FOSS
>>> Windows only tool.
>>
>> It's a wonder it hasn't made it to Linux.
>
> Yeah, but at least there's some good text editors on Linux. Even the
> default ones, like xed, usually have syntax highlighting.

Jstar (JOE) has syntax highlighting as well.

>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/mcwin32/
>>
>> Midnight Commander started as Miguel de Icaza's clone of the Windows
>> 'Norton Commander' and now it's made it full circle. In the late '90s I
>> had backported it as an exercise in using what was then mingw32. That in
>> itself was a spinoff of the Cygwin project. Corinna Vinschen of Cygwin was
>> interested in a Linuxy environment on Windows where mingw32 aimed at being
>> able to use gcc to create Windows programs, particularly when Mumit Khan
>> took over the project. I did a little work creating clean DirectX headers.
>>
>> Not sure where all those people are now. De Icaza was the real rising
>> star.
>
> One of my favorite applications to pull out when copying a bunch of
> files. ytree is another fun "retro" tui file manager I like too.


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[candycanearter07]

On 2/12/24 11:44, RonB wrote:
> On 2024-02-12, candycanearter07 <n...@thanks.net> wrote:
>> On 2/9/24 18:34, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 09 Feb 2024 20:46:21 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>>
>>>> Le 05-02-2024, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> a écrit :
>>>>> On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure it can, but it's rare.
>>>>>
>>>>> The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text
>>>>> editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.
>>>>
>>>> OK, I didn't knew about that exception. I heard about it but as I don't
>>>> care about anything about text editors except vim-like (I tried a few
>>>> times Emacs but I have not enough fingers). I didn't knew it's a FOSS
>>>> Windows only tool.
>>>
>>> It's a wonder it hasn't made it to Linux.
>>
>> Yeah, but at least there's some good text editors on Linux. Even the
>> default ones, like xed, usually have syntax highlighting.
>
> Jstar (JOE) has syntax highlighting as well.

Sweet. I'll have to check it out some time.
[snip]

[rbowman]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 11:11:15 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:

> On 2/12/24 10:33, Joel wrote:
>> candycanearter07 <n...@thanks.net> wrote:
>>
>>> at least there's some good text editors on Linux. Even the default
>>> ones, like xed, usually have syntax highlighting.
>>
>>
>> I have not had a reason to use anything but xed, although Kate is
>> useful for searching long chat log files.
>
> I use pycharm and codeblocks for python and c/c++ respectively.

Shoot me but I've mostly been using VSCode for Python. The PyLance and
PythonDebugger extensions work well. If not that I use gVim. PyCharm and
Spyder are okay but code is a little more versatile. I haven't done much
with it yet but the PlatformIO extension is supposed to play well with
Arduino and other similar boards. It does C# very well but really eats up
memory for some reason. I think MS sneaks a bit of AI in for that.

Yes, Virginia, that's on Linux. And Windows of course.

[candycanearter07]

*le gasp* NO!

I don't really care that much, I think I used VSC when I started. It
definitely has some polish..

[DFS]

On 2/3/2024 1:13 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:


>> So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
>> and "I will probably never run Linux again"?
>
>
> I was kidding myself, I think.


Were you kidding yourself when you said:

"Win10/11 gives me more enjoyment, in using my machine." ?

[Joel]

I think I wasn't perceiving the long term value of it. Once I started
to really see the trajectory of what I'd be using over the lifetime of
the computer, it became clear Linux was the way to get the most out of
it. But I'm not dissing the experience of Windows.

[RabidPedagog]

The only things that make Windows 11 more enjoyable for me are access to
my movie collection in Microsoft Films & TV (I have more movies there
than I realized) and not having to fiddle around to get my games to work
in Steam, GOG, Epic or the other services. If you have no need for such
media, Linux is a lot more responsive and more secure.

However, I will admit that I am happy my fingerprint sensor is working
again and I hope that I am correct that it was a serious problem with
the latest driver being offered by Microsoft. As insecure as logging in
with your fingerprint is, I appreciate not having to put in my
needlessly long pin. Putting in fifteen characters without a numpad on
my laptop gets annoying.

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[RonB]

I disable fingerprint sensors on my smartphones (and don't use them on the
laptops that have them), so no fingerprint sensor support would be a plus
for me.

[RabidPedagog]

On 2024-02-20 11:24 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-02-20, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 2024-02-20 8:17 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>> On 2/3/2024 1:13 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>> DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
>>>>> and "I will probably never run Linux again"?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was kidding myself, I think.
>>>
>>>
>>> Were you kidding yourself when you said:
>>>
>>> "Win10/11 gives me more enjoyment, in using my machine." ?
>>
>> The only things that make Windows 11 more enjoyable for me are access to
>> my movie collection in Microsoft Films & TV (I have more movies there
>> than I realized) and not having to fiddle around to get my games to work
>> in Steam, GOG, Epic or the other services. If you have no need for such
>> media, Linux is a lot more responsive and more secure.
>>
>> However, I will admit that I am happy my fingerprint sensor is working
>> again and I hope that I am correct that it was a serious problem with
>> the latest driver being offered by Microsoft. As insecure as logging in
>> with your fingerprint is, I appreciate not having to put in my
>> needlessly long pin. Putting in fifteen characters without a numpad on
>> my laptop gets annoying.
>
> I disable fingerprint sensors on my smartphones (and don't use them on the
> laptops that have them), so no fingerprint sensor support would be a plus
> for me.

It's clearly not the most secure way of logging in but the ease it
provides in logging in or doing anything which requires administrative
rights is excellent. In using Windows, I don't believe I have any kind
of security anyway.

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Catholic paleoconservative

[RonB]

I don't want my fingerprint on the Internet where anyone can grab it and
misuse it. It takes me just a second to type in my password.

[RabidPedagog]

That is indeed true.

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Catholic paleoconservative

[Incubus]

Joel wrote:
> DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>>> So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
>>>> and "I will probably never run Linux again"?
>>>
>>> I was kidding myself, I think.
>>
>> Were you kidding yourself when you said:
>>
>> "Win10/11 gives me more enjoyment, in using my machine." ?
>
>
> I think I wasn't perceiving the long term value of it. Once I started
> to really see the trajectory of what I'd be using over the lifetime of
> the computer, it became clear Linux was the way to get the most out of
> it. But I'm not dissing the experience of Windows.

I never thought that I would say this but Windows 11 is rock solid. I
have been using it for hundreds of hours on my gaming handhelds and
having had to get a cheap Windows laptop to use my 35mm film scanner, I
was surprised to find that it's a decent desktop OS. It seems as though
MS has taken inspiration from other OSes in terms of its design. Once I
removed everything annoying, it stays out of my way.

Most of the arguments against MS are no longer in place. Stability is
what it should be, it's efficient (and modern SSDs make old hardware
usable with any modern OS) and MS no longer has such toxic tactics now
that their founder and the psychopath who replaced him are gone.

There's no doubt that Linux is a better OS for software development,
though. My work laptop will continue to be Linux.

[RabidPedagog]

On 2024-02-21 6:20 p.m., Incubus wrote:
> Joel wrote:
>> DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
>>>>> and "I will probably never run Linux again"?
>>>>
>>>> I was kidding myself, I think.
>>>
>>> Were you kidding yourself when you said:
>>>
>>> "Win10/11 gives me more enjoyment, in using my machine." ?
>>
>>
>> I think I wasn't perceiving the long term value of it.  Once I started
>> to really see the trajectory of what I'd be using over the lifetime of
>> the computer, it became clear Linux was the way to get the most out of
>> it.  But I'm not dissing the experience of Windows.
>
> I never thought that I would say this but Windows 11 is rock solid.  I
> have been using it for hundreds of hours on my gaming handhelds and
> having had to get a cheap Windows laptop to use my 35mm film scanner, I
> was surprised to find that it's a decent desktop OS.  It seems as though
> MS has taken inspiration from other OSes in terms of its design.  Once I
> removed everything annoying, it stays out of my way.

It has a tendency to break though. I only reinstalled the operating
system a week ago and already, I had to repair with SFC twice. Once
right after the updates were installed and yesterday because it felt
like something was off. How those system files keep getting corrupted is
a mystery to me but I blame the NTFS filesystem.

> Most of the arguments against MS are no longer in place.  Stability is
> what it should be, it's efficient (and modern SSDs make old hardware
> usable with any modern OS) and MS no longer has such toxic tactics now
> that their founder and the psychopath who replaced him are gone.

They still very strongly insist that you use Edge and if you do but
decide to use a different search engine, it will periodically give you a
installation screen to trick you into restoring the default settings.
This is toxic behaviour. The only way to avoid it is to ignore Edge
entirely.

> There's no doubt that Linux is a better OS for software development,
> though.  My work laptop will continue to be Linux.

Linux still offers you the freedom to do whatever you want with the
machine that you own. Windows, like today's Western governments, only
offer you the illusion of freedom. Little by little, the amount of
things Microsoft wants Windows to control for you increases and we
already know how they feel about you "owning" your machine with their
activation process.

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