Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive
Summercool
lost.
After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:
drive.
So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.
I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.
I needed to reinstall every single application.
I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.
I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.
How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard
drive without a single warning?
Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of
work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases
whole hard drive without warning.
The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the
content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as
the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":
http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg
I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that
some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know
it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just
say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best
right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.
When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",
choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my
entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is
already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C
drive and erase everything in it."
Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think
about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as
skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read
thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just
spend a little time to warn time before doing something as destructive
as erasing the whole hard drive.
Peter Köhlmann
< snip admittance of being a total retard >
Idiot
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Rick
> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
> lost.
>
> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:
> drive.
No, you chose to format your hard drive. There is no C: designatoinunder
Linux.
>
> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.
No, you didn't have to.
>
> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.
No backups?
>
> I needed to reinstall every single application.
.. after you erased them.
>
> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.
.. after you erased them.
>
> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.
Yes, you did.
>
> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard
> drive without a single warning?
... you should have read the installation instructions.
>
> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of work,
> or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases whole
> hard drive without warning.
>
> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the
> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as
> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":
>
> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg
Can you not read:
Guided - use entire disk.
>
> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that
> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know it
> isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just say
> "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best right
> after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.
Guided - use entire disk.
>
> When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",
> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my
> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is
> already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C drive
> and erase everything in it."
No, it doesn't. It means use the entire disk.
>
> Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think about
> it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as skilled as
> you who will be using it. People don't have time to read thousands of
> words of warning and note for the installation. Just spend a little time
> to warn time before doing something as destructive as erasing the whole
> hard drive.
This is a lousy troll attempt. Try harder next time.
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[H]omer
> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
> lost.
After installing XP on my P4, it seems that my bootloader was lost.
Then, as a bonus, on six occasions (so far) XP destroyed the RAID array
due to buggy drivers, and wiped out 3 operating systems (XP, FC5, FC7).
XP's quite good at destroying monitors too, since every time I run a
DirectX game, it changes the refresh rate to something too high to be
displayed (invalid sync), despite changing the advanced nVidia frequency
settings to try to keep them in spec. Eventually I needed to use a third
party utility called RefreshLock to force this brain-dead OS to capitulate.
But more than anything else, XP is stunningly proficient at simply
destroying /itself/. A stiff breeze will blow it over, and more often
than not, the only recourse is the world famous WipeNReinstall®, as
recommended by highly qualified MSCE professionals the world over.
But fear not, Windows fans, for we have Vista to the rescue ... twice
the bloat, twice the crashes, twice the price, twice the restrictions,
and half the functionality.
If that doesn't tickle your fancy, then just install GNU/Linux instead,
but remember to grow a brain and RTFM first, or you may end up like our
friend flatfish, who posts fake "help" posts through Google, during the
short breaks he gets from medical supervision in the mental ward.
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Summercool
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:03:21 +0000, Summercool wrote:
>
> > The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the
> > content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as
> > the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":
>
> > http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg
>
> Can you not read:
>
> Guided - use entire disk.
As I said, it asks "How would you like to partition?"
Partition doesn't have a meaning of "Erasing everything". What It is
doing is actually Erase everything and Partition. It shouldn't bet on
the vague point for something so dramatic.
And some of you guys, grow a heart.
Computers are still to work for people, not the other way around.
Ron Hardin
spi...@freenet.co.uk
Summercool <Summerc...@gmail.com> didnst hastily scribble thusly:
> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
> lost.
> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:
> drive.
> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.
That's what you get when you don't read the instructions.
HAH!
> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.
Awwww, diddums.
> I needed to reinstall every single application.
Well, you would if you blanked your hard drive. Duuuuuh
> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.
Well, you would if you blanked your hard drive. Duuuuuh
> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.
Well, you would if you blanked your hard drive. Duuuuuh
> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard
> drive without a single warning?
It gives you warnings.
It warns you to backup before proceeding, or did last time I checked.
It warns you to be careful with your partitioning.
If you're an idiot who gives ubuntu your "C:" drive to format, you're the
only one to blame.
> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of
> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases
> whole hard drive without warning.
Just because they TELL ubuntu to erase their hard drive.
With plenty of warning.
It's not ubuntu's fault if they click the wrong buttons during install
without reading the directives.
> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that
> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know
> it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just
> say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best
> right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.
Because, for someone with half a clue at least, it isn't their entire hard
drive that gets erased. It's only the partitions they ALLOW it to tough.
> When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",
> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my
> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is
> already there".
HAHAH! typical windows troll mentality. I told it to erase my entire hard
drive and now I blame IT for doing exactly what I said.
> And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C
> drive and erase everything in it."
didn't occur to you to read the other options. Quoting out of context.
Another typical windows troll stupidity.
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Summercool <Summerc...@gmail.com> didnst hastily scribble thusly:
>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:03:21 +0000, Summercool wrote:
>>
>> > The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the
>> > content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as
>> > the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":
>>
>> > http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg
>>
>> Can you not read:
>>
>> Guided - use entire disk.
> As I said, it asks "How would you like to partition?"
> Partition doesn't have a meaning of "Erasing everything".
It does if you tell it to use the entire disk.
You're switching to a new operating system for which you have absolutely no
experience and decide to install it onto your machine...
Do you:
A: Read the instructions and get as much information as possible. Follow the
directives ensuring you backed up all valuable data before continuing and
follow the on screen instructions as and when they appear...
or
B: Click buttons randomly like a chimpanzee and hope for the best?
> What It is
> doing is actually Erase everything and Partition. It shouldn't bet on
> the vague point for something so dramatic.
It feckin WARNED you, you moron.
Probably numerous times before you got to the point of wiping out your
partition table and having it create a new one for you, writing the
filesystems to those new partitions and utterly obliterating the old hard
drive contents.
> And some of you guys, grow a heart.
> Computers are still to work for people, not the other way around.
People have to read instructions to avoid stupidities like this.
If you can't do that, you have no excuse when you wipe out a system.
You got exactly what you deserved.
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Handover Phist
> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
> lost.
You mean /dev/hda?
> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:
> drive.
/dev/hda, not C:
> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.
Ah, that would turn it back into C:
> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.
Yeah?
> I needed to reinstall every single application.
That'll happen when you format your drive.
> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.
That'll happen when you format your drive.
> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.
No, you were schooled.
> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard
> drive without a single warning?
You were warned, you just didn't read.
> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of
> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases
> whole hard drive without warning.
You were warned AND you didn't have a backup. Get a home tech.
> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the
> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as
> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":
Dude, it's /dev/hda. Not C:
> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg
Do you know what partitioning is? Did you do any research whatsoever
before erasing all of your stuff?
> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that
> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know
> it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just
> say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best
> right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.
You need to learn, or experience will teach you. You also need to listen
to any high school student when they say "back up your crap, dumbass".
> When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",
> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my
> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is
> already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C
> drive and erase everything in it."
You misinterpreted what it said, then posted that misinterpretation to
usenet for the world to see. You must be very proud.
> Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think
> about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as
> skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read
> thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just
> spend a little time to warn time before doing something as destructive
> as erasing the whole hard drive.
You don't have time to read directions? You know what they say about
people like you? "He couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the directions
were written on the heel".
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Handover Phist
Fuck off. "Use entire disk" means use entire disk.
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chrisv
>> I needed to reinstall every single application.
>
>.. after you erased them.
You mean over-writing your HD makes you lose what was on there before?
How are people supposed to know that?????
8)
chrisv
>After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
>lost.
Including the viruses and spyware.
George Orwell
> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
> lost.
[...]
> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the
> content in drive C: will be totally erased.
What part of "use entire disk" is ambiguous?
*shrug*
Clearly a case of PEBKAC. It's a shame you lost all your data to learn
this lesson, but computers are a volatile storage media by nature and
inattentive operators compound that problem.
I suggest that you resolve to first learn about backups.
Then, educate yourself on the finer points of managing your resources
through a process of trial and (more) error. Repeat your experiments
with various OS installs, and discover that if you blunder through it
without thinking about what it is you're doing they'll ALL nuke your
data.
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Gregory Shearman
> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
> lost.
>
> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:
> drive.
>
Stop right there!
You didn't make a backup? Why not?
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> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard
> drive without a single warning?
Horse shit.
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> or
> B: Click buttons randomly like a chimpanzee and hope for the best?
DINGDINGDINGDINGDING
Anonymous
> On Oct 16, 3:34 am, Rick <n...@nomail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:03:21 +0000, Summercool wrote:
> >
> > > The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you
> > > the content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it
> > > is set as the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":
> >
> > > http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg
> >
> > Can you not read:
> >
> > Guided - use entire disk.
>
> As I said, it asks "How would you like to partition?"
> Partition doesn't have a meaning of "Erasing everything". What It is
Actually that's exactly what it means. Partitioning is a destructive
process. Always. When you partition an "entire drive" guess how much
data is destroyed?
> doing is actually Erase everything and Partition. It shouldn't bet on
> the vague point for something so dramatic.
There's nothing at all vague about it. If you owned a piece of property
with a house sitting on it and someone asked you if you wanted them to
use the entire property to build you a new house, what do you suppose
would happen to the old one?
Yes, it really is that obvious and you really are that silly looking
for ranting about something you did to yourself.
>
> And some of you guys, grow a heart.
> Computers are still to work for people, not the other way around.
If you're blindly mucking around with the partitions on a "work" machine
without backups, you pretty much deserve whatever you get. Fool and his
money principal. Sorry.
Roy Schestowitz
> Summercool wrote:
>
> < snip admittance of being a total retard >
>
> Idiot
Isn't that Gary?
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> ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Tuesday 16 October 2007 11:18 : \____
>
>> Summercool wrote:
>>
>> < snip admittance of being a total retard >
>>
>> Idiot
>
> Isn't that Gary?
>
Quite probably
Certainly stupid enough to be flatfish (or the "linux-sux" cretin, for that
matter)
I always wonder how those trailer trash guys manage to breathe on their own
with that single rotten braincell
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You at least gave the OP the benefit of the doubt. Kind of you...
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ray
> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
> lost.
>
> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:
> drive.
>
> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.
>
> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.
>
> I needed to reinstall every single application.
>
> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.
>
> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.
>
> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard
> drive without a single warning?
It doesn't. You made an incorrect choice.
>
> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of
> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases
> whole hard drive without warning.
It doesn't. You made an incorrect choice.
>
> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the
> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as
> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":
>
> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg
>
> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that
> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know
> it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just
> say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best
> right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.
>
> When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",
> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my
> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is
> already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C
> drive and erase everything in it."
"Use entire drive" means just what it says - allow Ubuntu to install
itself on THE ENTIRE DRIVE.
nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu
to install Ubuntu again under any circumstances. Then you won't have
to come back here with horror stories about what Linux did to your
computer and you'll be happy ever afterwards in your Vista world.
Something tells me you will be back, however. We've got a steady
stream of one-time posters with their Linux horror stories appearing
on this newsgroup. Some people might even suspect that you are one
of them.
Funny how we get all these complaints about what Linux did to people's
computers, but never anyone who has asked advice before proceeding.
bob
Just restore from your latest back up.
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rodolfo....@gmail.com
What do you expect?
You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the
typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.
Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do
your homework.
You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of
interesting stuff like that.
You see, Linux is not like Windows.
Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.
You have nobody to blame but yourself.
Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> Just restore from your latest back up.
<summercool> What's a backup? </summercool>
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Remeber to wipe yourself before you reinstall windows
DanS
@mid.individual.net:
Linux has nothing to do with this particular users problem.
Guess what....Windows asks how you want to partition the drive too, so if
you have no clue as to what partitioning is or what it actually means,
you could get screwed no matter what OS you are installing.
So there's noone/thing to blame except the user in this case.
[H]omer
> Yes. Here is what you should do. Go back to Windows Vista, never
> try to install Ubuntu again under any circumstances. Then you won't
> have to come back here with horror stories about what Linux did to
> your computer and you'll be happy ever afterwards in your Vista
> world.
>
> Something tells me you will be back, however. We've got a steady
> stream of one-time posters with their Linux horror stories appearing
> on this newsgroup. Some people might even suspect that you are one of
> them.
The classic was that Troll called BushIsATraitor (well at least the
Troll wasn't entirely without merit) but he was a slavering anti-Linux
nutcase ... until the day he tried MS Office 2007 ... then he gave a
huge rant about how diabolically crap it was, and was never seen again
(presumably he decided that he couldn't take it any more, and promptly
committed suicide by throwing himself into the Humboldt Penguins
enclosure at Whipsnade Zoo:
http://www.zsl.org/zsl-whipsnade-zoo/meet-the-animals/all/humboldt-penguins,24,AN.html
"These penguins hunt in groups"
Hmm, sounds familiar. :)
> Funny how we get all these complaints about what Linux did to
> people's computers, but never anyone who has asked advice before
> proceeding.
It ain't funny ... it's fish+++y.
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Ignoramus1841
instructions, and lost your data. The instructions, indeed, can be to
blame if they did not include a very clear warning about erasing your
hard drive. Your trouble is basically partly due to your fault, as
well as due to unclear instructions.
Install Vista again, buy one more hard drive, and install Linux on
another hard drive. It is a safer approach, plus, it allows for some
data backup between the two hard drives.
My friend had an opposite experience, he tried to install Vista and
blew away everything he had.
Shit happens. Looks like you did not lose much.
My suggestion is to buy a hard drive for Linux, and a USB drive for
backup. Actually verify that backup is taking place every night.
i
Summercool
>
> Installing Ubuntu erased the whole hard drive without warning
Partition merely means dividing the data. It doesn't mean erasing.
I can partition my drive without losing a single file.
yet ubuntu's partition didn't clearly say that it will erase the whole
drive besides dividing the drive.
posting on the Mac forum gets a warm feeling. posting on the Windows
forum still get a helpful feeling. on Linux it is the very opposite
of Mac.
olfart
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Frank
Richard Urban
other operating systems are already on the computer. (bait)
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Ignoramus1841
> In other words, linux is not for the average use to perform an install when
> other operating systems are already on the computer. (bait)
>
Any install of Windows would blow away other operating systems due to
its use of bootloader, right?
i
lee h
> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
>> lost.
>>
For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi
(Windows Ubuntu Installer).
"Wubi is an unofficial Ubuntu installer for Windows users that will bring you
into the Linux world with a single click. Wubi allows you to install and
uninstall Ubuntu Linux as any other application."
http://www.download.com/3000-2098_4-10702316.html
Jeremy Fisher
> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
> lost.
>
On a positive note, you have reminded people the importance of good backups,
that even with clear instructions people will still screw up, so if its
important back it up.
Your post is also a reminder that of setting up dual booting, windows first
then linux, get it wrong windows screws your system.
A good tip with linux is to give your 'home' files its own partion, it also
pays to go beyond sticking the disk in and letting the software do its
thing, read up on on how linux uses the HD. On my main box when I dual
booted I always used a second drive, today I set the partions as I want
them before installing, have a look at http://partedmagic.com/ its a nice
bootable distro that has the tools you need to do this or use it to learn
how your disk is set out.
Jem..
chrisv
>Linux is
*plonk*
John John
> Partition merely means dividing the data. It doesn't mean erasing.
>
> I can partition my drive without losing a single file.
Can you do that with the disk utility (diskpart) that is used to do
partition work when you install Windows XP? Can it partition or
repartition your drive without loss of data?
> yet ubuntu's partition didn't clearly say that it will erase the whole
> drive besides dividing the drive.
Yes, I agree, it should have warned you, but then it is not a secret
that doing this kind of work can result in loss of data!
John
Darth Chaos
Dude, are you for real?
Anyway, I fart in your general direction.
Snuff
Well not quite. Windows always overwrites the boot partition and
thereby screws grub, lilo or whatever.
However, all you need is your linux install disk and a bit of
knowledge and you can get to a command line in Linux, reinstall grub
to the boot partition and be back in business in no time.
Strangely, despite being a former penguinista, I find that Vista is
alright for me (save a few flaws with my business's web based accounts
system) and that I cannot be bothered with the challenge of how to
make linux do what I want any more. Anyway, if I want quasi unix, I
have an iMac for that sort of thing!
Ignoramus1841
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:44:34 -0500, Ignoramus1841
><ignora...@NOSPAM.1841.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2007-10-16, Richard Urban <richardurba...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> In other words, linux is not for the average use to perform an install when
>>> other operating systems are already on the computer. (bait)
>>>
>>
>>Any install of Windows would blow away other operating systems due to
>>its use of bootloader, right?
>>
>>i
> Well not quite. Windows always overwrites the boot partition and
> thereby screws grub, lilo or whatever.
>
> However, all you need is your linux install disk and a bit of
> knowledge and you can get to a command line in Linux, reinstall grub
> to the boot partition and be back in business in no time.
Yes.
> Strangely, despite being a former penguinista, I find that Vista is
> alright for me (save a few flaws with my business's web based
> accounts system) and that I cannot be bothered with the challenge of
> how to make linux do what I want any more. Anyway, if I want quasi
> unix, I have an iMac for that sort of thing!
Mac is Unix, not quasi Unix.
Just curious, how long does it take Vista to boot?
i
Gene Jones
> > Installing Ubuntu erased the whole hard drive without warning
>
> Partition merely means dividing the data. It doesn't mean erasing.
>
> I can partition my drive without losing a single file.
>
> yet ubuntu's partition didn't clearly say that it will erase the whole
> drive besides dividing the drive.
>
> posting on the Mac forum gets a warm feeling. posting on the Windows
> forum still get a helpful feeling. on Linux it is the very opposite
> of Mac.
linux will always remain the domain of poorly crafted code. sorry for
your loss, but linux kids will bitch and complain that it is YOUR fault,
while Mac users will smile and simply say: "you should have bought a
mac".
linux is for hackers and the poor, it's not a usable OS unless you are a
looser in life.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/4e798345b0867259/a47e92401f123e53#a47e92401f123e53
>>
>> Installing Ubuntu erased the whole hard drive without warning
> Partition merely means dividing the data. It doesn't mean erasing.
Hahaha, clueless to the last.
> I can partition my drive without losing a single file.
If you tell it to partition the whole drive?
Let's see this wonder of wonders then shall we?
> yet ubuntu's partition didn't clearly say that it will erase the whole
> drive besides dividing the drive.
Yes, it did.
> posting on the Mac forum gets a warm feeling. posting on the Windows
> forum still get a helpful feeling. on Linux it is the very opposite
> of Mac.
A: This isn't a forum, this is a newsgroup. You don't even know THAT?
B: Try posting to the mac advocacy newsgroup about installing something and
getting your partition table wiped cos you said use the whole drive, see
where it gets you. Do the same in the windows advocacy group...
GOD, he gets stupider with every post.
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dennis@home
"lee h" <no...@domain.invalid> wrote in message
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> rodolfo....@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
>>> lost.
>>>
>
> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi
> (Windows Ubuntu Installer).
Its a bit too late for that.
The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux user
will stick with something else.
This is the problem with Linux .. it is written by geeks who have no idea
how simple it has to be for the mass market.
Windows would have warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux
partition and that would be after selecting the partition and saying delete.
chrisv
> sorry for
> your loss, but linux kids will bitch and complain that it is YOUR fault,
Which it was. Only a freaking idiot does partitioning and such on an
"important" machine without the knowledge that such things have the
ability to cause data loss, especially when you don't know what you're
doing.
> while Mac users will smile and simply say: "you should have bought a
> mac"
Perhaps so, considering that the MAC comes with the OS pre-installed, so
this situation would not have come up.
However, even a Mac Moron like yourself must admit, that if the cretin who
started this thread would have attempted the same thing, but using
MacOS instead of Linux, the result (data loss) would likely have been the
same.
Gene Jones
> Gene Jones wrote:
>
> > sorry for
> > your loss, but linux kids will bitch and complain that it is YOUR fault,
>
> Which it was. Only a freaking idiot does partitioning and such on an
> "important" machine without the knowledge that such things have the
> ability to cause data loss, especially when you don't know what you're
> doing.
ah, on a well crafted OS, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to do what happened to
this person. The Linux community screwed up, and should go to work at
repairing ALL distros with this FLAW to make sure this combination can
never happen again. You guys just lost 80,000 potential linux users by
this single error. Fix it, don't bitch.
> > while Mac users will smile and simply say: "you should have bought a
> > mac"
>
> Perhaps so, considering that the MAC comes with the OS pre-installed, so
> this situation would not have come up.
thus OSX wins again.
> However, even a Mac Moron like yourself must admit, that if the cretin who
> started this thread would have attempted the same thing, but using
> MacOS instead of Linux, the result (data loss) would likely have been the
> same.
problem is Linux will have users that aren't poor, or uneducated, they
EXPECT things to work like OSX or other high level OSs. Thus, you get
posts like this from time to time.
Linux is flawed, NEVER the user. That's a UI fact the Linux community
just doesn't understand.
Ignoramus1841
> chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Gene Jones wrote:
>>
>> > sorry for
>> > your loss, but linux kids will bitch and complain that it is YOUR fault,
>>
>> Which it was. Only a freaking idiot does partitioning and such on an
>> "important" machine without the knowledge that such things have the
>> ability to cause data loss, especially when you don't know what you're
>> doing.
>
> ah, on a well crafted OS, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to do what happened to
> this person. The Linux community screwed up, and should go to work at
> repairing ALL distros with this FLAW to make sure this combination can
> never happen again. You guys just lost 80,000 potential linux users by
> this single error. Fix it, don't bitch.
True. (except for the 80,000 number).
> problem is Linux will have users that aren't poor, or uneducated, they
> EXPECT things to work like OSX or other high level OSs. Thus, you get
> posts like this from time to time.
>
> Linux is flawed, NEVER the user. That's a UI fact the Linux community
> just doesn't understand.
I have been using Linux for the last 12 years. Without a doubt, it has
a long way to go to be safely usable by an "average user" (read a low
IQ person with minimal computing needs). However, that long way is not
infinite and Linux nowadays has made great progress, and being
actually easy to use is within reach. I would say in a year or two, it
will be very easy to use.
Even now, my Linux laptop works in a quite straightforward way, with
the exception of wifi (it works, but was hard to set up). Fedora 8
with NetworkManager 0.7 is supposed to fix it, though we'll see.
Windows has its flaws too, such as when an "average user" finds his
bank or PayPal account emptied due to operating system defects, or
when the OS crashes in the middle of some important task. Example of
this would be a Windows server crashing in a datacenter on a Sunday
afternoon.
i
Jeff
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:44:34 -0500, Ignoramus1841
> <ignora...@NOSPAM.1841.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2007-10-16, Richard Urban <richardurba...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> In other words, linux is not for the average use to perform an
>>> install when other operating systems are already on the computer.
>>> (bait)
>>>
>>
>> Any install of Windows would blow away other operating systems due to
>> its use of bootloader, right?
>>
>> i
> Well not quite. Windows always overwrites the boot partition and
> thereby screws grub, lilo or whatever.
>
> However, all you need is your linux install disk and a bit of
> knowledge and you can get to a command line in Linux, reinstall grub
> to the boot partition and be back in business in no time.
But, the bit of knowledge is precisely what is missing here. This is a
person who though partitioning meant "dividing you data". You really
think he knows what a boot partition or grub are?
Jeff
Jeff
Richard Urban wrote:
> In other words, linux is not for the average use to perform an
> install when other operating systems are already on the computer.
> (bait)
>
Jeff
Or, Linux - in a moment of supreme self-importance - thought for a
moment that it WAS Windows and just took over you PC......
(Sorry, could not resist).
Jeff
chrisv
>ah, on a well crafted OS, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to do what happened to
>this person.
Obviously wrong. You are either very ignorant, or you're just a lying
troll.
>The Linux community screwed up, and should go to work at
>repairing ALL distros with this FLAW to make sure this combination can
>never happen again
It's not flaw. The installer did what it was told to do. The
operator ignored clear warnings.
But I see that you're too fscking stupid to waste any more of my time
on. *plonk*
Stephan Rose
> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
>> lost.
>>
>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:
>> drive.
>>
>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.
>>
>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.
>>
>> I needed to reinstall every single application.
>>
>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.
>>
>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.
>>
>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard
>> drive without a single warning?
>>
>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of work,
>> or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases whole
>> hard drive without warning.
>>
>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the
>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as
>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":
>>
>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg
It says "Guided - Use entire disk".
Now what particular part about "Use Entire Disk" is beyond your
comprehension?
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> chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Gene Jones wrote:
>>
>> > sorry for
>> > your loss, but linux kids will bitch and complain that it is YOUR fault,
>>
>> Which it was. Only a freaking idiot does partitioning and such on an
>> "important" machine without the knowledge that such things have the
>> ability to cause data loss, especially when you don't know what you're
>> doing.
> ah, on a well crafted OS, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to do what happened to
> this person. The Linux community screwed up, and should go to work at
> repairing ALL distros with this FLAW to make sure this combination can
> never happen again. You guys just lost 80,000 potential linux users by
> this single error. Fix it, don't bitch.
Fix what exacly?
Remove the ability to nuke windows and let linux take a whole drive?
Fuck off, that's one of the most valuable functions.
Why should we limit functionality just to hand hold a moron incapable of
following simple instructions?
> problem is Linux will have users that aren't poor, or uneducated, they
> EXPECT things to work like OSX or other high level OSs.
You expect mac users to be uneducated and poor?
At the prices apple charge, I doubt that.
> Linux is flawed,
No, it isn't.
> NEVER the user.
Bullshit.
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> "lee h" <no...@domain.invalid> wrote in message
> news:MM7Ri.10622$lD6....@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>> rodolfo....@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
>>>> lost.
>>>>
>>
>> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi
>> (Windows Ubuntu Installer).
> Its a bit too late for that.
> The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux user
> will stick with something else.
What lack of suitable warning?
Can you show us some screen shots of this "lack of warning"?
> This is the problem with Linux ..
No it isn't.
> it is written by geeks who have no idea
> how simple it has to be for the mass market.
No it isn't. Ever installed windows?
> Windows would have warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux
> partition and that would be after selecting the partition and saying delete.
Hahaha, oh really? Let's see some proof that linux didn't warn him then,
shall we?
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Oh come on Dennis...
What part about "Guided - Use entire disk" is difficult to understand? I
mean it frigging says "entire disk" right next to it!!!
How can you blame the OS Installer if the user is incapable of reading
the whole sentence?
Also, the Ubuntu installer will show a list of partition / file system
changes it makes to what drives and what partition that the user has to
OK before actually doing it.
So you can't even accidentally click continue and overwrite the system.
You need to do so twice.
Also, how is this different from installing XP or Vista?
Last time I checked, XP and Vista also give you just a list of drives /
partitions and you just go pick one to install on, or you can manually
configure the partitions. How is that any different? Except of course
Vista or XP don't ask a second time just to make sure you didn't make a
mistake. I suppose that is one difference.
chrisv
>The lack of a suitable warning
Ignorant liar.
>has made sure another potential Linux user will stick with something else.
Or at least by his machine with the OS pre-installed, as most people
should do.
>This is the problem with Linux .. it is written by geeks who have no idea
This is the problem with ignorant trolls like "dennis@home" - they lie
through their teeth, making complete jackassholes of themselves in the
process.
>Windows would have warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux
>partition and that would be after selecting the partition and saying delete.
Windows would render the Linux partition UNBOOTABLE, with ZERO warning
to that affect, dipshit.
kevp...@nospam.hotmail.com
> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
>> lost.
>>
>> drive.
>>
>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.
>>
>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.
>>
>> I needed to reinstall every single application.
>>
>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.
>>
>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.
>>
>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard
>> drive without a single warning?
>>
>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of
>> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases
>> whole hard drive without warning.
>>
>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the
>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as
>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":
>>
>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg
>>
> Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.
>
>
>
dennis@home
<spi...@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:selfu4-...@ridcully.ntlworld.com...
> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> didnst hastily scribble
> thusly:
>
>> "lee h" <no...@domain.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:MM7Ri.10622$lD6....@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>>> rodolfo....@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
>>>>> lost.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi
>>> (Windows Ubuntu Installer).
>
>> Its a bit too late for that.
>> The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux user
>> will stick with something else.
>
> What lack of suitable warning?
> Can you show us some screen shots of this "lack of warning"?
>
>> This is the problem with Linux ..
>
> No it isn't.
Linux's success says otherwise.
>> it is written by geeks who have no idea
>> how simple it has to be for the mass market.
>
> No it isn't. Ever installed windows?
3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fedora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx
and a few I have forgotten.
Which have you installed?
>
>
>> Windows would have warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux
>> partition and that would be after selecting the partition and saying
>> delete.
>
> Hahaha, oh really?
Do you doubt it?
Have you never installed windows?
William Poaster
> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> bob <b...@home.org> didnst hastily scribble thusly:
>
>> Just restore from your latest back up.
>
> <summercool> What's a backup? </summercool>
It's what the wintrolls try to do in this group. Get people's backup..<grin>
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> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> bob <b...@home.org> didnst hastily scribble thusly:
>>
>>> Just restore from your latest back up.
>>
>> <summercool> What's a backup? </summercool>
> It's what the wintrolls try to do in this group. Get people's backup..<grin>
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dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> didnst hastily scribble thusly:
> and a few I have forgotten.
> Which have you installed?
Too many.
> Do you doubt it?
> Have you never installed windows?
As I said, Too many times.
>> Let's see some proof that linux didn't warn him then,
>> shall we?
Didn't think so.
dennis@home
"Stephan Rose" <nos...@spammer.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:02:16 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>
>> "lee h" <no...@domain.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:MM7Ri.10622$lD6....@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>>> rodolfo....@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
>>>>> lost.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi (Windows
>>> Ubuntu Installer).
>>
>> Its a bit too late for that.
>> The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux
>> user will stick with something else.
>> This is the problem with Linux .. it is written by geeks who have no
>> idea how simple it has to be for the mass market. Windows would have
>> warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux partition and
>> that would be after selecting the partition and saying delete.
>
> Oh come on Dennis...
>
> What part about "Guided - Use entire disk" is difficult to understand? I
> mean it frigging says "entire disk" right next to it!!!
Well that assumes the installer knows what a disk is to start with.
If they select manual then they get presented with even more problems.
> How can you blame the OS Installer if the user is incapable of reading
> the whole sentence?
>
> Also, the Ubuntu installer will show a list of partition / file system
> changes it makes to what drives and what partition that the user has to
> OK before actually doing it.
>
> So you can't even accidentally click continue and overwrite the system.
> You need to do so twice.
At no time does it actually tell the user that the data on their system will
be lost if they proceed.
As I said before Linux expects the user to know too much.
It was written by geeks who either don't understand the target audience or
don't expect Linux to be used by the masses.
> Also, how is this different from installing XP or Vista?
>
> Last time I checked, XP and Vista also give you just a list of drives /
> partitions and you just go pick one to install on, or you can manually
> configure the partitions. How is that any different? Except of course
> Vista or XP don't ask a second time just to make sure you didn't make a
> mistake. I suppose that is one difference.
Except that they will not remove the data from a partition without warning
the user unlike what you state above.
Also if you were truthful you would admit that Vista and XP ask twice before
removing a partition and tell the user that it may contain data that will be
lost if they do. It even asks twice before it will format one.
I suggest you dig out you windows disks and try an install as you appear to
have forgotten what it does.
cc
> > posting on the Mac forum gets a warm feeling. posting on the Windows
> > forum still get a helpful feeling. on Linux it is the very opposite
> > of Mac.
>
> A: This isn't a forum, this is a newsgroup. You don't even know THAT?
> B: Try posting to the mac advocacy newsgroup about installing something and
> getting your partition table wiped cos you said use the whole drive, see
> where it gets you. Do the same in the windows advocacy group...
>
> GOD, he gets stupider with every post.
You're going to argue semantics over forum vs. newsgroup and call
someone else stupid?
Summercool
> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> Gene Jones <ja...@janus.com> didnst hastily scribble thusly:
>
> > chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >> Gene Jones wrote:
>
> >> > sorry for
> >> > your loss, but linux kids will bitch and complain that it is YOUR fault,
Ok, Ubuntu's tech support people confirmed that it is a bug. Ubuntu
should have detected there was Vista on the machine, and therefore
give a slide bar to re-partition the drive.
Instead, it didn't detect there was Vista, and thought it is a disk
drive without any OS and ready to be totally erased.
I would say, no matter whether it is a bug in Ubuntu that it could not
detect a pre-existing OS, or that it detects a pre-existing OS, in
either case, give out a simple warning to the user if it is to do
something so drastic as erasing the whole hard drive.
Even the Vista installation warned that "you are about to erase
everything in the hard drive" when i reinstalled Vista. By the way,
Linux guys, remember the other people don't install Linux 20 times in
a year. Sometimes you guys start with a brand new machine, so if you
goof up, you can just reinstall and go get a cup of coffee and come
back. Please do know that there are people who aren't exactly like
you. Especially if Ubuntu is to say "Humanity towards others".
Adam Albright
<den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>
><spi...@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message
>> No it isn't. Ever installed windows?
>
>3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fedora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx
>and a few I have forgotten.
>Which have you installed?
Still acting like a pompous ass aren't you. What's the matter, can't
break an old bad habit?
Adam Albright
<den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>> Oh come on Dennis...
>>
>> What part about "Guided - Use entire disk" is difficult to understand? I
>> mean it frigging says "entire disk" right next to it!!!
>
>Well that assumes the installer knows what a disk is to start with.
You're really getting out of control. I know what your problem is. You
simply can't stand to get corrected. Even when you are wrong. Why else
you think I keep calling you a pompous jerk.
ROTFLMAO!
>As I said before Linux expects the user to know too much.
>It was written by geeks who either don't understand the target audience or
>don't expect Linux to be used by the masses.
Don't get me started on all the Microsoft screw ups. It would be a
very long detailed list starting with illegal snooping on customer's
computers reporting back to Redmond and marking legit copies of Vista
as counterfeit. Just wondering, you REALLY want me to post such a
list?
Face facts. You're nothing but another head up your ass Microsoft
apologist that gets his shorts all bunched up any time anybody exposes
what rubes Microsoft designers really are.
>Also if you were truthful you would admit that Vista and XP ask twice before
>removing a partition and tell the user that it may contain data that will be
>lost if they do.
Now you're cherry picking. How come you never want to face all the
stupid things Vista does? You simply have no clue what being fair and
balanced means. If you want to start nitpicking Linux or Macs, first
clean up Microsoft's house. It's a mess. You know it too.
>It even asks twice before it will format one.
>I suggest you dig out you windows disks and try an install as you appear to
>have forgotten what it does.
I can't forget what a a-hole you always are. You make it impossible to
forget.
Frank
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:11:42 +0100, "dennis@home"
> <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>
>
>><spi...@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message
>
>
>>>No it isn't. Ever installed windows?
>>
>>3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fedora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx
>>and a few I have forgotten.
>>Which have you installed?
>
>
> Still acting like a pompous ass aren't you.
Oh, I don't think he has any intention at all of stealing your pompous
act, you as*hole!
Frank
Adam Albright
Kiss my grits Frank.
AB
> I always wonder how those trailer trash guys manage to breathe on their own
> with that single rotten braincell
Flatfish went to a hair salon to get s/h/it's hair and nails done. All
of the regular hairdressers were busy. The only person available when
s/h/it arrived was a new employee.
Flattie told the new guy, "I'm tired of being blonde. I want my hair
dyed brunette and straightened. And I don't want you to remove my
headphones."
The hairdresser told Flats that it wouldn't be possible to do any work
on s/h/it's hair with headphones in the way.
Flatfish said, "I don't care! Whatever you do, DO NOT remove the
headphones! Just get the work done or I'll report you as soon as your
boss returns!"
Well, the hairdresser didn't know how that was going to work, but he
agreed, thinking he'd find a way to work around the blockage somehow.
The guy started getting things ready. He leaned Flattie back and
started wetting s/h/it's hair, getting ready to apply the color. Just
as he was getting ready to really dive in, he noticed Flats appeared to
be sleeping.
He said something to Flattie and got no response. So he lifted one of
the earpieces and asked, "How dark would you like your hair?" But
Flatso still didn't respond. The hairdresser thought about it for a
minute or so and thought, "What the heck. S/H/It's asleep." He removed
the earphones and set them over on the counter.
The attendant took care of everything Flathead said s/h/it needed,
replaced the headset on s/h/it's ears, then tried to wake s/h/it up
with a gentle nudge. S/H/It didn't respond. The hairdresser tried a
little bit harder, but s/h/it still didn't respond.
Beginning to get a little worried, the hairdresser tried harder and
harder, until, finally, Flattie fell out of the chair.
Everyone gathered round. One of the other attendants bent down and
noticed Flatso didn't seem to have a heartbeat. An ambulance was
called. They pronounced Flatfart dead at the scene and took s/h/it away
in the ambulance.
After they left the attendant saw the player and headphones had fallen
under the counter at his station. He bent down, picked it all up and
held one of the earpads to his ear.
"....in...breathe out...breathe in...breath out...breathe in....."
<Flatfart is marginally smarter than several of the other trolls>
--
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Frank
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:25:09 +0100, "dennis@home"
> <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>Oh come on Dennis...
>>>
>>>What part about "Guided - Use entire disk" is difficult to understand? I
>>>mean it frigging says "entire disk" right next to it!!!
>>
>>Well that assumes the installer knows what a disk is to start with.
>
>
> You're really getting out of control. I know what your problem is. You
> simply can't stand to get corrected. Even when you are wrong. Why else
> you think I keep calling you a pompous jerk.
Oh the irony!
>
> ROTFLMAO!
>
>
>>As I said before Linux expects the user to know too much.
>>It was written by geeks who either don't understand the target audience or
>>don't expect Linux to be used by the masses.
>
>
> Don't get me started on all the Microsoft screw ups. It would be a
> very long detailed list starting with illegal snooping on customer's
> computers reporting back to Redmond and marking legit copies of Vista
> as counterfeit. Just wondering, you REALLY want me to post such a
> list?
>
> Face facts. You're nothing but another head up your ass Microsoft
> apologist that gets his shorts all bunched up any time anybody exposes
> what rubes Microsoft designers really are.
>
>
>>Also if you were truthful you would admit that Vista and XP ask twice before
>>removing a partition and tell the user that it may contain data that will be
>>lost if they do.
>
>
> Now you're cherry picking. How come you never want to face all the
> stupid things Vista does? You simply have no clue what being fair and
> balanced means. If you want to start nitpicking Linux or Macs, first
> clean up Microsoft's house. It's a mess. You know it too.
>
>
>>It even asks twice before it will format one.
>>I suggest you dig out you windows disks and try an install as you appear to
>>have forgotten what it does.
>
>
> I can't forget what a a-hole you always are. You make it impossible to
> forget.
>
You must be the most brain dead jacka*s loser of all times.
You are truly one fulkked up scumbag idiot.
Frank
Charlie Tame
In my experience Windows has only ever warned if you are about to damage
another "Windows" installation, seems like it always ignored anything
else, at least as far as I have encountered.
Anyway this is a silly topic, the OP obviously didn't think / didn't
read / didn't understand ow whatever and that is unfortunate but I'm
sure we have all experienced that [Enter] Oh sh*t feeling.
You cannot go through a Ubuntu install hitting defaults, you have to
make a conscious selection (Or unconscious depending on state of mind I
guess) so some here are just plain lying (Surprise surprise).
cc
> On 2007-10-16, Peter Köhlmann <peter.koehlm...@t-online.de> claimed:
>
> > I always wonder how those trailer trash guys manage to breathe on their own
> > with that single rotten braincell
>
> Flatfish went to a hair salon to get s/h/it's hair and nails done. All
> of the regular hairdressers were busy. The only person available when
> s/h/it arrived was a new employee.
>
Sinister Midget pulled this great joke on me one time. He was in
another room just screaming and screaming in pain. I ran in and asked
him what was wrong. He said, "My dick is stuck in the cap of this
pen!" The joke was on me though, there was plenty of room.
Jean-David Beyer
never installed Linux before. Nevertheless, I just followed directions and
installed it just fine, dual boot sharing the machine with Windows 95 (that
drove me nuts, hence the switch to Linux).
--
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/V\ PGP-Key: 9A2FC99A Registered Machine 241939.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org
^^-^^ 21:45:01 up 10 days, 5:21, 2 users, load average: 4.34, 4.18, 4.14
Roy Schestowitz
> <Flatfart is marginally smarter than several of the other trolls>
How so? Knowing how to open E-mail accounts for new nyms doesn't take much wit.
They make it simple to sign up these days.
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Linonut
> Sinister Midget pulled this great joke on me one time. He was in
> another room just screaming and screaming in pain. I ran in and asked
> him what was wrong. He said, "My dick is stuck in the cap of this
> pen!" The joke was on me though, there was plenty of room.
Jumbo jokes are too easy.
"Don't look up here! The joke's in your hand!"
caver1
There's also an option to use free space.
caver1
Charlie Tame
Yeah, the bit between the ears...
It is possible he unwittingly used that and his XP or whatever is still
there.
George Orwell
> On Oct 16, 7:21 pm, AB <fardblos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2007-10-16, Peter K=C3=B6hlmann <peter.koehlm...@t-online.de> claime=
d:
> >
> > > I always wonder how those trailer trash guys manage to breathe on
> > > their own with that single rotten braincell
> >
> > Flatfish went to a hair salon to get s/h/it's hair and nails done.
> > All of the regular hairdressers were busy. The only person
> > available when s/h/it arrived was a new employee.
> >
>=20
> Sinister Midget pulled this great joke on me one time. He was in
> another room just screaming and screaming in pain. I ran in and asked
> him what was wrong. He said, "My dick is stuck in the cap of this
> pen!" The joke was on me though, there was plenty of room.
Really? I heard you two were sitting there watching a dog lick its
balls and Midg asked you if you didn't sometimes wish you could do
that.
You thought about it for a bit, said yes, walked up to the dog, and
started licking its balls.
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spi...@freenet.co.uk
> You're going to argue semantics over forum vs. newsgroup and call
> someone else stupid?
Who was arguing?
I was stating the bleedin obvious to the terminally dense.
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dennis@home
<spi...@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:aeqfu4-...@ridcully.ntlworld.com...
> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> didnst hastily scribble
> thusly:
>> 3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fedora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx
>> and a few I have forgotten.
>> Which have you installed?
>
> Too many.
>
>> Do you doubt it?
>> Have you never installed windows?
>
> As I said, Too many times.
>
>>> Let's see some proof that linux didn't warn him then,
>>> shall we?
>
>
> Didn't think so.
If you are so sure it does you could show the warning.
The fact that I can't show the warning is just evidence that it doesn't
exist.
You really should try and get the logic correct before demanding evidence.
dennis@home
"Adam Albright" <A...@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:o5gah3lle5rev4826...@4ax.com...
Ho Crazy.
When do your doctors decide you have had enough free time?
Peter Köhlmann
>
> <spi...@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:aeqfu4-...@ridcully.ntlworld.com...
>> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> dennis@home <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> didnst hastily scribble
>> thusly:
>>>
3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fedora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx
>>> and a few I have forgotten.
>>> Which have you installed?
>>
>> Too many.
>>
>>> Do you doubt it?
>>> Have you never installed windows?
>>
>> As I said, Too many times.
>>
>>>> Let's see some proof that linux didn't warn him then,
>>>> shall we?
>>
>>
>> Didn't think so.
>
> If you are so sure it does you could show the warning.
Well, why should he? People who have actually installed it know that it
exists.
> The fact that I can't show the warning is just evidence that it doesn't
> exist.
The "fact" that you can't show the warning is evidence that you are lying.
Or too stupid to even attempt a linux install. Or both
> You really should try and get the logic correct before demanding evidence.
Hilarious
--
Law of Probable Dispersal:
Whatever it is that hits the fan will not be evenly distributed.
Summercool
wrote:
> dennis@home wrote:
>
> > The fact that I can't show the warning is just evidence that it doesn't
> > exist.
>
> Or too stupid to even attempt a linux install. Or both
Ok, I never saw a warning. I started using computer since before
Apple ][
If some of you know, it is called the "Superboard", and I have used
computer for 25 years. I can program all the way from micro-code,
machine code, all the way to C, Java, Python, and Ruby.
Anyways, I didn't see any warning, and the Ubuntu tech support said
this is a bug that it didn't detect Vista.
Also, the word "Partition" may have a strong "erasing the whole hard
drive" connotation to the Linux guys. But it also may have a
"dividing the data" connotation to people. Depending on its usage,
sometimes people may think that it is merely creating a new partition
for the Linux installation. So between the two possible meanings, why
assuming there is absolutely no confusion and just go ahead with the
destructive action?
Peter Köhlmann
> On Oct 16, 11:44 pm, Peter Köhlmann <peter.koehlm...@t-online.de>
> wrote:
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>
>> > The fact that I can't show the warning is just evidence that it doesn't
>> > exist.
>>
>> The "fact" that you can't show the warning is evidence that you are
>> lying. Or too stupid to even attempt a linux install. Or both
>
> Ok, I never saw a warning. I started using computer since before
> Apple ][
Ah yes. And because of that you never saw a warning?
> If some of you know, it is called the "Superboard", and I have used
> computer for 25 years. I can program all the way from micro-code,
> machine code, all the way to C, Java, Python, and Ruby.
Big deal. If true at all. I strongly suspect that it is another outright lie
from you. And all that blather has nothing to do with any warnings, seen or
not
> Anyways, I didn't see any warning, and the Ubuntu tech support said
> this is a bug that it didn't detect Vista.
Really? Care to show us where you found that particular lie?
> Also, the word "Partition" may have a strong "erasing the whole hard
> drive" connotation to the Linux guys.
No, it has not. It has to do with the consequences. One of them being that
after partitioning, the FS has to be formatted. Particularly if it was NTFS
before
> But it also may have a "dividing the data" connotation to people.
It had *never* to do with "dividing data"
It was always about filesystems, not data
I don't care where you found that particularly absurd connotation, but it is
extremely idiotic
> Depending on its usage,
> sometimes people may think that it is merely creating a new partition
> for the Linux installation. So between the two possible meanings, why
> assuming there is absolutely no confusion and just go ahead with the
> destructive action?
Because that bloke actually clicked "OK"
After being introduced to an explanation what happens next
--
99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Stephan Rose
Not on that screenshot there isn't.
I think the free space option only appears if there acutally *is* free
space that could be used in the first place or if there is a partition
that can be safely resized to make free space.
And then, the option will also be called such and won't be called "Use
entire disk".
--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6
君のこと思い出す日なんてないのは
君のこと忘れたときがないから
dennis@home
"Adam Albright" <A...@ABC.net> wrote in message
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:25:09 +0100, "dennis@home"
> <den...@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>
>>> Oh come on Dennis...
>>>
>>> What part about "Guided - Use entire disk" is difficult to understand? I
>>> mean it frigging says "entire disk" right next to it!!!
>>
>>Well that assumes the installer knows what a disk is to start with.
>
> You're really getting out of control. I know what your problem is. You
> simply can't stand to get corrected. Even when you are wrong. Why else
> you think I keep calling you a pompous jerk.
Because you are crazy thats why.
Didn't I make it plain enough for you?
Lets try again.
You are crazy.
>
> ROTFLMAO!
>
>>As I said before Linux expects the user to know too much.
>>It was written by geeks who either don't understand the target audience or
>>don't expect Linux to be used by the masses.
>
> Don't get me started on all the Microsoft screw ups. It would be a
> very long detailed list starting with illegal snooping on customer's
> computers reporting back to Redmond and marking legit copies of Vista
> as counterfeit. Just wondering, you REALLY want me to post such a
> list?
Do I care what you think of anything?
No not really. every time you open your mouth I think less of what you say.
>
> Face facts. You're nothing but another head up your ass Microsoft
> apologist that gets his shorts all bunched up any time anybody exposes
> what rubes Microsoft designers really are.
Lets face facts Adam you act crazy.
I don't know what you get out of appearing crazy so I assume you really are
crazy.
Have a nice day and remember to take the pills it will make everyone feel
better.
>
>>Also if you were truthful you would admit that Vista and XP ask twice
>>before
>>removing a partition and tell the user that it may contain data that will
>>be
>>lost if they do.
>
> Now you're cherry picking. How come you never want to face all the
> stupid things Vista does? You simply have no clue what being fair and
> balanced means. If you want to start nitpicking Linux or Macs, first
> clean up Microsoft's house. It's a mess. You know it too.
Maybe it because unlike you I am not an expert on Vista so I can hardly
pronounce upon it like you do.
However I am sure the vast majority recognise your expertise for waht it is
and act appropriatly.
>
>>It even asks twice before it will format one.
>>I suggest you dig out you windows disks and try an install as you appear
>>to
>>have forgotten what it does.
>
> I can't forget what a a-hole you always are. You make it impossible to
> forget.
>
At least I am not crazy like you Adam.
I doubt if I will be able to forget that either.. who did you say you were?
Do you have any significance here? I thought not.
dennis@home
"caver1" <ca...@inthemud.com> wrote in message
news:eClxAUGE...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
This issue is down to what the target market for Linux is.
If it is to take over the desktop then it has to be targeted at the level of
a moron so that almost anyone can install it without getting unfixable
problems.
This means you can't assume the user understands what a disk is.. after all
a lot of people think the case is a CPU.
This is Linux's biggest problem.. too many developers and users over
estimate the knowledge of their target users.
Until the developers sort out the installation routines Linux will not be
mass market as it still relies on someone being able to download it and
install it.
Making it so that only ~5% of users can install it without problems stops
the ~95% from using it.
Linux developers haven't even worked out that users don't read manuals by
the sound of it.
Having worked in the telecoms industry I can assure you that you can *never*
underestimate how dumb users are (well at least a lot of them).
Heiko Recktenwald
> Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think
> about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as
> skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read
> thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just
> spend a little time to warn time before doing something as destructive
> as erasing the whole hard drive.
>
Dont dry poodles in microwave?
Desk Rabbit
> On Oct 16, 1:55 pm, spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> Gene Jones <ja...@janus.com> didnst hastily scribble thusly:
>>
>>> chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Gene Jones wrote:
>>>>> sorry for
>>>>> your loss, but linux kids will bitch and complain that it is YOUR fault,
>
> Ok, Ubuntu's tech support people confirmed that it is a bug. Ubuntu
> should have detected there was Vista on the machine, and therefore
> give a slide bar to re-partition the drive.
>
> Instead, it didn't detect there was Vista, and thought it is a disk
> drive without any OS and ready to be totally erased.
I looked at the screen shot you sent. It clearly says "Use entire disk".
So you knew you had another operating system on there, you elected to
use the entire disk and are then surprised that you no longer have the
original operating system?
Which part of "Entire disk" did you notunderstand?
If there is a bug, it's with you. If you had tried to install any
operating system on the entire disk that currently had an existing
operating system you would have ended up with the same result whether
that operating system was Vista or DOS 3.1
cc
>
> > You're going to argue semantics over forum vs. newsgroup and call
> > someone else stupid?
>
> Who was arguing?
> I was stating the bleedin obvious to the terminally dense.
They're synonymous and you just wanted to be an ass. Mission
accomplished. Add BS in assholery to your sig.
Rick
Then why does Windows ask about partitioning and formatting when doing an
install?
>
> This is Linux's biggest problem.. too many developers and users over
> estimate the knowledge of their target users. Until the developers sort
> out the installation routines Linux will not be mass market as it still
> relies on someone being able to download it and install it.
Hopefully more vendors, especially visible ones like Dell, will start
shipping Linux pre-installed.
> Making it so that only ~5% of users can install it without problems
> stops the ~95% from using it.
How many people can properly install Windows?
> Linux developers haven't even worked out that users don't read manuals
> by the sound of it.
People don't read manuals when running any software, for the most part.
They don't read them when setting up stereos and VCRs, either.
>
> Having worked in the telecoms industry I can assure you that you can
> *never* underestimate how dumb users are (well at least a lot of them).
--
Rick
Leythos
> Hopefully more vendors, especially visible ones like Dell, will start
> shipping Linux pre-installed.
Lets hope they wait until Linux has gained mass hardware support from
vendors so that customers are not limited.
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create filth and put it on the web for any kid to see: Just take a look
at some of the FILTH he's created and put on his website:
http://forums.speedguide.net/archive/index.php/t-223485.html all exposed
to children (the link I've include does not directly display his filth).
You can find the same information by googling for 'PCBUTTS1' and
'exposed to kids'.
Aardvark
> I would say, no matter whether it is a bug in Ubuntu that it could not
> detect a pre-existing OS, or that it detects a pre-existing OS, in
> either case, give out a simple warning to the user
FYI If you have a Linux distro installed on a HD and try to install a
Windoze version, guess what? The Windoze version doesn't 'see' the Linux
distro.
--
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Soldier, Father, Grandfather, Admirable man.
Requiescat in Pacem
Aardvark
>> > You're going to argue semantics over forum vs. newsgroup and call
>> > someone else stupid?
>>
>> Who was arguing?
>> I was stating the bleedin obvious to the terminally dense.
>
> They're synonymous and you just wanted to be an ass. Mission
> accomplished. Add BS in assholery to your sig.
Web forum and Usenet newsgroup synonymous???????????? Jesus! Now I've
seen it all.
chrisv
>Until the developers sort out the installation routines
Ignorant twat. Anyone who has recently installed Windows and Linux
knows that installing Linux is generally easier and more logical.
caver1
If a a person has no idea what a disc is, let alone a partition, then
that person
has no business installing an OS. And if they do try without the proper
backups
and research, then they can't blame the OS no matter if it is
Linux,Windows or whatever.
caver1
chrisv
>Ok, Ubuntu's tech support people confirmed that it is a bug.
Prove it, google troll.
Peter Köhlmann
> dennis@home wrote:
>>
< snip >
You are talking to dennis the "MD5 guru"
In short, it can't get any dumber and more clueless than him
Adam Albright
>This issue is down to what the target market for Linux is.
>If it is to take over the desktop then it has to be targeted at the level of
>a moron so that almost anyone can install it without getting unfixable
>problems.
>This means you can't assume the user understands what a disk is.. after all
>a lot of people think the case is a CPU.
>
>This is Linux's biggest problem.. too many developers and users over
>estimate the knowledge of their target users.
I would never over estimate your knowledge or intelligence. How's
walking and chewing gum at the same time working out for you Dennis?
Do you know how to do it yet?
I keep telling you what your problem is. You disrespect everyone, call
them morons and fake being an expert yourself. Then you wonder why I
keep referring to you as some pompous jackass. You redefine the term
slow learner. That's because you don't see that's how you are thought
of here.
>Having worked in the telecoms industry I can assure you that you can *never*
>underestimate how dumb users are (well at least a lot of them).
Of course you think you're as smart as a pistol right? You keep
implying it. After all that's what you've been trying to tell us for
months now. Well sorry fool, I'm not buying your act. Neither will
anyone else. Well, maybe Frank will, he'll believe anything if you
first tell him Microsoft said so.