(OT) Putin's Interview

[RonB]

If this is actually a transcript of the interview, some interesting stuff.

On transgenders...

TUCKER: One poll in America shows you more popular than Biden – any
reaction?

PUTIN: (laughs) I don’t know if that should be taken seriously but Russian
ideals have support. We believe in traditional values; marriage is between
a man and a woman: men are men and women are women.

...

TUCKER: Along those lines, how do you see the transgender movement?

PUTIN: It’s interesting to me that all the things which use to be a target
of blackmail are now badges of honor. In Russia there are no laws either
way but we certainly do not force our children into it.

TUCKER: Russia has been criticized for its ant gay laws and as being
unfriendly to LGBTQ+.

PUTIN: We have laws which protect our children. And we do not drape our
embassies in rainbow flags. That’s correct. Otherwise we do not interfere
in the private lives of adult citizens.

On climate change...

TUCKER: Let’s touch on climate change. It’s still being pushed in the
United States and Europe. What’s your position?

PUTIN: Humanity is not even a Type 1 civilization on the Kardashev scale.
If we can’t harness the energy potential of the planet how can we control
the climate?

TUCKER: Are you at least concerned?

PUTIN: I’m more concerned with real issues. Climate change is not one of
them. The Earth does a fairly good job of regulating itself. And if
Siberia gets a little warmer all the better. More farmland for Russia.

TUCKER: But what would you tell the true believers who’re convinced we’re
headed for disaster?

PUTIN: I’d tell them worrying about climate change is like complaining
about the weather. If you don’t like the climate, move. If you are worried
about the weather, get an umbrella.

On illegal immigration...

TUCKER: Are you following what’s happening on the US southern border?

PUTIN: Actually, yes. It’s part of my daily briefing. We Russians find it
ironically amusing that your Congress will spend billions protecting
foreign borders but neglect it’s own. It’s quiet laughable but deadly.

TUCKER: Deadly? How do you mean that?

PUTIN: Deadly serious of course. People are dying daily crossing your
border in an uncontrolled way. It is a free-for-all. The world hasn’t seen
anything like it in the modern era – reckless for a country to throw
itself wide open like that.

TUCKER: Is Russia taking advantage of the border situation in any way?

PUTIN: No. Why should we. We don’t have to do a thing. America is
self-destructing. And, as Napoleon said, don’t stand in the way of your
enemy destroying themselves.

TUCKER: So then you do see America as an enemy?

PUTIN: That was just a saying but the current administration is definitely
not a friend.

TUCKER: Can that be changed?

PUTIN: That’s why you have elections.

On BRICS and Russia's "isolation"...

TUCKER: So are you saying your adversary is not Joe Biden but the people
behind him?

PUTIN: Exactly. Joe Biden may not even be aware of what’s going on. He may
not understand the level of sanctions thrown at Russia. Who put those
sanctions together? Those are our the adversaries.

TUCKER: Is that why you are championing the BRICS?

PUTIN: The BRICS would exist anyway. It’s a natural reaction to the
western trading block. It’s a counterweight. When the dollar is weaponized
against states there will be a natural alternative to it. That’s what we
want.

TUCKER: Is that why you and Russia have been targeted?

PUTIN: It’s more complicated than that but I’m sure it’s a good part of
the reason. Whenever the dollar is endangered, the United States takes
extreme measures. It cannot afford to have the dollar fail.

TUCKER: But isn’t Russia weaker and more vulnerable economically than the
US?

PUTIN: When you look at the size of economies we are small. But few people
take into account our vast natural resources. Russia has over $80 trillion
in the ground. No country even comes close to us.

On the 2020 election...

TUCKER: What is your opinion of President Biden?

PUTIN: We’re convinced he is not running the country. Let’s say we have
good sources that confirm that but it’s plain for anyone to see for
themselves. The US has now entered into a dark period. It has
unaccountable leadership.

TUCKER: Do you think Joe Biden won fair and square?

PUTIN: I would rather not get into domestic American politics but will say
my embassy reported your southern border was better run than that 2020
election. (chuckles)

TUCKER: Who would you like to see as the next president of the United
States?

PUTIN: Once again it is not for us to say or get involved. Contrary to
longstanding accusations we do not meddle in your elections. We don’t need
to because the same people end up running things anyway.

...

TUCKER: How do you think the 2024 election will go?

PUTIN: We are just observing. It’s our responsibility to be vigilant since
it will impact the world. We are hoping the election is carried out in a
way where the results can be believed. In Russia we do not have mail in
ballots.

On Trump's possible reelection...

TUCKER: How will you feel if Trump won again?

PUTIN: We had good relations when Mr. Trump was president. There was no
war. Our relations were at a high point. That said nothing is predictable
or stays the same. We will have to see.

...

TUCKER: Let’s turn to Trump. First tell me how you feel about the current
situation with the likelihood of him being reelected?

PUTIN: It would be a bit strange and out of order but we are well
prepared. He has promised to end the fighting in Ukraine and we support
that notion.

TUCKER: How could he end you end the war so fast?

PUTIN: For one thing he never insulted us. He has a great respect for
Russia. We would start from a position of friendship and trust – then all
problems are solvable. We could get it done. Trust me.

TUCKER: Are you referring to Biden calling you a killer?

PUTIN: We have been the recipients of numerous insults and slurs going
back a few generations of politicians. Mr. Trump was a refreshing break
from that. He is very popular in Russia. Perhaps that won’t do him any
good.

TUCKER: Are you in any communication with Trump?

PUTIN: No. Of course not. But should he win again our lines of
communication would open up instantly whereas right now we have no
dialogue with President Biden.

TUCKER: That’s shocking to me. No one from the White House has been in
contact with you?

PUTIN: That’s right. No one has called since we congratulated Mr. Biden on
his election victory. It’s puzzling to us that communications are colder
now than during the Cold War.

On Israel and Palestine...

TUCKER: Speaking of conflicts, what is your take on the Gaza situation?

PUTIN: It is really unfortunate. The Palestinians are being devastated.
Israel is acting in an unconstrained manner. It shows the terrible double
standards in the world. Where are the sanctions on Israel?

TUCKER: Is Russia involved in any way especially through your alliance
with Iran?

PUTIN: No. Of course not. We do not oppose the existence of Israel but at
the same time we support the right of the Palestinians to
self-determination. We want to be even-handed.

On China and a possible war with the U.S....

TUCKER: Let’s turn to China. What is your relationship like?

PUTIN: President Xi and I are especially close. Russia and China are
enjoying good relations as of now which is an obvious asset to us since
they are one of our biggest energy partners. We will continue to be
friends.

TUCKER: There are accusations China has helped you in the war in Ukraine.
Is that true?

PUTIN: That is not something I can discuss. Let’s just say Russia isn’t an
isolated power. That strategy has failed. We have more allies and trading
partners now than before the war started.

TUCKER: Do you ever contemplate a situation where Russia and China may
join forces against the United States?

PUTIN: Do you mean economically or militarily? I would say we want
neither. It’s not in our interest to clash with the US because all sides
would lose in such a conflict.

https://stateofthenation.co/?p=209590

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[RabidPedagog]

He makes a lot more sense than anything I read in the Western media. I
guess that makes me a Russian agent.

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[Joel]

RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:

>He makes a lot more sense than anything I read in the Western media. I
>guess that makes me a Russian agent.

You would presume that it's a real transcript? I'm not saying it
can't be, but it didn't seem self-evidently so when reading it.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[Relf]

What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?

[Joel]

"Relf" <Use...@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote:

>What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?

Putin is not a Christian, if it means following Jesus.

[RonB]

Of course. Any time you disagree with the Deep State you're a _de facto_
Russian agent. You learn that in Brainwashing 101.

[RabidPedagog]

On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?

You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
for by the American people?

[Relf]

You (AndyMatt) replied ( to me ):

> > What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?
>
> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory
> paid for by the American people?

Ukraine is trying/failing to defend itself from Russian aggression.

Does Daddy Putin have a right to beat his Ukrainian wife ? I don't think so.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

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> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?
>
> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
> for by the American people?

Who started it?

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[rbowman]

On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 18:17:56 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin
>>> does ?
>>
>> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
>> for by the American people?
>
> Who started it?

Victoria Nuland

[RonB]

On 2024-02-08, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:

> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?
>
> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
> for by the American people?

This war started when the Ukrainian Neo-Nazis (bought and paid for by the
United States) used a coup to take down the elected government and declared
that the Russian speaking parts of Ukraine must give up their Russian
language and culture. When the Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine told the
illegal Kiev government to eat shit and bark at yon moon, Kiev started
killing civilians (tens of thousands) and destroying civilian
infrastructure. (That's how the U.S. like Israel, fight wars.) This part of
"Ukraine" was always Russian until Khrushchev put it under Ukraine's
political control in 1954. That was when Ukraine was just one region of the
Soviet Union.

Apparently Relf is clueless when it comes to history and reality.

[RonB]

On 2024-02-08, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?
>>
>> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
>> for by the American people?
>
> Who started it?

Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
coup.)

[RonB]

A servant of our Deep State.

[RonB]

This is definitely NOT the complete transcript. I haven't listened to the
interview yet, so I don't even know for sure if this is even part of the
interview.

[Relf]

Ukraine is getting beaten like a dog.

RonB's cult requires an apocalypse, so he refuses to see.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-02-08, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>>>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?
>>>
>>> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
>>> for by the American people?
>>
>> Who started it?
>
> Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
> ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
> influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
> coup.)

Vlogging for Vlad :-D

--
Be cheerful while you are alive.
-- Phathotep, 24th Century B.C.

[chrisv]

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> RonB wrote:
>>
>> Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
>> ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
>> influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
>> coup.)
>
> Vlogging for Vlad :-D

The talk about having Ukraine join NATO was also extremely misguided,
IMO.

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[RonB]

No, Nuland was Vlogging for Volod Zelensky.

[RonB]

On 2024-02-09, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> RonB wrote:
>>>
>>> Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
>>> ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
>>> influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
>>> coup.)
>>
>> Vlogging for Vlad :-D
>
> The talk about having Ukraine join NATO was also extremely misguided,
> IMO.

It showed, once again, the uselessness of the United States' promises.
Pretty much the history of the greedy bastards who have always run our
country.

[rbowman]

On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 07:02:36 -0600, chrisv wrote:

> The talk about having Ukraine join NATO was also extremely misguided,
> IMO.

NATO itself is extremely misguided. I'm old enough to remember the 'peace
dividend' when the USSR was dissolved. However the US cannot exist without
a perpetual enemy to justify the industrial-military complex Eisenhower
warned about. His warning was ignored just as Washington's advice to avoid
foreign entanglements was.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> RonB wrote:
>>>
>>> Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
>>> ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
>>> influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
>>> coup.)
>>
>> Vlogging for Vlad :-D
>
> The talk about having Ukraine join NATO was also extremely misguided,
> IMO.

I would agree there's room for argument about that.

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persons attempting to find a moral in it will be banished; persons attempting
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[Chris Ahlstrom]

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On the other hand, there always seems to be some country willing to invade and
conquer other countries.

What a stew the world is.

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A: One. Only it's his light bulb when he's done.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-08, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>>>>>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
>>>>> for by the American people?
>>>>
>>>> Who started it?
>>>
>>> Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
>>> ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
>>> influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
>>> coup.)
>>
>> Vlogging for Vlad :-D
>
> No, Nuland was Vlogging for Volod Zelensky.

I was referring to Tucks.

--
Q: How many lawyers does it take to change a light bulb?

A: You won't find a lawyer who can change a light bulb. Now, if
you're looking for a lawyer to screw a light bulb...

[rbowman]

On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 15:41:07 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> On the other hand, there always seems to be some country willing to
> invade and conquer other countries.
>
> What a stew the world is.

And it all goes back to agriculture, the bane of humanity.

[RonB]

On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-02-08, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>>> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>>>>>>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
>>>>>> for by the American people?
>>>>>
>>>>> Who started it?
>>>>
>>>> Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
>>>> ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
>>>> influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
>>>> coup.)
>>>
>>> Vlogging for Vlad :-D
>>
>> No, Nuland was Vlogging for Volod Zelensky.
>
> I was referring to Tucks.

I was referring to Nuland and the CIA coup she supported that started this
war in Ukraine.

[RonB]

On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:

> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 07:02:36 -0600, chrisv wrote:
>>
>>> The talk about having Ukraine join NATO was also extremely misguided,
>>> IMO.
>>
>> NATO itself is extremely misguided. I'm old enough to remember the 'peace
>> dividend' when the USSR was dissolved. However the US cannot exist without
>> a perpetual enemy to justify the industrial-military complex Eisenhower
>> warned about. His warning was ignored just as Washington's advice to avoid
>> foreign entanglements was.
>
> On the other hand, there always seems to be some country willing to invade and
> conquer other countries.
>
> What a stew the world is.

So, is this your way of excusing U.S. actions in Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Iran,
Serbia, Viet Nam, etc.?

A shrug of the shoulders and "oh well?"

We have over 800 military bases all over the world. Time for us to become
the U.S. and not a world empire in rapid decline.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 07:02:36 -0600, chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>>> The talk about having Ukraine join NATO was also extremely misguided,
>>>> IMO.
>>>
>>> NATO itself is extremely misguided. I'm old enough to remember the 'peace
>>> dividend' when the USSR was dissolved. However the US cannot exist without
>>> a perpetual enemy to justify the industrial-military complex Eisenhower
>>> warned about. His warning was ignored just as Washington's advice to avoid
>>> foreign entanglements was.
>>
>> On the other hand, there always seems to be some country willing to invade and
>> conquer other countries.
>>
>> What a stew the world is.
>
> So, is this your way of excusing U.S. actions in Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Iran,
> Serbia, Viet Nam, etc.?
>
> A shrug of the shoulders and "oh well?"
>
> We have over 800 military bases all over the world. Time for us to become
> the U.S. and not a world empire in rapid decline.

Way too simplistic.

--
Don't get to bragging.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

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> On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-02-08, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>>>> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>>>>>>>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
>>>>>>> for by the American people?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who started it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
>>>>> ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
>>>>> influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
>>>>> coup.)
>>>>
>>>> Vlogging for Vlad :-D
>>>
>>> No, Nuland was Vlogging for Volod Zelensky.
>>
>> I was referring to Tucks.
>
> I was referring to Nuland and the CIA coup she supported that started this
> war in Ukraine.

10 years ago. Then Putin decides to invade. Why the long delay?

--
For courage mounteth with occasion.
-- William Shakespeare, "King John"

[RonB]

In what way? In what part of our Constitution does it say we should have
military bases all over the world?

[RonB]

On 2024-02-10, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-02-08, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>>>>> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>>>>>>>>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
>>>>>>>> for by the American people?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who started it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
>>>>>> ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
>>>>>> influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
>>>>>> coup.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Vlogging for Vlad :-D
>>>>
>>>> No, Nuland was Vlogging for Volod Zelensky.
>>>
>>> I was referring to Tucks.
>>
>> I was referring to Nuland and the CIA coup she supported that started this
>> war in Ukraine.
>
> 10 years ago. Then Putin decides to invade. Why the long delay?

Putin came in to protect the Russians in Ukraine, who were being shelled
(tens of thousands, mostly civilian, died in those eight years). For eight
years AFTER the lying piles of shit in Ukraine, France and Germany signed
the Minsk Agreements, Putin tried to get them to keep their word and give
limited autonomy to the Donbass region (as agreed). Last year all three of
the leaders of those countries admitted that they lied through their teeth
and never intended to uphold the agreements they signed. They did it to buy
time to build up Ukraine's armed forces.

NATO in Ukraine was a red line for Russia. Russia warned us many times.
Putin doesn't lie about these things. He told us not to go there. Would we
put up with Russia building up Mexico to threaten the United States?

[Chris Ahlstrom]

:-D

> who were being shelled
> (tens of thousands, mostly civilian, died in those eight years). For eight
> years AFTER the lying piles of shit in Ukraine, France and Germany signed
> the Minsk Agreements, Putin tried to get them to keep their word and give
> limited autonomy to the Donbass region (as agreed). Last year all three of
> the leaders of those countries admitted that they lied through their teeth
> and never intended to uphold the agreements they signed. They did it to buy
> time to build up Ukraine's armed forces.
>
> NATO in Ukraine was a red line for Russia. Russia warned us many times.
> Putin doesn't lie about these things. He told us not to go there. Would we
> put up with Russia building up Mexico to threaten the United States?

So we'd go in and start bombing Mexico?

--
The better part of valor is discretion.
-- William Shakespeare, "Henry IV"

[rbowman]

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:41:51 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:


> In what way? In what part of our Constitution does it say we should have
> military bases all over the world?

The Constitution attempted to discourage standing armies but it didn't
take long to get around that poorly written clause.

[rbowman]

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:06:45 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> 10 years ago. Then Putin decides to invade. Why the long delay?

Are you really that out of touch?

[RonB]

We would if Russia started supplying missiles to Mexico. If you think we
wouldn't then you're extremely naive or purposely obtuse.

[RonB]

Yep. But even "standing armies" doesn't explain 800+ permanent military
bases all over the world.

[RonB]

On 2024-02-10, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

Either that or he's being purposely obtuse so he doesn't have to admit the
truth of the situation.

The "smarmy gene" is strong in Chris.

[rbowman]

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 13:24:46 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> So we'd go in and start bombing Mexico?

There certainly is precedent for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Villa_Expedition

[rbowman]

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 23:18:36 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> On 2024-02-10, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

>> So we'd go in and start bombing Mexico?
>
> We would if Russia started supplying missiles to Mexico. If you think we
> wouldn't then you're extremely naive or purposely obtuse.

I'm old enough to remember some tense moments when the USSR placed
missiles in Cuba.

[RonB]

I remember it, but I was still pretty young. So it didn't mean a lot to me.

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[Chris Ahlstrom]

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> On 2024-02-10, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:41:51 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In what way? In what part of our Constitution does it say we should have
>>> military bases all over the world?
>>
>> The Constitution attempted to discourage standing armies but it didn't
>> take long to get around that poorly written clause.
>
> Yep. But even "standing armies" doesn't explain 800+ permanent military
> bases all over the world.

Although there are too many, there are valid reasons to have a worldwide
presence.

--
Patch griefs with proverbs.
-- William Shakespeare, "Much Ado About Nothing"

[Chris Ahlstrom]

RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-02-10, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:06:45 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> 10 years ago. Then Putin decides to invade. Why the long delay?
>>
>> Are you really that out of touch?
>
> Either that or he's being purposely obtuse so he doesn't have to admit the
> truth of the situation.
>
> The "smarmy gene" is strong in Chris.

You sip too much from the firehose of falsehood.

--
"... all the modern inconveniences ..."
-- Mark Twain

[RonB]

On 2024-02-11, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-02-10, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:41:51 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> In what way? In what part of our Constitution does it say we should have
>>>> military bases all over the world?
>>>
>>> The Constitution attempted to discourage standing armies but it didn't
>>> take long to get around that poorly written clause.
>>
>> Yep. But even "standing armies" doesn't explain 800+ permanent military
>> bases all over the world.
>
> Although there are too many, there are valid reasons to have a worldwide
> presence.

Sure there are. Name one or two of these alleged "reasons." Keep in mind
that's it not our business to rule the world and prop up the Petro-dollar
with coups and influence peddling.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an

entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."

[RonB]

On 2024-02-11, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:

> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-02-10, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:06:45 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> 10 years ago. Then Putin decides to invade. Why the long delay?
>>>
>>> Are you really that out of touch?
>>
>> Either that or he's being purposely obtuse so he doesn't have to admit the
>> truth of the situation.
>>
>> The "smarmy gene" is strong in Chris.
>
> You sip too much from the firehose of falsehood.

That's you smarmy way of saying you don't like to be called out for your
vapid, fact-free bullshit.

[-hh]

On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 12:43:28 AM UTC-5, RonB wrote:
> On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
> > rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
> >
> >> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 07:02:36 -0600, chrisv wrote:
> >>
> >>> The talk about having Ukraine join NATO was also extremely misguided,
> >>> IMO.
> >>
> >> NATO itself is extremely misguided. I'm old enough to remember the 'peace
> >> dividend' when the USSR was dissolved. However the US cannot exist without
> >> a perpetual enemy to justify the industrial-military complex Eisenhower
> >> warned about. His warning was ignored just as Washington's advice to avoid
> >> foreign entanglements was.
> >
> > On the other hand, there always seems to be some country willing to invade and
> > conquer other countries.
> >
> > What a stew the world is.
> So, is this your way of excusing U.S. actions in Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Iran,
> Serbia, Viet Nam, etc.?
>
> A shrug of the shoulders and "oh well?"
>
> We have over 800 military bases all over the world. Time for us to become
> the U.S. and not a world empire in rapid decline.

Better say upfront that you’re willing to pay 2x more for all your personal purchases.

Because if you won’t/can’t, you’re hypocritically trying to have your cake & eat it too.

-hh

[rbowman]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 07:25:07 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Although there are too many, there are valid reasons to have a worldwide
> presence.

Such as? I can see a few troops to protect embassies although Obama and
Clinton manage to fuck Libya up completely.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-02-11, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-10, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:41:51 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In what way? In what part of our Constitution does it say we should have
>>>>> military bases all over the world?
>>>>
>>>> The Constitution attempted to discourage standing armies but it didn't
>>>> take long to get around that poorly written clause.
>>>
>>> Yep. But even "standing armies" doesn't explain 800+ permanent military
>>> bases all over the world.
>>
>> Although there are too many, there are valid reasons to have a worldwide
>> presence.
>
> Sure there are. Name one or two of these alleged "reasons." Keep in mind
> that's it not our business to rule the world and prop up the Petro-dollar
> with coups and influence peddling.

I agree with that last statement, heartily.

Here follows the stuff I think is valid and good for a certain amount of
American military presence around the world.

Protecting our homeland. Defend our national interests (yeah, some are not
so good). Train our troops for war situations; these *will* happen. Deter
aggression. Spreading American goodwill and assistance (I know you'll get a
laugh out of that one, but Christian missionaries also do it). Provide
humanitarian service.

Personally, I think we spend too much on the military. And yet, some of the
coolest guys I've met are servicemen. They've served in all sorts of countries
and their experiences are often quite salutory. And, it must be confessed, some
of them are sick fsckers, in a funny way, if you have a mordant sense of humor.

ObLinux:

https://www.kali.org/

The most advanced
Penetration Testing Distribution

Kali Linux is an open-source, Debian-based Linux distribution geared towards
various information security tasks, such as Penetration Testing, Security
Research, Computer Forensics and Reverse Engineering.

Haw haw haw haw haw:

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[Chris Ahlstrom]

RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-02-11, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-10, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:06:45 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 10 years ago. Then Putin decides to invade. Why the long delay?
>>>>
>>>> Are you really that out of touch?
>>>
>>> Either that or he's being purposely obtuse so he doesn't have to admit the
>>> truth of the situation.
>>>
>>> The "smarmy gene" is strong in Chris.
>>
>> You sip too much from the firehose of falsehood.
>
> That's you smarmy way of saying you don't like to be called out for your
> vapid, fact-free bullshit.

Whatever you say, Cletus.

--
Someone is speaking well of you.
How unusual!

[rbowman]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 10:20:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:


> I remember it, but I was still pretty young. So it didn't mean a lot to
> me.

Where were you in '62? :) That would have been my sophomore year in high
school. That's after spending 8 years in grade school periodically going
out into the halls, crouching down, and kissing our asses goodbye. The
presence of the Watervliet Arsenal, home of the Atomic Cannon, a few miles
away led out to envision a large target on the area.

I probably was naive about Kennedy. For one thing he was Catholic which
led to rooting for the home team during the election versus Tricky Dick.
He and Jackie were also a switch from Grandpa Ike and Grandma Mamie.

Owing to falling into a ditch and spraining my ankle I was home from
school and could watch his inauguration, the only one I've watched. Then
there was the assassination with teachers crying as they announced his
death.

[RonB]

Our homeland is not in Ukraine or Israel or Syria... By protecting our
"national interests" you mean protecting our corporate ghouls "right" to
steal other countries' natural resources. "Deter aggression?" — by
aggressively forcing our will on other countries. (Not working out that
well, is it?) "American" (banker's) "good will" and "assistance" always
comes with controlling strings attached, unlike China and Russia who trade
with others as sovereign countries. "Humanitarian service?" — like fomenting
coups all over the world.

And most of your stated goals (even if they were legitimate) do not require
800+ foreign military bases.

> Personally, I think we spend too much on the military. And yet, some of the
> coolest guys I've met are servicemen. They've served in all sorts of countries
> and their experiences are often quite salutory. And, it must be confessed, some
> of them are sick fsckers, in a funny way, if you have a mordant sense of humor.

Agree there. But our soldiers are misused by our Deep State.

> ObLinux:
>
> https://www.kali.org/
>
> The most advanced
> Penetration Testing Distribution
>
> Kali Linux is an open-source, Debian-based Linux distribution geared towards
> various information security tasks, such as Penetration Testing, Security
> Research, Computer Forensics and Reverse Engineering.
>
> Haw haw haw haw haw:
>


--

[RonB]

On 2024-02-11, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-02-11, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-02-10, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:06:45 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 10 years ago. Then Putin decides to invade. Why the long delay?
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you really that out of touch?
>>>>
>>>> Either that or he's being purposely obtuse so he doesn't have to admit the
>>>> truth of the situation.
>>>>
>>>> The "smarmy gene" is strong in Chris.
>>>
>>> You sip too much from the firehose of falsehood.
>>
>> That's you smarmy way of saying you don't like to be called out for your
>> vapid, fact-free bullshit.
>
> Whatever you say, Cletus.

More fact-free snark. It's what you do and you stick to it.

[RonB]

On 2024-02-11, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

I was about six years old in southern California. I don't remember much
about the Cuban missile crisis (probably my "memories" about it came from
watching TV later). I do remember when Kennedy was shot, however. Things
weren't normal, you "felt" it, like a pall cast over everything. Being a
self-centered little shit, the main inconvenience I remember was not being
able to watch my Saturday morning cartoons. I remember being relieved when
TV went back to normal and it wasn't all news. (This one of the times when
we did have a TV. My father kept going back and forth between having a TV in
the house and getting rid of it.)

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an

entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."

[rbowman]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 16:09:52 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> ObLinux:
>
> https://www.kali.org/
>
> The most advanced Penetration Testing Distribution

Available from the Windows Store to run in WSL... It's handy for one-stop
shopping but John the Ripper, nmap, WireShark etc can be installed on any
Linux distro. Some even have Windows builds.

[rbowman]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 03:26:00 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Our homeland is not in Ukraine or Israel or Syria... By protecting our
> "national interests" you mean protecting our corporate ghouls "right" to
> steal other countries' natural resources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

After 34 years in the Crotch he wrote 'War is a Racket'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket

Nothing has changed.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

You two seem quite jaded and depressed.

Don't worry, it's only going to get worse. Then you'll really be
happy :-D

--
You will lose your present job and have to become a door to door mayonnaise
salesman.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-02-11, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-11, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-02-10, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:06:45 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 10 years ago. Then Putin decides to invade. Why the long delay?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you really that out of touch?
>>>>>
>>>>> Either that or he's being purposely obtuse so he doesn't have to admit the
>>>>> truth of the situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "smarmy gene" is strong in Chris.
>>>>
>>>> You sip too much from the firehose of falsehood.
>>>
>>> That's you smarmy way of saying you don't like to be called out for your
>>> vapid, fact-free bullshit.
>>
>> Whatever you say, Cletus.
>
> More fact-free snark. It's what you do and you stick to it.

PKB bruh!

--
Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of
Congress. But I repeat myself.
-- Mark Twain

[RonB]

On 2024-02-12, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 03:26:00 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>
>>> Our homeland is not in Ukraine or Israel or Syria... By protecting our
>>> "national interests" you mean protecting our corporate ghouls "right" to
>>> steal other countries' natural resources.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
>>
>> After 34 years in the Crotch he wrote 'War is a Racket'.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
>>
>> Nothing has changed.
>
> You two seem quite jaded and depressed.

Not depressed, just not reality-challenged, like you. For example, I don't
go around claiming men can have babies or that a man can be a woman. Simple
little facts like that.

> Don't worry, it's only going to get worse. Then you'll really be
> happy :-D

Yes. And I guess ignorance is bliss, as your vapid comments seem to
indicate.

[rbowman]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 08:19:56 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Don't worry, it's only going to get worse. Then you'll really be happy
> :-D

I'll admit to a certain fondness for accelerationism. Keep pushing until
it's time to, in the words of the great social philosopher James Morrison,
burn the whole shit house down.

[rbowman]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 03:58:00 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I remember being relieved when TV went back to normal and it wasn't all
> news. (This one of the times when we did have a TV. My father kept going
> back and forth between having a TV in the house and getting rid of it.)

I remember some of the best TV programming I've ever seen. After the
talking heads ran out of blather in the evening they played Dvořák's 'New
World Symphony' with stock photos of US locations.

The heads don't know enough to shut up now. I don't plug into the audio
but the gym has TV screens on the treadmills that I try to ignore. The
channel was set to Fox or CNN, I forget which, the night of the New
Hampshire primary. No results had been reported so there was nothing to
say but the assorted heads were droning on and on about something.

I suppose that was better than the channel that seems to play 'The Big
Bang Theory' endlessly. I once watched a couple of episodes of that and it
was as annoying as the one episode of Seinfeld that I've seen.

[RonB]

I think that's the only way the swamp is going to be drained. My priest
called what is probably going to happen to our country a "chastisement."
Russia has had their chastisment, the Soviet Union. Unfortunately it looks
like it's our turn.

1 And we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
and of our gathering together unto him: 2 That you be not easily moved
from your sense, nor be terrified, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor
by epistle, as sent from us, as if the day of the Lord were at hand. 3
Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt
first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, 4 Who
opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is
worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as
if he were God. 5 Remember you not, that when I was yet with you, I told
you these things?

6 And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his
time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who
now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then that
wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the
spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his
coming, him, 9 Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in
all power, and signs, and lying wonders, 10 And in all seduction of
iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the
truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the
operation of error, to believe lying:

11 That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have
consented to iniquity. 12 But we ought to give thanks to God always for
you, brethren, beloved of God, for that God hath chosen you firstfruits
unto salvation, in sanctification of the spirit, and faith of the truth:
13 Whereunto also he hath called you by our gospel, unto the purchasing
of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 14 Therefore, brethren, stand
fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word,
or by our epistle. 15 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God and our
Father, who hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation,
and good hope in grace, 6 Exhort your hearts, and confirm you in every
good work and word. — 2 Thessalonians 2

[RonB]

On 2024-02-12, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 03:58:00 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> I remember being relieved when TV went back to normal and it wasn't all
>> news. (This one of the times when we did have a TV. My father kept going
>> back and forth between having a TV in the house and getting rid of it.)
>
> I remember some of the best TV programming I've ever seen. After the
> talking heads ran out of blather in the evening they played Dvořák's 'New
> World Symphony' with stock photos of US locations.

I was too young. I do remember they ran an old Catholic movie somewhere in
the mix — which we watched because it was something other than news. (None
of us were Catholic at the time.)

> The heads don't know enough to shut up now. I don't plug into the audio
> but the gym has TV screens on the treadmills that I try to ignore. The
> channel was set to Fox or CNN, I forget which, the night of the New
> Hampshire primary. No results had been reported so there was nothing to
> say but the assorted heads were droning on and on about something.

The only place I ever saw CNN on TV was at airports. I think CNN lost their
contract for that recently, but I haven't been in an airport lately so I
can't confirm it.

> I suppose that was better than the channel that seems to play 'The Big
> Bang Theory' endlessly. I once watched a couple of episodes of that and it
> was as annoying as the one episode of Seinfeld that I've seen.

When I used to watch TV, some of the ads were more entertaining than the
shows. Now when I'm stuck somewhere where the TV is blaring, all the ads
seem to be for drugs with more side effects than Carter has little liver
pills. And all the same depressing crap. Basically zombies walking in slow
motion. What is the deal with that?

[rbowman]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 18:21:40 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> When I used to watch TV, some of the ads were more entertaining than the
> shows. Now when I'm stuck somewhere where the TV is blaring, all the ads
> seem to be for drugs with more side effects than Carter has little liver
> pills. And all the same depressing crap. Basically zombies walking in
> slow motion. What is the deal with that?

Along with the drug ads for obscure medical problems the ads give the
impression that the US is at least 50% black, with salt and pepper couples
being the norm.

[DFS]

Yes, and it's so fuckin' disgusting. Outside of the big cities, you
hardly see jigaboos.

[rbowman]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 23:41:02 -0500, DFS wrote:

> Yes, and it's so fuckin' disgusting. Outside of the big cities, you
> hardly see jigaboos.

I wouldn't phrase it that way but it's true. Upstate NY had some, mostly
in Albany but a few in Troy. After I left NY I briefly lived in
Springfield MA where there were more.

After that I lived in New Hampshire, Maine, Vermont, and now Montana. The
demographics have changed back east but at the time those three states
were about 99% white.

Montana was more diverse when I moved here in '89, 92% white, 6% Indian.
At 0.5% there were more Hmong and other Asians than blacks. There are more
Indians now, 6.7% but there are still more Asians than blacks. 0.9% versus
0.6%.

In 20 years there have been two black people where I work. I hired a black
programmer but I'm not counting him. He showed up for a day and went back
to Boise to work remotely.

So, yeah, when I watch TV ads I see a lot more black people than I see in
the normal course of my life.

[RonB]

True.

[Physfitfreak]

Hahhahahahh :-))

That's because the billionaires have plans for you :)



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[Chris Ahlstrom]

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

Are you arguing for proportional representation? <chuckle>

<Just joshing BTW... I get tickled pretty easily (let's see what they do with
THAT one :-D)>

Another guy who gets tickled pretty easily; this made the rounds at work a
couple decades ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA4DUYwoJWs

Roy D Mercer "Dead Hamster"

--
Many a writer seems to think he is never profound except when he can't
understand his own meaning.
-- George D. Prentice

[Chris Ahlstrom]

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 23:41:02 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Yes, and it's so fuckin' disgusting. Outside of the big cities, you
>> hardly see jigaboos.

Livin' in a cave!

DFS would crap his diapers if he visited L.A.

> <brevsnip>

>
> Montana was more diverse when I moved here in '89, 92% white, 6% Indian.
> At 0.5% there were more Hmong and other Asians than blacks. There are more
> Indians now, 6.7% but there are still more Asians than blacks. 0.9% versus
> 0.6%.

Apparently quite a few cartel members as well!

> In 20 years there have been two black people where I work. I hired a black
> programmer but I'm not counting him. He showed up for a day and went back
> to Boise to work remotely.
>
> So, yeah, when I watch TV ads I see a lot more black people than I see in
> the normal course of my life.

Livin' in a cave!

$ aiksaurus negro
=== whitey ===================
black, black man, boy, Caucasian, colored person, darky, gook, honky, Indian,
Negro, nigger, Oriental, paleface, pygmy, red man, redskin, spade, WASP, white,
white man, whitey

--
Tonight you will pay the wages of sin; Don't forget to leave a tip.

[RabidPedagog]

On 2024-02-13 2:13 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-02-13, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 18:21:40 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>
>>> When I used to watch TV, some of the ads were more entertaining than the
>>> shows. Now when I'm stuck somewhere where the TV is blaring, all the ads
>>> seem to be for drugs with more side effects than Carter has little liver
>>> pills. And all the same depressing crap. Basically zombies walking in
>>> slow motion. What is the deal with that?
>>
>> Along with the drug ads for obscure medical problems the ads give the
>> impression that the US is at least 50% black, with salt and pepper couples
>> being the norm.
>
> True.

The black population is increasing and they won't be 13 or 14% for much
longer, especially with the additional parasites coming in through the
southern border. Soon, you'll enjoy the many benefits of a "diverse"
population like we do through random shootings in and around children's
parks. One guy got shot at the beginning of the afternoon last week in
the park in the town next to mine. Yesterday, next to another park in
the same area of town, two cars shot at one another in the middle of the
afternoon. We are told that we shouldn't be racist though, so we ignore
the reality that the more nuggets, spics and sand nuggets you allow in,
the more criminality there is. It's all good though because they will
get rid of the real problem for us: law-abiding White "supremacists."

--
RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative

[DFS]

On 2/13/2024 7:55 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 23:41:02 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, and it's so fuckin' disgusting. Outside of the big cities, you
>>> hardly see jigaboos.
>
> Livin' in a cave!
>
> DFS would crap his diapers if he visited L.A.

wtf? I grew up in Apelanta.

>> <brevsnip>
>>
>> Montana was more diverse when I moved here in '89, 92% white, 6% Indian.
>> At 0.5% there were more Hmong and other Asians than blacks. There are more
>> Indians now, 6.7% but there are still more Asians than blacks. 0.9% versus
>> 0.6%.
>
> Apparently quite a few cartel members as well!
>
>> In 20 years there have been two black people where I work. I hired a black
>> programmer but I'm not counting him. He showed up for a day and went back
>> to Boise to work remotely.
>>
>> So, yeah, when I watch TV ads I see a lot more black people than I see in
>> the normal course of my life.
>
> Livin' in a cave!

No, he's living in the good part of town.

> $ aiksaurus negro
> === whitey ===================
> black, black man, boy, Caucasian, colored person, darky, gook, honky, Indian,
> Negro, nigger, Oriental, paleface, pygmy, red man, redskin, spade, WASP, white,
> white man, whitey

weak. The good stuff is here: http://www.rsdb.org

[DFS]

On 2/13/2024 1:26 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 23:41:02 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Yes, and it's so fuckin' disgusting. Outside of the big cities, you
>> hardly see jigaboos.
>
> I wouldn't phrase it that way but it's true.

So how would you phrase it?

> Upstate NY had some, mostly
> in Albany but a few in Troy. After I left NY I briefly lived in
> Springfield MA where there were more.
>
> After that I lived in New Hampshire, Maine, Vermont, and now Montana. The
> demographics have changed back east but at the time those three states
> were about 99% white.
>
> Montana was more diverse when I moved here in '89, 92% white, 6% Indian.
> At 0.5% there were more Hmong and other Asians than blacks. There are more
> Indians now, 6.7% but there are still more Asians than blacks. 0.9% versus
> 0.6%.
>
> In 20 years there have been two black people where I work. I hired a black
> programmer but I'm not counting him. He showed up for a day and went back
> to Boise to work remotely.

Two of us (developers) rejected a black Java programmer because he was
the worst communicator of all the candidates we interviewed by phone.
Total dud. I didn't know he was black at the time, but affirmative
action came through for him and lo and behold he shows up a few days
later, our recommendations being overridden by his nappy hair and broad
nose.

As I understood it, he also had a predilection for prison food.

> So, yeah, when I watch TV ads I see a lot more black people than I see in
> the normal course of my life.

Lucky you.

[rbowman]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 08:02:22 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:

> The black population is increasing and they won't be 13 or 14% for much
> longer, especially with the additional parasites coming in through the
> southern border.

POCs perhaps, but not blacks. Many Hispanics don't care much for blacks.
American blacks aren't too thrilled by recent black arrivals either. A
group of Somalis were originally settled in Georgia. They didn't get along
to well so they moved en masse to Lewiston ME where they're enriched the
hell out of the community, or at least did wonders for the high school
soccer team.

The blacks are starting to realize they're the ones getting screwed by the
illegals getting all the gibs.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

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^ jobs

Then why are so many yt peepo up in arms about it? :-)

--
Grief can take care of itself; but to get the full value of a joy you must
have somebody to divide it with.
-- Mark Twain

[rbowman]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 01:19:42 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

> That's because the billionaires have plans for you

They do. And some have plans for the billionaires.

[rbowman]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 08:38:33 -0500, DFS wrote:

> So how would you phrase it?

I have been re-educated to use politer terms. A rose by any other name
would smell as sweet.

[RabidPedagog]

All I can say is that Montreal-North, where m cousin lived when I was
growing up, was a decent community when we were kids. Now, it's the
hotbed of criminality in the city because of all of the nuggets who
decided to move there. I imagine that properties didn't cost too much
over there even in the 80s and 90s which invited all of the worst people
to settle there.

Growing up, I had nothing against Haitians. They gave me tons of reasons
to profoundly dislike them though after childhood.


--
RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative

[Chris Ahlstrom]

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> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 01:19:42 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>> That's because the billionaires have plans for you
>
> They do. And some have plans for the billionaires.

Eat the rich?

Good luck getting at them in their bunkers. Or in their space stations. In
America, we let them dodge a lotta taxes, as is the privilege of the oligarchs.
Fsck you very much, Congress. Fsck you very much, John Roberts.

--
Q: What is the difference between Texas and yogurt?
A: Yogurt has culture.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

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> Growing up, I had nothing against Haitians. They gave me tons of reasons
> to profoundly dislike them though after childhood.

One of my best soccer friends was (an is) a Haitian.

It's retrogressive to generalize like that. People of the same extraction might
have completely different backgrounds, economic experiences, and life
experiences.

The people I played soccer with hailed from Peru, Mexico, Iceland, Germany,
France, Morocco, England, Australia, America, .... All were friendly and good
people.

But one guy, possibly an illegal alien from Mexico or South America,
in an incident I heard about, kicked a rec soccer player in the nuts, then in
the head, almost popping his eye out of his head. That did not reflect on the
other good people.

--
There is a 20% chance of tomorrow.

[Physfitfreak]

This is very serious stuff. Don't underestimate the billionaires :)

Of course it depends on who carries out the plan faster.

They, the billionaires, are going to turn enough of you into brown
people before your plans for billionaires ever materialize. Then the
majority of you, and that's _brown_ people, will say, "bro, dis plan
ain't owa thang nommo!"

Hahhahah :)

And that's the beginning of the end of cro-magnons in this country;
cause Hispanics will commence theirs now. A lot of Native Americans are
waiting for that day. A lot of people everywhere in the world!

Europe is within reach of the world. They were goners at the time of
Mongols onslaught anyway, if it wasn't for Iran which tamed the Mongols.
Settled them.

So Europe will not be as safe as America with two vast oceans protecting
them on both sides.

That's where "billionaires" are taking you. That's why they're working
on the USA and Canada first. And if you ask me, this plan was drawn late
on December of 1977. I don't think a single one of you know what you are
facing. None of you know Modern Humans well enough. It's just life as
life can be. We evolved past cro-magnons.

[rbowman]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 14:24:01 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:

> Growing up, I had nothing against Haitians. They gave me tons of reasons
> to profoundly dislike them though after childhood.

I never had exposure to blacks until high school. There was some tension
there since it was the '60s but most of the riots were after I graduated.
Troy never had a riot. Cooler heads realized all those white boys were
just waiting for an excuse.

All those were domestic issue. I didn't have any exposure to the exotic
varieties until I did some equipment installation in the Toronto area. You
have to remember that the US didn't open the doors until 1965. NYC had
more Puerto Ricans than Puerto Rico of course. It was strange going down
to the World's Fair in '64 and seeing a lot of signage in Spanish.

[rbowman]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 16:30:28 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> The people I played soccer with hailed from Peru, Mexico, Iceland,
> Germany, France, Morocco, England, Australia, America, .... All were
> friendly and good people.

Ah, soccer. Another foreign import... Yeah, I know there was a US soccer
team in the 19th century but when I was growing up nobody ever played it.
I don't remember when it became a thing.

[Relf]

Black culture can be hard to understand, at first, if you're not used to it.

[RabidPedagog]

On 2024-02-13 5:22 p.m., Relf wrote:
> Black culture can be hard to understand, at first, if you're not used to it.

It's fairly easy to understand the mindset of a nugger and the term
"gibsmedat" pretty much sums it up.

--
RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative

[Joel]

"Relf" <Use...@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote:

>Black culture can be hard to understand, at first, if you're not used to it.

You purport to have some insight on it, Relf?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[Joel]

RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>On 2024-02-13 5:22 p.m., Relf wrote:
>
>> Black culture can be hard to understand, at first, if you're not used to it.
>
>It's fairly easy to understand the mindset of a nugger and the term
>"gibsmedat" pretty much sums it up.

No, you're just a racist dummy.

[rbowman]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 14:22:02 -0800 (Seattle), Relf wrote:

> Black culture can be hard to understand, at first, if you're not used to
> it.

So can an e. coli culture. In the timeless words of Earl Butz, all they
want is loose shoes, tight pussy, and a warm place to shit.

[rbowman]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 15:55:42 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

> That's where "billionaires" are taking you. That's why they're working
> on the USA and Canada first. And if you ask me, this plan was drawn late
> on December of 1977. I don't think a single one of you know what you are
> facing. None of you know Modern Humans well enough. It's just life as
> life can be. We evolved past cro-magnons.

If I were younger I'd be looking into the free land for homesteaders plan
in Russia.

[Physfitfreak]

Hahhahahh :-))

I have worked around American Blacks (in warehouses) for some time. One
thing I liked in them was the fact that the level of enthusiasm in them
is impressive. So they're like time-bombs, cause all they need is a
culture change to one that includes science, literature, history, etc.
If that happens, you'll see as much dominance by them in these fields as
they presently have in sports, music, etc, and for the same reasons.

I never got to know them closely though, so I'm not able to make a
judgement on them. They've stayed a mystery to me only because I really
never studied them. I was busy enough with scores of other matters which
filled (and fills) up my time.

There are a few clues to my assertion in the first paragraph. One that
comes to my mind is the case of Ebne Khaldun when the Islamic culture
dominated all the three areas I mentioned above. Other Iranians and
Arabs who knew him personally have said he was Black (Tunisian). In
historeography he had no equal. Generally, everything that today forms
"the humanities" fields, began with his works.

Many do not mention the fact that he was Black and even try to conceal it.

[DFS]

On 2/13/2024 5:22 PM, Relf wrote:

> Black culture can be hard to understand, at first, if you're not used to it.

What culture?

[Joel]

How do you expect to know of it, when you ASSume so much about it
based on stereotyping, foolishness? I know your brain is capable of
better, but you don't exercise it, you cling to racism just like you
cling to commercial software. Hard to understand how it benefits you.

[rbowman]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 20:06:40 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

> I have worked around American Blacks (in warehouses) for some time. One
> thing I liked in them was the fact that the level of enthusiasm in them
> is impressive. So they're like time-bombs, cause all they need is a
> culture change to one that includes science, literature, history, etc.
> If that happens, you'll see as much dominance by them in these fields as
> they presently have in sports, music, etc, and for the same reasons.

When I was in my 20s I thought that might happen. I hired a black guy who
had had two years at RPI before dropping out. While he was capable he
admitted that the old 'hood kept drawing him back in. He was tight with
his cousin who was true gangsta material.

A few achieve escape velocity but if anything their culture has grown more
dysfunctional in the intervening 50 years.

[Physfitfreak]

Well of course enthusiasm isn't everything. But if other elements are
there, enthusiasm will do wonders. Look at Jews in this country. They
have a few percent Black in them, and for that, they always show more
enthusiasm than non-Jews and this launches their plans and take them to
their goals. Blacks might have greater potential than the Jews. But
other elements must get there before the time-bomb sets off.

Right now the Blacks in this country have too many excuses. I've talked
to them many times at work. They're blaming others, Black and White. If
that settles down and they begin to realize that each person's life is
ultimately in his own hands and no one else gives a damn, they begin to
function. Human, generally, has it in himself to function constructively
under any condition.

[RabidPedagog]

Rape of white women, theft of white wealth and murder of both black and
White people.

--
RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative

[Joel]

RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>On 2024-02-13 10:06 p.m., DFS wrote:
>> On 2/13/2024 5:22 PM, Relf wrote:
>>
>>> Black culture can be hard to understand, at first, if you're not used
>>> to it.
>>
>> What culture?
>
>Rape of white women, theft of white wealth and murder of both black and
>White people.

Are you just dense, dude? During slavery and its aftermath, all of
that was done by whites to blacks, after they forced them to come here
in the first place. Just get a fucking clue.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Open_Cup

The Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup, commonly known as the U.S. Open Cup (USOC),
is a knockout cup competition in men's soccer in the United States of
America. It is the country's oldest ongoing national soccer competition.[1]
The competition was first held during the 1913–1914 season as the National
Challenge Cup, with Brooklyn Field Club winning a trophy donated by Thomas
Dewar for the promotion of American soccer.[2] It was renamed and dedicated
to North American Soccer League (NASL) and Major League Soccer (MLS)
executive Lamar Hunt by the United States Soccer Federation in 1999.

I remember as a kid reading about Pele playing for the NY Cosmos, and
about the Chicago Sting.

But I didn't get deep into soccer until an "oldies" league at age 35.

--
A is for Apple.
-- Hester Pryne

[Chris Ahlstrom]

RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> It's fairly easy to understand the mindset of a nugger and the term
> "gibsmedat" pretty much sums it up.

And look at his signature:

> --
> RabidPedagog
> Catholic paleoconservative

Hoo boy.

--
Q: What's the difference between Bell Labs and the Boy Scouts of America?
A: The Boy Scouts have adult supervision.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

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Of course, by "they" you mean all men. Jesus!

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A: Go west, young man, go west!
Q: What do wabbits do when they get tiwed of wunning awound?

[rbowman]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 09:12:51 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 14:22:02 -0800 (Seattle), Relf wrote:
>>
>>> Black culture can be hard to understand, at first, if you're not used
>>> to it.
>>
>> So can an e. coli culture. In the timeless words of Earl Butz, all they
>> want is loose shoes, tight pussy, and a warm place to shit.
>
> Of course, by "they" you mean all men. Jesus!

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2008/02/earl-butz-history-s-
victim.html

Butz decided to lighten the mood with an extremely racist (not to mention
very old) joke. “The only thing the coloreds are looking for in life,”
Butz quipped, “are tight pussy, loose shoes, and a warm place to shit.


At the time I believe 'colored' was the politically correct term as in
NAACP, supplanting 'negro'. Then it became 'Afican-American', followed by
'black'.

[rbowman]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 09:08:43 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> I remember as a kid reading about Pele playing for the NY Cosmos, and
> about the Chicago Sting.
>
> But I didn't get deep into soccer until an "oldies" league at age 35.

That was '75. iirc it soccer was becoming better known rather than some
South American sport. I don't think anyone followed British football any
more than they followed cricket.

I'm not big into organized sports, either playing or watching, but at
least there is more action than American football or the all time insomnia
cure, baseball.

[Relf]

Whites want naked feet, sex/romance (on demand) & a place to sh*t.

[rbowman]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 00:08:14 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

> Well of course enthusiasm isn't everything. But if other elements are
> there, enthusiasm will do wonders. Look at Jews in this country. They
> have a few percent Black in them, and for that, they always show more
> enthusiasm than non-Jews and this launches their plans and take them to
> their goals. Blacks might have greater potential than the Jews. But
> other elements must get there before the time-bomb sets off.

There is enthusiasm and there is ability. I'm not a fan of IQ test but
they do serve as sort of a proxy. Start drawing distribution curves and
Jews have a different profile that seems to correlate with success.

There may be cultural factors but trying to do a multi-variate analysis is
a quick trip to becoming an academic pariah.

The same can be said for Asians. There was an attempt to develop a test
that took into account the black experience. It was embarrassing when the
Asians did better.

Setting aside race entirely, the real question is what do you do with
people who don't have much to offer to the civilization? I don't care if
they're white, black, brown, or green but there is a segment of the
population that isn't ready for the 21st century. How do you structure
things do allow them to live with dignity?

It's inevitable they will be pissed off but what can be done?