Dr. Roy Schestowitz Swats A Snit Horse Fly.
Son Of Snit
The snit circus is in full operation over on
www.techrights.org.Ever since horse fly snit appeared on
the TechBytes webcast he has been whining and
complaining about minor semantic disagreements between
himself and Dr. Schestowitz. So far Dr. Schestowitz has
answered every single one of snit's questions including
but not limited to RMS and his views on consensual sex.
Snit however won't accept a straight answer but instead
goes off on tangents trying to confuse the topic and
cloud the waters. Roy otoh is able to remain focused and
gives direct, concise answers despite snit's idiocy.
There must be a screw loose or maybe too tight in snit's
brain. He really should change his name to nit because
that's what he is. Keep up the good postings Roy and
don't lose your patience with this loser snit.
Hadron
User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.4
lol
whoops! Another fine piece of "advocacy".....
--
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that the noonday sun does the stars. It is not just bigger and brighter;
it simply makes everything else vanish - Neal Stephenson
Son Of Snit
hadro...@gmail.com says...
>
> Son Of Snit <flocks...@umail.org> writes:
>
> > The snit circus is in full operation over on
> > www.techrights.org.Ever since horse fly snit appeared on
> > the TechBytes webcast he has been whining and
> > complaining about minor semantic disagreements between
> > himself and Dr. Schestowitz. So far Dr. Schestowitz has
> > answered every single one of snit's questions including
> > but not limited to RMS and his views on consensual sex.
> > Snit however won't accept a straight answer but instead
> > goes off on tangents trying to confuse the topic and
> > cloud the waters. Roy otoh is able to remain focused and
> > gives direct, concise answers despite snit's idiocy.
> > There must be a screw loose or maybe too tight in snit's
> > brain. He really should change his name to nit because
> > that's what he is. Keep up the good postings Roy and
> > don't lose your patience with this loser snit.
>
> User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.4
>
> lol
>
> whoops! Another fine piece of "advocacy".....
Gravity has been open sourced under the BSD license.
Next time check your facts before making a fool of
yourself. Better yet, remain silent. It's just better
that way for you, quirky.
Snit
11:24 AM:
> Son Of Snit <flocks...@umail.org> writes:
>
>> The snit circus is in full operation over on
>> www.techrights.org.Ever since horse fly snit appeared on
>> the TechBytes webcast he has been whining and
>> complaining about minor semantic disagreements between
>> himself and Dr. Schestowitz. So far Dr. Schestowitz has
>> answered every single one of snit's questions including
>> but not limited to RMS and his views on consensual sex.
>> Snit however won't accept a straight answer but instead
>> goes off on tangents trying to confuse the topic and
>> cloud the waters. Roy otoh is able to remain focused and
>> gives direct, concise answers despite snit's idiocy.
>> There must be a screw loose or maybe too tight in snit's
>> brain. He really should change his name to nit because
>> that's what he is. Keep up the good postings Roy and
>> don't lose your patience with this loser snit.
>
> User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.4
>
> lol
>
> whoops! Another fine piece of "advocacy".....
>
Roy repeatedly runs. Which amuses me.
I look forward to being on the radio show again...
--
🙈🙉🙊
Son Of Snit
use...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
use...@gallopinginsanity.com says...
I wouldn't count on that happening.
I think Dr. Schestowitz has had his fill of your bile.
Just like the rest of us have.
schestowitz I see the COLA trolls has awoken in
#techrights Aug 12 19:58
schestowitz *troll Aug 12 19:58
MinceR
http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/geekandpoke/2009/09/t
he-enlightened-and-the-apple-fan-boy.html Aug 12 19:58
TechrightsSocial Title: Geek And Poke: The Enlightened
And The Apple Fan Boy .::. Size~: 43.4 KB Aug 12 19:58
MinceR schestowitz: the crApple fanboy one? Aug 12
19:58
schestowitz MinceR: God, it's funny! Aug 12 19:59
schestowitz MinceR: worse Aug 12 19:59
schestowitz He collaborates with the Windows trolls
there Aug 12 19:59
schestowitz Very shameless behaviour Aug 12 19:59
schestowitz And the libellous trolls Aug 12 19:59
MinceR unsurprising Aug 12 19:59
schestowitz I don't want him on another episode, it's
Tim who invited him on Aug 12 19:59
MinceR crApple and m$ are allies Aug 12 19:59
MinceR crApple fanboys secretly love m$ Aug 12 19:59
MinceR m$ fanboys secretly love crApple Aug 12 20:00
schestowitz And after the show he kept harassing me Aug
12 20:00
schestowitz Though I ignored him Aug 12 20:00
Clog_-_wog (®)
news:MPG.28b08dc9d...@news.cnntp.org...
> In article <vrbovt6...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> hadro...@gmail.com says...
>>
>> Son Of Snit <flocks...@umail.org> writes:
>>
>> > The snit circus is in full operation over on
>> > www.techrights.org.Ever since horse fly snit appeared on
>> > the TechBytes webcast he has been whining and
>> > complaining about minor semantic disagreements between
>> > himself and Dr. Schestowitz. So far Dr. Schestowitz has
>> > answered every single one of snit's questions including
>> > but not limited to RMS and his views on consensual sex.
>> > Snit however won't accept a straight answer but instead
>> > goes off on tangents trying to confuse the topic and
>> > cloud the waters. Roy otoh is able to remain focused and
>> > gives direct, concise answers despite snit's idiocy.
>> > There must be a screw loose or maybe too tight in snit's
>> > brain. He really should change his name to nit because
>> > that's what he is. Keep up the good postings Roy and
>> > don't lose your patience with this loser snit.
>>
>> User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/3.0.4
>>
>> lol
>>
>> whoops! Another fine piece of "advocacy".....
>
> Gravity has been open sourced under the BSD license.
Huh!
> Next time check your facts before making a fool of
> yourself. Better yet, remain silent. It's just better
> that way for you, quirky.
MicroPlanet Gravity is a full featured *Windows* Usenet online/offline
Usenet news client with an extensive feature list including Rules, Scoring,
and Filters.
Publisher : MicroPlanet
License model : *Freeware*
Language : en
Release date : 9/15/10
File size : 17.93 Kb
Not a bad choice b.t.w.
Clog_-_wog (®)
news:CA6C18A6.A2201%use...@gallopinginsanity.com...
letting you on the show, just try to make an appointment with Roy! lol !
Roy can't stand *any* criticism, don't you know this by now? Just ask Jack
Schofield.
Since Roy was reprimanded by Jack Schofield, his site is littered with rants
against one of the best British technology journalists ever.
[q]
"It looks like Jack Schofield (aka "Microsoft Jack")...
"M icrosoft Jack (Jack Schofield [ 1, 2, 3, 4 ])"
"Microsoft's booster Jack Schofield"
"Microsoft's UK booster Jack Schofield"
[q/]
a.s.o.
http://techrights.org/index.php?s=Jack+Schofield
Hadron
Is Schofield aware that Schestowitz is libelling him?
Snit
1:14 PM:
Well, I have him from his IRC channel saying he would welcome it.
We shall see...
> Since Roy was reprimanded by Jack Schofield, his site is littered with rants
> against one of the best British technology journalists ever.
> [q]
> "It looks like Jack Schofield (aka "Microsoft Jack")...
> "M icrosoft Jack (Jack Schofield [ 1, 2, 3, 4 ])"
> "Microsoft's booster Jack Schofield"
> "Microsoft's UK booster Jack Schofield"
> [q/]
> a.s.o.
> http://techrights.org/index.php?s=Jack+Schofield
Oh, Roy will bad-mouth me after the show. After the first one he called me
a liar:
Roy:
-----
On the show he also said that he had tried KDE. Later it
turned out that he lied because he said he had only judged
it based on videos and/or screenshots.
-----
So I listened to the show and picked out the parts where he and I talked
about KDE (with timecodes for anyone who wants to check):
Snit: 8:47
-----
I don't use KDE that much...
-----
Roy: 9:42
-----
Have you had a chance to use KDE3 before?
-----
Snit: 9:43
-----
I have - I mean I have mostly used Gnome - but I have used
KDE.
-----
Roy: 9:47
-----
What did you find very confusing about it?
-----
Snit: 9:52
-----
Well, in the past I've had screenshots and even some videos
online - I don't know if you've seen some of those...
-----
So Roy got confused and thought the videos and screenshots I referenced were
ones I found - not ones I made to support a point. He also was thinking in
terms of KDE3, which I have used more than KDE4, and then spoke of this
"lie" about KDE4 which I have used less than KDE3.
We all make mistakes - but he then called me a liar over his own
misunderstanding... and has run away every time I have asked him about this.
He will *never* admit to his error in COLA, even though that is where he
made his error. He knows the herd would not like it if he were honest.
And, yes, I plan on asking him about this on the show. Nothing hidden...
but if he is going to call me a liar in public, there is no reason for me to
not ask him about his accusation and show him where his claims are faulty.
--
🙈🙉🙊
Clog_-_wog (®)
news:b1ty9l5...@news.eternal-september.org...
No, he's one of the best British technology journalists ever, I bet he's got
better things to do than follow a madman-stalker-spammer's fabricated
"opinions"!
b.t.w.
Might Linux loons realize that their rants go into thin air?
I bet that big companies like Apple and Microsoft even Google, have never
heard of "COLA", the loons or their bosses Homer and Schestowitz.
Son Of Snit
use...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
use...@gallopinginsanity.com says...
his master Roy for
> > letting you on the show, just try to make an appointment with Roy! lol !
> > Roy can't stand *any* criticism, don't you know this by now? Just ask Jack
> > Schofield.
>
> Well, I have him from his IRC channel saying he would welcome it.
That's not what Dr. Schestowitz says.
This is what Dr. Schestowitz says about you->
Clogwog
> In article <CA6C2F2F.A2220%
> use...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> use...@gallopinginsanity.com says...
>>
>> 1:14 PM:
>> > Dream on Snit, Goobler has gone probably spanked by
> his master Roy for
>> > letting you on the show, just try to make an appointment with Roy! lol
>> > !
>> > Roy can't stand *any* criticism, don't you know this by now? Just ask
>> > Jack
>> > Schofield.
>>
>> Well, I have him from his IRC channel saying he would welcome it.
>
> That's not what Dr. Schestowitz says.
> This is what Dr. Schestowitz says about you->
>
> "schestowitz And the libellous trolls Aug 12 19:59
> MinceR unsurprising Aug 12 19:59
>
> schestowitz I don't want him on another episode, it's
> Tim who invited him on Aug 12 19:59"
Well, I suspected this, Goobler was probably spanked by his master Roy for
letting you on the show!
Where is "Goblin" anyway?, silenced perhaps?
Chris Ahlstrom
> schestowitz And after the show he kept harassing me Aug
So does Flounder.
--
"Remember, Information is not knowledge; Knowledge is not Wisdom;
Wisdom is not truth; Truth is not beauty; Beauty is not love;
Love is not music; Music is the best." -- Frank Zappa
Chris Ahlstrom
>> schestowitz I don't want him on another episode, it's
>> Tim who invited him on Aug 12 19:59"
>
> Well, I suspected this, Goobler was probably spanked by his master Roy for
> letting you on the show!
> Where is "Goblin" anyway?, silenced perhaps?
I'll bet Roy had him killed. Oooo oooo eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. :-D
--
A journalist, thrilled over his dinner, asked the chef for the recipe.
Retorted the chef, "Sorry, we have the same policy as you journalists, we
never reveal our sauce."
animal
"Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote in message
news:j28due$hug$3...@dont-email.me...
> Clogwog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>>> schestowitz I don't want him on another episode, it's
>>> Tim who invited him on Aug 12 19:59"
>>
>> Well, I suspected this, Goobler was probably spanked by his master Roy
>> for
>> letting you on the show!
>> Where is "Goblin" anyway?, silenced perhaps?
>
> I'll bet Roy had him killed. Oooo oooo eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. :-D
SLURP. SLURP.
animal
> Son Of Snit wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> schestowitz And after the show he kept harassing me Aug
>
> So does Flounder.
SLURP. SLURP.
Hadron
> Clogwog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>>> schestowitz I don't want him on another episode, it's
>>> Tim who invited him on Aug 12 19:59"
>>
>> Well, I suspected this, Goobler was probably spanked by his master Roy for
>> letting you on the show!
>> Where is "Goblin" anyway?, silenced perhaps?
>
> I'll bet Roy had him killed. Oooo oooo eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. :-D
Still sucking up and humiliating yourself I see Creepy! LOL! What a
weenie!
William Poaster
> Clogwog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>>> schestowitz I don't want him on another episode, it's
>>> Tim who invited him on Aug 12 19:59"
>>
>> Well, I suspected this, Goobler was probably spanked by his master Roy for
>> letting you on the show!
>> Where is "Goblin" anyway?, silenced perhaps?
>
> I'll bet Roy had him killed. Oooo oooo eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. :-D
LOL!
High Plains Thumper
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>>> schestowitz I don't want him on another episode, it's Tim who
>>>> invited him on Aug 12 19:59"
>>>
>>> Well, I suspected this, Goobler was probably spanked by his
>>> master Roy for letting you on the show! Where is "Goblin"
>>> anyway?, silenced perhaps?
>>
>> I'll bet Roy had him killed. Oooo oooo eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. :-D
>
> LOL!
+2
--
HPT
Goblin
@ All.
Sorry folks, very much alive and unspanked...by Roy or anyone else.
As for Snit appearing on another episode...he is and will be. Snit
asked if he could come on, I agreed, so did Roy. Its on the logs. Are
the questions on who comes on the show really need for a protracted
conversation in COLA?
Must be.
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Son Of Snit
bytes...@googlemail.com says...
>
> On 14/08/11 15:53, William Poaster wrote:
> > On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:05:38 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >
> >> Clogwog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
> >>
> >>>> schestowitz I don't want him on another episode, it's
> >>>> Tim who invited him on Aug 12 19:59"
> >>>
> >>> Well, I suspected this, Goobler was probably spanked by his master Roy for
> >>> letting you on the show!
> >>> Where is "Goblin" anyway?, silenced perhaps?
> >>
> >> I'll bet Roy had him killed. Oooo oooo eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. :-D
> >
> > LOL!
>
> @ All.
>
> Sorry folks, very much alive and unspanked...by Roy or anyone else.
>
> As for Snit appearing on another episode...he is and will be. Snit
> asked if he could come on, I agreed, so did Roy. Its
> on the logs.
Maybe you should check your own logs
I wouldn't count on that happening.
I think Dr. Schestowitz has had his fill of your bile.
Just like the rest of us have.
schestowitz I see the COLA trolls has awoken in
#techrights Aug 12 19:58
schestowitz *troll Aug 12 19:58
MinceR
http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/geekandpoke/2009/09/t
he-enlightened-and-the-apple-fan-boy.html Aug 12 19:58
TechrightsSocial Title: Geek And Poke: The Enlightened
And The Apple Fan Boy .::. Size~: 43.4 KB Aug 12 19:58
MinceR schestowitz: the crApple fanboy one? Aug 12
19:58
schestowitz MinceR: God, it's funny! Aug 12 19:59
schestowitz MinceR: worse Aug 12 19:59
schestowitz He collaborates with the Windows trolls
there Aug 12 19:59
schestowitz Very shameless behaviour Aug 12 19:59
schestowitz And the libellous trolls Aug 12 19:59
MinceR unsurprising Aug 12 19:59
schestowitz I don't want him on another episode, it's
Tim who invited him on Aug 12 19:59
MinceR crApple and m$ are allies Aug 12 19:59
MinceR crApple fanboys secretly love m$ Aug 12 19:59
MinceR m$ fanboys secretly love crApple Aug 12 20:00
schestowitz And after the show he kept harassing me Aug
Snit
> On 14/08/11 15:53, William Poaster wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:05:38 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Clogwog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>>> schestowitz I don't want him on another episode, it's
>>>>> Tim who invited him on Aug 12 19:59"
>>>>
>>>> Well, I suspected this, Goobler was probably spanked by his master Roy for
>>>> letting you on the show!
>>>> Where is "Goblin" anyway?, silenced perhaps?
>>>
>>> I'll bet Roy had him killed. Oooo oooo eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. :-D
>>
>> LOL!
>
> @ All.
>
> Sorry folks, very much alive and unspanked...by Roy or anyone else.
>
> As for Snit appearing on another episode...he is and will be. Snit
> asked if he could come on, I agreed, so did Roy. Its on the logs. Are
> the questions on who comes on the show really need for a protracted
> conversation in COLA?
>
> Must be.
>
>
For the record: even though Roy and I have had some heated debates, and even
some name calling and other "low quality" posts have been exchanged between
us, I respect that fact that he is willing to have me on the show and be
there with me. I look forward to it...
--
🙈🙉🙊
Goblin
> I wouldn't count on that happening.
> I think Dr. Schestowitz has had his fill of your bile.
> Just like the rest of us have.
Really? My bile? I'll bring that up next show. I thought this was about
Snit coming on?
Who knows whats going through your mind, but I distinctly remember
before I disapeared off on other business myself Roy and Michael all had
a conversation in IRC whereby we all agreed to do another show meetup in
September. I believe Snit had commitments in August (if memory serves)...
Tell me Mr "new handle" is this what is considered a discussion point in
COLA now? Now maybe, there has been something happened after that date,
but last time we all spoke together we were all in agreement for
September....
Sorry for having a life outside computing which has taken me away for a
week...
I hope this response fulfills your need for pointless threads.
Snit
PM:
> On 15/08/11 01:22, Son Of Snit wrote:
>> I wouldn't count on that happening.
>> I think Dr. Schestowitz has had his fill of your bile.
>> Just like the rest of us have.
>
> Really? My bile? I'll bring that up next show. I thought this was about
> Snit coming on?
>
> Who knows whats going through your mind, but I distinctly remember
> before I disapeared off on other business myself Roy and Michael all had
> a conversation in IRC whereby we all agreed to do another show meetup in
> September. I believe Snit had commitments in August (if memory serves)...
Yes... classes starting this week and next.
> Tell me Mr "new handle" is this what is considered a discussion point in
> COLA now? Now maybe, there has been something happened after that date,
> but last time we all spoke together we were all in agreement for
> September....
>
> Sorry for having a life outside computing which has taken me away for a
> week...
>
> I hope this response fulfills your need for pointless threads.
--
🙈🙉🙊
Son Of Snit
bytes...@googlemail.com says...
>
> On 15/08/11 01:22, Son Of Snit wrote:
> > I wouldn't count on that happening.
> > I think Dr. Schestowitz has had his fill of your bile.
> > Just like the rest of us have.
>
> Really? My bile? I'll bring that up next show. I thought this was about
> Snit coming on?
Not your bile, Snit's bile.
That was from my original message
> Who knows whats going through your mind, but I distinctly remember
> before I disapeared off on other business myself Roy and Michael all had
> a conversation in IRC whereby we all agreed to do another show meetup in
> September. I believe Snit had commitments in August (if memory serves)...
>
> Tell me Mr "new handle" is this what is considered a discussion point in
> COLA now? Now maybe, there has been something happened after that date,
> but last time we all spoke together we were all in agreement for
> September....
>
> Sorry for having a life outside computing which has taken me away for a
> week...
>
> I hope this response fulfills your need for pointless threads.
You're a complete idiot because I agree with Dr. Roy
Schestowitz and you and circus-de-holay Snit keep
ignoring what he said in irc.
Roy specifically stated that he does not want snit on
the show again.
How much clearer does it have to be?
Here is the original message, with the bile comment
referring to snit.
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/ms
g/8dbe07b0a38d646c?hl=en
And here is Dr. Roy Schestowitz saying he does not want
snit on the show again and blaming you for inviting him.
schestowitz Very shameless behaviour Aug 12
19:59
schestowitz And the libellous trolls Aug 12
19:59
MinceR unsurprising Aug 12 19:59
schestowitz I don't want him on another episode,
it's
Tim who invited him on Aug 12 19:59
I think you may be an even bigger troll than snit is.
You certainly are a bigger idiot.
Goblin
> You're a complete idiot because I agree with Dr. Roy
> Schestowitz and you and circus-de-holay Snit keep
> ignoring what he said in irc.
Im not ignoring anything. I merely pointed out that before I left for 6
days, Snit had asked to come on and Roy and I agreed. Its in the logs.
Whatever has happened in my absence is anyones guess, but Roy and me
both agreed at the time.
You are the idiot for firstly a cheap new handle which is obviously a
COLA poster who wants to hide their identity (probably because they have
claimed to have killfiled snit and dont want to respond until their real
handle) secondly an idiot for not being aware of the original
conversations between myself and Roy...
But thirdly (and probably most importantly) the idiot for carrying on
this silly discussion....Is this what you come to COLA for?
Oh dear.
> I think you may be an even bigger troll than snit is.
> You certainly are a bigger idiot.
lol...Wheres your advocacy? Get a life. Would you like to go on the
show with Roy instead of me next episode and show me how its done.
Lol. How about it Mr "Adovacay" you take my place...with your unique
skills....
My god, If Im the idiot what on earth does that make you.
Sadly, with this type of "advocacy" this now seems the death throes of COLA.
Hadron
> On 15/08/11 02:47, Son Of Snit wrote:
>> You're a complete idiot because I agree with Dr. Roy
>> Schestowitz and you and circus-de-holay Snit keep
>> ignoring what he said in irc.
>
> Im not ignoring anything. I merely pointed out that before I left for 6 days,
> Snit had asked to come on and Roy and I agreed. Its in the logs. Whatever has
> happened in my absence is anyones guess, but Roy and me both agreed at the time.
>
> You are the idiot for firstly a cheap new handle which is obviously a COLA
> poster who wants to hide their identity (probably because they have claimed to
> have killfiled snit and dont want to respond until their real handle) secondly
> an idiot for not being aware of the original conversations between myself and
> Roy...
>
> But thirdly (and probably most importantly) the idiot for carrying on this silly
> discussion....Is this what you come to COLA for?
>
> Oh dear.
>
>> I think you may be an even bigger troll than snit is.
>> You certainly are a bigger idiot.
>
> lol...Wheres your advocacy? Get a life. Would you like to go on the show with
> Roy instead of me next episode and show me how its done.
>
> Lol. How about it Mr "Adovacay" you take my place...with your unique skills....
>
> My god, If Im the idiot what on earth does that make you.
>
> Sadly, with this type of "advocacy" this now seems the death throes of COLA.
It's been like this for years.
Even you must realise that.
It's why many of us are here : to slap down lunatic "advocates" - not to
diss or ruin Linux.
The problems with Android malware is a typical case in point : I
rpedicted it, was correct once more and now the usual suspects are
either out and out lying about it not existing or denying they ever
claimed Android would be impenetratable.
Roy Schestowitz
Hash: SHA1
____/ Goblin on Monday 15 Aug 2011 01:29 : \____
> On 15/08/11 01:22, Son Of Snit wrote:
>> I wouldn't count on that happening.
>> I think Dr. Schestowitz has had his fill of your bile.
>> Just like the rest of us have.
>
> Really? My bile? I'll bring that up next show. I thought this was about
> Snit coming on?
>
> Who knows whats going through your mind, but I distinctly remember
> before I disapeared off on other business myself Roy and Michael all had
> a conversation in IRC whereby we all agreed to do another show meetup in
> September. I believe Snit had commitments in August (if memory serves)...
>
> Tell me Mr "new handle" is this what is considered a discussion point in
> COLA now? Now maybe, there has been something happened after that date,
> but last time we all spoke together we were all in agreement for
> September....
>
> Sorry for having a life outside computing which has taken me away for a
> week...
You've missed all the aggravation Michael has given me and also given other
people in the IRC channels. It was not even argumentative, it was
more akin to trolling at times, even when he knew I was busy
doing something else (like handling downtime or SSL certificates).
> I hope this response fulfills your need for pointless threads.
- --
~~ Best of wishes
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http://Schestowitz.com | GNU/Linux administration | PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E
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____/ Goblin on Monday 15 Aug 2011 10:16 : \____
> On 15/08/11 02:47, Son Of Snit wrote:
>> You're a complete idiot because I agree with Dr. Roy
>> Schestowitz and you and circus-de-holay Snit keep
>> ignoring what he said in irc.
>
>
> Im not ignoring anything. I merely pointed out that before I left for 6
> days, Snit had asked to come on and Roy and I agreed. Its in the logs.
> Whatever has happened in my absence is anyones guess, but Roy and me
> both agreed at the time.
>
> You are the idiot for firstly a cheap new handle which is obviously a
> COLA poster who wants to hide their identity (probably because they have
> claimed to have killfiled snit and dont want to respond until their real
> handle) secondly an idiot for not being aware of the original
> conversations between myself and Roy...
>
> But thirdly (and probably most importantly) the idiot for carrying on
> this silly discussion....Is this what you come to COLA for?
>
> Oh dear.
>
>> I think you may be an even bigger troll than snit is.
>> You certainly are a bigger idiot.
>
> lol...Wheres your advocacy? Get a life. Would you like to go on the
> show with Roy instead of me next episode and show me how its done.
>
> Lol. How about it Mr "Adovacay" you take my place...with your unique
> skills....
>
> My god, If Im the idiot what on earth does that make you.
>
> Sadly, with this type of "advocacy" this now seems the death throes of COLA.
I think you uncharacterise who advocates in COLA actually are. Some provocative new
nyms are trying to cause a rift by pretending to be advocates. This has been done
for ages.
It is more or less clear, based on history, who is an advocates. The advocates --
myself included -- criticise Linux a lot, where it's deserved. It is not
an echo chamber. Some trolls' plea for 'balance' is a plea to allow trolling
and utter lie. It's like the "tolerance" argument some people invoke to cause
self-censorship.
- --
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____/ Chris Ahlstrom on Sunday 14 Aug 2011 13:03 : \____
> Son Of Snit wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> schestowitz And after the show he kept harassing me Aug
>
> So does Flounder.
That one is even worse -- with a history of harassing my colleagues and
employers, spreading libel about me every single day in an attempt
to simply slander and defame based on falsehoods. Not to mention
creepy Internet stalking...
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TomB
8<
> The problems with Android malware is a typical case in point : I
> rpedicted it, was correct once more and now the usual suspects are
> either out and out lying about it not existing or denying they ever
> claimed Android would be impenetratable.
Show me one COLA posting where /anyone/ claims that there's no malware
on Android or that Android would be 'impenetrable'.
--
ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI!
Goblin
> It's been like this for years.
>
> Even you must realise that.
Maybe my largest post ever....
Without excusing the behaviour of those who seek to disrupt, I find
myself saying you make a valid point.
There are of course quite a few people who post here who I hold in high
regard, for fear of starting a thread of silliness by those disgruntled
by not being named, I won't name them at all.
I am not liked, I am not agreed with, but the one thing I do have is the
evidence of my Linux/FOSS advocacy over the years. Nobody can call me
shill for anything.
What disappoints me is that a potential good source of valid discussion
is ruined by those who seek to merely argue non-linux related points and
dwell on incidents that occurred years ago. Thats not Linux.advocacy
thats more irrelevant.bickering.
I still do read COLA (due to the posters who actually do advocate/post
outside of COLA) and I may comment, but what Ive found is COLA is a
complete distraction from the point and its very easy to be caught up in
the infantile world of name calling and petty squabbles.
That being said, COLA is not a meeting place for anything really
related to true advocacy. 2 Weeks on G+ has shown that even on Googles
offering, Ive entered into relevant, topical (and more importantly)
polite conversations actually related to Linux and free software. The
same goes for Diaspora.
As much as I would like to say its the fault of the Microsoft Advocates,
its not. Its on both sides. COLA seems to exist because the two
parties actually like fighting between themselves.
Of course theres obvious tactics on both sides but some of which Ive
observed are the following:
1. Linux advocate claims to killfile, new handle appears in order to
engage said person, Linux advocate is now able to comment on "killfiled"
person because they can now "see" the conversation.
2. Microsoft advocate repeats a distorted claim ad infinitum.
3. Microsoft advocate claims to have used Linux/FOSS and Failed.
4. Linux advocate claims to used Windows and failed.
5. Both groups bring up incidents which occurred years ago, repeat,
rinse, post.
These are the rules that the group seems to use as a whole and I think
everyone is guilty, all the while precious little advocacy goes on.
I would love to see what would happen if all Microsoft Advocacy and
anti-linux/foss sentiment left the NG for a few weeks. I would guess
the NG would die. It thrives on conflict - which is a point Ive made
before. If the flame war didn't exist what would COLA say? Its
certainly not a good source of up to date Linux/FOSS news because there
are plenty of sites for that. Its certainly not a place for civilized
conversation in the main and to its shame G+ even manages that.
My praise of COLA is now limited to the few genuine, honest and
intelligent people who post their Linux advocacy here. As for the rest,
well I'd guess when COLA goes they will merely disappear...they've made
no mark at all outside of this NG.
I would guess this post would attract a few "new handles" to make
comment. Especially from those who claim to have killfiled me but as
Ive said before, I don't follow the herd, I have my own opinions and to
hell with everyone, if they agree fine, if they don't no problem at all.
I am not a member of a club and I don't blindly follow people because
they happen to use the same software as me. Thats just childish,
infantile and certainly not advocacy of any kind.
> The problems with Android malware is a typical case in point
Does it matter? Why does anyone get hung up on this? Android is damn
popular and rightfully so. No matter how secure it is, people can
always be tricked into installing code which is malicious...the cause?
Average user apathy to dangers and ignorance.
If people are to attack Android security issues then thats probably an
argument to get rid of Windows since its seen its fair share.
And no matter who is "right", its shouting in the wind. The mainstream
user just does not care. The mainstream user (and the user whose
purchase decides the future of any product) have no interest in the
issues we discuss, they just want a product and at the moment that is
overwhelmingly Android. Try talking about the "evils" of proprietary to
an average user.....they are uninterested. Try warning the average user
about security issues.....they don't care until it effects them directly.
Now to paste in a quote from my co-host Roy (in this thread):
> I think you uncharacterise who advocates in COLA actually are. Some provocative new
> nyms are trying to cause a rift by pretending to be advocates. This has been done
> for ages.
>
> It is more or less clear, based on history, who is an advocates. The advocates --
> myself included -- criticise Linux a lot, where it's deserved. It is not
> an echo chamber. Some trolls' plea for 'balance' is a plea to allow trolling
> and utter lie. It's like the "tolerance" argument some people invoke to cause
> self-censorship.
And as I say, Ive seen more linux/FOSS advocacy on G+ and Diaspora in 2
weeks then Ive seen in COLA over the last year. To me an advocate is
not a COLA poster who has bickered for years, advocacy is about getting
out there and actually introducing people to Linux/FOSS, not bickering
in the world of Usenet with its limited audience of people who already
know about Linux/FOSS. Advocacy is about writing, introducing, praising
decent software. Advocacy is not merely spending all your time engaging
those Microsoft Advocates in name calling or bringing up incidents which
few people remember and even less know about from years ago.
As I said before, this doesn't apply to everyone, but unfortunately the
overwhelming majority are merely here for the fighting.
Anyway, I expect this reply is off-topic for COLA and everyone wants to
get back to name calling so I will end it there. I would like to say we
could debate this in future TB eps, unfortunately for the majority of
listeners I don't think they'd even have an interest in COLA and
therefore it would be a waste of time.
William Poaster
Don't hold your breath. That trolling Hadron f#ckwit rarely backs any of
his "claims" up.
--
Surely you are not comparing the
non-existent Linux (at that time)
with Windows 98?
Hadron: Message-ID: <npk5rvz...@homelinux.net>
Peter Köhlmann
> On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:22:43 +0200, TomB wrote:
>
>> On 2011-08-15, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>
>> 8<
>>
>>> The problems with Android malware is a typical case in point : I
>>> rpedicted it, was correct once more and now the usual suspects are
>>> either out and out lying about it not existing or denying they ever
>>> claimed Android would be impenetratable.
>>
>> Show me one COLA posting where /anyone/ claims that there's no malware
>> on Android or that Android would be 'impenetrable'.
>
> Don't hold your breath. That trolling Hadron f#ckwit rarely backs any of
> his "claims" up.
>
And if he does, the link he provides usually doesn't say what he is claiming
it does
Goblin
> You've missed all the aggravation Michael has given me and also given other
> people in the IRC channels. It was not even argumentative, it was
> more akin to trolling at times, even when he knew I was busy
> doing something else (like handling downtime or SSL certificates).
Thats fair enough, but at the time, Michael asked to come on, I said yes
and so did you. The "invite" was not from me but as a result of a
request by Michael which we both agreed on.
I was not privy to anything after that.
Son Of Snit
bytes...@googlemail.com says...
>
> On 15/08/11 02:47, Son Of Snit wrote:
> > You're a complete idiot because I agree with Dr. Roy
> > Schestowitz and you and circus-de-holay Snit keep
> > ignoring what he said in irc.
>
>
> Im not ignoring anything. I merely pointed out that before I left for 6
> days, Snit had asked to come on and Roy and I agreed. Its in the logs.
> Whatever has happened in my absence is anyones guess, but Roy and me
> both agreed at the time.
Well he doesn't agree now and he's right.
You are wrong to even deal with a troll like that.
> You are the idiot for firstly a cheap new handle which
is obviously a
> COLA poster who wants to hide their identity (probably because they have
> claimed to have killfiled snit and dont want to respond until their real
> handle) secondly an idiot for not being aware of the original
> conversations between myself and Roy...
And what's your identity "Tim Goblin" ?
At least Dr. Roy Schestowwitz has the courage to put his
real name behind what he says.
> But thirdly (and probably most importantly) the idiot for carrying on
> this silly discussion....Is this what you come to COLA for?
That Snit is a troll?
That's not a silly discussion, it's a fact.
Something you don't seem to have too many of "Goblin".
> Oh dear.
Are you female?
You write like you are.
> lol...Wheres your advocacy? Get a life. Would you
like to go on the
> show with Roy instead of me next episode and show me how its done.
I don't advocate anything, I merely point out when
idiots like you make a major error by allowing a
prolific troll like snit to pollute what is otherwise a
legitimate cause.
> Lol. How about it Mr "Adovacay" you take my place...with your unique
> skills....
You make all the errors and now it's about me.
How typical.
Go ahead move the snit circus to another medium.
It will destroy the credibility of you and Dr.
Schestowitz show and all the work he has put into it and
his websites building up Linux. Many people know and
follow Roy. Who even knows who you are "Goblin"? You
don't even use your own name. Probably because you are
weak in your convictions.
Snit
> On 15/08/11 11:10, Hadron wrote:
>> It's been like this for years.
>>
>> Even you must realise that.
>
> Maybe my largest post ever....
>
> Without excusing the behaviour of those who seek to disrupt, I find
> myself saying you make a valid point.
>
> There are of course quite a few people who post here who I hold in high
> regard, for fear of starting a thread of silliness by those disgruntled
> by not being named, I won't name them at all.
>
> I am not liked, I am not agreed with, but the one thing I do have is the
> evidence of my Linux/FOSS advocacy over the years. Nobody can call me
> shill for anything.
Well, perhaps not honestly. I am called a Windows shill and a Mac shill and
many other things... but not honestly. I am sure you can and will be called
those things as well if you keep posting here.
> What disappoints me is that a potential good source of valid discussion
> is ruined by those who seek to merely argue non-linux related points and
> dwell on incidents that occurred years ago. Thats not Linux.advocacy
> thats more irrelevant.bickering.
>
> I still do read COLA (due to the posters who actually do advocate/post
> outside of COLA) and I may comment, but what Ive found is COLA is a
> complete distraction from the point and its very easy to be caught up in
> the infantile world of name calling and petty squabbles.
You are a quality poster - someone who is knowledgeable and honest. So is
An Old Friend. He has completely left... and you are largely out.
This, I think, is the goal of many in COLA - they do not want honest and
knowledgeable posters here. The more honest you are, the more they attack.
I do not blame such folks for leaving... and clearly I am one of the ones
most under attack, but I stay because the psychology of it intrigues me.
> That being said, COLA is not a meeting place for anything really
> related to true advocacy. 2 Weeks on G+ has shown that even on Googles
> offering, Ive entered into relevant, topical (and more importantly)
> polite conversations actually related to Linux and free software. The
> same goes for Diaspora.
I have not tried Diaspora. Perhaps I shall.
One strength - and weakness - of the G+ conversations is you have better
control of who is a part of the conversation. This means that you tend not
to have folks just there to disrupt, but you also might lose out on some
contrary views.
> As much as I would like to say its the fault of the Microsoft Advocates,
> its not. Its on both sides. COLA seems to exist because the two
> parties actually like fighting between themselves.
>
> Of course theres obvious tactics on both sides but some of which Ive
> observed are the following:
>
> 1. Linux advocate claims to killfile, new handle appears in order to
> engage said person, Linux advocate is now able to comment on "killfiled"
> person because they can now "see" the conversation.
>
> 2. Microsoft advocate repeats a distorted claim ad infinitum.
>
> 3. Microsoft advocate claims to have used Linux/FOSS and Failed.
>
> 4. Linux advocate claims to used Windows and failed.
>
> 5. Both groups bring up incidents which occurred years ago, repeat,
> rinse, post.
>
> These are the rules that the group seems to use as a whole and I think
> everyone is guilty, all the while precious little advocacy goes on.
I see this as well... though the "advocates" not only KF those who post
clearly silly claims but those who post claims not in support of the status
quo of Linux (or, in my case, desktop Linux).
> I would love to see what would happen if all Microsoft Advocacy and
> anti-linux/foss sentiment left the NG for a few weeks. I would guess
> the NG would die. It thrives on conflict - which is a point Ive made
> before. If the flame war didn't exist what would COLA say? Its
> certainly not a good source of up to date Linux/FOSS news because there
> are plenty of sites for that. Its certainly not a place for civilized
> conversation in the main and to its shame G+ even manages that.
I would love to see folks on both sides work to make honest points they can
support... and, when they make mistakes, to be willing to admit to them.
And when they do not know something, admit to that as well. Eliminate name
calling and insults - though if someone is doing something wrong and you can
back it then, given the environment, it does sometimes make sense to call it
out.
> My praise of COLA is now limited to the few genuine, honest and
> intelligent people who post their Linux advocacy here. As for the rest,
> well I'd guess when COLA goes they will merely disappear...they've made
> no mark at all outside of this NG.
>
> I would guess this post would attract a few "new handles" to make
> comment. Especially from those who claim to have killfiled me but as
> Ive said before, I don't follow the herd, I have my own opinions and to
> hell with everyone, if they agree fine, if they don't no problem at all.
You referenced the herd. While it clearly is a big part of COLA, those who
are members of the herd (or cowed by it) will claim you have posted a
horrible lie or insult or whatever. Never mind that nobody really doubts
that the "advocates" often act as a herd, accepting each others insults and
accusations without question (etc.).
> I am not a member of a club and I don't blindly follow people because
> they happen to use the same software as me. Thats just childish,
> infantile and certainly not advocacy of any kind.
And will lead to many in COLA not liking you. I also post to CSMS where
there are what I sometimes call "coalitions"... but the level of group-think
there is not as extreme as it is in COLA. It really is amazing. Mac users
are often accused of being cult-ish, but I have never seen anything as
extreme as what I see with the Linux "advocates" in COLA. To be clear, it
is cult-ish in many ways but, I do not think, a real "cult".
>> The problems with Android malware is a typical case in point
>
> Does it matter? Why does anyone get hung up on this? Android is damn
> popular and rightfully so. No matter how secure it is, people can
> always be tricked into installing code which is malicious...the cause?
> Average user apathy to dangers and ignorance.
>
> If people are to attack Android security issues then thats probably an
> argument to get rid of Windows since its seen its fair share.
>
> And no matter who is "right", its shouting in the wind. The mainstream
> user just does not care. The mainstream user (and the user whose
> purchase decides the future of any product) have no interest in the
> issues we discuss, they just want a product and at the moment that is
> overwhelmingly Android. Try talking about the "evils" of proprietary to
> an average user.....they are uninterested. Try warning the average user
> about security issues.....they don't care until it effects them directly.
I speak of the malware on Android *not* to say Android is a bad platform.
It is not and I have made it very clear that I think it is great there is
another popular and, from what I know of it, largely well made platform for
mobile devices. This means Apple (with iOS) has real competition and that
is a *good* thing for everyone. I do not think Android has - yet - really
hurt Apple; their sales keep shooting up each quarter.
I do note, however, that many in COLA blame MS for all malware on Windows...
yet then excuse Linux / Android for the malware on that platform. Both
platforms have malware - and, really, those are the only two OSs where
malware is a significant concern.
> Now to paste in a quote from my co-host Roy (in this thread):
>
>> I think you uncharacterise who advocates in COLA actually are. Some
>> provocative new nyms are trying to cause a rift by pretending to be
>> advocates. This has been done for ages.
>>
>> It is more or less clear, based on history, who is an advocates. The
>> advocates -- myself included -- criticise Linux a lot, where it's deserved.
>> It is not an echo chamber. Some trolls' plea for 'balance' is a plea to allow
>> trolling and utter lie. It's like the "tolerance" argument some people invoke
>> to cause self-censorship.
>
> And as I say, Ive seen more linux/FOSS advocacy on G+ and Diaspora in 2
> weeks then Ive seen in COLA over the last year. To me an advocate is
> not a COLA poster who has bickered for years, advocacy is about getting
> out there and actually introducing people to Linux/FOSS, not bickering
> in the world of Usenet with its limited audience of people who already
> know about Linux/FOSS.
Based on that definition I am likely more of a Linux advocate than most of
the "advocates". And, frankly, I think that is the case.
> Advocacy is about writing, introducing, praising decent software. Advocacy is
> not merely spending all your time engaging those Microsoft Advocates in name
> calling or bringing up incidents which few people remember and even less know
> about from years ago.
I agree - but I would also include honestly looking at the weaknesses of
your platform and discussing ways around those weaknesses and ways in which
those weaknesses can be overcome as a form of advocacy. When I introduce
desktop Linux to people I sometimes do so without comment (such as in
schools where, from the perspective of students, it is just there)... but I
never try to oversell it. Same thing when I move people to other OSs. They
each have their pros and cons.
> As I said before, this doesn't apply to everyone, but unfortunately the
> overwhelming majority are merely here for the fighting.
I certainly get caught up in the fighting... but would prefer a higher level
of discourse. I wish that those who spew insults and accusations would stop
- but barring that, would at least show any sign of believing the claims
they spew. The reality is there is no reason to think they do believe the
claims they make... they make accusations and insults to purposely kill
conversation and put people on the defensive.
> Anyway, I expect this reply is off-topic for COLA and everyone wants to
> get back to name calling so I will end it there. I would like to say we
> could debate this in future TB eps, unfortunately for the majority of
> listeners I don't think they'd even have an interest in COLA and
> therefore it would be a waste of time.
I do not plan on speaking much about COLA, but I do plan on asking Roy about
some of his views and his public accusation of dishonesty toward me (the
accusation was based on my last appearance). But mostly I just enjoyed
being on the show and got to understand Roy's views better - and, hopefully,
he got to understand mine better, too. And, I hope, it was enlightening and
thought provoking for the listeners: if the show is not interesting to
people then there is no reason for the show. :)
--
🙈🙉🙊
Goblin
> Well he doesn't agree now and he's right.
> You are wrong to even deal with a troll like that.
Thanks for highlighting how we should do things. I personally like to
allow people freedom of speech with the ability for others to make their
own minds up about. I see petty squables about non Linux/FOSS subjects
which have been festering for years as being pretty irrelevant.
Arguably by having people on, we are able to better hear their views.
There is no place for personal disagreements in Linux advocacy in my
view just peoples opinions on the subjects at hand, if you disagree with
them fine and thats the benefit of having a verbal discussion. The only
"rule" would be politeness and no vulgarity. Both which I think anyone
who listened originally would agree Micheal respected on the show,
regardless of whats thought of him or his views.
> And what's your identity "Tim Goblin" ?
> At least Dr. Roy Schestowwitz has the courage to put his
> real name behind what he says.
Well, I have three years of work on Openbytes and one handle. I could
tell you my name was Tim Smith, how would we know if thats right. I
have an online ID. I have a point of contact and a source of work, if I
say or do anything I can be held to account...I'm present on Diaspora,
G+, IRC, Twitter, Identi.ca. I am held responsible for my words. You,
Mr "new handle" are not and Ive no doubt that you are an alleged Linux
user from COLA merely using a nym. I don't do that.
> That Snit is a troll?
> That's not a silly discussion, it's a fact.
> Something you don't seem to have too many of "Goblin".
Let me repeat and remind you. Whatever Snit is or isn't this is
Linux.advocacy not petty.bickering. Since when does that have anything
to do with Linux/FOSS advocacy? Ive three years of it and many people
Ive introduced to Linux and free software. Thats advocacy. Not
fighting with someone you think a troll in a NG which is read by a
limited audience by people who have already their own views on what Snit
is or isnt.
> Are you female?
> You write like you are.
Last time I checked, no. But in order to humor your lack of anything
constructive in Linux advocacy, I'll answer.
> I don't advocate anything, I merely point out when
> idiots like you make a major error by allowing a
> prolific troll like snit to pollute what is otherwise a
> legitimate cause.
And it seems, that even if that were true, you are the only one banging
on about it. Michaels interview was a while ago, its done. And tell
me, outside of COLA for the average TB listener, what harm did Michaels
appearance actually do? Maybe you could tell us.
> You make all the errors and now it's about me.
> How typical.
Well its me who has his work linked on Groklaw, Tuxmachines, FSFdaily
and Lloydslaw (amongst many other. Its you with a "new" nym on COLA
with nothing else to show. I wonder who really is making the errors
here? Ive also got a years worth of work in an audiocast. Since this
newsgroup is Linux.advocacy, I think the pertinent question here is,
wheres yours?
> Who even knows who you are "Goblin"? You
> don't even use your own name. Probably because you are
> weak in your convictions.
And so this "cause" you speak of, you know want to damage yourself. I
am weak in my convictions about inferior Microsoft products? I am weak
in my convictions about Linux? I'm weak in my convictions when Ive
deployed Linux to 50+ people and documented that on the TB show?
Good god, get yourself an argument or better yet actually advocate
Linux/FOSS instead of this silliness.
And to end, who am I? Nobody. I don't advocate Linux as some part of a
popularity contest, whats wrong with you? I advocate Linux/FOSS because
its better software. Only a child would think this some sort of
popularity game.
As I say, my name may be wrong, but my web presence is set in stone and
I am responsible for my words.
Snit
3:23 AM:
>> lol...Wheres your advocacy? Get a life. Would you like to go on the
>> show with Roy instead of me next episode and show me how its done.
>>
>> Lol. How about it Mr "Adovacay" you take my place...with your unique
>> skills....
>>
>> My god, If Im the idiot what on earth does that make you.
>>
>> Sadly, with this type of "advocacy" this now seems the death throes of COLA.
>
> I think you uncharacterise who advocates in COLA actually are. Some
> provocative new
> nyms are trying to cause a rift by pretending to be advocates. This has been
> done
> for ages.
>
> It is more or less clear, based on history, who is an advocates. The advocates
> --
> myself included -- criticise Linux a lot, where it's deserved. It is not
> an echo chamber. Some trolls' plea for 'balance' is a plea to allow trolling
> and utter lie. It's like the "tolerance" argument some people invoke to cause
> self-censorship.
There may be some disagreement, but there is also massive agreement and
irrational loathing of anyone who questions the status quo of (at least)
desktop Linux. For example, one myth of the COLA "advocates" is that the
low uptake of desktop Linux is exclusively (or very nearly so) based on
external factors - it is the fault of MS and the OEMs and the developers
and... well, anything but inherent weaknesses in the desktop Linux
ecosystem.
I do not accept this and have been speaking for years about some of the
weaknesses that *need* to be addressed in order for desktop Linux to gain
any significant ground. I have talked mostly of UI issues, for that is what
I know (I do not, for example, speak much of back-end protocols nor APIs).
And I have offered solutions for how things can improve and predictions that
these things will happen. I have quoted Shuttleworth and other influential
people in the OSS world showing how they largely agree, and you, Roy (and
others), have posted evidence that much of what I have predicted is
happening. You did this recently with your discussion of the greater
cooperation between the KDE and Gnome teams.
Reasonable responses to my comments would include agreement, questions,
disagreement (with reasons and support, hopefully), etc.: but instead we see
HPT and Peter K. accusing me of forging videos and images which support my
claims (though neither of them ever show evidence of this), RonB making
absurd claims about me being "anti-choice", Peter K. making up stories about
my family, you accusing me of knowing KDE only based on screenshots and
videos, Chris A. claiming I think all software is useless unless it is like
Mac or Windows software, etc. Just utter BS insults and accusations
designed to distract from the topic of Linux... and to put me on the
defensive. The "advocates" shun honest discussion of Linux, at least when
it is not in praise of the status quo. And it is a shame.
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Snit
AM:
What I have been showing is how Windows or MS is blamed where there is
malware on that platform but Android and Linux are excused when there is
malware there.
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Goblin
I think you are flogging a dead horse. This is about Conflict,
Oppression & Libelous Attacks - That sadly to me is what I see COLA
standing for and with the exception of a minority of posters I hold
dear, the advocacy now seems out the window (no pun intended).
Its why these new nyms appear by COLA posters who don't want to display
their traditional handles. Of course it should be added that the
Microsoft Advocates are at it as well and its all part of the eccosystem
which keeps the wibbly wobbly world of COLA alive. The group thrives on it.
Snit
3:19 AM:
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>> On 15/08/11 01:22, Son Of Snit wrote:
>>> I wouldn't count on that happening.
>>> I think Dr. Schestowitz has had his fill of your bile.
>>> Just like the rest of us have.
>>
>> Really? My bile? I'll bring that up next show. I thought this was about
>> Snit coming on?
>>
>> Who knows whats going through your mind, but I distinctly remember
>> before I disapeared off on other business myself Roy and Michael all had
>> a conversation in IRC whereby we all agreed to do another show meetup in
>> September. I believe Snit had commitments in August (if memory serves)...
>>
>> Tell me Mr "new handle" is this what is considered a discussion point in
>> COLA now? Now maybe, there has been something happened after that date,
>> but last time we all spoke together we were all in agreement for
>> September....
>>
>> Sorry for having a life outside computing which has taken me away for a
>> week...
>
> You've missed all the aggravation Michael has given me and also given other
> people in the IRC channels. It was not even argumentative, it was
> more akin to trolling at times, even when he knew I was busy
> doing something else (like handling downtime or SSL certificates).
If you find it aggravating, as you claim, to be asked to actually support
your public accusations then I suggest you stop making public accusations
you cannot support. Or at least admit to your error. To be clear, you
said, after my appearance on your show:
Roy: in COLA
-----
On the show he also said that he had tried KDE. Later it
turned out that he lied because he said he had only judged
it based on videos and/or screenshots.
-----
So I listened to the show to see where you got this idea. I noted every
time I commented on KDE. Here are my quotes (with your comments for context
where needed) and even the time codes so you and others can verify:
Snit: 8:47
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I don't use KDE that much...
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Roy: 9:42
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Have you had a chance to use KDE3 before?
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Snit: 9:43
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I have - I mean I have mostly used Gnome - but I have used
KDE.
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Roy: 9:47
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What did you find very confusing about it?
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Snit: 9:52
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Well, in the past I've had screenshots and even some videos
online - I don't know if you've seen some of those...
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I *made* the media to support my views... I did not base my views on the
media. Your accusation is simply wrong.
When faced with this you try to change the topic to anything else - you will
not admit you made an error to publicly accuse me of lying based on your own
misunderstanding.
And my noting this, you say, is a form of me giving you "aggravation".
Sorry - I have no sympathy for you... if you do not want to be called on
your false accusations then please do not make them. And if you do make an
accusation you honestly believe is true, when it is shown to be false (as in
this case) please do the right thing and acknowledge you were wrong.
And please note I am very open and honest: I could have withheld this
evidence of your error and just sprung it on you during the next show - but
I do not think that is right.
>> I hope this response fulfills your need for pointless threads.
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Son Of Snit
bytes...@googlemail.com says...
> And it seems, that even if that were true, you are the
> only one banging
> on about it. Michaels interview was a while ago, its
> done. And tell
> me, outside of COLA for the average TB listener, what
> harm did Michaels
> appearance actually do? Maybe you could tell us.
How soon you forget the dicing and slicing you got in
cola after his appearance. We Linux users drilled you a
new one, kill filed you and so forth, so no "Tim" I am
not the only person here who thinks snit is a troll and
that you are lowering your standards by encouraging him.
You really like to make things up out of thin air don't
you? I'm putting you into the bozo bin now because you
are a time wasting babbling idiot. Maybe that's why you
and snit get on so well because he seems to have the
same compulsiveness you do.