Peter Köhlmann, The IT Oracle.

[Hadron]

Got a Question about IT or FOSS in general? Ask Peter! You'll know
you're one little step closer to knowing the correct answer after he has
given you the 100% incorrect one. Here is his current FAQ:-

,----
| For the record, I did note that in general Peter is clueless about tech...
| and have offered many examples. *None* of them involve Darktable:
|
| ---------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Snit:
| -----
| Excellent screencasting software, similar to ScreenFlow. And
| example of something I find key to its use:
| <http://youtu.be/To4v70huwAU>. What OSS tool on desktop Linux
| has anything even close?
| -----
| Peter Köhlmann:
| -----
| There are several more. Look up "Istanbul" for example or
| "Byzanz", or "Cankiri" The list can grow quite a bit, but
| these are the most used ones
| -----
| None of the three programs Peter pointed to do the task shown in the
| video... and Peter was never able to find *any* way to do such a task on
| desktop Linux. He never admitted to this, of course.
|
| ---------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Peter Köhlmann
| -----
| > When you launch it, the splash screen says 'gimp'
| Nope.
| ------
| <http://www.gimp.org/about/splash/stable.html>
|
| ---------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Peter Köhlmann:
| -----
| The apps with "Quit" do *not* exit, they continue to run
| in the background
| -----
| Had he known how to use "top" he would know he was wrong:
| <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/top.mov>>
|
| ---------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Peter Köhlmann, in reference to <http://goo.gl/IjlkV>:
| -----
| You both show just *again* your incredible cluelessness. That is
| *standard* X behaviour, you cretins. That Snot Michael Glasser
| knows *nothing* about that is normal, he is the worst "IT teacher"
| of all time. He knows nothing usefull about computing.
| -----
|
| ---------------------------------------------------------------
|
| In reference to: <http://goo.gl/gBV6G> / <http://goo.gl/nysWd>
| Peter Köhlmann:
| -----
| > What's to understand? I can't read, write, copy or
| > delete a root-owned folder... but I can rename it.
| Actually, no, you can't
| And stop lying. I have tested it.
| -----
| You have to tamper with the permissions to have it different. And
| for that reason DFS claims are simply bullshit.
| -----
| I can't duplicate the "problem" on any machine here.
| -----
| Since "Lost+found" is not created with the sticky bit at all, it
| should not exhibit the behaviour DFS claims. And I can do whatever
| I want with it on my systems (on all of them), it certainly does
| not behave in any way near that way claimed
| -----
|
| ---------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Peter Köhlmann, speaking of HTML5:
| -----
| And browsers on desktop computers have little, if any, need to
| adhere to such a "standard" which has no real reason to exist
| except to support the idiotic iDevices
| -----
|
| ---------------------------------------------------------------
|
| <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4683>
| -----
| Clicking OK will restart the volume, even if no settings were
| changed. Changing this setting does not require the volume to
| be reinitialized; data is preserved.
| -----
| Peter Köhlmann:
| -----
| So You call having to reformat a drive in order to have that
| feature "choice"? Really?
| -----
| Peter never admitted to his error on this. Thus, because a volume has to be
| "restarted", Peter thinks (or presents himself as thinking) this means it
| has to be reformatted, even though it is specifically stated that the volume
| does not have to be reinitialized and that data is preserved.
|
| ---------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Peter Köhlmann, in reference to the term "DHCP network", which
| is used by Oracle, the University of Illinois, DATAQ, Netgear,
| Cisco, and other such groups, <http://goo.gl/HKRw4>:
| -----
| No, it is technically bullshit. Nobody wanting to be taken
| seriously as being competent would *ever* use such an idiotic
| description.
| -----
|
| So, to Peter, *none* of those groups should be seen as being competent when
| it comes to networking. None of them. LOL!
|
| ---------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Snit, titling a thread where he made a mistake:
| -----
| Skype done.... *I* screwed up
| -----
| Peter Köhlman, referencing the same mistake:
| -----
| Snot Glasser will claim the most idiotic bullshit to wiggle out
| of the fact that he screwed up again
| -----
|
| ---------------------------------------------------------------
`----


--
A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to pretend to be a Linux
user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0), User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
(Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>

[TomB]

On 2012-08-31, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:

8<

>| Peter Köhlmann, in reference to <http://goo.gl/IjlkV>:
>| -----
>| You both show just *again* your incredible cluelessness. That is
>| *standard* X behaviour, you cretins.

This was about the X clipboard getting cleared on exiting a program,
and that *is* standard X behaviour, no matter how much you guys whine
about it.

Sad that you don't seem to know this...

>| In reference to: <http://goo.gl/gBV6G> / <http://goo.gl/nysWd>
>| Peter Köhlmann:
>| -----
>| > What's to understand? I can't read, write, copy or
>| > delete a root-owned folder... but I can rename it.

But not a word on DFS' ignorance, right? Not a word on how the
permissions on a directory apply to the contents of that directory and
not on the directory itself?

Sad that you don't seem to know this...

>| Peter Köhlmann, in reference to the term "DHCP network", which
>| is used by Oracle, the University of Illinois, DATAQ, Netgear,
>| Cisco, and other such groups, <http://goo.gl/HKRw4>:
>| -----
>| No, it is technically bullshit. Nobody wanting to be taken
>| seriously as being competent would *ever* use such an idiotic
>| description.
>| -----

Regardless of who uses it, I agree it's a bullshit term. Hell, it was
/me/ who coined the idea. So sue me for not complying to the ongoing
decline of technical accuracy, even in reference texts of network
equimpent specialists.

If you want to be a follower, by my guest; I rather make up my own
mind.

--
There is a 20% chance of tomorrow.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:

You left out this bit of "Hadronic" bone-headed-ness:

A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to pretend
to be a Linux user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0), User-Agent:
slrn/0.9.8.0
(Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>

LOL

Not to mention that "Hadron" apparently *still* thinks that
dereferencing a null pointer is AGAINST C standards, and NEVER possible
in real code. In spite of being shown that code that does so
explicitly nonetheless compiles, and being shown links to standards
documentation and Linux kernel development.

Being ignorant of a fact is one thing.

Persisting in one's ignorance of a fact even after being shown the error
of one's ignorance is quite another thing.

What do they call it? Stupid? Unteachable? Asinine?

--
Anyone who thinks UNIX is intuitive should be forced to write 5000 lines of
code using nothing but vi or emacs. AAAAACK!
-- A sig that "Hadron" has used.

[TomB]

On 2012-09-01, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:

What's the story behind that sig anyway? I totally missed it.

> Not to mention that "Hadron" apparently *still* thinks that
> dereferencing a null pointer is AGAINST C standards, and NEVER
> possible in real code. In spite of being shown that code that does
> so explicitly nonetheless compiles, and being shown links to
> standards documentation and Linux kernel development.

Not my area of expertise, but I think I /did/ see him writing that
dereferencing a NULL pointer is "illegal" while clearly compilers make
no point of it. Which begs the question: are there valid reasons to
dereference a NULL pointer? Don't overdo you response, because you're
talking to a non-programmer here ;-) (just some notions of C).

> Being ignorant of a fact is one thing.
>
> Persisting in one's ignorance of a fact even after being shown the
> error of one's ignorance is quite another thing.
>
> What do they call it? Stupid? Unteachable? Asinine?

--

There are three infallible ways of pleasing an author, and the three
form a rising scale of compliment: 1, to tell him you have read one of
his books; 2, to tell him you have read all of his books; 3, to ask
him to let you read the manuscript of his forthcoming book. No. 1
admits you to his respect; No. 2 admits you to his admiration; No. 3
carries you clear into his heart.
-- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"

[Foster]

On Sat, 1 Sep 2012 13:18:51 +0200, TomB wrote:

> On 2012-09-01, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>> On 2012-08-31, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>>
>>> 8<
>>>

>>>>| Peter K�hlmann, in reference to <http://goo.gl/IjlkV>:

>>>>| -----
>>>>| You both show just *again* your incredible cluelessness. That is
>>>>| *standard* X behaviour, you cretins.
>>>
>>> This was about the X clipboard getting cleared on exiting a
>>> program, and that *is* standard X behaviour, no matter how much you
>>> guys whine about it.
>>>
>>> Sad that you don't seem to know this...
>>>
>>>>| In reference to: <http://goo.gl/gBV6G> / <http://goo.gl/nysWd>

>>>>| Peter K�hlmann:

>>>>| -----
>>>>| > What's to understand? I can't read, write, copy or
>>>>| > delete a root-owned folder... but I can rename it.
>>>
>>> But not a word on DFS' ignorance, right? Not a word on how the
>>> permissions on a directory apply to the contents of that directory
>>> and not on the directory itself?
>>>
>>> Sad that you don't seem to know this...
>>>

>>>>| Peter K�hlmann, in reference to the term "DHCP network", which

>>>>| is used by Oracle, the University of Illinois, DATAQ, Netgear,
>>>>| Cisco, and other such groups, <http://goo.gl/HKRw4>:
>>>>| -----
>>>>| No, it is technically bullshit. Nobody wanting to be taken
>>>>| seriously as being competent would *ever* use such an idiotic
>>>>| description.
>>>>| -----
>>>
>>> Regardless of who uses it, I agree it's a bullshit term. Hell, it
>>> was /me/ who coined the idea. So sue me for not complying to the
>>> ongoing decline of technical accuracy, even in reference texts of
>>> network equimpent specialists.
>>>
>>> If you want to be a follower, by my guest; I rather make up my own
>>> mind.
>>
>> You left out this bit of "Hadronic" bone-headed-ness:
>>
>> A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to
>> pretend to be a Linux user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0),
>> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
>> (Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>
>>
>> LOL
>
> What's the story behind that sig anyway? I totally missed it.

Ahlstrom added an X Header to his headers showing he was posting
from slrn so he could look like "one of the gang".

Unfortunately the idiot didn't realize that his additional
User-Agent header gets ADDED to the headers and does not REPLACE the
default which is the header that really identifies what news client
he was using, which was a Windows client.

He got caught being the weenie that he really is.

--
Chris Ahlstrom's Favorite Picture

Another Linux Distribution Being Born.
I believe this one might be Ubuntu.

http://a1.img.mobypicture.com/fda0c94220e52a1782f34931f0d3e0d7_view.jpg

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2012-09-01, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>

>>> If you want to be a follower, by my guest; I rather make up my own
>>> mind.
>>
>> You left out this bit of "Hadronic" bone-headed-ness:
>>
>> A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to
>> pretend to be a Linux user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0),
>> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
>> (Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>
>>
>> LOL
>
> What's the story behind that sig anyway? I totally missed it.

"Hadron" is trying to turn my attempt (ages ago) to see what slrn and
ISP would do if I added a fake User-Agent. The fake was Outlook, but
"Hadron" wants to pretend that the fake entry was the slrn one.

>> Not to mention that "Hadron" apparently *still* thinks that
>> dereferencing a null pointer is AGAINST C standards, and NEVER
>> possible in real code. In spite of being shown that code that does
>> so explicitly nonetheless compiles, and being shown links to
>> standards documentation and Linux kernel development.
>
> Not my area of expertise, but I think I /did/ see him writing that
> dereferencing a NULL pointer is "illegal" while clearly compilers make
> no point of it. Which begs the question: are there valid reasons to
> dereference a NULL pointer? Don't overdo you response, because you're
> talking to a non-programmer here ;-) (just some notions of C).

You can set your Linux box to accept null pointers.

https://blogs.oracle.com/ksplice/entry/much_ado_about_null_an1

If you've ever programmed in C, you've probably run into a NULL
pointer dereference at some point. But almost certainly, all it did
was crash your program with the dreaded "Segmentation Fault".
Annoying, and often painful to debug, but nothing more than a crash.
So how is it that this simple programming error becomes so dangerous
when it happens in the kernel? Inspired by all the fuss, this post
will explore a little bit of how memory works behind the scenes on
your computer.

And, what "Hadron" just can't seem to grok:

By the end of today's installment, we'll understand how to write a C
program that reads and writes to a NULL pointer without crashing.

--
Some of the most interesting documents from Sweden's middle ages are the
old county laws (well, we never had counties but it's the nearest equivalent
I can find for "landskap"). These laws were written down sometime in the
13th century, but date back even down into Viking times. The oldest one is
the Vastgota law which clearly has pagan influences, thinly covered with some
Christian stuff. In this law, we find a page about "lekare", which is the
Old Norse word for a performing artist, actor/jester/musician etc. Here is
an approximate translation, where I have written "artist" as equivalent of
"lekare".
"If an artist is beaten, none shall pay fines for it. If an artist
is wounded, one such who goes with hurdie-gurdie or travels with
fiddle or drum, then the people shall take a wild heifer and bring
it out on the hillside. Then they shall shave off all hair from the
heifer's tail, and grease the tail. Then the artist shall be given
newly greased shoes. Then he shall take hold of the heifer's tail,
and a man shall strike it with a sharp whip. If he can hold her, he
shall have the animal. If he cannot hold her, he shall endure what
he received, shame and wounds."

[TomB]

On 2012-09-01, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>> On 2012-09-01, the following emerged from the brain of Chris
>> Ahlstrom:
>>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>>
>>>> If you want to be a follower, by my guest; I rather make up my
>>>> own mind.
>>>
>>> You left out this bit of "Hadronic" bone-headed-ness:
>>>
>>> A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to
>>> pretend to be a Linux user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0),
>>> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
>>> (Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>
>>>
>>> LOL
>>
>> What's the story behind that sig anyway? I totally missed it.
>
> "Hadron" is trying to turn my attempt (ages ago) to see what slrn
> and ISP would do if I added a fake User-Agent. The fake was
> Outlook, but "Hadron" wants to pretend that the fake entry was the
> slrn one.

Omg, is this how low the troll is willing to sink these days, just to
discredit a GNU/Linux advocate? How this guy isn't ashamed of himself
is beyond me...

Thanks for the info. I'll check it out later.

--
You will have a long and boring life.

[Foster]

On Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:15:28 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2012-09-01, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
>>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>>
>>>> If you want to be a follower, by my guest; I rather make up my own
>>>> mind.
>>>
>>> You left out this bit of "Hadronic" bone-headed-ness:
>>>
>>> A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to
>>> pretend to be a Linux user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0),
>>> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
>>> (Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>
>>>
>>> LOL
>>
>> What's the story behind that sig anyway? I totally missed it.
>
> "Hadron" is trying to turn my attempt (ages ago) to see what slrn and
> ISP would do if I added a fake User-Agent. The fake was Outlook, but
> "Hadron" wants to pretend that the fake entry was the slrn one.

Nice try.
But seeing as it's not a single post, but many, many posts, your
story is not believable at all.

Add in the fact that you were "experimenting" with faking your
headers, your words, shows your motives.

[Hadron]

Foster <frankf...@yahoo.com> writes:

> On Sat, 1 Sep 2012 13:18:51 +0200, TomB wrote:
>
>> On 2012-09-01, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
>>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>> On 2012-08-31, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>>>
>>>> 8<
>>>>

>>>>>| Peter Köhlmann, in reference to <http://goo.gl/IjlkV>:

>>>>>| -----
>>>>>| You both show just *again* your incredible cluelessness. That is
>>>>>| *standard* X behaviour, you cretins.
>>>>
>>>> This was about the X clipboard getting cleared on exiting a
>>>> program, and that *is* standard X behaviour, no matter how much you
>>>> guys whine about it.
>>>>
>>>> Sad that you don't seem to know this...
>>>>
>>>>>| In reference to: <http://goo.gl/gBV6G> / <http://goo.gl/nysWd>

>>>>>| Peter Köhlmann:

>>>>>| -----
>>>>>| > What's to understand? I can't read, write, copy or
>>>>>| > delete a root-owned folder... but I can rename it.
>>>>
>>>> But not a word on DFS' ignorance, right? Not a word on how the
>>>> permissions on a directory apply to the contents of that directory
>>>> and not on the directory itself?
>>>>
>>>> Sad that you don't seem to know this...
>>>>

>>>>>| Peter Köhlmann, in reference to the term "DHCP network", which

Hilarious. Poor Creepy.


--

[Snit]

On 8/31/12 9:42 PM, in article 201209010...@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"

<tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2012-08-31, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>
> 8<
>

>> | Peter K�hlmann, in reference to <http://goo.gl/IjlkV>:

>> | -----
>> | You both show just *again* your incredible cluelessness. That is
>> | *standard* X behaviour, you cretins.
>
> This was about the X clipboard getting cleared on exiting a program,
> and that *is* standard X behaviour, no matter how much you guys whine
> about it.
>
> Sad that you don't seem to know this...

No, this was about the video which showed *inconsistent* behavior. That
*inconsistent* behavior is not "standard" behavior for X.

>> | In reference to: <http://goo.gl/gBV6G> / <http://goo.gl/nysWd>

>> | Peter K�hlmann:

>> | -----
>> | > What's to understand? I can't read, write, copy or
>> | > delete a root-owned folder... but I can rename it.

>> | Actually, no, you can't
>> | And stop lying. I have tested it.
>> -----
>

> But not a word on DFS' ignorance, right? Not a word on how the
> permissions on a directory apply to the contents of that directory and
> not on the directory itself?
>
> Sad that you don't seem to know this...

The topic is Peter's ignorant claims - why focus on someone else in the
middle of that. If you think DFS is wrong then discuss it elsewhere. I
know Peter repeatedly accuses me of being as incompetent as I have shown him
to be - and I keep welcoming him to show quotes from me that would back his
accusations. He fails *every* time. He cannot find any such quotes. Now
there are quotes where I make mistakes, even in terms of things I perhaps
should have known differently... but when shown to be wrong I admit to it.
These are all things Peter has never, to my knowledge, even admitted to
understanding why he is wrong.

Also, please note that Linux treated the folder differently in the GUI and
the command line - the very thing you and I were chastising OS X for in
terms of handling NTFS drives - except this is using a very common file
system for Linux, not a "third party" one.

>> | Peter K�hlmann, in reference to the term "DHCP network", which

>> | is used by Oracle, the University of Illinois, DATAQ, Netgear,
>> | Cisco, and other such groups, <http://goo.gl/HKRw4>:
>> | -----
>> | No, it is technically bullshit. Nobody wanting to be taken
>> | seriously as being competent would *ever* use such an idiotic
>> | description.
>> | -----
>
> Regardless of who uses it, I agree it's a bullshit term. Hell, it was
> /me/ who coined the idea. So sue me for not complying to the ongoing
> decline of technical accuracy, even in reference texts of network
> equimpent specialists.
>
> If you want to be a follower, by my guest; I rather make up my own
> mind.

It is irrelevant if you think the idea is "bullshit": the idea that "nobody
wanting to be taken seriously as being competent would *ever* use" the term
is *clearly* not true. Look at the list of organizations that use the term!
Are you saying none of them should be taken seriously in this area of
technology?

In any case, interesting to watch you do all you can to defend Peter
K�hlmann - in a list of nine examples of him just being flat out absurd in
his claims about technology you hand picked 1/3 of them and worked to defend
him... but even then ignored the actual issues.

1) <http://goo.gl/IjlkV> shows inconsistent behavior - not "standard" X
behavior. Peter was flat out wrong to claim otherwise.

2) <http://goo.gl/gBV6G> and <http://goo.gl/nysWd> show folders being
handled in ways Peter claims cannot be... he even went so far as to make up
stories about me faking the proof! As a bonus on that one, it shows Linux
doing much the same thing we both agreed was poorly done in OS X, but with a
"native" file system and not one from MS.

3) Peter claimed nobody competent would use the term "DHCP network" even
though it is a common term used by some of the best networking specialists
in the world.

And you snipped out 6 of his idiotic claims: anything to defend your herd,
eh?


--
Questions about the Skype call between cc, Onion Knight, and myself:
1) Why did cc have no recollection of the "outliers" files I showed him?
2) Why did cc have no recollection of the standard deviation video?
3) Why can't cc provide the Excel file he gave his word he would share?

[Snit]

On 9/1/12 4:18 AM, in article 201209011...@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"

<tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Not to mention that "Hadron" apparently *still* thinks that
>> dereferencing a null pointer is AGAINST C standards, and NEVER
>> possible in real code. In spite of being shown that code that does
>> so explicitly nonetheless compiles, and being shown links to
>> standards documentation and Linux kernel development.
>
> Not my area of expertise, but I think I /did/ see him writing that
> dereferencing a NULL pointer is "illegal" while clearly compilers make
> no point of it. Which begs the question: are there valid reasons to
> dereference a NULL pointer? Don't overdo you response, because you're
> talking to a non-programmer here ;-) (just some notions of C).

I am not a programmer, but doing a few moments of Googling on dereferencing
a null pointer:

<https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Null-pointer_dereference>
-----
A null-pointer dereference takes place when a pointer with a
value of NULL is used as though it pointed to a valid memory
area.

Availability: Null-pointer dereferences invariably result in
the failure of the process.

Null-pointer dereferences, while common, can generally be
found and corrected in a simply way. They will always result
in the crash of the process - unless exception handling (on
some platforms) in invoked, and even then, little can be done
to salvage the process.

Before using a pointer, ensure that it is not equal to NULL:
-----

<http://goo.gl/P8YKW>
-----
Because a null pointer does not point to a meaningful object,
an attempt to dereference a null pointer usually causes a
run-time error:

In C, the behavior of dereferencing a null pointer is
undefined.[12] Many implementations cause such code to result
in the program being halted with a segmentation fault,
because the null pointer representation is chosen to be an
address that is never allocated by the system for storing
objects. However, this behavior is not universal.
-----

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmentation_fault>
-----
A few causes of a segmentation fault can be summarized as
follows:
* dereferencing NULL pointers,
-----

<https://www.securecoding.cert.org/confluence/x/PAw>
-----
EXP34-C. Do not dereference null pointers

Attempting to dereference a null pointer results in undefined
behavior, typically abnormal program termination.
...
To correct this error, ensure the pointer returned by
malloc() is not null. This also ensures compliance with
MEM32-C. Detect and handle memory allocation errors.
-----

I think it is safe to say that you should not dereference null pointers. It
is *bad* coding.

I do know some very good programmers working at major corporations - folks
who have worked there for years and have high level programming positions.
If I think of it I might ask them next time I speak to them.

[Nobody]

On 9/1/2012 12:05 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 9/1/12 4:18 AM, in article 201209011...@usenet.drumscum.be, "TomB"
> <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Not to mention that "Hadron" apparently *still* thinks that
>>> dereferencing a null pointer is AGAINST C standards, and NEVER
>>> possible in real code. In spite of being shown that code that does
>>> so explicitly nonetheless compiles, and being shown links to
>>> standards documentation and Linux kernel development.
>>
>> Not my area of expertise, but I think I /did/ see him writing that
>> dereferencing a NULL pointer is "illegal" while clearly compilers make
>> no point of it. Which begs the question: are there valid reasons to
>> dereference a NULL pointer? Don't overdo you response, because you're
>> talking to a non-programmer here ;-) (just some notions of C).
>

> [Damn it, Jim] I am not a programmer...

...I am a troll...

[Ezekiel]

"TomB" <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:201209011...@usenet.drumscum.be...

> On 2012-09-01, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>> On 2012-08-31, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>>
>

>> Not to mention that "Hadron" apparently *still* thinks that
>> dereferencing a null pointer is AGAINST C standards, and NEVER
>> possible in real code. In spite of being shown that code that does
>> so explicitly nonetheless compiles, and being shown links to
>> standards documentation and Linux kernel development.
>
> Not my area of expertise, but I think I /did/ see him writing that
> dereferencing a NULL pointer is "illegal" while clearly compilers make
> no point of it. Which begs the question: are there valid reasons to
> dereference a NULL pointer? Don't overdo you response, because you're
> talking to a non-programmer here ;-) (just some notions of C).
>

It's not "illegal" in the sense that the police aren't going to come over to
your house and arrest you for dereferencing a NULL pointer. The correct
technical term is that dereferencing a NULL pointer is "undefined." Although
in common-talk whether it's "illegal" or "undefined" doesn't matter - it's
wrong and a bug in nearly 100% of the cases.

The "undefined" behavior stems from the fact that the C/C++ standards don't
define what should/will happen when a NULL pointer is dereferenced. On
platforms with direct memory mapping (DOS) there's no check made and your
app could access memory location 0x00000000 all day long without crashing.
On modern OS's the operating system will send a SIGSEGV to the process and
the default handler will cause the process to exit.

The bottom line is that accessing NULL (or any memory location that's not
mapped to the address space of your process) will result in an exception
(SEGV). If your app registered an exception handler then the handler will be
called. In many cases you can put a try{}/catch{} block around a NULL
pointer dereference to "catch" the exception that gets thrown.

But the bottom line is that if a C/C++ app is dereferencing a NULL pointer
then something is wrong with the app or the system. You can have additional
code to catch/handle the error but it's still an error - you're just
handling it to prevent from crashing immediately. In kernel mode it's
slightly different in that the code won't necessarily crash but even in
kernel mode it's very, very rare for code to need to reference memory
location 0x00000000 so it's still most likely a bug.

[Hadron]

Bingo. As for Creepy denying he supported Peter's code - well, you know
Creepy.

I have pointed out that SOME implementions MIGHT provides this catch. I
have never seen ANY desktop implementation do this.

It is illegal in ANY definition of the term in the context of this C
code snippet in 99.999999999999999% of instances.


--

[owl]

Foster <frankf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Sep 2012 13:18:51 +0200, TomB wrote:

> > On 2012-09-01, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:

> >>

> >> You left out this bit of "Hadronic" bone-headed-ness:
> >>
> >> A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to
> >> pretend to be a Linux user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0),
> >> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
> >> (Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>
> >>
> >> LOL
> >
> > What's the story behind that sig anyway? I totally missed it.

> Ahlstrom added an X Header to his headers showing he was posting
> from slrn so he could look like "one of the gang".

> Unfortunately the idiot didn't realize that his additional
> User-Agent header gets ADDED to the headers and does not REPLACE the
> default which is the header that really identifies what news client
> he was using, which was a Windows client.

> He got caught being the weenie that he really is.

This is a test post from a Windows box where I attempt to forge my
User-Agent.

[Sinister Midget]

On 2012-09-02, owl <o...@rooftop.invalid> claimed:

Is Flatso talking bout the X headers? I hope so, because those are all
manually added. Showing FosterMosheFlatfishGary has no idea what
s/h/it's talking about.

As usual.

--
I used to spell badlie, but now I got worser.
Dell Inspiron 530, Snowlinux 3 Crystal
Friends don't let friends use Windows

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, owl belched this bit o' wisdom:

Looks like Flounder is just as dumb as "Hadron".

I wonder what those two morons would make of the sigs on all the other
posts I have made over the years?

--
The only thing you prove time and time and time again is that you're an
idiot.
How IS that GPL 3 distro you promised us coming along?
-- "Hadron" <gnzkndl...@news.eternal-september.org>

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Sinister Midget belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2012-09-02, owl <o...@rooftop.invalid> claimed:
>> Foster <frankf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> >> A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to
>>> >> pretend to be a Linux user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0),
>>> >> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
>>> >> (Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>
>>

>>> Ahlstrom added an X Header to his headers showing he was posting
>>> from slrn so he could look like "one of the gang".
>>

>> This is a test post from a Windows box where I attempt to forge my
>> User-Agent.
>
> Is Flatso talking bout the X headers? I hope so, because those are all
> manually added. Showing FosterMosheFlatfishGary has no idea what
> s/h/it's talking about.
>
> As usual.

My current Usenet provider won't even allow duplicate User-Agent
strings.

--
As I said before : almost certainly ANYONE with a LOTR nym is a sad fat arse
living in his Mom's basement that believes that people give a shit about his
view.
-- "Hadron" <i08vtj$q1l$3...@news.eternal-september.org>

[owl]

Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote:
> After swilling some grog, Sinister Midget belched this bit o' wisdom:

> > On 2012-09-02, owl <o...@rooftop.invalid> claimed:
> >> Foster <frankf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> >> A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to
> >>> >> pretend to be a Linux user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0),
> >>> >> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
> >>> >> (Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>
> >>
> >>> Ahlstrom added an X Header to his headers showing he was posting
> >>> from slrn so he could look like "one of the gang".
> >>
> >> This is a test post from a Windows box where I attempt to forge my
> >> User-Agent.
> >
> > Is Flatso talking bout the X headers? I hope so, because those are all
> > manually added. Showing FosterMosheFlatfishGary has no idea what
> > s/h/it's talking about.
> >
> > As usual.

> My current Usenet provider won't even allow duplicate User-Agent
> strings.

You need a more flexible client.

[Foster]

Read the thread duhhhh.

Add them IS the point.

[Foster]

On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 08:17:28 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After swilling some grog, owl belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Foster <frankf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 1 Sep 2012 13:18:51 +0200, TomB wrote:
>>
>>> > On 2012-09-01, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
>>
>>> >>
>>> >> You left out this bit of "Hadronic" bone-headed-ness:
>>> >>
>>> >> A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to
>>> >> pretend to be a Linux user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0),
>>> >> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
>>> >> (Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>
>>> >>
>>> >> LOL
>>> >
>>> > What's the story behind that sig anyway? I totally missed it.
>>
>>> Ahlstrom added an X Header to his headers showing he was posting
>>> from slrn so he could look like "one of the gang".
>>
>>> Unfortunately the idiot didn't realize that his additional
>>> User-Agent header gets ADDED to the headers and does not REPLACE the
>>> default which is the header that really identifies what news client
>>> he was using, which was a Windows client.
>>
>>> He got caught being the weenie that he really is.
>>
>> This is a test post from a Windows box where I attempt to forge my
>> User-Agent.
>
> Looks like Flounder is just as dumb as "Hadron".
>
> I wonder what those two morons would make of the sigs on all the other
> posts I have made over the years?

Why do you lash out Ahlstrom?

You got caught.
And then you tried to lie your way out of it and you got caught
again.

Having a bad day Chris Ahlstrom?
Bwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaa!

[owl]

The point is you appear to think they can't be replaced.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, owl belched this bit o' wisdom:

slrn is plenty flexible.

What part of "Article Rejected: 441 Duplicate User Agent: header"
don't you understand?

--
After the last of 16 mounting screws has been removed from an access
cover, it will be discovered that the wrong access cover has been removed.

[owl]

Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote:
> After swilling some grog, owl belched this bit o' wisdom:

> > Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote:
> >> After swilling some grog, Sinister Midget belched this bit o' wisdom:
> >
> >> > On 2012-09-02, owl <o...@rooftop.invalid> claimed:
> >> >> Foster <frankf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>> >> A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to
> >> >>> >> pretend to be a Linux user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0),
> >> >>> >> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
> >> >>> >> (Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Ahlstrom added an X Header to his headers showing he was posting
> >> >>> from slrn so he could look like "one of the gang".
> >> >>
> >> >> This is a test post from a Windows box where I attempt to forge my
> >> >> User-Agent.
> >> >
> >> > Is Flatso talking bout the X headers? I hope so, because those are all
> >> > manually added. Showing FosterMosheFlatfishGary has no idea what
> >> > s/h/it's talking about.
> >> >
> >> > As usual.
> >
> >> My current Usenet provider won't even allow duplicate User-Agent
> >> strings.
> >
> > You need a more flexible client.

> slrn is plenty flexible.

> What part of "Article Rejected: 441 Duplicate User Agent: header"
> don't you understand?

If slrn does not force the User-Agent header (being as flexible as
it is?), then I don't understand why you would have a duplicate header.

[Sinister Midget]

Or that they're trying to hide somethign. Or that they're trying to
pretend something.

--
I refuse a battle of wits with an unarmed person!

[Foster]

On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 09:58:22 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:


> slrn is plenty flexible.
>
> What part of "Article Rejected: 441 Duplicate User Agent: header"
> don't you understand?

You need to learn how to properly forge your headers Ahlstrom.
Maybe Wendy Toiletwater can help you out?

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[Foster]

Huh?

1. Idiot Ahlstrom thought he could replace his User-Agent header to
read slrn instead of Outlook.
The idiot tried using an X header without realizing those headers
are additional, not replacements so he ended up with two User-agent
fields.

What a dork.

He needs a good lesson in header forging so he can spoof his
User-Agent since it appears so important to his acceptance in COLA
to be running slrn.

Haha!

Funny stuff.

[Hadron]

No dickhead. The point is that Creepy Chris thought they WOULD be
replaced and they were not. He looked like a real moron once again.

--

[Foster]

Exactly.

I think Owl has been eating worms from Yucca Flats.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, owl belched this bit o' wisdom:

> Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote:
>> After swilling some grog, owl belched this bit o' wisdom:
>

>> > You need a more flexible client.
>
>> slrn is plenty flexible.
>
>> What part of "Article Rejected: 441 Duplicate User Agent: header"
>> don't you understand?
>
> If slrn does not force the User-Agent header (being as flexible as
> it is?), then I don't understand why you would have a duplicate header.

Because, a few years ago, my news-service provider was my old ISP,
Comcast.

But why are you conversing with me? "Hadron" (below) thinks I am
nothing more than a liar and fraud. :-D

--
And I have corrected him about Debian issues. I think he is a liar and a
fraud. He is worse than Porter at snipping and even in the face of over
whelming evidence he still sings the company line. He's nothing more than a
yippy little lap dog who fawns and yips at Roy's feet in the hope of being
flipped another doggy drop. Liarnut will say *anything* to defend his
heroes even at the risk of making himself look a complete fool. His more
recent rants about large hard drives being "ill advised" because people will
"lose things on it" really takes the biscuit.
-- "Hadron". Copied from Google Groups.

[Snit]

On 9/2/12 11:51 AM, in article k209pq$6se$2...@dont-email.me, "Chris Ahlstrom"

<ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote:

> After swilling some grog, owl belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote:
>>> After swilling some grog, owl belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>>> You need a more flexible client.
>>
>>> slrn is plenty flexible.
>>
>>> What part of "Article Rejected: 441 Duplicate User Agent: header"
>>> don't you understand?
>>
>> If slrn does not force the User-Agent header (being as flexible as
>> it is?), then I don't understand why you would have a duplicate header.
>
> Because, a few years ago, my news-service provider was my old ISP,
> Comcast.

According to Comcast, they dropped their Usenet service at least in part due
to a very small number of users who were abusing the system. A shame. Then
again, most ISPs have dropped Usenet, so they may very well have done so
anyway.

> But why are you conversing with me? "Hadron" (below) thinks I am
> nothing more than a liar and fraud. :-D



--

[Nobody]

> Or that they're trying to hide something. Or that they're trying to
> pretend something.

All of Chris' posts I looked at say User-Agent: slrn/pre1.0.0-18 (Linux).

WTF are they talking about?

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Nobody belched this bit o' wisdom:

It was something I played with years ago.

--
I have used. And I dont sing the star bangled banner for ALL OSS
SW. Once again you jump in without context trying to show off. FAIL
Ahlstrom. Again.
-- "Hadron" <iiehv0$v21$1...@news.eternal-september.org>

[owl]

Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote:
> After swilling some grog, owl belched this bit o' wisdom:

> > Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote:
> >> After swilling some grog, owl belched this bit o' wisdom:
> >
> >> > You need a more flexible client.
> >
> >> slrn is plenty flexible.
> >
> >> What part of "Article Rejected: 441 Duplicate User Agent: header"
> >> don't you understand?
> >
> > If slrn does not force the User-Agent header (being as flexible as
> > it is?), then I don't understand why you would have a duplicate header.

> Because, a few years ago, my news-service provider was my old ISP,
> Comcast.

I'm trying to ascertain whether your client allows you to replace
User-Agent. News server is not really relevant other than bouncing
on duplicates. My client gives flexibility of sending no User-Agent,
custom User-Agent, multiple User-Agent, etc. This server also does
not bounce on duplicate User-Agent.

> But why are you conversing with me? "Hadron" (below) thinks I am
> nothing more than a liar and fraud. :-D

I would not worry what CERN's toner monkey thinks.

[owl]

How do you know which one was manually added?

[Nobody]

On 9/1/2012 8:43 AM, Foster wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:15:28 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:

>>
>>> On 2012-09-01, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:

>>>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to be a follower, by my guest; I rather make up my own
>>>>> mind.

>>>>
>>>> You left out this bit of "Hadronic" bone-headed-ness:
>>>>
>>>> A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to
>>>> pretend to be a Linux user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0),
>>>> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
>>>> (Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>
>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>>
>>> What's the story behind that sig anyway? I totally missed it.
>>

>> "Hadron" is trying to turn my attempt (ages ago) to see what slrn and
>> ISP would do if I added a fake User-Agent. The fake was Outlook, but
>> "Hadron" wants to pretend that the fake entry was the slrn one.
>
> Nice try.
> But seeing as it's not a single post, but many, many posts, your
> story is not believable at all.
>
> Add in the fact that you were "experimenting" with faking your
> headers, your words, shows your motives.

You being against Chris is enough reason for me to believe him.

[Snit]

On 9/2/12 2:58 PM, in article k20kr4$cs7$5...@news.albasani.net, "Nobody"

<inv...@invalid.com> wrote:

> You being against Chris is enough reason for me to believe him.

So how is that plea for herd membership going for you?

[Nobody]

On 9/2/2012 5:11 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 9/2/12 2:58 PM, in article k20kr4$cs7$5...@news.albasani.net, "Nobody"
> <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> You being against Chris is enough reason for me to believe him.
>
> So how is that plea for herd membership going for you?

So far both the Mac and Windows herds reject me.

The Snit herd only allows for a membership of one, if socks are not
included.

[Snit]

On 9/2/12 3:20 PM, in article k20m2s$gbc$2...@news.albasani.net, "Nobody"

Ah, your plea for membership is not going well. In any case, the topic you
are running from:

------
Here is how easy it is on OS X:

<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/OSX_add_printer.mov>

To be fair, I did already have the printer added before so it
did not need to download drivers. Had it been the first time
there would have been a dialog asking if I wanted the drivers
and I would have to click a button and then wait a minute or
so for that to complete.

Once done, of course, not only is the printer set up, but so
is the scanner, etc.

<http://youtu.be/CvaOs8uy3lQ>

That does not show the need to have the "Import From Scanner"
option hit twice - the first time you needed to have it
search for a moment in Lion. In Mountain Lion, though, that
is not the case - now you just see this in the File menu:

<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/MountainLionScan.png>

No need to jump through hoops of any sort.
-----

Poor "Nobody"... he cannot stand how easy the competition makes this!

[Nobody]

On 9/2/2012 5:29 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 9/2/12 3:20 PM, in article k20m2s$gbc$2...@news.albasani.net, "Nobody"
> <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/2/2012 5:11 PM, Snit wrote:
>>> On 9/2/12 2:58 PM, in article k20kr4$cs7$5...@news.albasani.net, "Nobody"
>>> <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You being against Chris is enough reason for me to believe him.
>>>
>>> So how is that plea for herd membership going for you?
>>
>> So far both the Mac and Windows herds reject me.
>>
>> The Snit herd only allows for a membership of one, if socks are not
>> included.
>>
> Ah, your plea for membership is not going well.

Right, I can't get into the Mac, Windows, or Snit herds.

> In any case, the topic you
> are running from:
>
> ------
> Here is how easy it is on OS X:

Spend thousands of dollars to buy Macs to replace all of your PCs.

Minimum of $1200 per PC replaced. $2500 minimum for tower PCs. $1500
to $5000 for actually usable specs.

No professional server Mac available. Spend tens of thousands for
multiple Mac Mini "servers."

[Big Steel]

On 9/2/2012 6:29 PM, Snit wrote:

>
> Poor "Nobody"... he cannot stand how easy the competition makes this!
>
>

The Flying-Squirrel Nobody doesn't run it takes a flying-leap and flies
out of its rat-hole.

[Snit]

On 9/2/12 3:38 PM, in article k20n5a$i92$2...@news.albasani.net, "Nobody"

<inv...@invalid.com> wrote:

> On 9/2/2012 5:29 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On 9/2/12 3:20 PM, in article k20m2s$gbc$2...@news.albasani.net, "Nobody"
>> <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/2/2012 5:11 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>> On 9/2/12 2:58 PM, in article k20kr4$cs7$5...@news.albasani.net, "Nobody"
>>>> <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You being against Chris is enough reason for me to believe him.
>>>>
>>>> So how is that plea for herd membership going for you?
>>>
>>> So far both the Mac and Windows herds reject me.
>>>
>>> The Snit herd only allows for a membership of one, if socks are not
>>> included.
>>>
>> Ah, your plea for membership is not going well.
>
> Right, I can't get into the Mac, Windows, or Snit herds.
>
>> In any case, the topic you
>> are running from:
>>
>> ------
>> Here is how easy it is on OS X:
>
> Spend thousands of dollars to buy Macs to replace all of your PCs.

Never had to do so. But good try to run from the facts:

------
Here is how easy it is on OS X:

<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/OSX_add_printer.mov>

To be fair, I did already have the printer added before so it
did not need to download drivers. Had it been the first time
there would have been a dialog asking if I wanted the drivers
and I would have to click a button and then wait a minute or
so for that to complete.

Once done, of course, not only is the printer set up, but so
is the scanner, etc.

<http://youtu.be/CvaOs8uy3lQ>

That does not show the need to have the "Import From Scanner"
option hit twice - the first time you needed to have it
search for a moment in Lion. In Mountain Lion, though, that
is not the case - now you just see this in the File menu:

<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/MountainLionScan.png>

No need to jump through hoops of any sort.
-----

> Minimum of $1200 per PC replaced. $2500 minimum for tower PCs. $1500
> to $5000 for actually usable specs.

Nope. But good try to run from the facts:

------
Here is how easy it is on OS X:

<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/OSX_add_printer.mov>

To be fair, I did already have the printer added before so it
did not need to download drivers. Had it been the first time
there would have been a dialog asking if I wanted the drivers
and I would have to click a button and then wait a minute or
so for that to complete.

Once done, of course, not only is the printer set up, but so
is the scanner, etc.

<http://youtu.be/CvaOs8uy3lQ>

That does not show the need to have the "Import From Scanner"
option hit twice - the first time you needed to have it
search for a moment in Lion. In Mountain Lion, though, that
is not the case - now you just see this in the File menu:

<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/MountainLionScan.png>

No need to jump through hoops of any sort.
-----

> No professional server Mac available. Spend tens of thousands for
> multiple Mac Mini "servers."

So use servers from some other company if you do not want to use a Mac
solution. Who cares? But good try to run from the facts:

------
Here is how easy it is on OS X:

<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/OSX_add_printer.mov>

To be fair, I did already have the printer added before so it
did not need to download drivers. Had it been the first time
there would have been a dialog asking if I wanted the drivers
and I would have to click a button and then wait a minute or
so for that to complete.

Once done, of course, not only is the printer set up, but so
is the scanner, etc.

<http://youtu.be/CvaOs8uy3lQ>

That does not show the need to have the "Import From Scanner"
option hit twice - the first time you needed to have it
search for a moment in Lion. In Mountain Lion, though, that
is not the case - now you just see this in the File menu:

<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/MountainLionScan.png>

No need to jump through hoops of any sort.
-----

[Nobody]

On 9/2/2012 5:42 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 9/2/12 3:38 PM, in article k20n5a$i92$2...@news.albasani.net, "Nobody"
> <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/2/2012 5:29 PM, Snit wrote:
>>> On 9/2/12 3:20 PM, in article k20m2s$gbc$2...@news.albasani.net, "Nobody"
>>> <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/2/2012 5:11 PM, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On 9/2/12 2:58 PM, in article k20kr4$cs7$5...@news.albasani.net, "Nobody"
>>>>> <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You being against Chris is enough reason for me to believe him.
>>>>>
>>>>> So how is that plea for herd membership going for you?
>>>>
>>>> So far both the Mac and Windows herds reject me.
>>>>
>>>> The Snit herd only allows for a membership of one, if socks are not
>>>> included.
>>>>
>>> Ah, your plea for membership is not going well.
>>
>> Right, I can't get into the Mac, Windows, or Snit herds.
>>
>>> In any case, the topic you
>>> are running from:
>>>
>>> ------
>>> Here is how easy it is on OS X:
>>
>> Spend thousands of dollars to buy Macs to replace all of your PCs.
>
> Never had to do so.

The OP and all the Linux users you're trying to convince OS X is better
would have to.

> But good try to run from the facts:
>
> ------
> Here is how easy it is on OS X:

Spend thousands of dollars to buy Macs to replace all of your PCs.

Minimum of $1200 per PC replaced. $2500 minimum for tower PCs. $1500
to $5000 for actually usable specs.

[Snit]

On 9/2/12 3:47 PM, in article k20nm5$i92$5...@news.albasani.net, "Nobody"
<inv...@invalid.com> wrote:

...

>>> Spend thousands of dollars to buy Macs to replace all of your PCs.
>>
>> Never had to do so.
>
> The OP and all the Linux users you're trying to convince OS X is better
> would have to.

Clearly not true - you, for example, are obviously convinced the Mac way is
*much* better. Your actions make that *very* clear.

It is settled, in this area at least, OS X is far, far ahead of desktop
Linux... heck, so far ahead that JEDIDIAH could literally not believe it
when he was shown absolute proof and you can only snip, run, and try to
change the topic.

[Nobody]

On 9/2/2012 5:54 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 9/2/12 3:47 PM, in article k20nm5$i92$5...@news.albasani.net, "Nobody"
> <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> ...
>>>> Spend thousands of dollars to buy Macs to replace all of your PCs.
>>>
>>> Never had to do so.
>>
>> The OP and all the Linux users you're trying to convince OS X is better
>> would have to.
>
> Clearly not true - you, for example, are obviously convinced the Mac way is
> *much* better. Your actions make that *very* clear.

When I say Macs are overpriced, underpowered, and over hyped, and would
cause me to spend thousands of dollars to use them, it makes you believe
I'm convinced the "Mac way" is "much better? No shit?

> It is settled, in this area at least, OS X is far, far ahead of desktop
> Linux...

In the area of unnecessary expenses, for overpriced, underpowered
computers that rob users of their freedom.

[Snit]

On 9/2/12 4:09 PM, in article k20ouf$lj4$1...@news.albasani.net, "Nobody"

You have made it clear that on the topic - printer installation - you know
OS X handles it better than does Linux... hence your snipping and running to
such irrelevant and false blathering.

[Nobody]

On 9/2/2012 7:46 PM, Snit wrote:
> On 9/2/12 4:09 PM, in article k20ouf$lj4$1...@news.albasani.net, "Nobody"
> <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/2/2012 5:54 PM, Snit wrote:
>>> On 9/2/12 3:47 PM, in article k20nm5$i92$5...@news.albasani.net, "Nobody"
>>> <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>>>> Spend thousands of dollars to buy Macs to replace all of your PCs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Never had to do so.
>>>>
>>>> The OP and all the Linux users you're trying to convince OS X is better
>>>> would have to.
>>>
>>> Clearly not true - you, for example, are obviously convinced the Mac way is
>>> *much* better. Your actions make that *very* clear.
>>
>> When I say Macs are overpriced, underpowered, and over hyped, and would
>> cause me to spend thousands of dollars to use them, it makes you believe
>> I'm convinced the "Mac way" is "much better? No shit?
>>
>>> It is settled, in this area at least, OS X is far, far ahead of desktop
>>> Linux...
>>
>> In the area of unnecessary expenses, for overpriced, underpowered
>> computers that rob users of their freedom.
>
> You have made it clear that on the topic - printer installation -

You didn't even discuss that yourself. You said you'd already had the
printer driver installed before you added the printer, and then you went
off to network scanning.

I made it clear to get whatever OS X has in the way of printer
installation would cost a Linux user thousands of dollars in overpriced,
underpowered, over hyped Mac PCs and servers that would limit his freedom.

[Snit]

On 9/2/12 5:55 PM, in article k20v6m$6da$1...@news.albasani.net, "Nobody"

<inv...@invalid.com> wrote:

>>> In the area of unnecessary expenses, for overpriced, underpowered
>>> computers that rob users of their freedom.
>>
>> You have made it clear that on the topic - printer installation -
>
> You didn't even discuss that yourself.

A lie from you. What a shock!

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, owl belched this bit o' wisdom:

> Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote:
>
>> Because, a few years ago, my news-service provider was my old ISP,
>> Comcast.
>
> I'm trying to ascertain whether your client allows you to replace
> User-Agent.

There's a patch for that:

http://www.strcat.de/eigenes/slrn-0.9.8.0-useragent-patch

The latest manual doesn't mention such a command, but that's the beauty
of open source.

> News server is not really relevant other than bouncing
> on duplicates. My client gives flexibility of sending no User-Agent,
> custom User-Agent, multiple User-Agent, etc. This server also does
> not bounce on duplicate User-Agent.
>
>> But why are you conversing with me? "Hadron" (below) thinks I am
>> nothing more than a liar and fraud. :-D
>
> I would not worry what CERN's toner monkey thinks.

Flounder thinks that I posted with an additional user-agent "many many"
times.

He also thinks it "proves" I did not use Linux. And our CERN
toner-monkey, "Hadron", seems to agree.

Just when you think these guys can't get any dumber.

--
Can there now really be any doubt that Linonut is a liar and a suck up? If
there was then your reply surely removes that doubt from the minds of any
sentient beings (COLA "advocates" not included obviously).

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Nobody belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On 9/1/2012 8:43 AM, Foster wrote:
>> On Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:15:28 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> On 2012-09-01, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
>>>>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to be a follower, by my guest; I rather make up my own
>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>
>>>>> You left out this bit of "Hadronic" bone-headed-ness:
>>>>>
>>>>> A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to
>>>>> pretend to be a Linux user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0),
>>>>> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
>>>>> (Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>>> What's the story behind that sig anyway? I totally missed it.
>>>
>>> "Hadron" is trying to turn my attempt (ages ago) to see what slrn and
>>> ISP would do if I added a fake User-Agent. The fake was Outlook, but
>>> "Hadron" wants to pretend that the fake entry was the slrn one.
>>
>> Nice try.
>> But seeing as it's not a single post, but many, many posts, your
>> story is not believable at all.

Many many posts? Bullshit.

>> Add in the fact that you were "experimenting" with faking your
>> headers, your words, shows your motives.
>
> You being against Chris is enough reason for me to believe him.

What!? You're going to take my word over that of a poo-posting
linturd-name-calling Sobibor-survivor name-appropriating filthy
needler and liar?

--
But yes, I do appreciate good free SW : but I'm under no illusions about
the quality of a lot of it compared to commercial competition.
Basically you want a free lunch. And Beer. Great. Good for you.
Q: what Linux SW have you paid for?
-- "Hadron Quark", 2006

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, owl belched this bit o' wisdom:

No, I didn't. So I tried it, and saw.

>> He looked like a real moron once again.
>
> How do you know which one was manually added?

He doesn't.

And it doesn't matter, even if I had posted from Outlook in that
instance.

--
No modern woman with a grain of sense ever sends little notes to an
unmarried man -- not until she is married, anyway.
-- Arthur Binstead

[Foster]

On Mon, 3 Sep 2012 08:05:09 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After swilling some grog, owl belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Because, a few years ago, my news-service provider was my old ISP,
>>> Comcast.
>>
>> I'm trying to ascertain whether your client allows you to replace
>> User-Agent.
>
> There's a patch for that:
>
> http://www.strcat.de/eigenes/slrn-0.9.8.0-useragent-patch
>
> The latest manual doesn't mention such a command, but that's the beauty
> of open source.

There is a script for 40tude Dialog as well.

>> News server is not really relevant other than bouncing
>> on duplicates. My client gives flexibility of sending no User-Agent,
>> custom User-Agent, multiple User-Agent, etc. This server also does
>> not bounce on duplicate User-Agent.
>>
>>> But why are you conversing with me? "Hadron" (below) thinks I am
>>> nothing more than a liar and fraud. :-D
>>
>> I would not worry what CERN's toner monkey thinks.
>
> Flounder thinks that I posted with an additional user-agent "many many"
> times.

You did.
It was not a single post.

> He also thinks it "proves" I did not use Linux. And our CERN
> toner-monkey, "Hadron", seems to agree.

Not quite.

It demonstrates your strange need for acceptance in COLA and since
using slrn for some very strange reason seems to elevate one's
status in COLA you were trying to see if you could somehow get one
of your other machines, probably your work machine, to fake the
header into showing USER-AGENT slrn instead of Outlook.

I believe you use Linux.
I don't believe you are a Linux programmer though except on your own
time where you like to dabble.
You are either a QA person or a technical writer.

> Just when you think these guys can't get any dumber.

You come along and win the prize.
Every time.

[Foster]

On Mon, 3 Sep 2012 08:06:43 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After swilling some grog, Nobody belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 9/1/2012 8:43 AM, Foster wrote:
>>> On Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:15:28 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2012-09-01, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
>>>>>> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want to be a follower, by my guest; I rather make up my own
>>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You left out this bit of "Hadronic" bone-headed-ness:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A certain COLA "advocate" faking his user-agent in order to
>>>>>> pretend to be a Linux user: User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0),
>>>>>> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
>>>>>> (Linux), Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the story behind that sig anyway? I totally missed it.
>>>>
>>>> "Hadron" is trying to turn my attempt (ages ago) to see what slrn and
>>>> ISP would do if I added a fake User-Agent. The fake was Outlook, but
>>>> "Hadron" wants to pretend that the fake entry was the slrn one.
>>>
>>> Nice try.
>>> But seeing as it's not a single post, but many, many posts, your
>>> story is not believable at all.
>
> Many many posts? Bullshit.

Fact.

>>> Add in the fact that you were "experimenting" with faking your
>>> headers, your words, shows your motives.
>>
>> You being against Chris is enough reason for me to believe him.
>
> What!? You're going to take my word over that of a poo-posting
> linturd-name-calling Sobibor-survivor name-appropriating filthy
> needler and liar?

LOL!

You sound like someone who just had their Cherrios peed in.

[Foster]

On Mon, 3 Sep 2012 08:08:01 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After swilling some grog, owl belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Hadron <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> owl <o...@rooftop.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> No dickhead. The point is that Creepy Chris thought they WOULD be
>>> replaced and they were not.
>
> No, I didn't. So I tried it, and saw.

Yea you did.

You were looking for approval of the herd and you shot yourself in
the foot.
There is no other logical reason for doing that, Chris Ahlstrom.

>>> He looked like a real moron once again.
>>
>> How do you know which one was manually added?
>
> He doesn't.

Either way you lose.

> And it doesn't matter, even if I had posted from Outlook in that
> instance.

You did.
You just didn't want the herd to catch on because we all know how
important the client a herd member uses.

[White Spirit]

On Monday, September 3, 2012 1:57:00 PM UTC+1, Foster wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Sep 2012 08:05:09 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> > Flounder thinks that I posted with an additional user-agent "many many"
> > times.

> You did.
> It was not a single post.

Chris has clearly been caught red-handed. Furthermore, it is in his best interests to lie as his fellow clique members believe everything they want to believe and nothing that they don't.

> I believe you use Linux.
> I don't believe you are a Linux programmer though except on your own
> time where you like to dabble.
> You are either a QA person or a technical writer.

What he certainly isn't is able to overcome his addiction to Microsoft, which makes him a hypocrite of the first order.

[Hadron]

Notice him also copying "toner monkey". Has he ever had an original
thought of your own?

ps I did contract for Cern. And Creepy, deep down, knows I use Debian
daily. God knows I've corrected him enough.

[DFS]

On 9/1/2012 12:42 AM, TomB wrote:
> On 2012-08-31, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>
> 8<
>
>> | Peter Köhlmann, in reference to <http://goo.gl/IjlkV>:
>> | -----
>> | You both show just *again* your incredible cluelessness. That is
>> | *standard* X behaviour, you cretins.
>
> This was about the X clipboard getting cleared on exiting a program,
> and that *is* standard X behaviour, no matter how much you guys whine
> about it.

It's not standard Windows behavior, but Firefox on Windows does it (or
used to).



> Sad that you don't seem to know this...
>
>> | In reference to: <http://goo.gl/gBV6G> / <http://goo.gl/nysWd>
>> | Peter Köhlmann:
>> | -----
>> | > What's to understand? I can't read, write, copy or
>> | > delete a root-owned folder... but I can rename it.
>
> But not a word on DFS' ignorance, right? Not a word on how the
> permissions on a directory apply to the contents of that directory and
> not on the directory itself?


The slopware permissions make no sense whatsoever, and I'm the ignorant one?

Good frothing there, Homer!




> Sad that you don't seem to know this...
>
>> | Peter Köhlmann, in reference to the term "DHCP network", which
>> | is used by Oracle, the University of Illinois, DATAQ, Netgear,
>> | Cisco, and other such groups, <http://goo.gl/HKRw4>:
>> | -----
>> | No, it is technically bullshit. Nobody wanting to be taken
>> | seriously as being competent would *ever* use such an idiotic
>> | description.
>> | -----
>
> Regardless of who uses it, I agree it's a bullshit term. Hell, it was
> /me/ who coined the idea. So sue me for not complying to the ongoing
> decline of technical accuracy, even in reference texts of network
> equimpent specialists.

>
> If you want to be a follower, by my guest; I rather make up my own
> mind.

So you disagree that "Linux just works". That's good.

[Foster]

On Mon, 03 Sep 2012 10:51:03 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 9/1/2012 12:42 AM, TomB wrote:
>> On 2012-08-31, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>>
>> 8<
>>

>>> | Peter K�hlmann, in reference to <http://goo.gl/IjlkV>:

>>> | -----
>>> | You both show just *again* your incredible cluelessness. That is
>>> | *standard* X behaviour, you cretins.
>>
>> This was about the X clipboard getting cleared on exiting a program,
>> and that *is* standard X behaviour, no matter how much you guys whine
>> about it.
>
> It's not standard Windows behavior, but Firefox on Windows does it (or
> used to).

Not anymore.
It got fixed somewhere along the way.

The clipboard in Linux *is* bizarre however.
Sometimes you can use a combination of menu items and clicking and
other times you can't.

[Sinister Midget]

On 2012-09-03, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> claimed:

> After swilling some grog, owl belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Hadron <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> owl <o...@rooftop.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> No dickhead. The point is that Creepy Chris thought they WOULD be
>>> replaced and they were not.
>
> No, I didn't. So I tried it, and saw.
>
>>> He looked like a real moron once again.
>>
>> How do you know which one was manually added?
>
> He doesn't.
>
> And it doesn't matter, even if I had posted from Outlook in that
> instance.

Does Outhouse allow you to add or replace headers?

--
Try to look unimportant, they may be low on ammo
Dell Inspiron 530, Snowlinux 3 Crystal
Friends don't let friends use Windows

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Sinister Midget belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2012-09-03, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> claimed:
>> After swilling some grog, owl belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Hadron <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> owl <o...@rooftop.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> No dickhead. The point is that Creepy Chris thought they WOULD be
>>>> replaced and they were not.
>>
>> No, I didn't. So I tried it, and saw.
>>
>>>> He looked like a real moron once again.
>>>
>>> How do you know which one was manually added?
>>
>> He doesn't.
>>
>> And it doesn't matter, even if I had posted from Outlook in that
>> instance.
>
> Does Outhouse allow you to add or replace headers?

How would I know? I haven't used that crap in years.

--
In the cases where the posting SERVER doesnt overwrite it simply add the
header yourself. With something like Gnus its trivial using, for
example, gnus-posting styles. With kiddies news readers like Pan or
KNode etc I'm not sure. However, nymshifting is reprehensible behaviour
enough. Doing so and then pretending to be someone else's IP is the kind
of behaviour only the lowest of the low and scum of the earth, like
Peter or hpt, would lower themselves to do.
-- "Hadron" <ift6k3$f75$1...@news.eternal-september.org>

[Sinister Midget]

On 2012-09-03, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> claimed:
> After swilling some grog, Sinister Midget belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2012-09-03, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> claimed:

>>> And it doesn't matter, even if I had posted from Outlook in that
>>> instance.
>>
>> Does Outhouse allow you to add or replace headers?
>
> How would I know? I haven't used that crap in years.

I don't think it does. If I'm right, it begs the (rhetorical) question,
is Flatso so dumb as to think you'd use slrn to post and stick an
Outhouse header in to hide the fact you're using slrn?

--
Air conditioned environment - Do not open Windows.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Sinister Midget belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2012-09-03, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> claimed:
>> After swilling some grog, Sinister Midget belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> On 2012-09-03, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> claimed:
>
>>>> And it doesn't matter, even if I had posted from Outlook in that
>>>> instance.
>>>
>>> Does Outhouse allow you to add or replace headers?
>>
>> How would I know? I haven't used that crap in years.
>
> I don't think it does. If I'm right, it begs the (rhetorical) question,
> is Flatso so dumb as to think you'd use slrn to post and stick an
> Outhouse header in to hide the fact you're using slrn?

Yes. Him and "Hadron" both.

--
I'd been hearing all sorts of gloom and doom predictions for Y2K, so I
thought I'd heed some of the advice that the experts have been giving:
Fill up the car's gas tank, stock up on canned goods, fill up the bathtub
with water, and so on.

I guess I wasn't fully awake when I completed my preparations late last
night. This morning I found the kitchen shelves soaked in gasoline, water
in the car's gas tank, and my bathtub filled with baked beans.
-- Dan Pearl in a message to rec.humor.funny

[Foster]

On Mon, 3 Sep 2012 19:16:11 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After swilling some grog, Sinister Midget belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2012-09-03, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> claimed:
>>> After swilling some grog, Sinister Midget belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> On 2012-09-03, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> claimed:
>>
>>>>> And it doesn't matter, even if I had posted from Outlook in that
>>>>> instance.
>>>>
>>>> Does Outhouse allow you to add or replace headers?
>>>
>>> How would I know? I haven't used that crap in years.
>>
>> I don't think it does. If I'm right, it begs the (rhetorical) question,
>> is Flatso so dumb as to think you'd use slrn to post and stick an
>> Outhouse header in to hide the fact you're using slrn?
>
> Yes. Him and "Hadron" both.

Bzzzzt wrong.

You use Outlook and you are trying to use X-Headers to show you are
using slrn so you can gain approval from the herd for using a geek
news reader.

Another epic fail, Chris Ahlstrom.

[owl]

I don't see reference to an X-User-Agent header in Hadron's .sig.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, owl belched this bit o' wisdom:

Idiot. I haven't used Outlook or Outlook Express in years.

> I don't see reference to an X-User-Agent header in Hadron's .sig.

--
Only if it's true. Then again, maybe you should stick to making
bullshit claims about how all OS's are Open Source except for Windows
and how only nVidia makes good video cards.
-- Larry Qualig, http://www.webservertalk.com/archive230-2006-11-1720750.html

[chrisv]

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>>> Another epic fail, Chris Ahlstrom.
>
>Idiot. I haven't used Outlook or Outlook Express in years.

KF the mentally-ill POS.

--
"The recent spanking the usual suspects got on the subject of Mono was
priceless." - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

[DFS]

On 9/4/2012 9:07 AM, Anonymous wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom giggled:

>>
>>> Another epic fail, Chris Ahlstrom.
>>
>> Idiot. I haven't used Outlook or Outlook Express in years.
>>
>

> #1 You have no credibility so why should anyone believe you.
>
> #2 Those posts were made years ago so your claim proves nothing.

>
>
>>> I don't see reference to an X-User-Agent header in Hadron's
>>> .sig.
>
>

> Let's look at the post.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ed1e5ae24fd2e0ed?hl=en&dmode=source
>
>
>
User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0) User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0
> (Linux) Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com> Date: Sun,
> 30 May 2004 21:51:21 -0500
>
>
> TWO user agents. It's either a Linux slrn user going out of his way
> to pretend he's using Windows in a Linux advocacy group.
>
> Or a Windows Outlook user trying to pretend he's using slrn to
> impress other Linux users.
>
>
> ***** Which is more likely? *****


Depends. Is the Windows Outlook user a pretentious douchebag who uses
big words and says "Microsoft is evil and a cancer" but makes a living
from MS\Windows software most of his life?

[Foster]

On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 06:09:21 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After swilling some grog, owl belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Foster <frankf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Sep 2012 19:16:11 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> > After swilling some grog, Sinister Midget belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>> >
>>> >> On 2012-09-03, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> claimed:
>>> >>> After swilling some grog, Sinister Midget belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On 2012-09-03, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> claimed:
>>> >>
>>> >>>>> And it doesn't matter, even if I had posted from Outlook in that
>>> >>>>> instance.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Does Outhouse allow you to add or replace headers?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> How would I know? I haven't used that crap in years.
>>> >>
>>> >> I don't think it does. If I'm right, it begs the (rhetorical) question,
>>> >> is Flatso so dumb as to think you'd use slrn to post and stick an
>>> >> Outhouse header in to hide the fact you're using slrn?
>>> >
>>> > Yes. Him and "Hadron" both.
>>
>>> Bzzzzt wrong.
>>
>>> You use Outlook and you are trying to use X-Headers to show you are
>>> using slrn so you can gain approval from the herd for using a geek
>>> news reader.
>>
>>> Another epic fail, Chris Ahlstrom.
>
> Idiot. I haven't used Outlook or Outlook Express in years.

Well after your last failed experience at spoofing the User-Agent
header I can understand why.
Bwaaaaaaaaa!

[Foster]

Answer = YES

[DFS]

Then it's the pretentious douchebag Windows Outlook Express user trying

[Foster]

Yep.
Of course that is what he was doing.
He got caught.

It's no biggie, but it still shows how insecure the herd is with
themselves and how they are perceived.

Personally I could care less what client anyone is using.

[DFS]

He didn't put in 'test' or something innocuous - he had to put in
something he thought was 1337... what a weenie. Entirely consistent
with the kind of girlie-man behavior that is Creepy Chris Ahlstrom.

> It's no biggie, but it still shows how insecure the herd is with
> themselves and how they are perceived.

Check out the headers Gidget used recently:

X-Retard: Flatfish
X-Dimwit: DUHuane Arnold
X-Dipshit: Hadron
X-KKK-Grand-Wizard: DuFuS
X-KKK-Exalted-Cyclops: DuFuS again, or Flatso; take your pick
X-Liar: Flattie, Quirk, 0xd00f, Big Stool, Snot, Toilet Clog, EZKill

> Personally I could care less what client anyone is using.

Windows users = Windows email clients
Linux advocates = Linux email clients
Linux "advocates" = Windows email clients

[Foster]

Girlie man sure describes Chris Ahlstrom, that's for certain.

>
>> It's no biggie, but it still shows how insecure the herd is with
>> themselves and how they are perceived.
>
> Check out the headers Gidget used recently:
>
> X-Retard: Flatfish
> X-Dimwit: DUHuane Arnold
> X-Dipshit: Hadron
> X-KKK-Grand-Wizard: DuFuS
> X-KKK-Exalted-Cyclops: DuFuS again, or Flatso; take your pick
> X-Liar: Flattie, Quirk, 0xd00f, Big Stool, Snot, Toilet Clog, EZKill

Haha!

Chris is sooooooooooo 1337!
He can even add X-Headers!
Wow!

>
>> Personally I could care less what client anyone is using.
>
> Windows users = Windows email clients
> Linux advocates = Linux email clients
> Linux "advocates" = Windows email clients

lol!
And true.

[Hadron]

Creepy didnt do those. That was Gidget.

>
>>
>>> Personally I could care less what client anyone is using.
>>
>> Windows users = Windows email clients
>> Linux advocates = Linux email clients
>> Linux "advocates" = Windows email clients
>
> lol!
> And true.

Poor Creepy. I'm still amazed he was boasting about his new Windows pc.


--

[Hadron]

Anonymous <anon...@foto.nl1.torservers.net> writes:

> Chris Ahlstrom giggled:

>>
>>> Another epic fail, Chris Ahlstrom.
>>
>>Idiot. I haven't used Outlook or Outlook Express in years.
>>
>

> #1 You have no credibility so why should anyone believe you.
>
> #2 Those posts were made years ago so your claim proves nothing.
>

>>> I don't see reference to an X-User-Agent header in Hadron's .sig.
>

> Let's look at the post.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ed1e5ae24fd2e0ed?hl=en&dmode=source
>
> User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0)
> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (Linux)
> Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>
> Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:51:21 -0500
>
> TWO user agents. It's either a Linux slrn user going out of his way to pretend
> he's using Windows in a Linux advocacy group.
>
> Or a Windows Outlook user trying to pretend he's using slrn to impress other
> Linux users.
>
> ***** Which is more likely? *****
>

*giggle*

Poor Creepy. He tries too hard.

[Foster]

On Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:23:47 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> Anonymous <anon...@foto.nl1.torservers.net> writes:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom giggled:
>>>
>>>> Another epic fail, Chris Ahlstrom.
>>>
>>>Idiot. I haven't used Outlook or Outlook Express in years.
>>>
>>
>> #1 You have no credibility so why should anyone believe you.
>>
>> #2 Those posts were made years ago so your claim proves nothing.
>>
>>>> I don't see reference to an X-User-Agent header in Hadron's .sig.
>>
>> Let's look at the post.
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/ed1e5ae24fd2e0ed?hl=en&dmode=source
>>
>> User-Agent: Outlook 5.5 (WinNT 5.0)
>> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (Linux)
>> Message-ID: <wPGdnd3NnOM...@comcast.com>
>> Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:51:21 -0500
>>
>> TWO user agents. It's either a Linux slrn user going out of his way to pretend
>> he's using Windows in a Linux advocacy group.
>>
>> Or a Windows Outlook user trying to pretend he's using slrn to impress other
>> Linux users.
>>
>> ***** Which is more likely? *****
>>
>
> *giggle*
>
> Poor Creepy. He tries too hard.

And that's exactly the point.

Ahlstrom has this deep rooted desire for acceptance from the COLA
Linux crowd. And of course in the hierarchy of things, running slrn
is the ultimate in testimony to being a geek.

I really don't care what he uses, but it's funny to see him
scampering around looking for the approval of others.

[DFS]

I made a few posts from slrn. Big deal. It was a pain to setup, and
just a strange program overall.

Using it tags you as insecure, not kewl or leet.

[Foster]

It's archaic but powerful for filters and so forth.
I still have a place in my heart for it, but modern readers are far
superior for me.

Crap, you have to stop and start it just to change colors etc.
It's ridiculous.

[TomB]

On 2012-09-05, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:

> I made a few posts from slrn. Big deal. It was a pain to setup,
> and just a strange program overall.
>
> Using it tags you as insecure, not kewl or leet.

Changing a couple of lines in a plain text config file and setting an
environment variable is a 'pain to setup'? Ugh.

--

# Give all those pictures the same name format, trailing zeros please for the right order, offset to merge different collections of pictures
OFFS=30;LZ=6;FF=$(printf %%0%dd $LZ);for F in *.jpg;do NF="${F%.jpg}";NF="${NF/#+(0)/}";NF=$[NF+OFFS];NF="$(printf $FF $NF)".jpg;if [ "$F" != "$NF" ];then mv -iv "$F" "$NF";fi;done

[Foster]

On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 01:54:57 +0200, TomB wrote:

> On 2012-09-05, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>
>> I made a few posts from slrn. Big deal. It was a pain to setup,
>> and just a strange program overall.
>>
>> Using it tags you as insecure, not kewl or leet.
>
> Changing a couple of lines in a plain text config file and setting an
> environment variable is a 'pain to setup'? Ugh.

Yep.
And having to restart slrn just to check if you picked the correct
colors is even a bigger pain.

[Hadron]

TomB <tommy.b...@gmail.com> writes:

> On 2012-09-05, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>
>> I made a few posts from slrn. Big deal. It was a pain to setup,
>> and just a strange program overall.
>>
>> Using it tags you as insecure, not kewl or leet.
>
> Changing a couple of lines in a plain text config file and setting an
> environment variable is a 'pain to setup'? Ugh.

It is for most people yes : why should they have to edit such a file
when a wonderful thing called a "program" can do it for them via a well
designed and intuitive settings interface?

And see how easy it is to screw up when you think you're being 1337? Ask
Creepy Chris Ahlstrom who managed to post with two agent headers : lol.

Now in fairness Gnus was real pain to set up BUT most settings /
variables are configurable through the standard emacs customization ui.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2012-09-05, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>
>> I made a few posts from slrn. Big deal. It was a pain to setup,
>> and just a strange program overall.

Said the one who is a strange person overall.

>> Using it tags you as insecure, not kewl or leet.

It doesn't tag anyone as insecure, kewl, or leet.
What a stupid statement.

> Changing a couple of lines in a plain text config file and setting an
> environment variable is a 'pain to setup'? Ugh.

Not to mention his silly conclusion, and Flounder's silly psychological
analysis (i.e. troll) of why someone uses slrn.

People use slrn because they like it. It is small, yet full-featured,
and fast.

These two are idiots.

--
The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to
factor large prime numbers.
-- Bill Gates, The Road Ahead (1995), hardcover edition (corrected in
paperback)

[Nobody]

On 09/05/2012 09:26 PM, Hadron wrote:
> TomB <tommy.b...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 2012-09-05, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>
>>> I made a few posts from slrn. Big deal. It was a pain to setup,
>>> and just a strange program overall.
>>>
>>> Using it tags you as insecure, not kewl or leet.
>>
>> Changing a couple of lines in a plain text config file and setting an
>> environment variable is a 'pain to setup'? Ugh.
>
> It is for most people yes : why should they have to edit such a file
> when a wonderful thing called a "program" can do it for them via a well
> designed and intuitive settings interface?

How can you ask a thing like that and go on to admit the Gnus you post
with was "real pain to set up?"

> And see how easy it is to screw up when you think you're being 1337?

Asks the guy who screwed up in a major way while thinking he was being l337.

> Ask
> Creepy Chris Ahlstrom who managed to post with two agent headers : lol.

You're still beating that dead horse?

> Now in fairness Gnus was real pain to set up BUT most settings /
> variables are configurable through the standard emacs customization ui.

So you should be using this wonderful thing called a program, that could
have avoided you that pain, via a well designed and intuitive settings
interface?

[Homer]

Verily I say unto thee that Nobody spake thusly:

> On 09/05/2012 09:26 PM, Hadron wrote:
>>
>> It is for most people yes : why should they have to edit such a file
>> when a wonderful thing called a "program" can do it for them via a
>> well designed and intuitive settings interface?
>
> How can you ask a thing like that and go on to admit the Gnus you post
> with was "real pain to set up?"

I'd like to know what makes Larry think typing something into a GUI text
box is somehow less of a "pain" than typing exactly the same text into a
text editor?

In fact the text configuration is probably a lot easier, given that it's
usually better documented and provides explicit examples.

--
K. | "You see? You cannot kill me. There is no flesh
http://slated.org | and blood within this cloak to kill. There is
Fedora 8 (Werewolf) on šky | only an idea. And ideas are bulletproof."
kernel 2.6.31.5, up 10 days | ~ V for Vendetta.

[TomB]

On 2012-09-06, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:

> TomB <tommy.b...@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 2012-09-05, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>
>>> I made a few posts from slrn. Big deal. It was a pain to setup,
>>> and just a strange program overall.
>>>
>>> Using it tags you as insecure, not kewl or leet.
>>
>> Changing a couple of lines in a plain text config file and setting
>> an environment variable is a 'pain to setup'? Ugh.
>
> It is for most people yes : why should they have to edit such a file
> when a wonderful thing called a "program" can do it for them via a
> well designed and intuitive settings interface?

http://home.arcor.de/kaffeetisch/slrnconf.html

> And see how easy it is to screw up when you think you're being 1337?
> Ask Creepy Chris Ahlstrom who managed to post with two agent headers
> : lol.
>
> Now in fairness Gnus was real pain to set up BUT most settings /
> variables are configurable through the standard emacs customization
> ui.

To each his own. I prefer text configuration over a graphical
configuration interface. To me its much easier, often more portable
and I can write as much comments in my configuration as I like.

--

# Browse system RAM in a human readable form
sudo cat /proc/kcore | strings | awk 'length > 20' | less

[Hadron]

Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> writes:

> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2012-09-05, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>
>>> I made a few posts from slrn. Big deal. It was a pain to setup,
>>> and just a strange program overall.
>
> Said the one who is a strange person overall.
>
>>> Using it tags you as insecure, not kewl or leet.
>
> It doesn't tag anyone as insecure, kewl, or leet.
> What a stupid statement.

It must do in YOUR mind Creepy. After all, it was YOU pretending to use
it.

See .sig for more details.

>
>> Changing a couple of lines in a plain text config file and setting an
>> environment variable is a 'pain to setup'? Ugh.
>
> Not to mention his silly conclusion, and Flounder's silly psychological
> analysis (i.e. troll) of why someone uses slrn.
>
> People use slrn because they like it. It is small, yet full-featured,
> and fast.

How is it "fast"? Just because its a character based interface it doesnt
make it "fast" in any shape or form compared to X-apps on modern HW.

That said I have used it and its alright. Not a patch on Gnus which is
another text based (emacs) interface but its still an X app...

>
> These two are idiots.

You try too hard. Lets not forget it was YOU forging your headers an got
caught.

[Sinister Midget]

On 2012-09-06, Nobody <inv...@invalid.com> claimed:

> On 09/05/2012 09:26 PM, Hadron wrote:
>> TomB <tommy.b...@gmail.com> writes:

>>> Changing a couple of lines in a plain text config file and setting an
>>> environment variable is a 'pain to setup'? Ugh.
>>
>> It is for most people yes : why should they have to edit such a file
>> when a wonderful thing called a "program" can do it for them via a well
>> designed and intuitive settings interface?
>
> How can you ask a thing like that and go on to admit the Gnus you post
> with was "real pain to set up?"

Easy. He doesn't use Gnus. He uses some Windummie program and changes
headers. He's done it since the early days, when he put CERN in his
headers to pretend that's where he was posting from (where's
psycho-Flattie talking about l33t and insecurity on that one?).

--
An elephant: A mouse built to government specifications.
Dell Inspiron 530, Snowlinux 3 Crystal
Friends don't let friends use Windows

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Nobody belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On 09/05/2012 09:26 PM, Hadron wrote:
>> TomB <tommy.b...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 2012-09-05, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>>
>>>> I made a few posts from slrn. Big deal. It was a pain to setup,
>>>> and just a strange program overall.
>>>>
>>>> Using it tags you as insecure, not kewl or leet.
>>>
>>> Changing a couple of lines in a plain text config file and setting an
>>> environment variable is a 'pain to setup'? Ugh.
>>
>> It is for most people yes : why should they have to edit such a file
>> when a wonderful thing called a "program" can do it for them via a well
>> designed and intuitive settings interface?

Because they can:

- Edit the file with their *favorite* editing interface.
- Have access to the search and modification abilities of
their *favorite* editing interface.
- Have a way around a badly designed and unintuitive settings
interface, something which is all too frequent (the settings
interfaces for Word 2010 and Outlook come to mind).
- Add comments and historical or situational notes to the settings
file.

> How can you ask a thing like that and go on to admit the Gnus you post
> with was "real pain to set up?"
>
>> And see how easy it is to screw up when you think you're being 1337?
>
> Asks the guy who screwed up in a major way while thinking he was being l337.
>
>> Ask
>> Creepy Chris Ahlstrom who managed to post with two agent headers : lol.
>
> You're still beating that dead horse?

He's a kiddie, just like Flounder, using a non-issue for "ridicule".

>> Now in fairness Gnus was real pain to set up BUT most settings /
>> variables are configurable through the standard emacs customization ui.
>
> So you should be using this wonderful thing called a program, that could
> have avoided you that pain, via a well designed and intuitive settings
> interface?

Big-header "Hadron" thinks he is "l337".

--
What the deuce is it to me? You say that we go around the sun. If we went
around the moon it would not make a pennyworth of difference to me or my work.
-- Sherlock Holmes, "A Study in Scarlet"

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Homer belched this bit o' wisdom:

> Verily I say unto thee that Nobody spake thusly:
>> On 09/05/2012 09:26 PM, Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>> It is for most people yes : why should they have to edit such a file
>>> when a wonderful thing called a "program" can do it for them via a
>>> well designed and intuitive settings interface?
>>
>> How can you ask a thing like that and go on to admit the Gnus you post
>> with was "real pain to set up?"
>
> I'd like to know what makes Larry think typing something into a GUI text
> box is somehow less of a "pain" than typing exactly the same text into a
> text editor?
>
> In fact the text configuration is probably a lot easier, given that it's
> usually better documented and provides explicit examples.

Agreed.

Microsoft's UI to "Environment Variables", after how many years, is
still the same awful, cramped text box. Ever try to edit PATH in it?
Often it is easier to copy the PATH into Notepad, edit it there, and
copy it back. Or use the command-line.

The settings interface to Visual Studio is pretty awful, too. Different
ways of navigating the UI depending on what set of settings you're
editing. Tooltips that cover what you're trying to edit. Some of the
dialogs are at least expandable, that helps. But you don't really have
the option of using a text editor, because Microsoft bit on the XML fad,
so the vcxproj file (for example) is difficult to read, and
difficult to edit without breaking the file. And would it have
killed Microsoft to have a "common settings" section, with only the
differences shown in the "debug" and "release" settings? I'd rather
work with GNU automake.

Has anyone *ever* seen a

>>> well designed and intuitive settings interface?

from Microsoft? I haven't. "Great software" my ass.

--
I laid out memory so the bottom 640K was general purpose RAM and the upper
384 I reserved for video and ROM, and things like that. That is why they
talk about the 640K limit. It is actually a limit, not of the software, in
any way, shape, or form, it is the limit of the microprocessor. That thing
generates addresses, 20-bits addresses, that only can address a megabyte of
memory. And, therefore, all the applications are tied to that limit. It was
ten times what we had before. But to my surprise, we ran out of that address
base for applications within... oh five or six years people were
complaining.
-- Bill Gates, Smithsonian Institution interview (1993)

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2012-09-06, the following emerged from the brain of Hadron:
>> TomB <tommy.b...@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On 2012-09-05, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>>
>>>> I made a few posts from slrn. Big deal. It was a pain to setup,
>>>> and just a strange program overall.
>>>>
>>>> Using it tags you as insecure, not kewl or leet.
>>>
>>> Changing a couple of lines in a plain text config file and setting
>>> an environment variable is a 'pain to setup'? Ugh.
>>
>> It is for most people yes : why should they have to edit such a file
>> when a wonderful thing called a "program" can do it for them via a
>> well designed and intuitive settings interface?
>
> http://home.arcor.de/kaffeetisch/slrnconf.html

Meh. Nice try, though.

>> And see how easy it is to screw up when you think you're being 1337?
>> Ask Creepy Chris Ahlstrom who managed to post with two agent headers
>> : lol.

Actually, I added the second one by editing the post itself, not the
configuration. And it was Comcast that let both through, not me.

>> Now in fairness Gnus was real pain to set up BUT most settings /
>> variables are configurable through the standard emacs customization
>> ui.
>
> To each his own. I prefer text configuration over a graphical
> configuration interface. To me its much easier, often more portable
> and I can write as much comments in my configuration as I like.

Indeed.

> --
> # Browse system RAM in a human readable form
> sudo cat /proc/kcore | strings | awk 'length > 20' | less

I've finally given up on "sudo". Went without it in Gentoo, and
realized I didn't miss it in the least. And there's no danger of
forgetting the root password. :-)

--
It does, of course, make a total
mockery of why sud/sudo are there in the first place.
Hard to believe I know. But that's him.
-- "Hadron" <h5ke2t$p22$2...@news.eternal-september.org>

[TomB]

On 2012-09-06, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:

8<

> Microsoft's UI to "Environment Variables", after how many years, is
> still the same awful, cramped text box. Ever try to edit PATH in
> it? Often it is easier to copy the PATH into Notepad, edit it
> there, and copy it back.

Rofl, that's exactly what I do :-D

> Or use the command-line.

8<

--

# Grabs Open Files and Then Greps Them
lsof | grep "stuff"

[TomB]

On 2012-09-06, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:

> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:

8<

>> http://home.arcor.de/kaffeetisch/slrnconf.html
>
> Meh. Nice try, though.

Nice try indeed, and available for those who like it. Personally I
can't think of a reason to use a GUI front-end to configure a command
line program, but to each his own I guess.

8<

>> --
>> # Browse system RAM in a human readable form
>> sudo cat /proc/kcore | strings | awk 'length > 20' | less
>
> I've finally given up on "sudo". Went without it in Gentoo, and
> realized I didn't miss it in the least. And there's no danger of
> forgetting the root password. :-)

I still use it once in a while, for example when I want to toggle my
wireless, or to quickly install a package. For convenience I have set
up sudo to not ask a password on my personal machines - basically just
comment out one line in the default config shipped with Gentoo.

--

# Quickly clean log files (assuming you don't want them anymore)
for file in `find /var/log/ -type f -size +5000k`; do echo " " > $file; done

[TomB]

On 2012-09-06, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:

> After swilling some grog, Nobody belched this bit o' wisdom:
>> On 09/05/2012 09:26 PM, Hadron wrote:

8<

>>> It is for most people yes : why should they have to edit such a
>>> file when a wonderful thing called a "program" can do it for them
>>> via a well designed and intuitive settings interface?
>
> Because they can:
>
> - Edit the file with their *favorite* editing interface.
> - Have access to the search and modification abilities of
> their *favorite* editing interface.
> - Have a way around a badly designed and unintuitive settings
> interface, something which is all too frequent (the settings
> interfaces for Word 2010 and Outlook come to mind).
> - Add comments and historical or situational notes to the settings
> file.

Add version control with eg. GNU RCS to that last item. Very
important, especially on servers!

8<

--

# Take a screenshot of the screen, upload it to ompldr.org and put link to the clipboard and to the screenshots.log (with a date stamp) in a home directory.
scrot $1 /tmp/screenshot.png && curl -s -F file1=@/tmp/screenshot.png -F submit="OMPLOAD\!" http://ompldr.org/upload | egrep '(View file: <a href="v([A-Za-z0-9+\/]+)">)' | sed 's/^.*\(http:\/\/.*\)<.*$/\1/' | xsel -b -i ? (full in a sample output)

[Foster]

On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 21:39:07 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2012-09-05, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>>
>>> I made a few posts from slrn. Big deal. It was a pain to setup,
>>> and just a strange program overall.
>
> Said the one who is a strange person overall.
>
>>> Using it tags you as insecure, not kewl or leet.
>
> It doesn't tag anyone as insecure, kewl, or leet.
> What a stupid statement.
>
>> Changing a couple of lines in a plain text config file and setting an
>> environment variable is a 'pain to setup'? Ugh.
>
> Not to mention his silly conclusion, and Flounder's silly psychological
> analysis (i.e. troll) of why someone uses slrn.

Not *someone*, YOU Chris Ahlstrom.

Just the fact you tried to fake an Outlook header to display slrn
shows your motives.

> People use slrn because they like it. It is small, yet full-featured,
> and fast.

Others use it so they get the herd's approval.
That's the category you fit into Ahlstrom

> These two are idiots.

Translation: We nailed you and you know it.

[chrisv]

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>> dumfsck wrote:
>>>
>>> Using it tags you as insecure, not kewl or leet.
>
>It doesn't tag anyone as insecure, kewl, or leet.
>What a stupid statement.

It's amazing what made-up nonsense, what shameless *lies*, these
trolling assholes will spew, in order to attack users of Free
software.

"Ezekiel" approves, 100%.

--
"vi is garbage. And the only people who stick with it do it for "kewl"
points. It comes with a free pony tail and bad breath." - "True
Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, TomB belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2012-09-06, the following emerged from the brain of Chris Ahlstrom:
>

>> I've finally given up on "sudo". Went without it in Gentoo, and
>> realized I didn't miss it in the least. And there's no danger of
>> forgetting the root password. :-)
>
> I still use it once in a while, for example when I want to toggle my
> wireless, or to quickly install a package. For convenience I have set
> up sudo to not ask a password on my personal machines - basically just
> comment out one line in the default config shipped with Gentoo.

Sudo can, of course, be useful in scripts.

--
> He's an expert on everything. Ask him.
I must certainly am not. But I do know a fair bit of HW/SW development
and that is how I keep correcting twits like you. Its how I know about
things like CUA guidelines - something most "advocates" seem not to even
understand never mind agreeing with. It's how I nailed Creepy Ahlstrom
and Koehlmann when they were making claims about being world class C
programmers and promptly made the most basic error. Its how I changed
Telnet's page of crappy bashscript (which he copyrighted) into one
single line. It#s how I was aware that installing the Nvidia drivers
using the Nvidia installer way back would lead to awful package
management issues and non functioning X desktop. It#s how I was aware of
issues with mixing and matching apt-get and aptitude. I wont pretend I
know more about Ship's hulls then Koehlmann, or man-girl accessories
than Ahlstrom, burying dead bodies than Rick, OSS music apps than
Flatfish or Smarti, years of sponging off the tax payer like Raytard,
Matlab than Roy spamowitz, or paranoid lunacy than Homer but I do know
IT. And I will continue to correct losers like you when you openly tell
lies or display levels of ignorance previously unheard of in a mature
adult in order to promote your anti MS agenda.
-- "Hadron" <ihsjmm$jqe$3...@news.eternal-september.org>

[chrisv]

>> Hadron quacked:

>>>
>>> It is for most people yes : why should they have to edit such a file
>>> when a wonderful thing called a "program" can do it for them via a
>>> well designed and intuitive settings interface?

Which is only available from M$ or Apple. Right, Larry?

--
Answer: "2 ill thought out rubbish systems"

Question: What does "true Linux advocate" Hadron Quark think of KDE
and Gnome?

[Foster]

On Thu, 06 Sep 2012 07:49:05 -0500, chrisv wrote:

>>> Hadron quacked:
>>>>
>>>> It is for most people yes : why should they have to edit such a file
>>>> when a wonderful thing called a "program" can do it for them via a
>>>> well designed and intuitive settings interface?
>
> Which is only available from M$ or Apple. Right, Larry?

Are you that ignorant?

Thunderbird, pan, Opera, 40tude, Forte' Agent, Xnews etc.

[DFS]

On 9/5/2012 7:54 PM, TomB wrote:
> On 2012-09-05, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>
>> I made a few posts from slrn. Big deal. It was a pain to setup,
>> and just a strange program overall.
>>
>> Using it tags you as insecure, not kewl or leet.
>
> Changing a couple of lines in a plain text config file and setting an
> environment variable is a 'pain to setup'? Ugh.

You HAVE to make 5 or 6 settings (user identity, few server
settings, authentication, and I chose an editor), and finding them is a
pain. You have to dig into that ridiculous 560-line config file.

This is my slrn install/config experience way back in late 2006:

* install it via Synaptic
* doesn't show in the menus
* log out and back into KDE so slrn shows in the menus
(Networking | News)
* open a terminal, type slrn. fatal error: NNTPSERVER variable not set
* enter NNTPSERVER 'server' && export NNTPSERVER
* error 'bash: NNTPSERVER: command not found'
* su root, then NNTPSERVER 'server' && export NNTPSERVER. No error!
* type slrn. error about the slrn.rc file
* edit etc/news/slrn.rc
* find the sections I need to get it started
* type slrn. few more errors (related to .rc settings)
* finally, type slrn. It opens!

Plus, it threw seg faults and crashed twice right after I started using it.

It's not at all leet - it's just lame.

For the rest of my life I won't use slrn.