[News] Lindependence 2008 Video: Kid Installs GNU/Linux for the First Time in 10 Minutes
Roy Schestowitz
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13 year-old Eric Rufle talks about installing GNU-Linux watch!
http://www.archive.org/download/e-dv531_felton_eric_009_001.ogg/e-dv531_felton_eric_009_001.ogg
Earlier:
- From a pile of components to Ubuntu Linux in 25 minutes
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| Kudos to my son for being so darned clever, but the real credit goes to
| Ubuntu and Canonical for making Linux so easy to install and use.
|
| I can't help but point out that it took less than 25 minutes to do a full
| install of the operating system. It may have been significantly less, since I
| don't know how long it took to get the hardware set up.
|
| Contrast that with Mac OS X or Windows. It takes more than 25 minutes to do a
| full clean install of Mac OS X. It takes a significant multiple of 25 minutes
| to do a clean install of Windows XP or Windows Vista.
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http://ztrek.blogspot.com/2008/08/from-pile-of-components-to-ubuntu-linux.html
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DFS
<quote>
> It takes a significant multiple of 25 minutes to do a clean install of
> Windows XP or Windows Vista.
>
> http://ztrek.blogspot.com/2008/08/from-pile-of-components-to-ubuntu-linux.html
You already posted this lie earlier today. It's still a lie.
Over and over and over again, we see Linux lusers consistently proving
themselves to be liars. They lie about Linux (it just works!), and they lie
about Windows. But the world knows better, and *rejects* their crapware and
isn't fooled by their lies about their crapware.
Linonut
Man, you got a warped groove.
When I talk to other Linux users at work, we all talk about the little
problems we experience. And I think we're basically up front about
trying Linux. Try a live CD, see if you like it. It's similar in some
ways to Windows, but also different. You gain some stuff, you lose some
stuff. It will take you a few weeks to completely comfortable with it.
I think most Linux users are like that. Nobody likes to mess with their
friends.
--
In the Halls of Justice the only justice is in the halls.
-- Lenny Bruce
Moshe Goldfarb.
He also keeps posting propaganda concerning LinuxWorld 2008 which we all
know has turned out to be one huge flop.
LinuxWorld 2008 = Piker
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Psyc Geek (TAB)
> On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 20:25:55 -0400, DFS wrote:
> > Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
> > <quote>
>
> >> It takes a significant multiple of 25 minutes to do a clean install of
> >> Windows XP or Windows Vista.
>
>
> > You already posted this lie earlier today. It's still a lie.
>
> > Over and over and over again, we see Linux lusers consistently proving
> > themselves to be liars. They lie about Linux (it just works!), and they lie
> > about Windows. But the world knows better, and *rejects* their crapware and
> > isn't fooled by their lies about their crapware.
>
> He also keeps posting propaganda concerning LinuxWorld 2008 which we all
> know has turned out to be one huge flop.
>
> LinuxWorld 2008 = Piker
>
> --
> Moshe Goldfarb
> Collector of soaps from around the globe.
> Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Installing linux can be easy IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT HARDWARE and do not
mind
WIPING OUT the Windows area.
What if he had a problem?
What about wifi?
Is he tired of playing the old games?
Is the printer supported?
What about the web cam?
Again, it is installing linux.
Yep, it can work.
But lets add a little. Let us say he had to
backup windows first? Repartition the hard drive?
Make an ISO?
Linux examples are always the easiest possible senerio.
Homer
[snip DooFy's belligerent frothing]
> Man, you got a warped groove.
It's hilarious how the Trolls keep accusing Roy of "lying" ... because
he posts somebody *else's* opinion/experience.
As to the /author's/ claim that it "takes a significant multiple of 25
minutes to do a clean install of Windows XP or Windows Vista", that is
certainly true if one considers that installing Windows only gives you
an OS and nothing more. The base install probably takes between twenty
minutes to one hour depending on the hardware, but then to get back up
to a fully loaded system can take days or even /weeks/ of intermittent
work. I know this from *my* experience. And let's face it, there can't
be many Windows users who don't have considerable experience of having
to constantly reinstall the Vole's finest Slopware?
I'd break it down like this (average times):
_Windows_
1) ... Install OS + first reboot of many = 40 minutes
2) ... Install drivers from CDs + Shovelware + reboots = one hour
3) ... Install antivirus + firewall (essential) + reboots = 30 minutes
4) ... Download and install updates to 3) + reboots = 30 minutes
5) ... Windows update(s) + several reboots = one hour
6) ... Install apps and games from a shelf of discs + reboots = days
7) ... Download and install updates to 6) + reboots = days
8) ... Restore personal data + tweak settings + reboots = days
8) ... Find, download and install various shareware, + reboots = days
9) ... Diagnose and work around crashes and other issues = days
10)... Discover the whole thing is borked by viruses, a corrupted
Registry, incompatible drivers, or Windows Update, and GOTO 1.
Total = weeks.
(In reality, the process /never/ actually ends, it just goes round and
round in an endless loop, until you finally wake up and install Linux
instead.)
_Linux_
1) ... Install distro (OS + drivers + apps + games)* = 30 minutes
2) ... YUM/apt update = a few more minutes (non-interactive)
3) ... YUM/apt install whatever else you fancy = a few more minutes
4) ... Configure Email/Web/News clients, etc. = a few more minutes
5) ... Tweak theme/wallpaper/etc. = 60 seconds
Total = about an hour.
* Includes the one and only reboot you may ever need to do.
Does this mean that there are no problems with installing Linux? No,
but /most/ of my Linux experiences have been trouble-free, especially
compared to the vast litany of problems I've had with Windows.
And that's long before you start considering things like bloat, price,
security, flexibility, software freedom, and Microsoft's vile business
practices.
--
K.
http://slated.org
.----
| By bucking Microsoft for open source, says Gunderloy, "I'm no
| longer contributing to the eventual death of programming."
| ~ http://www.linux.com/feature/142083
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Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) on sky, running kernel 2.6.23.8-63.fc8
00:47:39 up 234 days, 21:23, 4 users, load average: 1.20, 1.32, 1.35
Moshe Goldfarb.
> Verily I say unto thee, that Linonut spake thusly:
>
> [snip DooFy's belligerent frothing]
>
>> Man, you got a warped groove.
>
> It's hilarious how the Trolls keep accusing Roy of "lying" ... because
> he posts somebody *else's* opinion/experience.
>
The same could be said of your side of the debate Homer.......
The Ghost In The Machine
<brick_...@gmail.com>
wrote
on Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:52:18 -0400
<193utslp9fefr.v...@40tude.net>:
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:47:56 +0100, Homer wrote:
>
>> Verily I say unto thee, that Linonut spake thusly:
>>
>> [snip DooFy's belligerent frothing]
>>
>>> Man, you got a warped groove.
>>
>> It's hilarious how the Trolls keep accusing Roy of "lying" ... because
>> he posts somebody *else's* opinion/experience.
>>
>
> The same could be said of your side of the debate Homer.......
>
Moshe might have a point. A fair amount of verbiage in
COLA has been expended on Ubuntu freezes -- freezes whose
cause does not appear clear, beyond the fact that they
might be happening on one of the Ubuntu versions.
Whether this verbiage is:
- authentic, meaning somebody out there has a legitimate problem
and is not being specific enough
or
- trollish, meaning someone's out to make trouble
or
- duplicated from elsewhere, which means someone took the
original comment and spread it around
I for one don't know, though hopefully the problems,
if they truly exist, can be sufficiently nailed down to
a specific device. For example, I *know* I can hang
my nx9010 if I attempt to use its winmodem/linmodem
(I'm using the slamr module; scanModem suggests I need a
different driver -- 'hsf' -- entirely); an autodetection
script finding it may therefore give itself headaches.
(It's a problem, but the number of times I've used dialup
this year is less than 1 anyway. ;-) )
--
#191, ewi...@earthlink.net
Linux. Because life's too short for a buggy OS.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
Rick
It sounds like there has been an increase in freezes in the last version
of Ubuntu. However, I haven't seen anyone looking back to see if the
problems or problem has been fixed. But here, of course, it is the people
dissing Linux systems that are screaming the most about Ubuntu, so they
have a vested interested in not reporting of progress.
--
Rick
Moshe Goldfarb.
You better add Fedora users to the list as well....
Rick
.. and all the problems the same, or do they share symptoms?
... and, apparently, you can subtract the PCLOS, Mandriva, Suse, etc
users.
--
Rick
Moshe Goldfarb.
Similar according to what DFS has posted.
> ... and, apparently, you can subtract the PCLOS, Mandriva, Suse, etc
> users.
Yes you can...
Linonut
> As to the /author's/ claim that it "takes a significant multiple of 25
> minutes to do a clean install of Windows XP or Windows Vista", that is
> certainly true if one considers that installing Windows only gives you
> an OS and nothing more. The base install probably takes between twenty
> minutes to one hour depending on the hardware, but then to get back up
> to a fully loaded system can take days or even /weeks/ of intermittent
> work. I know this from *my* experience. And let's face it, there can't
> be many Windows users who don't have considerable experience of having
> to constantly reinstall the Vole's finest Slopware?
It takes me about a day to rebuild a work XP system with all our
dev-process software working on it.
It takes about an hour to do the same for my Linux system.
The difference is even clearer when I realize I forgot an application:
Linux: 1 minute update
XP: Search for the install disk, often involving asking people
where the hell they put it; find the friggin' product key;
wait; reboot.
--
"Creation science" has not entered the curriculum for a reason so simple
and so basic that we often forget to mention it: because it is false, and
because good teachers understand exactly why it is false. What could be
more destructive of that most fragile yet most precious commodity in our
entire intellectual heritage -- good teaching -- than a bill forcing
honorable teachers to sully their sacred trust by granting equal treatment
to a doctrine not only known to be false, but calculated to undermine any
general understanding of science as an enterprise?
-- Stephen Jay Gould, "The Skeptical Inquirer", Vol. 12, page 186
Linonut
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:47:56 +0100, Homer wrote:
>
>> Verily I say unto thee, that Linonut spake thusly:
>>
>> [snip DooFy's belligerent frothing]
>>
>>> Man, you got a warped groove.
>>
>> It's hilarious how the Trolls keep accusing Roy of "lying" ... because
>> he posts somebody *else's* opinion/experience.
>
> The same could be said of your side of the debate Homer.......
Both DFS and Roy hammer on a restricted (and thus biased) agenda. Roy's
topics, however, are much broader than DFS's monomaniacal rantings.
Plus, Roy is generally pleasant.
--
I'm all for computer dating, but I wouldn't want one to marry my sister.
Homer
> * Moshe Goldfarb. peremptorily fired off this memo:
>> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:47:56 +0100, Homer wrote:
>>> [snip DooFy's belligerent frothing]
>>>
>>>> Man, you got a warped groove.
>>>
>>> It's hilarious how the Trolls keep accusing Roy of "lying" ...
>>> because he posts somebody *else's* opinion/experience.
>>
>> The same could be said of your side of the debate Homer.......
I don't recall ever suggesting that any Linux bug report was a lie. As
for opinions, by virtue of their subjectivity they can neither be true
nor false.
My "side" of the argument has little to do with technical issues. Linux
won the technical argument a long time ago, therefore there is little to
discuss, beyond the admission that all software has bugs. This is wholly
irrelevant; if I want to discuss bugs in Linux then I'll go to Bugzilla.
I'm far more interested in the political ramifications of a company like
Microsoft, operating like gangsters running a racketeering operation. If
people want to discuss the disproportionately serious issues in Windows,
compared to Linux, then that's fine by me too, but that doesn't mean I'm
denying Linux has any bugs at all. It may well be that certain anecdotal
"evidence" presented by Trolls like you are in fact lies. However, I am
disinclined to contend that some repost of a Bugzilla report is a lie on
the part of the messenger. But this is exactly what you and DooFuS /are/
claiming about Roy. It's ridiculous and hypocritical, since you're lying
about the source of what you contend is a lie, as a kind of filthy smear
campaign against someone. Such thuggish tactics are quite representative
of the gangsters you "evangelise" for, so your behaviour only serves to
confirm my suspicions.
> Both DFS and Roy hammer on a restricted (and thus biased) agenda.
> Roy's topics, however, are much broader than DFS's monomaniacal
> rantings. Plus, Roy is generally pleasant.
Roy is also on the morally /right/ side of the argument. Indeed none of
the Trolls have ever even attempted any justification for their morally
untenable position, instead hiding behind arguments about money; market
share and trivial bug reports, which they use as a bludgeon against us,
whilst ignoring the political and fundamental technical arguments, such
as Windows bloat; security and licensing issues, and Microsoft's filthy
business practises.
--
K.
http://slated.org
.----
| By bucking Microsoft for open source, says Gunderloy, "I'm no
| longer contributing to the eventual death of programming."
| ~ http://www.linux.com/feature/142083
`----
Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) on sky, running kernel 2.6.23.8-63.fc8
15:02:59 up 235 days, 11:38, 4 users, load average: 1.03, 1.06, 1.08
Mark Kent
Hear hear.
To my mind, even the act of posting off-topic anti-charter material on a
consistent basis is enough to demonstrate the dishonesty of the trolls.
The actual /content/ of those anti-charter postings is, in reality, a
2nd order problem. The first crime, the first evidence of dishonesty,
is the initial posting.
The actual content is the next problem, and typically consists of one of
the following:
1. Openly anti-linux statements, ie., off-topic, anti-charter material,
either out of context, or unsupported in any way;
2. Open criticism of on-topic, pro-charter posters (shoot the messenger),
often libellous and probably illegal in several geographies;
3. Open criticism of on-topic, pro-charter posts, usually unsupported,
often intensely vitriolic.
Sadly, they so often get traction with these methods, that we end up
with threads almost entirely seeded from one of the above three methods,
whilst the initial crime, the initial posting, is ignored.
They are often further combined with other typically trolling techniques,
in particular, the x-posting of inflammatory material, the constant use
of nym-shifting (like Gary here, sn1t and others).
Incidentally, the other bizarre criticism has been a claim that Roy is
"spamming" the newsgroup by posting on-topic, pro-charter material.
From time to time, I plead with everyone to ignore the trolls, and I say
so again. Please, do not give them a platform for their vitriolic
messages.
--
| mark at ellandroad dot demon dot co dot uk |
| Cola faq: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/ |
| Cola trolls: http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/ |
| Open platforms prevent vendor lock-in. Own your Own services! |
DFS
>> Both DFS and Roy hammer on a restricted (and thus biased) agenda.
>> Roy's topics, however, are much broader than DFS's monomaniacal
>> rantings. Plus, Roy is generally pleasant.
Roy's a piece of dishonest lying hypocrite shit who quotes anything that's
remotely against MS, no matter how stupid or old or contradictory. He posts
50 to 70 times a day, many of them containing 10 'recent' or 'related'
entries (some of which are dead links), then claims none of it is automated.
He's a liar.
> Roy is also on the morally /right/ side of the argument.
Then why, to this day, does that "moral" fool's resume contain Windows and
various proprietary technologies? Answer: so he can get a better job making
more money and using proprietary software. What, you think he truly
advocates and uses only Linux and open source?
> Indeed none
> of the Trolls have ever even attempted any justification for their
> morally untenable position,
There's no morality in closed- vs open-source software, you bitter lifelong
tosser who spent his whole career working on proprietary software.
> instead hiding behind arguments about money;
Who said this: "I am one of the few who agrees to those types of contracts,
which make contractors like me a scarce commodity (and therefore, very well
paid)."?
You're a fraud and a hypocrite.
> market share
Left side of "advocates" mouth's: Windows popularity doesn't mean it's good
Right side of "advocates" mouth's: Linux popularity does mean it's good
You guys are hopeless idiots sometimes.
> and trivial bug reports,
Poor Hypocrite is hurt that Ubuntu is a freezing, glitchy mess - going on a
year and a half now. Just among the few cola participants, we have 3
reports of it freezing up: Gidget, Rekruled and one other guy. And those
are the ones willing to speak the truth and subject themselves to a blizzard
of DFS's scathing ridicule.
> which they use as a
> bludgeon against us, whilst ignoring the political and fundamental
> technical arguments, such as Windows bloat; security and licensing
> issues,
* software bloat is a non-issue, as 1gb of RAM is $20 and 20gb of disk space
is $5. Linux has become very bloated, too.
* Vista seems relatively, if not very, secure.
* I absolutely hate Windows licensing crapola: license keys, registration,
authorization, authentication, certificate of authenticity, WGA, blab blah
blah. It does make you feel like they're treating you like a thief. It's
the price of using their products (among other closed-source vendors) - if
you don't pay for licenses you end up with crap like Linux and open source.
Also, see RedHat for license agreements making you agree to forced audits.
* I resent MS's lackluster customer support (though they recently did a good
job when I notified them genuinecheck.exe reported a false negative).
> and Microsoft's filthy business practises.
I *like* most of MS' business practices. I think it's choice how they offer
a fairly-priced product and the market beats a path to their door, and
[rightly] ignores the ridiculous crapware in the OSS world.
I like that they offer some of the best software technology in the world at
fair to low prices to students, home users and developers.
I think it's priceless that Bill Gates isn't at all intimidated by the govt
anti-trust case, and would get on the stand in court and make a fool of
David Boies.
The problem with most Linux/OSS people is they lack a killer instinct and
the necessary intelligence and dedication to compete with MS and proprietary
vendors. They give their crap code (Gnome, Dia, Planner, Kivio, Nexuiz,
OpenOffice, etc) away because they have to - nobody will buy it.
Moshe Goldfarb.
> Homer wrote:
>
>>> Both DFS and Roy hammer on a restricted (and thus biased) agenda.
>>> Roy's topics, however, are much broader than DFS's monomaniacal
>>> rantings. Plus, Roy is generally pleasant.
>
> Roy's a piece of dishonest lying hypocrite shit who quotes anything that's
> remotely against MS, no matter how stupid or old or contradictory. He posts
> 50 to 70 times a day, many of them containing 10 'recent' or 'related'
> entries (some of which are dead links), then claims none of it is automated.
> He's a liar.
There is absolutely no question about it.
What you have to look at is the *length* of the posts, the number of
references, the repeated *related* sections, complete with broken or
incorrect links and the formatting and misspellings that propagate on and
on through subsequent posts.
Then there is the *canned* comments which are also a giveaway.
Then there is the spewing of this information all over the place within
minutes of each other on various sites.
Come on already, can COLA Linux users be *that* ignorant.
And if that wasn't enough, then there is the motive.
Why?
For the goodness of Linux?
I don't think so....
Neither do some of the people who have emailed me.
The pieces to the puzzle are starting to fall into place.
>
>
>> Roy is also on the morally /right/ side of the argument.
>
> Then why, to this day, does that "moral" fool's resume contain Windows and
> various proprietary technologies? Answer: so he can get a better job making
> more money and using proprietary software. What, you think he truly
> advocates and uses only Linux and open source?
Because like Mark Kent and others he is a true hypocrite.
And you *Mark* my words, when/if Schestowitz ever gets out of school and
manages to invent some kind of technology in his chosen field, he will be
THE FIRST ONE to sell out, patent it and protect his cash cow using every
single method the law allows.
He is laughing at the loons in COLA.
>
>
>> Indeed none
>> of the Trolls have ever even attempted any justification for their
>> morally untenable position,
>
> There's no morality in closed- vs open-source software, you bitter lifelong
> tosser who spent his whole career working on proprietary software.
True.
>
>
>> instead hiding behind arguments about money;
>
> Who said this: "I am one of the few who agrees to those types of contracts,
> which make contractors like me a scarce commodity (and therefore, very well
> paid)."?
>
> You're a fraud and a hypocrite.
True.
>
>
>
>> market share
>
> Left side of "advocates" mouth's: Windows popularity doesn't mean it's good
>
> Right side of "advocates" mouth's: Linux popularity does mean it's good
>
> You guys are hopeless idiots sometimes.
Gartner is evil and paid by Microsoft.
Gartner says Linux is poised to take over the world.
> The problem with most Linux/OSS people is they lack a killer instinct and
> the necessary intelligence and dedication to compete with MS and proprietary
> vendors. They give their crap code (Gnome, Dia, Planner, Kivio, Nexuiz,
> OpenOffice, etc) away because they have to - nobody will buy it.
They lack organization, they don't like authority and taking direction from
a superior and they seem to lack social skills as well.
Basement programming where they are the king and nobody can tell them
anything seems to be a great outlet for them.
Put these same code monkeys in a corporate setting and many of them will
fall apart.
Not all, but a good portion.