No USB ports on Ipad!
OP
Buy one here for an additional $29 bucks.
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/reviews/entry/apple-ipad-camera-connection-kit/
More Apple "innovation!
Remember, Jobs doesn't like USB either.
7
Then buy the Marvell Linux tablet along with a zillion
others that are coming out later this year.
Developer systems already out for this one:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/03/marvell-teases-with-100-tablet-for-students/
OP
"7" <website_...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
news:2m8pn.51976$Ym4....@text.news.virginmedia.com...
Wow! You could buy six for the price of one iPad. That's about right.
KDT
> "7" <website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2m8pn.51976$Ym4....@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > OP wrote:
>
> >> You need a Dock Connector-to-USB adapter .
>
> >> Buy one here for an additional $29 bucks.
>
>
> >> More Apple "innovation!
>
> >> Remember, Jobs doesn't like USB either.
>
> > Then buy the Marvell Linux tablet along with a zillion
> > others that are coming out later this year.
>
> > Developer systems already out for this one:
>
> Wow! You could buy six for the price of one iPad. That's about right.
Yeah and they might repeat the success of Linux netbooks.....
Hadron
> OP wrote:
>
>> You need a Dock Connector-to-USB adapter .
>>
>> Buy one here for an additional $29 bucks.
>>
>> http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/reviews/entry/apple-ipad-camera-connection-kit/
>>
>> More Apple "innovation!
>>
>> Remember, Jobs doesn't like USB either.
>
> Then buy the Marvell Linux tablet along with a zillion
> others that are coming out later this year.
A zillion others. Yup. More half arsed crap with no fixed target to
leave Apple laughing all the way to the bank as the "community" ruptures
itself trying to support 2390249029039302 similar but not quite the same
alternative HW and SW combos. You're a fucking idiot 7.
Rick
Linux Based netbooks presently 30%+ of the netbook market ...
<<http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140343/
Linux_s_share_of_netbooks_surging_not_sagging_says_analyst>
<http://www.itworld.com/channel/67382/netbook-market-share-grows>
... and the return rates are a non-issue ...
<http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5214623279.html>
--
Rick
owl
Given a choice, would you prefer to have, or not to have, USB on a
portable computer-like-thingie?
Lloyd Parsons
Rick <no...@mail.invalid> wrote:
I'd have to agree. I have Ubuntu Netbook Remix on my Netbook and it is
quite good. If it had Netflix capability I would never run W7 on it
again.
--
Lloyd
Hadron
I would love to have a real USB port. Why do you ask? What the hell has
that to do with 7 being a dickhead and crowing about millions of
competing tablets?
GreyCloud
> In article <ScSdna2FdZZouDjW...@supernews.com>,
> Rick <no...@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:05:52 -0700, KDT wrote:
>>
>>>> "7" <website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:2m8pn.51976$Ym4....@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> OP wrote:
>>>>>> You need a Dock Connector-to-USB adapter .
>>>>>> Buy one here for an additional $29 bucks.
>>>>>> http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/reviews/entry/apple-ipad-camera-
>> conn...
>>>>>> More Apple "innovation!
>>>>>> Remember, Jobs doesn't like USB either.
>>>>> Then buy the Marvell Linux tablet along with a zillion others that
>>>>> are coming out later this year.
>>>>> Developer systems already out for this one:
>>>>> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/03/marvell-teases-with-100-
>> tablet...
>>> Yeah and they might repeat the success of Linux netbooks.....
>>>
>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10239390-64.html
>> Linux Based netbooks presently 30%+ of the netbook market ...
>> <<http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140343/
>> Linux_s_share_of_netbooks_surging_not_sagging_says_analyst>
>>
>> <http://www.itworld.com/channel/67382/netbook-market-share-grows>
>>
>> ... and the return rates are a non-issue ...
>> <http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5214623279.html>
>
> I'd have to agree. I have Ubuntu Netbook Remix on my Netbook and it is
> quite good. If it had Netflix capability I would never run W7 on it
> again.
>
win7 must be pretty bad. What does Netflix need in order for it to run
on Ubuntu?
GreyCloud
I did some digging around... Netflix requires DirectX.
Someone on another site sent a letter to Netflix requesting a Linux
version. Not sure how that will fly.
Lloyd Parsons
GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
> Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> > In article <ScSdna2FdZZouDjW...@supernews.com>,
> > Rick <no...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:05:52 -0700, KDT wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mar 20, 2:47Â pm, "OP" <Otto.Phil...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> "7" <website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
> >>>>
> >>>> news:2m8pn.51976$Ym4....@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> OP wrote:
> >>>>>> You need a Dock Connector-to-USB adapter .
> >>>>>> Buy one here for an additional $29 bucks.
> >>>>>> http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/reviews/entry/apple-ipad-camera-
> >> conn...
> >>>>>> More Apple "innovation!
> >>>>>> Remember, Jobs doesn't like USB either.
> >>>>> Then buy the Marvell Linux tablet along with a zillion others that
> >>>>> are coming out later this year.
> >>>>> Developer systems already out for this one:
> >>>>> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/03/marvell-teases-with-100-
> >> tablet...
> >>>> Wow! Â You could buy six for the price of one iPad. Â That's about right.
> >>> Yeah and they might repeat the success of Linux netbooks.....
> >>>
> >>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10239390-64.html
> >> Linux Based netbooks presently 30%+ of the netbook market ...
> >> <<http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140343/
> >> Linux_s_share_of_netbooks_surging_not_sagging_says_analyst>
> >>
> >> <http://www.itworld.com/channel/67382/netbook-market-share-grows>
> >>
> >> ... and the return rates are a non-issue ...
> >> <http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5214623279.html>
> >
> > I'd have to agree. I have Ubuntu Netbook Remix on my Netbook and it is
> > quite good. If it had Netflix capability I would never run W7 on it
> > again.
> >
>
> I did some digging around... Netflix requires DirectX.
> Someone on another site sent a letter to Netflix requesting a Linux
> version. Not sure how that will fly.
It requires Silverlight and DRM. Linux has the Moonlight project and
has made some inroads, but so far no luck.
--
Lloyd
Lloyd Parsons
GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
You need Silverlight and drm. The Moonlight project is behind on
version level with the current Silverlight, and doesn't do the DRM.
There is ongoing work, but at the moment the luck isn't working well.
And no, W7 isn't so bad, in fact it is the best MS has done. But
online, windows is still windows and all the malware writers love to
flock to it.
--
Lloyd
Enkidu
> win7 must be pretty bad. What does Netflix need in order for it to run
> on Ubuntu?
DRM.
--
Enkidu
owl
> owl <o...@rooftop.invalid> writes:
>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Hadron <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 7 <website_...@www.enemygadgets.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> OP wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You need a Dock Connector-to-USB adapter .
>>>>>
>>>>> Buy one here for an additional $29 bucks.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/reviews/entry/apple-ipad-camera-connection-kit/
>>>>>
>>>>> More Apple "innovation!
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember, Jobs doesn't like USB either.
>>>>
>>>> Then buy the Marvell Linux tablet along with a zillion
>>>> others that are coming out later this year.
>>>
>>> A zillion others. Yup. More half arsed crap with no fixed target to
>>> leave Apple laughing all the way to the bank as the "community" ruptures
>>> itself trying to support 2390249029039302 similar but not quite the same
>>> alternative HW and SW combos. You're a fucking idiot 7.
>>
>> Given a choice, would you prefer to have, or not to have, USB on a
>> portable computer-like-thingie?
>
> I would love to have a real USB port. Why do you ask?
Uh.. maybe the title of the thread, and 7's pointer to iPad alternatives
that *do* have USB ? Do you *work* at this or what?
> What the hell has
> that to do with 7 being a dickhead and crowing about millions of
> competing tablets?
>
7's just having fun, like *most* of us here. You need to lighten
up a little and stop taking this advocacy/anti-advocacy stuff so
seriously. Damn, are you really as miserable as you come across?
gl4...@yahoo.com
> Given a choice, would you prefer to have, or not to have, USB on a
> portable computer-like-thingie?
What other methods are available to communicate with said theoretical
computer-like-thingie?
Firewire?
Bluetooth?
Parallel printer port?
Ethernet?
WiFi?
Standard phone line?
Macintosh Infrared Communication Port?
Appletalk serial cable?
SCSI?
3.5 inch floppy disk?
5.25 inch floppy disk?
8 inch floppy disk?
Zip disk?
8 track tape player?
Syquest cartridge?
VCR tape used as network backup?
PunchCard?
Apple Desktop Bus?
Audio casette tape used as file storage?
Player piano spool?
Microfilm?
CR/DVD RW?
Cardbus?
Telegraph?
The proprietary connector used on some Garmin GPS?
Standard USB connector?
Mini USB connector?
Micro USB connector?
At some point in time, someone has to make a decision as to what data and
communication formats a particular device is going to be compatible with.
You can't make it backward compatible with everything that has ever been
on the market. My cell phone does bluetooth, and connects to the cell
phone network, and that's it. The computer connector is proprietary and
supposedly only for "qualified technicians" to do "service" on the phone.
One of the problems with USB with this type of device is: if you have USB,
do you consider this the powered device, or the connected-to device? For
example, if you connect your digital camera to the iPad to transfer
photos, you probably expect the iPad to be the source of USB power.
However, if you connect the iPad to a laptop or desktop by USB, then you
are expecting the larger computer to be the source of USB power.
I'm not necessarily saying it is the right choice, but there are certainly
some conflict problems that are resolved by going to entirely wireless
communications for such a device.
--
-Glennl
Please note this e-mail address is a pit of spam, and most e-mail sent to this address are simply lost in the vast mess.
nospam
<gl4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What other methods are available to communicate with said theoretical
> computer-like-thingie?
>
> Parallel printer port?
> 5.25 inch floppy disk?
> 8 inch floppy disk?
> Zip disk?
> 8 track tape player?
> PunchCard?
> Player piano spool?
wait just a minute. the ipad can't use any of that?
what were they thinking???
Wes Groleau
> <gl4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> What other methods are available to communicate with said theoretical
>> computer-like-thingie?
>>
>> Parallel printer port?
>> 5.25 inch floppy disk?
>> 8 inch floppy disk?
>> Zip disk?
>> 8 track tape player?
>> PunchCard?
>> Player piano spool?
>
> wait just a minute. the ipad can't use any of that?
> what were they thinking???
So an xphone instead.
xphone doesn't have a printer port, either, but it doesn't need one.
PITA to have to carry around a separate player piano, though!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlxr8t1nZM
--
Wes Groleau
"Ideas are more powerful than guns,
We would not let our enemies have guns;
why should we let them have ideas?"
-- Jozef Stalin
nospam
<Grolea...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> > wait just a minute. the ipad can't use any of that?
> > what were they thinking???
>
> So an xphone instead.
>
> xphone doesn't have a printer port, either, but it doesn't need one.
>
> PITA to have to carry around a separate player piano, though!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlxr8t1nZM
since it can make toast, i'm willing to compromise on the player piano
rolls.
Mr X
> You need a Dock Connector-to-USB adapter .
>
> Buy one here for an additional $29 bucks.
>
>
> More Apple "innovation!
>
> Remember, Jobs doesn't like USB either.
802.11n will be good enough for me. One less cable to futz with.
7
Hacked in seconds.
Eric
"OP" <Otto.P...@yahoo.com> wrote:
USB is a master slave system (unlike peer to peer Firewire). Since a Mac
or a Windows box is (via iTunes) the master to an iPad as a slave, why
should an iPad also be a USB master? That is against the original USB
spec. The iPad would also be required to supply either 100mA (or by
negotiation) 500mA to the slave, which can be a pain on a low capacity
battery. Seems like Apple are treating the camera connection kit as a
special case (probably as USB Mass Storage device).
I am hoping that the iPad can handle an EyeFi camera memory card via
WiFi (and I am also hope that some year, EyeFi cards are actually
available for sale in Australia).
gl4...@yahoo.com
<nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
I actually once had an "interesting experience" with a "portable
computer-like-thingie" that used 8 inch floppy disks. I believe it was a
Wang computer, and was considered "portable" because even though it
weighed some 150 pounds, you could unplug it from the wall and roll it
from building to building on the convenient four casters that were built
into it.
nospam
<gl4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I actually once had an "interesting experience" with a "portable
> computer-like-thingie" that used 8 inch floppy disks. I believe it was a
> Wang computer, and was considered "portable" because even though it
> weighed some 150 pounds, you could unplug it from the wall and roll it
> from building to building on the convenient four casters that were built
> into it.
apple's first portable, the mac portable, was 16 pounds. it was a
decent mac, but had the wrong name.
owl
> In article <210320100017588350%nos...@nospam.invalid>, nospam
> <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <gl4317-2103...@69-30-9-146.pxd.easystreet.com>,
>> <gl4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > What other methods are available to communicate with said theoretical
>> > computer-like-thingie?
>> >
>> > Parallel printer port?
>> > 5.25 inch floppy disk?
>> > 8 inch floppy disk?
>> > Zip disk?
>> > 8 track tape player?
>> > PunchCard?
>> > Player piano spool?
>>
>> wait just a minute. the ipad can't use any of that?
>>
>> what were they thinking???
>
>
> I actually once had an "interesting experience" with a "portable
> computer-like-thingie" that used 8 inch floppy disks. I believe it was a
> Wang computer, and was considered "portable" because even though it
> weighed some 150 pounds, you could unplug it from the wall and roll it
> from building to building on the convenient four casters that were built
> into it.
>
Sounds like my Octane III.
DFS
So your clownish answers really are meant to be clownish...it looked
that way to me...
owl
PKB
JEDIDIAH
>
>
> In article <egy9...@rooftop.invalid>, owl <o...@rooftop.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Given a choice, would you prefer to have, or not to have, USB on a
>> portable computer-like-thingie?
>
>
> What other methods are available to communicate with said theoretical
> computer-like-thingie?
>
> Firewire?
> Bluetooth?
> Parallel printer port?
> Ethernet?
> WiFi?
Standard networking would also be good.
There are a number of well developed and robust protocols that a device
of this kind could use in order to tie itself into the rest of the content
that someone might have. A nifty tablet that's closed is like being all
dolled up with no place to go.
The cult must perpetuate the idea that anything but a closed device
where your best option is to pay Steve for everything is the only thing
that "normal" people will ever be able to handle.
Nevermind that whole "Macintosh" thing.
[deletia]
--
...of course if you are forced against your will to use Windows in |||
the day time your bound to have a lot to vent about in the evening. / | \
JEDIDIAH
>
>
> In article <2s6pn.16369$3D3....@newsfe19.iad>,
> "OP" <Otto.P...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> You need a Dock Connector-to-USB adapter .
>>
>> Buy one here for an additional $29 bucks.
>>
>> http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/reviews/entry/apple-ipad-camera-connection-ki
>> t/
>>
>> More Apple "innovation!
>>
>> Remember, Jobs doesn't like USB either.
>
> USB is a master slave system (unlike peer to peer Firewire). Since a Mac
> or a Windows box is (via iTunes) the master to an iPad as a slave, why
> should an iPad also be a USB master? That is against the original USB
> spec. The iPad would also be required to supply either 100mA (or by
So the thing has different hardware that allows it to be one or the
other. It's hardly rocket science. Of course the reason to have a proper
USB port would be so that you don't have to have it tethered to a "real
computer" and can get content on and off of it without the need to go
through your iTunes account.
They're talking up the office productivity apps yet don't have any
intention of allowing the device the sort of storage options that any
other device running similar apps would be expected to have.
> negotiation) 500mA to the slave, which can be a pain on a low capacity
> battery. Seems like Apple are treating the camera connection kit as a
> special case (probably as USB Mass Storage device).
>
> I am hoping that the iPad can handle an EyeFi camera memory card via
> WiFi (and I am also hope that some year, EyeFi cards are actually
> available for sale in Australia).
nospam
<je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
> Standard networking would also be good.
>
> There are a number of well developed and robust protocols that a device
> of this kind could use in order to tie itself into the rest of the content
> that someone might have. A nifty tablet that's closed is like being all
> dolled up with no place to go.
good thing that it has standard networking then.
> The cult must perpetuate the idea that anything but a closed device
> where your best option is to pay Steve for everything is the only thing
> that "normal" people will ever be able to handle.
there's no requirement to pay steve anything (other than the initial
purchase) to use it.
nospam
<je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
> > USB is a master slave system (unlike peer to peer Firewire). Since a Mac
> > or a Windows box is (via iTunes) the master to an iPad as a slave, why
> > should an iPad also be a USB master? That is against the original USB
> > spec. The iPad would also be required to supply either 100mA (or by
>
> So the thing has different hardware that allows it to be one or the
> other.
which is additional cost. loading it up with all possible features is a
recipe for disaster.
> It's hardly rocket science. Of course the reason to have a proper
> USB port would be so that you don't have to have it tethered to a "real
> computer" and can get content on and off of it without the need to go
> through your iTunes account.
you don't have to have it tethered and can easily get content onto and
off of it.
Peter Köhlmann
Naturally not. The (apple controlled) apps are all free. And the DRM
content also will cost nothing
You are a worthy member of your cargo cult
--
Support your local Search and Rescue unit -- get lost.
Mocassin joe
"nospam" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:210320102124351389%nos...@nospam.invalid...
> In article <slrnhqdof...@nomad.mishnet>, JEDIDIAH
> <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>
>> > USB is a master slave system (unlike peer to peer Firewire). Since a
>> > Mac
>> > or a Windows box is (via iTunes) the master to an iPad as a slave, why
>> > should an iPad also be a USB master? That is against the original USB
>> > spec. The iPad would also be required to supply either 100mA (or by
>>
>> So the thing has different hardware that allows it to be one or the
>> other.
>
> which is additional cost. loading it up with all possible features is a
> recipe for disaster.
Additional cost? How much additionl cost on existing ten cent components
and mature technology?
>
>> It's hardly rocket science. Of course the reason to have a proper
>> USB port would be so that you don't have to have it tethered to a "real
>> computer" and can get content on and off of it without the need to go
>> through your iTunes account.
>
> you don't have to have it tethered and can easily get content onto and
> off of it.
So a deficiency is considered to be good to you?
JEDIDIAH
>
>
> In article <slrnhqdof...@nomad.mishnet>, JEDIDIAH
><je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>
>> > USB is a master slave system (unlike peer to peer Firewire). Since a Mac
>> > or a Windows box is (via iTunes) the master to an iPad as a slave, why
>> > should an iPad also be a USB master? That is against the original USB
>> > spec. The iPad would also be required to supply either 100mA (or by
>>
>> So the thing has different hardware that allows it to be one or the
>> other.
>
> which is additional cost. loading it up with all possible features is a
> recipe for disaster.
Another nice example of "the cult has announced a new messiah therefore
will will all shout down the old messiah and claim that he could never have
been our messiah in the first place" (macintosh).
The cult will make any excuse for the abuse (and being trapped).
>
>> It's hardly rocket science. Of course the reason to have a proper
>> USB port would be so that you don't have to have it tethered to a "real
>> computer" and can get content on and off of it without the need to go
>> through your iTunes account.
>
> you don't have to have it tethered and can easily get content onto and
> off of it.
Obvious lie.
chrisv
> "nospam" wrote:
>>
>> which is additional cost. loading it up with all possible features is a
>> recipe for disaster.
>
> Additional cost? How much additionl cost on existing ten cent components
> and mature technology?
"Additional cost" is an extremely lame, dare I say "asinine", excuse for
not having USB ports in a premium-priced product like the iPad.
nospam
<chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> "Additional cost" is an extremely lame, dare I say "asinine", excuse for
> not having USB ports in a premium-priced product like the iPad.
if the typical user isn't going to use the usb ports, it's a waste of
money, regardless of cost. the ipad is also not premium priced. in
fact, people were surprised that it didn't cost *more*.
chrisv
> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> "Additional cost" is an extremely lame, dare I say "asinine", excuse for
>> not having USB ports in a premium-priced product like the iPad.
>
>if the typical user isn't going to use the usb ports, it's a waste of
>money,
LOL
If they were there, they'd get used, by many, and hardly a "waste".
Idiot.
>regardless of cost. the ipad is also not premium priced.
Yes, it is.
>in fact, people were surprised that it didn't cost *more*.
Did you forget the word "some" in front of the word "people", Apple
fanboi?
Like many other Apple products, the "cost to purchase" is subsidized
by expected sales of applications and media.
I recently bought a Dell Linux netbook with a 1.6GHz Atom processor
for $240. Oh, and it has USB ports (and an SD-card slot).
nospam
<chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> I recently bought a Dell Linux netbook with a 1.6GHz Atom processor
> for $240. Oh, and it has USB ports (and an SD-card slot).
great. what does that have to do with an ipad?
the fact that you think the ipad is some sort of netbook replacement is
why you don't understand that the lack of usb ports makes no difference
in how a typical user will be using the device.
chrisv
>the fact that you think the ipad is some sort of netbook replacement
Idiot. I think no such thing.
I was merely pointing-out that USB ports are quite affordable, on even
the cost-sensitive products like netbooks, much less the
premium-priced iPad.
nospam
<chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> I was merely pointing-out that USB ports are quite affordable, on even
> the cost-sensitive products like netbooks, much less the
> premium-priced iPad.
different product, different use. just because a netbook has a
particular thing doesn't mean an ipad must also have it.
chrisv
> chrisv wrote:
>
>> I was merely pointing-out that USB ports are quite affordable, on even
>> the cost-sensitive products like netbooks, much less the
>> premium-priced iPad.
>
>different product, different use. just because a netbook has a
>particular thing doesn't mean an ipad must also have it.
USB ports would be "good to have" on the iPad. Stop apologizing for
Apple's customer-hostile designs.
nospam
<chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> USB ports would be "good to have" on the iPad.
why?
it's not an issue for the ipod touch, and after all, isn't the ipad
just a big ipod touch?
chrisv
> why?
Idiot.
nospam
<chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > why?
>
> Idiot.
in other words, there's no reason for separate usb ports.
that's why it's not there.
chrisv
Idiot.
nospam
<chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Idiot.
very compelling argument to add usb ports. not.
Alan Browne
> You need a Dock Connector-to-USB adapter .
>
> Buy one here for an additional $29 bucks.
>
> http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/reviews/entry/apple-ipad-camera-connection-kit/
>
> More Apple "innovation!
>
> Remember, Jobs doesn't like USB either.
Just another screwup in the iPad design. The Apple Kool-Aid goes:
"Since this is something like (but completely different than) the
iPhone, it doesn't need a USB port. But, you can connect one separately
with an adaptor. You see, the iPad is not a computer even though it is
one. This (non-computer) does run applications like a computer such as
iWork and other Apps to be sold to you via the Apps store. You can also
DL media from the iTunes store. .FVL is evil because this is not a
computer, even though it is one when we want it to be, just not when
we're trying to explain its shortcomings."
You shall not speak against the iPad nor St-Jobs:
http://www.cultofmac.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/jobs_economist_cover.jpg
--
gmail originated posts are filtered due to spam.
Alan Browne
> "Additional cost" is an extremely lame, dare I say "asinine", excuse for
> not having USB ports in a premium-priced product like the iPad.
You cannot say such things. It upsets the Kool-Aid drinkers.
JEDIDIAH
>
>
><chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> "Additional cost" is an extremely lame, dare I say "asinine", excuse for
>> not having USB ports in a premium-priced product like the iPad.
>
> if the typical user isn't going to use the usb ports, it's a waste of
Yet the sell an overpriced keyboard accessory.
Clearly they think that there is some value in allowing their users
to have access to USB type devices to a very limited degree.
Of course they derive some benefit from directing you through their
own proprietary interface.
> money, regardless of cost. the ipad is also not premium priced. in
> fact, people were surprised that it didn't cost *more*.
Mocassin joe
"chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2010.03.22....@nospam.invalid...
nospam
<je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
> Yet the sell an overpriced keyboard accessory.
it's only overpriced if nobody buys it.
> Clearly they think that there is some value in allowing their users
> to have access to USB type devices to a very limited degree.
some might want it, but not all will. that's why it's an accessory and
not built in.
> Of course they derive some benefit from directing you through their
> own proprietary interface.
you mean the standard ipod dock connector that's been around for 7
years and for which there are zillions of third party devices
available?
Alan Browne
You have no idea how the typical user may want to use USB ports. I
agree the price is agreeably lower than I expected. The factory cost of
adding 1 or 2 USB ports to the edge of the device is probably less than
$2.00 all in - call it $6.00 marked up. That beats dependence on and
adaptor many times over.
The first time someone has a USB drive with a file on it that needs to
go on the iPad (or v-v) and the adaptor is not around, the howls of
derision will begin.
Hadron
jed doesnt understand that a single HW target and single OS makes for
better applications and more return for the developers which results in
more and better QA and more redevelopment and more ... Oh. You get
it. Jed doesn't. Jed thinks Doom II is cutting edge and it takes 2 guys
a week or two to make a modern game for the PC.
In short, Jed is an idiots idiot.
nospam
<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >> "Additional cost" is an extremely lame, dare I say "asinine", excuse for
> >> not having USB ports in a premium-priced product like the iPad.
> >
> > if the typical user isn't going to use the usb ports, it's a waste of
> > money, regardless of cost. the ipad is also not premium priced. in
> > fact, people were surprised that it didn't cost *more*.
>
> You have no idea how the typical user may want to use USB ports.
neither do you.
i bet apple has a very good idea of typical usage patterns and has
sales and other data from existing products, both theirs and from
competitors, to back it up.
> I agree the price is agreeably lower than I expected. The factory cost of
> adding 1 or 2 USB ports to the edge of the device is probably less than
> $2.00 all in - call it $6.00 marked up. That beats dependence on and
> adaptor many times over.
assuming that's true, if they sell 10 million ipads in a year, that's
$20 million in additional cost since they're not going to sell it for
$505 versus $499 to make up for the cost, not to mention the costs for
software support in iphone os.
> The first time someone has a USB drive with a file on it that needs to
> go on the iPad (or v-v) and the adaptor is not around, the howls of
> derision will begin.
they haven't howled all that much for usb ports on the ipod touch.
or just get one of these: <http://www.airstash.com/>
Chris Ahlstrom
I would think USB ports are de rigeur these days.
--
He that is giddy thinks the world turns round.
-- William Shakespeare, "The Taming of the Shrew"
Wintrolls Lie
> You need a Dock Connector-to-USB adapter .
>
> Buy one here for an additional $29 bucks.
>
> http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/reviews/entry/apple-ipad-camera-
connection-kit/
>
> More Apple "innovation!
>
> Remember, Jobs doesn't like USB either.
I read this recently, forget where:
iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!
Moshe
I dunno.
I think the jury is really out on this one but my gut feeling is
that this is not going to be an iPod or iPhone.
I've been wrong before though :)
Hadron
Probably on your master's windows/apple hate site.
It's not even remotely funny. And the obvious comparison because of size
and it being a hand held unit is simply cretinous.
Wes Groleau
> iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!
Yes, and Ohio Art no doubt will be out of business within
a year of releasing that ridiculously limited piece of crap!
What? They've been selling it for fifty years? OK, but
you know their market share has to be less than fifty percent!
--
Wes Groleau
Worksheet for “Central American Migrants” Video
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/russell?itemid=1009
Moshe
> Wintrolls Lie wrote:
>> iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!
>
> Yes, and Ohio Art no doubt will be out of business within
> a year of releasing that ridiculously limited piece of crap!
>
> What? They've been selling it for fifty years? OK, but
> you know their market share has to be less than fifty percent!
And while Ohio Art is still making a fortune off of Etch A Sketch,
Linux, despite being free, can't even be given away.
Sad.....
D.F. Manno
Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> You have no idea how the typical user may want to use USB ports.
Apple does. They've done this thing called "market research," with focus
groups and surveys and stuff like that. You, on the other hand, have
just your half-assed opinion.
--
D.F. Manno
dfm...@mail.com
"Quid lucrum istic mihi est?"
DFS
Use Windows 7 for a while, then go back to a Gnome-based Linux distro
and you can see why.
Moshe
Funny you should mention that because I just did that.
I've been running Windows 7 since beta days and it totally rocks,
completely for 64bit stuff.
It does what Vista, for me, never did.
I just installed Fedora 12 to see what the fuss is.
What a piece of crap.
Looks like shit.
Performs like shit.
Can't even mange to fix a 12 month old bug in ALSA.
Ardour doesn't work.
Jack doesn't work.
Can't access my other machines.
Can't access my printer on a WinXP shared machine.
Looks horrible.
What a let down.
gl4...@yahoo.com
<chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> If they were there, they'd get used, by many, and hardly a "waste".
What type of USB device should it be? The master controller or the slave
device?
If it were a master, then it could have such things as cameras connected
to it, but then the USB protocals wouldn't allow it to be connected to a
computer, unless the computer had a slave controller in it.
If it were a slave, then you would be able to connect it to a computer,
but not to a camera.
Unfortunately USB doesn't allow for any other type of device - it must be
either a slave device or a master.
So, if you are going to have a USB port, which type of device controller
should it get?
--
-Glennl
Please note this e-mail address is a pit of spam, and most e-mail sent to this address are simply lost in the vast mess.
Harry Mudd
> You need a Dock Connector-to-USB adapter .
>
> Buy one here for an additional $29 bucks.
>
> http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/reviews/entry/apple-ipad-camera-connection-kit/
>
> More Apple "innovation!
>
> Remember, Jobs doesn't like USB either.
>
>
Why bother with USB? With USB 3.0 not due to be implemented in Intel
chipsets until next year (2011), and Intel developing Light Peak, I
think its probably a more prudent move for Apple to hold off a tad
longer, and possibly go with a Light Peak interface for iPads
requiring ultra high speed I/O bandwidth down the road.
--
Harry
Peter Köhlmann
What has USB3 to do with things?
USB2 is plenty fast enough for toys like the iPad
What the fanboiz don't want to admit is that apple deliberately chose to
screw their customers by closing that thingy as much as possible.
After all, their cargo cult members will defend every move of apple, no
matter how much it will cost them down the road
--
Modern man is the missing link between apes and human beings.
nospam
<peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
> USB2 is plenty fast enough for toys like the iPad
good thing it has usb 2 then.
> What the fanboiz don't want to admit is that apple deliberately chose to
> screw their customers by closing that thingy as much as possible.
quite the opposite, actually.
> After all, their cargo cult members will defend every move of apple, no
> matter how much it will cost them down the road
no, they just correct idiotic bullshit.
Peter Köhlmann
> In article <hoa23k$ems$02$1...@news.t-online.com>, Peter Köhlmann
> <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>> USB2 is plenty fast enough for toys like the iPad
>
> good thing it has usb 2 then.
Actually, no, it does not
You need an additional Connection Kit for that
Just stop this outright lying, it just shows how desperate you fanboiz are
>> What the fanboiz don't want to admit is that apple deliberately chose
>> to screw their customers by closing that thingy as much as possible.
>
> quite the opposite, actually.
Well, cargo cult members will never admit how much they like to be screwed
>> After all, their cargo cult members will defend every move of apple, no
>> matter how much it will cost them down the road
>
> no, they just correct idiotic bullshit.
Since you chose to simply lie, there was not much left "corrected"
--
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice which can be equally well
explained by stupidity
Hadron
A COLA regular recently posed the question : "when was Koehlmann last right
about anything technical?". It seemed no one could quite pick a time
when he was right about anything. He just spews hate and vitriol.
nospam
<peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
> >> USB2 is plenty fast enough for toys like the iPad
> >
> > good thing it has usb 2 then.
>
> Actually, no, it does not
actually, yes it does. it even includes a usb cable in the box. plug it
into a computer and transfer music, photos, videos, apps and more as
well as charge it.
> You need an additional Connection Kit for that
nope.
> Just stop this outright lying, it just shows how desperate you fanboiz are
i'm not the one who is lying.
Robert Haar
> Standard networking would also be good.
>
> There are a number of well developed and robust protocols that a device
> of this kind could use in order to tie itself into the rest of the content
> that someone might have. A nifty tablet that's closed is like being all
> dolled up with no place to go.
WiFI is standard networking. That is precisely what the 802.11 series of
standards is for.
Robert Haar
> USB ports would be "good to have" on the iPad. Stop apologizing for
> Apple's customer-hostile designs.
>
I agree but that doesn't make the tradeoffs good. It is not just the small
amount of additional circuitry needed to be a USB master. The biggest factor
is likely to be power. Many of the USB devices people would like to connect
are bus-powered, like USB hard drives. Cameras are generally self-powered so
the camera interface works. I am not willing to trade off battery life or
larger batteries to connect a USB hard drive.
Peter Köhlmann
> In article <hoa408$f29$00$1...@news.t-online.com>, Peter Köhlmann
> <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>> >> USB2 is plenty fast enough for toys like the iPad
>> >
>> > good thing it has usb 2 then.
>>
>> Actually, no, it does not
>
> actually, yes it does. it even includes a usb cable in the box. plug it
> into a computer and transfer music, photos, videos, apps and more as
> well as charge it.
>
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10443031-1.html
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/
>> You need an additional Connection Kit for that
>
> nope.
Quit lying
>> Just stop this outright lying, it just shows how desperate you fanboiz
>> are
>
> i'm not the one who is lying.
Oh, but you are.
--
Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons, For thou art crunchy, and good
with ketchup!
Rick
Why do you continue to lie? It's so..
> Sad.....
--
Rick
Rick
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:50:57 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 3/22/2010 8:19 PM, Moshe wrote:
>>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:12:01 -0400, Wes Groleau wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wintrolls Lie wrote:
>>>>> iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!
>>>>
>>>> Yes, and Ohio Art no doubt will be out of business within a year of
>>>> releasing that ridiculously limited piece of crap!
>>>>
>>>> What? They've been selling it for fifty years? OK, but you know
>>>> their market share has to be less than fifty percent!
>>>
>>> And while Ohio Art is still making a fortune off of Etch A Sketch,
>>> Linux, despite being free, can't even be given away.
>>>
>>> Sad.....
>>
>>
>> Use Windows 7 for a while, then go back to a Gnome-based Linux distro
>> and you can see why.
>
> Funny you should mention that because I just did that.
>
> I've been running Windows 7 since beta days and it totally rocks,
> completely for 64bit stuff.
> It does what Vista, for me, never did.
>
> I just installed Fedora 12 to see what the fuss is. What a piece of
> crap.
> Looks like shit.
> Performs like shit.
Why didn't you stick with Pardus, since your friend is so happy with it?
>
> Can't even mange to fix a 12 month old bug in ALSA. Ardour doesn't work.
> Jack doesn't work.
> Can't access my other machines.
> Can't access my printer on a WinXP shared machine. Looks horrible.
>
> What a let down.
As oppose to your previous comments:
"I think open document standards are a good idea......
BTW I agree that giving the Linux laptops away to students is an
excellent idea."
--
Rick
Chris Ahlstrom
> On 3/22/2010 8:19 PM, Moshe wrote:
>
> <repeated nonsense snipped>
>
> Use Windows 7 for a while, then go back to a Gnome-based Linux distro
> and you can see why.
I completely prefer Linux over Win 7, though with a Fluxbox window manager.
Going from Linux to Win 7 is like taking a bicycle from pavement to beach
sand.
--
The secret source of humor is not joy but sorrow; there is no humor in Heaven.
-- Mark Twain
Chris Ahlstrom
> In article <b4KdnVfcWJJ1ejrW...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> You have no idea how the typical user may want to use USB ports.
>
> Apple does. They've done this thing called "market research," with focus
> groups and surveys and stuff like that. You, on the other hand, have
> just your half-assed opinion.
Where does Apple do all this "research"? Outside Apple stores?
--
Your reasoning powers are good, and you are a fairly good planner.
Peter Köhlmann
More rather dumb apologies from the fanbois
Actually, what you are "not willing to trade off" ois irrelevant, as you
are not forced to connect anything.
Other people might think differently, and who are you to say they should
not?
Your cargo cult really does not spare us any idiocy to defend apples
screwing its customers
--
Modern man is the missing link between apes and human beings.
-hh
> nospam wrote:
> > In article <hoa408$f29$0...@news.t-online.com>, Peter Köhlmann
> > <peter-koehlm...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> >> >> USB2 is plenty fast enough for toys like the iPad
>
> >> > good thing it has usb 2 then.
>
> >> Actually, no, it does not
>
> > actually, yes it does. it even includes a usb cable in the box. plug it
> > into a computer and transfer music, photos, videos, apps and more as
> > well as charge it.
>
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10443031-1.html
Which admits that it has a USB-to-Dock Connector cable.
> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/
Which makes the same mistake as seen elsewhere on this thread: if
there is to be a USB port, is it to be a slave (so that it can
synchronize with its host iTunes computer) or a master (for which it
then must supply bus power)?
Essentially, there's nothing magical regarding most forms of data that
it can't be resolved by going wireless. The problem (and paradigm)
is that the traditional forms of peripherals ... external HDDs,
printers, etc ... have been wired with USB for years now, and the only
one that has jumped ... and so far, only halfway ... have been
printers.
FWIW, I was very much intrigued by that "wireless USB" adaptor that
someone posted (in this thread?) recently. Wish I could find the post
to get its name.
> >> Just stop this outright lying, it just shows how desperate you fanboiz
> >> are
>
> > i'm not the one who is lying.
>
> Oh, but you are.
Well then child, here's the deal: you're right in that it doesn't
have a literally TRADITIONAL "master" based USB port. However, that
doesn't mean that it has zero I/O capabilities.
-hh
Chris Ahlstrom
> In article <mtafq55elpvos9q2d...@4ax.com>, chrisv
> <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> If they were there, they'd get used, by many, and hardly a "waste".
>
> What type of USB device should it be? The master controller or the slave
> device?
>
> If it were a master, then it could have such things as cameras connected
> to it, but then the USB protocals wouldn't allow it to be connected to a
> computer, unless the computer had a slave controller in it.
>
> If it were a slave, then you would be able to connect it to a computer,
> but not to a camera.
>
> Unfortunately USB doesn't allow for any other type of device - it must be
> either a slave device or a master.
>
> So, if you are going to have a USB port, which type of device controller
> should it get?
Many devices allow you to pick the mode.
In any case, you're making it overly complex. USB thumb drives are
omnipresent.
nospam
<peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
> >> >> USB2 is plenty fast enough for toys like the iPad
> >> >
> >> > good thing it has usb 2 then.
> >>
> >> Actually, no, it does not
> >
> > actually, yes it does. it even includes a usb cable in the box. plug it
> > into a computer and transfer music, photos, videos, apps and more as
> > well as charge it.
>
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10443031-1.html
>
> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/
those say it lacks usb *ports*, not that it lacks usb (along with a lot
of not particularly accurate criticisms).
the kindle doesn't have usb ports either. why aren't you slamming that?
look at apple's specs, where it very clearly states that it has usb:
<http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/>
In the box
- iPad
- Dock Connector to USB Cable
- 10W USB Power Adapter
Mac system requirements
- Mac computer with USB 2.0 port
Windows system requirements
- PC with USB 2.0 port
nospam
<ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
> > Apple does. They've done this thing called "market research," with focus
> > groups and surveys and stuff like that. You, on the other hand, have
> > just your half-assed opinion.
>
> Where does Apple do all this "research"? Outside Apple stores?
why does it matter where they do the research?
nospam
<4bb226b7-622a-4ddd...@z4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, -hh
<recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> FWIW, I was very much intrigued by that "wireless USB" adaptor that
> someone posted (in this thread?) recently. Wish I could find the post
> to get its name.
nospam
<peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
> Your cargo cult really does not spare us any idiocy to defend apples
> screwing its customers
they're not being screwed at all, and they're more than capable of
deciding if a particular product meets their needs. they're generally
extremely satisfied (changewave surveys) with their choice.
if an ipad doesn't fit your needs, don't buy it. why do you care if
someone else buys one and is happy with it?
Rick
Because the "where", the "who" and the "how" can introduce bias into the
study.
For instance, using a focus group made up of water color artists probably
won't give results of how digital artists might use USB ports.
--
Rick
Mocassin joe
"D.F. Manno" <dfm...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:dfmanno-4206A7...@news.albasani.net...
> In article <b4KdnVfcWJJ1ejrW...@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> You have no idea how the typical user may want to use USB ports.
>
> Apple does. They've done this thing called "market research," with focus
> groups and surveys and stuff like that. You, on the other hand, have
> just your half-assed opinion.
Not really, Lord Jobs makes those decisions. That's why no Flash, USB, SD
Card reader or Firewire for the iPa/od.
Mocassin joe
"Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:gdgl77-...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Wintrolls Lie <wintro...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:10:50 -0400, OP wrote:
>>
>>> You need a Dock Connector-to-USB adapter .
>>>
>>> Buy one here for an additional $29 bucks.
>>>
>>> http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/reviews/entry/apple-ipad-camera-
>> connection-kit/
>>>
>>> More Apple "innovation!
>>>
>>> Remember, Jobs doesn't like USB either.
>>
>>
>> iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!
>
>
> It's not even remotely funny. And the obvious comparison because of size
> and it being a hand held unit is simply cretinous.
It kinda looks like an Etch-A-Sketch, but it's really a BIG ASSED iPOD.
Mocassin joe
"nospam" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:230320100418297640%nos...@nospam.invalid...
> In article <hoa6jo$r42$02$1...@news.t-online.com>, Peter K�hlmann
> <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>> >> >> USB2 is plenty fast enough for toys like the iPad
>> >> >
>> >> > good thing it has usb 2 then.
>> >>
>> >> Actually, no, it does not
>> >
>> > actually, yes it does. it even includes a usb cable in the box. plug it
>> > into a computer and transfer music, photos, videos, apps and more as
>> > well as charge it.
>>
>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10443031-1.html
>>
>> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/ten-things-missing-from-the-ipad/
>
> those say it lacks usb *ports*, not that it lacks usb (along with a lot
> of not particularly accurate criticisms).
>
> the kindle doesn't have usb ports either. why aren't you slamming that?
>
> look at apple's specs, where it very clearly states that it has usb:
No, it doesn't "clearly state that it has usb". It doesn't state that
anywhere. It's stupid to lie to further a spurious arguement.
nospam
<joemoc...@aol.com> wrote:
> > look at apple's specs, where it very clearly states that it has usb:
>
> No, it doesn't "clearly state that it has usb". It doesn't state that
> anywhere. It's stupid to lie to further a spurious arguement.
apparently you cannot read.
-hh
> -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> > FWIW, I was very much intrigued by that "wireless USB" adaptor that
> > someone posted (in this thread?) recently. Wish I could find the post
> > to get its name.
>
> <http://www.airstash.com/>
Ah, there it is. Thanks!
-hh
chrisv
> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
>> Yet the sell an overpriced keyboard accessory.
>
>it's only overpriced if nobody buys it.
That is *not* the definition of "overpriced" you fscking *idiot".
You *seriously* think that if a product sells unit one, that it's not
"overpriced"? You don't think people ever cough-up the money for
"overpriced" products, especially when the available products that
meet their needs are artificially restricted?
Sheesh!
>> Clearly they think that there is some value in allowing their users
>> to have access to USB type devices to a very limited degree.
>
>some might want it, but not all will. that's why it's an accessory and
>not built in.
God damn,you are stupid. "Every single user will want to use this" is
*not* the criteria for including a feature. Face it, USB devices are
useful and ubiquitous.
Sheesh!
>> Of course they derive some benefit from directing you through their
>> own proprietary interface.
>
>you mean the standard ipod dock connector that's been around for 7
>years and for which there are zillions of third party devices
>available?
And Apple charges companies how much of a licensing fee to make
devices that connect to their proprietary interface?
-hh
>
> >> If they were there, they'd get used, by many, and hardly a "waste".
>
> > What type of USB device should it be? The master controller or the slave
> > device?
>
> > If it were a master, then it could have such things as cameras connected
> > to it, but then the USB protocals wouldn't allow it to be connected to a
> > computer, unless the computer had a slave controller in it.
>
> > If it were a slave, then you would be able to connect it to a computer,
> > but not to a camera.
>
> > Unfortunately USB doesn't allow for any other type of device - it must be
> > either a slave device or a master.
>
> > So, if you are going to have a USB port, which type of device controller
> > should it get?
>
> Many devices allow you to pick the mode.
Okay, but does this variation still only cost proverbially 3 cents to
add?
And what other trades does it potentially entail on the system
configuration, design and UI?
> In any case, you're making it overly complex. USB thumb drives are
> omnipresent.
So too are kickstands on bicycles ... but for some odd reason, that
isn't an adequate justification to add a kickstand onto my scuba gear.
-hh
Mocassin joe
"nospam" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
By repeating yourself nothing changes. No USB port.
chrisv
> Alan Browne wrote:
>>
>> You have no idea how the typical user may want to use USB ports.
>
>neither do you.
Idiot.
>i bet apple has a very good idea of typical usage patterns and has
>sales and other data from existing products, both theirs and from
>competitors, to back it up.
I bet Apple has a very good idea of how to maximize profits by
constraining their customers in various ways.
>> I agree the price is agreeably lower than I expected. The factory cost of
>> adding 1 or 2 USB ports to the edge of the device is probably less than
>> $2.00 all in - call it $6.00 marked up. That beats dependence on and
>> adaptor many times over.
>
>assuming that's true, if they sell 10 million ipads in a year, that's
>$20 million in additional cost since they're not going to sell it for
>$505 versus $499 to make up for the cost, not to mention the costs for
>software support in iphone os.
Idiot. Do you think that $499 is some kind of magical perfect price?
Oh, wait, *just maybe* it just happens to be that nice, round $500
price (-1, of course, to get that all-so-popular in the retail world
pricing of X99).
*They could easily absorb that cost, you freaking idiot.*
Sheesh!
chrisv
Because asking idiot fanbois like you skews the research, *obviously*.
Sheesh!
One Shot, One Kill
"chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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STFU you stupid useless scumbag.
Mocassin joe
"-hh" <recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
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Yes, and by that convoluted reasoning there isn't justification to add a USB
port to my fishing reel. Your really stretching on this.
-hh
> nospam wrote:
> > Alan Browne wrote:
>
> >> You have no idea how the typical user may want to use USB ports.
>
> >neither do you.
>
> Idiot.
(Oh, how so highly convincing)
>
> >i bet apple has a very good idea of typical usage patterns and has
> >sales and other data from existing products, both theirs and from
> >competitors, to back it up.
>
> I bet Apple has a very good idea of how to maximize profits by
> constraining their customers in various ways.
Of course. However, that's not anything unique to Apple, or any other
business. As such, don't expect this (cough) profound observation
(cough) of your's to make the 11 o'clock news.
> >> I agree the price is agreeably lower than I expected. The factory cost of
> >> adding 1 or 2 USB ports to the edge of the device is probably less than
> >> $2.00 all in - call it $6.00 marked up. That beats dependence on and
> >> adaptor many times over.
>
> >assuming that's true, if they sell 10 million ipads in a year, that's
> >$20 million in additional cost since they're not going to sell it for
> >$505 versus $499 to make up for the cost, not to mention the costs for
> >software support in iphone os.
>
> Idiot. Do you think that $499 is some kind of magical perfect price?
> Oh, wait, *just maybe* it just happens to be that nice, round $500
> price (-1, of course, to get that all-so-popular in the retail world
> pricing of X99).
There's reams of marketing research that illustrates the power of the
"just under X" price phychology when it comes to consumer demand and
their elasticity. Here's a start on a primer for you:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_elasticity_of_demand>
> *They could easily absorb that cost, you freaking idiot.*
>
> Sheesh!
Just like GM, and so many others bailout recipients?
If its so trivial to make money, then why don't you help out by
offering to pay for the difference?
Yes, the $6 (or whatever) lost opportunity on every unit sold.
While you're at it, you can perhaps explain to us all this corporate
strategy you're suggesting, namely of:
"We lose money on every sale, but we make it up on volume".
-hh
Chris Ahlstrom
> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstr...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>
>> In any case, you're making it overly complex. USB thumb drives are
>> omnipresent.
>
> So too are kickstands on bicycles ... but for some odd reason, that
> isn't an adequate justification to add a kickstand onto my scuba gear.
Ay yi yi. No use conversing on this topic any further.
--
Exercise caution in your daily affairs.
chrisv
>Your really stretching on this.
*Guffaw*
Seeing the usefulness of a USB port on an iPad is "really stretching".
These Apple fanbois are something else, aren't they?