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Linus Torvalds: GPL-as-ethics is promoted by "sanctimonious dickheads"

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DFS

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May 31, 2011, 10:49:17 PM5/31/11
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Amen. We have a few of those sliming around here in cola.


Hadron

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Jun 1, 2011, 5:08:40 AM6/1/11
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DFS <nos...@dfs.com> writes:

> http://linuxfr.org/nodes/85904/comments/1230981
>
> Amen. We have a few of those sliming around here in cola.

So, Linux thinks Chris Ahlstom, WronG, Homer, HPT etc etc are
dickheads. He would fit in well in COLA!

,----
| Linus Torvalds : I'll answer this two very different ways, and try to
| explain why I answer it two ways.
|
| So the first and the very negative answer is that I absolutely despise
| the people who try to push the GPL as being about "ethics". I think
| that's absolute bullshit. Why? Because ethics are to me something
| private. Whenever you use it as an argument for why somebody_else should
| do something, you're no longer being ethical, you're just being a
| sanctimonious dick-head.
`----

No Linus! Ethics are about what Homer wants you to have!

RayLopez99

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Jun 1, 2011, 8:34:45 AM6/1/11
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Good one. I'll point out that Trovalds is considered by some to have
"sold out" years ago, when he accepted all kinds of money in exchange
for cooperation and endorsements.

So Linux is not even part of Linux, as the COLA diehards understand
Linux.

RL

Hardon

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Jun 1, 2011, 11:19:14 AM6/1/11
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On Tue, 31 May 2011 22:49:17 -0400, DFS wrote:

> http://linuxfr.org/nodes/85904/comments/1230981
>
>
> Amen. We have a few of those sliming around here in cola.

He certainly has you wintrolls sussed:

<quote>
In contrast, your desktop is what you see every day, and you get
attached to it. The attachment might be some kind of "stockholm
syndrome" where you really don't necessarily like it (think of all the
people who grew to know computers through DOS and Windows, and the
three-finger ctrl-alt-del salute), but even then it becomes a kind of
dependency where you get used to it and rely on it rather more
intimately than you ever end up relying on the company mainframe.
</quote>

flatfish+++

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Jun 1, 2011, 11:26:06 AM6/1/11
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Good catch!


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Chris Ahlstrom

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Jun 1, 2011, 11:32:19 AM6/1/11
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Hardon wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Tue, 31 May 2011 22:49:17 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> http://linuxfr.org/nodes/85904/comments/1230981
>>
>> Amen. We have a few of those sliming around here in cola.

Yep. They call them "Wintrolls".

> He certainly has you wintrolls sussed:
>
> <quote>
> In contrast, your desktop is what you see every day, and you get
> attached to it. The attachment might be some kind of "stockholm
> syndrome" where you really don't necessarily like it (think of all the
> people who grew to know computers through DOS and Windows, and the
> three-finger ctrl-alt-del salute), but even then it becomes a kind of
> dependency where you get used to it and rely on it rather more
> intimately than you ever end up relying on the company mainframe.
> </quote>

Linus also makes this point, the same we've been making:

And it's not really that we don't have mainstream users - Android is an
example of lots of mainstream users for Linux. The problem is that the
desktop is a difficult market to reach. There are huge amounts of
"network effects" where having existing users is a big reason to retain
them and get more new users. It's also that most people really
really don't want to change their environment, and if they do switch,
they want help and support. Where "support" is not necessarily about
commercial support, it's about knowing that you have people around you
who know the system and can give you advice etc.

Getting past that hump is hard. And it's not something that happens by
pointing at technical issues. It's often a social issue.

Even "Hadron" seems to grok that. Why can't Flounder?

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flatfish+++

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Jun 1, 2011, 11:36:29 AM6/1/11
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On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:32:19 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:


> Even "Hadron" seems to grok that. Why can't Flounder?

You sound like an idiot when you try to use techno speak....Chris
Ahlstrom.

Cool Breeze

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Jun 1, 2011, 1:20:55 PM6/1/11
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"Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Linus Torvalds just called [H]ypocrite a sanctimonious DICK-HEAD.

Gotta love how bruttaly honest Linus is.


flatfish+++

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Jun 1, 2011, 1:28:46 PM6/1/11
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Linus has no use for cracked pots like [Homer] or hypocrites like Chris
Ahlstrom.

He calls them as he sees them rather than bending and caving in just so
as not to offend people.

Very unlike Chris Ahlstrom who is too afraid of being ostracized to
criticize Linux.

Kari Laine

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Jun 1, 2011, 2:32:24 PM6/1/11
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It does not matter but I personally think that FOSS movement is more
than just have fun and toy with programming. About ethics .... well I
have not been very ethic person in my whole life - so I pass.

But the idea that poor people can have computing with Linux is very good
thing - or do some one object?

Microsoft does not have any other competition left than Linux and BSD.
If these two would be gone - is that a good thing?

I would not have any problem with Microsoft if it had about 50% of the
desktop market share.

And now Microsoft goes round "making deals you can not other than
accept" in godfather style. Amazon is the latest score - is that a good
thing?

I have been learning programming for few years now. Newer really cut my
teeth on anything big yet. I am very interested about the Wine because
it should be possible to write a emulation layer. The state of Wine is
far from perfect. I hope developers will start contribute. There will be
Windows only programs to the end of universe so Linux better to support
them.

Kari

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Cool Breeze

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"Kari Laine" <karit...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>


> Microsoft does not have any other competition left than Linux and BSD. If
> these two would be gone - is that a good thing?
>

So in your village nobody ever heard of Apple Computers - the largest tech
company in the world?


Homer

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Jun 1, 2011, 7:51:59 PM6/1/11
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Verily I say unto thee, that DooFy spake thusly:
>
> http://linuxfr.org/nodes/85904/comments/1230981

Is that the same Linus Torvalds who supported Tivo's decision to prevent
customers modifying the Linux kernel and other Free Software on their
own legally purchased property? Is that the same Linus Torvalds who only
/has/ the Linux kernel in its current state, as used in billions of
devices and by tens of thousands of companies across the world, because
of the voluntary help he received (and continues to receive) from others
to improve it?

He's quick to criticise Free Software advocates because they promote the
ethics of freedom to others, whilst he greatly benefits from that
freedom, but he doesn't seem to have much problem with Tivo taking
others' freedom away, and dictating what they may do with their own
property.

In his own words, what a sanctimonious dick-head. He's also a
hypocritical, morally deficient, selfish, ungrateful bastard.

Isn't it about time he stopped pretending to be a Free Software
developer, and pissed off to let the actual contributors get on with it,
without his arrogant, megalomaniacal bullshit?

--
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http://slated.org | ~ Libertarian propagandist Keith
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Snit

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Jun 1, 2011, 9:11:42 PM6/1/11
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Homer stated in post vtvib8-...@sky.matrix on 6/1/11 4:51 PM:

> Verily I say unto thee, that DooFy spake thusly:
>>
>> http://linuxfr.org/nodes/85904/comments/1230981
>
> Is that the same Linus Torvalds who supported Tivo's decision to prevent
> customers modifying the Linux kernel and other Free Software on their
> own legally purchased property? Is that the same Linus Torvalds who only
> /has/ the Linux kernel in its current state, as used in billions of
> devices and by tens of thousands of companies across the world, because
> of the voluntary help he received (and continues to receive) from others
> to improve it?
>
> He's quick to criticise Free Software advocates because they promote the
> ethics of freedom to others, whilst he greatly benefits from that
> freedom, but he doesn't seem to have much problem with Tivo taking
> others' freedom away, and dictating what they may do with their own
> property.

What freedom has TiVo taken away? They have hardware restrictions on the
hardware they sell. So? What makes you think they have an obligation to
sell hardware other than what they sell?

> In his own words, what a sanctimonious dick-head. He's also a
> hypocritical, morally deficient, selfish, ungrateful bastard.

Gee, what a great "advocate" you are.

> Isn't it about time he stopped pretending to be a Free Software
> developer, and pissed off to let the actual contributors get on with it,
> without his arrogant, megalomaniacal bullshit?

He is not attacking people for exercising their freedom... so you lash out
like that. Amazing.

--
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flatfish+++

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Jun 1, 2011, 10:14:07 PM6/1/11
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On Thu, 2 Jun 2011 00:51:59 +0100, Homer wrote:

> Verily I say unto thee, that DooFy spake thusly:
>>
>> http://linuxfr.org/nodes/85904/comments/1230981
>
> Is that the same Linus Torvalds who supported Tivo's decision to prevent
> customers modifying the Linux kernel and other Free Software on their
> own legally purchased property? Is that the same Linus Torvalds who only
> /has/ the Linux kernel in its current state, as used in billions of
> devices and by tens of thousands of companies across the world, because
> of the voluntary help he received (and continues to receive) from others
> to improve it?
>
> He's quick to criticise Free Software advocates because they promote the
> ethics of freedom to others, whilst he greatly benefits from that
> freedom, but he doesn't seem to have much problem with Tivo taking
> others' freedom away, and dictating what they may do with their own
> property.
>
> In his own words, what a sanctimonious dick-head. He's also a
> hypocritical, morally deficient, selfish, ungrateful bastard.
>
> Isn't it about time he stopped pretending to be a Free Software
> developer, and pissed off to let the actual contributors get on with it,
> without his arrogant, megalomaniacal bullshit?

Your tinfoil suit is on too tight [Homer].

Linus does more for Linux in 2 minutes than you have done in a lifetime.

DFS

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Jun 2, 2011, 12:30:02 AM6/2/11
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On 6/1/2011 10:14 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2011 00:51:59 +0100, Homer wrote:
>
>> Verily I say unto thee, that DooFy spake thusly:
>>>
>>> http://linuxfr.org/nodes/85904/comments/1230981
>>
>> Is that the same Linus Torvalds who supported Tivo's decision to prevent
>> customers modifying the Linux kernel and other Free Software on their
>> own legally purchased property? Is that the same Linus Torvalds who only
>> /has/ the Linux kernel in its current state, as used in billions of
>> devices and by tens of thousands of companies across the world, because
>> of the voluntary help he received (and continues to receive) from others
>> to improve it?
>>
>> He's quick to criticise Free Software advocates because they promote the
>> ethics of freedom to others, whilst he greatly benefits from that
>> freedom, but he doesn't seem to have much problem with Tivo taking
>> others' freedom away, and dictating what they may do with their own
>> property.
>>
>> In his own words, what a sanctimonious dick-head. He's also a
>> hypocritical, morally deficient, selfish, ungrateful bastard.
>>
>> Isn't it about time he stopped pretending to be a Free Software
>> developer, and pissed off to let the actual contributors get on with it,
>> without his arrogant, megalomaniacal bullshit?
>
> Your tinfoil suit is on too tight [Homer].
>
> Linus does more for Linux in 2 minutes than you have done in a lifetime.


You got it.

[H]ypocrite is a frothing loser. Torvalds is anything but a hypocrite
or selfish ingrate; absent his GPL release of Linux, [H]omer couldn't
freeload software as he's done for the past 10 years.


Kari Laine

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Jun 2, 2011, 1:40:31 AM6/2/11
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Oh ... :-)

Chris Ahlstrom

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Jun 2, 2011, 6:13:59 AM6/2/11
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Homer wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Verily I say unto thee, that DooFy spake thusly:
>>
>> http://linuxfr.org/nodes/85904/comments/1230981
>
> Is that the same Linus Torvalds who supported Tivo's decision to prevent
> customers modifying the Linux kernel and other Free Software on their
> own legally purchased property? Is that the same Linus Torvalds who only
> /has/ the Linux kernel in its current state, as used in billions of
> devices and by tens of thousands of companies across the world, because
> of the voluntary help he received (and continues to receive) from others
> to improve it?
>
> He's quick to criticise Free Software advocates because they promote the
> ethics of freedom to others, whilst he greatly benefits from that
> freedom, but he doesn't seem to have much problem with Tivo taking
> others' freedom away, and dictating what they may do with their own
> property.
>
> In his own words, what a sanctimonious dick-head. He's also a
> hypocritical, morally deficient, selfish, ungrateful bastard.
>
> Isn't it about time he stopped pretending to be a Free Software
> developer, and pissed off to let the actual contributors get on with it,
> without his arrogant, megalomaniacal bullshit?

You've been trolled by 0xd00f.

--
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It is the UNIX shell that makes it possible to do applications in a small
fraction of the code and time it takes in third generation languages. In
the shell you process whole files at a time, instead of only a line at a
time. And, a line of code in the UNIX shell is one or more programs,
which do more than pages of instructions in a 3GL. Applications can be
developed in hours and days, rather than months and years with traditional
systems. Most of the other 4GLs available today look more like COBOL or
RPG, the most tedious of the third generation languages.

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Homer

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Jun 2, 2011, 6:54:39 AM6/2/11
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Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:

> You've been trolled by 0xd00f.

He was the messenger, but it was Torvald's message that I find
offensive.

TomB

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Jun 2, 2011, 7:20:17 AM6/2/11
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On 2011-06-02, the following emerged from the brain of Homer:

> Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>
>> You've been trolled by 0xd00f.
>
> He was the messenger, but it was Torvald's message that I find
> offensive.

That's just how Torvalds is. He does that a lot, saying controversial
things just for the sake of being controversial. Also see him moving
up the kernel version number without any real reason. That said, he
does say a couple of spot-on things there, as already highlighted by
Chris.

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instinct is to laugh. But then I think, what if I was an ant, and she
fell on me. Then it wouldn't seem quite so funny.

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Jun 2, 2011, 7:28:37 AM6/2/11
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"Homer" <use...@slated.org> wrote in message
news:fo6kb8-...@sky.matrix...

> Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>
>> You've been trolled by 0xd00f.
>
> He was the messenger, but it was Torvald's message that I find
> offensive.
>

As if the opinion of a childish twit like you matters one single iota to a
man like Linus Torvalds.

In the Linux world and open source community Linus is god-like. Linus has
earned and commands the respect of a leader. You on the other hand have the
same respect as a flea on the ass of a dog.

Keep your worthless ass confined to COLA. This is where losers and hypocrite
scumbags like you belong. Leave the stewardship of Linux to the big-boys.

William J. Sprocket

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Jun 2, 2011, 7:41:16 AM6/2/11
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"Homer" <use...@slated.org> wrote in message
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> Verily I say unto thee, that DooFy spake thusly:
>>
>> http://linuxfr.org/nodes/85904/comments/1230981
>
> Is that the same Linus Torvalds who
>
Is this the same Homer who has accomplished nothing, contributed nothing and
whines all day and night to an obscure usenet group?

> Is that the same Linus Torvalds who only
> /has/ the Linux kernel in its current state, as used in billions of
> devices and by tens of thousands of companies across the world, because
> of the voluntary help he received (and continues to receive) from others
> to improve it?
>

Yes, it is the same Linus Torvalds who is a *leader* in the Linux community.
The same Linus Torvalds who's work over the past 20 years has created the OS
that millions of people use. Unlike whiners you, he has contributed to Linux
and free software.

> He's quick to criticise Free Software advocates because they promote the
> ethics of freedom to others,
>

Your faux ethics are a joke [H]ypocrite.


> In his own words, what a sanctimonious dick-head. He's also a
> hypocritical, morally deficient, selfish, ungrateful bastard.
>

On your best day you are not 1/100th of the man he is. In your entire life
you will not accomplish 1% of what he does every day. When you die of lung
cancer and pass away nobody will give a shit that a useless whining dick
head like you ever existed. When the day comes that Linus dies it will be
news around the world.


> Isn't it about time he stopped pretending to be a Free Software
> developer, and pissed off to let the actual contributors get on with it,

Isn't it about time you prentended to be anything but the whining
sanctimonious worthless piece of shit that you really are.


> without his arrogant, megalomaniacal bullshit?

What to see arrogan, meglomaniacal bullshit - try reading your own post. A
worthless fuck like you is completely irrelevant.

Chris Ahlstrom

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Jun 2, 2011, 8:36:00 AM6/2/11
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Homer wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:


>
>> You've been trolled by 0xd00f.
>
> He was the messenger, but it was Torvald's message that I find
> offensive.

I'd cut him a little slack. ;->

--
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chrisv

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Jun 2, 2011, 9:28:02 AM6/2/11
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TomB wrote:

> Homer wrote:
>>
>> Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>>
>>> You've been trolled by 0xd00f.
>>
>> He was the messenger, but it was Torvald's message that I find
>> offensive.
>
>That's just how Torvalds is. He does that a lot, saying controversial
>things just for the sake of being controversial. Also see him moving
>up the kernel version number without any real reason. That said, he
>does say a couple of spot-on things there, as already highlighted by
>Chris.

He makes a lot of sense, IMO.

However, there's no excuse for him to use the word "despise", when
something like "don't understand" or "strongly disagree with" would
get the point across. There's no reason to despise people who
honestly believe that they are doing the right thing.

So, he's an arrogant jerk who makes a lot of sense.

Chico

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Jun 2, 2011, 9:42:59 AM6/2/11
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shit "chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:km3fu6tirp5sucjqh...@4ax.com...

shut the fsck up and quit lieing you stupid fscking asshole.

there is not anybody on the planet that gives a shit what a useless asshole
turd like you thinks about Linus.

"chrisv" is a liar. "chrisv" is a piece of shit.


flatfish+++

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Jun 2, 2011, 10:41:58 AM6/2/11
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The radical loon Linux community is turning on Linus already because of
those comments.

It's just another example of how you are either 100 percent with these
Loons or you are the enemy.

I'll bet they eat their young too.

Homer

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Jun 2, 2011, 11:42:30 AM6/2/11
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Verily I say unto thee, that TomB spake thusly:

> On 2011-06-02, the following emerged from the brain of Homer:
>> Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>>
>>> You've been trolled by 0xd00f.
>>
>> He was the messenger, but it was Torvald's message that I find
>> offensive.
>
> That's just how Torvalds is. He does that a lot, saying controversial
> things just for the sake of being controversial.

He reminds me a little too much of Ballmer, who projects himself as a
larger-than-life, charismatic superstar, engaging in innocuous bravado,
but this belies a deeply cynical, sneering and quite vicious personality
that I don't find in the least bit amusing or endearing.

I find his attitude towards freedom (and ethics in general) sickening,
many of his technical decisions highly questionable (e.g. the recent
version numbers farce and the Con Kolivas scandal), and his generally
libertarian world-view rather sinister. He's a Free Software opportunist
(much like Shuttleworth), not a man of principles, and as such I have no
respect for him.

He did make one substantive comment in that article, buried beneath
layers of cynicism, that I do actually agree with, and that was his
"Stockholm syndrome" explanation for why certain types of people
continue using Windows despite hating the experience, although that's
only part of the explanation. The bit he didn't talk about is the part
where Microsoft created an impenetrable fortress called a "channel" that
makes competition impossible, and forces every PC buyer to pay Microsoft
for Windows without option or recourse, whether they want it or not. But
then he probably admires that sort of thing, just as he admires
tivoisation. He is a "pragmatist", after all.

--
K. | "The poor have flat-screen TVs."
http://slated.org | ~ Libertarian propagandist Keith
Fedora 8 (Werewolf) on šky | Curtis, explaining why he thinks

kernel 2.6.31.5, up 10 days | we shouldn't tax the rich.

flatfish+++

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Get the net and white jacket.

[Homer] has escaped and is on the loose again.

Chico

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"Homer" <use...@slated.org> wrote in message
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> Verily I say unto thee, that TomB spake thusly:
>> On 2011-06-02, the following emerged from the brain of Homer:
>>> Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>>>
>>>> You've been trolled by 0xd00f.
>>>
>>> He was the messenger, but it was Torvald's message that I find
>>> offensive.
>>
>> That's just how Torvalds is. He does that a lot, saying controversial
>> things just for the sake of being controversial.
>
> He reminds me a little too much of Ballmer, who projects himself as a
> larger-than-life, charismatic superstar, engaging in innocuous bravado,

a moron that views himself as a larger than life superstar with a huge ego
and bravado would say something stupid like "I could easily accomplish the
Munich migration in 6 months."


chrisv

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Jun 2, 2011, 12:48:04 PM6/2/11
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Homer wrote:

>The bit he didn't talk about is the part
>where Microsoft created an impenetrable fortress called a "channel" that
>makes competition impossible, and forces every PC buyer to pay Microsoft
>for Windows without option or recourse, whether they want it or not.

Well, to thoroughly cover the entire "How did we get into this Windows
mess?" story would require a book. Or, at least, a doctoral thesis.
8)

--
"98% of the market seems to like it." - "True Linux advocate" Hadron
Quark

Chico

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stupid shit "chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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shut the fsck up and quit lieing you stupid piece of shit.

"chrisv" is a liar. "chrisv" is a stupid piece of shit.


Hadron

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Jun 2, 2011, 12:59:03 PM6/2/11
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DFS <nos...@dfs.com> writes:


What happened to Homer's promise to release a GPL 3 compliant Linux
distro? Did he realise he would actually have to do something himself?

Homer

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Jun 2, 2011, 4:17:14 PM6/2/11
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Verily I say unto thee, that chrisv spake thusly:

> Homer wrote:
>
>> The bit he didn't talk about is the part where Microsoft created an
>> impenetrable fortress called a "channel" that makes competition
>> impossible, and forces every PC buyer to pay Microsoft for Windows
>> without option or recourse, whether they want it or not.
>
> Well, to thoroughly cover the entire "How did we get into this Windows
> mess?" story would require a book. Or, at least, a doctoral thesis.
> 8)

That's already been written several times. Here's just one of them:

http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/index.html

I believe Microsoft co-founder, Paul Allen, recently published another,
in which he described Ballmer's attempts to shaft him because he (Allen)
was suffering from cancer.

The one word executive summary is ... "gangsters". Judge Thomas Penfield
Jackson used a very similar description:

[quote]
He went as far as to compare the company’s declaration of innocence to
the protestations of gangland killers. He was referring to five gang
members in a racketeering, drug-dealing, and murder trial that he had
presided over four years earlier.
[/quote]

http://www.kenauletta.com/finaloffer.html

DFS

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Jun 2, 2011, 5:37:42 PM6/2/11
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On 6/2/2011 12:48 PM, chrisv wrote:
> Homer wrote:
>
>> The bit he didn't talk about is the part
>> where Microsoft created an impenetrable fortress called a "channel" that
>> makes competition impossible, and forces every PC buyer to pay Microsoft
>> for Windows without option or recourse, whether they want it or not.

MS didn't create anything. The worldwide marketplace of sellers and
buyers decided on MS Windows, because it offered the best combination of
price, functionality, features, apps and hardware support.

You don't like it - so start up your own Linux-based OEM - what's
stopping you?

> Well, to thoroughly cover the entire "How did we get into this Windows
> mess?" story would require a book. Or, at least, a doctoral thesis.
> 8)


You helped as much as you could, turd.

And you still do today, hypocrite:

X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572

"I buy a lot of Windows PC's to use as test stations, and I've been
buying refurbished XP machines and have no plans to change."


flatfish+++

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Jun 2, 2011, 5:40:29 PM6/2/11
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On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 17:37:42 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 6/2/2011 12:48 PM, chrisv wrote:
>> Homer wrote:
>>
>>> The bit he didn't talk about is the part
>>> where Microsoft created an impenetrable fortress called a "channel" that
>>> makes competition impossible, and forces every PC buyer to pay Microsoft
>>> for Windows without option or recourse, whether they want it or not.
>
> MS didn't create anything. The worldwide marketplace of sellers and
> buyers decided on MS Windows, because it offered the best combination of
> price, functionality, features, apps and hardware support.

Linux netbooks once owned the market, 100 percent.
As soon as Windows netbooks were released, the Linux netbooks
disappeared.

The consumer spoke with her wallet.....


> You don't like it - so start up your own Linux-based OEM - what's
> stopping you?

Toner monkeys are don't make enough money these days.
They are becoming extinct as well.


>
>
>> Well, to thoroughly cover the entire "How did we get into this Windows
>> mess?" story would require a book. Or, at least, a doctoral thesis.
>> 8)
>
>
> You helped as much as you could, turd.
>
> And you still do today, hypocrite:
>
> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572
>
> "I buy a lot of Windows PC's to use as test stations, and I've been
> buying refurbished XP machines and have no plans to change."

Another freetard loser who talks the talk but can't bring himself to
walk the walk.

DFS

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Jun 2, 2011, 6:08:26 PM6/2/11
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On 6/2/2011 5:40 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 17:37:42 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 6/2/2011 12:48 PM, chrisv wrote:
>>> Homer wrote:
>>>
>>>> The bit he didn't talk about is the part
>>>> where Microsoft created an impenetrable fortress called a "channel" that
>>>> makes competition impossible, and forces every PC buyer to pay Microsoft
>>>> for Windows without option or recourse, whether they want it or not.
>>
>> MS didn't create anything. The worldwide marketplace of sellers and
>> buyers decided on MS Windows, because it offered the best combination of
>> price, functionality, features, apps and hardware support.
>
> Linux netbooks once owned the market, 100 percent.
> As soon as Windows netbooks were released, the Linux netbooks
> disappeared.
>
> The consumer spoke with her wallet.....

That netbook switchover took about one year. Wow!

>> You don't like it - so start up your own Linux-based OEM - what's
>> stopping you?
>
> Toner monkeys are don't make enough money these days.
> They are becoming extinct as well.

They're ALL afraid of losing their own money - so the hypocrites demand
that Dell and HP and Asus sell and support Linux systems.


>>> Well, to thoroughly cover the entire "How did we get into this Windows
>>> mess?" story would require a book. Or, at least, a doctoral thesis.
>>> 8)
>>
>>
>> You helped as much as you could, turd.
>>
>> And you still do today, hypocrite:
>>
>> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572
>>
>> "I buy a lot of Windows PC's to use as test stations, and I've been
>> buying refurbished XP machines and have no plans to change."
>
> Another freetard loser who talks the talk but can't bring himself to
> walk the walk.


It's all about the money for these posers and wannabes.

flatfish+++

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Jun 2, 2011, 6:22:02 PM6/2/11
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It's ALWAYS about the money...
And even if it isn't the freetards directly, someone, somewhere, somehow
is making a buck....
You can count on it.
And these Linux loons are fools if they don't see it.

When I used to do a lot of charity gigs, which is how I met so many
famous entertainers, I was totally amazed at how many of them STILL
enforced the riders in their contracts.

Shit like 10 dozen roses in their hotel suite, all vegan catering and so
forth...
I couldn't believe this shit.

I thought we were their for "Make A Wish" where we raised some money so
some kid with a terminal disease could meet his football hero or
something.

Not the majority, not even close, but a lot more than I would have
thought.

And the funny thing is, that football hero would show up at the kid's
home, no cameras, no press, no nothing.......The "stars" raising the
money were the real hypocrites, not the people doing the work..

All that stuff cost money, and took away from the money the cause would
have gotten.

Soured me really badly and in fact that is where I learned the phrase
"it's all about the money etc...what I wrote above".

It was an eye opener to say the least because I was totally naive.

Ever play Christmas songs for 2 hours in the children's cancer ward at a
major hospital?

I do it every year.
Every year I cry my eyes out.
It takes me weeks to recover. Those kids are a hell of a lot stronger
than I am.

Yet, I'm sure somewhere, someone is making a buck.
They always do.
Some foundation, some organization, some group of primped up women and
men paying $1000/plate just to be seen with "stars" (not me)....

Freetards need to learn that IBM, Google, FSF will toss them under the
bus.
Oh yea, they will give them a bone now and then to make it look good,
but when you factor in how much money these companies are making off the
works of the freetards, it all comes into perspective.

SUCKERS......

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