Cola poster stats July02
Terry Porter@gronk.porter.net
Anti-Linux posters = "WT"
The Linux advocates as usual are *vastly* outnumbering the Wintrolls
these days :)
Turquoise SuperStat 2.2 * Message area statistics
=================================================
(c) Copyright 1998-2001 Peter Karlsson
This report covers 16983 messages that were received at this system
between 2002-06-26 02:30:56 and 2002-07-27 23:30:37
(written between 2002-05-28 23:43:03 and 2002-07-04 01:15:15)
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Toplist of writers
Place Name Msgs Bytes Quoted
1. GreyCloud <cum...@mist.com> 964 1365656 22.2%
2. rapskat <rap...@hotmail.com> 583 892630 39.8%
3. mjt <mtobler@removethis_sbcglobal.net> 552 673507 33.2%
4. Jim Richardson <war...@eskimo.com> 528 964016 16.4%
5. Matthew Gardiner <mat...@mysun.com> 507 654643 2.0%
6. Johan Lindquist <sp...@smilfinken.net> 473 540608 37.1%
7. Simon Cooke EASEsimonREMOVEcooke@THEearthlinkTE 468 WT
8. Terry Por...@gronk.porter.net <tjpo...@gronk.port 437 586803 44.4%
9. Florian S. <shadowst...@yahoo.de> 411 338398 66.7%
10. Erik Funkenbusch <er...@visi.com> 382 WT
11. Peter Köhlmann <Peter.K...@t-online.de> 350 482930 72.1%
12. Sinister Midget <kcs...@k.c-r.r.com> 331 636083 55.0%
13. Richard Revis <ne...@spamtrap.bottest.com> 324 299734 35.0%
14. Charlie Ebert <kd...@mmcable.com> 301 504737 61.6%
15. Roy Culley <r...@swissonline.ch> 283 384104 52.0%
16. Donn Miller <dmmi...@cvzoom.net> 262 235434 30.8%
17. Linonut <lin...@bone.com> 245 195696 55.9%
18. Bo Grimes <vgr...@sc.rr.com> 236 333894 50.6%
Billy O'Connor <bi...@oconnoronline.net> 236 193821 58.4%
20. Don't have a cow man... <Dar...@BartSimpsonNOT.com 232 401626 77.3%
alt <a...@some.tld> 232 282313 61.8%
22. General Protection Fault <Gene...@localhost.loca 228 WT
23. . <yt...@mutilation.net> 213 266857 69.0%
24. Paul Cooke <pa...@cooke100.freeserve-nospam.co.uk> 192 206870 51.3%
25. Mike. <rapaci...@gingin.net> 190 224246 30.9%
26. Pete Goodwin <pgoo...@sensaura.REMOVE.TO.REPLY.co 188 WT
27. The Ghost In The Machine <ewi...@earthlink.net> 178 356125 33.6%
28. mlw <ma...@mohawksoft.com> 173 188282 55.4%
29. TuxTrax <Tux...@fortress.tuxnet.net> 161 366883 47.3%
30. Joe Potter <j...@home.org> 157 138902 62.6%
31. Kenneth Downs <ex...@downsfam.net> 153 417945 27.5%
32. mjcr <mj...@mindspring.com> 139 460178 16.5%
33. cybear <cyb...@pacbell.net> 136 138709 67.1%
34. Ilari Liusvaara <noad...@porn.org> 124 131399 36.4%
35. kickaha <nomai...@devnull.net> 120 152243 59.0%
Bob Hauck <b...@this-is.invalid> 120 95856 34.4%
37. Matthias Warkus <mawa...@gnome.org> 116 106792 37.3%
38. Greg Cox <gr...@magivark.com> 110 242282 77.2%
39. Mart van de Wege <mvdwege.usenet@drebbelstraat20.d 109 156859 50.1%
40. D. C. Sessions <d...@lumbercartel.com> 107 103047 61.6%
Nigel Feltham <nigel....@btinternet.com> 107 95200 44.5%
42. Bones <Bo...@you.should.know> 106 123035 27.5%
43. SubZero <fho...@ebpurfgre.ee.pbz> 98 WT
44. michael brown <n5...@nospam.earthlink.net> 93 164919 50.5%
45. Craig Kelley <i...@inconnu.isu.edu> 92 133311 47.9%
46. Joel Mayes <j.m...@optushome.com.au> 89 113861 42.4%
47. Stuart Fox <stua...@diespamdie.hotmail.com> 82 96271 66.8%
48. Lee Sau Dan <dan...@informatik.uni-freiburg.de> 81 105771 10.1%
49. Patrik Backhuvud <patrik.b...@nospam.sitemoto 79 WT
Tom Gough <gou...@email.com> 79 79954 71.2%
51. Rich Bell <rg_...@nvbell.net> 78 WT
52. Jimbo <jwoo...@hotmail.com> 77 127361 70.0%
53. kevin wilcox <fer...@dumbledore.hogwarts> 72 97250 55.8%
54. Tim Smith <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> 71 72045 26.4%
55. Jan <jan....@yucom.be> 69 75472 51.3%
GeneralPF <y...@must.be.joking.mil> 69 WT
Colin Day <coli...@telocity.com> 69 63220 83.5%
58. Ed Cogburn <ecog...@xtn.net> 65 113372 62.0%
59. Kadaitcha Man <hahah...@fooq.com> 62 WT
Chronos Tachyon <chr...@chronos.dyndns.org.no.spa 62 80628 37.8%
61. Jazz <ja...@nowhere.org> 58 72179 55.4%
Jerry Nash <jry...@attglobal.net> 58 71676 74.1%
63. David Mohring <her...@heretic.ihug.co.nz> 55 131135 21.4%
64. Quantum Leaper <lea...@bigfoot.com> 54 82860 70.5%
Edgar Allen <eal...@allenhome.kc.rr.com> 54 78064 33.5%
Peter Hayes <pe...@seahaze.demon.co.uk> 54 60190 59.0%
67. Rob Hughes <r...@robhughes.com> 51 56136 38.8%
jackson <o51...@yahoo.com> 51 49630 43.9%
69. Tsu Dho Nimh <aba...@hotmail.com> 49 40728 40.1%
70. Paolo Ciambotti <pac...@fuckmicrosoft.com> 48 28424 41.4%
71. Rick <rha...@excite.com> 47 69603 79.3%
Michael Vester <michaelvester@delthispartshaw..ca> 47 58413 67.9%
Ian Pegel <IanP...@netscape.net> 47 25079 49.2%
74. timeOday <timeOda...@theknack.net> 46 51882 72.9%
75. WarpKat <war...@nointegrity.org> 45 46749 51.8%
76. Bigby <bml...@myglo.net> 44 40854 71.6%
77. Mark Hall <mark...@linuxmail.org> 43 WT
Yan Seiner <y...@oberon.cardinal.lan> 43 42436 36.1%
79. Alan Baker <AlanG...@telus.net> 42 106842 69.9%
Brad Sims <bs...@abnt.org> 42 27168 30.0%
81. Dave Martel <nos...@nospam123.com> 41 42118 67.7%
Jim Lascola <jimla...@yahoo.com> 41 35477 67.1%
83. Klaas Vaak <kl...@vaak.net> 40 54370 74.0%
Mike <mi...@nospam.com> 40 WT
Steve <sshe...@millenianet.com> 40 39059 19.2%
86. Ryan Mallon <looseca...@hotmail.com> 39 35237 36.6%
chrisv <chr...@chrisv.com> 39 17427 56.0%
88. Bob Young <BYo...@NuCoreTech.Com> 38 88601 40.5%
Russ <lyt...@earthlink.net> 38 74978 74.3%
Marky Mark <nos...@spamnot.net> 38 WT
Rob S. Wolfram <aze...@hamal.xs4all.nl> 38 57072 47.9%
Tom Wilson <twi...@goliath.tomhome.net> 38 40077 53.2%
philicorda <philicordaNO...@ntlworld.com> 38 32714 41.6%
94. Cat <MyRealEmailAddressIs@OnMyWebSite_ratrobot.com 37 38488 17.0%
95. Jim Trice <nothappyj...@senet.com.au> 36 63383 56.1%
freefall <no...@nowhere.com> 36 WT
97. Max Burke <mlvburke@%$%#@.nz> 32 WT
Sam Richards <n...@spam.com> 32 WT
99. Eric W. Sarjeant <er...@nospam.sarjeant.com> 31 30331 21.3%
100. The Beaver <leave_it_...@yahoo.com> 29 WT
A total of 703 people were identified.
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Toplist of subjects
Place Subject Msgs Bytes
1. software piracy on the rise 259 530337
2. XP Service Pack Does the Impossible 239 469193
3. Enquiry regarding Linux in Mission Critical situation 193 272004
4. I'm tired of your linux crap. 187 339563
5. ALERT! SUSE LINUX A WASTE OF MONEY! 185 372592
6. How do you do this with Windows? 179 256394
7. Computer Science 178 248965
8. 3 for 3 175 289977
9. Installing NVidia drivers- blatent troll 168 245967
10. Cola Stats for May02 146 179323
11. Terry Porter: A valued, intelligent and respected regular 124 138892
12. I have had enough of Linux 123 131227
13. csma gets worser and worser 121 173297
14. GNU/Linux systems 111 120938
15. I am so winwashed! 110 152973
16. Reinstalling Mindset 109 173848
17. How RedHat's Linux Can Defeat Micr$oft's Windoze 106 102765
18. Linux Bill Introduced in Finland 104 135662
19. More comp.linux.os.advocacy member lies. (was Re: 3 for 3 103 146812
20. It is now official, Germany.... 101 102248
21. The state of Linux is a mess. 99 219365
[OT] From whence doth thou hail? 99 91664
23. A little bit of advocacy 93 109642
24. Root an Apache box on *BSD or Linux or Solaris (x86) 92 140806
Microsoft takes heavy losses on the Xbox 92 133563
26. Uhhhh hello? Security? Privacy? 86 133380
27. Linux mainstream 85 141018
28. Terry Porter Goes Looking For Trolls 83 105087
29. windows softwares for linux 82 122435
What to call MS's Operating System 82 72309
31. C++ Compiler question - VC++ compatibility 81 101586
32. The broad knowlegebase of the Penguinista 80 267378
Terminal Velocity... 80 91328
34. Please help 79 112947
35. Why you should be upset about United Linux 78 105631
Why is emacs better than Visual C++? 78 84511
37. Time to leave the group.........Unless things improve 76 133650
38. Nader: Here's how to hurt Microsoft 75 134342
Accounting says wipe XP 75 118264
40. Opology to the newsgroup... 74 77710
41. ...And I didn't even have to sacrifice any goats 69 120305
XP SUCKS 69 85026
Ok ... You WON!!! 69 70709
Congratulations, Linvocates! 69 70146
45. Mandrake Install Oddities... 68 98368
Walmart Bucks Microsoft 68 81823
47. All You Need Is Love, $50 Billion, and Killer Software Co 66 79851
48. Visual Studio .NET - A Few Things You Should Know ... [LO 65 138382
Linux is coming up... 65 72999
One more reason I use Linux 65 66645
51. So much for your precious open source is safe and linux i 64 142664
what junk 64 78363
53. Micro-Soft vs. Open Source gets Political 63 88195
JPEG virus!!!!!!! 63 86353
The MS-Office "standard" Myth 63 64441
Please killfile Nemesis 63 57492
57. Linux for the XBox? 62 66339
58. Can your precious linux do something like this? 61 75069
MS$ at It Again 61 68197
60. Instructions for the SSH challenged .... 60 90446
Another blatant attempt to discredit Linux and Users of i 60 86698
Your Distros 60 55171
Major Linux kernel bug found by AMD! 60 53714
64. The usual (yawn) suspects: 59 70495
65. Anti-advocates 58 86061
Is Linux at fault? 58 74848
67. is there an MS Exchange alternative for Linux? 57 59552
68. ZDNET poll on prefered desktops. 56 97187
I'm with flatty 100% 56 69321
Earth to Microsoft....its the software dick head. 56 49681
71. My animosity towards *free* software 55 69062
72. Proposal to deal with OE posters on Cola 54 51674
73. A really really dumb question... 53 95797
Suggestions for Advocating Linux to Hardcore Gamers... 53 82090
75. The Beginning Of The End For Micro$oft Reign Of Terror 52 77244
It isn't just Windows vs Linux 52 74998
DARPA funds OSS security methods 52 72258
78. Can your precious linux do something like this? -- NO MY 51 153807
The difference between winusers and linusers.... 51 79784
Theory: All You Need is grep 51 70451
spot the problem 51 61613
C: A Dead Language 51 59703
83. Is United Linux a betrayal? Where is a SuSE guy to go? 50 96344
Spooky or what? 50 53372
85. If Linux isn't ready for the desktop.... 49 108361
So true it hurts! We're getting royally screwed with thi 49 62581
Microsoft Distributes Virus 49 61635
How to kill SuSE 8.0 with 2 commands 49 59362
Tipping Point 49 58442
90. So, advocates.... 48 94856
[OT] U.S. Football !!! 48 42731
92. IHMO: Linux Advocates, Turn the Other Cheek! 47 52284
Micro$oft Running Scared 47 48224
94. Linux eclipses WebTV desktop usage ! 46 49167
SuSE 8.0 Review Update 46 47718
96. Will Linux stagnate like MS? 45 90502
14 boxes just went linux at our school --- easy 45 47314
Curious.... 45 37566
99. Running Linux as a fileserver? (Samba q?) 44 95181
Enterprise architecture on Linux vs. NT 44 90532
A total of 1224 subjects were identified.
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Toplist of programs
Place Program Msgs
1. slrn 4188
2. KNode 3612
3. Microsoft Outlook Express 2107
4. Pan 2049
5. Mozilla 535
6. tin 469
7. Gnus 415
8. Forte Agent 339
9. knews 283
10. Xnews 279
11. MicroPlanet Gravity 136
12. MT-NewsWatcher 121
13. Microhard Lookout Expresstrain 107
14. Forte Free Agent 85
15. Lotus Notes Release 5.0.10 March 2 58
16. Sylpheed 25
17. Hello, 22
18. MacSOUP 21
19. Lotus Notes Release 5.0.9 November 19
20. trn 4.0-test72 11
21. Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh 7
22. Halime 5
Pine 5
WinVN 0.99.12g 5
YA-NewsWatcher 5
27. gnus 5.8.3/XEmacs 4
28. trn 4.0-test76 3
29. Mailgate Web 2
newspost 2
News Rover 6.0.2 2
Thoth 2
trn 4.0-test62 2
34. (knode 1
Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 1
trialware:1
KForteAgent for 1
FreeBSD:1
Microsoft CDO for Windows 1
2000:1
NewsWatcher-X 1
2.2.3b1:1
RNews 1
0.0.0.1):1
trn 4.0-test74 1
May:1
A total of 40 different programs (not counting different versions)
were identified.
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Donn Miller
"Terry Por...@gronk.porter.net" wrote:
> 1. slrn 4188
> 5. Mozilla 535
> 6. tin 469
Also, don't forget that those three newsreaders above run under multiple
operating systems as well. It might be good to break each one down by
OS. For example, some of my posts show that I've used slrn, Mozilla,
and tin under both FreeBSD and Linux. In the case of tin, some show
that "Cygwin ME" is the OS I've used.
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GreyCloud
>
> Ha all, here is this months stats:-
>
> Anti-Linux posters = "WT"
>
> The Linux advocates as usual are *vastly* outnumbering the Wintrolls
> these days :)
>
> Turquoise SuperStat 2.2 * Message area statistics
> =================================================
>
> (c) Copyright 1998-2001 Peter Karlsson
>
> This report covers 16983 messages that were received at this system
> between 2002-06-26 02:30:56 and 2002-07-27 23:30:37
> (written between 2002-05-28 23:43:03 and 2002-07-04 01:15:15)
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Toplist of writers
>
> Place Name Msgs Bytes Quoted
> 1. GreyCloud <cum...@mist.com> 964 1365656 22.2%
Looks like I'm going to have to put in some extra effort to
trim my posts. :-(
Terry Porter@gronk.porter.net
and this is what they wrote:
>
>
> "Terry Por...@gronk.porter.net" wrote:
>
>> 1. slrn 4188
>
>> 5. Mozilla 535
>> 6. tin 469
>
> Also, don't forget that those three newsreaders above run under multiple
> operating systems as well. It might be good to break each one down by
> OS. For example, some of my posts show that I've used slrn, Mozilla,
> and tin under both FreeBSD and Linux. In the case of tin, some show
> that "Cygwin ME" is the OS I've used.
Nahh thats too hard, so instead we are just going to ban BSD ;-)
Terry Porter@gronk.porter.net
and this is what they wrote:
>> Toplist of writers
>>
>> Place Name Msgs Bytes Quoted
>> 1. GreyCloud <cum...@mist.com> 964 1365656 22.2%
>
> Looks like I'm going to have to put in some extra effort to
> trim my posts. :-(
Nahh, you're our senior citizen here Grey, just post as you like, as
your posts will still contain a lot less junk than the Wintrolls :)
Donn Miller
> Nahh thats too hard, so instead we are just going to ban BSD ;-)
Ok, we ban all posters posting from NetBSD. :) I hadn't run NetBSD for
a while. I checked on the web site, and it looks like all my laptop's
HW is supported. Of all the free unices out there: FreeBSD, Linux,
NetBSD, and perhaps even Darwin -- it's driving me crazy. I did try
Darwin, and it did look very interesting with it's spiffy Mach kernel.
I was kinda lost, though, in a big way! I couldn't figure out how to
mount floppies under Darwin, and hence, couldn't compile the drivers for
my ethernet card. I may take another stab at Darwin, although I'd have
to put everything on one big massive partition. Darwin's concept of
partitions and slices could use a little refinement.
The first thing that struck me about Darwin is that when I booted the
install CD, the text covered the entire 1024x768 area of my laptop's LCD
screen, instead of the usual 640x480 little rectangle. :) Linux takes
it one step further with its kernel framebuffer, so I can get 800x600 on
my laptop. But Darwin indeed reigns supreme, using up every bit of
screen real-estate in textmode. Too bad Vesa 2.0 mode is so
excruciatingly slow for pure text...
Pete Goodwin
news:slrnai4s7r....@gronk.porter.net:
> Anti-Linux posters = "WT"
> <pgoo...@sensaura.REMOVE.TO.REPLY.co 188 WT 27. The Ghost In The
I object to be listed as "WT" as it is an implied insult (aka Wintroll). If
you want to label me as WT please label all Linux advocates as LN (aka
LinoNut).
Or simply ignore me. Whatever.
--
Pete Goodwin
----
Running on Windows ME.
Bo Grimes
> "Terry Por...@gronk.porter.net" <tjpo...@gronk.porter.net> wrote in
> news:slrnai4s7r....@gronk.porter.net:
>
>> Anti-Linux posters = "WT"
>> <pgoo...@sensaura.REMOVE.TO.REPLY.co 188 WT 27. The Ghost In The
>
> I object to be listed as "WT" as it is an implied insult (aka Wintroll).
Nothing *implied* about it.
I'm not sure what the point is of "(aka Wintroll)"? That's like saying
U.S. (AKA United States). There's a difference between an alias (Also
Known As) and an abbreviation.
(Note: There *is* and *implied* insult in the second paragraph.)
--
Bo G
Registered Linux User #276375
Florian S.
> 17. Hello, 22
Interesting newsreader...
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CPU1 states: 0.1% user, 10.0% system, 0.0% nice, 88.0% idle
Peter Köhlmann
> "Terry Por...@gronk.porter.net" <tjpo...@gronk.porter.net> wrote in
> news:slrnai4s7r....@gronk.porter.net:
>
>> Anti-Linux posters = "WT"
>> <pgoo...@sensaura.REMOVE.TO.REPLY.co 188 WT 27. The Ghost In The
>
> I object to be listed as "WT" as it is an implied insult (aka Wintroll).
> If you want to label me as WT please label all Linux advocates as LN (aka
> LinoNut).
>
> Or simply ignore me. Whatever.
But you *are* a wintroll. This is no insult, it is just a fact.
If you feel insulted by this, so be it. And the linux posters need no
special designation, it is their group (ever wondered what COLA means,
Pete?)
Peter
--
"Last I checked, it wasn't the power cord for the Clue Generator that
was sticking up your ass." - John Novak, rasfwrj
rapskat
Goodwin" - dump details are as follows...
> "Terry Por...@gronk.porter.net" <tjpo...@gronk.porter.net> wrote in
> news:slrnai4s7r....@gronk.porter.net:
>
>> Anti-Linux posters = "WT"
>> <pgoo...@sensaura.REMOVE.TO.REPLY.co 188 WT 27. The Ghost In The
>
> I object to be listed as "WT" as it is an implied insult (aka Wintroll).
> If you want to label me as WT please label all Linux advocates as LN
> (aka LinoNut).
>
> Or simply ignore me. Whatever.
My offer still stands. Are you going to take me up on it or not?
--
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147 processes: 141 sleeping, 5 running, 1 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU states: 1.2% user, 1.1% system, 0.0% nice, 2.0% idle
drop the hot to mail me
A creditor is worse than a master; for a master owns only your person, a creditor owns your
dignity, and can belabour that. -- Victor Hugo.
Pete Goodwin
news:utEU8.1720$Wb5.1...@twister.southeast.rr.com:
>>> Anti-Linux posters = "WT"
>>> <pgoo...@sensaura.REMOVE.TO.REPLY.co 188 WT 27. The Ghost In The
>>
>> I object to be listed as "WT" as it is an implied insult (aka Wintroll).
>
> Nothing *implied* about it.
>
> I'm not sure what the point is of "(aka Wintroll)"? That's like saying
> U.S. (AKA United States). There's a difference between an alias (Also
> Known As) and an abbreviation.
>
> (Note: There *is* and *implied* insult in the second paragraph.)
So you guys would be happy if I referred to you as Linonuts or Shitheads?
Pete Goodwin
in news:afv912$1uu$04$1...@news.t-online.com:
>>> Anti-Linux posters = "WT"
>>> <pgoo...@sensaura.REMOVE.TO.REPLY.co 188 WT 27. The Ghost In
>>> The
>>
>> I object to be listed as "WT" as it is an implied insult (aka
>> Wintroll). If you want to label me as WT please label all Linux
>> advocates as LN (aka LinoNut).
>>
>> Or simply ignore me. Whatever.
>
> But you *are* a wintroll. This is no insult, it is just a fact.
> If you feel insulted by this, so be it. And the linux posters need no
> special designation, it is their group (ever wondered what COLA means,
> Pete?)
It is an insult. If you call me a Windows advocate I'd have no problem.
Pete Goodwin
139866.news.dfncis.de:
>>> Anti-Linux posters = "WT"
>>> <pgoo...@sensaura.REMOVE.TO.REPLY.co 188 WT 27. The Ghost In The
>>
>> I object to be listed as "WT" as it is an implied insult (aka Wintroll).
>> If you want to label me as WT please label all Linux advocates as LN
>> (aka LinoNut).
>>
>> Or simply ignore me. Whatever.
>
> My offer still stands. Are you going to take me up on it or not?
Your offer of working with me to solve the problems I'm seeing - is that
the one?
Bo Grimes
I can't speak for anyone else, but it would probably amuse me if you were
so childish as to call me a "Shithead."
But you're still missing the point. Calling you a WinTroll is *not* a
description of your character or person but of your behavior in, and only
in, this group.
It's like you went to a alt.cooking.joys.of and just because *you* couldn't
cook and because you tried it a few times and stunk, buring everything, and
so you decided that *no* *one* should cook and went there whining about it
trying to tell people how horrible cooking was and that they shouldn't do
it.
Or, even if you went there to "keep cooks honest" and make them stop acting
like cooking is easy and fun when you don't think it is. Still, it's
trolling. It's not personal; it's just what you *do* here.
rapskat
Goodwin" - dump details are as follows...
> rapskat <rap...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:afvehd$h31fc$1@ID-
Yup...ready, willing and (hopefully) able. Just let me know when.
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165 processes: 152 sleeping, 12 running, 1 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU states: 1.3% user, 1.2% system, 0.0% nice, 0.9% idle
drop the hot to mail me
Some things have to be believed to be seen. -- Ralph Hodgson.
Kenneth Downs
That's actually one of the best analogies of trolling behavior I've ever
read.
--
Ken
Linux, the more you learn, the more you love
kickaha
We'd be happy if you declined to contribute to COLA as a Wintroll.
Care to take _that_ approach?
kickaha
Well put. I like the analogy.
Simon Cooke
Let's see:
For being called names, supposedly the correct response is to run away.
Wow. How pathetic.
Why not just stop the name calling? Or are you all 5 year olds in this
newsgroup?
Simon
Jimbo
Well spoken analogy. May I archive it for future reference and use?
BTW. WB. How was the vacation?
Johan Lindquist
Kenneth Downs <ex...@downsfam.net> suddenly blurted:
> Bo Grimes wrote:
>> It's like you went to a alt.cooking.joys.of and just because *you*
>> couldn't cook and because you tried it a few times and stunk
<snip>
> That's actually one of the best analogies of trolling behavior I've ever
> read.
<AOL>me too</AOL>
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generate 24/365 interfaces
Sinister Midget
I am.
When I'm 6 I wanna learn how to plagiarize stuff from somebody really big!
Then I can make a webpage for everybody to come and look at my
copyrighted, plagiarized authentic writings when I'm 6-1/2. When I'm 7 I
wanna get a job at Micro-Soft and learn how to do funny things on
keyboards, like make 5 or 6 paragraphs out of every one I type. I know
that's already been perfected with the Outhouse group of products. I want
to apply my talents to getting it to work in notepad, wordpad and word. I
was thinking of a new product, maybe "Micro-Soft Works all the Same(tm)."
--
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cutesy little icons.
Matthias Warkus
...and Pete Goodwin <pgoo...@REMOVE.TO.REPLY.blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > But you *are* a wintroll. This is no insult, it is just a fact.
> > If you feel insulted by this, so be it. And the linux posters need no
> > special designation, it is their group (ever wondered what COLA means,
> > Pete?)
>
> It is an insult. If you call me a Windows advocate I'd have no problem.
It would be like calling a notorious exhibitionist "sociosexually
challenged".
SCNR,
mawa
--
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einem das Nachdenken.
-- Quelle unbekannt, zitiert von Heiko Schlenker
Bo Grimes
[snip]
> Well spoken analogy. May I archive it for future reference and use?
> BTW. WB. How was the vacation?
I won't bore you with my verbal vacation slideshow, but it was great.
Thanks for asking, and archive away. Just don't include the typos. :-)
Pete Goodwin
news:ag0gl9$192$2...@bob.news.rcn.net:
>>>>> Anti-Linux posters = "WT"
>>>>> <pgoo...@sensaura.REMOVE.TO.REPLY.co 188 WT 27. The Ghost In
>>>>> The
>>>>
>>>> I object to be listed as "WT" as it is an implied insult (aka
>>>> Wintroll).
>>>
>>> Nothing *implied* about it.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what the point is of "(aka Wintroll)"? That's like
>>> saying U.S. (AKA United States). There's a difference between an
>>> alias (Also Known As) and an abbreviation.
>>>
>>> (Note: There *is* and *implied* insult in the second paragraph.)
>>
>> So you guys would be happy if I referred to you as Linonuts or
>> Shitheads?
>>
>
> We'd be happy if you declined to contribute to COLA as a Wintroll.
> Care to take _that_ approach?
Not so long as you refer to me as a "troll".
Peter Köhlmann
How about dimwit? Would that work? Or dumb troll?
Peter
--
I just found out that the brain is like a computer.
If that's true, then there really aren't any stupid people.
Just people running Windows.
Pete Goodwin
>>>>>>> Anti-Linux posters = "WT"
>>>>>>> <pgoo...@sensaura.REMOVE.TO.REPLY.co 188 WT 27. The Ghost In
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I object to be listed as "WT" as it is an implied insult (aka
>>>>>> Wintroll).
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing *implied* about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure what the point is of "(aka Wintroll)"? That's like
>>>>> saying U.S. (AKA United States). There's a difference between an
>>>>> alias (Also Known As) and an abbreviation.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Note: There *is* and *implied* insult in the second paragraph.)
>>>>
>>>> So you guys would be happy if I referred to you as Linonuts or
>>>> Shitheads?
>>>>
>>>
>>> We'd be happy if you declined to contribute to COLA as a Wintroll.
>>> Care to take _that_ approach?
>>
>> Not so long as you refer to me as a "troll".
>>
>
> How about dimwit? Would that work? Or dumb troll?
About the level of response I'd expect from you.
Peter Köhlmann
It was a question, dimwit. Nonetheless, your reaction was expected.
A dumbass like you who can't get the easiest scripts running and so instead
butchers a perfectly healthy linux system to death would not see the
difference between a question and actually calling you so. So you are
really a dimwit and a dumb wintroll. Happy now?
Peter
--
It's sweet to be remembered, but it's often cheaper to be forgotten.
Peter Köhlmann
> On Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:42:51 +0000, "Florian S."
> <shadowst...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>>Terry Por...@gronk.porter.net wrote:
>>
>>> 17. Hello, 22
>
> Actually it's supposed to read "Hello, World!".
>
>>Interesting newsreader...
>
> That's my answer to those who have been threatening to killfile Forte
> Agent users. :)
Not a real problem to include that also.
Alternativly one could just killfile "Dave Martel" and be done with it
Peter
--
This problem was sponsored bei Microsoft
Pete Goodwin
139866.news.dfncis.de:
>>>>> Anti-Linux posters = "WT"
>>>>> <pgoo...@sensaura.REMOVE.TO.REPLY.co 188 WT 27. The Ghost In
>>>>> The
>>>>
>>>> I object to be listed as "WT" as it is an implied insult (aka
>>>> Wintroll). If you want to label me as WT please label all Linux
>>>> advocates as LN (aka LinoNut).
>>>>
>>>> Or simply ignore me. Whatever.
>>>
>>> My offer still stands. Are you going to take me up on it or not?
>>
>> Your offer of working with me to solve the problems I'm seeing - is that
>> the one?
>
> Yup...ready, willing and (hopefully) able. Just let me know when.
Should I contact you by EMail?
--
------------
Pete Goodwin
"You did not see, I was not here"
(My opinions are my own)
rapskat
Goodwin" - dump details are as follows...
> rapskat <rap...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ag0bsb$hpskf$1@ID-
> 139866.news.dfncis.de:
>
>>>>>> Anti-Linux posters = "WT"
>>>>>> <pgoo...@sensaura.REMOVE.TO.REPLY.co 188 WT 27. The Ghost In
>>>>>> The
>>>>>
>>>>> I object to be listed as "WT" as it is an implied insult (aka
>>>>> Wintroll). If you want to label me as WT please label all Linux
>>>>> advocates as LN (aka LinoNut).
>>>>>
>>>>> Or simply ignore me. Whatever.
>>>>
>>>> My offer still stands. Are you going to take me up on it or not?
>>>
>>> Your offer of working with me to solve the problems I'm seeing - is
>>> that the one?
>>
>> Yup...ready, willing and (hopefully) able. Just let me know when.
>
> Should I contact you by EMail?
That's cool. You can use my public one or this nick @dfnow.com
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Pete Goodwin
>>>>> Anti-Linux posters = "WT"
>>>>> <pgoo...@sensaura.REMOVE.TO.REPLY.co 188 WT 27. The Ghost In
>>>>> The
>>>>
>>>> I object to be listed as "WT" as it is an implied insult (aka
>>>> Wintroll).
>>>
>>> Nothing *implied* about it.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what the point is of "(aka Wintroll)"? That's like
>>> saying U.S. (AKA United States). There's a difference between an
>>> alias (Also Known As) and an abbreviation.
>>>
>>> (Note: There *is* and *implied* insult in the second paragraph.)
>>
>> So you guys would be happy if I referred to you as Linonuts or
>> Shitheads?
>
> I can't speak for anyone else, but it would probably amuse me if you
> were so childish as to call me a "Shithead."
That's precisely what someone here called me!
> But you're still missing the point. Calling you a WinTroll is *not* a
> description of your character or person but of your behavior in, and
> only in, this group.
Troll is a description of a ugly creature. I don't like to be referred to
as such. Either refer to me as a Windows Advocate (polite) or not at all.
> It's like you went to a alt.cooking.joys.of and just because *you*
> couldn't cook and because you tried it a few times and stunk, buring
> everything, and so you decided that *no* *one* should cook and went
> there whining about it trying to tell people how horrible cooking was
> and that they shouldn't do it.
That's not the same as considering the word "troll" as offensive.
> Or, even if you went there to "keep cooks honest" and make them stop
> acting like cooking is easy and fun when you don't think it is.
> Still, it's trolling. It's not personal; it's just what you *do*
> here.
Calling someone names is not personal? I think it is.
Jim Richardson
Hash: SHA1
On Thu, 04 Jul 2002 17:08:25 -0700,
Dave Martel <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:42:51 +0000, "Florian S."
><shadowst...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>>Terry Por...@gronk.porter.net wrote:
>>
>>> 17. Hello, 22
>
> Actually it's supposed to read "Hello, World!".
>
>>Interesting newsreader...
>
> That's my answer to those who have been threatening to killfile Forte
> Agent users. :)
>
>
I have found that it's better to kill forte by default, and upscore
those with some worth. Mostly because of a couple of nymshifters who
delight in deluging the group.
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Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, from watches to supercomputers, for grandmas and geeks.
Bo Grimes
> Bo Grimes <vgr...@sc.rr.com> wrote in
> news:hxMU8.5277$ul3.1...@twister.southeast.rr.com:
>
>>>>>> Anti-Linux posters = "WT"
>>>>>> <pgoo...@sensaura.REMOVE.TO.REPLY.co 188 WT 27. The Ghost In
>>>>>> The
>>>>>
>>>>> I object to be listed as "WT" as it is an implied insult (aka
>>>>> Wintroll).
>>>>
>>>> Nothing *implied* about it.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what the point is of "(aka Wintroll)"? That's like
>>>> saying U.S. (AKA United States). There's a difference between an
>>>> alias (Also Known As) and an abbreviation.
>>>>
>>>> (Note: There *is* and *implied* insult in the second paragraph.)
>>>
>>> So you guys would be happy if I referred to you as Linonuts or
>>> Shitheads?
>>
>> I can't speak for anyone else, but it would probably amuse me if you
>> were so childish as to call me a "Shithead."
>
> That's precisely what someone here called me!
OK, so? You're an adult right? Bemusement is better than anger when faced
with such insults.
>
>> But you're still missing the point. Calling you a WinTroll is *not* a
>> description of your character or person but of your behavior in, and
>> only in, this group.
>
> Troll is a description of a ugly creature. I don't like to be referred to
> as such. Either refer to me as a Windows Advocate (polite) or not at all.
Not on usenet. It's a fishing metaphor.
[snip]
Pete Goodwin
>>>>>>> Anti-Linux posters = "WT"
>>>>>>> <pgoo...@sensaura.REMOVE.TO.REPLY.co 188 WT 27. The Ghost
>>>>>>> In The
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I object to be listed as "WT" as it is an implied insult (aka
>>>>>> Wintroll).
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing *implied* about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure what the point is of "(aka Wintroll)"? That's like
>>>>> saying U.S. (AKA United States). There's a difference between an
>>>>> alias (Also Known As) and an abbreviation.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Note: There *is* and *implied* insult in the second paragraph.)
>>>>
>>>> So you guys would be happy if I referred to you as Linonuts or
>>>> Shitheads?
>>>
>>> I can't speak for anyone else, but it would probably amuse me if you
>>> were so childish as to call me a "Shithead."
>>
>> That's precisely what someone here called me!
>
> OK, so? You're an adult right? Bemusement is better than anger when
> faced with such insults.
It gets kinda tiresome when that's the level of conversation you get all
the time.
>>> But you're still missing the point. Calling you a WinTroll is *not*
>>> a description of your character or person but of your behavior in,
>>> and only in, this group.
>>
>> Troll is a description of a ugly creature. I don't like to be
>> referred to as such. Either refer to me as a Windows Advocate
>> (polite) or not at all.
>
> Not on usenet. It's a fishing metaphor.
I do not troll and neither am I a troll. So why piss me off by insulting
me?
Pete Goodwin
139866.news.dfncis.de:
>>> Yup...ready, willing and (hopefully) able. Just let me know when.
>>
>> Should I contact you by EMail?
>
> That's cool. You can use my public one or this nick @dfnow.com
I tried rap...@hotmail.com - user account expired.
I tried ni...@dfnow.com - user unknown.
Peter Köhlmann
>>>> But you're still missing the point. Calling you a WinTroll is *not*
>>>> a description of your character or person but of your behavior in,
>>>> and only in, this group.
>>>
>>> Troll is a description of a ugly creature. I don't like to be
>>> referred to as such. Either refer to me as a Windows Advocate
>>> (polite) or not at all.
>>
>> Not on usenet. It's a fishing metaphor.
>
> I do not troll and neither am I a troll. So why piss me off by insulting
> me?
>
You do troll, and if it pisses you off to be called so, just the better.
You are not here by your own admission to get any help at all, until now you
have only (if this even is true) butchered perfectly good linux systems and
then replaced them by a pile of junk called Windows ME.
And then you come here and post how good this works compared to linux.
This is naturally a blatant lie, as have been all your "experiences" with
linux. So, in short, you get what you deserve, moron
Peter
--
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Johan Lindquist
Pete Goodwin <pgoo...@REMOVE.TO.REPLY.blueyonder.co.uk> suddenly blurted:
> rapskat <rap...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ag2vdc$iaj09$3@ID-
> 139866.news.dfncis.de:
>>>> Yup...ready, willing and (hopefully) able. Just let me know when.
>>>
>>> Should I contact you by EMail?
>>
>> That's cool. You can use my public one or this nick @dfnow.com
>
> I tried rap...@hotmail.com - user account expired.
>
> I tried ni...@dfnow.com - user unknown.
I'm dying to insert the quip from the Oracle talking to Neo in The
Matrix right after she says she can understand why Trinity likes him.
But.. no.
I'd suggest s/hot// and s/nick/rapskat/ above.
hth.
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Pete Goodwin
in news:ag4vrm$7ck$01$1...@news.t-online.com:
>>>>> But you're still missing the point. Calling you a WinTroll is
>>>>> *not* a description of your character or person but of your
>>>>> behavior in, and only in, this group.
>>>>
>>>> Troll is a description of a ugly creature. I don't like to be
>>>> referred to as such. Either refer to me as a Windows Advocate
>>>> (polite) or not at all.
>>>
>>> Not on usenet. It's a fishing metaphor.
>>
>> I do not troll and neither am I a troll. So why piss me off by
>> insulting me?
>
> You do troll, and if it pisses you off to be called so, just the
> better.
Those are not the words of someone interested in a discussion.
> You are not here by your own admission to get any help at all,
Because that is not the nature of this group.
> until now you have only (if this even is true) butchered perfectly
> good linux systems and then replaced them by a pile of junk called
> Windows ME.
Which works.
> And then you come here and post how good this works
> compared to linux.
Well, it works.
> This is naturally a blatant lie, as have been all
> your "experiences" with linux. So, in short, you get what you deserve,
> moron
Right back to "LIAR LIAR LIAR".
And the insults.
YAWN!
rapskat
Goodwin" - dump details are as follows...
> rapskat <rap...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ag2vdc$iaj09$3@ID-
> 139866.news.dfncis.de:
>
>>>> Yup...ready, willing and (hopefully) able. Just let me know when.
>>>
>>> Should I contact you by EMail?
>>
>> That's cool. You can use my public one or this nick @dfnow.com
>
> I tried rap...@hotmail.com - user account expired.
>
> I tried ni...@dfnow.com - user unknown.
Errr....on second thought Pete, never mind.
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Pete Goodwin
139866.news.dfncis.de:
> Error Log for Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:14:51 -0400: segfault in module "Pete
> Goodwin" - dump details are as follows...
>
>> rapskat <rap...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ag2vdc$iaj09$3@ID-
>> 139866.news.dfncis.de:
>>
>>>>> Yup...ready, willing and (hopefully) able. Just let me know when.
>>>>
>>>> Should I contact you by EMail?
>>>
>>> That's cool. You can use my public one or this nick @dfnow.com
>>
>> I tried rap...@hotmail.com - user account expired.
>>
>> I tried ni...@dfnow.com - user unknown.
>
> Errr....on second thought Pete, never mind.
OK fine. So much for willing and able. So your offer was bogus and fake
after all that.
Peter Köhlmann
You stated in this very group that you are *not* here to get help.
So your claims are bogus and fake after all
Peter
--
Microsoft's Guide To System Design:
The greatest productivity aid since typhoid.
Pete Goodwin
> You stated in this very group that you are *not* here to get help.
> So your claims are bogus and fake after all
Who cares what _you_ think Peter?
Peter Köhlmann
> Peter =?ISO-8859-15?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <Peter.K...@t-online.de> wrote in
> news:ag67nd$76a$04$2...@news.t-online.com:
>
>> You stated in this very group that you are *not* here to get help.
>> So your claims are bogus and fake after all
>
> Who cares what _you_ think Peter?
>
You perhaps not. Nonetheless you will have to live with the fact that I will
not let your FUD and trolls let go by uncommented. You can killfile me, if
you wish (imagine: I got flatfish to do that!). But that is just defeat on
your part, because I belong here, you do not.
Mike.
Author: Pete Goodwin <pgoo...@remove.to.reply.blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 07:09:46 GMT
Partial reproduction follows:
> rapskat <rap...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ag5c8a$j4il2$2@ID-
> 139866.news.dfncis.de:
>> Error Log for Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:14:51 -0400: segfault in module "Pete
>> Goodwin" - dump details are as follows...
>>> I tried rap...@hotmail.com - user account expired.
>>> I tried ni...@dfnow.com - user unknown.
>> Errr....on second thought Pete, never mind.
> OK fine. So much for willing and able. So your offer was bogus and fake
> after all that.
Some people just can't be helped.
You just demonstrated your ineptness so profoundly that very few people
would welcome you upon themselves.
Ever tried to teach someone how to use a computer, and spent 15 minutes
trying to explain the purpose of the power button? Sometimes it's best
to just give up before you even get started. It's not worth the stress
it will cause both parties to try to teach them something new. They're
just not ready, willing or able to learn it.
Or in other words: some people just can't be helped.
--
Mike. /* remove "-spam" to mail me */
rapskat
- dump details are as follows...
> Analyzing message <Xns92435309A3F4...@193.38.113.46>
> Author: Pete Goodwin <pgoo...@remove.to.reply.blueyonder.co.uk>
> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 07:09:46 GMT
> Partial reproduction follows:
>
>> rapskat <rap...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ag5c8a$j4il2$2@ID-
>> 139866.news.dfncis.de:
>
>>> Error Log for Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:14:51 -0400: segfault in module
>>> "Pete Goodwin" - dump details are as follows...
>
>>>> I tried rap...@hotmail.com - user account expired. I tried
>>>> ni...@dfnow.com - user unknown.
>
>>> Errr....on second thought Pete, never mind.
>
>> OK fine. So much for willing and able. So your offer was bogus and fake
>> after all that.
>
> Some people just can't be helped.
>
> You just demonstrated your ineptness so profoundly that very few people
> would welcome you upon themselves.
>
> Ever tried to teach someone how to use a computer, and spent 15 minutes
> trying to explain the purpose of the power button? Sometimes it's best
> to just give up before you even get started. It's not worth the stress
> it will cause both parties to try to teach them something new. They're
> just not ready, willing or able to learn it.
>
> Or in other words: some people just can't be helped.
Exactly. Either this person is deliberately being difficult in order to
be able to cliam that I was not sincere in my offer, in which case he
was/is not at all interested in assistance as many have stated, but merely
wishes to continue talking down about Linux and OSS and supporters of
it....OR...
He really is that obtuse, in which case, as you have stated, any attempts
to assist him would be futile anyway. And would also explain the
so-called "problems" that he has had with Linux and OSS. I've always
stated that anyone who is able to follow simple concise directions would
have no problems with Linux.
What Pete has demonstrated here is that he is incapable (or unwilling) to
follow even the most simple instructions to determine what my email
addresses are, and so therefore of course he is not going to be able to
successfully run Linux.
Linux is not rocket science, but it does often require a certain amount of
functioning grey matter.
I don't believe that the instructions I offered where that difficult, do
you?
My public email address as determined by my sigline, many others were able
to figure it out just fine. My (semi) private email address is this nick
@dfnow.com.
Is that really so hard? I do not want to waste my time attempting to
assist someone who either cannot or will not determine them based on these
instructions. That's pathetic.
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Linux users do it without going down
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Hash: SHA1
On Sat, 06 Jul 2002 08:52:34 GMT,
Pete Goodwin <pgoo...@REMOVE.TO.REPLY.blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Peter =?ISO-8859-15?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <Peter.K...@t-online.de> wrote in
> news:ag67nd$76a$04$2...@news.t-online.com:
>
>> You stated in this very group that you are *not* here to get help.
>> So your claims are bogus and fake after all
>
> Who cares what _you_ think Peter?
>
It's not about what he thinks, it's about what you *said*. Your words,
you have to deal with the results.
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> My public email address as determined by my sigline, many others were
> able to figure it out just fine. My (semi) private email address is
>
> Is that really so hard? I do not want to waste my time attempting to
> assist someone who either cannot or will not determine them based on
> these instructions. That's pathetic.
Email address corrected (in caps)
Si
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> On Sat, 06 Jul 2002 08:52:34 GMT,
> Pete Goodwin <pgoo...@REMOVE.TO.REPLY.blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> Peter =?ISO-8859-15?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <Peter.K...@t-online.de>
>> wrote in news:ag67nd$76a$04$2...@news.t-online.com:
>>
>>> You stated in this very group that you are *not* here to get help.
>>> So your claims are bogus and fake after all
>>
>> Who cares what _you_ think Peter?
>>
>
>
> It's not about what he thinks, it's about what you *said*. Your words,
> you have to deal with the results.
Jim, I think that Pete G -- like most people with an IQ higher than 6 --
just can't be arsed dealing with the angry young man of the Linux world.
Koehlmann has proven repeatedly that he's several toys short of a Happy
Meal, and he only EVER posts insults and vitriol. In fact I don't
believe I've ever seen him post a pro-Linux post once -- he just attacks
others.
Simon
Peter Köhlmann
> Jim Richardson <war...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> On Sat, 06 Jul 2002 08:52:34 GMT,
>> Pete Goodwin <pgoo...@REMOVE.TO.REPLY.blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Peter =?ISO-8859-15?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <Peter.K...@t-online.de>
>>> wrote in news:ag67nd$76a$04$2...@news.t-online.com:
>>>
>>>> You stated in this very group that you are *not* here to get help.
>>>> So your claims are bogus and fake after all
>>>
>>> Who cares what _you_ think Peter?
>>>
>>
>>
>> It's not about what he thinks, it's about what you *said*. Your words,
>> you have to deal with the results.
>
> Jim, I think that Pete G -- like most people with an IQ higher than 6 --
> just can't be arsed dealing with the angry young man of the Linux world.
Wrong, Simone. I am neither angry nor young.
> Koehlmann has proven repeatedly that he's several toys short of a Happy
> Meal, and he only EVER posts insults and vitriol. In fact I don't
> believe I've ever seen him post a pro-Linux post once -- he just attacks
> others.
>
You haven't seen it all. And you do not look into all the linux newsgroups
But this is COLA -- here you can piss off the windroids like flatfish and
Simon Cooke. And guess what -- both of them claim to have killfiled me.
Thats really great, wintrolls killfiling linux users!
Peter
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Jim Richardson
Hash: SHA1
Irrelevent to my point, it's not about what Peter K thinks, it's about
what PeteG said. if he doesn't want to be reminded that he has
repeatedly stated that he's not here to get help, then he shouldn't have
said it, or he should repudiate it. He, like many of the wintrolls have
been offered help numerous times, but hasn't taken it.
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> In fact I don't believe
> I've ever seen him post a pro-Linux post once
You do realize that this statement could also apply to you, right?
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Simon Cooke
> Error Log for Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:01:35 -0400: segfault in module
> "Simon Cooke" - dump details are as follows...
>
>> In fact I don't believe
>> I've ever seen him post a pro-Linux post once
>
> You do realize that this statement could also apply to you, right?
You had me killfiled... but check for my post on the whole linux font
enchilada.
Simon
Simon Cooke
> Error Log for Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:01:35 -0400: segfault in module
> "Simon Cooke" - dump details are as follows...
>
>> In fact I don't believe
>> I've ever seen him post a pro-Linux post once
>
> You do realize that this statement could also apply to you, right?
Oh, and btw: I've also posted plenty of times that I find Linux to be
good as a server OS.
Simon
rapskat
Cooke" - dump details are as follows...
> rapskat wrote:
>> Error Log for Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:01:35 -0400: segfault in module
>> "Simon Cooke" - dump details are as follows...
>>
>>> In fact I don't believe
>>> I've ever seen him post a pro-Linux post once
>>
>> You do realize that this statement could also apply to you, right?
>
> Oh, and btw: I've also posted plenty of times that I find Linux to be
> good as a server OS.
>
>
That's fair. I find Windows to be good as a gaming platform. Touch`e.
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rapskat
Cooke" - dump details are as follows...
> rapskat wrote:
>> Error Log for Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:01:35 -0400: segfault in module
>> "Simon Cooke" - dump details are as follows...
>>
>>> In fact I don't believe
>>> I've ever seen him post a pro-Linux post once
>>
>> You do realize that this statement could also apply to you, right?
>
> You had me killfiled... but check for my post on the whole linux font
> enchilada.
>
>
Wow....someone give that man an advocate card! You make a couple of
semi-positive posts about font rendering under Linux and that somehow
lends you some merit? I don't think so, Simone.
What's the last distro that you've used? SuSE 8.0 you said? No, wait,
you stated you weren't able to sucessfully install that right? So, IIRC,
it was Redhat like 6.0 or something like that, right? Which was some 2
years ago.
So this means you are basing your negative (and positive) experiences of
Linux off of an obsolete release! In all actuality, you are not even
qualified to make any derogatory or otherwise remarks about Linux because
you really have never even used any major modern distro, right?
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Sinister Midget
Simple, I think that you -- like most winbots with an IQ lower than 6 --
just can't deal with reality. You like to criticize the behavior of others
who are at least in the correct group behaving in ways you criticize. You
have proven repeatedly that you are several floors short of a skyscraper,
and you only EVER post nonsense and vitriol aimed at linux. In fact, I
know I've never seen you post a pro-linux post once -- you just attack
linux and linux users.
> Simon
Sinister
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Mike.
Author: Simon Cooke <PLEASEsimon...@theearthlinktext.netincaps>
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 20:59:32 GMT
Partial reproduction follows:
> rapskat <rap...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> My public email address as determined by my sigline, many others were
>> able to figure it out just fine. My (semi) private email address is
>> this nickNAME @dfnow.com.
> Email address corrected (in caps)
See, even Simon -- who is rather talented at being obtuse -- managed to
work it out. Yet Pete can't?
The Ghost In The Machine
<rap...@hotmail.com>
wrote
on Sun, 07 Jul 2002 00:58:52 -0400
<ag8hqd$jotd2$2...@ID-139866.news.dfncis.de>:
> Error Log for Sat, 06 Jul 2002 23:39:15 -0400: segfault in module "Simon
> Cooke" - dump details are as follows...
>
>> rapskat wrote:
>>> Error Log for Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:01:35 -0400: segfault in module
>>> "Simon Cooke" - dump details are as follows...
>>>
>>>> In fact I don't believe
>>>> I've ever seen him post a pro-Linux post once
>>>
>>> You do realize that this statement could also apply to you, right?
>>
>> Oh, and btw: I've also posted plenty of times that I find Linux to be
>> good as a server OS.
>>
>>
> That's fair. I find Windows to be good as a gaming platform. Touch`e.
>
Only because Linux doesn't implement all of that DirectX/DirectSound/
etc. stuff. I have an old copy of Unreal (build #225), for example;
under Wine (http://www.winehq.com), it works beautifully.
I wish I could say the same for UnrealEd, but it appears the latter
was cobbled up by someone playing with Visual Basic. :-) So there's
a lot of DDE/ActiveX/whatever involved, and Wine can't quite handle
that yet.
(I'd help, but am not all that knowledgeable in ActiveX myself.)
--
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Linux. The choice of a GNU generation.
Mart van de Wege
Uh no Pete.
I think Rapskat just realised that you are terminally stupid and beyond
help. Take a *very* close look at his original post offering help, and
then another *very* close look at your reply, specifically which addresses
you tried, and you'll see the problem.
Jeez, just when I thought you couldn't sink any deeper, you *have* to go
and prove the opposite, don't you?
Mart
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Show me the meaning of what life had to give and
I don't know what to say, I think that maybe
I'm in over my head" (Lit - Over My Head)
Pete Goodwin
>>>>> You stated in this very group that you are *not* here to get help.
>>>>> So your claims are bogus and fake after all
>>>>
>>>> Who cares what _you_ think Peter?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's not about what he thinks, it's about what you *said*. Your words,
>>> you have to deal with the results.
>>
>> Jim, I think that Pete G -- like most people with an IQ higher than 6 --
>> just can't be arsed dealing with the angry young man of the Linux world.
>> Koehlmann has proven repeatedly that he's several toys short of a Happy
>> Meal, and he only EVER posts insults and vitriol. In fact I don't
>> believe I've ever seen him post a pro-Linux post once -- he just attacks
>> others.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>
>
> Irrelevent to my point, it's not about what Peter K thinks, it's about
> what PeteG said. if he doesn't want to be reminded that he has
> repeatedly stated that he's not here to get help, then he shouldn't have
> said it, or he should repudiate it. He, like many of the wintrolls have
> been offered help numerous times, but hasn't taken it.
And as I have pointed out on numerous occaisons this group is about Linux
Advocacy not help.
Pete Goodwin
news:ag6unb$jcclc$1...@ID-139866.news.dfncis.de:
>>>>> I tried rap...@hotmail.com - user account expired. I tried
>>>>> ni...@dfnow.com - user unknown.
>>
>>>> Errr....on second thought Pete, never mind.
>>
>>> OK fine. So much for willing and able. So your offer was bogus and
>>> fake after all that.
>>
>> Some people just can't be helped.
>>
>> You just demonstrated your ineptness so profoundly that very few
>> people would welcome you upon themselves.
>>
>> Ever tried to teach someone how to use a computer, and spent 15
>> minutes trying to explain the purpose of the power button? Sometimes
>> it's best to just give up before you even get started. It's not
>> worth the stress it will cause both parties to try to teach them
>> something new. They're just not ready, willing or able to learn it.
>>
>> Or in other words: some people just can't be helped.
>
> Exactly. Either this person is deliberately being difficult in order
> to be able to cliam that I was not sincere in my offer, in which case
> he was/is not at all interested in assistance as many have stated, but
> merely wishes to continue talking down about Linux and OSS and
> supporters of it....OR...
>
> He really is that obtuse, in which case, as you have stated, any
> attempts to assist him would be futile anyway. And would also explain
> the so-called "problems" that he has had with Linux and OSS. I've
> always stated that anyone who is able to follow simple concise
> directions would have no problems with Linux.
So either way you have two reasons not to help, is that it? That way you
can honestly thump your chest and claim and you tried to help me, is that
it, but somehow I either turned you down (insincere) or are too stupid to
figure out your EMail and am therefore too stupid to help?
Such arrogance!!!
> What Pete has demonstrated here is that he is incapable (or unwilling)
> to follow even the most simple instructions to determine what my email
> addresses are, and so therefore of course he is not going to be able
> to successfully run Linux.
Funny it works fine on my system, so I've already demonstrated you're
wrong. Of course, what I was going to talk to you about was other things,
like USB, MPEG, FireWire etc. but with your currently level of hostility,
why should I?
> Linux is not rocket science, but it does often require a certain
> amount of functioning grey matter.
It is so easy to hurl insults isn't it?
> I don't believe that the instructions I offered where that difficult,
> do you?
Obviously, since I don't get it.
> My public email address as determined by my sigline, many others were
> able to figure it out just fine. My (semi) private email address is
> this nick @dfnow.com.
I took it to mean ni...@dfnow.com. Maybe you mean rapskat$$$@dfnow.com?
As for your other address, rapskat$$$@mail.com? Do I believe that address
will work? "mail.com"?
($$$ is superfluous of course).
> Is that really so hard? I do not want to waste my time attempting to
> assist someone who either cannot or will not determine them based on
> these instructions. That's pathetic.
So you can pretend I'm too stupid to help, is that it?
As I said, such arrogance!
Peter Köhlmann
Then you should have never come here with your contrieved "2NIC / DHCP"
problem in the first place. Several people tried to help you, naturally to
no avail, because your problem either did never exist (which I suspect) or
that you simply did not want to have it go away.
In either case, you are just slime
Peter
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they have 'arguments' - and they ALWAYS WIN THEM.
Jim Richardson
Hash: SHA1
On Sun, 07 Jul 2002 21:58:27 GMT,
Pete Goodwin <pgoo...@REMOVE.TO.REPLY.blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> So either way you have two reasons not to help, is that it? That way you
> can honestly thump your chest and claim and you tried to help me, is that
> it, but somehow I either turned you down (insincere) or are too stupid to
> figure out your EMail and am therefore too stupid to help?
>
> Such arrogance!!!
Numerous people have tried to help you Pete, you have repeatedly stated
that you aren't interested in help, that you didn't come here for help.
Your actions have said the same, many times. It's a common wintroll
tactic we have noticed.
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Pete Goodwin
in news:agahh7$cn7$04$3...@news.t-online.com:
>>>>>>> You stated in this very group that you are *not* here to get
>>>>>>> help. So your claims are bogus and fake after all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who cares what _you_ think Peter?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not about what he thinks, it's about what you *said*. Your
>>>>> words, you have to deal with the results.
>>>>
>>>> Jim, I think that Pete G -- like most people with an IQ higher than
>>>> 6 -- just can't be arsed dealing with the angry young man of the
>>>> Linux world. Koehlmann has proven repeatedly that he's several toys
>>>> short of a Happy Meal, and he only EVER posts insults and vitriol.
>>>> In fact I don't believe I've ever seen him post a pro-Linux post
>>>> once -- he just attacks others.
>>>>
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Irrelevent to my point, it's not about what Peter K thinks, it's
>>> about what PeteG said. if he doesn't want to be reminded that he has
>>> repeatedly stated that he's not here to get help, then he shouldn't
>>> have said it, or he should repudiate it. He, like many of the
>>> wintrolls have been offered help numerous times, but hasn't taken
>>> it.
>>
>> And as I have pointed out on numerous occaisons this group is about
>> Linux Advocacy not help.
>>
>
> Then you should have never come here with your contrieved "2NIC /
> DHCP" problem in the first place.
It was not contrived, it was real.
> Several people tried to help you,
Yes, by suggesting things I'd already tried.
> naturally to no avail, because your problem either did never exist
> (which I suspect) or that you simply did not want to have it go away.
I fixed it by then remember.
> In either case, you are just slime
Hark who's talking!
Pete Goodwin
>> So either way you have two reasons not to help, is that it? That way
>> you can honestly thump your chest and claim and you tried to help me,
>> is that it, but somehow I either turned you down (insincere) or are
>> too stupid to figure out your EMail and am therefore too stupid to
>> help?
>>
>> Such arrogance!!!
>
>
> Numerous people have tried to help you Pete, you have repeatedly
> stated that you aren't interested in help, that you didn't come here
> for help. Your actions have said the same, many times. It's a common
> wintroll tactic we have noticed.
And the one time I choose to accept help, what happens? I'm told I'm either
insincere or too stupid. Like I said, such arrogance!
Peter Köhlmann
Yep, after weeks of posting to and fro, to no avail.
You failed consistently to provide specific error messages, just claiming
that "it still does not work". Anyone got after just a few days the
impression (and rightly so!) that you never wanted help in the first place,
you wanted to troll. Solving your problem was clearly not wanted (by you)
Peter
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Sinister Midget
> Error Log for Sat, 06 Jul 2002 23:38:30 -0400: segfault in module "Simon
> Cooke" - dump details are as follows...
>
>> rapskat wrote:
>>> Error Log for Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:01:35 -0400: segfault in module
>>> "Simon Cooke" - dump details are as follows...
>>>
>>>> In fact I don't believe
>>>> I've ever seen him post a pro-Linux post once
>>>
>>> You do realize that this statement could also apply to you, right?
>>
>> You had me killfiled... but check for my post on the whole linux font
>> enchilada.
>>
>>
> Wow....someone give that man an advocate card! You make a couple of
> semi-positive posts about font rendering under Linux and that somehow
> lends you some merit? I don't think so, Simone.
>
> What's the last distro that you've used? SuSE 8.0 you said? No, wait,
> you stated you weren't able to sucessfully install that right? So, IIRC,
> it was Redhat like 6.0 or something like that, right? Which was some 2
> years ago.
Actually, 2 years ago was Corel:
http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/am-info/Week-of-Mon-20000124/001016.html
He wasn't an advocate then either.
--
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kickaha
Very good point. When I've had problems, in _any_ context, I've tried
to provide enough information to allow those who could help me to get a feel
for my pain.
I do so at work. I'm not too proud to admit that I need the occasional
assist from gurus who know elements of the field in which I toil better
than I do, and try to provide enough information to help _them_ to help me.
This is beneficial to both of us; I get the answers I need, they don't
have to spin their wheels figuring out what I actually asked them for help
with.
When I go to a doctor, I don't expect that the phrase "Hey, it hurts"
will elicit anything other than a barrage of questions to try to narrow
the possible causes of my pain.
Why, in the field of usenet, anyone would expect anything less than requests
for more specific information, is cause for suspicion for their motives.
And being offended by being asked the valid questions that could lead to
a resolution of the problem under question is most _certainly_ a cause
for suspicion.
Especially here, where There Be Trolls a'plenty.
rapskat
Goodwin" - dump details are as follows...
> Jim Richardson <war...@eskimo.com> wrote in
You are correct, there was much arrogance, but it was not on my part.
My offer to assist in any way that I could was indeed sincere. Going
against my better judgement, I extended to you my meager abilities in an
effort to help you out in the true spirit of the Open Source Community.
Just like many others have done for me.
And what do you do? You essentially spat in my face! As someone who has
developed somewhat complex software for both Windows and Linux platforms
and works in the IT industry and makes a living off of being able to
interpret and develop solutions, I am to assume that you are incapable of
discerning two email addresses based on the very clear and simple
instructions that I provided you?
No, I do not think someone of your obvious intelligence (and I am using
that term rather loosely here) would have any problems figuring it out, as
you had clearly demonstrated in a later post.
So, the only conclusion is that you were deliberetly being obtuse in the
interests of forebearing any assistance without seeming to refuse it. If
I had reiterated my instructions to you clearer, you would have found some
other excuse, if I had met that, you would have found another.
The point being, you cannot help someone who does not wish to be helped in
the first place. That is why I pulled my offer. Not out of "arrogance",
but out of unwillingess to play into your puerile games.
HTH
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You screwed up an edress for crying out loud! when he gave it to you!
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Pete Goodwin
news:agdqae$kacuc$1...@ID-139866.news.dfncis.de:
>>>> So either way you have two reasons not to help, is that it? That
>>>> way you can honestly thump your chest and claim and you tried to
>>>> help me, is that it, but somehow I either turned you down
>>>> (insincere) or are too stupid to figure out your EMail and am
>>>> therefore too stupid to help?
>>>>
>>>> Such arrogance!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Numerous people have tried to help you Pete, you have repeatedly
>>> stated that you aren't interested in help, that you didn't come here
>>> for help. Your actions have said the same, many times. It's a common
>>> wintroll tactic we have noticed.
>>
>> And the one time I choose to accept help, what happens? I'm told I'm
>> either insincere or too stupid. Like I said, such arrogance!
>
> You are correct, there was much arrogance, but it was not on my part.
>
> My offer to assist in any way that I could was indeed sincere. Going
> against my better judgement, I extended to you my meager abilities in
> an effort to help you out in the true spirit of the Open Source
> Community. Just like many others have done for me.
I sense prejudice already...
> And what do you do? You essentially spat in my face! As someone who
> has developed somewhat complex software for both Windows and Linux
> platforms and works in the IT industry and makes a living off of being
> able to interpret and develop solutions, I am to assume that you are
> incapable of discerning two email addresses based on the very clear
> and simple instructions that I provided you?
When you made your offer of help, did I spit in your face then, as you put
it? No, I did not! Please get your facts straight before you make your
accusations!
You post very _unclear_ instructions about your EMails then called me an
idiot or ignorant for not being able to figure out what you might think is
trivial. Such arrogance!
> No, I do not think someone of your obvious intelligence (and I am
> using that term rather loosely here) would have any problems figuring
> it out, as you had clearly demonstrated in a later post.
Thanks for the veiled insults again. Can you not post without doing that?
> So, the only conclusion is that you were deliberetly being obtuse in
> the interests of forebearing any assistance without seeming to refuse
> it. If I had reiterated my instructions to you clearer, you would
> have found some other excuse, if I had met that, you would have found
> another.
Nope, now you are making excuses to match your conclusions. Had your EMails
been expressed in a form I understood, I would have contacted you and
perhaps we might have solved certain problems I have. But no, you jump on
me as soon as you perceive I'm stupid and now you're washing your hands of
me.
Such arrogance! It's unbelievable!
> The point being, you cannot help someone who does not wish to be
> helped in the first place. That is why I pulled my offer. Not out of
> "arrogance", but out of unwillingess to play into your puerile games.
I'd say it's pretty damn arrogant of you to decide that I'm not willing to
be helped in _this_ instance (I would have said so otherwise) and state I'm
playing a puerile game. From my perspective, you offer help, I try to take
it, then you back out. That looks pretty damn puerile and arrogant from my
point of view.
If you want proof, go ahead and try me. Tell me how to EMail you, and see
what happens. If I "play puerile games" as you put it, then you'll know, if
I don't, then you'll know I'm sincere, which is what I have been all along.
Pete Goodwin
>>>> So either way you have two reasons not to help, is that it? That
>>>> way you can honestly thump your chest and claim and you tried to
>>>> help me, is that it, but somehow I either turned you down
>>>> (insincere) or are too stupid to figure out your EMail and am
>>>> therefore too stupid to help?
>>>>
>>>> Such arrogance!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> Numerous people have tried to help you Pete, you have repeatedly
>>> stated that you aren't interested in help, that you didn't come here
>>> for help. Your actions have said the same, many times. It's a common
>>> wintroll tactic we have noticed.
>>
>> And the one time I choose to accept help, what happens? I'm told I'm
>> either insincere or too stupid. Like I said, such arrogance!
>
> You screwed up an edress for crying out loud! when he gave it to you!
If his instructions were clearer then I would not have screwed them, as you
put it.
rapskat
Goodwin" - dump details are as follows...
> rapskat <rap...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:agdqae$kacuc$1...@ID-139866.news.dfncis.de:
>
<snip>
>>> And the one time I choose to accept help, what happens? I'm told I'm
>>> either insincere or too stupid. Like I said, such arrogance!
>>
>> You are correct, there was much arrogance, but it was not on my part.
>>
>> My offer to assist in any way that I could was indeed sincere. Going
>> against my better judgement, I extended to you my meager abilities in
>> an effort to help you out in the true spirit of the Open Source
>> Community. Just like many others have done for me.
>
> I sense prejudice already...
>
How so? In stating that many people in the community have gone out of
their way to offer me assistance with issues that I have had and I
extended that same courtesy to you? This somehow implies prejudice?
I don't follow.
>> And what do you do? You essentially spat in my face! As someone who
>> has developed somewhat complex software for both Windows and Linux
>> platforms and works in the IT industry and makes a living off of being
>> able to interpret and develop solutions, I am to assume that you are
>> incapable of discerning two email addresses based on the very clear and
>> simple instructions that I provided you?
>
> When you made your offer of help, did I spit in your face then, as you
> put it? No, I did not! Please get your facts straight before you make
> your accusations!
>
By insulting my intelligence by pretending that you were unable to follow
simple instructions to determine my email addresses in order to allow me
to help you. That is how you spit in my face.
> You post very _unclear_ instructions about your EMails then called me an
> idiot or ignorant for not being able to figure out what you might think
> is trivial. Such arrogance!
>
>
They were so unclear that you were able to determine exactly what they
were in a subsequent post with no modification in the instructions at all?
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> My public email address as determined by my sigline, many others were
> able to figure it out just fine. My (semi) private email address is
> this nick @dfnow.com.
I took it to mean ni...@dfnow.com. Maybe you mean rapskat$$$@dfnow.com?
($$$ is superfluous of course).
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These are the exact same instructions that I originally gave:
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>
> Should I contact you by EMail?
That's cool. You can use my public one or this nick @dfnow.com
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## ---> drop the hot to mail me <--- This is always present in my sig!
I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance. -- Socrates
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So, the instructions didn't change. And yet in the space of one post,
you were suddenly able to discern them where before they were "_very_
unclear"?
C'mon Pete, do I really sound that gullible?
>> No, I do not think someone of your obvious intelligence (and I am using
>> that term rather loosely here) would have any problems figuring it out,
>> as you had clearly demonstrated in a later post.
>
> Thanks for the veiled insults again. Can you not post without doing
> that?
>
Insults?!? Where? If anything, that was an implied compliment. Perhaps you
should look into another brand of Toilet Paper of something.
I will give you some true examples of "veiled insults" later in this post....
>> So, the only conclusion is that you were deliberetly being obtuse in
>> the interests of forebearing any assistance without seeming to refuse
>> it. If I had reiterated my instructions to you clearer, you would have
>> found some other excuse, if I had met that, you would have found
>> another.
>
> Nope, now you are making excuses to match your conclusions. Had your
> EMails been expressed in a form I understood, I would have contacted you
> and perhaps we might have solved certain problems I have. But no, you
> jump on me as soon as you perceive I'm stupid and now you're washing
> your hands of me.
>
You washed you hands of me by playing the fool. I can't be bothered to
attempt to help people that obviously don't want the help to begin with.
And what is so difficult about the instructions I gave to determine my
emails? Obviously they couldn't be too hard as you were able to figure
them out only a couple of posts later!
"this nick @dfnow.com" = The nick that I always post under, my moniker, my
nome de plume if you will, prepended to @dfnow.com, which is my ISP domain in
the commonly accepted email format as defined in RFC 822.
"drop the hot to mail me" = Ever present in my sigline, it gives the
instructions for de-obfuscating my email address in order to determine my
public email. My email address that I post under is indicated as
<rap...@hotmail.com> As per the instructions, if "hot" is dropped from
this address, then what is left is my true public email address.
Not exactly rocket science, Einstein.
> Such arrogance! It's unbelievable!
>
Yeah sure.
>> The point being, you cannot help someone who does not wish to be helped
>> in the first place. That is why I pulled my offer. Not out of
>> "arrogance", but out of unwillingess to play into your puerile games.
>
> I'd say it's pretty damn arrogant of you to decide that I'm not willing
> to be helped in _this_ instance (I would have said so otherwise) and
> state I'm playing a puerile game. From my perspective, you offer help, I
> try to take it, then you back out. That looks pretty damn puerile and
> arrogant from my point of view.
>
I'm sorry, but I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass in order to
see it from "your point of view".
> If you want proof, go ahead and try me. Tell me how to EMail you, and
> see what happens. If I "play puerile games" as you put it, then you'll
> know, if I don't, then you'll know I'm sincere, which is what I have
> been all along.
I just did. Hopefully you will get it right this time, considered I all
but tattooed them to your forehead (if you even have one between your
prominent brow ridge and your sloping cranium).
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drop the hot to mail me
The nail that sticks out is the one that gets pounded. -- Anonymous
Johan Lindquist
Pete Goodwin <pgoo...@REMOVE.TO.REPLY.blueyonder.co.uk> suddenly blurted:
>> As someone who has developed somewhat complex software for both
>> Windows and Linux platforms and works in the IT industry and makes
>> a living off of being able to interpret and develop solutions, I am
>> to assume that you are incapable of discerning two email addresses
>> based on the very clear and simple instructions that I provided
>> you?
>
> You post very _unclear_ instructions about your EMails then called
> me an idiot or ignorant for not being able to figure out what you
> might think is trivial. Such arrogance!
I think you are the only one that did not understand that "this nick
@whatever" did /not/ mean "nick@whatever". I think you are also
the only one who failed to read rapskat's signature to find out if
he had somehow munged his posting address. For future reference,
that's normally the single most common place where people put such
information.
hth.
> Had your EMails been expressed in a form I understood,
So it's not the "deliberately being difficult" alternative then, but
rather the other?
> If you want proof, go ahead and try me. Tell me how to EMail you,
> and see what happens. If I "play puerile games" as you put it, then
> you'll know, if I don't, then you'll know I'm sincere, which is what
> I have been all along.
Do you /still/ need help figuring out his address(es)?
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Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana. Perth ---> *
9:10am up 8 days, 17:56, 3 users, load average: 1.39, 1.28, 1.21
$ cat /dev/bollocks Registered Linux user #261729
envisioneer granular e-business
Jim Richardson
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His instructions were clear enough that noone else seemed to have
trouble.
Perhaps he overestimated your intelligence?
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