Well, noot just MS does it. Apple is just as bad
Peter Köhlmann
In short: Apple introduces DRM in QuickTime.
And renders video-editing dead as "side-effect"
To top it off: Apple does not like the discussion and deletes messages
Yup: That is apple, just as they have always been. Not a tiny little shred
better than MS was in their worst days
--
Only two things are infinite,
the Universe and Stupidity.
And I'm not quite sure about the former.
- Albert Einstein
Snit
fn7quq$fi0$02$1...@news.t-online.com on 1/23/08 9:45 AM:
> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6391144
>
> In short: Apple introduces DRM in QuickTime.
> And renders video-editing dead as "side-effect"
>
> To top it off: Apple does not like the discussion and deletes messages
>
> Yup: That is apple, just as they have always been. Not a tiny little shred
> better than MS was in their worst days
One person is claiming it is DRM related. One.
It might be. But we do not yet know.
--
Dear Aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1123221217782777472
Snit
fn7quq$fi0$02$1...@news.t-online.com on 1/23/08 9:45 AM:
> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6391144
>
> In short: Apple introduces DRM in QuickTime.
> And renders video-editing dead as "side-effect"
>
> To top it off: Apple does not like the discussion and deletes messages
>
> Yup: That is apple, just as they have always been. Not a tiny little shred
> better than MS was in their worst days
I thought you got mad at people who posted Mac info to COLA. Weird to see
you do it, too.
--
Never stand between a dog and the hydrant. - John Peers
Roy Schestowitz
> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6391144
>
> In short: Apple introduces DRM in QuickTime.
> And renders video-editing dead as "side-effect"
>
> To top it off: Apple does not like the discussion and deletes messages
>
> Yup: That is apple, just as they have always been. Not a tiny little shred
> better than MS was in their worst days
A friend E-mailed me yesterday to say that he wiped his Mac clean and installed
KDE on it instead. He's through with Apple because of such DRM affinity and
censorship. Apple can diversify the market (which is good for Linux), but if
it grows big(ger), it will be no better than Microsoft.
--
~~ Best of wishes
Roy S. Schestowitz | Useless fact: Falsity implies anything
http://Schestowitz.com | RHAT Linux | PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E
01:05:02 up 5 days, 10:45, 3 users, load average: 1.68, 2.30, 2.21
http://iuron.com - Open Source knowledge engine project
Moshe Goldfarb
> ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Wednesday 23 January 2008 16:45 : \____
>
>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6391144
>>
>> In short: Apple introduces DRM in QuickTime.
>> And renders video-editing dead as "side-effect"
>>
>> To top it off: Apple does not like the discussion and deletes messages
>>
>> Yup: That is apple, just as they have always been. Not a tiny little shred
>> better than MS was in their worst days
>
> A friend E-mailed me yesterday to say that he wiped his Mac clean and installed
> KDE on it instead. He's through with Apple because of such DRM affinity and
> censorship. Apple can diversify the market (which is good for Linux), but if
> it grows big(ger), it will be no better than Microsoft.
He sounds like an even bigger ass than you are Roy Schestowitz.
Only a complete idiot wipes out OSX or even MacOS to install Linux.
I suppose he is another copyright thief like you are, Schestowitz, so he
doesn't like paying for the music he listens to.
Hadron
> ____/ Peter Köhlmann on Wednesday 23 January 2008 16:45 : \____
>
>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6391144
>>
>> In short: Apple introduces DRM in QuickTime.
>> And renders video-editing dead as "side-effect"
>>
>> To top it off: Apple does not like the discussion and deletes messages
>>
>> Yup: That is apple, just as they have always been. Not a tiny little shred
>> better than MS was in their worst days
>
> A friend E-mailed me yesterday to say that he wiped his Mac clean and installed
> KDE on it instead. He's through with Apple because of such DRM affinity and
> censorship. Apple can diversify the market (which is good for Linux), but if
> it grows big(ger), it will be no better than Microsoft.
"He installed KDE on it".
Hilarious.
There is no friend. There was no email. And no, he didn't install "KDE"
on it.
And don't pretend it was K-DEMar either.
Moshe Goldfarb
Yea, Schestowitz is like Kelsey, he always has a friend handy or in
kelsey's case an aborted Windows install, when he needs to tell a story
about Linux saving the day.
Snit
6iunrodf3tj8$.1xwh9y52...@40tude.net on 1/23/08 6:24 PM:
Frankly if someone wants to use Linux instead of OS X that is fine with
me... and it sounds like it was done for reasons of personal values (values
not all people share)... and not for usability reasons.
I wonder if *anyone* leaves OS X for usability reasons. If so I would love
to hear the reasoning.
--
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://snipurl.com/BurdenOfProof)
Moshe Goldfarb
Basically that's my point.
However, whatever the reason, he is cutting off his nose to spite his face
because it all ends up being a usability issue. In this case, the lack of
usability is going to have him running right back to OSX.
Snit
I have no problem with someone taking a moral stance that makes their own
life harder. If he really believes in the cause so be it... just do not
expect me or many others to jump in with his cause...
--
God made me an atheist - who are you to question his authority?
Rick
I left OS X for Linux, and I didn't go running back.
--
Rick
Snit
on 1/23/08 8:36 PM:
>>> Frankly if someone wants to use Linux instead of OS X that is fine with
>>> me... and it sounds like it was done for reasons of personal values
>>> (values not all people share)... and not for usability reasons.
>>>
>>> I wonder if *anyone* leaves OS X for usability reasons. If so I would
>>> love to hear the reasoning.
>>
>> Basically that's my point.
>> However, whatever the reason, he is cutting off his nose to spite his
>> face because it all ends up being a usability issue. In this case, the
>> lack of usability is going to have him running right back to OSX.
>
> I left OS X for Linux, and I didn't go running back.
What were your reasons for leaving - I am curious.
--
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments
that take our breath away.
Hadron
But we have already ascertained your needs are pretty basic with all due respect.
Snit
fn94on$s2r$2...@registered.motzarella.org on 1/23/08 9:38 PM:
>>> Basically that's my point.
>>> However, whatever the reason, he is cutting off his nose to spite his
>>> face because it all ends up being a usability issue. In this case, the
>>> lack of usability is going to have him running right back to OSX.
>>
>> I left OS X for Linux, and I didn't go running back.
>
> But we have already ascertained your needs are pretty basic with all due
> respect.
And, frankly, Rick's knowledge of Linux is pretty weak.
--
BU__SH__
Rick
They are not basic compared to many desktop users... WP, SS, Web surfing,
non-professional graphic editing, scanning, email, ripping to CDs,
listening and managing media files. I have done some audio and basic
video editing. I also have a web server with 4 or 5 different sites, and
FTP server, and I use VNC to remote in. That is more advanced than almost
"home user" I know. Those "needs" are the same or more advanced than a
large number of most SOHO users.
Linux can run cluster, do heavy scientific work (ask NASA) and a host of
other complex tasks.
--
Rick
Rick
Linonut
Presumably, people who make such a wish try the alternative long enough
to be pretty certain of their switch.
Don't fall into Goldfarb's Moshe pit. He's prone to pessimistic
pronouncements, anyway.
--
The promise given was a necessity of the past: the word broken is a necessity
of the present.
-- Niccolo Machiavelli
Peter Köhlmann
I see. Snots standard reply to anyone knowing more about linux than himself.
That would be basically around 6 billion people
> <http://ricks-place.tripod.com/computer/computer.html>
>
Don't overwhelm Snot with any facts. After all, he thinks that working
with "files" is difficult, and "folders" are "advanced stuff"
He also hallucinates that he is a "teacher"
-hh
> Hadron wrote:
> > But we have already ascertained your needs are pretty basic with all due
> > respect.
>
> They are not basic compared to many desktop users... WP, SS, Web surfing,
> non-professional graphic editing, scanning, email, ripping to CDs,
> listening and managing media files.
That's pretty much what we expect everyone in our office to be able to
do today, except for the iPod-esque CD ripping and media file
listening.
> I have done some audio and basic video editing.
I'd done some work too over the past decade+, and it has gotten a lot
easier than it started out as. But so have a lot of 7th Grade kids
these days...witness the YouTube generations...and IMO, digital A/V
editing is becoming a "basic" task for much of the next generation,
regardless of what OS platform they're on.
> I also have a web server with 4 or 5 different sites, and
> FTP server, and I use VNC to remote in.
For only $100/year I can get 300GB, which makes it uneconomical to
waste my time bothering to run one myself.
> That is more advanced than almost "home user" I know.
I would have thought so too, until I started to talk with some of the
network gamers. Granted, its a niche, but probably a 5% one, so its
not all that impossible to go find...once you're aware to look for
them. In any event, there's much less of a need for people to bother
to learn how to DIY the old way, since the capability is handed to
them on a silver platter, virtually for free: they've instead become
experts at using Flickr, Photobucket, Picassa, Blogspot, etc.
> Those "needs" are the same or more advanced than a
> large number of most SOHO users.
Above average, sure. However, I don't really see all that much that's
in the extraordinary or heavy-lifting categories. Doeesn't mean that
I am either, but at least I'm aware of the guys still doing Fortran
code by hand, or using SG clusters for LS-Dyna simulations, etc.
> Linux can run cluster, do heavy scientific work (ask NASA) and a host
> of other complex tasks.
And an HP-41cv handheld calculator can land the Space Shuttle:
http://www.nasm.si.edu/spacecraft/GC-hewlett.htm
...but just because they 'can' doesn't mean that they're all being
used that way, nor that it is the best tool for someone else's
application.
-hh
Snit
> Rick wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:43:39 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> "Hadron" <hadro...@googlemail.com> stated in post
>>> fn94on$s2r$2...@registered.motzarella.org on 1/23/08 9:38 PM:
>>>
>>>>>> Basically that's my point.
>>>>>> However, whatever the reason, he is cutting off his nose to spite his
>>>>>> face because it all ends up being a usability issue. In this case,
>>>>>> the lack of usability is going to have him running right back to OSX.
>>>>>
>>>>> I left OS X for Linux, and I didn't go running back.
>>>>
>>>> But we have already ascertained your needs are pretty basic with all
>>>> due respect.
>>>
>>> And, frankly, Rick's knowledge of Linux is pretty weak.
>
> I see. Snots standard reply to anyone knowing more about linux than himself.
> That would be basically around 6 billion people
Read my recent exchange with Rick. When talking about ease of use issues
and novices / non-techies he suggested all sorts of things that made no
sense... even having people install KDE software on Gnome distros - and
going through installers that asked about MySQL and other database back
ends. It was hilarious... he was in so far over his head.
>> <http://ricks-place.tripod.com/computer/computer.html>
>>
>
> Don't overwhelm Snot with any facts. After all, he thinks that working
> with "files" is difficult, and "folders" are "advanced stuff"
No for me... but for many people working with such things is difficult...
they simply do not get the abstract world of the computer.
> He also hallucinates that he is a "teacher"
You sure are angry!
Snit
on 1/24/08 4:49 AM:
I can post links, too. So?
The fact is you made it very clear you were quite ignorant of things dealing
with Linux... you got in very, very far over your head and started
suggesting things such as Amarok for novices on Ubuntu (I showed why that
was a mistake on your part) and then wanted them to know about Ogg Vorbis...
which they could learn as they figured out how to write web pages with
Notepad or whatever BS you were spewing.
You got in over your head when you said Ubuntu was as easy to use as OS X
(or easier) and then were not able to support your claim.
--
One who makes no mistakes, never makes anything.
Snit
on 1/24/08 4:48 AM:
>>>>> Frankly if someone wants to use Linux instead of OS X that is fine
>>>>> with me... and it sounds like it was done for reasons of personal
>>>>> values (values not all people share)... and not for usability
>>>>> reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if *anyone* leaves OS X for usability reasons. If so I
>>>>> would love to hear the reasoning.
>>>>
>>>> Basically that's my point.
>>>> However, whatever the reason, he is cutting off his nose to spite his
>>>> face because it all ends up being a usability issue. In this case, the
>>>> lack of usability is going to have him running right back to OSX.
>>>
>>> I left OS X for Linux, and I didn't go running back.
>>
>> But we have already ascertained your needs are pretty basic with all due
>> respect.
>
> They are not basic compared to many desktop users... WP, SS, Web surfing,
> non-professional graphic editing, scanning, email, ripping to CDs,
> listening and managing media files. I have done some audio and basic
> video editing. I also have a web server with 4 or 5 different sites, and
> FTP server, and I use VNC to remote in. That is more advanced than almost
> "home user" I know. Those "needs" are the same or more advanced than a
> large number of most SOHO users.
Very true... though you might not have advanced needs compared to many of
the folks in COLA/CSMA you clearly do in comparison to the average user.
>
> Linux can run cluster, do heavy scientific work (ask NASA) and a host of
> other complex tasks.
--
BU__SH__
Steve Carroll
Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
Snit's pretending to know about Linux now;)
--
"Apple is pushing how green this is - but it [Macbook Air] is
clearly disposable... when the battery dies you can pretty much
just throw it away". - Snit
Benchmarks generally say very little about productivity. - Snit
Peter Köhlmann
> In article <C3BD658B.A3E60%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> "Hadron" <hadro...@googlemail.com> stated in post
>> fn94on$s2r$2...@registered.motzarella.org on 1/23/08 9:38 PM:
>>
>> >>> Basically that's my point.
>> >>> However, whatever the reason, he is cutting off his nose to spite his
>> >>> face because it all ends up being a usability issue. In this case,
>> >>> the lack of usability is going to have him running right back to OSX.
>> >>
>> >> I left OS X for Linux, and I didn't go running back.
>> >
>> > But we have already ascertained your needs are pretty basic with all
>> > due respect.
>>
>> And, frankly, Rick's knowledge of Linux is pretty weak.
>
> Snit's pretending to know about Linux now;)
>
He is a "teacher", you know...
--
Who the fuck is General Failure, and why is he reading my harddisk?
Snit
I do not "pretend" to know Linux well... I am very open about not knowing it
particularly well. Rick's knowledge, however, is also clearly weak about
Linux. I am happy to provide recent examples where this is shown.
Linonut
Those who cannot do... teach!
--
A prince never lacks legitimate reasons to break his promise.
-- Niccolo Machiavelli
Moshe Goldfarb
And those that can't teach, teach physical education!
Peter Köhlmann
And in Snots case, even that is a total failure
I can't imagine anyone less qualified for teaching. Or for anything else,
for that matter
But then, he just claims to be a teacher. Anybody knows what Snots claims
are worth. "Nothing" would still be way too high
--
Klingon function calls do not have 'parameters' -
they have 'arguments' - and they ALWAYS WIN THEM.
Peter Köhlmann
No. They call themselves "Snot", troll usenet and claim to know something
about computers
Or nymshift like mad. Like you, Gary "flatfish" Stewart
--
Warning: 10 days have passed since your last Windows reinstall.
Hadron
Did you mention that to Spike1? The chap who advocates Linux but uses
Windows to teach others?
Snit
And those who can do nothing else post angry ignorant messages to Usenet
like Carroll and Peter. :)
--
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and
conscientious stupidity. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
Snit
You sure are angry.
--
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing. - Edmund Burke
Snit
Hey! I like OS X but teach on Windows more often than I do on Macs.
Pushing to get more Mac classes though.
--
Teachers open the door but you must walk through it yourself.
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post 13pguqr...@news.supernews.com
> on 1/24/08 4:49 AM:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:43:39 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> "Hadron" <hadro...@googlemail.com> stated in post
>>> fn94on$s2r$2...@registered.motzarella.org on 1/23/08 9:38 PM:
>>>
>>>>>> Basically that's my point.
>>>>>> However, whatever the reason, he is cutting off his nose to spite his
>>>>>> face because it all ends up being a usability issue. In this case,
>>>>>> the lack of usability is going to have him running right back to OSX.
>>>>> I left OS X for Linux, and I didn't go running back.
>>>> But we have already ascertained your needs are pretty basic with all
>>>> due respect.
>>> And, frankly, Rick's knowledge of Linux is pretty weak.
>> <http://ricks-place.tripod.com/computer/computer.html>
>
> I can post links, too. So?
So read the information posted there.
>
> The fact is you made it very clear you were quite ignorant of things dealing
> with Linux... you got in very, very far over your head and started
> suggesting things such as Amarok for novices on Ubuntu (I showed why that
> was a mistake on your part) and then wanted them to know about Ogg Vorbis...
> which they could learn as they figured out how to write web pages with
> Notepad or whatever BS you were spewing.
>
> You got in over your head when you said Ubuntu was as easy to use as OS X
> (or easier) and then were not able to support your claim.
>
>
The fact is, I have been using different versions of Linux for about 10
years. I was using Linux when you still had to edit the config files if
you wanted to start X by default. I've used 2 different versions of PPC
Linux (LinuxPPC and Yellow Dog)along side OS X before I switched from OS
X. And, BTW, I compiled my favorite OSS apps in OS X and ran them under
X, and switched anyway.I installed different versions of Linux on an old
laptop back when getting Linux running on a laptop with graphics and
sound was surprising. I know the difference between a distribution, and
a windowing environment. From your statements, you don't seem to. On my
home computer, I have 4-5 web sites running under Apache. I have an ftp
server, and I remote in using VNC and/or ssh. You would have read about
a lot of this if you had bothered to look at the link.
In short, and in fact, it seems I know a hell of a lot more about Linux
based distros than you do.
--
Rick
Rick
--
Rick
Snit
on 1/25/08 11:42 AM:
> Snit wrote:
>> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post 13pguqr...@news.supernews.com
>> on 1/24/08 4:49 AM:
>>
>>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:43:39 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Hadron" <hadro...@googlemail.com> stated in post
>>>> fn94on$s2r$2...@registered.motzarella.org on 1/23/08 9:38 PM:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Basically that's my point.
>>>>>>> However, whatever the reason, he is cutting off his nose to spite his
>>>>>>> face because it all ends up being a usability issue. In this case,
>>>>>>> the lack of usability is going to have him running right back to OSX.
>>>>>> I left OS X for Linux, and I didn't go running back.
>>>>> But we have already ascertained your needs are pretty basic with all
>>>>> due respect.
>>>> And, frankly, Rick's knowledge of Linux is pretty weak.
>>> <http://ricks-place.tripod.com/computer/computer.html>
>>
>> I can post links, too. So?
>
> So read the information posted there.
You make all sorts of claims... but I am in reference to your comments in
COLA.
What the page does show is that you do not know how to prevent background
images from repeating, and that you do not know the importance of including
character encoding or parse model information.
<http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fricks-place.tripod
.com%2Fcomputer%2Fcomputer.html>
>> The fact is you made it very clear you were quite ignorant of things dealing
>> with Linux... you got in very, very far over your head and started
>> suggesting things such as Amarok for novices on Ubuntu (I showed why that
>> was a mistake on your part) and then wanted them to know about Ogg Vorbis...
>> which they could learn as they figured out how to write web pages with
>> Notepad or whatever BS you were spewing.
>>
>> You got in over your head when you said Ubuntu was as easy to use as OS X
>> (or easier) and then were not able to support your claim.
>>
> The fact is, I have been using different versions of Linux for about 10
> years.
Irrelevant to the point I made, but OK. I do not blame you for trying to
sooth your ego by thinking of such information but really you just put a bad
light on yourself: if you really have been using Linux for that long but
still cannot support your claims about it (which you cannot) then that
speaks poorly of you.
> I was using Linux when you still had to edit the config files if you wanted to
> start X by default. I've used 2 different versions of PPC Linux (LinuxPPC and
> Yellow Dog)along side OS X before I switched from OS X. And, BTW, I compiled
> my favorite OSS apps in OS X and ran them under X, and switched anyway.I
> installed different versions of Linux on an old laptop back when getting Linux
> running on a laptop with graphics and sound was surprising. I know the
> difference between a distribution, and a windowing environment. From your
> statements, you don't seem to.
Where did you come to *that* conclusion? Please, quote the material that
made you believe that.
> On my home computer, I have 4-5 web sites running under Apache. I have an ftp
> server, and I remote in using VNC and/or ssh. You would have read about a lot
> of this if you had bothered to look at the link.
What you claim and what you show are incongruent.
> In short, and in fact, it seems I know a hell of a lot more about Linux
> based distros than you do.
And yet you cannot support your claims about Linux, did not understand why
pointing novice / non-techies to Amarok on Ubuntu was a bad idea, and
suggested these same users learn about Ogg Vorbis and create web pages with
Notepad.
You simply got in over your head. Move on.
--
"Innovation is not about saying yes to everything. It's about saying NO to
all but the most crucial features." -- Steve Jobs
Snit
on 1/25/08 11:43 AM:
Do not accept the judgments of ignorant folks such as yourself... neither
you nor anybody in COLA or CSMA has *ever* been in one of my classes to know
a thing about my teaching.
--
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is to try to please
everyone. -- Bill Cosby
Tim Smith
Linonut <lin...@bollsouth.nut> wrote:
>
> Those who cannot do... teach!
And sometimes those who *can* do teach, too. and can even be really good
at both doing and teaching. Example: Feynman.
--
--Tim Smith
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> 13pkbei...@news.supernews.com on 1/25/08 11:43 AM:
>
>> Linonut wrote:
>>> * Peter Köhlmann peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>
>>>> Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <C3BD658B.A3E60%CS...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
>>>>> Snit <CS...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Hadron" <hadro...@googlemail.com> stated in post
>>>>>> fn94on$s2r$2...@registered.motzarella.org on 1/23/08 9:38 PM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Basically that's my point.
>>>>>>>>> However, whatever the reason, he is cutting off his nose to
>>>>>>>>> spite his face because it all ends up being a usability issue.
>>>>>>>>> In this case, the lack of usability is going to have him running
>>>>>>>>> right back to OSX.
>>>>>>>> I left OS X for Linux, and I didn't go running back.
>>>>>>> But we have already ascertained your needs are pretty basic with
>>>>>>> all due respect.
>>>>>> And, frankly, Rick's knowledge of Linux is pretty weak.
>>>>> Snit's pretending to know about Linux now;)
>>>> He is a "teacher", you know...
>>>
>>> Those who cannot do... teach!
>>>
>> Do not judge teachers by Snit.
>
> Do not accept the judgments of ignorant folks such as yourself...
I am not ignorant of the the subjects you accuse me.
> neither you nor anybody in COLA or CSMA has *ever* been in one of my
> classes to know a thing about my teaching.
You show a lack of knowledge of Linux and OSS based software. And because
of that ignorance, you say that others are ignorant. You are living proof
of the adage "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than
to open it and remove all doubt."
--
Rick
Linonut
Surely you're joking Mr. Smith! <grin>
I have an album, "Back Tuva Future" which features some of Feynman's
taped dialogue as the background for Kongar-ol Ondar's throat-singing.
An odd, but nice, album.
--
Where the willingness is great, the difficulties cannot be great.
-- Niccolo Machiavelli
Snit
1/25/08 1:56 PM:
You claim to know about my classes and about my teaching - topics of which
you are completely ignorant about.
>> neither you nor anybody in COLA or CSMA has *ever* been in one of my
>> classes to know a thing about my teaching.
>
> You show a lack of knowledge of Linux and OSS based software.
As do you. OK.
> And because of that ignorance, you say that others are ignorant.
Incorrect. I pointed out specific areas where your comments were ignorant:
expecting novice / non-techie users to know about Ogg Vorbis and making web
pages with Notepad... and expecting them to install KDE software on a Gnome
based package with an installer that is clearly not designed for such users.
You got in over your head... you simply were never able to support your
claim about Ubuntu being as easy to use or easier than OS X.
> You are living proof of the adage "Better to keep your mouth shut and be
> thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
I can play the insult game, too: your dog hates you.
Does that make you feel better?
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> 13pkbbs...@news.supernews.com on 1/25/08 11:42 AM:
>
>> Snit wrote:
>>> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
>>> 13pguqr...@news.supernews.com on 1/24/08 4:49 AM:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:43:39 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Hadron" <hadro...@googlemail.com> stated in post
>>>>> fn94on$s2r$2...@registered.motzarella.org on 1/23/08 9:38 PM:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Basically that's my point.
>>>>>>>> However, whatever the reason, he is cutting off his nose to spite
>>>>>>>> his face because it all ends up being a usability issue. In this
>>>>>>>> case, the lack of usability is going to have him running right
>>>>>>>> back to OSX.
>>>>>>> I left OS X for Linux, and I didn't go running back.
>>>>>> But we have already ascertained your needs are pretty basic with
>>>>>> all due respect.
>>>>> And, frankly, Rick's knowledge of Linux is pretty weak.
>>>> <http://ricks-place.tripod.com/computer/computer.html>
>>>
>>> I can post links, too. So?
>>
>> So read the information posted there.
>
> You make all sorts of claims...
That comment implies I am lying. I am not.
> but I am in reference to your comments in COLA.
I am also in reference to your comments in COLA.
>
> What the page does show is that you do not know how to prevent
> background images from repeating, and that you do not know the
> importance of including character encoding or parse model information.
>
> <http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fricks-
place.tripod
> .com%2Fcomputer%2Fcomputer.html>
I didn't place any repeating background images on <http://ricks-
place.tripod.com/computer/computer.html>. As for the second error, I
generated that page a long time ago. IIRC I used either NVU, or
Dreamweaver, or both. Blame them. The page shows up OK in IE, Opera and
Firefox.
>
>>> The fact is you made it very clear you were quite ignorant of things
>>> dealing with Linux... you got in very, very far over your head and
>>> started suggesting things such as Amarok for novices on Ubuntu (I
>>> showed why that was a mistake on your part) and then wanted them to
>>> know about Ogg Vorbis... which they could learn as they figured out
>>> how to write web pages with Notepad or whatever BS you were spewing.
>>>
>>> You got in over your head when you said Ubuntu was as easy to use as
>>> OS X (or easier) and then were not able to support your claim.
>>>
>> The fact is, I have been using different versions of Linux for about 10
>> years.
>
> Irrelevant to the point I made, but OK.
It is not irrelevant.
> I do not blame you for trying
> to sooth your ego by thinking of such information but really you just
> put a bad light on yourself:
It is that kind of comment that gets you called all those names you don't
like.
> if you really have been using Linux for
> that long but still cannot support your claims about it (which you
> cannot) then that speaks poorly of you.
You are the one saying I cannot support claims. I said I chose not to.
>
>> I was using Linux when you still had to edit the config files if you
>> wanted to start X by default. I've used 2 different versions of PPC
>> Linux (LinuxPPC and Yellow Dog)along side OS X before I switched from
>> OS X. And, BTW, I compiled my favorite OSS apps in OS X and ran them
>> under X, and switched anyway.I installed different versions of Linux on
>> an old laptop back when getting Linux running on a laptop with graphics
>> and sound was surprising. I know the difference between a distribution,
>> and a windowing environment. From your statements, you don't seem to.
>
> Where did you come to *that* conclusion? Please, quote the material
> that made you believe that.
One is the comment you made about how "Ubuntu" choose what applications
to run.
>
>> On my home computer, I have 4-5 web sites running under Apache. I have
>> an ftp server, and I remote in using VNC and/or ssh. You would have
>> read about a lot of this if you had bothered to look at the link.
>
> What you claim and what you show are incongruent.
They are not. I run Apache. I run proftpd. I use x11vnc.
>
>> In short, and in fact, it seems I know a hell of a lot more about Linux
>> based distros than you do.
>
> And yet you cannot support your claims about Linux,
It is your incorrect infernce that I CANNOT support claims. You
incorrectly assume that since I do not, I cannot.
> did not understand
> why pointing novice / non-techies to Amarok on Ubuntu was a bad idea,
I suggested Amarok as a good music orgaizer and player. I suggested
Amarok. So what? Beeg Deel.
> and suggested these same users learn about Ogg Vorbis
And you took that completely out of context. I said they should learn
about other formats... such as Ogg. There's mp3 in there, too. And yes,
our beginning students do learn about different formats.
What do you tell your beginning students when they ask you why they can't
put their iTunes music on an --mp3-- player? Or a non-Apple player?
> and create web pages with Notepad.
I did not say novices should learn to create web pages with notepad, and
you know it. You asked what software I used in my curriculum to write Web
pages. Again, you asked what I use in my curriculum. I specifically told
you, in my curriculum, Web Design 1 students use notepad. Why? They
learn to write HTML before they use GUI apps so they can troubleshoot the
code written by the GUI apps, as specifically recommended by our Steering
Committee. You simply assumed I was talking about "novices". It even came
up in the thread, and I asked you if you though novices took Web Design
1. They don't, BTW, at least not in our programs.
>
> You simply got in over your head. Move on.
You're a liar. Accept it.
--
Rick
Snit
on 1/25/08 2:19 PM:
...
>> You make all sorts of claims...
>
> That comment implies I am lying. I am not.
All of your claims are lies? I would assume not! I would hope some of your
claims are honest!
>
>> but I am in reference to your comments in COLA.
>
> I am also in reference to your comments in COLA.
Such as which ones?
...
> I didn't place any repeating background images on <http://ricks-
> place.tripod.com/computer/computer.html>.
Make the page wide - you can see it repeat.
> As for the second error, I generated that page a long time ago. IIRC I used
> either NVU, or Dreamweaver, or both. Blame them. The page shows up OK in IE,
> Opera and Firefox.
There is more to page design than having it show up "OK".
...
>>> The fact is, I have been using different versions of Linux for about 10
>>> years.
>>
>> Irrelevant to the point I made, but OK.
>
> It is not irrelevant.
Then explain why your comments on a web page about you claimed experience
are relevant to your ignorance comments about Ubuntu and users.
...
> You are the one saying I cannot support claims. I said I chose not to.
You cannot. It is very clear. The rest of your BS about your
qualifications is meant to hide that fact.
You got in over your head. I am not interested in your meta debates over
why you posted such ignorant stuff.
>>> I was using Linux when you still had to edit the config files if you
>>> wanted to start X by default. I've used 2 different versions of PPC
>>> Linux (LinuxPPC and Yellow Dog)along side OS X before I switched from
>>> OS X. And, BTW, I compiled my favorite OSS apps in OS X and ran them
>>> under X, and switched anyway.I installed different versions of Linux on
>>> an old laptop back when getting Linux running on a laptop with graphics
>>> and sound was surprising. I know the difference between a distribution,
>>> and a windowing environment. From your statements, you don't seem to.
>>
>> Where did you come to *that* conclusion? Please, quote the material
>> that made you believe that.
>
> One is the comment you made about how "Ubuntu" choose what applications
> to run.
The fact you would question me when I note that the people who make Ubuntu
chose what applications to include in the distro shows your ignorance about
Linux.
...
>> And yet you cannot support your claims about Linux,
>
> It is your incorrect infernce that I CANNOT support claims. You
> incorrectly assume that since I do not, I cannot.
It is clear you cannot. Your posturing is irrelevant.
>
>> did not understand
>> why pointing novice / non-techies to Amarok on Ubuntu was a bad idea,
>
> I suggested Amarok as a good music orgaizer and player. I suggested
> Amarok. So what? Beeg Deel.
It was, as I showed, a mistake for you to do so in the context of the
discussion.
>> and suggested these same users learn about Ogg Vorbis
>
> And you took that completely out of context.
Quote your original comments and how you think I took them out of context.
...
>> and create web pages with Notepad.
>
> I did not say novices should learn to create web pages with notepad
Incorrect. When I asked you where in your curriculum for the users in
question (n/nts) you would talk about Ogg Vorbis you talked about web design
with Notepad.
> , and you know it. You asked what software I used in my curriculum to write
> Web pages.
I asked no such thing. You are simply lying.
> Again, you asked what I use in my curriculum. I specifically told you, in my
> curriculum, Web Design 1 students use notepad. Why? They learn to write HTML
> before they use GUI apps so they can troubleshoot the code written by the GUI
> apps, as specifically recommended by our Steering Committee. You simply
> assumed I was talking about "novices".
I assumed you were staying on topic. Only after I pointed out your mistake
did you claim you had gone off topic.
> It even came up in the thread, and I asked you if you though novices took Web
> Design 1. They don't, BTW, at least not in our programs.
You are way off topic.
>> You simply got in over your head. Move on.
>
> You're a liar. Accept it.
Your saying so is irrelevant. I am not interested in your silly insults -
try to stay focused!
--
BU__SH__
Rick
No, I don't. I say thinks like, your words (or actions) imply or suggest.
>
>>> neither you nor anybody in COLA or CSMA has *ever* been in one of my
>>> classes to know a thing about my teaching.
>>
>> You show a lack of knowledge of Linux and OSS based software.
>
> As do you. OK.
No, I don't. OK.
>
>> And because of that ignorance, you say that others are ignorant.
>
> Incorrect.
Correct.
>I pointed out specific areas where your comments were
> ignorant: expecting novice / non-techie users to know about Ogg Vorbis
I said they should learn about media formats SUCH AS Ogg, AND mp3.
> and making web pages with Notepad...
I didn't say novices should make web pages with notepad. You asked me
about my curriculum. So I told you. Web 1 students use notepad and write
HTML. You make incorrect assumptions.
> and expecting them to install KDE
> software on a Gnome based package with an installer that is clearly not
> designed for such users.
Actually, the software installer is quite simple.
>
> You got in over your head...
Actually you are a liar. And a repetitive one at that.
> you simply were never able to support your
> claim about Ubuntu being as easy to use or easier than OS X.
I chose not to. You keep lying about it. And I said "as easy or easier",
as you have been told.
>
>> You are living proof of the adage "Better to keep your mouth shut and
>> be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
>
> I can play the insult game, too: your dog hates you.
You have no way of knowing. In fact, he loves me very much. He is lying
beside me at this very moment.
>
> Does that make you feel better?
... that he is lying here with me? Yes.
--
Rick
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> 13pkkj9...@news.supernews.com on 1/25/08 2:19 PM:
>
> ...
>>> You make all sorts of claims...
>>
>> That comment implies I am lying. I am not.
>
> All of your claims are lies? I would assume not! I would hope some of
> your claims are honest!
Your use of the word claim implies dishonesty.
>>
>>> but I am in reference to your comments in COLA.
>>
>> I am also in reference to your comments in COLA.
>
> Such as which ones?
We have discussed many of them.
>
> ...
>> I didn't place any repeating background images on <http://ricks-
>> place.tripod.com/computer/computer.html>.
>
> Make the page wide - you can see it repeat.
So it does. Crap. Monitors were much smaller. I will have to edit it.
Well, that's what happens if you use GUI apps and don't learn the basics
when you do something.
>
>> As for the second error, I generated that page a long time ago. IIRC I
>> used either NVU, or Dreamweaver, or both. Blame them. The page shows up
>> OK in IE, Opera and Firefox.
>
> There is more to page design than having it show up "OK".
What is with all this "OK" crap?
And I did that page a long time ago... and haven't seen the need to
revisit it.
>
> ...
>>>> The fact is, I have been using different versions of Linux for about
>>>> 10 years.
>>>
>>> Irrelevant to the point I made, but OK.
>>
>> It is not irrelevant.
>
> Then explain why your comments on a web page about you claimed
> experience are relevant to your ignorance comments about Ubuntu and
> users.
Your insistence on me making ignorant claims are incorrect assumptions on
your part. You jump to conclusions, and then decide you are right. OK.
> ...
>> You are the one saying I cannot support claims. I said I chose not to.
>
> You cannot.
You cannot know that. You can assume it, think it, hope it, but cannot
know it.
> It is very clear.
It is not clear.
> The rest of your BS about your qualifications is meant to hide that
fact.
... and there you go with YOUR accusations of lying. I told your use of
the word claim implied dishonesty. Everything I put on that web page is
true.
>
> You got in over your head. I am not interested in your meta debates
> over why you posted such ignorant stuff.
Of course not. Your world would break apart. OK.
>
>>>> I was using Linux when you still had to edit the config files if you
>>>> wanted to start X by default. I've used 2 different versions of PPC
>>>> Linux (LinuxPPC and Yellow Dog)along side OS X before I switched from
>>>> OS X. And, BTW, I compiled my favorite OSS apps in OS X and ran them
>>>> under X, and switched anyway.I installed different versions of Linux
>>>> on an old laptop back when getting Linux running on a laptop with
>>>> graphics and sound was surprising. I know the difference between a
>>>> distribution, and a windowing environment. From your statements, you
>>>> don't seem to.
>>>
>>> Where did you come to *that* conclusion? Please, quote the material
>>> that made you believe that.
>>
>> One is the comment you made about how "Ubuntu" choose what applications
>> to run.
>
> The fact you would question me when I note that the people who make
> Ubuntu chose what applications to include in the distro shows your
> ignorance about Linux.
WTF?
>
> ...
>>> And yet you cannot support your claims about Linux,
>>
>> It is your incorrect inference that I CANNOT support claims. You
>> incorrectly assume that since I do not, I cannot.
>
> It is clear you cannot. Your posturing is irrelevant.
It is not clear. I simply chose not to.
>>
>>> did not understand
>>> why pointing novice / non-techies to Amarok on Ubuntu was a bad idea,
>>
>> I suggested Amarok as a good music organizer and player. I suggested
>> Amarok. So what? Beeg Deel.
>
> It was, as I showed, a mistake for you to do so in the context of the
> discussion.
It is a good app. Go read the reviews. Does it have rough spots? Yup. Oh,
well.
>
>>> and suggested these same users learn about Ogg Vorbis
>>
>> And you took that completely out of context.
>
> Quote your original comments and how you think I took them out of
> context.
Other people have quoted them to you.
>
> ...
>>> and create web pages with Notepad.
>>
>> I did not say novices should learn to create web pages with notepad
>
> Incorrect. When I asked you where in your curriculum for the users in
> question (n/nts) you would talk about Ogg Vorbis you talked about web
> design with Notepad.
>
>> , and you know it. You asked what software I used in my curriculum to
>> write Web pages.
>
> I asked no such thing. You are simply lying.
********************************************
From: Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:49:00 -0700
Subject: Re: Snit repeats his lies.
>> When do you put Ogg Vorbis in your "curriculum"?
> In Computing for College during the introduction to media and during Web
> I, when learning how to place various media into web pages. We will
> probably add media formats to PC Support, too,
When learning to make web pages! My goodness... with what software? With
novices? Or did you just admit you do not put Ogg Vorbis into a novice's
curriculum?
************************************************
And notice you made the incorrect assumption I was talking about novices
when I was talking about Web 1.
>
>> Again, you asked what I use in my curriculum. I specifically told you,
>> in my curriculum, Web Design 1 students use notepad. Why? They learn
>> to write HTML before they use GUI apps so they can troubleshoot the
>> code written by the GUI apps, as specifically recommended by our
>> Steering Committee. You simply assumed I was talking about "novices".
>
> I assumed you were staying on topic. Only after I pointed out your
> mistake did you claim you had gone off topic.
Uh, no. You made an incorrect assumption. You asked about my curriculum.
I told you about it. You made assumptions about student experience.
>
>> It even came up in the thread, and I asked you if you though novices
>> took Web Design 1. They don't, BTW, at least not in our programs.
>
> You are way off topic.
You are running scared.
>
>>> You simply got in over your head. Move on.
>>
>> You're a liar. Accept it.
>
> Your saying so is irrelevant. I am not interested in your silly insults
> - try to stay focused!
You are liar. OK.
Focus on reforming.
--
Rick
Snit
on 1/25/08 3:05 PM:
On and on you go, but you still are not able to support your claims about
Linux so you post claims about your experience. You claim to know more
about Linux than I do but your actions show otherwise - just in the last few
hours, in response to a post where I pointed you to this movie:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/ubuntu_open.mov> you had to ask:
Are you sure it wasn't Nautilus and/or Metacity? Or have you
changed your window and desktop managers?
You also denied you suggested novice users use Notepad to write web pages,
but you clearly did:
Snit:
And in the midst of this discussion about novices and
non-techies you claimed they should know such details as
what Ogg Vorbis is. Wow...
Rick:
They should learn what ogg vorbis is, or at least what
differeing media formats are.
Snit:
LOL! Before or after they learn what a file and folder
are... and what file formats in general are... and when to
click or double click? When do you put Ogg Vorbis in your
"curriculum"? LOL! You are so far in over your head here,
Rick, you do not even know you are drowning.
Rick:
After, probably. ... In Computing for College during the
introduction to media and during Web I, when learning how to
place various media into web pages. We will probably add
media formats to PC Support, too,
Notice how the topic was, clearly, "novices and non-techies" and you jumped
to the idea making web pages in a Web I class... you later said they would
use Notepad or WordPad to do some of their coding. LOL! You were so damed
far in over your head. Hilarious!
In the end you simply are not able to support your claims about Linux and
when you try you make a complete fool of yourself.
--
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
--Aldous Huxley
Snit
on 1/25/08 3:26 PM:
...
>>> I am also in reference to your comments in COLA.
>>
>> Such as which ones?
>
> We have discussed many of them.
Your dodge is noted. OK.
>> ...
>>> I didn't place any repeating background images on <http://ricks-
>>> place.tripod.com/computer/computer.html>.
>>
>> Make the page wide - you can see it repeat.
>
> So it does. Crap.
At least you admit to this error of yours. Note I had to pointed it out to
you and you denied it. I then gave you a simple test to prove it to you...
very simple. And you found, of course, I was right.
When the tests are not so simply or when things are not so clear cut or when
you are simply in too far over your head you refuse to admit to your
mistakes. Learn from your admission here... it is a good thing.
> Monitors were much smaller. I will have to edit it. Well, that's what happens
> if you use GUI apps and don't learn the basics when you do something.
LOL! Blame the GUI app. I use Dreamweaver (and teach it) and it certainly
does not make one do that. One can, of course, but it is the users choice.
>>> As for the second error, I generated that page a long time ago. IIRC I
>>> used either NVU, or Dreamweaver, or both. Blame them. The page shows up
>>> OK in IE, Opera and Firefox.
>>
>> There is more to page design than having it show up "OK".
>
> What is with all this "OK" crap?
That was your word, quoted directly before mine. Are you feeling OK?
>
> And I did that page a long time ago... and haven't seen the need to
> revisit it.
But you wanted me to look at it anyway. Lovely.
>>
>> ...
>>>>> The fact is, I have been using different versions of Linux for about
>>>>> 10 years.
>>>>
>>>> Irrelevant to the point I made, but OK.
>>>
>>> It is not irrelevant.
>>
>> Then explain why your comments on a web page about you claimed
>> experience are relevant to your ignorance comments about Ubuntu and
>> users.
>
> Your insistence on me making ignorant claims are incorrect assumptions on
> your part. You jump to conclusions, and then decide you are right. OK.
You sure make a lot of accusations. Does it help you to feel better about
yourself or something?
...
I snipped your weasly running from the fact you cannot - absolutely cannot -
support your claims about Ubuntu being as easy to use or easier than OS X.
You cannot do so. Stop whining about it.
>>> One is the comment you made about how "Ubuntu" choose what applications
>>> to run.
>>
>> The fact you would question me when I note that the people who make
>> Ubuntu chose what applications to include in the distro shows your
>> ignorance about Linux.
>
> WTF?
Where did you get confused. Sorry to go over your head again.
...
>>> I suggested Amarok as a good music organizer and player. I suggested
>>> Amarok. So what? Beeg Deel.
>>
>> It was, as I showed, a mistake for you to do so in the context of the
>> discussion.
>
> It is a good app. Go read the reviews. Does it have rough spots? Yup. Oh,
> well.
Please quote where you think I said it was not a "good app". You can't.
You made that up. Amazing.
>
>>
>>>> and suggested these same users learn about Ogg Vorbis
>>>
>>> And you took that completely out of context.
>>
>> Quote your original comments and how you think I took them out of
>> context.
>
> Other people have quoted them to you.
So you say but you cannot. That is funny.
...
>>>> and create web pages with Notepad.
>>>
>>> I did not say novices should learn to create web pages with notepad
>>
>> Incorrect. When I asked you where in your curriculum for the users in
>> question (n/nts) you would talk about Ogg Vorbis you talked about web
>> design with Notepad.
>>
>>> , and you know it. You asked what software I used in my curriculum to
>>> write Web pages.
>>
>> I asked no such thing. You are simply lying.
>
> ********************************************
>
> From: Snit <C...@gallopinginsanity.com>
> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 08:49:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: Snit repeats his lies.
Your lack of quote is telling. Here is the relevant part of that
conversation:
Snit:
And in the midst of this discussion about novices and
non-techies you claimed they should know such details as
what Ogg Vorbis is. Wow...
Rick:
They should learn what ogg vorbis is, or at least what
differeing media formats are.
Snit:
LOL! Before or after they learn what a file and folder
are... and what file formats in general are... and when to
click or double click? When do you put Ogg Vorbis in your
"curriculum"? LOL! You are so far in over your head here,
Rick, you do not even know you are drowning.
Rick:
After, probably. ... In Computing for College during the
introduction to media and during Web I, when learning how to
place various media into web pages. We will probably add
media formats to PC Support, too,
Notice how the topic was, clearly, "novices and non-techies" and you jumped
to the idea making web pages in a Web I class... you later said they would
use Notepad or WordPad to do some of their coding. LOL! You were so damed
far in over your head. Hilarious!
In the end you simply are not able to support your claims about Linux and
when you try you make a complete fool of yourself.
>>> When do you put Ogg Vorbis in your "curriculum"?
>
>> In Computing for College during the introduction to media and during Web
>> I, when learning how to place various media into web pages. We will
>> probably add media formats to PC Support, too,
>
> When learning to make web pages! My goodness... with what software? With
> novices? Or did you just admit you do not put Ogg Vorbis into a novice's
> curriculum?
>
> ************************************************
>
> And notice you made the incorrect assumption I was talking about novices
> when I was talking about Web 1.
Look above. We were talking about novices and non-techies. Are you saying
you were in so far over your head you could not keep track of who you were
even talking about?
--
Satan lives for my sins... now *that* is dedication!
Rick
So tell us which one you think it was... if you can.
> You also denied you suggested novice users use Notepad to write web
> pages, but you clearly did:
>
> Snit:
> And in the midst of this discussion about novices and non-techies
> you claimed they should know such details as what Ogg Vorbis is.
> Wow...
>
> Rick:
> They should learn what ogg vorbis is, or at least what differing
> media formats are.
>
> Snit:
> LOL! Before or after they learn what a file and folder are... and
> what file formats in general are... and when to click or double
> click? When do you put Ogg Vorbis in your "curriculum"? LOL! You
> are so far in over your head here, Rick, you do not even know you
> are drowning.
>
> Rick:
> After, probably. ... In Computing for College during the
> introduction to media and during Web I, when learning how to place
> various media into web pages. We will probably add media formats to
> PC Support, too,
>
> Notice how the topic was, clearly, "novices and non-techies" and you
> jumped to the idea making web pages in a Web I class... you later said
> they would use Notepad or WordPad to do some of their coding. LOL! You
> were so damed far in over your head. Hilarious!
Notice how you asked abut my curriculum and I answered.
>
> In the end you simply are not able to support your claims
In the end I simply didn't support my statements. You hope I can't but
you don't know I can't.
> about Linux
> and when you try you make a complete fool of yourself.
--
Rick
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> 13pkoh3...@news.supernews.com on 1/25/08 3:26 PM:
>
> ...
>>>> I am also in reference to your comments in COLA.
>>>
>>> Such as which ones?
>>
>> We have discussed many of them.
>
> Your dodge is noted. OK.
There is no dodge. OK.
>>> ...
>>>> I didn't place any repeating background images on <http://ricks-
>>>> place.tripod.com/computer/computer.html>.
>>>
>>> Make the page wide - you can see it repeat.
>>
>> So it does. Crap.
>
> At least you admit to this error of yours. Note I had to pointed it out
> to you and you denied it. I then gave you a simple test to prove it to
> you... very simple. And you found, of course, I was right.
You are such a pompous ass.
>
> When the tests are not so simply or when things are not so clear cut or
> when you are simply in too far over your head you refuse to admit to
> your mistakes. Learn from your admission here... it is a good thing.
You are such a pompous ass.
>
>> Monitors were much smaller. I will have to edit it. Well, that's what
>> happens if you use GUI apps and don't learn the basics when you do
>> something.
>
> LOL! Blame the GUI app. I use Dreamweaver (and teach it) and it
> certainly does not make one do that. One can, of course, but it is the
> users choice.
>
>
>>>> As for the second error, I generated that page a long time ago. IIRC
>>>> I used either NVU, or Dreamweaver, or both. Blame them. The page
>>>> shows up OK in IE, Opera and Firefox.
>>>
>>> There is more to page design than having it show up "OK".
>>
>> What is with all this "OK" crap?
>
> That was your word, quoted directly before mine. Are you feeling OK?
You use Ok all the freakin time.
>>
>> And I did that page a long time ago... and haven't seen the need to
>> revisit it.
>
> But you wanted me to look at it anyway. Lovely.
I wanted you to read it. Read the information. But you can't see to get
that through your thick skull.
>
>
>>> ...
>>>>>> The fact is, I have been using different versions of Linux for
>>>>>> about 10 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Irrelevant to the point I made, but OK.
>>>>
>>>> It is not irrelevant.
>>>
>>> Then explain why your comments on a web page about you claimed
>>> experience are relevant to your ignorance comments about Ubuntu and
>>> users.
>>
>> Your insistence on me making ignorant claims are incorrect assumptions
>> on your part. You jump to conclusions, and then decide you are right.
>> OK.
>
> You sure make a lot of accusations. Does it help you to feel better
> about yourself or something?
Do you still abuse small animals?
>
> ...
>
> I snipped your weasly running from the fact you cannot - absolutely
> cannot - support your claims about Ubuntu being as easy to use or easier
> than OS X. You cannot do so. Stop whining about it.
I did not support my statement. You have no way of know if I can or
cannot.
>
>>>> One is the comment you made about how "Ubuntu" choose what
>>>> applications to run.
>>>
>>> The fact you would question me when I note that the people who make
>>> Ubuntu chose what applications to include in the distro shows your
>>> ignorance about Linux.
>>
>> WTF?
>
> Where did you get confused. Sorry to go over your head again.
You're are real one note schmuck.
>
> ...
>>>> I suggested Amarok as a good music organizer and player. I suggested
>>>> Amarok. So what? Beeg Deel.
>>>
>>> It was, as I showed, a mistake for you to do so in the context of the
>>> discussion.
>>
>> It is a good app. Go read the reviews. Does it have rough spots? Yup.
>> Oh, well.
>
> Please quote where you think I said it was not a "good app". You can't.
> You made that up. Amazing.
Please note where I said you said it wasn't a good app. You can't. You
made that up. Amazing.
>>
>>
>>>>> and suggested these same users learn about Ogg Vorbis
>>>>
>>>> And you took that completely out of context.
>>>
>>> Quote your original comments and how you think I took them out of
>>> context.
>>
>> Other people have quoted them to you.
>
> So you say but you cannot. That is funny.
You are pathetic.
YOUR QUESTION: When do you put Ogg Vorbis in your "curriculum"?
I answered your question.
>
> In the end you simply are not able to support your claims about Linux
> and when you try you make a complete fool of yourself.
That's you looking in a mirror.
>
>>>> When do you put Ogg Vorbis in your "curriculum"?
>>
>>> In Computing for College during the introduction to media and during
>>> Web I, when learning how to place various media into web pages. We
>>> will probably add media formats to PC Support, too,
>>
>> When learning to make web pages! My goodness... with what software?
>> With novices? Or did you just admit you do not put Ogg Vorbis into a
>> novice's curriculum?
>>
>> ************************************************
>>
>> And notice you made the incorrect assumption I was talking about
>> novices when I was talking about Web 1.
>
> Look above.
You look above.
> We were talking about novices and non-techies. Are you
> saying you were in so far over your head you could not keep track of who
> you were even talking about?
You're tha one that asked about my curriculum. I simply answered.
--
Rick
Snit
on 1/25/08 10:33 PM:
>> On and on you go, but you still are not able to support your claims
>> about Linux so you post claims about your experience. You claim to know
>> more about Linux than I do but your actions show otherwise - just in the
>> last few hours, in response to a post where I pointed you to this movie:
>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/ubuntu_open.mov> you had to ask:
>>
>> Are you sure it wasn't Nautilus and/or Metacity? Or have you changed
>> your window and desktop managers?
>
> So tell us which one you think it was... if you can.
I have made it very, very clear, Rick. Only you are confused on the issue
and felt the need to ask. Only you, Rick, are ignorant enough of Ubuntu and
what it comes with *and* ignorant of Linux in general to the extent that
when you saw the above referenced movie you had to ask if it was Nautilus
(which it was, of course) or Metacity... which it clearly was not.
Can you answer the question now:
In regards to novices and non-techies when, in a curriculum you
would design, would you cover Ogg Vorbis? Before or after they
learn what a file and folder are... and what file formats in
general are... and when to click or double click?
Your current claim is that you failed to answer *that* question and instead
answered a question that was not asked - you were in over your head and got
confused. Can you answer the actual question you were asked?
>> In the end you simply are not able to support your claims about Linux
>> and when you try you make a complete fool of yourself.
>
> In the end I simply didn't support my statements. You hope I can't but
> you don't know I can't.
You can't. There is no reasonable doubt. You simply cannot support your
claims. Oh well... you got in over your head.
Moshe Goldfarb
Look, Snit and Rick as well as the others, here is the final post:
OSX
Better, professional applications.
Better UI
Better help
Guaranteed to work with hardware.
More intuitive UI (subjective)
One stop shopping. Plug it in and it works.
Great support system.
Great personal multimedia support.
It's not going anyplace.
Ubuntu
It's free.
Access to source code.
It's free.
Zillions of applications but most are not done yet.
It's free.
Might have a help system someday.
It's free.
Runs on hardware user most likely already has.
Did I mention it's free?
Look, OSX is a professionally designed system that is capable of running
professional applications.
Ubuntu is a Linux hack, albeit a good one, that is still VERY rough around
the edges.
Ubuntu is free.
OSX cost money.
That's it.
Snit
on 1/25/08 10:50 PM:
>>>>> I didn't place any repeating background images on <http://ricks-
>>>>> place.tripod.com/computer/computer.html>.
>>>>
>>>> Make the page wide - you can see it repeat.
>>>
>>> So it does. Crap.
>>
>> At least you admit to this error of yours. Note I had to pointed it out
>> to you and you denied it. I then gave you a simple test to prove it to
>> you... very simple. And you found, of course, I was right.
>
> You are such a pompous ass.
>
>> When the tests are not so simply or when things are not so clear cut or
>> when you are simply in too far over your head you refuse to admit to
>> your mistakes. Learn from your admission here... it is a good thing.
>
> You are such a pompous ass.
As I said: You do not deal with being shown you are wrong very well. At
least in this case you did admit to your error. I commend you on that and
encourage you to work on eliminating your grade school insults and put
downs. It does not help your cause at all.
>>> Monitors were much smaller. I will have to edit it. Well, that's what
>>> happens if you use GUI apps and don't learn the basics when you do
>>> something.
>>
>> LOL! Blame the GUI app. I use Dreamweaver (and teach it) and it
>> certainly does not make one do that. One can, of course, but it is the
>> users choice.
>>
>>
>>>>> As for the second error, I generated that page a long time ago. IIRC
>>>>> I used either NVU, or Dreamweaver, or both. Blame them. The page
>>>>> shows up OK in IE, Opera and Firefox.
>>>>
>>>> There is more to page design than having it show up "OK".
>>>
>>> What is with all this "OK" crap?
>>
>> That was your word, quoted directly before mine. Are you feeling OK?
>
> You use Ok all the freakin time.
You, Rick, are the one who said your pages show up "OK" in several
browsers... I merely noted that there is more to page design than having it
show up "OK". Apparently that is a fact that you are not ready to handle
yet. Maybe tomorrow you will... or sometime soon. I hope so.
>>> And I did that page a long time ago... and haven't seen the need to
>>> revisit it.
>>
>> But you wanted me to look at it anyway. Lovely.
>
> I wanted you to read it. Read the information. But you can't see to get
> that through your thick skull.
Your silly grade school put downs imply I did not read it when I have made
it clear to you I have... and found it to be fully irrelevant to the
anything we have been discussing.
Nothing on that site explains away the fact you have shown yourself to be
ignorant of Linux, to the point where you had to ask if a pretty much stock
running of Ubuntu that you saw on a video was running Nautilus or Metacity.
That, frankly, is the type of question a novice Linux user might ask... not
someone with your claimed experience. Add to that the fact that you
suggested a novice install and use Amarok on Ubuntu... a choice I showed was
not wise. You have shown, repeatedly, that you do not know Linux well - or,
if you do, that your areas of knowledge are far more limited than you
pretend they are.
...
>> I snipped your weasly running from the fact you cannot - absolutely
>> cannot - support your claims about Ubuntu being as easy to use or easier
>> than OS X. You cannot do so. Stop whining about it.
>
> I did not support my statement.
I know. And you likely never will even try... not until you learn a bit
more about Linux that is... Ubuntu in particular. And by then you will
realize your claim was in error. So be it.
...
>>>> The fact you would question me when I note that the people who make
>>>> Ubuntu chose what applications to include in the distro shows your
>>>> ignorance about Linux.
>>>
>>> WTF?
>>
>> Where did you get confused. Sorry to go over your head again.
>
> You're are real one note schmuck.
You showed a lack of understanding that the people who make Ubuntu are the
ones who chose what applications they want to include... this shows you know
little about Linux and are, of course, over your head as we discuss it.
If you do not like the "one note" of you being in over your head I suggest
you stop pretending to have knowledge in areas you *clearly* do not.
>>>>> I suggested Amarok as a good music organizer and player. I suggested
>>>>> Amarok. So what? Beeg Deel.
>>>>
>>>> It was, as I showed, a mistake for you to do so in the context of the
>>>> discussion.
>>>
>>> It is a good app. Go read the reviews. Does it have rough spots? Yup.
>>> Oh, well.
>>
>> Please quote where you think I said it was not a "good app". You can't.
>> You made that up. Amazing.
>
> Please note where I said you said it wasn't a good app. You can't. You
> made that up. Amazing.
Ah, I took your comment to be an attempt by you to refute my comment... but
it was not. You merely stated something off topic in hopes of dodging the
point. OK.
...
Can you answer the question now:
In regards to novices and non-techies when, in a curriculum you
would design, would you cover Ogg Vorbis? Before or after they
learn what a file and folder are... and what file formats in
general are... and when to click or double click?
Your current claim is that you failed to answer *that* question and instead
answered a question that was not asked - you were in over your head and got
confused. Can you answer the actual question you were asked?
>>
>> In the end you simply are not able to support your claims about Linux
>> and when you try you make a complete fool of yourself.
>
> That's you looking in a mirror.
Not even a creative put down by you. Please, if you are going to lower
yourself to silly put downs at least try to be creative!
...
>> We were talking about novices and non-techies. Are you
>> saying you were in so far over your head you could not keep track of who
>> you were even talking about?
>
> You're tha one that asked about my curriculum. I simply answered.
LOL! You *still* cannot come right out and admit to your error. Too damned
funny!
--
The answer to the water shortage is to dilute it.
Snit
> Look, Snit and Rick as well as the others, here is the final post:
>
> OSX
>
> Better, professional applications.
Yes.
> Better UI
Yes.
> Better help
Perhaps.
> Guaranteed to work with hardware.
Yes.
> More intuitive UI (subjective)
OK.
> One stop shopping. Plug it in and it works.
Yes.
> Great support system.
Not sure what you mean.
> Great personal multimedia support.
Absolutely.
> It's not going anyplace.
It is going far. :)
Also has all sorts of ease of use features no other OS has...
>
> Ubuntu
>
> It's free.
Yes.
> Access to source code.
Good - but irrelevant to most users and certainly to the novice /
non-techies Rick and I were talking about.
> It's free.
I think you covered that. :) While upgrades to OS X are not free you get a
"free" copy when you buy a Mac. Still, you can get cheaper PCs...
> Zillions of applications but most are not done yet.
Yup... and if you want most will run on a Mac, though that discounts some of
its ease of use.
> It's free.
Really?
> Might have a help system someday.
LOL! OK. I have not used the help on Ubuntu much.
> It's free.
No.... I did not know that.
> Runs on hardware user most likely already has.
Correct... including Macs. :)
> Did I mention it's free?
You hinted.
>
> Look, OSX is a professionally designed system that is capable of running
> professional applications.
>
> Ubuntu is a Linux hack, albeit a good one, that is still VERY rough around
> the edges.
> Ubuntu is free.
> OSX cost money.
>
> That's it.
Seems like a reasonable summary.
--
When I'm working on a problem, I never think about beauty. I think only how
to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not
beautiful, I know it is wrong. -- R. Buckminster Fuller
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> 13plhhe...@news.supernews.com on 1/25/08 10:33 PM:
>
>>> On and on you go, but you still are not able to support your claims
>>> about Linux so you post claims about your experience. You claim to
>>> know more about Linux than I do but your actions show otherwise - just
>>> in the last few hours, in response to a post where I pointed you to
>>> this movie: <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/ubuntu_open.mov> you had
>>> to ask:
>>>
>>> Are you sure it wasn't Nautilus and/or Metacity? Or have you
>>> changed your window and desktop managers?
>>
>> So tell us which one you think it was... if you can.
>
> I have made it very, very clear, Rick.
No, you haven't. Tell us which one you think it was... if you can.
> Only you are confused on the
> issue and felt the need to ask. Only you, Rick, are ignorant enough of
> Ubuntu and what it comes with *and* ignorant of Linux in general to the
> extent that when you saw the above referenced movie you had to ask if it
> was Nautilus (which it was, of course) or Metacity... which it clearly
> was not.
This is you MO. When someone asks you a question you refuse to answer it.
Now AGAIN. What do you think is causing the problem... Ubuntu, Nautilus
or Metacity?
IF I was going to answer you question, I would need more information. I
would need YOUR definition of novice. I would need to know the purpose of
the curriculum. Is it community education, career education,continuing
education of some kind.
>
> Your current claim is that you failed to answer *that* question and
I didn't fail to answer, you never asked that question.
> instead answered a question that was not asked - you were in over your
> head and got confused. Can you answer the actual question you were
> asked?
You didn't ask that question. You are simply lying now.
>
>>> In the end you simply are not able to support your claims about Linux
>>> and when you try you make a complete fool of yourself.
>>
>> In the end I simply didn't support my statements. You hope I can't but
>> you don't know I can't.
>
> You can't.
You don't know that.
> There is no reasonable doubt
There is.
> You simply cannot support your claims.
You don't know that.
> Oh well... you got in over your head.
Oh, well, you are simply a pompous liar.
--
Rick
Rick
(smip)
>
> Look, Snit and Rick as well as the others, here is the final post:
Becasue you say so ?
aah ahah ahAH ahahAHA ha hah
>
> OSX
>
> Better, professional applications.
That might depend on the professions.
> Better UI
In some opinons, not in others.
> Better help
Really? Can you chat through IRC with Apple OS CX developers?
> Guaranteed to work with hardware.
Guaranteed to work on certain Mac. And you have to define guaranteed.
> More intuitive UI (subjective)
Very.
> One stop shopping. Plug it in and it works. Great support system.
Buy from Dell, plug it in and it works.
> Great personal multimedia support.
Subjective. However, from what I've herd iLife and such are very nice
apps.
> It's not going anyplace.
It is not at the moment. It wasn't so very long ago that Apple was close
to going away.
>
> Ubuntu
>
> It's free.
$0
> Access to source code.
> It's free.
Free, libre. Oh, that was above.
> Zillions of applications but most are not done yet. It's free.
Most applications are never done.
> Might have a help system someday.
Define help system.
> It's free.
Wow... that's really important to you. I guess that's why you use it
instead of SLED or RHEL.
> Runs on hardware user most likely already has. Did I mention it's free?
>
> Look, OSX is a professionally designed system that is capable of running
> professional applications.
>
> Ubuntu is a Linux hack,
You are an idiot.
> albeit a good one, that is still VERY rough
> around the edges.
> Ubuntu is free.
> OSX cost money.
>
> That's it.
Nope.
--
Rick
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> 13plih0...@news.supernews.com on 1/25/08 10:50 PM:
>
>>>>>> I didn't place any repeating background images on <http://ricks-
>>>>>> place.tripod.com/computer/computer.html>.
>>>>>
>>>>> Make the page wide - you can see it repeat.
>>>>
>>>> So it does. Crap.
>>>
>>> At least you admit to this error of yours. Note I had to pointed it
>>> out to you and you denied it. I then gave you a simple test to prove
>>> it to you... very simple. And you found, of course, I was right.
>>
>> You are such a pompous ass.
>>
>>> When the tests are not so simply or when things are not so clear cut
>>> or when you are simply in too far over your head you refuse to admit
>>> to your mistakes. Learn from your admission here... it is a good
>>> thing.
>>
>> You are such a pompous ass.
>
> As I said: You do not deal with being shown you are wrong very well. At
> least in this case you did admit to your error. I commend you on that
> and encourage you to work on eliminating your grade school insults and
> put downs. It does not help your cause at all.
You are such a pompous ass.
... and, what is my cause.
>
>>>> Monitors were much smaller. I will have to edit it. Well, that's what
>>>> happens if you use GUI apps and don't learn the basics when you do
>>>> something.
>>>
>>> LOL! Blame the GUI app. I use Dreamweaver (and teach it) and it
>>> certainly does not make one do that. One can, of course, but it is
>>> the users choice.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> As for the second error, I generated that page a long time ago.
>>>>>> IIRC I used either NVU, or Dreamweaver, or both. Blame them. The
>>>>>> page shows up OK in IE, Opera and Firefox.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is more to page design than having it show up "OK".
>>>>
>>>> What is with all this "OK" crap?
>>>
>>> That was your word, quoted directly before mine. Are you feeling OK?
>>
>> You use Ok all the freakin time.
>
> You, Rick, are the one who said your pages show up "OK" in several
> browsers... I merely noted that there is more to page design than having
> it show up "OK". Apparently that is a fact that you are not ready to
> handle yet. Maybe tomorrow you will... or sometime soon. I hope so.
You are alwsy make some passive-aggressive statement and ending it with
OK.
>
>>>> And I did that page a long time ago... and haven't seen the need to
>>>> revisit it.
>>>
>>> But you wanted me to look at it anyway. Lovely.
>>
>> I wanted you to read it. Read the information. But you can't see to get
>> that through your thick skull.
>
> Your silly grade school put downs imply I did not read it when I have
> made it clear to you I have... and found it to be fully irrelevant to
> the anything we have been discussing.
It is not irrelevant. It documents my use of Linux based distros through
the years.
>
> Nothing on that site explains away the fact you have shown yourself to
> be ignorant of Linux, to the point where you had to ask if a pretty much
> stock running of Ubuntu that you saw on a video was running Nautilus or
> Metacity.
I asked you, for the umteenth time, if YOU thought Ubuntu, Gnome or
Nautilus was the problem.
> That, frankly, is the type of question a novice Linux user
> might ask...
That frankly shows you cannot read.
> not someone with your claimed experience.
It is not "claimed" experience.
> Add to that the
> fact that you suggested a novice install and use Amarok on Ubuntu... a
> choice I showed was not wise. You have shown, repeatedly, that you do
> not know Linux well - or, if you do, that your areas of knowledge are
> far more limited than you pretend they are.
You have shown you are a liar.
>
> ...
>>> I snipped your weasly running from the fact you cannot - absolutely
>>> cannot - support your claims about Ubuntu being as easy to use or
>>> easier than OS X. You cannot do so. Stop whining about it.
>>
>> I did not support my statement.
>
> I know. And you likely never will even try... not until you learn a bit
> more about Linux that is... Ubuntu in particular. And by then you will
> realize your claim was in error. So be it.
Changing from OK to so be it?
>
> ...
>>>>> The fact you would question me when I note that the people who make
>>>>> Ubuntu chose what applications to include in the distro shows your
>>>>> ignorance about Linux.
>>>>
>>>> WTF?
>>>
>>> Where did you get confused. Sorry to go over your head again.
>>
>> You're are real one note schmuck.
>
> You showed a lack of understanding that the people who make Ubuntu are
> the ones who chose what applications they want to include... this shows
> you know little about Linux and are, of course, over your head as we
> discuss it.
Why do you like proving over and over how clueless you are?
>
> If you do not like the "one note" of you being in over your head I
> suggest you stop pretending to have knowledge in areas you *clearly* do
> not.
I suggest you stop being such a pompous liar.
>
>>>>>> I suggested Amarok as a good music organizer and player. I
>>>>>> suggested Amarok. So what? Beeg Deel.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was, as I showed, a mistake for you to do so in the context of
>>>>> the discussion.
>>>>
>>>> It is a good app. Go read the reviews. Does it have rough spots? Yup.
>>>> Oh, well.
>>>
>>> Please quote where you think I said it was not a "good app". You
>>> can't. You made that up. Amazing.
>>
>> Please note where I said you said it wasn't a good app. You can't. You
>> made that up. Amazing.
>
> Ah, I took your comment to be an attempt by you to refute my comment...
> but it was not. You merely stated something off topic in hopes of
> dodging the point. OK.
Passive-aggressive statement followed by OK.
Noted.
You are such a pompous ass.
>
> ...
>>> We were talking about novices and non-techies. Are you saying you
>>> were in so far over your head you could not keep track of who you were
>>> even talking about?
>>
>> You're that one that asked about my curriculum. I simply answered.
>
> LOL! You *still* cannot come right out and admit to your error. Too
> damned funny!
You're that one that asked about my curriculum. I simply answered. You
are just pathetic.
--
Rick
Snit
on 1/26/08 8:25 AM:
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:08:30 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
>> 13plhhe...@news.supernews.com on 1/25/08 10:33 PM:
>>
>>>> On and on you go, but you still are not able to support your claims
>>>> about Linux so you post claims about your experience. You claim to
>>>> know more about Linux than I do but your actions show otherwise - just
>>>> in the last few hours, in response to a post where I pointed you to
>>>> this movie: <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/ubuntu_open.mov> you had
>>>> to ask:
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure it wasn't Nautilus and/or Metacity? Or have you
>>>> changed your window and desktop managers?
>>>
>>> So tell us which one you think it was... if you can.
>>
>> I have made it very, very clear, Rick.
>
> No, you haven't. Tell us which one you think it was... if you can.
>
>> Only you are confused on the
>> issue and felt the need to ask. Only you, Rick, are ignorant enough of
>> Ubuntu and what it comes with *and* ignorant of Linux in general to the
>> extent that when you saw the above referenced movie you had to ask if it
>> was Nautilus (which it was, of course) or Metacity... which it clearly
>> was not.
>
> This is you MO. When someone asks you a question you refuse to answer it.
This, coming from you - someone who went on post after post after post only
to later claim you never even intended to try to support your claims about
Ubuntu. You clearly could not... though you try to pretend otherwise.
I, on the other hand, *have* given you enough information to answer your
question - *if* you knew Linux well.
>
> Now AGAIN. What do you think is causing the problem... Ubuntu, Nautilus
> or Metacity?
Keep in mind I have given plenty of information for a person who understand
Linux to know the answer to your question (and to know that I knew the
answer!). You, however, are not that person. You, Rick, do not know Linux
well. Here, let me break it down for you:
I have made it clear that I am using Ubuntu with its default Nautilus - thus
Metacity has *nothing* to do with the question. A person who understood
Linux would not even have to ask about Metacity in this context.
So that brings us down to Ubuntu or Nautilus, but I have already told you
that a distro (such as Ubuntu) is - essentially a collection of programs
with specific settings pre-set for the user. So for you to ask if it is
Ubuntu or Nautilus is a question that shows ignorance - Nautilus is a *file
manager* and it is what manages files (though the default settings that
control how it does so might be different in different distros).
Again, Rick, these are things you have already been told - you merely did
not know Ubuntu well enough to put the pieces together nor to be able to
understand that I, clearly, did. You do not know Linux nearly as well as
you pretend to.
"This is you MO. When someone asks you a question you refuse to answer it."
LOL! The fact is you *cannot* answer the questions I pose to you - nor can
you support your claims about Linux, such as your one where you claimed
Linux was as easy to use or easier than OS X. You simply cannot answer it.
Oh well... you do not know Linux very well.
> I would need more information. I
> would need YOUR definition of novice. I would need to know the purpose of
> the curriculum. Is it community education, career education,continuing
> education of some kind.
And yet you already claimed you *would* teach them this. How funny is that!
>> Your current claim is that you failed to answer *that* question and
>
> I didn't fail to answer, you never asked that question.
Well other than the fact it is quoted, above, sure. LOL!
>> instead answered a question that was not asked - you were in over your
>> head and got confused. Can you answer the actual question you were
>> asked?
>
> You didn't ask that question. You are simply lying now.
Sure I did... you simply got over your head and could not keep track of who
was being discussed!
--
I am one of only .3% of people who have avoided becoming a statistic.
Snit
1/26/08 8:31 AM:
>> Might have a help system someday.
>
> Define help system.
LOL! You sure play a lot of semantic games!
Snit
on 1/26/08 8:40 AM:
>> You, Rick, are the one who said your pages show up "OK" in several
>> browsers... I merely noted that there is more to page design than having
>> it show up "OK". Apparently that is a fact that you are not ready to
>> handle yet. Maybe tomorrow you will... or sometime soon. I hope so.
>
> You are alwsy make some passive-aggressive statement and ending it with
> OK.
Your opinion, but irrelevant to the point in discussion.
I can accept, however, how you cannot focus. OK.
:)
...
>> Your silly grade school put downs imply I did not read it when I have
>> made it clear to you I have... and found it to be fully irrelevant to
>> the anything we have been discussing.
>
> It is not irrelevant. It documents my use of Linux based distros through
> the years.
It makes a bunch of claims... which are contradicted in your posts.
For example, you could not figure out if my essentially Default install of
Ubuntu, which I showed you in a video, was running Nautilus or Metacity...
and then you felt the need to ask about what dealt with the files (even
after I had provided you with far more than enough info to let you know...
and to let you know I knew).
You simply do not know Linux very well.
>>
>> Nothing on that site explains away the fact you have shown yourself to
>> be ignorant of Linux, to the point where you had to ask if a pretty much
>> stock running of Ubuntu that you saw on a video was running Nautilus or
>> Metacity.
>
> I asked you, for the umteenth time, if YOU thought Ubuntu, Gnome or
> Nautilus was the problem.
Yes... you could not figure that out on your own... even though I had posted
enough info, to you, to show I *did* know and to lead a person who knew
Linux to know I knew. You were not that person. You simply did not
understand Linux well enough to understand the relationship between a distro
and and its default file manager and settings.
>> That, frankly, is the type of question a novice Linux user
>> might ask... not someone with your claimed experience.
>
> It is not "claimed" experience.
If not even you claim it is accurate then why did you point to it and want
me to read it?
>> Add to that the fact that you suggested a novice install and use Amarok on
>> Ubuntu... a choice I showed was not wise. You have shown, repeatedly, that
>> you do not know Linux well - or, if you do, that your areas of knowledge are
>> far more limited than you pretend they are.
>>
> You have shown you are a liar.
You lash out a lot when facts you do not like are pointed out. Oh well.
...
--
Do you ever wake up in a cold sweat wondering what the world would be
like if the Lamarckian view of evolutionary had ended up being accepted
over Darwin's?
Snit
>> You showed a lack of understanding that the people who make Ubuntu are
>> the ones who chose what applications they want to include... this shows
>> you know little about Linux and are, of course, over your head as we
>> discuss it.
>
> Why do you like proving over and over how clueless you are?
LOL! OK, if it is not the people who put the distro together who chose what
applications they want to include then who do *you* think does?
You really must be quite clueless about Linux to be so far over your head on
even such simple facts.
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> 13pmkiq...@news.supernews.com on 1/26/08 8:31 AM:
>
>>> Might have a help system someday.
>>
>> Define help system.
>
> LOL! You sure play a lot of semantic games!
LOL... no, I don't. There are various help systems.
--
Rick
Snit
on 1/26/08 9:22 AM:
Define help systems.
LOL!
--
If A = B and B = C, then A = C, except where void or prohibited by law.
Roy Santoro, Psycho Proverb Zone (http://snipurl.com/BurdenOfProof)
Rick
I do know Linux well. The fact that you don't comprehend this shows you
lack of understanding. The simple fact that I choose to use WindowMaker
shows I have a certain level of skill and experience.
>>
>> Now AGAIN. What do you think is causing the problem... Ubuntu, Nautilus
>> or Metacity?
>
> Keep in mind I have given plenty of information for a person who
> understand Linux to know the answer to your question (and to know that I
> knew the answer!). You, however, are not that person. You, Rick, do
> not know Linux well.
WHAT do YOU think the problem is. YOU. What do YOU think the problems is.
Here, let me break it down for you:
>
> I have made it clear that I am using Ubuntu with its default Nautilus -
> thus Metacity has *nothing* to do with the question. A person who
> understood Linux would not even have to ask about Metacity in this
> context.
Well, at least you have said YOU don not think Metacity is part of the
problem. That is something.
>
> So that brings us down to Ubuntu or Nautilus, but I have already told
> you that a distro (such as Ubuntu) is - essentially a collection of
> programs with specific settings pre-set for the user. So for you to ask
> if it is Ubuntu or Nautilus is a question that shows ignorance -
> Nautilus is a *file manager* and it is what manages files (though the
> default settings that control how it does so might be different in
> different distros).
I didn't ask if Nautilus or Unbutu is the problem, I asked which YOU
thought was the problem.
BTW, you do know that Nautilus is more than just a file manager, don't
you? At least it is in other Gnome based distros.
>
> Again, Rick, these are things you have already been told - you merely
> did not know Ubuntu well enough to put the pieces together nor to be
> able to understand that I, clearly, did. You do not know Linux nearly
> as well as you pretend to.
And AGAIN, I was asking what YOU thought. What YOU thought.
No? Gee, I wonder how I got X working in the mid-late 90's, then...
that's when you usually had to edit the X configs by hand, which I did ...
... and I wonder how I can get different wallpapers on different desktops
in Ubuntu, which I did. (oh, yet, some desktops are set to change
wallpapers, some are static).
.. .and I wonder how I got MacOnLinux working when I was running LinuxPPC
on my Umax C500, which I did.
.. and I wonder how I manage to multi-boot Windows XP, PLCOS .93, PCLOS
2007, which I do.
... and I wonder how I manage to run Windows 2000, and Ubuntu in VMs,
which I do.
... and I wonder how I manage to install and run WindowMaker, which I do.
... and I wonder how I managed to run various flavors of Linux on my
Compaq 1270 laptop, which I did.
... and I wonder how I have ftp and web servers running on this machine,
which I do.
>
>> I would need more information. I
>> would need YOUR definition of novice. I would need to know the purpose
>> of the curriculum. Is it community education, career
>> education,continuing education of some kind.
>
> And yet you already claimed you *would* teach them this. How funny is
> that!
Do comprehend English?
>
>>> Your current claim is that you failed to answer *that* question and
>>
>> I didn't fail to answer, you never asked that question.
>
> Well other than the fact it is quoted, above, sure. LOL!
Do comprehend English?
>
>>> instead answered a question that was not asked - you were in over your
>>> head and got confused. Can you answer the actual question you were
>>> asked?
>>
>> You didn't ask that question. You are simply lying now.
>
> Sure I did... you simply got over your head and could not keep track of
> who was being discussed!
You didn't ask that question. You are simply lying now.
--
Rick
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> 13pml39...@news.supernews.com on 1/26/08 8:40 AM:
>
>
>>> You, Rick, are the one who said your pages show up "OK" in several
>>> browsers... I merely noted that there is more to page design than
>>> having it show up "OK". Apparently that is a fact that you are not
>>> ready to handle yet. Maybe tomorrow you will... or sometime soon. I
>>> hope so.
>>
>> You are alwsy make some passive-aggressive statement and ending it with
>> OK.
>
> Your opinion, but irrelevant to the point in discussion.
>
> I can accept, however, how you cannot focus. OK.
Another passive-aggressive statement ended with OK
>
> :)
>
> ...
>>> Your silly grade school put downs imply I did not read it when I have
>>> made it clear to you I have... and found it to be fully irrelevant to
>>> the anything we have been discussing.
>>
>> It is not irrelevant. It documents my use of Linux based distros
>> through the years.
>
> It makes a bunch of claims... which are contradicted in your posts.
It is not irrelevant. It documents my use of Linux based distros through
the years.
>
> For example, you could not figure out if my essentially Default install
> of Ubuntu, which I showed you in a video, was running Nautilus or
> Metacity...
No, idiot, I asked you if you thought Ubuntu, Nautilus or Metacity was
the problem. I asked you what you thought. Whenever I do that, you dodge
the question.
I know what Nautilus is. I don't like it. I know what Metacity is. I
don't like it. Tat is part of the reason I don't use Gnome based distros.
> and then you felt the need to ask about what dealt with the
> files (even after I had provided you with far more than enough info to
> let you know... and to let you know I knew).
>
> You simply do not know Linux very well.
You simply don't read very well.
>
>
>>> Nothing on that site explains away the fact you have shown yourself to
>>> be ignorant of Linux, to the point where you had to ask if a pretty
>>> much stock running of Ubuntu that you saw on a video was running
>>> Nautilus or Metacity.
>>
>> I asked you, for the umteenth time, if YOU thought Ubuntu, Gnome or
>> Nautilus was the problem.
>
> Yes... you could not figure that out on your own...
No, you pompous ass, I was asking what YOU thought. Damn, but you are
thick.
> even though I had
> posted enough info, to you, to show I *did* know and to lead a person
> who knew Linux to know I knew. You were not that person. You simply
> did not understand Linux well enough to understand the relationship
> between a distro and and its default file manager and settings.
I asked you what you thought. You ran from the question.
>
>>> That, frankly, is the type of question a novice Linux user might
>>> ask... not someone with your claimed experience.
>>
>> It is not "claimed" experience.
>
> If not even you claim it is accurate then why did you point to it and
> want me to read it?
It is not "claimed" experience. It is, in fact, experience.
>
>>> Add to that the fact that you suggested a novice install and use
>>> Amarok on Ubuntu... a choice I showed was not wise. You have shown,
>>> repeatedly, that you do not know Linux well - or, if you do, that your
>>> areas of knowledge are far more limited than you pretend they are.
>>>
>> You have shown you are a liar.
>
> You lash out a lot when facts you do not like are pointed out. Oh well.
You have shown you are a liar.
--
Rick
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> 13pmni1...@news.supernews.com on 1/26/08 9:22 AM:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:02:03 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
>>> 13pmkiq...@news.supernews.com on 1/26/08 8:31 AM:
>>>
>>>>> Might have a help system someday.
>>>>
>>>> Define help system.
>>>
>>> LOL! You sure play a lot of semantic games!
>>
>> LOL... no, I don't. There are various help systems.
>
> Define help systems.
>
> LOL!
Why do you enjoy looking so clueless.
Here is are some questions:
Do you consider distro related forums a help system?
Do you consider distro related IRC channels a help system?
--
Rick
Snit
on 1/26/08 9:36 AM:
>> This, coming from you - someone who went on post after post after post
>> only to later claim you never even intended to try to support your
>> claims about Ubuntu. You clearly could not... though you try to pretend
>> otherwise.
>>
>> I, on the other hand, *have* given you enough information to answer your
>> question - *if* you knew Linux well.
>
> I do know Linux well.
So you claim, yet:
* When shown a video of a pretty much stock version of Ubuntu you
felt the need to ask if it was running Nautilus or Metacity.
* Even after you had been given the info you repeated to ask
if it was a distro or a file manager that, well, managed
files.
* When discussing novice and non-techie user you suggested
using a curriculum where they learned about Ogg Vorbis
and making web pages with Notepad or Word Pad (which are
not even Linux programs, by the way!)
Heck, even you admitted the web site you pointed to with comments about
Linux experience is not something you claim to be about *your* experience.
And on that web site I had to teach you a way to find out you had a
repeating background. This is just from the last couple of days...
You simply are in far, far over your head.
The fact you feel the need to keep trying to defend your knowledge of Linux
is a pretty clear indicator that you are not confident in your own abilities
and knowledge. If you really *did* know it well you would show it and not
just insist you did.
Start by talking about the ease of use features of Ubuntu.
As if you could! LOL!
--
Computers are incredibly fast, accurate, and stupid: humans are incredibly
slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond
imagination. --Albert Einstein
Moshe Goldfarb
>> It's not going anyplace.
>
> It is going far. :)
I had to read that one again myself!
At first I thought I put that line under OSX by mistake.
What I meant it that it is here to stay and Apple as a company is not going
away.
Look Ubuntu is VERY GOOD.
It's perfect for the home user interested in browsing, email, a little
multimedia and so forth.
It's fine if you have hardware that supports it.
It's fine if you don't mind using applications that are rough around the
edges, some of them anyhow.
It's fine if you don't expect full use out of your iPod like device.
But OSX is just better.
It's like comparing a Rolls Royce with a Buick.
Both are nice cars and will get you there.
You have to decide though if you want to pay more for the luxury.
Snit
on 1/26/08 9:42 AM:
> Another passive-aggressive statement ended with OK
Back to the topic:
I merely noted that there is more to page design than
having it show up "OK".
Do you understand that yet?
...
>> For example, you could not figure out if my essentially Default install
>> of Ubuntu, which I showed you in a video, was running Nautilus or
>> Metacity...
>
> No
Yes, you did. Repeatedly actually.
...
>> and then you felt the need to ask about what dealt with the
>> files (even after I had provided you with far more than enough info to
>> let you know... and to let you know I knew).
>>
>> You simply do not know Linux very well.
>
> You simply don't read very well.
You sure lash out a lot.
>>>> Nothing on that site explains away the fact you have shown yourself to
>>>> be ignorant of Linux, to the point where you had to ask if a pretty
>>>> much stock running of Ubuntu that you saw on a video was running
>>>> Nautilus or Metacity.
>>>
>>> I asked you, for the umteenth time, if YOU thought Ubuntu, Gnome or
>>> Nautilus was the problem.
>>
>> Yes... you could not figure that out on your own... even though I had
>> posted enough info, to you, to show I *did* know and to lead a person
>> who knew Linux to know I knew. You were not that person. You simply
>> did not understand Linux well enough to understand the relationship
>> between a distro and and its default file manager and settings.
>
> I asked you what you thought. You ran from the question.
Incorrect. I answered your questions... you could not understand the
answers. You simply do not know Linux well enough to understand the
information you read about it.
>
>>
>>>> That, frankly, is the type of question a novice Linux user might
>>>> ask... not someone with your claimed experience.
>>>
>>> It is not "claimed" experience.
>>
>> If not even you claim it is accurate then why did you point to it and
>> want me to read it?
>
> It is not "claimed" experience. It is, in fact, experience.
Do you or do you not claim to have the experience you list on the web page
that I showed you had a repeating background (which you initially denied but
later admitted to)?
Snit
on 1/26/08 9:44 AM:
>>>>>> Might have a help system someday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Define help system.
>>>>
>>>> LOL! You sure play a lot of semantic games!
>>>
>>> LOL... no, I don't. There are various help systems.
>>
>> Define help systems.
>>
>> LOL!
>
> Why do you enjoy looking so clueless.
LOL! You really are far, far over your head. Amazing. And, frankly, very
funny in this case!
Truly, LOL!
--
"If a million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing."
- Anatole France
Snit
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:35:23 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>>> It's not going anyplace.
>>
>> It is going far. :)
>
> I had to read that one again myself!
> At first I thought I put that line under OSX by mistake.
>
> What I meant it that it is here to stay and Apple as a company is not going
> away.
Yes, I know. I was being silly... the English language is bizarre enough
where our claims are not in conflict... it is not going anyplace and it is
going far.
> Look Ubuntu is VERY GOOD.
> It's perfect for the home user interested in browsing, email, a little
> multimedia and so forth.
Not sure I would say perfect but it is good enough for those things for many
uses - yes. It might not deal well with some attachments... though I would
have to test.
> It's fine if you have hardware that supports it.
Yes... and its support is quite good.
> It's fine if you don't mind using applications that are rough around the
> edges, some of them anyhow.
Right... and this is one of the things that make it less than perfect for
what you list for it, above. OS X, for example, is better suited to those
things for many users.
> It's fine if you don't expect full use out of your iPod like device.
>
> But OSX is just better.
For most people, yes.
> It's like comparing a Rolls Royce with a Buick.
> Both are nice cars and will get you there.
> You have to decide though if you want to pay more for the luxury.
--
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> 13pmos5...@news.supernews.com on 1/26/08 9:44 AM:
>
>>>>>>> Might have a help system someday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Define help system.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL! You sure play a lot of semantic games!
>>>>
>>>> LOL... no, I don't. There are various help systems.
>>>
>>> Define help systems.
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>
>> Why do you enjoy looking so clueless.
>
> LOL! You really are far, far over your head. Amazing. And, frankly,
> very funny in this case!
>
> Truly, LOL!
I'd be laughing at you, if you weren't so pathetic.
--
Rick
Snit
on 1/26/08 10:08 AM:
You really did not get how my question for you was mocking yours. It really
is funny.
You ask people to define words and phrases you use... and then you refuse to
define them.
Your semantic games get you in trouble repeatedly.
--
It usually takes me more than three weeks to prepare a good impromptu
speech. -- Mark Twain
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> 13pmocu...@news.supernews.com on 1/26/08 9:36 AM:
>
>>> This, coming from you - someone who went on post after post after post
>>> only to later claim you never even intended to try to support your
>>> claims about Ubuntu. You clearly could not... though you try to
>>> pretend otherwise.
>>>
>>> I, on the other hand, *have* given you enough information to answer
>>> your question - *if* you knew Linux well.
>>
>> I do know Linux well.
>
> So you claim, yet:
>
> * When shown a video of a pretty much stock version of Ubuntu you
> felt the need to ask if it was running Nautilus or Metacity.
No. For the UMTEENTH time, I asked what YOU though the problem was. WHAT
YOU THOUGHT.
> * Even after you had been given the info you repeated to ask
> if it was a distro or a file manager that, well, managed files.
No. For the UMTEENTH time, I asked what YOU though the problem was. WHAT
YOU THOUGHT.
> * When discussing novice and non-techie user you suggested
> using a curriculum where they learned about Ogg Vorbis and making web
> pages with Notepad or Word Pad (which are not even Linux programs, by
> the way!)
I answered your question regarding my curriculum. why do you continue to
lie?
>
> Heck, even you admitted the web site you pointed to with comments about
> Linux experience is not something you claim to be about *your*
> experience.
why do you continue to lie?
> And on that web site I had to teach you a way to find out
> you had a repeating background. This is just from the last couple of
> days...
why do you continue to lie? You pointed out there was an effect on the
page I had not intended. You didn't teach anything. I checked the coded.
Researched the effect I wanted, and changed the code. Al lwithout any
"teaching" from you.
>
> You simply are in far, far over your head.
You are simply a pompous liar.
>
> The fact you feel
You have no idea what I feel.
> the need to keep trying to defend your knowledge of
> Linux is a pretty clear indicator that you are not confident in your own
> abilities and knowledge.
See... I told you. You have no idea what I feel.
> If you really *did* know it well you would
> show it and not just insist you did.
>
> Start by talking about the ease of use features of Ubuntu.
I don't take orders from you.
>
> As if you could! LOL!
Laugh all you want, monkey boy. All you do is show how dishonest and
clueless you are.
--
Rick
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> 13pmomu...@news.supernews.com on 1/26/08 9:42 AM:
>
>> Another passive-aggressive statement ended with OK
>
> Back to the topic:
>
> I merely noted that there is more to page design than having it show
> up "OK".
>
> Do you understand that yet?
Yet you snipped your passive-aggressive statement ended with OK.
>
> ...
>>> For example, you could not figure out if my essentially Default
>>> install of Ubuntu, which I showed you in a video, was running Nautilus
>>> or Metacity...
>>
>> No
>
> Yes, you did. Repeatedly actually.
No.
>
> ...
>>> and then you felt the need to ask about what dealt with the files
>>> (even after I had provided you with far more than enough info to let
>>> you know... and to let you know I knew).
>>>
>>> You simply do not know Linux very well.
>>
>> You simply don't read very well.
>
> You sure lash out a lot.
You sure are a pompous liar.
I have stated my experiences on that web page. I object to the way you
use the word claim, implying dishonesty on my part.
Yes, you pointed out I had a repeating graphic, and I said I did not. I
was incorrect about the repeating graphic. I edited the page. And the
resulting code may, or may not, be correct.
--
Rick
Snit
1/26/08 10:13 AM:
>>> I do know Linux well.
>>
>> So you claim, yet:
>>
>> * When shown a video of a pretty much stock version of Ubuntu you
>> felt the need to ask if it was running Nautilus or Metacity.
>
> No. For the UMTEENTH time, I asked what YOU though the problem was. WHAT
> YOU THOUGHT.
I understand you keep using the same excuse over and over and over. As has
been shown, however, I has already shown I knew the answer... and a person
who was knowledgeable about Linux would have known that, too. You simply
were in over your head.
>> * Even after you had been given the info you repeated to ask
>> if it was a distro or a file manager that, well, managed files.
>
> No. For the UMTEENTH time, I asked what YOU though the problem was. WHAT
> YOU THOUGHT.
Repeatedly spewing your same excuse for your ignorance does not make it go
away, Rick.
>> * When discussing novice and non-techie user you suggested
>> using a curriculum where they learned about Ogg Vorbis and making web
>> pages with Notepad or Word Pad (which are not even Linux programs, by
>> the way!)
>
> I answered your question regarding my curriculum.
Yes, and it was an answer that showed your ignorance.
>> Heck, even you admitted the web site you pointed to with comments about
>> Linux experience is not something you claim to be about *your*
>> experience. And on that web site I had to teach you a way to find out
>> you had a repeating background. This is just from the last couple of
>> days...
>
> You pointed out there was an effect on the page I had not intended. You didn't
> teach anything. I checked the coded. Researched the effect I wanted, and
> changed the code. Al lwithout any "teaching" from you.
Incorrect: I am the one who educated you to the fact there was an error. I
am the one who, when you denied it, told you a way to verify it.
>>
>> You simply are in far, far over your head.
>>
>> The fact you feel the need to keep trying to defend your knowledge of
>> Linux is a pretty clear indicator that you are not confident in your own
>> abilities and knowledge. If you really *did* know it well you would
>> show it and not just insist you did.
>>
>> Start by talking about the ease of use features of Ubuntu.
>
> I don't take orders from you.
You don't do *anything* to support your claims about knowing Linux well!
>> As if you could! LOL!
>
> Laugh all you want
Oh, believe me - I am!
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> 13pmq82...@news.supernews.com on 1/26/08 10:08 AM:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:55:45 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
>>> 13pmos5...@news.supernews.com on 1/26/08 9:44 AM:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Might have a help system someday.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Define help system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL! You sure play a lot of semantic games!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL... no, I don't. There are various help systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Define help systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL!
>>>>
>>>> Why do you enjoy looking so clueless.
>>>
>>> LOL! You really are far, far over your head. Amazing. And, frankly,
>>> very funny in this case!
>>>
>>> Truly, LOL!
>>
>> I'd be laughing at you, if you weren't so pathetic.
>
> You really did not get how my question for you was mocking yours. It
> really is funny.
>
> You ask people to define words and phrases you use... and then you
> refuse to define them.
>
> Your semantic games get you in trouble repeatedly.
Why do you enjoy looking so clueless.
Here is are some questions:
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> 13pmos5...@news.supernews.com on 1/26/08 9:44 AM:
>
>>>>>>> Might have a help system someday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Define help system.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL! You sure play a lot of semantic games!
>>>>
>>>> LOL... no, I don't. There are various help systems.
>>>
>>> Define help systems.
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>
>> Why do you enjoy looking so clueless.
>
> LOL! You really are far, far over your head. Amazing. And, frankly,
> very funny in this case!
>
> Truly, LOL!
Why do you enjoy looking so clueless.
Here is are some questions:
Tim Murray
> Don't overwhelm Snot with any facts. After all, he thinks that working
> with "files" is difficult, and "folders" are "advanced stuff"
It is. Much of the population just doesn't get it, and many never will. I
know people who have been working with computers for years and still become
flustered.
Snit
on 1/26/08 10:18 AM:
> Yet you snipped your passive-aggressive statement ended with OK.
Back to the topic:
I merely noted that there is more to page design than having it show
up "OK".
Do you understand that yet?
Below you just repeatedly insisted things that, clearly, are not so... you
keep trying to defend your knowledge of Linux when it is clear you have weak
knowledge.
For example, you could not figure out if my essentially Default install of
Ubuntu, which I showed you in a video, was running Nautilus or Metacity...
and then you felt the need to ask about what dealt with the files (even
after I had provided you with far more than enough info to let you know...
and to let you know I knew).
You simply do not know Linux very well.
...
>>> It is not "claimed" experience. It is, in fact, experience.
>>
>> Do you or do you not claim to have the experience you list on the web
>> page that I showed you had a repeating background (which you initially
>> denied but later admitted to)?
>
> I have stated my experiences on that web page. I object to the way you
> use the word claim, implying dishonesty on my part.
Not even you will say your claims are accurate. That is quite telling.
> Yes, you pointed out I had a repeating graphic, and I said I did not. I
> was incorrect about the repeating graphic. I edited the page. And the
> resulting code may, or may not, be correct.
Fair enough. Not sure why you sometimes deny this... it is not as though we
do not all make mistakes!
--
"If you have integrity, nothing else matters." - Alan Simpson
Snit
on 1/26/08 10:26 AM:
You sure lash out a lot and spew irrelevant questions when you get in over
your head!
--
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
--Aldous Huxley
Snit
on 1/26/08 10:26 AM:
Gee, you keep running from questions then asking irrelevant ones.
You sure are desperate to try to hide your ignorance!
--
The direct use of physical force is so poor a solution to the problem of
limited resources that it is commonly employed only by small children and
great nations. - David Friedman
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> 13pmqhj...@news.supernews.com on 1/26/08 10:13 AM:
>
>
>>>> I do know Linux well.
>>>
>>> So you claim, yet:
>>>
>>> * When shown a video of a pretty much stock version of Ubuntu you
>>> felt the need to ask if it was running Nautilus or Metacity.
>>
>> No. For the UMTEENTH time, I asked what YOU though the problem was.
>> WHAT YOU THOUGHT.
>
> I understand you keep using the same excuse over and over and over. As
> has been shown, however, I has already shown I knew the answer... and a
> person who was knowledgeable about Linux would have known that, too.
> You simply were in over your head.
Why do enjoy looking so stupid and dishonest?
>
>>> * Even after you had been given the info you repeated to ask
>>> if it was a distro or a file manager that, well, managed files.
>>
>> No. For the UMTEENTH time, I asked what YOU though the problem was.
>> WHAT YOU THOUGHT.
>
> Repeatedly spewing your same excuse for your ignorance does not make it
> go away, Rick.
Why do enjoy looking so stupid and dishonest?
>
>>> * When discussing novice and non-techie user you suggested
>>> using a curriculum where they learned about Ogg Vorbis and making
>>> web pages with Notepad or Word Pad (which are not even Linux
>>> programs, by the way!)
>>
>> I answered your question regarding my curriculum.
>
> Yes, and it was an answer that showed your ignorance.
Why do enjoy looking so stupid and dishonest?
>
>>> Heck, even you admitted the web site you pointed to with comments
>>> about Linux experience is not something you claim to be about *your*
>>> experience. And on that web site I had to teach you a way to find out
>>> you had a repeating background. This is just from the last couple of
>>> days...
>>
>> You pointed out there was an effect on the page I had not intended. You
>> didn't teach anything. I checked the coded. Researched the effect I
>> wanted, and changed the code. Al lwithout any "teaching" from you.
>
> Incorrect: I am the one who educated you to the fact there was an error.
You pointed out an error on a web page. You said nothing about how to fix
it. There was no education on your part.
> I am the one who, when you denied it, told you a way to verify it.
No, you showed the link to the w3c validation page. I changed the
repeating graphic error, but that has not changed the errors reported at
w3c because I haven't changed the DOCTYPE declaration yet.
>>>
>>> You simply are in far, far over your head.
>>>
>>> The fact you feel the need to keep trying to defend your knowledge of
>>> Linux is a pretty clear indicator that you are not confident in your
>>> own abilities and knowledge. If you really *did* know it well you
>>> would show it and not just insist you did.
>>>
>>> Start by talking about the ease of use features of Ubuntu.
>>
>> I don't take orders from you.
>
> You don't do *anything* to support your claims about knowing Linux well!
Well, I don't take orders from you.
>
>>> As if you could! LOL!
>>
>> Laugh all you want
>
> Oh, believe me - I am!
... and you snipped again without marking it... how dishonest of you.
Here's the snippage:
Rick
Can I infer that you cannot answer my questions?
--
Rick
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> 13pmr9c...@news.supernews.com on 1/26/08 10:26 AM:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:55:45 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
>>> 13pmos5...@news.supernews.com on 1/26/08 9:44 AM:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Might have a help system someday.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Define help system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL! You sure play a lot of semantic games!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL... no, I don't. There are various help systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Define help systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL!
>>>>
>>>> Why do you enjoy looking so clueless.
>>>
>>> LOL! You really are far, far over your head. Amazing. And, frankly,
>>> very funny in this case!
>>>
>>> Truly, LOL!
>>
>> Why do you enjoy looking so clueless.
>>
>> Here is are some questions:
>>
>> Do you consider distro related forums a help system?
>>
>> Do you consider distro related IRC channels a help system?
>>
> You sure lash out a lot and spew irrelevant questions when you get in
> over your head!
Can I infer you cannot answer my questions?
--
Rick
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> 13pmqr3...@news.supernews.com on 1/26/08 10:18 AM:
>
>> Yet you snipped your passive-aggressive statement ended with OK.
>
> Back to the topic:
>
> I merely noted that there is more to page design than having it show
> up "OK".
>
> Do you understand that yet?
Yet you snipped your passive-aggressive statement ended with OK.
>
> Below you just repeatedly insisted things that, clearly, are not so...
> you keep trying to defend your knowledge of Linux when it is clear you
> have weak knowledge.
It is clear only to you. I will ask you, again, if my knowledge of Linux
is so weak:
why was I able to run LinuxPPC and Yellow Dog on my Umax C500?
why was I able to run MacOnLinux?
why was I able to compile my favorite gtk apps and run them, with X,
under OS X?
why was I able to edit X86Config?
why was I able to edit xinitrc and xsessions?
why was I able to install run several flavors of Linux distros on my
Compaq laptop?
why am I able to have different wallpapers on different desktops in
Ubuntu, while still using Metacity as the wm?
why am I able to use and customize WindowMaker?
why was I able to use xdg menus in PCLOS .93, before it was supported by
the distro?
why am I able to use xdg to generate a dynamic system menu in WindowMaker?
If my knowledge of Linux is so weak, why am I able to do that, and more?
>
> For example, you could not figure out if my essentially Default install
> of Ubuntu, which I showed you in a video, was running Nautilus or
> Metacity...
That is a lie. I asked what you thought the problem was.
> and then you felt the need to ask about what dealt with the
> files (even after I had provided you with far more than enough info to
> let you know... and to let you know I knew).
That is a lie. I asked what you thought the problem was.
>
> You simply do not know Linux very well. ...
>>>> It is not "claimed" experience. It is, in fact, experience.
>>>
>>> Do you or do you not claim to have the experience you list on the web
>>> page that I showed you had a repeating background (which you initially
>>> denied but later admitted to)?
>>
>> I have stated my experiences on that web page. I object to the way you
>> use the word claim, implying dishonesty on my part.
>
> Not even you will say your claims are accurate. That is quite telling.
I am not making claims, I am stating facts.
>
>> Yes, you pointed out I had a repeating graphic, and I said I did not. I
>> was incorrect about the repeating graphic. I edited the page. And the
>> resulting code may, or may not, be correct.
>
> Fair enough. Not sure why you sometimes deny this... it is not as
> though we do not all make mistakes!
Why are you such a dishonest and pompous ass?
--
Rick
Peter Köhlmann
All of them Mac users, no doubt
--
Only two things are infinite,
the Universe and Stupidity.
And I'm not quite sure about the former.
- Albert Einstein
Rick
Judging by many students at our school, much of the population don't get
the concept of file folders in the real world, either.
--
Rick
Hadron
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:29:18 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
>> 13pmqr3...@news.supernews.com on 1/26/08 10:18 AM:
>>
>>> Yet you snipped your passive-aggressive statement ended with OK.
>>
>> Back to the topic:
>>
>> I merely noted that there is more to page design than having it show
>> up "OK".
>>
>> Do you understand that yet?
>
> Yet you snipped your passive-aggressive statement ended with OK.
>>
>> Below you just repeatedly insisted things that, clearly, are not so...
>> you keep trying to defend your knowledge of Linux when it is clear you
>> have weak knowledge.
>
> It is clear only to you. I will ask you, again, if my knowledge of Linux
> is so weak:
>
> why was I able to run LinuxPPC and Yellow Dog on my Umax C500?
>
> why was I able to run MacOnLinux?
>
> why was I able to compile my favorite gtk apps and run them, with X,
> under OS X?
>
> why was I able to edit X86Config?
>
> why was I able to edit xinitrc and xsessions?
Huh? You told me no one ever needed to edit config files in Linux! Oops!
Peter Köhlmann
Hadron Quark and his usual problems regarding reading comprehension...
--
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice which can be equally well
explained by stupidity
Linonut
Well, if I recall correctly, there were living models for Beavis and
Butthead.
--
Your most unhappy customers are your greatest source of learning.
-- Bill Gates, Business @ The Speed of Thought (1999)
Rick
I didn't tell you that, and I did that editing 8-10 years ago.
--
Rick
Snit
on 1/26/08 12:33 PM:
>> Huh? You told me no one ever needed to edit config files in Linux! Oops!
>
> I didn't tell you that, and I did that editing 8-10 years ago.
Who cares what you claim to have done a decade ago? Really. The only
reason you even mention it is to try to obfuscate your current ignorance
claims about Linux - and your inability to support your claims about it.
As a summary:
In the context of novice and non-techie users of Ubuntu:
* You claimed that Ubuntu was as easy to use as OS X. I showed
many reasons why this was *not* the case by showing in quite
some detail a number of ease of use options OS X has that Ubuntu
lack. You completely failed to support your claim and only
after posting on the issue post after post did you retcon
the whole thing and say you never even tried.
* When I told you that "the people who make Ubuntu are the ones
who chose what applications they want to include" you told me
this shows I am "clueless".
* On seeing this: <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/ubuntu_open.mov>
and having it explained that it was a relatively stalk version of
Ubuntu you still asked if the lack of appropriate dialog was
from Ubuntu, Nautilus and/or Metacity? Even after I made it
very, very clear I was well aware of the answer you pretended that
you were asking merely to get me to tell you what I already had!
* You suggested these users (of Ubuntu!) use Notepad or Word Pad
to make web pages and learn what Ogg Vorbis is.
* You pointed me to a website with comments about "you" listing things
you later admitted were not even really what you claimed to have
done, and I noted that the page has several flaws - including a
background that was tiled but should not have been (at least
horizontally). At first you denied your site had this problem
but later, after I showed you a way to verify it, you relented
and admitted I was right. You also, to your credit, admitted
I am the one who pointed you to the W3 verification services -
a service any real web teacher should know about!
Even after I have quoted you doing each of those things you *still* deny
them and call me names for pointing out your errors.
Snit
fnfsjf$r6d$5...@registered.motzarella.org on 1/26/08 11:02 AM:
Rick is merely bragging about all those things because he realizes he is in
way, way over his head when it comes to actually *showing* any evidence of
his claimed knowledge (knowledge even he has admitted he really does not
"claim" to have!)
Here are some of the errors he has made just recently:
In the context of novice and non-techie users of Ubuntu:
* Rick claimed that Ubuntu was as easy to use as OS X. I showed
many reasons why this was *not* the case by showing in quite
some detail a number of ease of use options OS X has that Ubuntu
lack. Rick completely failed to support his claim and only
after posting on the issue post after post did he retcon
the whole thing and say he never even tried. LOL! Riiiiight!
* When I told him that "the people who make Ubuntu are the ones
who chose what applications they want to include" he told me
this shows I am "clueless". Who does he think makes those
decisions?
* On seeing this: <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/ubuntu_open.mov>
and having it explained that it was a relatively stock version of
Ubuntu, Rick still asked if the lack of appropriate dialog was
from Ubuntu, Nautilus and/or Metacity! Even after I made it
very, very clear I was well aware of the answer he pretended that
he was asking merely to get me to tell him what I already had!
* Rick suggested these users (of Ubuntu!) use Notepad or Word Pad
to make web pages and learn what Ogg Vorbis is.
* Rick pointed me to a website with comments about him listing things
he later admitted were not even really what he claimed to have
done. I noted that the page has several flaws - including a
background that was tiled but should not have been (at least
horizontally). At first he denied his site had this problem
but later, after I showed him a way to verify it, he relented
and admitted I was right. Rick also, to his credit, admitted
I am the one who pointed him to the W3 verification services -
a service any real web teacher should know about!
Even after I have quoted him doing each of those things he *still* denies
them and calls me names for pointing out his errors.
Snit
A4Kmj.60600$vt2....@bignews8.bellsouth.net on 1/26/08 10:28 AM:
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:51:24 -0500, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> Don't overwhelm Snot with any facts. After all, he thinks that working
>> with "files" is difficult, and "folders" are "advanced stuff"
>
> It is. Much of the population just doesn't get it, and many never will. I
> know people who have been working with computers for years and still become
> flustered.
>
Exactly... though with OS X there is a stepping stone that helps people gain
that understanding... and even those that never gain it are still able to be
very productive.
--
I am one of only .3% of people who have avoided becoming a statistic.
Snit
on 1/26/08 10:57 AM:
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:28:13 -0500, Tim Murray wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:51:24 -0500, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>> Don't overwhelm Snot with any facts. After all, he thinks that working
>>> with "files" is difficult, and "folders" are "advanced stuff"
>>
>> It is. Much of the population just doesn't get it, and many never will.
>> I know people who have been working with computers for years and still
>> become flustered.
>
> Judging by many students at our school, much of the population don't get
> the concept of file folders in the real world, either.
Hmmm, and those are not even abstractions. Thanks.
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> 13pn2of...@news.supernews.com on 1/26/08 12:33 PM:
>
>>> Huh? You told me no one ever needed to edit config files in Linux!
>>> Oops!
>>
>> I didn't tell you that, and I did that editing 8-10 years ago.
>
> Who cares what you claim to have done a decade ago?
There you go again, implying I didn't do it.
> Really. The only
> reason you even mention it is to try to obfuscate your current ignorance
> claims about Linux - and your inability to support your claims about it.
I gave you a list of thisngs I have done. You keep ignoring it.
>
> As a summary:
>
Fuck you and your dishonest summary.
>
> Even after I have quoted you doing each of those things you *still* deny
> them and call me names for pointing out your errors.
.. and the horse you in on.
--
Rick
Snit
on 1/26/08 2:26 PM:
>> Who cares what you claim to have done a decade ago? Really. The only reason
>> you even mention it is to try to obfuscate your current ignorance claims
>> about Linux - and your inability to support your claims about it.
>
> I gave you a list of thisngs I have done. You keep ignoring it.
It is a list of irrelevant things you claim to have done a decade ago... a
list you post as you run from the simple facts:
----------
In the context of novice and non-techie users of Ubuntu:
* Rick claimed that Ubuntu was as easy to use as OS X. I showed
many reasons why this was *not* the case by showing in quite
some detail a number of ease of use options OS X has that Ubuntu
lack. Rick completely failed to support his claim and only
after posting on the issue post after post did he retcon
the whole thing and say he never even tried. LOL! Riiiiight!
* When I told him that "the people who make Ubuntu are the ones
who chose what applications they want to include" he told me
this shows I am "clueless". Who does he think makes those
decisions?
* On seeing this: <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/ubuntu_open.mov>
and having it explained that it was a relatively stock version of
Ubuntu, Rick still asked if the lack of appropriate dialog was
from Ubuntu, Nautilus and/or Metacity! Even after I made it
very, very clear I was well aware of the answer he pretended that
he was asking merely to get me to tell him what I already had!
* Rick suggested these users (of Ubuntu!) use Notepad or Word Pad
to make web pages and learn what Ogg Vorbis is.
* Rick pointed me to a website with comments about him listing things
he later admitted were not even really what he claimed to have
done. I noted that the page has several flaws - including a
background that was tiled but should not have been (at least
horizontally). At first he denied his site had this problem
but later, after I showed him a way to verify it, he relented
and admitted I was right. Rick also, to his credit, admitted
I am the one who pointed him to the W3 verification services -
a service any real web teacher should know about!
Even after I have quoted him doing each of those things he *still* denies
them and calls me names for pointing out his errors.
---------
Snit
on 1/26/08 12:33 PM:
>> Huh? You told me no one ever needed to edit config files in Linux! Oops!
>
> I didn't tell you that, and I did that editing 8-10 years ago.
Who cares what you claim to have done a decade ago? Really. The only
reason you even mention it is to try to obfuscate your current ignorance
claims about Linux - and your inability to support your claims about it.
As a summary:
In the context of novice and non-techie users of Ubuntu:
* You claimed that Ubuntu was as easy to use as OS X. I showed
many reasons why this was *not* the case by showing in quite
some detail a number of ease of use options OS X has that Ubuntu
lack. You completely failed to support your claim and only
after posting on the issue post after post did you retcon
the whole thing and say you never even tried.
* When I told you that "the people who make Ubuntu are the ones
who chose what applications they want to include" you told me
this shows I am "clueless".
* On seeing this: <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/ubuntu_open.mov>
and having it explained that it was a relatively stalk version of
Ubuntu you still asked if the lack of appropriate dialog was
from Ubuntu, Nautilus and/or Metacity? Even after I made it
very, very clear I was well aware of the answer you pretended that
you were asking merely to get me to tell you what I already had!
* You suggested these users (of Ubuntu!) use Notepad or Word Pad
to make web pages and learn what Ogg Vorbis is.
* You pointed me to a website with comments about "you" listing things
you later admitted were not even really what you claimed to have
done, and I noted that the page has several flaws - including a
background that was tiled but should not have been (at least
horizontally). At first you denied your site had this problem
but later, after I showed you a way to verify it, you relented
and admitted I was right. You also, to your credit, admitted
I am the one who pointed you to the W3 verification services -
a service any real web teacher should know about!
Even after I have quoted you doing each of those things you *still* deny
Rick
--
Rick
Snit
>> Huh? You told me no one ever needed to edit config files in Linux! Oops!
>
> I didn't tell you that, and I did that editing 8-10 years ago.
Who cares what you claim to have done a decade ago? Really. The only