Fedora: my new distro of choice
Marti van Lin
has 384 MiB PC100 RAM, a Intel Pentium 4 1,70 Ghz CPU, a hardware
hacked (otherwise it would not fit into this desktop model) Nvidia
Geoforce 2 MX/400 GPU with 64 MiB VRAM. A tiny IDE harddisk drive (40
GiB) and a CDRW.Ethernet and AC'97 Sound is onboard.
If someone is interested in my motives, here is the story:
http://osgeex.blogspot.com/2009/07/fedora-my-new-distro-of-choice.html
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Ben
> Last night I installed Fedora 10 on my old Dell Optiplex GX240 (2002) It
> has 384 MiB PC100 RAM, a Intel Pentium 4 1,70 Ghz CPU, a hardware
> hacked (otherwise it would not fit into this desktop model) Nvidia
> Geoforce 2 MX/400 GPU with 64 MiB VRAM. A tiny IDE harddisk drive (40
> GiB) and a CDRW.Ethernet and AC'97 Sound is onboard.
>
> If someone is interested in my motives, here is the story:
>
> http://osgeex.blogspot.com/2009/07/fedora-my-new-distro-of-choice.html
>
> http://tinyurl.com/lj8x2c
>
I think it's a good idea to move away from Ubuntu to make a statement
about your stance on mono. I might, in the future, if mono becomes even
more embedded in Ubuntu. However, I've grown to accustomed to using
Ubuntu as my main desktop OS at the moment, and I've had some bad times
with Fedora, so I'm not ready to go to Fedora yet.
PS: I'm testing the waters with Fedora in VirtualBox to see if the
problems I had with it have gone yet.
amicus_curious
"Ben" <beno...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I think it's a good idea to move away from Ubuntu to make a statement
> about your stance on mono. I might, in the future, if mono becomes even
> more embedded in Ubuntu. However, I've grown to accustomed to using Ubuntu
> as my main desktop OS at the moment, and I've had some bad times with
> Fedora, so I'm not ready to go to Fedora yet.
>
Well, it is far more important that you folk using the free and open
software to strive for the philosophic integrity of the supplier rather than
be seduced by mere performance, fit, and finish. Giving back your attention
that way keeps the community pure and, besides, it makes you all look so
cute.
Ezekiel
"Marti van Lin" <ml2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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A while ago Suse Linux was hugely popular in COLA. Then Schestowitz ordered
his sheeple to stop using it.
Ubuntu was then popular and now for political reasons the freetards found a
reason not to use it.
So Fedora is now the "distro of choice" until something happens to change
that.
No wonder there's 100's and 100's of different distros. If you "advocates"
would actually care about using your computer and the software instead of
playing faux politics.
Logan Rathbone
Well, the politics of software development can often affect the actual
output of the software being developed. Just look at the great advances
that have been made since the XFree86 -> X.org transition...
If there is even a *perceived* risk of using Mono that gets people
nervous about using it to develop software, and encouraging people to
use other less risky tools allows more, better software to be created,
that is a Good Thing(tm) IMHO.
Peter Köhlmann
>
> "Marti van Lin" <ml2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:h2kmvp$2pi$1...@news.albasani.net...
>
>
> A while ago Suse Linux was hugely popular in COLA. Then Schestowitz
> ordered his sheeple to stop using it.
He "ordered" exactly nothing.
And it is also not his "sheeple". If he would try such a stunt, you would
get to see some gigantic flames in cola.
> Ubuntu was then popular and now for political reasons the freetards
> found a reason not to use it.
Bullshit
> So Fedora is now the "distro of choice" until something happens to
> change that.
Strange that so few COLA readers seem to use Fedora, then.
Some do. I mostly use SuSE. Others prefer Ubuntu.
> No wonder there's 100's and 100's of different distros. If you
> "advocates" would actually care about using your computer and the
> software instead of playing faux politics.
Idiot
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slightly used clues.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Ezekiel wrote:
>
>> "Marti van Lin" <ml2...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:h2kmvp$2pi$1...@news.albasani.net...
>>
>> A while ago Suse Linux was hugely popular in COLA.
I never noticed that. Peter's the only guy I know of, offhand.
>> Then Schestowitz ordered his sheeple to stop using it.
>
> He "ordered" exactly nothing.
> And it is also not his "sheeple". If he would try such a stunt, you would
> get to see some gigantic flames in cola.
Zeke and a few others want to set up Roy as a Linux-based Jesus Christ, just
so they have someone they can crucify.
You notice how they make a bigger noise over him than any of us make over
him?
>> Ubuntu was then popular and now for political reasons the freetards
>> found a reason not to use it.
>
> Bullshit
>
>> So Fedora is now the "distro of choice" until something happens to
>> change that.
>
> Strange that so few COLA readers seem to use Fedora, then.
> Some do. I mostly use SuSE. Others prefer Ubuntu.
Debian here.
I did install Fedora, but haven't had time to really exercise it.
I got it because a magazine had the 32- and 64-bit version on DVDs in a
magazine.
>> No wonder there's 100's and 100's of different distros. If you
>> "advocates" would actually care about using your computer and the
>> software instead of playing faux politics.
>
> Idiot
An idiot with an agenda.
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female ape to go up in space, winked at me slyly and pouted her thick,
rubbery lips unmistakably -- the first of many such advances during what
would prove to be the longest, and most memorable, space voyage of my
career.
-- Winning sentence, 1985 Bulwer-Lytton bad fiction contest.
White Spirit
> Last night I installed Fedora 10 on my old Dell Optiplex GX240 (2002) It
> has 384 MiB PC100 RAM, a Intel Pentium 4 1,70 Ghz CPU, a hardware
> hacked (otherwise it would not fit into this desktop model) Nvidia
> Geoforce 2 MX/400 GPU with 64 MiB VRAM. A tiny IDE harddisk drive (40
> GiB) and a CDRW.Ethernet and AC'97 Sound is onboard.
I haven't tried Fedora as I went off Red Hat but I might try some
distros out on a spare hard drive and if I do, Fedora will be one of them.
Don Zeigler
> Well,
Fuck off,
Ben
>
> So Fedora is now the "distro of choice" until something happens to change
> that.
Oh look, one person made a thread about why they've switched to Fedora.
WOW! Now it must be the whole newsgroup's "distro of choice"(TM).
>
> No wonder there's 100's and 100's of different distros. If you "advocates"
> would actually care about using your computer and the software instead of
> playing faux politics.
>
Ooookay... Showing you have a lot of knowledge of the purpose for many
Linux distros. ;)
amicus_curious
"Don Zeigler" <use...@donzeigler.info.invalid> wrote in message
news:wp4fbhx6...@this.domain.or.that...
> amicus_trollius wrote:
>
>> Well,
>
> Fuck off,
Such an obviously intelligent fellow! You are a credit to your race.
Peter Köhlmann
Yes. This is in stark contrast to your worthless "contributions".
He was succinct and to the point
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Ben
>
> "Don Zeigler" <use...@donzeigler.info.invalid> wrote in message
> news:wp4fbhx6...@this.domain.or.that...
>> amicus_trollius wrote:
>>
>>> Well,
>>
>> Fuck off,
>
As are you.
Hans Lister
> Last night I installed Fedora 10 on my old Dell Optiplex GX240 (2002) It
You'll be sorry....
Hans Lister
Amen brother!
Hans Lister
> Zeke and a few others want to set up Roy Schestowitz as a Linux-based Jesus Christ, just
> so they have someone they can crucify.
Yea but Roy Schestowitz comes with his own cross and box of
nails.
All we are providing is the hammer.
> An idiot with an agenda.
That's Roy Schestowitz all right.
(He's only away a day and MiniWitz is already defending him in
absentia. )
Hans Lister
> Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>> So Fedora is now the "distro of choice" until something happens to change
>> that.
>
> Oh look, one person made a thread about why they've switched to Fedora.
> WOW! Now it must be the whole newsgroup's "distro of choice"(TM).
Hopefully not or you guys are going to be spending an awful lot
of time fixing your systems.
Fedora is crap.
>>
>> No wonder there's 100's and 100's of different distros. If you "advocates"
>> would actually care about using your computer and the software instead of
>> playing faux politics.
>>
>
> Ooookay... Showing you have a lot of knowledge of the purpose for many
> Linux distros. ;)
Not many.
A few, like say Linux from scratch or DSL, or Studio64.
Most of them are just regurgitated and repackaged crap, like
Linux Mint for example.
Hans Lister
Sounds like a good way to waste a weekend.
Sinister Midget
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Peter Köhlmann belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>> A while ago Suse Linux was hugely popular in COLA.
>
> I never noticed that. Peter's the only guy I know of, offhand.
William used it. I played with it off and on, but I'm not married to a
particular distro, or even a particular package manager. In fact, even
though I usually use dpkg/apt I'd be delighted to put PCLOS on my Eee
if I could get it to complete a boot without losing track of where it
started out from.
I played with Fedora again for the first time in a long time a few weeks
ago. If it had a couple of programs I really can't live without I might
have given it more of a test. Maybe the next release. If the things I
need aren't there I'm sure I can figure out what to do about it.
>>> Then Schestowitz ordered his sheeple to stop using it.
>>
>> He "ordered" exactly nothing.
>> And it is also not his "sheeple". If he would try such a stunt, you would
>> get to see some gigantic flames in cola.
>
> Zeke and a few others want to set up Roy as a Linux-based Jesus Christ, just
> so they have someone they can crucify.
>
> You notice how they make a bigger noise over him than any of us make over
> him?
They did/still do that sometimes with Roy Culley. Especially Ewik and
Timmy. You'd think they'd eventually get over the crushes they have on
those spurning their affections. But it takes a "special" (short-bus
"special") type of lunatic to hold out hope for the impossible *AND* to
be a troll at the same time. Look how long it took Flatso to get over
Terry (if Flatfart really _is_ over Terry yet).
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Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On 2009-07-03, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> claimed:
>>
>> Zeke and a few others want to set up Roy as a Linux-based Jesus Christ, just
>> so they have someone they can crucify.
>>
>> You notice how they make a bigger noise over him than any of us make over
>> him?
>
> They did/still do that sometimes with Roy Culley. Especially Ewik and
> Timmy. You'd think they'd eventually get over the crushes they have on
> those spurning their affections. But it takes a "special" (short-bus
> "special") type of lunatic to hold out hope for the impossible *AND* to
> be a troll at the same time. Look how long it took Flatso to get over
> Terry (if Flatfart really _is_ over Terry yet).
Hmmm, I haven't seen Terry lately. His Linux-based GPS go out on him during
a field trip? :-)
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Hans Lister
> On 2009-07-03, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> claimed:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Peter K�hlmann belched out
>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Ezekiel wrote:
>
>>>> A while ago Suse Linux was hugely popular in COLA.
>>
>> I never noticed that. Peter's the only guy I know of, offhand.
>
> William used it. I played with it off and on, but I'm not married to a
> particular distro, or even a particular package manager. In fact, even
> though I usually use dpkg/apt I'd be delighted to put PCLOS on my Eee
> if I could get it to complete a boot without losing track of where it
> started out from.
Suse used to be one of the best distros out there.
The work they did with ALSA and X was groundbreaking.
They tanked when Novell got involved and have gone downhill
since then.
> I played with Fedora again for the first time in a long time a few weeks
> ago. If it had a couple of programs I really can't live without I might
> have given it more of a test. Maybe the next release. If the things I
> need aren't there I'm sure I can figure out what to do about it.
Fedora is terrible.
It really is.
He should use Mandriva instead.
Hans Lister
He probably forgot to open the telnet port.
Ben
Linux Mint is shit. Most people agree.
Don Zeigler
> Most of them are just regurgitated and repackaged crap, like
> Linux Mint for example.
You obviously have never tried Mint. But then again, you are a trolling
snotrag...
RonB
> Last night I installed Fedora 10 on my old Dell Optiplex GX240 (2002) It
> has 384 MiB PC100 RAM, a Intel Pentium 4 1,70 Ghz CPU, a hardware
> hacked (otherwise it would not fit into this desktop model) Nvidia
> Geoforce 2 MX/400 GPU with 64 MiB VRAM. A tiny IDE harddisk drive (40
> GiB) and a CDRW.Ethernet and AC'97 Sound is onboard.
>
> If someone is interested in my motives, here is the story:
>
> http://osgeex.blogspot.com/2009/07/fedora-my-new-distro-of-choice.html
>
> http://tinyurl.com/lj8x2c
I think Fedora has come back a long way with releases 10 and 11. I use
CentOS, but I've installed both Ubuntu 9.04 and Fedora 11 under
VirtualBox on my wife's XP computer. I don't do much with them, just
keep them updated and test a few programs in them, but I like to see
where these distributions are going. Since I've made the decision to
mostly go the Red Hat route, I would probably chose Fedora over Ubuntu.
I wouldn't have done that with releases 8 or 9 of Fedora.
Curious as to why you chose Fedora 10 instead of 11?
--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
Hans Lister
Yes I have.
It's Ubuntu with a nicer look and some things work better from
the install, like codecs/video.
Other than that, it's basically ubuntu.
RonB
That's why it's number 4 on the Distrowatch list -- behind openSUSE,
Fedora and Ubuntu.
Why does it seem to be a prerequisite to hate something others use and
like because you like another distribution? Never been able to quite
figure that out.
I mean flatline--- is a shifty, lying WinTroll FUDdite, but what's your
excuse?
RonB
Yep -- on both counts.
William Poaster
of the trolls Peter Köhlmann was heard to say:
WTF is that "Zeke the BOZO" smoking?
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William Poaster
of the trolls Sinister Midget was heard to say:
> On 2009-07-03, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> claimed:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Peter Köhlmann belched out
>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Ezekiel wrote:
>
>>>> A while ago Suse Linux was hugely popular in COLA.
>>
>> I never noticed that. Peter's the only guy I know of, offhand.
>
> William used it. I played with it off and on, but I'm not married to a
> particular distro, or even a particular package manager. In fact, even
> though I usually use dpkg/apt I'd be delighted to put PCLOS on my Eee if
> I could get it to complete a boot without losing track of where it
> started out from.
Yes, I used SuSE when I switched to using Linux full time. IMO though,
things seemed to go a bit awry when 10.0 (or was it 10.1) was released.
The updater was changed from YaST2 to something which was *really*
screwed up IMO. There was a lot of discussion in SuSE groups on the Novel
server at the time. There were some big changes in 10.0 which I didn't
really like, & decided me to change, but that was the major one as I
recall. I have to say that before that, I don't recall SuSE screwing
anything up at all. I also found it to be better when it was an
independent German company, but that's just MHO.
> I played with Fedora again for the first time in a long time a few weeks
> ago. If it had a couple of programs I really can't live without I might
> have given it more of a test. Maybe the next release. If the things I
> need aren't there I'm sure I can figure out what to do about it.
>
>>>> Then Schestowitz ordered his sheeple to stop using it.
>>>
>>> He "ordered" exactly nothing.
>>> And it is also not his "sheeple". If he would try such a stunt, you
>>> would get to see some gigantic flames in cola.
>>
>> Zeke and a few others want to set up Roy as a Linux-based Jesus Christ,
>> just so they have someone they can crucify.
>>
>> You notice how they make a bigger noise over him than any of us make
>> over him?
Yeah, well He drowns 'em out with his posts & the trolls don't like
that! ;-) But they're too stupid to use the [NEWS] part of the subject
line to kf it.
> They did/still do that sometimes with Roy Culley. Especially Ewik and
> Timmy. You'd think they'd eventually get over the crushes they have on
> those spurning their affections. But it takes a "special" (short-bus
> "special") type of lunatic to hold out hope for the impossible *AND* to
> be a troll at the same time. Look how long it took Flatso to get over
> Terry (if Flatfart really _is_ over Terry yet).
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cultures which practice *ethical* co-operation. Perhaps that's why it
threatens *unethical* business practices which feed on the unknowing."
-- Bassam A. Hassan -- CoFounder of the ILUG.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Hans Lister wrote:
And mostly a shameless liar.
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A: To get to the middle.
Ben
It's Ubuntu with its balls chopped off.
But comparing Mint with distros like Slackware and Gentoo is erroneous
anyway, because there's a reason why other distros like those have
limited audiences (Joe computer user isn't going to set up a desktop
Arch Linux install). Fedora, Ubuntu, Mint, etc. are a different genre of
distributions altogether, comparing them on distrowatch like that is
like comparing apples and pears.
Logan Rathbone
> [snip]
> It's Ubuntu with its balls chopped off.
Wait, how does that work... isn't Ubuntu already a nutless Debian?
Ben
Ubuntu is a one-balled Debian, like Hitler (Godwin's law, har har).
Linux Mint has had the other chopped, too.
Logan Rathbone
Gotcha. Oh, no pun intended with the "snips", by the way!
High Plains Thumper
> Sinister Midget was heard:
>> Chris Ahlstrom claimed:
>>> Peter Köhlmann belched:
>>>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A while ago Suse Linux was hugely popular in COLA.
>>>
>>> I never noticed that. Peter's the only guy I know of,
>>> offhand.
>>
>> William used it. I played with it off and on, but I'm not
>> married to a particular distro, or even a particular package
>> manager. In fact, even though I usually use dpkg/apt I'd be
>> delighted to put PCLOS on my Eee if I could get it to
>> complete a boot without losing track of where it started out
>> from.
>
> Yes, I used SuSE when I switched to using Linux full time. IMO
> though, things seemed to go a bit awry when 10.0 (or was it
> 10.1) was released. The updater was changed from YaST2 to
> something which was *really* screwed up IMO. There was a lot
> of discussion in SuSE groups on the Novel server at the time.
> There were some big changes in 10.0 which I didn't really
> like, & decided me to change, but that was the major one as I
> recall. I have to say that before that, I don't recall SuSE
> screwing anything up at all. I also found it to be better when
> it was an independent German company, but that's just MHO.
I really liked SuSE when it was its own German company. It was
not freeware, but the $70 US or so was well worth it, especially
that it came with a useful manual.
When 10.0 came along, I tried their Open version, then decided to
migrate to Debian and Ubuntu.
>> They did/still do that sometimes with Roy Culley. Especially
>> Ewik and Timmy. You'd think they'd eventually get over the
>> crushes they have on those spurning their affections. But it
>> takes a "special" (short-bus "special") type of lunatic to
>> hold out hope for the impossible *AND* to be a troll at the
>> same time. Look how long it took Flatso to get over Terry
>> (if Flatfart really _is_ over Terry yet).
Yes, it is amazing how they retain a grudge with Roy Culley. It
is just another sign of troll lunacy. Particularly amazing is
Flatfish's prejudicial agenda against Marti and me. I've become
very well convinced that Clogwog is nothing more than a Flatfish
sock, an entity that expresses its dire hatred toward Linux
advocates with a hate agenda.
This is rather sad that one cannot express any truthful opinions
or experiences of Linux and FOSS without someone's criminal
behaviour showing up.
--
HPT
Hans Lister
> William Poaster wrote:
>> Sinister Midget was heard:
>>> Chris Ahlstrom claimed:
>>>> Peter K�hlmann belched:
>>>>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A while ago Suse Linux was hugely popular in COLA.
>>>>
>>>> I never noticed that. Peter's the only guy I know of,
>>>> offhand.
>>>
>>> William used it. I played with it off and on, but I'm not
>>> married to a particular distro, or even a particular package
>>> manager. In fact, even though I usually use dpkg/apt I'd be
>>> delighted to put PCLOS on my Eee if I could get it to
>>> complete a boot without losing track of where it started out
>>> from.
>>
>> Yes, I used SuSE when I switched to using Linux full time. IMO
>> though, things seemed to go a bit awry when 10.0 (or was it
>> 10.1) was released. The updater was changed from YaST2 to
>> something which was *really* screwed up IMO. There was a lot
>> of discussion in SuSE groups on the Novel server at the time.
>> There were some big changes in 10.0 which I didn't really
>> like, & decided me to change, but that was the major one as I
>> recall. I have to say that before that, I don't recall SuSE
>> screwing anything up at all. I also found it to be better when
>> it was an independent German company, but that's just MHO.
>
> I really liked SuSE when it was its own German company. It was
> not freeware, but the $70 US or so was well worth it, especially
> that it came with a useful manual.
Yes.
It was a nice tutorial on Linux.
> When 10.0 came along, I tried their Open version, then decided to
> migrate to Debian and Ubuntu.
It went down the toilet.
It's one of the few things I agree with Schestowitz on.
Novell really killed Suse.
> Yes, it is amazing how they retain a grudge with Roy Culley. It
> is just another sign of troll lunacy.
Culley by virtue of his nymshifting, and getting caught, dug his
own grave.
Nobody holds any grudge against him in particular.
He was just another Linux whack job.
> Particularly amazing is
> Flatfish's prejudicial agenda against Marti and me.
I'm not prejudiced against either you or Marti.
I don't happen to agree with your disgusting lifestyle, Marti in
particular with his comments about how his dead boyfriend used
to....well you get the idea...
Sickening.
As for you, I think you are a nut.
Anyone who catalogs posts from God knows how many years ago and
spews them in a discussion group has a couple of screws loose.
> I've become
> very well convinced that Clogwog is nothing more than a Flatfish
> sock, an entity that expresses its dire hatred toward Linux
> advocates with a hate agenda.
Wrong again dude.
I have nothing to do with Clogwog.
Absolutely nothing other than the fact that we both agree that
you are a nut.
> This is rather sad that one cannot express any truthful opinions
> or experiences of Linux and FOSS without someone's criminal
> behaviour showing up.
That's the funniest thing you've said in a long time HPT.
Hans Lister
First Roy Schestowitz.
Now LinuxMint.
What is this group coming to?
Hans Lister
Hitler had only one ball?
What happened to the other?
Homer
> Curious as to why you chose Fedora 10 instead of 11?
It's a smart choice, as Fedora is bleeding-edge by design, so the
previous release has fewer issues by the time the current comes out,
whilst still being supported with updates. Of course that does give him
a shorter window until its EOL, but then Fedora's release cycle is
damned fast (perhaps too damned fast), so he'd end up facing an upgrade
pretty soon anyway. For LTS, you're better off with CentOS or RHEL.
He also gets immediate access to the the official respins (roughly
comparable to integrated service packs), so he'll have comparatively
fewer updates (and fewer issues) to deal with post install.
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| "The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's throat, for which
| the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf
| denounces him for the same act, as the destroyer of liberty.
| Plainly the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of
| the word liberty; and precisely the same difference prevails today
| among human creatures." ~ Abraham Lincoln
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19:56:00 up 35 days, 23:54, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.07
Hans Lister
>
>> Curious as to why you chose Fedora 10 instead of 11?
>
> It's a smart choice, as Fedora is bleeding-edge by design, so the
> previous release has fewer issues by the time the current comes out,
> whilst still being supported with updates.
And when Fedora 12 comes out you;ll be saying the same
thing.....
Problem is, it really never gets any better.
Fedora sucks.
RonB
Your *opinion* noted. But you could say the same thing about Ubuntu --
it's "Debian with its balls cut off." This is how open source works --
people use other distributions for starting points and modify them --
that's why it's called "open source." A lot of people like the fact that
Mint includes the codecs Ubuntu doesn't -- plus they've gone to a
different style of Desktop and made several other changes -- even some
innovations.
Your comment about Distrowatch doesn't address Distrowatch's ranking
system -- which simply gauges interest in distributions. It has nothing
to do with what "kind" of distributions we're talking about. For
whatever reason, Mint gets the fourth most "hits" of all the
distributions on Distrowatch. That's just the facts -- your opinion
doesn't account for a hill of beans here.
Personally, had I chosen to use one of the Debian distributions, I would
have probably just used Debian. The codecs, etc., are not hard to set up.
And again... I'm sorry, but I just don't see the point in running down
distributions because you like a particular one (or ones). If a
distribution has any success at all, it's because enough people are
interested in it to make it successful. Assuming that you know better
than all those people is the height of arrogance.
RonB
You said it better than I did.
RonB
> Verily I say unto thee, that RonB spake thusly:
>
>> Curious as to why you chose Fedora 10 instead of 11?
>
> It's a smart choice, as Fedora is bleeding-edge by design, so the
> previous release has fewer issues by the time the current comes out,
> whilst still being supported with updates. Of course that does give him
> a shorter window until its EOL, but then Fedora's release cycle is
> damned fast (perhaps too damned fast), so he'd end up facing an upgrade
> pretty soon anyway. For LTS, you're better off with CentOS or RHEL.
>
> He also gets immediate access to the the official respins (roughly
> comparable to integrated service packs), so he'll have comparatively
> fewer updates (and fewer issues) to deal with post install.
Now I see. That's a big part of the reason I use CentOS -- it's going to
be around for awhile. And I have noticed, when maintaining the Fedora 11
install in VirtualBox, that it has a LOT of updates -- almost an endless
stream of them. Point well taken.
Tim Smith
Marti van Lin <ml2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If someone is interested in my motives, here is the story:
>
> http://osgeex.blogspot.com/2009/07/fedora-my-new-distro-of-choice.html
>
> http://tinyurl.com/lj8x2c
You are going to feel really stupid when Fedora 12 comes out.
--
--Tim Smith
Hans Lister
They still mostly regurgitated versions of the originals.
Some real unique distributions exist like DSL, but in general
most of these things are nothing more than repackaged Debian,
Suse, Slackware, Gentoo etc...
Hans Lister
If the typical Linux distribution is beta, and it is, then
Fedora is alpha-alpha.
If all you want to do is play around with bleeding edge
instability, fine but I wouldn't trust *my data* with Fedora
garbage.
chrisv
> rat wrote:
>
>> Don Zeigler wrote:
>>>
>>> Fuck off,
>>
>> Such an obviously intelligent fellow! You are a credit to your race.
>
> Yes. This is in stark contrast to your worthless "contributions".
>
> He was succinct and to the point
The only way Rat would give you credit is if you were an immoral scumbag,
willing to fsck-over your fellow man, for profit. That's "intelligent",
to filth like Rat.
chrisv
> You are going to feel really stupid when Fedora 12 comes out.
You beat him to the punch there, eh Tim?
chrisv
> Peter Köhlmann belched:
>>
>> trolling fsckwit Ezekiel wrote:
>>>
>>> No wonder there's 100's and 100's of different distros. If you
>>> "advocates" would actually care about using your computer and the
>>> software instead of playing faux politics.
Let's see... Idiocy, lies, illogic... You hit the trifecta, "Ezekiel"!
>> Idiot
>
> An idiot with an agenda.
Classic trolling. Lie, shamelessly, about what the advocates are
thinking or doing, and then attack them on the basis of the lies.
chrisv
> Don Zeigler belched:
>
>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>
>>> Most of them are just regurgitated and repackaged crap, like Linux
>>> Mint for example.
>>
>> You obviously have never tried Mint. But then again, you are a trolling
>> snotrag...
>
> And mostly a shameless liar.
And mentally-ill.
chrisv
> Ben wrote:
>>
>> It's Ubuntu with its balls chopped off.
>>
>> But comparing Mint with distros like Slackware and Gentoo is erroneous
>> anyway, because there's a reason why other distros like those have
>> limited audiences (Joe computer user isn't going to set up a desktop
>> Arch Linux install). Fedora, Ubuntu, Mint, etc. are a different genre
>> of distributions altogether, comparing them on distrowatch like that is
>> like comparing apples and pears.
>
> Your *opinion* noted. But you could say the same thing about Ubuntu --
> it's "Debian with its balls cut off." This is how open source works --
> people use other distributions for starting points and modify them --
> that's why it's called "open source." A lot of people like the fact that
> Mint includes the codecs Ubuntu doesn't -- plus they've gone to a
> different style of Desktop and made several other changes -- even some
> innovations.
>
> (snip)
>
> And again... I'm sorry, but I just don't see the point in running down
> distributions because you like a particular one (or ones). If a
> distribution has any success at all, it's because enough people are
> interested in it to make it successful. Assuming that you know better
> than all those people is the height of arrogance.
"Ben" is a troll. You watch, he'll go out in flames, like all trolls who
start-out being sort-of reasonable.
He's already attacking freedom and choice, we see...
Snit
7/3/09 1:19 PM:
Most of the "advocates" argue against my advocacy for greater user choice...
based on your criteria they are all trolls.
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Aaargh! COLA's Waldorf (Dumkopf) and Statler (chrisv) "contributed" to linux
advocacy!
http://i42.tinypic.com/i38ns2.jpg
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> RonB wrote:
>
>> And again... I'm sorry, but I just don't see the point in running down
>> distributions because you like a particular one (or ones). If a
>> distribution has any success at all, it's because enough people are
>> interested in it to make it successful. Assuming that you know better
>> than all those people is the height of arrogance.
>
> "Ben" is a troll. You watch, he'll go out in flames, like all trolls who
> start-out being sort-of reasonable.
>
> He's already attacking freedom and choice, we see...
Interesting thought....
--
+0100
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> In article <h2kmvp$2pi$1...@news.albasani.net>,
What? Support for more webcams?
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/12/FeatureList
--
English literature's performing flea.
-- Sean O'Casey on P. G. Wodehouse
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Peter K�hlmann belched:
Straw heads build straw men.
--
Q: How do you stop an elephant from charging?
A: Take away his credit cards.
RonB
> After takin' a swig o' grog, chrisv belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Peter K�hlmann belched:
>>>> trolling fsckwit Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>> No wonder there's 100's and 100's of different distros. If you
>>>>> "advocates" would actually care about using your computer and the
>>>>> software instead of playing faux politics.
>> Let's see... Idiocy, lies, illogic... You hit the trifecta, "Ezekiel"!
>>
>>>> Idiot
>>> An idiot with an agenda.
>> Classic trolling. Lie, shamelessly, about what the advocates are
>> thinking or doing, and then attack them on the basis of the lies.
>
> Straw heads build straw men.
Good line.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, chrisv belched out
>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> Peter K�hlmann belched:
>>>>> trolling fsckwit Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>> No wonder there's 100's and 100's of different distros. If you
>>>>>> "advocates" would actually care about using your computer and the
>>>>>> software instead of playing faux politics.
>>> Let's see... Idiocy, lies, illogic... You hit the trifecta, "Ezekiel"!
>>>
>>>>> Idiot
>>>> An idiot with an agenda.
>>> Classic trolling. Lie, shamelessly, about what the advocates are
>>> thinking or doing, and then attack them on the basis of the lies.
>>
>> Straw heads build straw men.
>
> Good line.
Thanks!
Here's your doggie drop. Use it wisely.
--
Your lucky color has faded.
Marti van Lin
> Marti van Lin wrote:
>> Last night I installed Fedora 10 on my old Dell Optiplex GX240 (2002) It
>> has 384 MiB PC100 RAM, a Intel Pentium 4 1,70 Ghz CPU, a hardware
>> hacked (otherwise it would not fit into this desktop model) Nvidia
>> Geoforce 2 MX/400 GPU with 64 MiB VRAM. A tiny IDE harddisk drive (40
>> GiB) and a CDRW.Ethernet and AC'97 Sound is onboard.
>>
>> If someone is interested in my motives, here is the story:
>>
>> http://osgeex.blogspot.com/2009/07/fedora-my-new-distro-of-choice.html
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/lj8x2c
>>
>
> about your stance on mono. I might, in the future, if mono becomes even
> more embedded in Ubuntu. However, I've grown to accustomed to using
> Ubuntu as my main desktop OS at the moment, and I've had some bad times
> with Fedora, so I'm not ready to go to Fedora yet.
Fortunately GNU/Linux is all about choice. Fedora isn't the only other
distribution out there. And it might even be sufficient to change
desktop environments (KDE, XFCE == Kubuntu, Xuubuntu etc.).
Another good example is Gnewsencse. This is basically a Ubuntu spin off
(with Gnome) excluding non Free Software:
> PS: I'm testing the waters with Fedora in VirtualBox to see if the
> problems I had with it have gone yet.
I used Fedora Core 2, which was fine (it was pretty much like Redhat 8.0
OMHO). The last time I tried Fedora was version 6 and I disliked it
pretty much.
Fedora 10 > is great IMHO. But honestly F10/KDE4 comes up with the
package management GUI frontend called "PackageKit", which IMO is not
ready for prime time yet. So I chose to work with the CLI frontend
called "yum" which is pretty much like apt-get on Ubuntu and other
Debian based distro's.
If you need help with Fedora (or any other distro) just ask, everyone in
COLA will be glad to offer help.
Please remember, nobody is forcing you to use whatever distribution,
it's all about Freedom and Choice ;-)
Cheers
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Hans Lister
That's the crazy part, I don't think anyone here is against
choice.
Some are simply saying that in some cases, too much choice is
not a good thing.
The cell phone adapter is one example.
Hans Lister
You had better hang on to your stash Liarmutt.
Roy Schestowitz won't be back until Monday or Tuesday.
Don Zeigler
>> And mostly a shameless liar.
>
> And mentally-ill.
With scabies.
William Poaster
of the trolls Don Zeigler was heard to say:
*ick*!
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Hans Lister
You owe me a Sam Adams Lager....
RonB
>
> Fedora 10 > is great IMHO. But honestly F10/KDE4 comes up with the
> package management GUI frontend called "PackageKit", which IMO is not
> ready for prime time yet. So I chose to work with the CLI frontend
> called "yum" which is pretty much like apt-get on Ubuntu and other
> Debian based distro's.
I liked the early Fedora releases but, in my opinion, the middle
releases got too "cutting edge." When I tried Fedora 10 I was surprised
at how solid and easy to install had become. I think I read that Red Hat
stepped in, figuring that Fedora had gotten too far "out there." Sure it
is a test bed, but to get anyone to use it, it also has to be a viable
distribution.
As for yum, that's about all I use in CentOS. I learned how to use it
before I knew anything about apt-get (in Debian flavors) and zypper (in
openSUSE). They all have different options, but work pretty much the same.
Don Zeigler
> You owe me a Sam Adams Lager....
Bill me. :-P
Hans Lister
Ok!
I'm passing through WV in a couple of weeks....
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Hans Lister wrote:
>
>> You owe me a Sam Adams Lager....
>
> Bill me. :-P
That crap! (I like it, but there are a lot off better American beers
around).
--
Excellent time to become a missing person.
Marti van Lin
> Mentally ill troll wrote:
>> On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:18:41 +0100, Ben wrote:
>>
>>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>>> So Fedora is now the "distro of choice" until something happens to
>>>> change that.
>>> Oh look, one person made a thread about why they've switched to
>>> Fedora. WOW! Now it must be the whole newsgroup's "distro of
>>> choice"(TM).
Exactly!
>> Hopefully not or you guys are going to be spending an awful lot
>> of time fixing your systems.
>> Fedora is crap.
If it was crap, then why would I be so excited about it in a positive
manner?
It most certainly isn't as crappy as Windows Vista and 7.
>>
>>>> No wonder there's 100's and 100's of different distros. If you
>>>> "advocates" would actually care about using your computer and the
>>>> software instead of playing faux politics.
>>>>
That is exactly what I'm doing: looking for an alternative for a great
distribution (Ubuntu) which is unfortunately infested with a Microsoft
Trojan(tm).
I decide whatever I do or do not tolerate on my machines and a clearly
don't tolerate Microsoft Trojan(tm). Now if the distributor makes a
statement that it keeps on providing Microsoft Trojan(tm), it's time to
me to move on.
It's a matter of Freedom and Choice, to things that scare the shite out
of Windroids, because they are not used to Freedom nor Choice.
Windroids advocate an Operating System that behaves like a nanny, I and
my fellow COLA readership advocate an Operating System that behaves like
a servant.
>>> Ooookay... Showing you have a lot of knowledge of the purpose for
>>> many Linux distros. ;)
>>
>> Not many.
>> A few, like say Linux from scratch or DSL, or Studio64.
LFS isn't even a distro. It's a book and a collection of basic packages
to create your own GNU/Linux distro /from scratch/ (hence its name).
And Flatfish /certainly/ has experience with that <NOT>. The dumbass
even claimed he could not get his Nvidia chipset based video adapter
properly working on Ubuntu 8.10.
Later he proved that he even lacks the simple logic to understand, why
he could not save his custom settings to the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
using the nvidia-settings-manager.
I explained to him that he had to start it as superuser (gksu
nvidia-settings-manager), simply because as a general user you don't
have write access to the content of the /etc directory.
Naturally he attacked both Ubuntu and me for helping him.
[rest snipped]
Marti van Lin
> William Poaster wrote:
>> Sinister Midget was heard:
>>> Chris Ahlstrom claimed:
>>>> Peter Köhlmann belched:
>>>>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A while ago Suse Linux was hugely popular in COLA.
>>>> I never noticed that. Peter's the only guy I know of,
>>>> offhand.
>>> William used it. I played with it off and on, but I'm not
>>> married to a particular distro, or even a particular package
>>> manager. In fact, even though I usually use dpkg/apt I'd be
>>> delighted to put PCLOS on my Eee if I could get it to
>>> complete a boot without losing track of where it started out
>>> from.
>> Yes, I used SuSE when I switched to using Linux full time. IMO
>> though, things seemed to go a bit awry when 10.0 (or was it
>> 10.1) was released. The updater was changed from YaST2 to
>> something which was *really* screwed up IMO. There was a lot
>> of discussion in SuSE groups on the Novel server at the time.
>> There were some big changes in 10.0 which I didn't really
>> like, & decided me to change, but that was the major one as I
>> recall. I have to say that before that, I don't recall SuSE
>> screwing anything up at all. I also found it to be better when
>> it was an independent German company, but that's just MHO.
>
> I really liked SuSE when it was its own German company. It was
> not freeware, but the $70 US or so was well worth it, especially
> that it came with a useful manual.
>
> When 10.0 came along, I tried their Open version, then decided to
> migrate to Debian and Ubuntu.
>
Same here, I used SuSE since version 6.1 up to openSUSE 10.0. The latter
was shipped with a German Linux Magazine. The magazine provided links to
additional repositories.
I Loved it!
>>> They did/still do that sometimes with Roy Culley. Especially
>>> Ewik and Timmy. You'd think they'd eventually get over the
>>> crushes they have on those spurning their affections. But it
>>> takes a "special" (short-bus "special") type of lunatic to
>>> hold out hope for the impossible *AND* to be a troll at the
>>> same time. Look how long it took Flatso to get over Terry
>>> (if Flatfart really _is_ over Terry yet).
>
> Yes, it is amazing how they retain a grudge with Roy Culley. It
> is just another sign of troll lunacy. Particularly amazing is
> Flatfish's prejudicial agenda against Marti and me. I've become
> very well convinced that Clogwog is nothing more than a Flatfish
> sock, an entity that expresses its dire hatred toward Linux
> advocates with a hate agenda.
I wouldn't pay as much attention if I where you. He doesn't know your
real name and it should be clear to your relatives that our so called
"marriage" is completely loony tunes.
This is what all Wintrolls have in common. If attacking the message
fails, attack the messenger.
> This is rather sad that one cannot express any truthful opinions
> or experiences of Linux and FOSS without someone's criminal
> behaviour showing up.
That's true, but this is (obviously) Life. Sh1t happens, move on ;-)
Marti van Lin
> RonB wrote:
>> Ben wrote:
>>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 15:18:41 +0100, Ben wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>>> So Fedora is now the "distro of choice" until something happens to
>>>>>> change that.
>>>>> Oh look, one person made a thread about why they've switched to
>>>>> Fedora. WOW! Now it must be the whole newsgroup's "distro of
>>>>> choice"(TM).
>>>>
>>>> of time fixing your systems.
>>>> Fedora is crap.
>>>>
>>>>>> "advocates" would actually care about using your computer and the
>>>>>> software instead of playing faux politics.
>>>>>>
>>>>> many Linux distros. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Not many.
>>>> A few, like say Linux from scratch or DSL, or Studio64.
>>>>
>>>> Linux Mint for example.
>>>
>>
>> That's why it's number 4 on the Distrowatch list -- behind openSUSE,
>> Fedora and Ubuntu.
>>
>> Why does it seem to be a prerequisite to hate something others use and
>> like because you like another distribution? Never been able to quite
>> figure that out.
>>
>> I mean flatline--- is a shifty, lying WinTroll FUDdite, but what's
>> your excuse?
>>
>
> It's Ubuntu with its balls chopped off.
Ah, you are discussing the /Universal/ edition.
The /Main/ edition of Linux Mint is more like Ubuntu on steroids
(including ubuntu-restricted-extras by default).
And a very well done paint job (however beauty is in the eye of the
beholder) ;-)
> But comparing Mint with distros like Slackware and Gentoo is erroneous
> anyway, because there's a reason why other distros like those have
> limited audiences (Joe computer user isn't going to set up a desktop
> Arch Linux install). Fedora, Ubuntu, Mint, etc. are a different genre of
> distributions altogether, comparing them on distrowatch like that is
> like comparing apples and pears.
Marti van Lin
> Don Zeigler wrote:
>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>
>>> Linux Mint for example.
>>
>> snotrag...
>
>
++
8-)
Hans Lister
> Naturally he attacked both Ubuntu and me for helping him.
>
> [rest snipped]
Dude, relax.
I'm not attacking you.
I'm simply telling you that Fedora IMHO is not a great choice.
Hans Lister
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Don Zeigler belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>
>>> You owe me a Sam Adams Lager....
>>
>> Bill me. :-P
>
> That crap! (I like it, but there are a lot off better American beers
> around).
Like?
I happen to like Brooklyn Beer, but what else?
Most American beers aren't that great.
Hans Lister
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>> William Poaster wrote:
>>> Sinister Midget was heard:
>>>> Chris Ahlstrom claimed:
>>>>> Peter Köhlmann belched:
That's because it used to be a quality distribution.
That is no longer true, sadly.
Marti van Lin
> Marti van Lin wrote:
>> Last night I installed Fedora 10 on my old Dell Optiplex GX240 (2002) It
>> has 384 MiB PC100 RAM, a Intel Pentium 4 1,70 Ghz CPU, a hardware
>> hacked (otherwise it would not fit into this desktop model) Nvidia
>> Geoforce 2 MX/400 GPU with 64 MiB VRAM. A tiny IDE harddisk drive (40
>> GiB) and a CDRW.Ethernet and AC'97 Sound is onboard.
>>
>> If someone is interested in my motives, here is the story:
>>
>> http://osgeex.blogspot.com/2009/07/fedora-my-new-distro-of-choice.html
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/lj8x2c
>
> CentOS, but I've installed both Ubuntu 9.04 and Fedora 11 under
> VirtualBox on my wife's XP computer. I don't do much with them, just
> keep them updated and test a few programs in them, but I like to see
> where these distributions are going. Since I've made the decision to
> mostly go the Red Hat route, I would probably chose Fedora over Ubuntu.
> I wouldn't have done that with releases 8 or 9 of Fedora.
>
> Curious as to why you chose Fedora 10 instead of 11?
>
I downloaded F10 only a couple of weeks ago. In the meantime F11 is
released and to be honest I didn't want to "waste" another CDR on it.
First time I tried F10 I got stuck. As a result of both Ubuntu and
Fedora's recent official announcements about their point of view
according Mono/C# It was worth the afford to give it another shot.
The reason I got Fedora working properly this time is only because I
payed a little more attention (read how to install/remove software and
repositories, from the excellent documentation and had a quick look at
the yum manpage).
I'm still running Ubuntu 9.04 on my laptop, but I won't upgrade to 9.10.
I will wait for F12 to replace Ubuntu.
Cheers
RonB
I hate to see you have to give up Ubuntu -- there's a lot of good people
working on it. But I also get the point. But can't Mono just be removed?
Mono is in the CentOS repositories, but it's not loaded by default.
Gregory Shearman
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Don Zeigler belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>
>>> You owe me a Sam Adams Lager....
>>
>> Bill me. :-P
>
> That crap! (I like it, but there are a lot off better American beers
> around).
Yep. I've been trying to find some Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, but can't
find it anywhere around here. It's supposed to be a damn good drop.
--
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
Hans Lister
> On 2009-07-03, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Don Zeigler belched out
>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>>
>>>> You owe me a Sam Adams Lager....
>>>
>>> Bill me. :-P
>>
>> That crap! (I like it, but there are a lot off better American beers
>> around).
>
> Yep. I've been trying to find some Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, but can't
> find it anywhere around here. It's supposed to be a damn good drop.
You can't find it because it sucks.
It tastes flat.
Marti van Lin
Yes it's not that hard to remove Mono. The Jaunty Jackalope on my laptop
is Mono-free. And has an application called Mononono installed, which
warns me if I try to install a Mono dependent app.
> Mono is in the CentOS repositories, but it's not loaded by default.
That's the way it should be in Ubuntu as well me thinks.
But to be honest, I also like to try different distro's all the time ;-)
RonB
Actually, I do too. I love variety -- unlike some of the control freaks
(whom I won't mention). It's almost like being a kid in a candy store,
where everything is free. But I've pretty much settled on CentOS for my
day to day computing because, 1) I may need to get certified in Linux if
Nortel keeps down its current path and Red Hat basically *is* corporate
Linux in the United States. And 2) the distribution suits me. I like
"trailing edge" solid. Though I did "cheat" this evening and added the M
Harris repository so I could get Firefox 3.5. Glad I did, it's fast.
Ben
> RonB wrote:
>
>> Ben wrote:
>>> It's Ubuntu with its balls chopped off.
>>>
>>> anyway, because there's a reason why other distros like those have
>>> limited audiences (Joe computer user isn't going to set up a desktop
>>> Arch Linux install). Fedora, Ubuntu, Mint, etc. are a different genre
>>> of distributions altogether, comparing them on distrowatch like that is
>>> like comparing apples and pears.
>> it's "Debian with its balls cut off." This is how open source works --
>> people use other distributions for starting points and modify them --
>> that's why it's called "open source." A lot of people like the fact that
>> Mint includes the codecs Ubuntu doesn't -- plus they've gone to a
>> different style of Desktop and made several other changes -- even some
>> innovations.
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>> And again... I'm sorry, but I just don't see the point in running down
>> distributions because you like a particular one (or ones). If a
>> distribution has any success at all, it's because enough people are
>> interested in it to make it successful. Assuming that you know better
>> than all those people is the height of arrogance.
>
> "Ben" is a troll. You watch, he'll go out in flames, like all trolls who
> start-out being sort-of reasonable.
>
> He's already attacking freedom and choice, we see...
No, I'm giving my personal opinion on Mint.
Ben
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Don Zeigler belched:
>>
>>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most of them are just regurgitated and repackaged crap, like Linux
>>>> Mint for example.
>>> You obviously have never tried Mint. But then again, you are a trolling
>>> snotrag...
>
> And mentally-ill.
How rich from the person who needs a chillpill so desperately.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On 2009-07-03, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>>
>>>> You owe me a Sam Adams Lager....
>>
>> That crap! (I like it, but there are a lot off better American beers
>> around).
>
> Yep. I've been trying to find some Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, but can't
> find it anywhere around here. It's supposed to be a damn good drop.
It's good, a hoppy India-like pale ale. Sierra Nevada Summerfest is being
sold now (it is summertime here), and it is a very good lager.
The beers I commonly buy, in no particular order:
Boddingtons
Harp
Sierra Nevada (pale ale or summerfest, the rest I don't care for)
Palmetto (pale ale and amber ale, a local beer)
Becks (when on sale)
Heineken (always on sale)
Budweiser American Ale
Sam Adams (boston lager)
Not a wide variety, but then I used to mostly drink Busch.
My wife will sometimes come home with Dos Equis. Why, I don't know, because
I always bitch about it. Like Corona, there's no flavor to it. However,
like Bud Lite, the flavor doesn't matter so much when I've just played a
soccer game or run 12 km.
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High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> I really liked SuSE when it was its own German company. It
>> was not freeware, but the $70 US or so was well worth it,
>> especially that it came with a useful manual.
>
> It was a nice tutorial on Linux.
>
>> When 10.0 came along, I tried their Open version, then
>> decided to migrate to Debian and Ubuntu.
>
> It's one of the few things I agree with Schestowitz on.
> Novell really killed Suse.
Nope, not my reason. SuSE is still used by quite a few. It was
just personal sentiment as an opportunity to find another.
>> Yes, it is amazing how they retain a grudge with Roy Culley.
>> It is just another sign of troll lunacy.
>
> Culley by virtue of his nymshifting, and getting caught, dug
> his own grave.
> Nobody holds any grudge against him in particular.
> He was just another Linux whack job.
Nope, it was the nasty attacks on Roy.
>> Particularly amazing is Flatfish's prejudicial agenda
>> against Marti and me.
>
> I'm not prejudiced against either you or Marti.
> I don't happen to agree with your disgusting lifestyle,
Marti and I have no relationship. I am not homosexual. I do not
hate them nor do I fear them. Rather, it is your Aryan hatred
toward minorities.
> Marti in particular with his comments about how his dead
> boyfriend used to....well you get the idea...
> Sickening.
Marti has advocated Linux. Again, it is your Anti-Linux agenda
to find any dirt by gleaning other sources.
> As for you, I think you are a nut.
I could care less what you think. Someone like you who
continually nymshifts, now from Moshe to Hans is certainly not a
case for mental stability.
> Anyone who catalogs posts from God knows how many years ago
> and spews them in a discussion group has a couple of screws
> loose.
You are referring to your buddy, Snit. Nope, wrong again. List
is a collation initiated by several in comp.sys.mac.advocacy and
built on by several others since.
>> I've become very well convinced that Clogwog is nothing more
>> than a Flatfish sock, an entity that expresses its dire
>> hatred toward Linux advocates with a hate agenda.
>
> Wrong again dude.
> I have nothing to do with Clogwog.
> Absolutely nothing other than the fact that we both agree that
> you are a nut.
Clogwog and nyms only shows its ugly head when one is entangled
with you. It is not unlike you to mimic others and lie.
>> This is rather sad that one cannot express any truthful
>> opinions or experiences of Linux and FOSS without someone's
>> criminal behaviour showing up.
>
> That's the funniest thing you've said in a long time HPT.
Libel is a crime.
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Sinister Midget III
> Hans Lister wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>> I've become very well convinced that Clogwog is nothing more
>>> than a Flatfish sock, an entity that expresses its dire
>>> hatred toward Linux advocates with a hate agenda.
>>
>> Wrong again dude.
>> I have nothing to do with Clogwog.
>> Absolutely nothing other than the fact that we both agree that
>> you are a nut.
Nice admission there, Flatti. You just admitted "Hans" is Flatfart. Not
that anybody had any doubts. But it's still always nice to watch you
out yourself.
> Clogwog and nyms only shows its ugly head when one is entangled
> with you. It is not unlike you to mimic others and lie.
The only thing that's "unlike" Flatfish is sanity.
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Sinister Midget III
> Mono is in the CentOS repositories, but it's not loaded by default.
That's all Ubuntu and derivatives have to do to not lose people. But
that's not how they're proceeding.
So far I'm living with having to remove it (and I manually install
mononono to keep it away). But that's subject to change at any moment.
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DFS
> In fact, even
> though I usually use dpkg/apt I'd be delighted to put PCLOS on my Eee
> if I could get it to complete a boot without losing track of where it
> started out from.
What's with the true tales of Linux woe, Gidget - you looking for some
sympathy?
Hans. Lister
> On 200> Nice admission there, Flatti. You just admitted "Hans" is Flatfart. Not
> that anybody had any doubts. But it's still always nice to watch you
> out yourself.
You're about 4 weeks late to the party.
Hans. Lister
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Gregory Shearman belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2009-07-03, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You owe me a Sam Adams Lager....
>>>
>>> That crap! (I like it, but there are a lot off better American beers
>>> around).
>>
>> Yep. I've been trying to find some Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, but can't
>> find it anywhere around here. It's supposed to be a damn good drop.
>
> It's good, a hoppy India-like pale ale. Sierra Nevada Summerfest is being
> sold now (it is summertime here), and it is a very good lager.
It taste flat to me.
> The beers I commonly buy, in no particular order:
>
> Boddingtons
> Harp
> Sierra Nevada (pale ale or summerfest, the rest I don't care for)
> Palmetto (pale ale and amber ale, a local beer)
Never tried the above.
> Becks (when on sale)
> Heineken (always on sale)
> Budweiser American Ale
Headache city, especially in hot weather.
That first cold one does taste great though.
I like Bud Light but not regular Bud.
> Sam Adams (boston lager)
The only one I like although the Winter Lager is decent.
> Not a wide variety, but then I used to mostly drink Busch.
I used to drink MeisterBrau..yikes. I thought getting a headache
after 3 beers was normal :)
> My wife will sometimes come home with Dos Equis. Why, I don't know, because
> I always bitch about it. Like Corona, there's no flavor to it. However,
> like Bud Lite, the flavor doesn't matter so much when I've just played a
> soccer game or run 12 km.
Corona is over rated IMHO.
It also gives me a horrible hangover if I drink too much of it.
It's very popular though.
Ben
I've heard so much about this "racism" of his. I probably missed it in
my long absence from the newsgroup.
Anyone care to clue me in, please? Any links to Google archives that can
show me why people keep referring to him like this?
I'm genuinely interested here.
Thanks.
Ben
> On 2009-07-04, RonB <ronb02...@gmail.com> claimed:
>
>> Mono is in the CentOS repositories, but it's not loaded by default.
>
> That's all Ubuntu and derivatives have to do to not lose people. But
> that's not how they're proceeding.
>
> So far I'm living with having to remove it (and I manually install
> mononono to keep it away). But that's subject to change at any moment.
>
There needs to be an Ubuntu derivative which does this as its purpose
for being. Like Mint, but with balls. ie. the balls to knock mono out of
the default install.
Hans. Lister
There are a couple of openly gay people in this group and a
couple of closet dwellers.
You can't disagree with their lifestyle because you will be
called a homophobe.
It's the classic tactic used by the homosexual agenda.
It's used by the abortion movement as well BTW.
Note: it's the LIFESTYLE *NOT* the person that is disagreed
with. That's the part they seem to ignore.
As for the rasicm, quoting the CIA World Facts page gets
transposed into racism by some of these same people.
They of course have excuses for everything which is why they
have gravitated to Linux in the first place.
Ben
Homosexual agenda... Yeah... You're already sounding like a bigot.
Maybe you should just be less worried about other people's lives and be
more worried about your own? You know... That kind of makes sense. But
"disagreeing" with gay people might give you an ego boost and a boner.
Go for it!
>
> Note: it's the LIFESTYLE *NOT* the person that is disagreed
> with. That's the part they seem to ignore.
A person's choice of lifestyle and way of life makes up 75% of who they
are as a person. So yeah...
If you don't like someone being gay or whatever, stick to your own
insecure little life and don't complain about other people's "choices"
(I say "choices" because people like you tend to find any bone
whatsoever to pick at the overwhelming amount research which has shown
that it's probably not a choice).
>
> As for the rasicm, quoting the CIA World Facts page gets
> transposed into racism by some of these same people.
I'm going to wait for someone else to tell me about these incidents. The
above one was pretty clear to determine your real thoughts and ideas
from your own statements. This one, less so, so I'm willing to wait it out.
>
> They of course have excuses for everything which is why they
> have gravitated to Linux in the first place.
Wow, this all has so much to do with Linux in the first place, but I
can't resist.
Hans. Lister
I rest my case......................
You don't think the homosexual community has an agenda?
EVERY activist group has an agenda
> Maybe you should just be less worried about other people's lives and be
> more worried about your own? You know... That kind of makes sense. But
> "disagreeing" with gay people might give you an ego boost and a boner.
> Go for it!
You prove my point again.
>>
>> Note: it's the LIFESTYLE *NOT* the person that is disagreed
>> with. That's the part they seem to ignore.
>
> A person's choice of lifestyle and way of life makes up 75% of who they
> are as a person. So yeah...
Nice play on words.
Evidently you have had some practice.
> If you don't like someone being gay or whatever, stick to your own
> insecure little life and don't complain about other people's "choices"
> (I say "choices" because people like you tend to find any bone
> whatsoever to pick at the overwhelming amount research which has shown
> that it's probably not a choice).
Looks like we've got another one hiding in the closet.
Well, you *were* hiding in the closet.
You're out in the open now !
>
>> As for the rasicm, quoting the CIA World Facts page gets
>> transposed into racism by some of these same people.
>
> I'm going to wait for someone else to tell me about these incidents. The
> above one was pretty clear to determine your real thoughts and ideas
> from your own statements. This one, less so, so I'm willing to wait it out.
Ahh yes, "Ben".
I played your little game, to which you already knew the answers
you would get and as usual I have won again.
> Wow, this all has so much to do with Linux in the first place, but I
> can't resist.
Resist what?
Nym shifting?
Ben
Because anyone who stands up for someone else is automatically gay?
Yeah, that's how it works. Prove your point by flinging dirt.
>
>>> As for the rasicm, quoting the CIA World Facts page gets
>>> transposed into racism by some of these same people.
>> I'm going to wait for someone else to tell me about these incidents. The
>> above one was pretty clear to determine your real thoughts and ideas
>> from your own statements. This one, less so, so I'm willing to wait it out.
>
> Ahh yes, "Ben".
>
> I played your little game, to which you already knew the answers
> you would get and as usual I have won again.
>
You think you've won? You're the one flinging dirt and not addressing my
remarks or rebutting them. Just flinging dirt because you have no real
argument against what I've said.
>
>
>
>> Wow, this all has so much to do with Linux in the first place, but I
>> can't resist.
>
> Resist what?
> Nym shifting?
No.
Hans. Lister
Of course not.
However, when a person poses the question knowing full well the
response he is going to receive, "Ben" , because he knows this
group and the people in it "Ben" , and then he goes on the
offense directly proving the other persons POV, then one has to
question the motives of the OP.
You proved my point.
I said I don't agree with the lifestyle but that I have no
problem with the people.
You immediately followed the homosexual's handbook by attacking
me as a homophobe.
>>
>>>> As for the rasicm, quoting the CIA World Facts page gets
>>>> transposed into racism by some of these same people.
>>> I'm going to wait for someone else to tell me about these incidents. The
>>> above one was pretty clear to determine your real thoughts and ideas
>>> from your own statements. This one, less so, so I'm willing to wait it out.
>>
>> Ahh yes, "Ben".
>>
>> I played your little game, to which you already knew the answers
>> you would get and as usual I have won again.
>>
>
> You think you've won? You're the one flinging dirt and not addressing my
> remarks or rebutting them. Just flinging dirt because you have no real
> argument against what I've said.
I addressed your remarks in the first reply.
You started the mud slinging.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Wow, this all has so much to do with Linux in the first place, but I
>>> can't resist.
>>
>> Resist what?
>> Nym shifting?
>
> No.
Doubtful...
Ben
So what're your bounds exactly? "I don't mind gays as long as they don't
look twice at my children"? That's usually something like what the
statement "I don't have anything against gays, just the lifestyle"
really means when decoded.
>
>
>>>>> As for the rasicm, quoting the CIA World Facts page gets
>>>>> transposed into racism by some of these same people.
>>>> I'm going to wait for someone else to tell me about these incidents. The
>>>> above one was pretty clear to determine your real thoughts and ideas
>>>> from your own statements. This one, less so, so I'm willing to wait it out.
>>> Ahh yes, "Ben".
>>>
>>> I played your little game, to which you already knew the answers
>>> you would get and as usual I have won again.
>>>
>> You think you've won? You're the one flinging dirt and not addressing my
>> remarks or rebutting them. Just flinging dirt because you have no real
>> argument against what I've said.
>
> I addressed your remarks in the first reply.
> You started the mud slinging.
No, you assumed there's some mass organised "gay agenda" and the gay
community is a monolithic entity.
Logan Rathbone
> [snip]
>
> You can't disagree with their lifestyle because you will be called a
> homophobe.
>
> [snip]
>
> Note: it's the LIFESTYLE *NOT* the person that is disagreed with. That's
> the part they seem to ignore.
>
> [snip]
These words mean almost nothing to me. The question I ask you is this:
do you believe that two consenting gay adults have the right to practise
the lifestyles they practise.
I don't give a flying fuck about what you agree or disagree with, only on
how you might impose those views on others.