pronounce LINUX correctly !
VanPopering
How to pronounce LINUX correctly (and not sound like a jerk) with PROOF.
Right --> L-eye-nix
Wrong --> Lih-nix
Proof:
1. If a vowel (a,e,I,o,u) is followed by ONE consonant (n) is
pronounced as a LONG vowel (eye)
2. If a vowel (a,e,I,o,u) is followed by two consonants, it is
pronounced as a SHORT vowel (ih)
Linux would be pronounced as L-ih-nix if it were spelled Linnix.
Linux IS pronounced as L-EYE-NIX since there is only one N.
Some of you have downloaded the sound bite or Linus Torvalds pronouncing
Linux. In his country, they also follow the SAME rules for pronunciation
as we do. Thus letter I is pronounced as a LONG vowel EE.
Linus says LEE-NOOKS.
So, you have 3 choices:
1. Say it as he does: LEE-Nooks.
2. Follow the SAME rules but apply the English version: L-EYE-NIX
3. Be an idot and say: Lih-nix.
The educated people of the world say L-EYE-NIX.
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Steve Mize
Roy Stogner
On 23 Jan 1998 17:38:41 GMT, VanPopering <dvan...@newshost.li.net> wrote:
>Right --> L-eye-nix
>Wrong --> Lih-nix
>1. If a vowel (a,e,I,o,u) is followed by ONE consonant (n) is
>pronounced as a LONG vowel (eye)
>
>2. If a vowel (a,e,I,o,u) is followed by two consonants, it is
>pronounced as a SHORT vowel (ih)
>
>Linux would be pronounced as L-ih-nix if it were spelled Linnix.
>Linux IS pronounced as L-EYE-NIX since there is only one N.
So by your rule, how would "idiot" be pronounced?
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Brian Kimball
Steve Mize wrote:
>
> Lih-nux.
>
> Get over it.
Agreed. Even Linus' sound file sounds more like Lih-nux than lee-nux.
brian
Zachary P. Taylor
Justin K. Ream
VanPopering wrote:
>
> How to pronounce LINUX correctly (and not sound like a jerk) with PROOF.
>
>
> Wrong --> Lih-nix
You must be really anal.
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Matthew Weigel
VanPopering (dvan...@newshost.li.net) wrote:
: How to pronounce LINUX correctly (and not sound like a jerk) with PROOF.
: Right --> L-eye-nix
: Wrong --> Lih-nix
wrong.
: Proof:
: 1. If a vowel (a,e,I,o,u) is followed by ONE consonant (n) is
: pronounced as a LONG vowel (eye)
Top. Red. Stupid.
However, following this rule, you should pronounce Linux as. . .
L-EYE-NOOKS. *Not* L-EYE-NIX.
Which brings up an interesting point: why some people say 'Linux'
like Lihnux:
Americans have wimpy tongues. Deal with it. You certainly exemplify
it, not being willing to apply your little rule to an extra syllable
in order to be consistent.
: 2. If a vowel (a,e,I,o,u) is followed by two consonants, it is
: pronounced as a SHORT vowel (ih)
Marry.
: Linux would be pronounced as L-ih-nix if it were spelled Linnix.
: Linux IS pronounced as L-EYE-NIX since there is only one N.
: Linus says LEE-NOOKS.
: The educated people of the world say L-EYE-NIX.
: http://www.32bitsonine.com/games
: David van Popering
The real reason that L-EYE-NIX is more correct is because it's the way
we say "Linus," which it is based on. Linus says Leenooks because that
is the way *his* name is pronounced.
Please don't resort to trying to educate the masses in proper English,
there is no such thing here in America (and if you want to talk about
British English, take a gander at cockneye :).
There was a reason it was suggested, and your claims have nothing to
do with it. Consistent users of pronunciation should say LEYENIX.
But we aren't consistent users of pronunciation here in America.
Matthew Weigel
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Steve Mading
Brian Kimball (or...@pobox.com) wrote:
: Steve Mize wrote:
: >
: > Lih-nux.
: >
: > Get over it.
: Agreed. Even Linus' sound file sounds more like Lih-nux than lee-nux.
Man, this is anal.
Actually, every time I hear the sound file, the end of the word
sounds like an "S", not an "X" - so it sounds like "LeeNoos" It
sounds exactly like he pronounces his name - I can't hear the
difference at the end at all.
Boy, what a thought-provoking topic.
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It's rather odd that you would associate pronounciation with intelligence.
So who are the idiots? New York, or the rest of the United States?
Britian, or the United States?
My own personal definition of an idiot is someone that is unable to do
simple day to day tasks without assistance due to lack of intelligence.
If you take some time to read up prior to the word spellings and
definitions of Webster's Collegiate(sp) Dictionary, you will find that
they state that a dictionaries purpose is to provide a guide to how people
speak, and one that uses a dictionary to "prove" what something means has
entirely missed the boat on language. It seems that for some "strange"
reason, language changes and evolves over time.
> How to pronounce LINUX correctly (and not sound like a jerk) with PROOF.
> Right --> L-eye-nix
> Wrong --> Lih-nix
>
> 1. Say it as he does: LEE-Nooks.
> 2. Follow the SAME rules but apply the English version: L-EYE-NIX
> 3. Be an idot and say: Lih-nix.
> The educated people of the world say L-EYE-NIX.
We have very few uneducated people in America. Our Literacy rate is in the
90's, and it is required by law that one attends school until age 16. The
American populace typically reads at a 9th grade level.
Perhaps you meant "highly educated"?
Incidentally, I was raised in Virginia, which has a dialect that tends to
soften i's,g's and expecialling 'ing' endings. Your aren't "going" to the
store. You are "goin".
In Britian, they pronounce aunt as "on-nt". We say "ant". Some say harrass
as "ha-ras", others as "hA-res".
While we do have a "Universal" spelling for the English language, we do
not have a Universal pronounciation.
Things get even worse. Typically, proper nouns get pronounced as they
would in the original language, rather than as they are spelled. So if you
are to stick to your authortarian(sp) rules of pronounciation, I suggest
you stick with Linus' pronounciation
By the way, I say "lihn-icks" myself, as that's how it's pronounced by
others that I speak to in this area.
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Frank Linn
In article <6aakj1$k55$2...@news01.li.net>, dvan...@newshost.li.net
(VanPopering) wrote:
> Linux would be pronounced as L-ih-nix if it were spelled Linnix.
> --
> David van Popering
> dvan...@suffolk.lib.ny.us
Thanks for the tip. Next time an OS gets named after me, everyone will
know how to pronounce it.
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Tracy R Reed
Frank Linn <news+nosp...@fdlinn.vip.best.com> wrote:
>Thanks for the tip. Next time an OS gets named after me, everyone will
>know how to pronounce it.
Yeah...FRONK. :)
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David J. Fred
In article <6aakj1$k55$2...@news01.li.net>,
VanPopering <dvan...@newshost.li.net> wrote:
>How to pronounce LINUX correctly (and not sound like a jerk) with PROOF.
>
>Right --> L-eye-nix
>
>Wrong --> Lih-nix
Uh, except I thought that "Linux" is supposed to be a pun on Minix
thus it is most reasonably pronounced with a short 'i' to rhyme with
Minix. I just see it as a continuation the whole joke-based naming
scheme which started with the Multics/UNIX joke so long ago.
Though it doesn't really matter, does it? People will generally know
what you're talking about whichever way you pronounce it. I think
there are enough nationalities involved in the development effort that
pretty much any pronunciation could be justified using "local"
conventions.
Now, if you want to argue about how Minix is supposed to be pronounced
based on your rules... ;-) ;-)
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Mike Hamrick
Although Linus may pronounce Linux "Lee-nooks" I think a lot of
us would feel pretty silly pronouncing it that way. I think
that "Lin-ucks" is a good compromise. Here in Seattle, WA
"Lin-ucks" seems to be pretty common, but I imagine in other
parts of the US "Line-ucks" is more popular.
There is probably no one "correct" way to prononuce it.
mikeh
George
>The educated people of the world say L-EYE-NIX.
you just forgot that there ARE other languages then english ...
and english does have a messed up way of pronouncing words ... in czech you
pronounce it as you read it ... which is in this case LINUX ... :) ...
for those that can't read in czech ... it sounds just like the way Linus
says it ...
on a second point ... who gives a crap ... if americans want to pronounce
it any way they like ... let em ... but by the level of education in
america .. I wouldn't judge how educated people pronounce it ...
educated people of the world pronounce linux any way they damn please ...
also educated people of the world have realized that english is not the
only language in the world ...
George
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy Mike Hamrick <mi...@speakeasy.org> wrote:
: Although Linus may pronounce Linux "Lee-nooks" I think a lot of
: us would feel pretty silly pronouncing it that way. I think
: that "Lin-ucks" is a good compromise. Here in Seattle, WA
: "Lin-ucks" seems to be pretty common, but I imagine in other
: parts of the US "Line-ucks" is more popular.
I wonder if he'd pronounce it "Mih-crosoft" As in Mickeysoft. :-)
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Let this thread die now!!!! I don't want to be reading about how you
pronounce it for the next six months! Geez, one of the few things I like
better about Windows is that everyone agrees on how it is pronounced:
WINE-DOZE!
Steve Mize
>Thanks for the tip. Next time an OS gets named after me, everyone will
>know how to pronounce it.
Linnux or Franknix?
John Hink
Brian Kimball wrote:
> Steve Mize wrote:
> >
> > Lih-nux.
> >
> > Get over it.
>
> Agreed. Even Linus' sound file sounds more like Lih-nux than lee-nux.
>
> brian
>
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Hey, I figgure, it's GPL, you can modify it anyway you want to, leenux
lihnux, linuX, lonix, lunix, lalaix, .... you just have to make the
source available, ie, writing it like LINUX!!!! (exclmations are required
because it's sooooo cool:) ), ok maybe not heh.
Ah well, pronounce it any way you want to because, well, as I say, you
can :)
How's that for a solution?
Wade Masshardt
>Lih-nux.
>
>Get over it.
I'm new here, but I thought that the important part was that we are
running Linux, vs running some other OS, not how we pronounced it.
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> In article <34c8d9f0...@news.uwec.edu>, skys...@nospam.hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >Lih-nux.
> >
> >Get over it.
>
I thought I read somewhere that Linus said it was pronounced
'Buttafuoco' ?
Scott Wood
On 23 Jan 1998 19:48:20 GMT, Matthew Weigel
<mrr...@rn79767.z.resnet.pitt.edu> wrote:
>VanPopering (dvan...@newshost.li.net) wrote:
>: 1. If a vowel (a,e,I,o,u) is followed by ONE consonant (n) is
>: pronounced as a LONG vowel (eye)
>
>Top. Red. Stupid.
That rule doesn't apply at the end of a word, and although VanPopering
didn't say that, it really didn't apply to the situation.
Top and Red are both monosyllabic, so the rule doesn't apply.
Stupid _is_ pronounced with a long 'u'.
A single vowel followed by a single consonant at the end of a word is
short.
>: 2. If a vowel (a,e,I,o,u) is followed by two consonants, it is
>: pronounced as a SHORT vowel (ih)
>
>Marry.
The 'a' in marry _is_ short. Now, if you had said "Mary", that _would_
be an exception to the rule. English is, however, full of exceptions
to its own rules, so one should expect this.
>Please don't resort to trying to educate the masses in proper English,
>there is no such thing here in America
There is; it's too bad nobody speaks it. :-)
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mike
Nearly the entire rest of the world pronounces Linus as Leenus ergo
leenux
if was joseix written by jose sepulveda would you call it joesix using
the english pronunciation rules?
James Blackwell wrote:
>
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> It's rather odd that you would associate pronounciation with intelligence.
> So who are the idiots? New York, or the rest of the United States?
> Britian, or the United States?
>
> My own personal definition of an idiot is someone that is unable to do
> simple day to day tasks without assistance due to lack of intelligence.
>
> If you take some time to read up prior to the word spellings and
> definitions of Webster's Collegiate(sp) Dictionary, you will find that
> they state that a dictionaries purpose is to provide a guide to how people
> speak, and one that uses a dictionary to "prove" what something means has
> entirely missed the boat on language. It seems that for some "strange"
> reason, language changes and evolves over time.
>
> > How to pronounce LINUX correctly (and not sound like a jerk) with PROOF.
> > Right --> L-eye-nix
> > Wrong --> Lih-nix
> >
> > 1. Say it as he does: LEE-Nooks.
> > 2. Follow the SAME rules but apply the English version: L-EYE-NIX
> > 3. Be an idot and say: Lih-nix.
> > The educated people of the world say L-EYE-NIX.
>
Kenneth R. Kinder
I think it should be pernounced how the author pernounced it. Without the
accent, it would be lih-nux.
In comp.os.linux.advocacy , article <6aakj1$k55$2...@news01.li.net> , VanPopering <dvan...@newshost.li.net> wrote:
> How to pronounce LINUX correctly (and not sound like a jerk) with PROOF.
> Right --> L-eye-nix
> Wrong --> Lih-nix
> Proof:
> 1. If a vowel (a,e,I,o,u) is followed by ONE consonant (n) is
> pronounced as a LONG vowel (eye)
> 2. If a vowel (a,e,I,o,u) is followed by two consonants, it is
> pronounced as a SHORT vowel (ih)
> Linux would be pronounced as L-ih-nix if it were spelled Linnix.
> Linux IS pronounced as L-EYE-NIX since there is only one N.
> Some of you have downloaded the sound bite or Linus Torvalds pronouncing
> Linux. In his country, they also follow the SAME rules for pronunciation
> as we do. Thus letter I is pronounced as a LONG vowel EE.
> Linus says LEE-NOOKS.
> So, you have 3 choices:
> 1. Say it as he does: LEE-Nooks.
> 2. Follow the SAME rules but apply the English version: L-EYE-NIX
> 3. Be an idot and say: Lih-nix.
> The educated people of the world say L-EYE-NIX.
> http://www.32bitsonine.com/games
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> David van Popering
> dvan...@suffolk.lib.ny.us
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Scott Wood <mas...@darkflame.ml.org> wrote:
>>: 1. If a vowel (a,e,I,o,u) is followed by ONE consonant (n) is
>>
>
>That rule doesn't apply at the end of a word, and although VanPopering
>didn't say that, it really didn't apply to the situation.
>
>Top and Red are both monosyllabic, so the rule doesn't apply.
>Stupid _is_ pronounced with a long 'u'.
>
>A single vowel followed by a single consonant at the end of a word is
>short.
"frigid"
"fraternity"
"masturbatory"
I don't think it would be too hard to come up with a sentence that consists
entirely of exceptions to this alleged rule. Just don't use too many of my
example words--that would be one disgusting sentence. :-)
--Tim Smith
George
>Of course... as I said in my last post, the English language isn't one
>to stick to its own rules. However, in most cases the pronunciation is
>as I stated. The fact that many things in English are pronounced as
>they were in whatever language we stole the word from tends to
>complicate things...
meaning .. Linux is a finnish word ... and as such should be pronounced
as they do in finland ...
or be pronounced however we want to ... how can you apply english rules
to a word that was not made up in english ...
Scott Wood
On 25 Jan 1998 19:42:29 -0800, Tim Smith <t...@halcyon.com> wrote:
>Scott Wood <mas...@darkflame.ml.org> wrote:
>>Matthew Weigel wrote:
>>>VanPopering wrote:
>>>: 1. If a vowel (a,e,I,o,u) is followed by ONE consonant (n) is
>>>: pronounced as a LONG vowel (eye)
>>>
>>>Top. Red. Stupid.
>>
>>A single vowel followed by a single consonant at the end of a word is
>>short.
>
>"frigid"
>"fraternity"
>"masturbatory"
>
>I don't think it would be too hard to come up with a sentence that
>consists entirely of exceptions to this alleged rule.
Of course... as I said in my last post, the English language isn't one
to stick to its own rules. However, in most cases the pronunciation is
as I stated. The fact that many things in English are pronounced as
they were in whatever language we stole the word from tends to
complicate things...
>Just don't use too many of my example words--that would be one
>disgusting sentence. :-)
Disgusting, maybe. Humorous, definately. =]
Scott Wood
On 26 Jan 1998 10:07:46 GMT, George <ji...@julia.5z.com> wrote:
>Scott Wood wrote:
>>The fact that many things in English are pronounced as
>>they were in whatever language we stole the word from tends to
>>complicate things...
>
>as they do in finland ...
I said many things, not all.
>or be pronounced however we want to ... how can you apply english rules
>to a word that was not made up in english ...
Because it is being said in the context of an English sentence? I
agree that it should probably be pronounced as it is in Finnish, but
the common pronounciation "Linnux" has no basis in either the original
Finnish pronounciation, English pronounciation rules, or the English
pronounciation of the name "Linus".
forgeltd
There is a 'linux.au' file on sunsite.unc.edu/linux/ ( I don't remember
the full path ). It's Linus Turvalds telling us how to pronounce Linux.
Anyone who doesn't like his pronunciation can compile her own and
post it to sunsite under the GPL.
BTW : Hitler started WW2 and killed millions of jews.
( I have herd that this should kill a thread and declare the one who
uttered it the loser ... so, DIE )
>On 23 Jan 1998 19:48:20 GMT, Matthew Weigel
><mrr...@rn79767.z.resnet.pitt.edu> wrote:
>
>>VanPopering (dvan...@newshost.li.net) wrote:
>>: 1. If a vowel (a,e,I,o,u) is followed by ONE consonant (n) is
>>: pronounced as a LONG vowel (eye)
>>
>>Top. Red. Stupid.
>
>That rule doesn't apply at the end of a word, and although VanPopering
>didn't say that, it really didn't apply to the situation.
>
>Top and Red are both monosyllabic, so the rule doesn't apply.
>Stupid _is_ pronounced with a long 'u'.
>
>A single vowel followed by a single consonant at the end of a word is
>short.
>
>>: 2. If a vowel (a,e,I,o,u) is followed by two consonants, it is
>>: pronounced as a SHORT vowel (ih)
>>
>>Marry.
>
>The 'a' in marry _is_ short. Now, if you had said "Mary", that _would_
>be an exception to the rule. English is, however, full of exceptions
>to its own rules, so one should expect this.
>
>>Please don't resort to trying to educate the masses in proper English,
>>there is no such thing here in America
>
>There is; it's too bad nobody speaks it. :-)
>
Borko Jandras
On 23 Jan 1998 16:14:50 -0500, David J. Fred <dj...@iic.net> wrote:
> Now, if you want to argue about how Minix is supposed to be pronounced
> based on your rules... ;-) ;-)
How about Mine-x :)
Anyway, names should be pronounced like they are in the "original" language.
So, when I pronounce the name 'James', I do it the way it's pronounced in
English.
There is one exception: when I pronounce the name 'Bill Gate$', I usually
prefix it with some words on the local language. Words 'mother', 'love' and
'dog' are included.
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The Thought Assassin
George <ji...@julia.5z.com> wrote:
> meaning .. Linux is a finnish word ... and as such should be pronounced
> as they do in finland ...
It gets worse: Linus speaks Swedish, not Finnish:)
(well, actually he speaks both)
Can we perhaps just let people pronounce it however they want to???
-Greg
us...@rot13.nowhere.org
Borko Jandras (bjan...@jagor.srce.hr) wrote:
: Anyway, names should be pronounced like they are in the "original" language.
Nah. English-speakers visit Paris, Rome, and Jerusalem, not
Paree, Roma, and Yerushalayim. To give them their native
pronounciation when speaning an English sentence is just
pretentious. Only posers do it. (Poseurs. Whatever.)
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The Thought Assassin wrote:
>
> George <ji...@julia.5z.com> wrote:
> > meaning .. Linux is a finnish word ... and as such should be pronounced
> > as they do in finland ...
>
> It gets worse: Linus speaks Swedish, not Finnish:)
> (well, actually he speaks both)
His mother tongue is Swedish, though. And they don't have the same rules
as English (more like German rules, at least for Linux it's almost the
same, the i is a tiny bit shorter).
> Can we perhaps just let people pronounce it however they want to???
Yeah. Especially the foreign language challanged. Nobody should
discriminated by her/his abilities.
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Wade Masshardt
In article <6al6cu$sac$1...@yeppa.connect.com.au>, The Thought Assassin
<assa...@sleepless.south.networx.net.au> wrote:
>George <ji...@julia.5z.com> wrote:
>> meaning .. Linux is a finnish word ... and as such should be pronounced
>> as they do in finland ...
>
>It gets worse: Linus speaks Swedish, not Finnish:)
>(well, actually he speaks both)
>
>Can we perhaps just let people pronounce it however they want to???
The real question is how would a penguin, specifically Tux, pronounce it?
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Borko Jandras (bjan...@jagor.srce.hr) wrote:
: Anyway, names should be pronounced like they are in the "original" language.
: So, when I pronounce the name 'James', I do it the way it's pronounced in
: English.
What about Jaime? Which is correct, huh? :)
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Scott Wood (mas...@darkflame.ml.org) wrote:
: >Top. Red. Stupid.
: That rule doesn't apply at the end of a word, and although VanPopering
: didn't say that, it really didn't apply to the situation.
: Top and Red are both monosyllabic, so the rule doesn't apply.
: Stupid _is_ pronounced with a long 'u'.
: A single vowel followed by a single consonant at the end of a word is
: short.
Blah. First of all, I was attempting to show VanPopering that his claims to
knowledge of correct English were flawed. My second goal there was to point
out that there are sufficient exceptions to reduce any basis he had for
claiming it has to be L-eye-nux.
We've had this discussion before, Scott, and if you don't behave I'm gonna
hafta whip out my "OS/2 is better than Linux, no matter how you pronounce
it" argument :)
As some examples, how do you pronounce science? How do pronounce
Omniscience? Or potent and omnipotent? Lingual derivatives don't
*necessarily* maintain the pronunciation of their parent word. I wasn't
going to toss any credentials around, but my Mum got a BA in Linguistics,
and darnit she knows what she's talking about! :-)
: >: 2. If a vowel (a,e,I,o,u) is followed by two consonants, it is
: >: pronounced as a SHORT vowel (ih)
: >
: >Marry.
: The 'a' in marry _is_ short. Now, if you had said "Mary", that _would_
: be an exception to the rule. English is, however, full of exceptions
: to its own rules, so one should expect this.
Marry is a long a. "Patty" has a short a. BZZZZZZT!
: >Please don't resort to trying to educate the masses in proper English,
: >there is no such thing here in America
: There is; it's too bad nobody speaks it. :-)
I disagree. It doesn't exist *here*, and if it did, the poor fools who
spoke it would be beaten for being Roast Beef ;)
Bernd Paysan
Wade Masshardt wrote:
> The real question is how would a penguin, specifically Tux, pronounce it?
"Kroahkroahk" or so, I suppose.