The Prescott Computer Guy for all your computer needs

[Andy Rains]

Many satisfied clients. This one is hilarious.

http://www.merchantcircle.com/prescott-computer-guy1-prescott-az

"Helped me with my janitorial business"

"I use a Linux program called Sewer Gas 9.1 to mange my janitorial
business and after a power failure the program crapped out on me. The
Prescott Computer Guy dove right in like a skin diver and worked through
the muck to find the problem which was kernels stuck in my compiler. I
can't say enough good about The Prescott Computer Guy. William Poaster.

By williampoaster September 01, 2016 at 06:35 PM"

[Andy Rains]

Demonstrates the level that the herd will sink to.
It's not even funny.

[Snit]

On 9/2/16, 3:11 PM, in article nqcteu$v83$1...@dont-email.me, "Andy Rains"

Yes... they actively work to hurt people. It is insane.


--
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* OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

[Desk Rabbit]

They cannot advocate Linux so resort to attacking the messenger. I'm
surprised they find the time to do this what with having to constantly
fiddle with their desktop OS.

[Peter Köhlmann]

And naturally Desk Snit Rabbit has nothing better to do than sucking up to
the dishonest lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser.

After all, you dimbest bulb knowe absolutely nothing about linux, and the
one constantly fiddling with his Toy-OS is you. Your Toys-R-Us windows lies
flat on its face every few weeks after the next malware attack, and then you
have the gall to deny that a lot of your "computing time" is spent reparing
that shite "OS" to be able to use it as game starter again

[William Poaster]

On 8/9/2016 11:21 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, Peter Köhlmann posted:

> Desk Rabbit wrote:
>
>> On 02/09/2016 23:11, Andy Rains wrote:
>>> On 9/2/2016 1:59 PM, Andy Rains wrote:
>>>> Many satisfied clients. This one is hilarious.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.merchantcircle.com/prescott-computer-guy1-prescott-az
>>>>
>>>> "Helped me with my janitorial business"
>>>>
>>>> "I use a Linux program called Sewer Gas 9.1 to mange my janitorial
>>>> business and after a power failure the program crapped out on me. The
>>>> Prescott Computer Guy dove right in like a skin diver and worked through
>>>> the muck to find the problem which was kernels stuck in my compiler. I
>>>> can't say enough good about The Prescott Computer Guy. William Poaster.
>>>>
>>>> By williampoaster September 01, 2016 at 06:35 PM"
>>>
>>> Demonstrates the level that the herd will sink to.
>>> It's not even funny.
>>
>> They cannot advocate Linux so resort to attacking the messenger. I'm
>> surprised they find the time to do this what with having to constantly
>> fiddle with their desktop OS.

> And naturally Desk Snit Rabbit has nothing better to do than sucking up to
> the dishonest lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser.

Well naturally. HE's amoron, what else did you expect.

> After all, you dimbest bulb knowe absolutely nothing about linux, and the
> one constantly fiddling with his Toy-OS is you. Your Toys-R-Us windows lies
> flat on its face every few weeks after the next malware attack, and then you
> have the gall to deny that a lot of your "computing time" is spent reparing
> that shite "OS" to be able to use it as game starter again

As I've said before, I didn't post that "review". I wouldn't be
surprised if it was put there by "Andy flatfish Rains", or one of the
other trolling fuckwits in here. So "the level that the herd will sink
to" is just about the level of the childish trolls, like DumbRabbit,
Flatfish, etc.

--
If your primary interest in computing is downloading music for your
whatever, or playing games, you belong in the cattle pen Mr Gates built.

Windows is specifically designed for people who don't understand
computing and don't want to be bothered.

[Octavian W. Lagrange]

I use Linux precisely because I don't like having to constantly fiddle
with my desktop OS. I bought my wife a Windows laptop a couple years
ago so she wouldn't constantly be bugging me to "look something up"
for her. That thing gets booted maybe once every three months, at best.
It literally sits there collecting dust. The wife mostly still has me
"look something up" for her or else logs in to her own account on this
Linux machine.

Microsoft is dying. It might take a while before they disappear completely,
but it's over for them. Has been for years now.

[Octavian W. Lagrange]

A complete computer newbie friend of mine in his sixties would bring his
laptop over to my house practically every three weeks to "fix" it for him.
(Amounted to running an anti-malware update/clean of the system). I finally
just installed debian on the thing and showed him the basics of using the
GUI. It's been over a year since he called me with a "computer problem."
I ask him periodically how it's working, and he always says, "It's working
great -- no problems." I'm still going to go over and get it up to date
one of these days.

[Marek Novotny]

+1

--
Marek Novotny
https://github.com/marek-novotny

[Silver Slimer]

With the "new" hack which has just been reported on many mainsteam tech
sites and which is almost advertised on shows like Mr. Robot, it truly
is a matter of time before more people are tempted to abandon Windows...
I agree with that. After reading what I did and watching the video of
the credential theft in action, I'm more tempted than ever to abandon
the operating system myself.


--
Silver Slimer

[William Poaster]

On 8/9/2016 13:06 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, Marek Novotny posted:

+2

[chrisv]

William Poaster wrote:

> As I've said before, I didn't post that "review".

Surely you don't think that the assholes who troll in here require the
truth to be on their side, before they attack us...

--
"Droid phones and tablets themselves are essentially products that are
purchased by life's losers who cannot afford an iPhone or iPad." -
Rat

[chrisv]

> "owl" wrote:

>>
>> Desk Retard wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm surprised they find the time to do this what with having to
>>> constantly fiddle with their desktop OS.
>>
>> I use Linux precisely because I don't like having to constantly fiddle
>> with my desktop OS.

In the up-is-down, lies-are-truth world of a Linux hater, Windows
requires less maintenance than GNU/Linux.

>> Microsoft is dying. It might take a while before they disappear completely,
>> but it's over for them. Has been for years now.

They are circling the drain. Sucks to be a Wintroll, these days.

--
"You see 0.3 to 0.6 as a serious threat to a company who has more than
90% of the market as a threat? FFS. Get real." - "True Linux
advocate" Hadron Quark

[William Poaster]

On 8/9/2016 13:26 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, chrisv posted:

> William Poaster wrote:
>
>> As I've said before, I didn't post that "review".
>
> Surely you don't think that the assholes who troll in here require the
> truth to be on their side, before they attack us...

Nope. If they did, they wouldn't be trolls, would they. They just make
up shit, probably scrape if from their basement/trailer floor, & fling
it.

[Silver Slimer]

On 2016-09-08 8:33 AM, chrisv wrote:
>> "owl" wrote:
>>>
>>> Desk Retard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm surprised they find the time to do this what with having to
>>>> constantly fiddle with their desktop OS.
>>>
>>> I use Linux precisely because I don't like having to constantly fiddle
>>> with my desktop OS.
>
> In the up-is-down, lies-are-truth world of a Linux hater, Windows
> requires less maintenance than GNU/Linux.

To be honest, the only maintenance that is strongly recommended to be
done in the Windows world is to delete the temporary files. It's
striking how drastically the performance changes after this is done.
Even cleaning the registry doesn't have as much of an effect. In Linux
though, there was be left-over packages which are not automatically
removed. They tend to take little space but they're there, especially in
distributions which don't have a cleanup option like Debian-based
distributions do. Of course, maybe I'm just not aware of them too.
Please inform me of what can be used other than BleachBit.

--
Silver Slimer

[Desk Rabbit]

Utter nonsense, my Windows 7 desktop system has been up and running for
42 days, I was away on holiday last week and didn't bother to shut it
down, when I came back on Monday it was ready to go as soon as I moved
the mouse.

The entire business has not had a malware infestation in years and
neither have our customers, well at least the ones who follow our advice
and once they have a problem they soon fall into line and see sense.

As for Linux, my personal email and web site is hosted on a Linux
machine which I just moved from Elastic hosts to Azure yesterday without
any issues. We run about a dozen or more Linux servers for our clients
for various purposes from FTP servers, through to Ticketing systems.

I've probably got far more hands on experience on a wider range of real
world systems than your little home development setup.

[Desk Rabbit]

Which is a prime example that for simple use cases such as web browsing
and POP3/IMAP email a Linux Desktop system works well.

[Desk Rabbit]

The language used in those reviews is far more of the childish "pee pee"
style humour used by you and your ilk.

[DFS]

On 9/8/2016 6:53 AM, Octavian W. Lagrange wrote:


> Microsoft is dying. It might take a while before they disappear completely,
> but it's over for them. Has been for years now.

Not "dying". "Doomed".

Get the idiocy right!

[Desk Rabbit]

What nonsense. That "dying" company just opened two new datacentres in
the UK. How many have RedHat or any other Linux distros opened
datacentres in the last 5 years?

[Desk Rabbit]

On 08/09/2016 13:33, chrisv wrote:
>> "owl" wrote:
>>>
>>> Desk Retard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm surprised they find the time to do this what with having to
>>>> constantly fiddle with their desktop OS.
>>>
>>> I use Linux precisely because I don't like having to constantly fiddle
>>> with my desktop OS.
>
> In the up-is-down, lies-are-truth world of a Linux hater, Windows
> requires less maintenance than GNU/Linux.

As a Linux and Microsoft server admin I can say they are about the same.

>
>>> Microsoft is dying. It might take a while before they disappear completely,
>>> but it's over for them. Has been for years now.
>
> They are circling the drain. Sucks to be a Wintroll, these days.
>

Exactly the opposite, dying companies don't open 2 new datacentres in
the UK. They announced last November-ish and they are up and running
today. Their Azure business is flying high and the joke is seeing Linux
servers running and relying on a Windows virtulization platform.

[Desk Rabbit]

Cleaning the temporary files is a standard function of the monitoring
software we use. When we on-board a client they often comment how much
more stable and faster their workstations are.

[DFS]

On 9/8/2016 8:33 AM, shitvv wrote:

>> "owl" wrote:
>
>>> Microsoft is dying. It might take a while before they disappear completely,
>>> but it's over for them. Has been for years now.
>
> They are circling the drain. Sucks to be a Wintroll, these days.

Nearly $100B in annual revenue, and they're "dying" and "circling the
drain"?

Why are you cola morons such ridiculous idiots?

[Octavian W. Lagrange]

Even funnier...
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report/?url=www.microsoft.com
<quote>
OS
Linux
</quote>

[Peter Köhlmann]

See? You are unable to see that your shitty preferred "OS" is just that,
shitty. Your problem is that you are so abjectly stupid that you need a
little sister to do anything beyond clicking on brightly colored icons, so
you are completely unable to change to anything else

[Octavian W. Lagrange]

I don't have many datacenters on my desktop.

BTW, I wonder if millennials have heard of Microsoft.
OMG, it looks like they have.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/07/08/microsoft-millennial-recruitment-email_n_10898110.html

[Octavian W. Lagrange]

This is COLA, not GLP, wheretard.

[DFS]

GLP?

[Steve Carroll]

LOL! Talk about Snit level delusion! The idea that "the joke" is on Linux is so far removed from the reality of *why* MS is doing stuff like this that words can't express it. MS is losing desktop to cloud, just look at their revenue, cloud grows, desktop (and phone?) shrinks. Another of their fears is the development community and losing more ground there. They can probably dominate the enterprise cloud for a good long while but it may end there if their plans don't work.

[Marek Novotny]

On 2016-09-08, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> "owl" wrote:
>>>
>>> Desk Retard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm surprised they find the time to do this what with having to
>>>> constantly fiddle with their desktop OS.
>>>
>>> I use Linux precisely because I don't like having to constantly fiddle
>>> with my desktop OS.
>
> In the up-is-down, lies-are-truth world of a Linux hater, Windows
> requires less maintenance than GNU/Linux.

Yeah, I have said since I started in Linux that I felt and continue to
feel that Linux is far easier. Someone at my office just showed me how
your Windows box is sharing your downloaded patches with the internet.
Wonder how long that will take to hack...

So now that commercial software is using their customer's machine as a
torrent without ever asking you.

>>> Microsoft is dying. It might take a while before they disappear completely,
>>> but it's over for them. Has been for years now.
>
> They are circling the drain. Sucks to be a Wintroll, these days.

That's why they are in here. Scared shitless and want someone to yell
at.

[Marek Novotny]

LOL.

[Snit]

On 9/8/16, 8:41 AM, in article
Sqedne-V2aBZG0zK...@giganews.com, "Marek Novotny"

<marek....@marspolar.com> wrote:

> On 2016-09-08, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> "owl" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Desk Retard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm surprised they find the time to do this what with having to
>>>>> constantly fiddle with their desktop OS.
>>>>
>>>> I use Linux precisely because I don't like having to constantly fiddle
>>>> with my desktop OS.
>>
>> In the up-is-down, lies-are-truth world of a Linux hater, Windows
>> requires less maintenance than GNU/Linux.
>
> Yeah, I have said since I started in Linux that I felt and continue to
> feel that Linux is far easier.

At what types of tasks? Maybe you can show some where Linux helps your
workflow or otherwise benefits your productivity over the competition.

...

--
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* Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE>
* Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
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* Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>

[Snit]

On 9/8/16, 3:45 AM, in article 64s7ad-...@debian.machineone.org,

"William Poaster" <w...@dev.null> wrote:

> On 8/9/2016 11:21 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, Peter Köhlmann posted:
>

>> Desk Rabbit wrote:
>>
>>> On 02/09/2016 23:11, Andy Rains wrote:
>>>> On 9/2/2016 1:59 PM, Andy Rains wrote:
>>>>> Many satisfied clients. This one is hilarious.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.merchantcircle.com/prescott-computer-guy1-prescott-az
>>>>>
>>>>> "Helped me with my janitorial business"
>>>>>
>>>>> "I use a Linux program called Sewer Gas 9.1 to mange my janitorial
>>>>> business and after a power failure the program crapped out on me. The
>>>>> Prescott Computer Guy dove right in like a skin diver and worked through
>>>>> the muck to find the problem which was kernels stuck in my compiler. I
>>>>> can't say enough good about The Prescott Computer Guy. William Poaster.
>>>>>
>>>>> By williampoaster September 01, 2016 at 06:35 PM"
>>>>
>>>> Demonstrates the level that the herd will sink to.
>>>> It's not even funny.
>>>

>>> They cannot advocate Linux so resort to attacking the messenger. I'm

>>> surprised they find the time to do this what with having to constantly
>>> fiddle with their desktop OS.
>

>> And naturally Desk Snit Rabbit has nothing better to do than sucking up to
>> the dishonest lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser.
>

> Well naturally. HE's amoron, what else did you expect.

How many of the herd will step up and call you out on this?

Five?

One?

No. NONE. Even you friends do not expect you to act reasonably.

>> After all, you dimbest bulb knowe absolutely nothing about linux, and the
>> one constantly fiddling with his Toy-OS is you. Your Toys-R-Us windows lies
>> flat on its face every few weeks after the next malware attack, and then you
>> have the gall to deny that a lot of your "computing time" is spent reparing
>> that shite "OS" to be able to use it as game starter again
>

> As I've said before, I didn't post that "review". I wouldn't be
> surprised if it was put there by "Andy flatfish Rains", or one of the
> other trolling fuckwits in here. So "the level that the herd will sink
> to" is just about the level of the childish trolls, like DumbRabbit,
> Flatfish, etc.

What is clear is one or more people from COLA did it. THAT is the level of
morality which is the norm around here.

[Snit]

On 9/8/16, 7:05 AM, in article nqrr6r$f43$1...@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann"

How many of the herd will step up and call you out on this?

Five?

One?

No. NONE. Even you friends do not expect you to act reasonably.

[Snit]

On 9/8/16, 3:21 AM, in article nqre3g$389$1...@dont-email.me, "Peter Köhlmann"

[Snit]

On 9/8/16, 4:00 AM, in article hf.g...@perch.invalid, "Octavian W.

> A complete computer newbie friend of mine in his sixties would bring his
> laptop over to my house practically every three weeks to "fix" it for him.
> (Amounted to running an anti-malware update/clean of the system). I finally
> just installed debian on the thing and showed him the basics of using the
> GUI. It's been over a year since he called me with a "computer problem."
> I ask him periodically how it's working, and he always says, "It's working
> great -- no problems." I'm still going to go over and get it up to date
> one of these days.
>

Would love to see support for this. Seems VERY unlikely... unless all he
does is web surfing.

[Octavian W. Lagrange]

DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
> On 9/8/2016 10:13 AM, Octavian W. Lagrange wrote:
>> DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>>> On 9/8/2016 6:53 AM, Octavian W. Lagrange wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Microsoft is dying. It might take a while before they disappear completely,
>>>> but it's over for them. Has been for years now.
>>>
>>>
>>> Not "dying". "Doomed".
>>>
>>> Get the idiocy right!
>>>
>>
>> This is COLA, not GLP, wheretard.
>
> GLP?
>

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/l/q/46ae055cee.gif

[Silver Slimer]

On 2016-09-08 8:37 AM, William Poaster wrote:
> On 8/9/2016 13:26 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, chrisv posted:
>
>> William Poaster wrote:
>>
>>> As I've said before, I didn't post that "review".
>>
>> Surely you don't think that the assholes who troll in here require the
>> truth to be on their side, before they attack us...
>
> Nope. If they did, they wouldn't be trolls, would they. They just make
> up shit, probably scrape if from their basement/trailer floor, & fling
> it.

Except the "trolls" don't actually make up shit and usually have
articles, screenshots and videos to prove whatever they are claiming
regardless of what some of you say. In this newsgroup at least, it's the
Linux advocates who don't prove things and not the other way around. You
definitely need to up your game.


--
Silver Slimer

[Snit]

On 9/8/16, 6:29 AM, in article nqrp4c$7p8$3...@deskrabbit.motzarella.org, "Desk

Rabbit" <m...@example.com> wrote:

>>> And naturally Desk Snit Rabbit has nothing better to do than sucking up to
>>> the dishonest lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser.
>>
>> Well naturally. HE's amoron, what else did you expect.
>>
>>> After all, you dimbest bulb knowe absolutely nothing about linux, and the
>>> one constantly fiddling with his Toy-OS is you. Your Toys-R-Us windows lies
>>> flat on its face every few weeks after the next malware attack, and then you
>>> have the gall to deny that a lot of your "computing time" is spent reparing
>>> that shite "OS" to be able to use it as game starter again
>>
>> As I've said before, I didn't post that "review". I wouldn't be
>> surprised if it was put there by "Andy flatfish Rains", or one of the
>> other trolling fuckwits in here. So "the level that the herd will sink
>> to" is just about the level of the childish trolls, like DumbRabbit,
>> Flatfish, etc.
>>
>
> The language used in those reviews is far more of the childish "pee pee"
> style humour used by you and your ilk.

It is clearly from the herd... they will stop at NOTHING in their attacks
against me.

[DFS]

On 9/8/2016 6:53 AM, Octavian W. Lagrange wrote:

> That thing gets booted maybe once every three months, at best.
> It literally sits there collecting dust.

Don't talk about your wife's ladyparts like that. Go get some Viagra or
something.

[Steve Carroll]

On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 9:59:06 AM UTC-6, Silver Slimer wrote:
> On 2016-09-08 8:37 AM, William Poaster wrote:
> > On 8/9/2016 13:26 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, chrisv posted:
> >
> >> William Poaster wrote:
> >>
> >>> As I've said before, I didn't post that "review".
> >>
> >> Surely you don't think that the assholes who troll in here require the
> >> truth to be on their side, before they attack us...
> >
> > Nope. If they did, they wouldn't be trolls, would they. They just make
> > up shit, probably scrape if from their basement/trailer floor, & fling
> > it.
>
> Except the "trolls" don't actually make up shit

LOL! No, dude... every troll in here has made things up, yourself included.

> and usually have
> articles, screenshots and videos to prove whatever they are claiming
> regardless of what some of you say.

Here's what I say... the definition of "proof" is this newsgroup is pretty wide... too wide to be realistic.

> In this newsgroup at least, it's the
> Linux advocates who don't prove things and not the other way around. You
> definitely need to up your game.

He seems to writing more now than he has in the past... that's a start.

[Snit]

On 9/8/16, 6:27 AM, in article nqrovb$7p8$1...@deskrabbit.motzarella.org, "Desk

Rabbit" <m...@example.com> wrote:

>>> They cannot advocate Linux so resort to attacking the messenger. I'm
>>> surprised they find the time to do this what with having to constantly
>>> fiddle with their desktop OS.
>>

>> And naturally Desk Snit Rabbit has nothing better to do than sucking up to
>> the dishonest lying imbecile Snit Michael Glasser.
>>

>> After all, you dimbest bulb knowe absolutely nothing about linux, and the
>> one constantly fiddling with his Toy-OS is you. Your Toys-R-Us windows lies
>> flat on its face every few weeks after the next malware attack, and then you
>> have the gall to deny that a lot of your "computing time" is spent reparing
>> that shite "OS" to be able to use it as game starter again
>>
>

> Utter nonsense, my Windows 7 desktop system has been up and running for
> 42 days, I was away on holiday last week and didn't bother to shut it
> down, when I came back on Monday it was ready to go as soon as I moved
> the mouse.
>
> The entire business has not had a malware infestation in years and
> neither have our customers, well at least the ones who follow our advice
> and once they have a problem they soon fall into line and see sense.
>
> As for Linux, my personal email and web site is hosted on a Linux
> machine which I just moved from Elastic hosts to Azure yesterday without
> any issues. We run about a dozen or more Linux servers for our clients
> for various purposes from FTP servers, through to Ticketing systems.
>
> I've probably got far more hands on experience on a wider range of real
> world systems than your little home development setup.

Keep in mind that when Peter has limited resources and thinks in terms of
the tasks he will need to do or even might need to do, he leaves Linux
behind and goes with the competition:

Peter Köhlmann:
-----
The last days I prepared 2 OSX machines I intend to take with me
to Berlin, where I will stay for some weeks starting in about 10
days. Reason: Too much luggage, so I will take only a apple laptop
and a iMac instead of the full featured linux rig.
-----

On seeing this he repeatedly says I am lying and then repeats that he only
went with the competition because he was thinking of the tasks he might need
to do.

[Silver Slimer]

Which is almost funny because the temporary files shouldn't have _that_
much of an impact on any performance other than browsing. Even in
browsing, theoretically, it should improve speeds not lower them. But
yeah, I rarely see a true improvement from cleaning the registry.

--
Silver Slimer

[Silver Slimer]

Meh, at least they tried. Seriously, how do make Windows "cool with the
kids." Apple did it by making stylish products and having a simplistic
logo that stands for so much but Microsoft... Windows... they have the
stylish products, they have the pretty operating system, they have the
simplistic logo and the kids still don't see it as "cool."

Oh well.


--
Silver Slimer

[Octavian W. Lagrange]

What kind of support? It's a personal anecdote. You can believe it
or not. Doesn't matter to me. I know it's a fact. I don't know what he
uses it for aside from browsing and email. I showed his wife LibreOffice,
gimp, etc. I also switched my dad to Linux years ago for the same reason.
There is nothing I hate worse than having to fix somebody's broken
Windows computer, where malware is just part of your daily life. Believe
me, 99 percent of computer users out there could get by perfectly fine
with Linux and its software universe. Windoze and Mack are completely
irrelevant today outside of niche markets.

[Snit]

On 9/8/16, 8:59 AM, in article nqs1s6$8ia$1...@dont-email.me, "Silver Slimer"

The herd deems any proof to be "forged"... it is insane. Happens even when
the open source developers acknowledge the bug.

[Silver Slimer]

LOL! Awesome reply.


--
Silver Slimer

[Octavian W. Lagrange]

The people who think computers are cool are aging out. There's only
one kind of PC millennials seem to care about, and it has nothing to do
with computers.

[Silver Slimer]

On 2016-09-08 12:05 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 9:59:06 AM UTC-6, Silver Slimer wrote:
>> On 2016-09-08 8:37 AM, William Poaster wrote:
>>> On 8/9/2016 13:26 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, chrisv posted:
>>>
>>>> William Poaster wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As I've said before, I didn't post that "review".
>>>>
>>>> Surely you don't think that the assholes who troll in here require the
>>>> truth to be on their side, before they attack us...
>>>
>>> Nope. If they did, they wouldn't be trolls, would they. They just make
>>> up shit, probably scrape if from their basement/trailer floor, & fling
>>> it.
>>
>> Except the "trolls" don't actually make up shit
>
> LOL! No, dude... every troll in here has made things up, yourself included.

Whatever I make up is usually meant to be a joke. For instance, I'll be
driving down to Boston next week. I decided that I would walk around the
city and kick every trash can I see until I find the one that Richard
Stallman lives in.

To anyone with a sense of humour, that last comment is a joke. To a
Linux advocate, it would be reason to behead me.

>> and usually have
>> articles, screenshots and videos to prove whatever they are claiming
>> regardless of what some of you say.
>
> Here's what I say... the definition of "proof" is this newsgroup is pretty wide... too wide to be realistic.

Agreed.

>> In this newsgroup at least, it's the
>> Linux advocates who don't prove things and not the other way around. You
>> definitely need to up your game.
>
> He seems to writing more now than he has in the past... that's a start.

I wouldn't know. If GreyCloud didn't quote the thing in his posts, I
wouldn't see them. It takes a LOT of patience to engage Snit Michael
Glasser islamic penis massager, lying imbecile and Prescott Computer Guy
and I don't have it.

--
Silver Slimer

[Marek Novotny]

I disagree.

DFS claims all of us Linux advocates make our living on Windows. Proof?

DFS claims everyone who got Windows 10 upgrades wanted it. You'd agree
with him here? His so called "Proof" is that if they didn't want it they
would have removed it. You'd agree with that then?

Snit Claims he knows more about Linux then the Advocates do... His proof
is that he recorded a mouse click using AppleScript to record the entire
screen as Numbers, the spreadsheet changed the value of cell upwards of
one with the recorded mouse click. He essentially is recording one whole
frame (the screen) one and time via his screen recorder to give the
illusion that the app is animated.

He cannot build a Firewall, a NAS, configure NFS or even deal with
simple VPN. Does that sound like proof to day?

[Snit]

On 9/8/16, 9:32 AM, in article nqs3qe$fpj$1...@dont-email.me, "Silver Slimer"

<.m@nsn.s> wrote:

> On 2016-09-08 12:05 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 9:59:06 AM UTC-6, Silver Slimer wrote:
>>> On 2016-09-08 8:37 AM, William Poaster wrote:
>>>> On 8/9/2016 13:26 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, chrisv posted:
>>>>
>>>>> William Poaster wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As I've said before, I didn't post that "review".
>>>>>
>>>>> Surely you don't think that the assholes who troll in here require the
>>>>> truth to be on their side, before they attack us...
>>>>
>>>> Nope. If they did, they wouldn't be trolls, would they. They just make
>>>> up shit, probably scrape if from their basement/trailer floor, & fling
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> Except the "trolls" don't actually make up shit
>>
>> LOL! No, dude... every troll in here has made things up, yourself included.
>
> Whatever I make up is usually meant to be a joke. For instance, I'll be
> driving down to Boston next week. I decided that I would walk around the
> city and kick every trash can I see until I find the one that Richard
> Stallman lives in.
>
> To anyone with a sense of humour, that last comment is a joke. To a
> Linux advocate, it would be reason to behead me.

Much of that type of humor is absurd... but it is also not a lie. Sure.

>>> and usually have
>>> articles, screenshots and videos to prove whatever they are claiming
>>> regardless of what some of you say.
>>
>> Here's what I say... the definition of "proof" is this newsgroup is pretty
>> wide... too wide to be realistic.
>
> Agreed.

It is why I tend to use video proof... something which anyone with access to
a computer can test for themselves and prove to be wrong if they want to say
it is.

If they do show different behavior we can look at why.

>>> In this newsgroup at least, it's the
>>> Linux advocates who don't prove things and not the other way around. You
>>> definitely need to up your game.
>>
>> He seems to writing more now than he has in the past... that's a start.
>
> I wouldn't know. If GreyCloud didn't quote the thing in his posts, I
> wouldn't see them. It takes a LOT of patience to engage Snit Michael
> Glasser islamic penis massager, lying imbecile and Prescott Computer Guy
> and I don't have it.

That is an example of poor behavior I would never sink to.

[Snit]

On 9/8/16, 9:21 AM, in article hgnvsl...@perch.invalid, "Octavian W.

Lagrange" <olag...@perch.invalid> wrote:

>>> A complete computer newbie friend of mine in his sixties would bring his
>>> laptop over to my house practically every three weeks to "fix" it for him.
>>> (Amounted to running an anti-malware update/clean of the system). I finally
>>> just installed debian on the thing and showed him the basics of using the
>>> GUI. It's been over a year since he called me with a "computer problem."
>>> I ask him periodically how it's working, and he always says, "It's working
>>> great -- no problems." I'm still going to go over and get it up to date
>>> one of these days.
>>>
>> Would love to see support for this. Seems VERY unlikely... unless all he
>> does is web surfing.
>>
>
> What kind of support? It's a personal anecdote.

Right... and one that is unlikely to be true. But I admit it would be pretty
much impossible to support.

I also speak of anecdotes... the people I have moved to Linux and how, as
far as I know, NONE are on it now. That would also be hard to support.

> You can believe it or not. Doesn't matter to me. I know it's a fact. I
> don't know what he uses it for aside from browsing and email. I showed his
> wife LibreOffice, gimp, etc. I also switched my dad to Linux years ago for
> the same reason. There is nothing I hate worse than having to fix somebody's
> broken Windows computer, where malware is just part of your daily life.

Why would it be a part of your daily life?

> Believe me, 99 percent of computer users out there could get by perfectly fine
> with Linux and its software universe.

Yet most move away from it when they use it.

> Windoze and Mack are completely
> irrelevant today outside of niche markets.

If that was true then you and the herd would be able to show ways in which
Linux handled tasks well. Remember, even Marek and Peter leave Linux behind
when they think of tasks they want to get done (at least in some cases --
not saying all). Most of the herd uses the competition or their family's do.

Your claim is not at all supported.

[Octavian W. Lagrange]

Dufus has his moments. At least Mrs DFS is no longer spoofing him at
the moment.

[Snit]

On 9/8/16, 9:40 AM, in article
Wb2dneOLQLr3CUzK...@giganews.com, "Marek Novotny"

<marek....@marspolar.com> wrote:

> On 2016-09-08, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>> On 2016-09-08 8:37 AM, William Poaster wrote:
>>> On 8/9/2016 13:26 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, chrisv posted:
>>>
>>>> William Poaster wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As I've said before, I didn't post that "review".
>>>>
>>>> Surely you don't think that the assholes who troll in here require the
>>>> truth to be on their side, before they attack us...
>>>
>>> Nope. If they did, they wouldn't be trolls, would they. They just make
>>> up shit, probably scrape if from their basement/trailer floor, & fling
>>> it.
>>
>> Except the "trolls" don't actually make up shit and usually have
>> articles, screenshots and videos to prove whatever they are claiming
>> regardless of what some of you say. In this newsgroup at least, it's the
>> Linux advocates who don't prove things and not the other way around. You
>> definitely need to up your game.
>
> I disagree.
>
> DFS claims all of us Linux advocates make our living on Windows. Proof?

Many have stated they do. Peter recently admitted when he considered his
claimed work tasks he went with Macs and left Linux behind. With your
hand-picked task you left Linux behind.

I do not think it is fair to say "all," but clearly Linux does not do all
you guys want to do!

...

> Snit Claims he knows more about Linux then the Advocates do...

Please show this quote. But you will not.

> His proof is that he recorded a mouse click using AppleScript to record the
> entire screen as Numbers, the spreadsheet changed the value of cell upwards of
> one with the recorded mouse click.

That has nothing to do with Linux. Your claim is a direct lie.

> He essentially is recording one whole frame (the screen) one and time via his
> screen recorder to give the illusion that the app is animated.

And when you tried that task you failed... even after you left Linux behind.
And you are still crying about it. Funny!

> He cannot build a Firewall, a NAS, configure NFS or even deal with
> simple VPN. Does that sound like proof to day?

Again: more lies from you. A shame you cannot be honest.

[chrisv]

> slime wrote:
>>
>> Except the "trolls" don't actually make up shit and usually have
>> articles, screenshots and videos to prove whatever they are claiming
>> regardless of what some of you say.

You're making-up shit right now, lying slime.

>> In this newsgroup at least, it's the
>> Linux advocates who don't prove things and not the other way around. You
>> definitely need to up your game.

People don't need to prove to unreasonable, obtuse, lying, insulting
assholes that the product they've chosen is a good choice for them.

Anyone who is so GD *stupid* to not understand that a market as
diverse as "PC users" needs a lot of choices is probably beyond hope.

Why don't you and your pals fsck-off to some car group, and demand
that people justify their decisions on what they chose?

--
"(Virtual desktops) do lead to a source of confusion and the added
need of setting up and deciding where you want what window...
something quite confusing for many users." - some thing, claiming
that an advantage is actually a disadvantage.

[chrisv]

Marek Novotny wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> Sucks to be a Wintroll, these days.
>
>That's why they are in here. Scared shitless and want someone to yell
>at.

They were undone by their ignorance and their stupidity. They
actually believed that their "planning committees" in Redmond and
Cupertino could beat the "chaos" of the FOSS ecosystem. They felt
that Microsoft's continued dominance of the desktop, and Apple's
enormous profits, was "proof" of this.

Meanwhile, FOSS is taking-over in more and more areas.

--
"In general, had the big Linux projects pooled their resources and
worked together, Linux might have gained some major traction and
capitalized on Microsoft's mistakes over the years." - "flatfish"

[Marek Novotny]

On 2016-09-08, Octavian W. Lagrange <olag...@perch.invalid> wrote:
> The people who think computers are cool are aging out. There's only
> one kind of PC millennials seem to care about, and it has nothing to do
> with computers.

Some kid in the 7th grade is already using Linux and wrote to Linus that
he wanted to meet him. So the Linux Foundation flew him out to LinuxCon,
he met Linus, got his Linux Bible autographed and Linus gave him a copy
of "Just for Fun".

Something like 10 million Raspberry Pi computers have been sold now. A
lot of them for learning because they are so simple.

The love of technology and learning is alive and well.

[Marek Novotny]

On 2016-09-08, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Marek Novotny wrote:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> Sucks to be a Wintroll, these days.
>>
>>That's why they are in here. Scared shitless and want someone to yell
>>at.
>
> They were undone by their ignorance and their stupidity. They
> actually believed that their "planning committees" in Redmond and
> Cupertino could beat the "chaos" of the FOSS ecosystem. They felt
> that Microsoft's continued dominance of the desktop, and Apple's
> enormous profits, was "proof" of this.
>
> Meanwhile, FOSS is taking-over in more and more areas.

FOSS won a decade ago. We're just seeing the effects of that win now as
they grow and become obvious even to the masses. Aside from the actual
desktop, FOSS have won everything.

[Octavian W. Lagrange]

Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> On 9/8/16, 9:21 AM, in article hgnvsl...@perch.invalid, "Octavian W.
> Lagrange" <olag...@perch.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>> A complete computer newbie friend of mine in his sixties would bring his
>>>> laptop over to my house practically every three weeks to "fix" it for him.
>>>> (Amounted to running an anti-malware update/clean of the system). I finally
>>>> just installed debian on the thing and showed him the basics of using the
>>>> GUI. It's been over a year since he called me with a "computer problem."
>>>> I ask him periodically how it's working, and he always says, "It's working
>>>> great -- no problems." I'm still going to go over and get it up to date
>>>> one of these days.
>>>>
>>> Would love to see support for this. Seems VERY unlikely... unless all he
>>> does is web surfing.
>>>
>>
>> What kind of support? It's a personal anecdote.
>
> Right... and one that is unlikely to be true. But I admit it would be pretty
> much impossible to support.
>
> I also speak of anecdotes... the people I have moved to Linux and how, as
> far as I know, NONE are on it now. That would also be hard to support.
>

Probably because you were unable to answer any simple questions they
might have had. The people I switched had the advantage of my expertise.
Maybe you should have switched them to Mack.

>> You can believe it or not. Doesn't matter to me. I know it's a fact. I
>> don't know what he uses it for aside from browsing and email. I showed his
>> wife LibreOffice, gimp, etc. I also switched my dad to Linux years ago for
>> the same reason. There is nothing I hate worse than having to fix somebody's
>> broken Windows computer, where malware is just part of your daily life.
>
> Why would it be a part of your daily life?
>

Ask Microsoft why that should be the case.

>> Believe me, 99 percent of computer users out there could get by perfectly fine
>> with Linux and its software universe.
>
> Yet most move away from it when they use it.
>

Not in my experience.

>> Windoze and Mack are completely
>> irrelevant today outside of niche markets.
>
> If that was true then you and the herd would be able to show ways in which
> Linux handled tasks well. Remember, even Marek and Peter leave Linux behind
> when they think of tasks they want to get done (at least in some cases --
> not saying all). Most of the herd uses the competition or their family's do.
>
> Your claim is not at all supported.
>

Sure it is. I use Linux for everthing except the occasional niche app,
such as when I had to fork out $1600 for Windows-only surveying software a
few years ago. What areas of general computing do you think are unserved
by Linux?

[Marek Novotny]

On 2016-09-08, Octavian W. Lagrange <olag...@perch.invalid> wrote:
> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

// snip

>> I also speak of anecdotes... the people I have moved to Linux and how, as
>> far as I know, NONE are on it now. That would also be hard to support.
>
> Probably because you were unable to answer any simple questions they
> might have had. The people I switched had the advantage of my expertise.
> Maybe you should have switched them to Mack.

He's completely delusional. He thinks we ask for help when we challenge
him. His word is worthless.

[Snit]

On 9/8/16, 10:14 AM, in article fhjavi...@perch.invalid, "Octavian W.

Lagrange" <olag...@perch.invalid> wrote:

> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>> On 9/8/16, 9:21 AM, in article hgnvsl...@perch.invalid, "Octavian W.
>> Lagrange" <olag...@perch.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>>> A complete computer newbie friend of mine in his sixties would bring his
>>>>> laptop over to my house practically every three weeks to "fix" it for him.
>>>>> (Amounted to running an anti-malware update/clean of the system). I
>>>>> finally
>>>>> just installed debian on the thing and showed him the basics of using the
>>>>> GUI. It's been over a year since he called me with a "computer problem."
>>>>> I ask him periodically how it's working, and he always says, "It's working
>>>>> great -- no problems." I'm still going to go over and get it up to date
>>>>> one of these days.
>>>>>
>>>> Would love to see support for this. Seems VERY unlikely... unless all he
>>>> does is web surfing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What kind of support? It's a personal anecdote.
>>
>> Right... and one that is unlikely to be true. But I admit it would be pretty
>> much impossible to support.
>>
>> I also speak of anecdotes... the people I have moved to Linux and how, as
>> far as I know, NONE are on it now. That would also be hard to support.
>
> Probably because you were unable to answer any simple questions they
> might have had.

You said he had none after being set up. But I did answer questions.

> The people I switched had the advantage of my expertise.

Now you say more than one. Your story has changed.

> Maybe you should have switched them to Mack.

Trucks would not have served their computing needs well!

>>> You can believe it or not. Doesn't matter to me. I know it's a fact. I
>>> don't know what he uses it for aside from browsing and email. I showed his
>>> wife LibreOffice, gimp, etc. I also switched my dad to Linux years ago for
>>> the same reason. There is nothing I hate worse than having to fix somebody's
>>> broken Windows computer, where malware is just part of your daily life.
>>
>> Why would it be a part of your daily life?
>
> Ask Microsoft why that should be the case.

You are the one who claimed it. Why would you want to have it be a part of
your daily life? Get a malware tool and let it do its thing. Yes, the free
ones generally have annoying popups.. but even those are not daily.

What could you possibly do to make this a daily issue?

>
>>> Believe me, 99 percent of computer users out there could get by perfectly
>>> fine
>>> with Linux and its software universe.
>>
>> Yet most move away from it when they use it.
>
> Not in my experience.

Look at the times Linux distros are downloaded... yet still at under 2%
usage.

>>> Windoze and Mack are completely
>>> irrelevant today outside of niche markets.
>>
>> If that was true then you and the herd would be able to show ways in which
>> Linux handled tasks well. Remember, even Marek and Peter leave Linux behind
>> when they think of tasks they want to get done (at least in some cases --
>> not saying all). Most of the herd uses the competition or their family's do.
>>
>> Your claim is not at all supported.
>
> Sure it is. I use Linux for everthing except the occasional niche app,
> such as when I had to fork out $1600 for Windows-only surveying software a
> few years ago. What areas of general computing do you think are unserved
> by Linux?

I think most are not served AS WELL. You can do basic word processing,
email, web surfing, etc. Does not mean it will work better than the
competition, or even as well.

[GreyCloud]

On 09/08/16 04:53, Octavian W. Lagrange wrote:
> Desk Rabbit<m...@example.com> wrote:
>> On 02/09/2016 23:11, Andy Rains wrote:
>>> On 9/2/2016 1:59 PM, Andy Rains wrote:
>>>> Many satisfied clients. This one is hilarious.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.merchantcircle.com/prescott-computer-guy1-prescott-az
>>>>
>>>> "Helped me with my janitorial business"
>>>>
>>>> "I use a Linux program called Sewer Gas 9.1 to mange my janitorial
>>>> business and after a power failure the program crapped out on me. The
>>>> Prescott Computer Guy dove right in like a skin diver and worked through
>>>> the muck to find the problem which was kernels stuck in my compiler. I
>>>> can't say enough good about The Prescott Computer Guy. William Poaster.
>>>>
>>>> By williampoaster September 01, 2016 at 06:35 PM"
>>>
>>> Demonstrates the level that the herd will sink to.
>>> It's not even funny.
>>
>> They cannot advocate Linux so resort to attacking the messenger. I'm
>> surprised they find the time to do this what with having to constantly
>> fiddle with their desktop OS.
>
> I use Linux precisely because I don't like having to constantly fiddle
> with my desktop OS.

I use Solaris 10, and ever since I got it set up several years ago, I've
just about forgotten everything about setting things up.

> I bought my wife a Windows laptop a couple years
> ago so she wouldn't constantly be bugging me to "look something up"
> for her. That thing gets booted maybe once every three months, at best.
> It literally sits there collecting dust. The wife mostly still has me
> "look something up" for her or else logs in to her own account on this
> Linux machine.
>
> Microsoft is dying. It might take a while before they disappear completely,
> but it's over for them. Has been for years now.
>

Especially since their win10 is more made to run like it is 1984.

[Snit]

On 9/8/16, 10:19 AM, in article
qN-dnRF-KIApAEzK...@giganews.com, "Marek Novotny"

<marek....@marspolar.com> wrote:

> On 2016-09-08, Octavian W. Lagrange <olag...@perch.invalid> wrote:
>> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
> // snip
>
>>> I also speak of anecdotes... the people I have moved to Linux and how, as
>>> far as I know, NONE are on it now. That would also be hard to support.
>>
>> Probably because you were unable to answer any simple questions they
>> might have had. The people I switched had the advantage of my expertise.
>> Maybe you should have switched them to Mack.
>
> He's completely delusional. He thinks we ask for help when we challenge
> him.

Of course you are asking for my help! You want my help in playing your
trolling games. I sometimes do help. Sometimes I do not. You deem it a "win"
when I do not help you with your trolling.

> His word is worthless.

Your view. Whatever. But let us focus on technology. Any examples of Linux
actually serving people better than the competition?

The last time you tried you shows a script you made which you did not even
claim works better on Linux than on OS X...

Your time before that you left Linux behind and still did a poor job on the
competition.

So focus on technology. Linux. Can YOU show it actually does ANYTHING for
you better than the competition would? Anything?

Note: I am not saying it does not. Not denying you MIGHT come up with one.
Just asking if you can.

[Octavian W. Lagrange]

Marek Novotny <marek....@marspolar.com> wrote:
> On 2016-09-08, Octavian W. Lagrange <olag...@perch.invalid> wrote:
>> The people who think computers are cool are aging out. There's only
>> one kind of PC millennials seem to care about, and it has nothing to do
>> with computers.
>
> Some kid in the 7th grade is already using Linux and wrote to Linus that
> he wanted to meet him. So the Linux Foundation flew him out to LinuxCon,
> he met Linus, got his Linux Bible autographed and Linus gave him a copy
> of "Just for Fun".
>

Yeah I have hope for the post-Millennials. The ones I've met are
top-notch humans.

> Something like 10 million Raspberry Pi computers have been sold now. A
> lot of them for learning because they are so simple.
>
> The love of technology and learning is alive and well.
>

Let's hope that the lull that the Millennials have put in the PC market
doesn't kill the category off altogether. Consumer apathy fueled by
smartphone distraction and Microsoft/Apple ineptitude doesn't bode
well for the future of desktop computing.

[Steve Carroll]

On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 11:14:42 AM UTC-6, Octavian W. Lagrange wrote:
> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> > On 9/8/16, 9:21 AM, in article hgnvsl...@perch.invalid, "Octavian W.
> > Lagrange" <olag...@perch.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>>> A complete computer newbie friend of mine in his sixties would bring his
> >>>> laptop over to my house practically every three weeks to "fix" it for him.
> >>>> (Amounted to running an anti-malware update/clean of the system). I finally
> >>>> just installed debian on the thing and showed him the basics of using the
> >>>> GUI. It's been over a year since he called me with a "computer problem."
> >>>> I ask him periodically how it's working, and he always says, "It's working
> >>>> great -- no problems." I'm still going to go over and get it up to date
> >>>> one of these days.
> >>>>
> >>> Would love to see support for this. Seems VERY unlikely... unless all he
> >>> does is web surfing.
> >>>
> >>
> >> What kind of support? It's a personal anecdote.
> >
> > Right... and one that is unlikely to be true. But I admit it would be pretty
> > much impossible to support.
> >
> > I also speak of anecdotes... the people I have moved to Linux and how, as
> > far as I know, NONE are on it now. That would also be hard to support.
> >
>
> Probably because you were unable to answer any simple questions they
> might have had.

LOL! Dude, don't tell me you actually believe his BS here.

[Steve Carroll]

On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 11:33:35 AM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
> On 9/8/16, 10:19 AM, in article
> qN-dnRF-KIApAEzK...@giganews.com, "Marek Novotny"
> <marek....@marspolar.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2016-09-08, Octavian W. Lagrange <olag...@perch.invalid> wrote:
> >> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> >
> > // snip
> >
> >>> I also speak of anecdotes... the people I have moved to Linux and how, as
> >>> far as I know, NONE are on it now. That would also be hard to support.
> >>
> >> Probably because you were unable to answer any simple questions they
> >> might have had. The people I switched had the advantage of my expertise.
> >> Maybe you should have switched them to Mack.
> >
> > He's completely delusional. He thinks we ask for help when we challenge
> > him.
>
> Of course you are asking for my help!

Bull. Of course you'll want "proof":

<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.os.linux.advocacy/YwOhB1qbSiA/Hj470SDSDQAJ>

By the way, have you figured out the issue on the ES5 version yet?

[ronb]

On Thu, 08 Sep 2016 08:46:42 -0700, Marek Novotny wrote:

> On 2016-09-08, Octavian W. Lagrange <olag...@perch.invalid> wrote:

>> Desk Rabbit <m...@example.com> wrote:

>>> On 08/09/2016 11:53, Octavian W. Lagrange wrote:
>>>> Desk Rabbit <m...@example.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 02/09/2016 23:11, Andy Rains wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/2/2016 1:59 PM, Andy Rains wrote:
>>>>>>> Many satisfied clients. This one is hilarious.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.merchantcircle.com/prescott-computer-guy1-prescott-az
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Helped me with my janitorial business"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I use a Linux program called Sewer Gas 9.1 to mange my janitorial
>>>>>>> business and after a power failure the program crapped out on me.
>>>>>>> The Prescott Computer Guy dove right in like a skin diver and
>>>>>>> worked through the muck to find the problem which was kernels
>>>>>>> stuck in my compiler. I can't say enough good about The Prescott
>>>>>>> Computer Guy. William Poaster.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By williampoaster September 01, 2016 at 06:35 PM"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Demonstrates the level that the herd will sink to.
>>>>>> It's not even funny.
>>>>>
>>>>> They cannot advocate Linux so resort to attacking the messenger. I'm
>>>>> surprised they find the time to do this what with having to
>>>>> constantly fiddle with their desktop OS.
>>>>
>>>> I use Linux precisely because I don't like having to constantly

>>>> fiddle with my desktop OS. I bought my wife a Windows laptop a

>>>> couple years ago so she wouldn't constantly be bugging me to "look
>>>> something up"
>>>> for her. That thing gets booted maybe once every three months, at
>>>> best.
>>>> It literally sits there collecting dust. The wife mostly still has
>>>> me "look something up" for her or else logs in to her own account on
>>>> this Linux machine.
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft is dying. It might take a while before they disappear
>>>> completely,
>>>> but it's over for them. Has been for years now.
>>>>
>>>>

>>> What nonsense. That "dying" company just opened two new datacentres in
>>> the UK. How many have RedHat or any other Linux distros opened
>>> datacentres in the last 5 years?
>>
>> I don't have many datacenters on my desktop.
>>
>> BTW, I wonder if millennials have heard of Microsoft.
>> OMG, it looks like they have.
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/07/08/microsoft-millennial-
recruitment-email_n_10898110.html
>

> LOL.

Remember their Kin ad campaign and their original Surface ads? And their
pathetic use of Seinfeld? You would think by now that they would be smart
enough to hire someone who actually knows something about "being hip and
groovy."

Original Surface ad ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB5txqIl8jQ

Isn't that the "cat's pajamas."

--
Zero tolerance for iCultists and WinDrones

[Octavian W. Lagrange]

Your answers must not have been any good. Maybe you should stop
posing and start RTFM yourself before "moving newbies to Linux"
and presenting yourself as qualified to hold their hand.

>> The people I switched had the advantage of my expertise.
>
> Now you say more than one. Your story has changed.
>

I mentioned "my friend" and "my dad." That's two, and according
to bc, 2 is greater than one:

anon@lowtide:~$ echo 'x=2;y=1;if(x>y){print "yes\n"}' | bc
yes
anon@lowtide:~$

[ronb]

On Thu, 08 Sep 2016 08:41:56 -0700, Marek Novotny wrote:

> On 2016-09-08, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> "owl" wrote:

>>>>
>>>> Desk Retard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm surprised they find the time to do this what with having to
>>>>> constantly fiddle with their desktop OS.
>>>>
>>>> I use Linux precisely because I don't like having to constantly
>>>> fiddle with my desktop OS.
>>

>> In the up-is-down, lies-are-truth world of a Linux hater, Windows
>> requires less maintenance than GNU/Linux.
>
> Yeah, I have said since I started in Linux that I felt and continue to
> feel that Linux is far easier. Someone at my office just showed me how
> your Windows box is sharing your downloaded patches with the internet.
> Wonder how long that will take to hack...
>
> So now that commercial software is using their customer's machine as a
> torrent without ever asking you.

>
>>>> Microsoft is dying. It might take a while before they disappear
>>>> completely,
>>>> but it's over for them. Has been for years now.
>>

>> They are circling the drain. Sucks to be a Wintroll, these days.

>
> That's why they are in here. Scared shitless and want someone to yell
> at.

They think they can turn back the tide. Microsoft still has a monopoly in
the desktop OS market. That's it. And it's becoming less and less
important every day.

[ronb]

Exactly.

[Snit]

On 9/8/16, 10:52 AM, in article hjvgua9...@perch.invalid, "Octavian W.

A claim you cannot support. Remember: there are claims of MASSIVE numbers of
Linux distro downloads.... but barely any usage.

We KNOW most people do not keep using it... only other possibility is a few
number of people download the same thing over and over and that is silly.

...

[Snit]

On 9/8/16, 10:55 AM, in article nqs8m7$sv0$4...@dont-email.me, "ronb"

Linux is great and very useful in many areas. Sure.

I would like to see it improve to the point where it competes well on the
desktop, too.

[Steve Carroll]

That desktop usage is shrinking for the "average user" has a lot to do with it in my opinion. MS missed the mobile boat, but they did grab onto the cloud in time (and they're using Linux to help do it). At the least, they will be a big dog in the enterprise cloud for the time being.

[Silver Slimer]

On 2016-09-08 12:30 PM, Octavian W. Lagrange wrote:
> Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:

>> On 2016-09-08 10:07 AM, Octavian W. Lagrange wrote:
>>> Desk Rabbit <m...@example.com> wrote:
>>>> On 08/09/2016 11:53, Octavian W. Lagrange wrote:
>>>>> Desk Rabbit <m...@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 02/09/2016 23:11, Andy Rains wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/2/2016 1:59 PM, Andy Rains wrote:
>>>>>>>> Many satisfied clients. This one is hilarious.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.merchantcircle.com/prescott-computer-guy1-prescott-az
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Helped me with my janitorial business"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "I use a Linux program called Sewer Gas 9.1 to mange my janitorial
>>>>>>>> business and after a power failure the program crapped out on me. The
>>>>>>>> Prescott Computer Guy dove right in like a skin diver and worked through
>>>>>>>> the muck to find the problem which was kernels stuck in my compiler. I
>>>>>>>> can't say enough good about The Prescott Computer Guy. William Poaster.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By williampoaster September 01, 2016 at 06:35 PM"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Demonstrates the level that the herd will sink to.
>>>>>>> It's not even funny.
>>>>>>

>>>>>> They cannot advocate Linux so resort to attacking the messenger. I'm

>>>>>> surprised they find the time to do this what with having to constantly
>>>>>> fiddle with their desktop OS.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use Linux precisely because I don't like having to constantly fiddle

>>>>> with my desktop OS. I bought my wife a Windows laptop a couple years
>>>>> ago so she wouldn't constantly be bugging me to "look something up"
>>>>> for her. That thing gets booted maybe once every three months, at best.
>>>>> It literally sits there collecting dust. The wife mostly still has me
>>>>> "look something up" for her or else logs in to her own account on this
>>>>> Linux machine.
>>>>>

>>>>> Microsoft is dying. It might take a while before they disappear completely,
>>>>> but it's over for them. Has been for years now.
>>>>>
>>>>

>>>> What nonsense. That "dying" company just opened two new datacentres in
>>>> the UK. How many have RedHat or any other Linux distros opened
>>>> datacentres in the last 5 years?
>>>
>>> I don't have many datacenters on my desktop.
>>>
>>> BTW, I wonder if millennials have heard of Microsoft.
>>> OMG, it looks like they have.
>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/07/08/microsoft-millennial-recruitment-email_n_10898110.html
>>

>> Meh, at least they tried. Seriously, how do make Windows "cool with the
>> kids." Apple did it by making stylish products and having a simplistic
>> logo that stands for so much but Microsoft... Windows... they have the
>> stylish products, they have the pretty operating system, they have the
>> simplistic logo and the kids still don't see it as "cool."
>>
>> Oh well.

>>
>
> The people who think computers are cool are aging out. There's only
> one kind of PC millennials seem to care about, and it has nothing to do
> with computers.

That's the thing: most millennials don't actually DO anything with their
computers. Browsing the web, writing a text from time to time, chatting
with your friends is not exactly the limit of what the machine can do
but that's how they see it which is why they are quite content with
under-powered tablets or their beloved cell phone. Technology was cool
in the 1980s and 1990s and mostly because people were hacking whatever
technology they purchased to do more than what its engineers expected
that it could. Now that there seem to be no limit, it has become quite
boring admittedly. Anybody who associates his self-worth to an Apple
logo, in particular, is a fucking Snit and needs to hang himself.


--
Silver Slimer

[Silver Slimer]

On 2016-09-08 12:40 PM, Marek Novotny wrote:
> On 2016-09-08, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>> On 2016-09-08 8:37 AM, William Poaster wrote:
>>> On 8/9/2016 13:26 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, chrisv posted:
>>>
>>>> William Poaster wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As I've said before, I didn't post that "review".
>>>>
>>>> Surely you don't think that the assholes who troll in here require the
>>>> truth to be on their side, before they attack us...
>>>
>>> Nope. If they did, they wouldn't be trolls, would they. They just make
>>> up shit, probably scrape if from their basement/trailer floor, & fling
>>> it.
>>
>> Except the "trolls" don't actually make up shit and usually have
>> articles, screenshots and videos to prove whatever they are claiming
>> regardless of what some of you say. In this newsgroup at least, it's the
>> Linux advocates who don't prove things and not the other way around. You
>> definitely need to up your game.
>
> I disagree.
>
> DFS claims all of us Linux advocates make our living on Windows. Proof?

Even if a Linux user ended up programming for Windows for their
employment, I don't see why that is a problem. It's not like the Linux
user made the decision. As an employee, he can only do what the
higher-ups want him to unless he creates his own business... and many do.

> DFS claims everyone who got Windows 10 upgrades wanted it. You'd agree
> with him here? His so called "Proof" is that if they didn't want it they
> would have removed it. You'd agree with that then?

My father got an old laptop as a small gift from a man he does odd jobs
for (which ended up being a full-time job even though my dad is
retired). It had Windows 7 on it and Microsoft "offered" to upgrade him
to Windows 10. By offer, I mean that they put a window in front of him
that he couldn't exit from which essentially informed him that it was
already downloaded and would be installed. That, my friends, is
Microsoft's definition of choice. It absolutely disgusted me.

> Snit Claims he knows more about Linux then the Advocates do... His proof
> is that he recorded a mouse click using AppleScript to record the entire
> screen as Numbers, the spreadsheet changed the value of cell upwards of
> one with the recorded mouse click. He essentially is recording one whole
> frame (the screen) one and time via his screen recorder to give the
> illusion that the app is animated.
>
> He cannot build a Firewall, a NAS, configure NFS or even deal with
> simple VPN. Does that sound like proof to day?

Snit Muhammad Al-Glasser Islam-certified Prescott Computer Guy is as
limited as any millennial and not a technical expert by any means.

--
Silver Slimer

[Snit]

On 9/8/16, 11:21 AM, in article nqsa7i$8hd$1...@dont-email.me, "Silver Slimer"

<.m@nsn.s> wrote:

>>> Meh, at least they tried. Seriously, how do make Windows "cool with the
>>> kids." Apple did it by making stylish products and having a simplistic
>>> logo that stands for so much but Microsoft... Windows... they have the
>>> stylish products, they have the pretty operating system, they have the
>>> simplistic logo and the kids still don't see it as "cool."
>>>
>>> Oh well.
>>>
>>
>> The people who think computers are cool are aging out. There's only
>> one kind of PC millennials seem to care about, and it has nothing to do
>> with computers.
>
> That's the thing: most millennials don't actually DO anything with their
> computers. Browsing the web, writing a text from time to time, chatting
> with your friends is not exactly the limit of what the machine can do
> but that's how they see it which is why they are quite content with
> under-powered tablets or their beloved cell phone.

What makes you think they are limited to that?

> Technology was cool
> in the 1980s and 1990s and mostly because people were hacking whatever
> technology they purchased to do more than what its engineers expected
> that it could. Now that there seem to be no limit, it has become quite
> boring admittedly. Anybody who associates his self-worth to an Apple
> logo, in particular, is a fucking Snit and needs to hang himself.

Of the folks in COLA, only ronb seems to obsess about logos. I do not get
why anyone would.

[chrisv]

ronb wrote:

> They think they can turn back the tide.

Or, at least, slow it down. Like when M$ funded SCO's assault upon
Linux, with their absolutely groundless claims that Linux violated
their copyrights.

M$ knew that SCO had nothing. They weren't going to blindly give SCO
millions of dollars. They asked to see the evidence, and there was
none. But they funded them anyway, figuring that SCO could instill
some FUD into the market for a couple years.

A nice example of M$ "business tactics".

--
"Unless LAWS are being broken then there is no wrong doing." -
trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel"

[Snit]

On 9/8/16, 11:29 AM, in article nqsali$9vj$1...@dont-email.me, "Silver Slimer"

Why not focus on technology and not your anger?

[Silver Slimer]

On 2016-09-08 12:56 PM, chrisv wrote:
>> slime wrote:
>>>
>>> Except the "trolls" don't actually make up shit and usually have
>>> articles, screenshots and videos to prove whatever they are claiming
>>> regardless of what some of you say.
>
> You're making-up shit right now, lying slime.

Idiot.

>>> In this newsgroup at least, it's the
>>> Linux advocates who don't prove things and not the other way around. You
>>> definitely need to up your game.
>
> People don't need to prove to unreasonable, obtuse, lying, insulting
> assholes that the product they've chosen is a good choice for them.
>
> Anyone who is so GD *stupid* to not understand that a market as
> diverse as "PC users" needs a lot of choices is probably beyond hope.
>
> Why don't you and your pals fsck-off to some car group, and demand
> that people justify their decisions on what they chose?

Blithering idiot.

--
Silver Slimer

[Marek Novotny]

When I was first starting out no one cared. The commodore 64 was sold at
Toys 'R' Us and though they sold millions over the years it wasn't big
money. Look at what happened to the Amiga. I still remember it took
years for them to cross the 3 million mark which was needed to get Word
Perfect to care about the platform.

Now these guys get upset cause they only sell 66 million machines a
year. That's still a lot of PCs. They just think you should be able to
grow forever and that's not realistic. But there is still a lot of PCs
being sold.

[Marek Novotny]

There was actually a very good ad of a little boy doing Windows 8 demos
in a store. It is totally excellent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6eg7JSuY-I

[Marek Novotny]

On 2016-09-08, ronb <ronb02...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'd say so. Just the fact that the Chromebook outsells Apple's laptops
in North America alone is a sign that Microsoft and Apple aren't the
only game in town. The market is open to ideas where as before it didn't
seem like it was.

[Marek Novotny]

On 2016-09-08, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> ronb wrote:
>
>> They think they can turn back the tide.
>
> Or, at least, slow it down. Like when M$ funded SCO's assault upon
> Linux, with their absolutely groundless claims that Linux violated
> their copyrights.
>
> M$ knew that SCO had nothing. They weren't going to blindly give SCO
> millions of dollars. They asked to see the evidence, and there was
> none. But they funded them anyway, figuring that SCO could instill
> some FUD into the market for a couple years.
>
> A nice example of M$ "business tactics".

Even Sun got in on that one. We respect other people's property Scott
would say. What a Jackass.

[Snit]

On 9/8/16, 11:50 AM, in article
lOGdndX2xNN_L0zK...@giganews.com, "Marek Novotny"

Years ago there was a competition to get a bunch of tasks done on Windows
vs. Mac (pre-OS X).

Windows was represented by, I think, an editor of a Windows magazine. The
Mac was represented by an 8 year old child.

With most tasks the Mac user was able to do things faster. Just did a quick
search and did not find it... would love to. It was hilarious.

[Marek Novotny]

I find it almost funny... 1:3 Azure instances are running Linux and
growing. What happens when Linux is used more than Windows on Azure?
Maybe one day Microsoft will give up on NT and use a real operating
system.

[Snit]

On 9/8/16, 11:53 AM, in article
lOGdndT2xNMCLkzK...@giganews.com, "Marek Novotny"

<marek....@marspolar.com> wrote:

>>> That's why they are in here. Scared shitless and want someone to yell
>>> at.
>>
>> They think they can turn back the tide. Microsoft still has a monopoly in
>> the desktop OS market. That's it. And it's becoming less and less
>> important every day.
>
> I'd say so. Just the fact that the Chromebook outsells Apple's laptops
> in North America alone is a sign that Microsoft and Apple aren't the
> only game in town. The market is open to ideas where as before it didn't
> seem like it was.

Right... the market is open to anyone who competes well. Has been for a long
time... and now we are seeing some Linux-based solutions doing well, killing
the idea that desktop Linux competes well.

[Marek Novotny]

On 2016-09-08, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
> On 2016-09-08 12:40 PM, Marek Novotny wrote:
>> On 2016-09-08, Silver Slimer <> wrote:
>>> On 2016-09-08 8:37 AM, William Poaster wrote:
>>>> On 8/9/2016 13:26 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, chrisv posted:
>>>>
>>>>> William Poaster wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As I've said before, I didn't post that "review".
>>>>>
>>>>> Surely you don't think that the assholes who troll in here require the
>>>>> truth to be on their side, before they attack us...
>>>>
>>>> Nope. If they did, they wouldn't be trolls, would they. They just make
>>>> up shit, probably scrape if from their basement/trailer floor, & fling
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> Except the "trolls" don't actually make up shit and usually have
>>> articles, screenshots and videos to prove whatever they are claiming
>>> regardless of what some of you say. In this newsgroup at least, it's the
>>> Linux advocates who don't prove things and not the other way around. You
>>> definitely need to up your game.
>>
>> I disagree.
>>
>> DFS claims all of us Linux advocates make our living on Windows. Proof?
>
> Even if a Linux user ended up programming for Windows for their
> employment, I don't see why that is a problem. It's not like the Linux
> user made the decision. As an employee, he can only do what the
> higher-ups want him to unless he creates his own business... and many do.

So did DFS prove his statement or not?

>> DFS claims everyone who got Windows 10 upgrades wanted it. You'd agree
>> with him here? His so called "Proof" is that if they didn't want it they
>> would have removed it. You'd agree with that then?
>
> My father got an old laptop as a small gift from a man he does odd jobs
> for (which ended up being a full-time job even though my dad is
> retired). It had Windows 7 on it and Microsoft "offered" to upgrade him
> to Windows 10. By offer, I mean that they put a window in front of him
> that he couldn't exit from which essentially informed him that it was
> already downloaded and would be installed. That, my friends, is
> Microsoft's definition of choice. It absolutely disgusted me.

So did DFS prove his statement?

>> Snit Claims he knows more about Linux then the Advocates do... His proof
>> is that he recorded a mouse click using AppleScript to record the entire
>> screen as Numbers, the spreadsheet changed the value of cell upwards of
>> one with the recorded mouse click. He essentially is recording one whole
>> frame (the screen) one and time via his screen recorder to give the
>> illusion that the app is animated.
>>
>> He cannot build a Firewall, a NAS, configure NFS or even deal with
>> simple VPN. Does that sound like proof to day?
>
> Snit Muhammad Al-Glasser Islam-certified Prescott Computer Guy is as
> limited as any millennial and not a technical expert by any means.

So did he prove his statements?

[Silver Slimer]

On 2016-09-08 1:10 PM, Marek Novotny wrote:
> On 2016-09-08, Octavian W. Lagrange <olag...@perch.invalid> wrote:
>> The people who think computers are cool are aging out. There's only
>> one kind of PC millennials seem to care about, and it has nothing to do
>> with computers.
>
> Some kid in the 7th grade is already using Linux and wrote to Linus that
> he wanted to meet him. So the Linux Foundation flew him out to LinuxCon,
> he met Linus, got his Linux Bible autographed and Linus gave him a copy
> of "Just for Fun".
>

> Something like 10 million Raspberry Pi computers have been sold now. A
> lot of them for learning because they are so simple.
>
> The love of technology and learning is alive and well.

I'd say it's more of a love of hacking (Stallman's definition) than
technology necessarily. Raspberry Pis are limited computers which can be
hacked to do impressive things. A regular computer can do so much more
than it but that's what makes it so boring.


--
Silver Slimer

[Silver Slimer]

On 2016-09-08 2:45 PM, Marek Novotny wrote:
> On 2016-09-08, Octavian W. Lagrange <olag...@perch.invalid> wrote:
>> Marek Novotny <marek....@marspolar.com> wrote:
>>> On 2016-09-08, Octavian W. Lagrange <olag...@perch.invalid> wrote:
>>>> The people who think computers are cool are aging out. There's only
>>>> one kind of PC millennials seem to care about, and it has nothing to do
>>>> with computers.
>>>
>>> Some kid in the 7th grade is already using Linux and wrote to Linus that
>>> he wanted to meet him. So the Linux Foundation flew him out to LinuxCon,
>>> he met Linus, got his Linux Bible autographed and Linus gave him a copy
>>> of "Just for Fun".
>>>
>>
>> Yeah I have hope for the post-Millennials. The ones I've met are
>> top-notch humans.
>>
>>> Something like 10 million Raspberry Pi computers have been sold now. A
>>> lot of them for learning because they are so simple.
>>>
>>> The love of technology and learning is alive and well.
>>>
>>
>> Let's hope that the lull that the Millennials have put in the PC market
>> doesn't kill the category off altogether. Consumer apathy fueled by
>> smartphone distraction and Microsoft/Apple ineptitude doesn't bode
>> well for the future of desktop computing.
>
> When I was first starting out no one cared. The commodore 64 was sold at
> Toys 'R' Us and though they sold millions over the years it wasn't big
> money.

It was part of Jack Tramiel's strategy and they were continuing it.
Before he left, he wanted the Commodore 64 at a certain price point to
undercut the competition. It allowed him to beat the TI994A and many
other 8-bit computers including the Atari line. As a result, his profits
were minimal. Once Tramiel went to Atari, he did the same with the ST
line. Essentially, Tramiel offered his customers a lot more than the
competition and for far less but it still somehow wasn't enough to
create a standardized platform.

> Look at what happened to the Amiga. I still remember it took
> years for them to cross the 3 million mark which was needed to get Word
> Perfect to care about the platform.

Blame Commodore's marketing; even THEY didn't know what the Amiga was
and therefore had no idea how to sell it. They should have let Tramiel
buy it like he had planned.

> Now these guys get upset cause they only sell 66 million machines a
> year. That's still a lot of PCs. They just think you should be able to
> grow forever and that's not realistic. But there is still a lot of PCs
> being sold.

Agreed but people are holding onto their machines for far longer.

--
Silver Slimer

[Silver Slimer]

Well no. He made a generalization which doesn't apply to everyone.

>>> DFS claims everyone who got Windows 10 upgrades wanted it. You'd agree
>>> with him here? His so called "Proof" is that if they didn't want it they
>>> would have removed it. You'd agree with that then?
>>
>> My father got an old laptop as a small gift from a man he does odd jobs
>> for (which ended up being a full-time job even though my dad is
>> retired). It had Windows 7 on it and Microsoft "offered" to upgrade him
>> to Windows 10. By offer, I mean that they put a window in front of him
>> that he couldn't exit from which essentially informed him that it was
>> already downloaded and would be installed. That, my friends, is
>> Microsoft's definition of choice. It absolutely disgusted me.
>
> So did DFS prove his statement?

He didn't prove it, but he was honest. I saw first-hand how aggressive
Microsoft's offers were. It's one of the things which turned me off from
them.

>>> Snit Claims he knows more about Linux then the Advocates do... His proof
>>> is that he recorded a mouse click using AppleScript to record the entire
>>> screen as Numbers, the spreadsheet changed the value of cell upwards of
>>> one with the recorded mouse click. He essentially is recording one whole
>>> frame (the screen) one and time via his screen recorder to give the
>>> illusion that the app is animated.
>>>
>>> He cannot build a Firewall, a NAS, configure NFS or even deal with
>>> simple VPN. Does that sound like proof to day?
>>
>> Snit Muhammad Al-Glasser Islam-certified Prescott Computer Guy is as
>> limited as any millennial and not a technical expert by any means.
>
> So did he prove his statements?

:)

--
Silver Slimer

[Marek Novotny]

On 2016-09-08, Silver Slimer <> wrote:

That's factored in. I'm giving you annual sales.

[William Poaster]

On 8/9/2016 17:40 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, Marek Novotny posted:

> On 2016-09-08, Silver Slimer <> wrote:

>> On 2016-09-08 8:37 AM, William Poaster wrote:
>>> On 8/9/2016 13:26 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, chrisv posted:
>>>
>>>> William Poaster wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As I've said before, I didn't post that "review".
>>>>
>>>> Surely you don't think that the assholes who troll in here require the
>>>> truth to be on their side, before they attack us...
>>>
>>> Nope. If they did, they wouldn't be trolls, would they. They just make
>>> up shit, probably scrape if from their basement/trailer floor, & fling
>>> it.
>>
>> Except the "trolls" don't actually make up shit and usually have
>> articles, screenshots and videos to prove whatever they are claiming
>> regardless of what some of you say. In this newsgroup at least, it's the
>> Linux advocates who don't prove things and not the other way around. You
>> definitely need to up your game.
>
> I disagree.
>
> DFS claims all of us Linux advocates make our living on Windows. Proof?
>

> DFS claims everyone who got Windows 10 upgrades wanted it. You'd agree
> with him here? His so called "Proof" is that if they didn't want it they
> would have removed it. You'd agree with that then?
>

> Snit Claims he knows more about Linux then the Advocates do... His proof
> is that he recorded a mouse click using AppleScript to record the entire
> screen as Numbers, the spreadsheet changed the value of cell upwards of
> one with the recorded mouse click. He essentially is recording one whole
> frame (the screen) one and time via his screen recorder to give the
> illusion that the app is animated.
>
> He cannot build a Firewall, a NAS, configure NFS or even deal with
> simple VPN. Does that sound like proof to day?

Q.E.DIn fact <Silver Slimer> himself is a troll, & trolled a.o.l.u for
quite a while, so it's no wonder he supports Glasser, DFS, Flatfish etc.

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Windows is specifically designed for people who don't understand
computing and don't want to be bothered.

[William Poaster]

On 8/9/2016 17:56 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, chrisv posted:

>> slime wrote:
>>>
>>> Except the "trolls" don't actually make up shit and usually have
>>> articles, screenshots and videos to prove whatever they are claiming
>>> regardless of what some of you say.
>

> You're making-up shit right now, lying slime.

Slimeball has done little else in *any* Linux group. I still have the
troll binned, though as the dimwit replied to my post, he seems to have
forgotten that fact.

>>> In this newsgroup at least, it's the
>>> Linux advocates who don't prove things and not the other way around. You
>>> definitely need to up your game.
>

> People don't need to prove to unreasonable, obtuse, lying, insulting
> assholes that the product they've chosen is a good choice for them.
>
> Anyone who is so GD *stupid* to not understand that a market as
> diverse as "PC users" needs a lot of choices is probably beyond hope.
>
> Why don't you and your pals fsck-off to some car group, and demand
> that people justify their decisions on what they chose?

[GreyCloud]

On this one regarding SCO, well, they bought out Caldera linux and then
later sued the other linux and business companies. They outright lied
about the situation.

Scott, I presume you mean the original creator of Sun Microsystems, sold
Sun to Oracle... the new owner then started putting linux up for a free
download. Don't know if you have to pay for support tho later on.

[Snit]

On 9/8/16, 3:14 PM, in article pe49ad-...@debian.machineone.org,

He supports me? What?

[Marek Novotny]

I think I remember him. "Straight up troll" I thnk he once said. That he
didn't care about Windows or Linux, he was just trolling on AOLU, right?
And he would turn on you when one got old. It was funny at time. A troll
would think he was on their side, then get trolled themselves. Is that
this same person?

[Marek Novotny]

Scott McKnealy. Not sure I got his name spelled correctly, but yes, one
of the founders.

Oracle cloned Rhel and they do indeed offer support, plus a choice of
their modified kernel or the 2.6 kernel in rhel, if we're talking the
6.x clone. So you can switch those in grub if you like and use Oracle's
unbreakable 4.4 kernel. Not sure what the version is off the top of my
head. 4.4 I think. And I believe the support is about $95 or $125 per
workstation.

rhel is $49 for client and $179 for ws.

[DFS]

On 9/8/2016 12:51 PM, Octavian W. Lagrange wrote:
> Silver Slimer <.m@nsn.s> wrote:

>> On 2016-09-08 12:04 PM, DFS wrote:

>>> On 9/8/2016 6:53 AM, Octavian W. Lagrange wrote:
>>>
>>>> That thing gets booted maybe once every three months, at best.
>>>> It literally sits there collecting dust.
>>>
>>>

>>> Don't talk about your wife's ladyparts like that. Go get some Viagra or
>>> something.
>>
>> LOL! Awesome reply.
>>
>
> Dufus has his moments.

heh!



> At least Mrs DFS is no longer spoofing him at the moment.


Did you see how ridiculous Trump was last night on 'Commander-In-Chief'?

Uninformed, ignorant, rambling, half-ass answers. Clinton put him to
SHAME. He has no qualifications whatsoever to be commander-in-chief of
our armed forces, let alone President of the United States.

Hell, she's twice the military man he is...

The Army vet that came on AC 360 to discuss the fiasco, Retired Lt. Gen
Mark Hertling, would get my vote long before Trump would.

I just signed the pledge: http://nevertrump.org

He's the wrong man for the job. Anyone with half a brain knows it.

[Silver Slimer]

I don't support Snit Muhammad Al-Glasser islamic penis massager, lying
imbecile and Prescott Computer Guy, I don't find DFS to be particularly
knowledgeable about American history or politics and he has since lost
my approval but I always liked flatfish. Get your facts straight.


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[Silver Slimer]

On 2016-09-08 6:15 PM, William Poaster wrote:
> On 8/9/2016 17:56 in comp.os.linux.advocacy, chrisv posted:
>
>>> slime wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Except the "trolls" don't actually make up shit and usually have
>>>> articles, screenshots and videos to prove whatever they are claiming
>>>> regardless of what some of you say.
>>
>> You're making-up shit right now, lying slime.
>
> Slimeball has done little else in *any* Linux group. I still have the
> troll binned, though as the dimwit replied to my post, he seems to have
> forgotten that fact.

I didn't forget; I just don't care. I know that you read my posts
despite your official position that I'm binned. However, whether you
read them or not makes no difference to me. You are as worthless to this
group as chrisv and Chris Ahlstrom are.

< snip >

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