Felching, Linux and the FAQ
Mark Bilk
Any comments?
Mark Bilk
wjbell
Yes. Noone take that "FAQ" seriously.
Donn Miller
>
> Mark Bilk wrote:
>
>>I feel we should add felching to the COLA FAQ.
I'm sure you (wjbell) are familiar with the topic.
> Yes. Noone take that "FAQ" seriously.
Why did you just reply to yourself? :/
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Kenneth Downs
If there was any doubt in your mind, yes, it is the same guy who is forging
Terry Porter's name.
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Ken
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Mark S Bilk
that their author is the person who uses the name "flatfish"
(among some 60 other fake identities). Evidence has been
posted identifying this individual as one Gary M. Stewart.
He has previously posted articles expressing his hatred of
homosexual people, and his belief that I'm gay (because I've
written in support of civil rights for homosexuals). The
forged post contains a derogatory sexual reference that he
thinks relates to gay men.
Please report this forgery and the others to
ab...@earthlink.net . Include a copy of the post with all
the headers; you can use the copy below:
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Path: sccrnsc02!sccrnsc01!attbi_slave01!attbi_master51!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!204.127.161.1!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail
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From: Mark Bilk <mark...@hotmail.com>
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I feel we should add felching to the COLA FAQ.
Any comments?
Mark Bilk
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.
>>This forged post, another in a series, provides further proof
>>that their author is the person who uses the name "flatfish"
>>(among some 60 other fake identities). Evidence has been
>>posted identifying this individual as one Gary M. Stewart.
> I would *strongly* suggest you back off Bilk and listen to what your
> ISP advised you to do concerning my attorney's letter to them.
> If you have a problem with other people, that's one thing, but don't
> drag me into your problems based upon idiotic conjecture and stories
> invented in your own mind
> It's not my problem that you seem to have a gift for pissing people
> off.
> Consider yourself warned, because you are most definitely NOT going to
> like the next step.
BWWWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAA
You know mark, I hate you as much as the next rational, thinking person...
But ill gladly support you on this case. If you need any help with the
exposition of flatfish's history on this or any other newsgroup, let me
know.
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GreyCloud
>
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:19:15 GMT, ma...@cosmicpenguin.com (Mark S Bilk)
> wrote:
>
> >that their author is the person who uses the name "flatfish"
> >(among some 60 other fake identities). Evidence has been
> >posted identifying this individual as one Gary M. Stewart.
>
> ISP advised you to do concerning my attorney's letter to them.
>
> If you have a problem with other people, that's one thing, but don't
> drag me into your problems based upon idiotic conjecture and stories
> invented in your own mind
>
> It's not my problem that you seem to have a gift for pissing people
> off.
>
> Consider yourself warned, because you are most definitely NOT going to
> like the next step.
>
Well, if you are skilled enough, then trace down that
hotmail account and find out who is doing this.
After all, the trolls are suspect.
Chronos Tachyon
> On 12 Apr 2002 23:48:44 GMT, yt...@mutilation.net (.) wrote:
>
[Snip]
>>
>>BWWWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAAHAHAHAAHAHAAA
>>
>>You know mark, I hate you as much as the next rational, thinking person...
>>
>>But ill gladly support you on this case. If you need any help with the
>>exposition of flatfish's history on this or any other newsgroup, let me
>>know.
>
>
> Another fool.
>
> What you don't understand is the legal system in the USA.
>
> We have stalking laws.
> We have libel laws.
> We have defamation of character laws.
>
[Snip]
(Disclaimer: I Am Not A Lawyer, this is not legal advice, ...)
I find it incomprehensible that the Judicial branch has degenerated to the
point that an anonymous pseudonym that has been in use for less than 12
months can possibly be libeled and defamed. (I cite the article below as
the earliest recorded use of the "flatfish+++" pseudonym. It is dated 19
Jul 2001, i.e. a little less than 9 months ago.) So, unless Mr. Bilk has
been sending you private harassing e-mail despite requests to stop, or Mr.
Bilk has obtained the street address, postal address, or phone number of
your household or place of employment and is presently harassing you in the
manner described, I suggest you drop any pretense of having a valid legal
case, flattie.
Earliest recorded use in Google of the "flatfish+++" pseudonym:
<http://groups.google.com/groups?
selm=20010719.123123.279764317.23771%40somewhere.nowhere>
Note than many other instances exist of people using "Flatfish" or
variations on it on Usenet prior to that date exist -- in particular,
Google has record of a 1998 alt.movies spammer -- so I find it implausible
that flattie could demonstrate that he could be defamed, slandered, or
libeled by attacking the anonymous "flatfish+++" persona.
On the original note, however, I present the following evidence that the
forger that created this thread was NOT flatfish:
* The User-Agent in the post is reported as "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U;
Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204", rather than
flattie's beloved "Forte Agent 1.9/32.560".
* Flatfish's modus operandi, "X-No-Archive: yes", is missing from
the forgery.
* The nail in the coffin: flatfish's recent posts seem to originate
with Optimum Online; the forger appears to originate at Earthlink.
To prove that the forger is flatfish, it would be necessary to
demonstrate that (a) flatfish owns an Earthlink account, and
(b) flatfish owns the specific Earthlink account that posted the
forgery.
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Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
8:17pm up 31 days, 20:25, 1 user, load average: 0.39, 0.31, 0.22
GreyCloud
>
> What you don't understand is the legal system in the USA.
>
> We have stalking laws.
> We have libel laws.
> We have defamation of character laws.
>
> time, every single email address was valid and simply a tool used to
> avoid spam, nothing more and nothing less.
>
> Totally and completely legal.
>
> There is no ISP on the face of the earth that will argue that point in
> a court of law.
>
> However, a person who libels another persons name, like flatfish,
> which can in fact be proven in a court of law as belonging to me
> having been mentioned in legitimate print, song and on the internet in
> numerous, non related messages, can be held accountable for their
> actions.
>
Who are you then, other than flatfish?? Are you really Gary
Stewart as some have claimed you are?? If you're using a
handle then that is anonymity. And you can't sue for that.
Then there is the unwarranted provocation on your behalf.
So you lose either way.
> Hell, even RMS himself makes mention of the flatfish....
>
Never heard of it.
> The firm that represents my company has issued several letters to
> those involved in libeling my name.
>
What is your name and what's the companies name??
> Some have heeded the warning, others need further stimuli and that's
> ok because I have all the time a resources in the world to do such.
>
> I would strongly suggest you associate yourself with people who at
> least have a chance of winning or deep pockets because I didn't get a
> beach front house on Long Island by being nice.
>
So you admit to being one of those litigacious types who
cheats to get ahead eh??
What goes around comes around.
Terry Porter@gronk.porter.net
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Mark Kent
>flatf...@mariana.trench wrote:
>>
>> I would strongly suggest you associate yourself with people who at
>> least have a chance of winning or deep pockets because I didn't get a
>> beach front house on Long Island by being nice.
>>
>
>So you admit to being one of those litigacious types who
>cheats to get ahead eh??
>What goes around comes around.
It's a funny thing, this idea that the failures amongst us have that
you need to be unpleasant to get anywhere - indeed, pretty much the
opposite is true, in my experience.
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doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to manage, than the creation of a
new system. For the initiator has the enmity of all who would profit by
the preservation of the old institutions and merely lukewarm defenders in
those who would gain by the new ones.
-- Machiavelli
.
> On 12 Apr 2002 23:48:44 GMT, yt...@mutilation.net (.) wrote:
> Another fool.
> What you don't understand is the legal system in the USA.
> We have stalking laws.
> We have libel laws.
> We have defamation of character laws.
> My history means absolutely nothing in a court of law because at the
> time, every single email address was valid and simply a tool used to
> avoid spam, nothing more and nothing less.
> Totally and completely legal.
Blah blah blah blah blah.
> There is no ISP on the face of the earth that will argue that point in
> a court of law.
Theres no isp in the world that would give a shit about your lame
whining.
> However, a person who libels another persons name, like flatfish,
> which can in fact be proven in a court of law as belonging to me
> having been mentioned in legitimate print, song and on the internet in
> numerous, non related messages, can be held accountable for their
> actions.
> Hell, even RMS himself makes mention of the flatfish....
> The firm that represents my company has issued several letters to
> those involved in libeling my name.
> Some have heeded the warning, others need further stimuli and that's
> ok because I have all the time a resources in the world to do such.
> I would strongly suggest you associate yourself with people who at
> least have a chance of winning or deep pockets because I didn't get a
> beach front house on Long Island by being nice.
Are you threatening me?
Donn Miller
> Blah blah blah blah blah.
[snip]
> Theres no isp in the world that would give a shit about your lame
> whining.
[snip]
> Are you threatening me?
Flatfish is merely reaping what he has sown. Remember the golden rule,
flatty? Too bad Gary doesn't have any scruples, or else he would be
familiar with this concept. His idea of scruples is total abstenance
from alcohol. Big fucking deal.
Mark Kent
>
>Mark Bilk
>
> -----------------------------------------------
>
Suggest that you change the subject on these rather offensive
ones as well, when replying?
.
> . wrote:
>> Blah blah blah blah blah.
> [snip]
>> Theres no isp in the world that would give a shit about your lame
>> whining.
> [snip]
>> Are you threatening me?
> Flatfish is merely reaping what he has sown. Remember the golden rule,
> flatty? Too bad Gary doesn't have any scruples, or else he would be
> familiar with this concept. His idea of scruples is total abstenance
> from alcohol. Big fucking deal.
Oh I understand this, and I really dont care what flatfish says or
thinks.
Unless hes threatening me. That I take very seriously.
.
> On 13 Apr 2002 13:39:26 GMT, yt...@mutilation.net (.) wrote:
>>Donn Miller <dmmi...@cvzoom.net> wrote:
>>> . wrote:
>>
>>>> Blah blah blah blah blah.
>>> [snip]
>>>> Theres no isp in the world that would give a shit about your lame
>>>> whining.
>>> [snip]
>>>> Are you threatening me?
>>
>>> Flatfish is merely reaping what he has sown. Remember the golden rule,
>>> flatty? Too bad Gary doesn't have any scruples, or else he would be
>>> familiar with this concept. His idea of scruples is total abstenance
>>> from alcohol. Big fucking deal.
>>
>>Oh I understand this, and I really dont care what flatfish says or
>>thinks.
>>
>>Unless hes threatening me. That I take very seriously.
> I'm not threatening anybody, especially you "." .
> If you took it that way, I apologize for dragging you into it as that
> was not my intent at all.
Fair enough. Accepted. Continue.
> I just don't like idiots who haven't got a clue associating me with
> some moron who is posting garbage here.
> I think you might feel the same, if the shoe were on the other foot
> especially considering the demonstrated unstable nature of those small
> few.
It has been on the other foot, and I know exactly who the morons are on this
newsgroup. Interestingly, (and somewhat expectedly) stupidity seems to
have cast itself quite evenly among the two sides of the issue.
Ian Pegel
> I feel we should add *****ing to the COLA FAQ.
>
I have learnt a new word today. Oh, my lost innocence!
--
Ian - looking through a glass onion
Nigel Feltham
> GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> espoused:
>>flatf...@mariana.trench wrote:
>>>
>>> I would strongly suggest you associate yourself with people who at
>>> least have a chance of winning or deep pockets because I didn't get a
>>> beach front house on Long Island by being nice.
>>>
>>
>>So you admit to being one of those litigacious types who
>>cheats to get ahead eh??
>>What goes around comes around.
>
> It's a funny thing, this idea that the failures amongst us have that
> you need to be unpleasant to get anywhere - indeed, pretty much the
> opposite is true, in my experience.
>
Remember the old business saying - be nice to people on the way up as you
may need them on the way back down.
GreyCloud
>
But what happened to your linux adventures?? You were doing
pretty good there for a while and then ... WHOOPS-ZIPPPPP...
off the front porch.
GreyCloud
> >> . wrote:
> >
> >>> Blah blah blah blah blah.
> >> [snip]
> >>> Theres no isp in the world that would give a shit about your lame
> >>> whining.
> >> [snip]
> >>> Are you threatening me?
> >
> >> Flatfish is merely reaping what he has sown. Remember the golden rule,
> >> flatty? Too bad Gary doesn't have any scruples, or else he would be
> >> familiar with this concept. His idea of scruples is total abstenance
> >> from alcohol. Big fucking deal.
> >
> >Oh I understand this, and I really dont care what flatfish says or
> >thinks.
> >
> >Unless hes threatening me. That I take very seriously.
>
>
> If you took it that way, I apologize for dragging you into it as that
> was not my intent at all.
>
> some moron who is posting garbage here.
>
> I think you might feel the same, if the shoe were on the other foot
> especially considering the demonstrated unstable nature of those small
> few.
>
But What's wrong with a good stiff drink now and then??