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Nobody
Nov 9, 2014, 11:58:46 AM11/9/14
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http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9174185&CatId=6957
Double Power Nobis Tablet w/ Keyboard & Case - 9" 800 x 400 Multi Touch
Display, Android 4.1 OS, Dual Core 1.5 GHz A9, Google Certified, 1GB
DDR3, 8GB Storage, Front Camera, Black - NB09K-BLK
Price:
$79.99
Nobody
Nov 9, 2014, 12:02:22 PM11/9/14
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Double Power Nobis Tablet w/ Keyboard & Case and McAfee Multi-Access 1
User 5 Devices Bundle
Item#: DOU-102582358M | Model#: NB09K-BLK Bundle
Final Price:
$69.99 * After Rebate
charles...@gmail.com
Nov 9, 2014, 12:11:02 PM11/9/14
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Chris Ahlstrom
Nov 9, 2014, 12:29:04 PM11/9/14
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charles...@gmail.com wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
Nice to have a range of price points to choose from, in my opinion, Prince
Charles.
Not everyone can afford a Surface. Although Microsoft gives them away to
the NFL as "iPad-like devices".
--
Someone on IRC was very sad about the uptime of his machine wrapping
from 497 days to 0.
-- linux-kernel
Charles.
Not everyone can afford a Surface. Although Microsoft gives them away to
the NFL as "iPad-like devices".
--
Someone on IRC was very sad about the uptime of his machine wrapping
from 497 days to 0.
-- linux-kernel
RonB
Nov 9, 2014, 12:37:58 PM11/9/14
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On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 11:02:18 -0600, Nobody wrote:
> Nobody wrote:
>>
>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?
EdpNo=9174185&CatId=6957
>>
>>
> Nobody wrote:
>>
>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?
EdpNo=9174185&CatId=6957
>>
>>
>> Double Power Nobis Tablet w/ Keyboard & Case - 9" 800 x 400 Multi Touch
>> Display, Android 4.1 OS, Dual Core 1.5 GHz A9, Google Certified, 1GB
>> DDR3, 8GB Storage, Front Camera, Black - NB09K-BLK
>>
>> Price:
>> $79.99
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?
EdpNo=9530006&csid=_22
>
> Double Power Nobis Tablet w/ Keyboard & Case and McAfee Multi-Access 1
> User 5 Devices Bundle Item#: DOU-102582358M | Model#: NB09K-BLK Bundle
>
> Final Price:
> $69.99 * After Rebate
In other words, total price after "rebate" (which you'll almost certainly
>> Display, Android 4.1 OS, Dual Core 1.5 GHz A9, Google Certified, 1GB
>> DDR3, 8GB Storage, Front Camera, Black - NB09K-BLK
>>
>> Price:
>> $79.99
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?
EdpNo=9530006&csid=_22
>
> Double Power Nobis Tablet w/ Keyboard & Case and McAfee Multi-Access 1
> User 5 Devices Bundle Item#: DOU-102582358M | Model#: NB09K-BLK Bundle
>
> Final Price:
> $69.99 * After Rebate
never get, no matter how many hoops you jump through, from TigerDirect) is
$79.99.
--
Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank.
Give a man a bank and he can rob the world.
Nobody
Nov 9, 2014, 12:46:10 PM11/9/14
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Tiger Direct. It's never involved "jumping through hoops" either, just
printing a rebate form and mailing it in with a copy of the receipt.
Nobody
Nov 9, 2014, 12:50:58 PM11/9/14
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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> charles...@gmail.com wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Sunday, November 9, 2014 12:02:22 PM UTC-5, Nobody wrote:
>>> Nobody wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9174185&CatId=6957
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Double Power Nobis Tablet w/ Keyboard & Case - 9" 800 x 400 Multi Touch
>>>> Display, Android 4.1 OS, Dual Core 1.5 GHz A9, Google Certified, 1GB
>>>> DDR3, 8GB Storage, Front Camera, Black - NB09K-BLK
>>>>
>>>> Price:
>>>> $79.99
>>>
>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9530006&csid=_22
>>>
>>> Double Power Nobis Tablet w/ Keyboard & Case and McAfee Multi-Access 1
>>> User 5 Devices Bundle
>>> Item#: DOU-102582358M | Model#: NB09K-BLK Bundle
>>>
>>> Final Price:
>>> $69.99 * After Rebate
>>
>> What a piece of junk.
>
> Nice to have a range of price points to choose from, in my opinion, Prince
> Charles.
I have that Snit sock kill filed to avoid seeing his knee-jerk responses.
> charles...@gmail.com wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Sunday, November 9, 2014 12:02:22 PM UTC-5, Nobody wrote:
>>> Nobody wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9174185&CatId=6957
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Double Power Nobis Tablet w/ Keyboard & Case - 9" 800 x 400 Multi Touch
>>>> Display, Android 4.1 OS, Dual Core 1.5 GHz A9, Google Certified, 1GB
>>>> DDR3, 8GB Storage, Front Camera, Black - NB09K-BLK
>>>>
>>>> Price:
>>>> $79.99
>>>
>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9530006&csid=_22
>>>
>>> Double Power Nobis Tablet w/ Keyboard & Case and McAfee Multi-Access 1
>>> User 5 Devices Bundle
>>> Item#: DOU-102582358M | Model#: NB09K-BLK Bundle
>>>
>>> Final Price:
>>> $69.99 * After Rebate
>>
>> What a piece of junk.
>
> Nice to have a range of price points to choose from, in my opinion, Prince
> Charles.
> Not everyone can afford a Surface. Although Microsoft gives them away to
> the NFL as "iPad-like devices".
to use a computer for. The above device includes a bigger screen than
a cell phone and a keyboard as well. A great little device for email or
checking your bank account.
You could also think of it as a OLPC device.
Tattoo Vampire
Nov 9, 2014, 1:23:15 PM11/9/14
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RonB wrote:
> In other words, total price after "rebate" (which you'll almost
> certainly never get, no matter how many hoops you jump through, from
> TigerDirect) is $79.99.
Nobis tablets are total shit.
> In other words, total price after "rebate" (which you'll almost
> certainly never get, no matter how many hoops you jump through, from
> TigerDirect) is $79.99.
--
I used to like political jokes until so many of them got elected.
Steve Carroll
Nov 9, 2014, 2:07:43 PM11/9/14
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On Sunday, November 9, 2014 11:23:15 AM UTC-7, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
> RonB wrote:
>
> > In other words, total price after "rebate" (which you'll almost
> > certainly never get, no matter how many hoops you jump through, from
> > TigerDirect) is $79.99.
>
> Nobis tablets are total shit.
Maybe... but it's pretty amazing how much technology can be had for $79.99
> RonB wrote:
>
> > In other words, total price after "rebate" (which you'll almost
> > certainly never get, no matter how many hoops you jump through, from
> > TigerDirect) is $79.99.
>
> Nobis tablets are total shit.
Silver Slimer
Nov 9, 2014, 3:11:24 PM11/9/14
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He had it running for about two months when suddenly, the wireless NIC
stopped working. Being reasonably smart, he decided to start fresh with
the device in the hope that it might be a configuration error of some
sort that caused it. However, it didn't help. The wireless NIC simply
died on him.
Having used it a bit, I have to say that it was one hell of a shitty
device but I guess you can't really expect things to work right if
you're only paying 80$ and especially if it runs GNU/Linux.
My friend also brought me his Galaxy S5 yesterday. It was a nice-looking
phone with the highlight being the OK Google Siri ripoff.
Of course, since it runs on the Linux kernel, OK Google eventually
fucked up and started responding to questions we never asked and start
ignoring questions we did ask.
--
Silver Slimer
OpenMedia Supporter
www.silverlips.ca
Archiver of GNU/Linux's many positive reviews:
"Running Linux is like taking a fat girl to the prom..and she won't even
do your homework right." - Steve
"The biggest killer of putting penguin software on the desktop is the
Linux community. If you think the Apple fanboys are completely barking,
they are role models of sanity to the loudmouthed Open Sauce religious
loonies who are out there. Like many fundamentalists they are totally
inflexible, waving a GNU as if it were handed down by God to Richard
Stallman." - Nick Farrell
Recipient of overwhelmingly positive reviews among the GNU/Linux advocates:
- "Low life at its best. But thats what you are. Worth a lot less than
stinking contaminated dirt" - Peter Köhlmann
- "He's a rotten POS." - Chris Ahlstrom AKA The Pee-Pee Wiper
(http://bit.ly/1wg0lkd)
- "He's a troll, that's his stock and trade." - RonB
- "Slimer is a filthy hater, liar and fraud IMHO." - Marti Van Lin
- "We know that it was the "Slimer", the shameless liar who takes pride,
apparently, in being a worthless trolling asshole." - chrisv
Chris Ahlstrom
Nov 9, 2014, 3:24:12 PM11/9/14
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Tattoo Vampire wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
> RonB wrote:
>
>> In other words, total price after "rebate" (which you'll almost
>> certainly never get, no matter how many hoops you jump through, from
>> TigerDirect) is $79.99.
>
> Nobis tablets are total shit.
How so? Have you bought one?
--
Marriage is the only adventure open to the cowardly.
-- Voltaire
> RonB wrote:
>
>> In other words, total price after "rebate" (which you'll almost
>> certainly never get, no matter how many hoops you jump through, from
>> TigerDirect) is $79.99.
>
> Nobis tablets are total shit.
--
Marriage is the only adventure open to the cowardly.
-- Voltaire
Steve Carroll
Nov 9, 2014, 3:26:41 PM11/9/14
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On Sunday, November 9, 2014 1:11:24 PM UTC-7, Silver Slimer wrote:
> On 2014-11-09 11:58 AM, Nobody wrote:
> >
> > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9174185&CatId=6957
> >
> >
> > Double Power Nobis Tablet w/ Keyboard & Case - 9" 800 x 400 Multi Touch
> > Display, Android 4.1 OS, Dual Core 1.5 GHz A9, Google Certified, 1GB
> > DDR3, 8GB Storage, Front Camera, Black - NB09K-BLK
> >
> > Price:
> > $79.99
>
> One of my students had one of these actually.
>
> He had it running for about two months when suddenly, the wireless NIC
> stopped working. Being reasonably smart, he decided to start fresh with
> the device in the hope that it might be a configuration error of some
> sort that caused it. However, it didn't help. The wireless NIC simply
> died on him.
Good thing there's a 12 month manufacturer warranty on parts so one can "reasonably" assume this "student" exchanged it. Hehe ;)
> On 2014-11-09 11:58 AM, Nobody wrote:
> >
> > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9174185&CatId=6957
> >
> >
> > Double Power Nobis Tablet w/ Keyboard & Case - 9" 800 x 400 Multi Touch
> > Display, Android 4.1 OS, Dual Core 1.5 GHz A9, Google Certified, 1GB
> > DDR3, 8GB Storage, Front Camera, Black - NB09K-BLK
> >
> > Price:
> > $79.99
>
> One of my students had one of these actually.
>
> He had it running for about two months when suddenly, the wireless NIC
> stopped working. Being reasonably smart, he decided to start fresh with
> the device in the hope that it might be a configuration error of some
> sort that caused it. However, it didn't help. The wireless NIC simply
> died on him.
In that price range you can buy a new one every year (costs $6-7 a month).
Silver Slimer
Nov 9, 2014, 7:18:55 PM11/9/14
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On 09/11/2014 3:24 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Tattoo Vampire wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> RonB wrote:
>>
>>> In other words, total price after "rebate" (which you'll almost
>>> certainly never get, no matter how many hoops you jump through, from
>>> TigerDirect) is $79.99.
>>
>> Nobis tablets are total shit.
>
> How so? Have you bought one?
The fact that an effeminate toddler like you is considering its purchase
> Tattoo Vampire wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> RonB wrote:
>>
>>> In other words, total price after "rebate" (which you'll almost
>>> certainly never get, no matter how many hoops you jump through, from
>>> TigerDirect) is $79.99.
>>
>> Nobis tablets are total shit.
>
> How so? Have you bought one?
is enough evidence anyone needs that the product is awful.
Archivist of GNU/Linux's many positive reviews:
7
Nov 9, 2014, 7:25:17 PM11/9/14
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Nobody wrote:
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-
to the point I've dropped many of these many times and they just keep going.
Even if the screen is cracked they just keep going and going.
Even if the connectors are wrenched out of shape, they keep going. Even if
you change the SIMs, and change country, they just keep going and going.
Its going to be a hard act to follow for the bigger players.
The $200 phablet sound quality and video quality is just amazing.
Massive talk times, massive video watch times and for a very low price.
The software and hardware features are also getting to be a must have.
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-
details.asp?EdpNo=9174185&CatId=6957
>
> Double Power Nobis Tablet w/ Keyboard & Case - 9" 800 x 400 Multi Touch
> Display, Android 4.1 OS, Dual Core 1.5 GHz A9, Google Certified, 1GB
> DDR3, 8GB Storage, Front Camera, Black - NB09K-BLK
>
> Price:
> $79.99
The low priced China tablets are now getting to be incredibly reliable
>
> Double Power Nobis Tablet w/ Keyboard & Case - 9" 800 x 400 Multi Touch
> Display, Android 4.1 OS, Dual Core 1.5 GHz A9, Google Certified, 1GB
> DDR3, 8GB Storage, Front Camera, Black - NB09K-BLK
>
> Price:
> $79.99
to the point I've dropped many of these many times and they just keep going.
Even if the screen is cracked they just keep going and going.
Even if the connectors are wrenched out of shape, they keep going. Even if
you change the SIMs, and change country, they just keep going and going.
Its going to be a hard act to follow for the bigger players.
The $200 phablet sound quality and video quality is just amazing.
Massive talk times, massive video watch times and for a very low price.
The software and hardware features are also getting to be a must have.
Lloyd Parsons
Nov 9, 2014, 7:33:15 PM11/9/14
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flatfish+++
Nov 9, 2014, 7:44:39 PM11/9/14
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You beat me to it....
Chris Ahlstrom should be along any second now to +1 his post.
--
flatfish+++
Linux: The Operating System That Put The City Of Munich Out Of
Business.
Before Switching To Linux Read This:
http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html
Silver Slimer
Nov 9, 2014, 9:01:56 PM11/9/14
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On 09/11/2014 7:25 PM, 7 wrote:
> Nobody wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-
> details.asp?EdpNo=9174185&CatId=6957
>>
>> Double Power Nobis Tablet w/ Keyboard & Case - 9" 800 x 400 Multi Touch
>> Display, Android 4.1 OS, Dual Core 1.5 GHz A9, Google Certified, 1GB
>> DDR3, 8GB Storage, Front Camera, Black - NB09K-BLK
>>
>> Price:
>> $79.99
>
>
> The low priced China tablets are now getting to be incredibly reliable
> to the point I've dropped many of these many times and they just keep going.
You're such a fanatic that you'll buy more than one of a GNU/Linux
> Nobody wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-
> details.asp?EdpNo=9174185&CatId=6957
>>
>> Double Power Nobis Tablet w/ Keyboard & Case - 9" 800 x 400 Multi Touch
>> Display, Android 4.1 OS, Dual Core 1.5 GHz A9, Google Certified, 1GB
>> DDR3, 8GB Storage, Front Camera, Black - NB09K-BLK
>>
>> Price:
>> $79.99
>
>
> The low priced China tablets are now getting to be incredibly reliable
> to the point I've dropped many of these many times and they just keep going.
product, eh? It must truly be sad to be you.
Silver Slimer
Nov 9, 2014, 9:02:44 PM11/9/14
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On 09/11/2014 7:33 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> Complete and utter bullshit.
Did you expect any less from 7?
> Complete and utter bullshit.
Did you expect any less from 7?
RonB
Nov 10, 2014, 1:28:20 PM11/10/14
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On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 11:46:07 -0600, Nobody wrote:
> I've never had a problem getting a rebate for something I purchased from
> Tiger Direct. It's never involved "jumping through hoops" either, just
> printing a rebate form and mailing it in with a copy of the receipt.
My brother bought a TV from them and was supposed to get a $60 rebate. He
> I've never had a problem getting a rebate for something I purchased from
> Tiger Direct. It's never involved "jumping through hoops" either, just
> printing a rebate form and mailing it in with a copy of the receipt.
jumped through all the hoops, sent his rebate information within a day or
two -- and waited ... and waited -- finally he got hold of TigerDirect.
"We never received the information, please resend it including the
ORIGINAL receipt." The original receipt, of course, was already sent, with
the original paperwork. He looked up Tiger Direct scams, found out there
were many, many complaints of the same thing -- claiming they never got
the paperwork (the post office must be terrible in their neck of the
woods). Tiger Direct tries to blame it on the "rebate company they work
with." Turns out the "rebate company they work with" is owned by the same
parent company that owns Tiger Direct. This is the second rebate company
Tiger Direct has "dealt with" and the original was owned by Tiger Direct's
parent company also. The first one was shut down because of complaints.
It's a scam. Until this happened to my brother, I used to buy quite a bit
from TigerDirect. No more.
http://slickdeals.net/f/6427558-rebate-fraud-tigerdirect-4myrebate-com
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/specific_search/tiger%20direct
7
Nov 10, 2014, 6:25:49 PM11/10/14
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I got more than two dozen phablets, tablets and smartphones
and not one is truly broken despite
huge amount of abuse over the years.
flatfish+++
Nov 10, 2014, 6:38:36 PM11/10/14
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2014 23:25:39 +0000, 7 wrote:
> Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
>
>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-
>> details.asp?EdpNo=9174185&CatId=6957
>>>
>>> Double Power Nobis Tablet w/ Keyboard & Case - 9" 800 x 400 Multi Touch
>>> Display, Android 4.1 OS, Dual Core 1.5 GHz A9, Google Certified, 1GB
>>> DDR3, 8GB Storage, Front Camera, Black - NB09K-BLK
>>>
>>> Price:
>>> $79.99
>>
>>
>> The low priced China tablets are now getting to be incredibly reliable
>> to the point I've dropped many of these many times and they just keep
>> going. Even if the screen is cracked they just keep going and going.
>> Even if the connectors are wrenched out of shape, they keep going. Even if
>> you change the SIMs, and change country, they just keep going and going.
>> Its going to be a hard act to follow for the bigger players.
>> The $200 phablet sound quality and video quality is just amazing.
>> Massive talk times, massive video watch times and for a very low price.
>> The software and hardware features are also getting to be a must have.
>>
>> Complete and utter bullshit.
> Thats a bit rich coming from a known Lying Appil troll.
"Rich" is a word you should remove from your vocabulary, 7 = Joseph
> Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
>
>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-
>> details.asp?EdpNo=9174185&CatId=6957
>>>
>>> Double Power Nobis Tablet w/ Keyboard & Case - 9" 800 x 400 Multi Touch
>>> Display, Android 4.1 OS, Dual Core 1.5 GHz A9, Google Certified, 1GB
>>> DDR3, 8GB Storage, Front Camera, Black - NB09K-BLK
>>>
>>> Price:
>>> $79.99
>>
>>
>> The low priced China tablets are now getting to be incredibly reliable
>> to the point I've dropped many of these many times and they just keep
>> going. Even if the screen is cracked they just keep going and going.
>> Even if the connectors are wrenched out of shape, they keep going. Even if
>> you change the SIMs, and change country, they just keep going and going.
>> Its going to be a hard act to follow for the bigger players.
>> The $200 phablet sound quality and video quality is just amazing.
>> Massive talk times, massive video watch times and for a very low price.
>> The software and hardware features are also getting to be a must have.
>>
>> Complete and utter bullshit.
> Thats a bit rich coming from a known Lying Appil troll.
Michael.
Rich is something you will never be.
> I got more than two dozen phablets, tablets and smartphones
> and not one is truly broken despite
> huge amount of abuse over the years.
No wonder you still live in your parent's house,Joseph Michael.
After all, your $50k salary doesn't go far these days.
Especially if you waste it on junk like two dozen tablets.
Lloyd Parsons
Nov 10, 2014, 7:21:39 PM11/10/14
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--
Lloyd
Silver Slimer
Nov 10, 2014, 7:24:24 PM11/10/14
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On 10/11/2014 6:25 PM, 7 wrote:
> Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
>
>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-
>> details.asp?EdpNo=9174185&CatId=6957
>>>
>>> Double Power Nobis Tablet w/ Keyboard & Case - 9" 800 x 400 Multi Touch
>>> Display, Android 4.1 OS, Dual Core 1.5 GHz A9, Google Certified, 1GB
>>> DDR3, 8GB Storage, Front Camera, Black - NB09K-BLK
>>>
>>> Price:
>>> $79.99
>>
>>
>> The low priced China tablets are now getting to be incredibly reliable
>> to the point I've dropped many of these many times and they just keep
>> going. Even if the screen is cracked they just keep going and going.
>> Even if the connectors are wrenched out of shape, they keep going. Even if
>> you change the SIMs, and change country, they just keep going and going.
>> Its going to be a hard act to follow for the bigger players.
>> The $200 phablet sound quality and video quality is just amazing.
>> Massive talk times, massive video watch times and for a very low price.
>> The software and hardware features are also getting to be a must have.
>>
>> Complete and utter bullshit.
>
> Thats a bit rich coming from a known Lying Appil troll.
As opposed to a known, lying GNUslim troll?
> Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
>
>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-
>> details.asp?EdpNo=9174185&CatId=6957
>>>
>>> Double Power Nobis Tablet w/ Keyboard & Case - 9" 800 x 400 Multi Touch
>>> Display, Android 4.1 OS, Dual Core 1.5 GHz A9, Google Certified, 1GB
>>> DDR3, 8GB Storage, Front Camera, Black - NB09K-BLK
>>>
>>> Price:
>>> $79.99
>>
>>
>> The low priced China tablets are now getting to be incredibly reliable
>> to the point I've dropped many of these many times and they just keep
>> going. Even if the screen is cracked they just keep going and going.
>> Even if the connectors are wrenched out of shape, they keep going. Even if
>> you change the SIMs, and change country, they just keep going and going.
>> Its going to be a hard act to follow for the bigger players.
>> The $200 phablet sound quality and video quality is just amazing.
>> Massive talk times, massive video watch times and for a very low price.
>> The software and hardware features are also getting to be a must have.
>>
>> Complete and utter bullshit.
>
> Thats a bit rich coming from a known Lying Appil troll.
> I got more than two dozen phablets, tablets and smartphones
> and not one is truly broken despite
> huge amount of abuse over the years.
smartphones is testament to the fact that none of these age well, are
likely broken AND that you're a mentally-ill fanatic.
DFS
Nov 10, 2014, 7:45:19 PM11/10/14
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Chinese junk from the alibaba website
http://www.alibaba.com/Tablet-PC_pid100005062
chrisv
Nov 11, 2014, 7:54:29 AM11/11/14
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7 wrote:
> "Lloyd" wrote:
>>
>> Complete and utter bullshit.
>
>Thats a bit rich coming from a known Lying Appil troll.
"Lloyd" likes to accuse others of lying, with *zero* justification.
He used to claim that my "snipped, unread" were lies, and that I
actually read the entire post. One would think that *some* evidence
would be needed, before calling someone a "liar". But no evidence is
required, for hateful assholes like "Lloyd".
Like many liars, "Lloyd" has difficulty understanding that some people
actually care about being honest, and don't *lie* just because they
think they can get-away with it.
--
"In the meantime, you linuxloons, all 2% of the market of you, just
keep showing in this group just what hateful assholes you really are.
Probably explains why you can't even give away Linux on the desktop."
- "Lloyd"
> "Lloyd" wrote:
>>
>> Complete and utter bullshit.
>
>Thats a bit rich coming from a known Lying Appil troll.
He used to claim that my "snipped, unread" were lies, and that I
actually read the entire post. One would think that *some* evidence
would be needed, before calling someone a "liar". But no evidence is
required, for hateful assholes like "Lloyd".
Like many liars, "Lloyd" has difficulty understanding that some people
actually care about being honest, and don't *lie* just because they
think they can get-away with it.
--
"In the meantime, you linuxloons, all 2% of the market of you, just
keep showing in this group just what hateful assholes you really are.
Probably explains why you can't even give away Linux on the desktop."
- "Lloyd"
Lloyd Parsons
Nov 11, 2014, 8:05:52 AM11/11/14
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On 11 Nov 2014 06:54, chrisv wrote:
> 7 wrote:
>
>> "Lloyd" wrote:
>>>
>>> Complete and utter bullshit.
>>
>>Thats a bit rich coming from a known Lying Appil troll.
>
> "Lloyd" likes to accuse others of lying, with *zero* justification.
> He used to claim that my "snipped, unread" were lies, and that I
> actually read the entire post. One would think that *some* evidence
> would be needed, before calling someone a "liar". But no evidence is
> required, for hateful assholes like "Lloyd".
>
> Like many liars, "Lloyd" has difficulty understanding that some people
> actually care about being honest, and don't *lie* just because they
> think they can get-away with it.
>
Defending '7' now? You really shouldn't start drinking so early. :)
> 7 wrote:
>
>> "Lloyd" wrote:
>>>
>>> Complete and utter bullshit.
>>
>>Thats a bit rich coming from a known Lying Appil troll.
>
> "Lloyd" likes to accuse others of lying, with *zero* justification.
> He used to claim that my "snipped, unread" were lies, and that I
> actually read the entire post. One would think that *some* evidence
> would be needed, before calling someone a "liar". But no evidence is
> required, for hateful assholes like "Lloyd".
>
> Like many liars, "Lloyd" has difficulty understanding that some people
> actually care about being honest, and don't *lie* just because they
> think they can get-away with it.
>
--
Lloyd
Tattoo Vampire
Nov 11, 2014, 8:07:13 AM11/11/14
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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> How so? Have you bought one?
Yeah, I got one for my granddaughter. Specs weren't too horrible but the
> How so? Have you bought one?
display was terrible. It would randomly freeze while in operation. After
two weeks it went into an endless initial setup cycle. I sent it back,
got another, it too was crap. Got my money back.
Tattoo Vampire
Nov 11, 2014, 8:09:23 AM11/11/14
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Steve Carroll wrote:
> Maybe... but it's pretty amazing how much technology can be had for
> $79.99
I went through two of them trying to get my small granddaughter something
> Maybe... but it's pretty amazing how much technology can be had for
> $79.99
she could use. The first one conked out after a week, the replacement had
something wrong with the display. I got my money back and bought her a
name brand tablet.
chrisv
Nov 11, 2014, 8:18:13 AM11/11/14
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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> charles...@gmail.com wrote:
committees required.
--
"If you have a couple of good choices, what's the value in also adding
some worse choices?" - Comrad ZnU, arguing that "a couple of
good choices" is all that's needed to satisfy the smartphone market.
> charles...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Nobody wrote:
>>>
>>> Final Price:
>>> $69.99 * After Rebate
>>
>> What a piece of junk.
>
>Nice to have a range of price points to choose from, in my opinion, Prince
>Charles.
Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out. No bickering or
>> Nobody wrote:
>>>
>>> Final Price:
>>> $69.99 * After Rebate
>>
>> What a piece of junk.
>
>Nice to have a range of price points to choose from, in my opinion, Prince
>Charles.
committees required.
--
"If you have a couple of good choices, what's the value in also adding
some worse choices?" - Comrad ZnU, arguing that "a couple of
good choices" is all that's needed to satisfy the smartphone market.
Chris Ahlstrom
Nov 11, 2014, 8:21:22 AM11/11/14
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Tattoo Vampire wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> How so? Have you bought one?
>
> Yeah, I got one for my granddaughter. Specs weren't too horrible but the
> display was terrible. It would randomly freeze while in operation. After
> two weeks it went into an endless initial setup cycle. I sent it back,
> got another, it too was crap. Got my money back.
What a shame!
>
>> How so? Have you bought one?
>
> Yeah, I got one for my granddaughter. Specs weren't too horrible but the
> display was terrible. It would randomly freeze while in operation. After
> two weeks it went into an endless initial setup cycle. I sent it back,
> got another, it too was crap. Got my money back.
I've been pretty happy with my $80 (Christmas special last year) Nook HD,
though it would be nicer if had a camera.
--
You humans are all alike.
Lloyd Parsons
Nov 11, 2014, 8:24:26 AM11/11/14
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From what I've read the Amazon Fire is about the same.
Android isn't my cup of tea, but some of the cheaper tablets seem to be
OK, if not great.
--
Lloyd
Silver Slimer
Nov 11, 2014, 8:56:01 AM11/11/14
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On 11/11/2014 7:54 AM, chrisv wrote:
> 7 wrote:
>
>> "Lloyd" wrote:
>>>
>>> Complete and utter bullshit.
>>
>> Thats a bit rich coming from a known Lying Appil troll.
>
> "Lloyd" likes to accuse others of lying, with *zero* justification.
WHAT??? *YOU* are the only person to do that. Nobody else is as willing
> 7 wrote:
>
>> "Lloyd" wrote:
>>>
>>> Complete and utter bullshit.
>>
>> Thats a bit rich coming from a known Lying Appil troll.
>
> "Lloyd" likes to accuse others of lying, with *zero* justification.
to call others a liar as you are. Meanwhile, never _ONCE_ have you ever
submitted a reasoning or evidence that someone is lying you repulsive
hypocrite.
> He used to claim that my "snipped, unread" were lies, and that I
> actually read the entire post. One would think that *some* evidence
> would be needed, before calling someone a "liar". But no evidence is
> required, for hateful assholes like "Lloyd".
> Like many liars, "Lloyd" has difficulty understanding that some people
> actually care about being honest, and don't *lie* just because they
> think they can get-away with it.
Silver Slimer
Nov 11, 2014, 9:04:13 AM11/11/14
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On 11/11/2014 8:18 AM, chrisv wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> charles...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Nobody wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Final Price: $69.99 * After Rebate
>>>
>>> What a piece of junk.
>>
>> Nice to have a range of price points to choose from, in my opinion,
>> Prince Charles.
>
> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out. No bickering
> or committees required.
And if the market DOES sort it out but the shoddy product just happens
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> charles...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Nobody wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Final Price: $69.99 * After Rebate
>>>
>>> What a piece of junk.
>>
>> Nice to have a range of price points to choose from, in my opinion,
>> Prince Charles.
>
> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out. No bickering
> or committees required.
to be running Linux, you'll be there to defend it. Instead of admitting
that the product was shit, you'll blatantly lie and claim that Microsoft
bought off the resellers or something equally stupid.
DFS
Nov 11, 2014, 9:38:44 AM11/11/14
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On 11/11/2014 8:18 AM, chrisv wrote:
> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out.
And that's EXACTLY why the usage share of desktop Linux is so low.
Ezekiel
Nov 11, 2014, 9:40:17 AM11/11/14
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"Silver Slimer" <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote in message
news:m3t50g$an2$3...@dont-email.me...
Here's how it works. If it's a shitty Linux product like most of these
sub-$100 "craplets" then it's choice and the market will sort it out. If
there's any sort of defect in a Microsoft or Apple product then the product
is shit and the company is incompetent.
This is the type of thinking required to be a proper "advocate."
--
Oh right. The junk Apple has made in China with near slave labor, but with
their logo on it, is perfectly safe at all times. The after-market junk
made in China with near slave labor, without the Apple logo, is always "oh
so dangerous." What disingenuous bullshit. And spoken like a true
iCultist. Apple is trying to lock out after-market products because of
their greed. They simply want to make more money. Point, blank, period.
The RonB/wRonG idiot frothing over something he's too stupid to understand.
Sept 2013
news:m3t50g$an2$3...@dont-email.me...
sub-$100 "craplets" then it's choice and the market will sort it out. If
there's any sort of defect in a Microsoft or Apple product then the product
is shit and the company is incompetent.
This is the type of thinking required to be a proper "advocate."
--
Oh right. The junk Apple has made in China with near slave labor, but with
their logo on it, is perfectly safe at all times. The after-market junk
made in China with near slave labor, without the Apple logo, is always "oh
so dangerous." What disingenuous bullshit. And spoken like a true
iCultist. Apple is trying to lock out after-market products because of
their greed. They simply want to make more money. Point, blank, period.
The RonB/wRonG idiot frothing over something he's too stupid to understand.
Sept 2013
flatfish+++
Nov 11, 2014, 9:51:22 AM11/11/14
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Like I've said before:
1. Offer something that the public is interested in and that fills a
need and people will stand in line for it. Apple is one example, so
is Android.
2. Offer something that is crap, does virtually nothing better than
what is already being offered and in fact does most things worse, and
people will ignore it.
That's Linux.
Ezekiel
Nov 11, 2014, 9:55:38 AM11/11/14
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"DFS" <nos...@dfs.com> wrote in message news:m3t717$io0$1...@dont-email.me...
in the history of the planet that is so superior to the alternatives and is
completely free yet it's dismal usage is because nobody has ever heard of
it.
If there was a free soda that was superior to a 75-cent bottle of Coke the
world would know about it and would drink it. Certainly if there was a free
product that was as good as a one that cost $50-$1000 word would get out and
it would spread very fast. If there was a free TV set or a free vacuum
cleaner that was better than the $300 models what would the marketshare
breakdown look like for those products?
But it's only desktop Linux that's this gigantic secret.
--
X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 (Windows only)
"I buy a lot of Windows PC's to use as test stations, and I've been buying
refurbished XP machines and have no plans to change."
"Home Premium OEM is available for $100 online... My daughter runs it"
"(Windows) is the right choice for my daughter"
> On 11/11/2014 8:18 AM, chrisv wrote:
>
>
>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out.
>
>
> And that's EXACTLY why the usage share of desktop Linux is so low.
>
But it's "different" with Linux. Somehow desktop Linux is the only product
>
>
>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out.
>
>
> And that's EXACTLY why the usage share of desktop Linux is so low.
>
in the history of the planet that is so superior to the alternatives and is
completely free yet it's dismal usage is because nobody has ever heard of
it.
If there was a free soda that was superior to a 75-cent bottle of Coke the
world would know about it and would drink it. Certainly if there was a free
product that was as good as a one that cost $50-$1000 word would get out and
it would spread very fast. If there was a free TV set or a free vacuum
cleaner that was better than the $300 models what would the marketshare
breakdown look like for those products?
But it's only desktop Linux that's this gigantic secret.
--
X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 (Windows only)
"I buy a lot of Windows PC's to use as test stations, and I've been buying
refurbished XP machines and have no plans to change."
"Home Premium OEM is available for $100 online... My daughter runs it"
"(Windows) is the right choice for my daughter"
Lloyd Parsons
Nov 11, 2014, 10:05:26 AM11/11/14
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On 11 Nov 2014 09:55, "Ezekiel" wrote:
> "DFS" <nos...@dfs.com> wrote in message news:m3t717$io0$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 11/11/2014 8:18 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out.
>>
>>
>> And that's EXACTLY why the usage share of desktop Linux is so low.
>>
>
> But it's "different" with Linux. Somehow desktop Linux is the only product
> in the history of the planet that is so superior to the alternatives and is
> completely free yet it's dismal usage is because nobody has ever heard of
> it.
>
And of course, that is in spite of it taking up massive shelf space in
> "DFS" <nos...@dfs.com> wrote in message news:m3t717$io0$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 11/11/2014 8:18 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out.
>>
>>
>> And that's EXACTLY why the usage share of desktop Linux is so low.
>>
>
> But it's "different" with Linux. Somehow desktop Linux is the only product
> in the history of the planet that is so superior to the alternatives and is
> completely free yet it's dismal usage is because nobody has ever heard of
> it.
>
bookstores around the US just a few short years ago. You couldn't
swing a cat in a bookstore without hitting some 'linux' book with at
least one CD with at least one distro on it.
IMO, it isn't that Linux for the desktop is bad, it is that it doesn't
bring enough to the table to make it interesting for the vast majority
of the computer users.
> If there was a free soda that was superior to a 75-cent bottle of Coke the
> world would know about it and would drink it. Certainly if there was a free
> product that was as good as a one that cost $50-$1000 word would get out and
> it would spread very fast. If there was a free TV set or a free vacuum
> cleaner that was better than the $300 models what would the marketshare
> breakdown look like for those products?
>
with little problem. Only Linux desktop has managed to remain free and
no one cares at all.
--
Lloyd
flatfish+++
Nov 11, 2014, 10:11:02 AM11/11/14
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:55:40 -0500, Ezekiel wrote:
> "DFS" <nos...@dfs.com> wrote in message news:m3t717$io0$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 11/11/2014 8:18 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out.
>>
>>
>> And that's EXACTLY why the usage share of desktop Linux is so low.
>>
>
> But it's "different" with Linux. Somehow desktop Linux is the only product
> in the history of the planet that is so superior to the alternatives and is
> completely free yet it's dismal usage is because nobody has ever heard of
> it.
>
> If there was a free soda that was superior to a 75-cent bottle of Coke the
> world would know about it and would drink it. Certainly if there was a free
> product that was as good as a one that cost $50-$1000 word would get out and
> it would spread very fast. If there was a free TV set or a free vacuum
> cleaner that was better than the $300 models what would the marketshare
> breakdown look like for those products?
>
> But it's only desktop Linux that's this gigantic secret.
It's pretty pathetic that desktop Linux has been free for 20+ years
> "DFS" <nos...@dfs.com> wrote in message news:m3t717$io0$1...@dont-email.me...
>> On 11/11/2014 8:18 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out.
>>
>>
>> And that's EXACTLY why the usage share of desktop Linux is so low.
>>
>
> But it's "different" with Linux. Somehow desktop Linux is the only product
> in the history of the planet that is so superior to the alternatives and is
> completely free yet it's dismal usage is because nobody has ever heard of
> it.
>
> If there was a free soda that was superior to a 75-cent bottle of Coke the
> world would know about it and would drink it. Certainly if there was a free
> product that was as good as a one that cost $50-$1000 word would get out and
> it would spread very fast. If there was a free TV set or a free vacuum
> cleaner that was better than the $300 models what would the marketshare
> breakdown look like for those products?
>
> But it's only desktop Linux that's this gigantic secret.
and is still virtually ignored by the masses. And when you consider
that Microsoft has made some major mistakes over the years (WinME,
Vista,etc) it becomes even more pathetic how Linux could not
capitalize on these errors.
The truth is, desktop Linux sucks for most people and that is the
real reason why it has not gained any traction.
Silver Slimer
Nov 11, 2014, 10:29:48 AM11/11/14
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On 11/11/2014 9:40 AM, Ezekiel wrote:
> "Silver Slimer" <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote in message
> news:m3t50g$an2$3...@dont-email.me...
>> On 11/11/2014 8:18 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> charles...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Final Price: $69.99 * After Rebate
>>>>>
>>>>> What a piece of junk.
>>>>
>>>> Nice to have a range of price points to choose from, in my opinion,
>>>> Prince Charles.
>>>
>>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out. No bickering
>>> or committees required.
>>
>> And if the market DOES sort it out but the shoddy product just happens to
>> be running Linux, you'll be there to defend it. Instead of admitting that
>> the product was shit, you'll blatantly lie and claim that Microsoft bought
>> off the resellers or something equally stupid.
>>
>
> Here's how it works. If it's a shitty Linux product like most of these
> sub-$100 "craplets" then it's choice and the market will sort it out. If
> there's any sort of defect in a Microsoft or Apple product then the product
> is shit and the company is incompetent.
>
> This is the type of thinking required to be a proper "advocate."
It's sad but it's entirely true. The fact that GNU/Linux can be used on
> "Silver Slimer" <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote in message
> news:m3t50g$an2$3...@dont-email.me...
>> On 11/11/2014 8:18 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> charles...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Final Price: $69.99 * After Rebate
>>>>>
>>>>> What a piece of junk.
>>>>
>>>> Nice to have a range of price points to choose from, in my opinion,
>>>> Prince Charles.
>>>
>>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out. No bickering
>>> or committees required.
>>
>> And if the market DOES sort it out but the shoddy product just happens to
>> be running Linux, you'll be there to defend it. Instead of admitting that
>> the product was shit, you'll blatantly lie and claim that Microsoft bought
>> off the resellers or something equally stupid.
>>
>
> Here's how it works. If it's a shitty Linux product like most of these
> sub-$100 "craplets" then it's choice and the market will sort it out. If
> there's any sort of defect in a Microsoft or Apple product then the product
> is shit and the company is incompetent.
>
> This is the type of thinking required to be a proper "advocate."
both the shittiest and best hardware is somehow a strength but the fact
that inexpensive hardware using a fairly-snappy version of Windows might
break within three years (rather than three weeks like GNU/Linux
products) is evidence that Microsoft is evil and incompetent.
Ezekiel
Nov 11, 2014, 10:34:01 AM11/11/14
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"Lloyd Parsons" <lloy...@live.com> wrote in message
news:ccemtj...@mid.individual.net...
on whatever icon they need.
But the problems are:
#1) They'll have to give up their Windows/Mac apps that they've been
using for years.
#2) Many of the desktop apps to replace their existing Win/Mac apps
simply aren't as good.
#3) The best FOSS apps they would be interested in (Audacity, OpenOffice,
VLC, etc) already run on Win/Mac
#4) Support. People already have friends/neighbors/co-workers who use
Win/Mac. With Linux someone is "on their own."
#5) Yes, there is the web for support. But what works with Ubuntu doesn't
work with Suse and what works with Suse doesn't work with Mint and Mint is
different than Arch etc, etc. And what works with Ubuntu 14.10 is different
than Ubuntu 14.04 which is different yet from Ubuntu 13.10. Good luck for
someone who just wants to get something to work.
>> If there was a free soda that was superior to a 75-cent bottle of Coke
>> the
>> world would know about it and would drink it. Certainly if there was a
>> free
>> product that was as good as a one that cost $50-$1000 word would get out
>> and
>> it would spread very fast. If there was a free TV set or a free vacuum
>> cleaner that was better than the $300 models what would the marketshare
>> breakdown look like for those products?
>>
> Yep, in any other market a better, cheaper product would find a market
> with little problem. Only Linux desktop has managed to remain free and
> no one cares at all.
People are willing to work and spend time and create a Hackintosh or pirate
Windows instead of using something that's freely available. There's likely
fewer Linux users in the world than people who are running a pirated copy of
Windows. What does that tell you?
--
"Knowing 'Word or Excel' is a hindrance."
The "Hardon" moron (now "Crabbit Bampot")
(now some other nym)
news:ccemtj...@mid.individual.net...
> On 11 Nov 2014 09:55, "Ezekiel" wrote:
>> "DFS" <nos...@dfs.com> wrote in message
>> news:m3t717$io0$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 11/11/2014 8:18 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out.
>>>
>>>
>>> And that's EXACTLY why the usage share of desktop Linux is so low.
>>>
>>
>> But it's "different" with Linux. Somehow desktop Linux is the only
>> product
>> in the history of the planet that is so superior to the alternatives and
>> is
>> completely free yet it's dismal usage is because nobody has ever heard of
>> it.
>>
> And of course, that is in spite of it taking up massive shelf space in
> bookstores around the US just a few short years ago. You couldn't
> swing a cat in a bookstore without hitting some 'linux' book with at
> least one CD with at least one distro on it.
>
> IMO, it isn't that Linux for the desktop is bad, it is that it doesn't
> bring enough to the table to make it interesting for the vast majority
> of the computer users.
People can figure out the "desktop" just fine and they'll be able to click
>> "DFS" <nos...@dfs.com> wrote in message
>> news:m3t717$io0$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 11/11/2014 8:18 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out.
>>>
>>>
>>> And that's EXACTLY why the usage share of desktop Linux is so low.
>>>
>>
>> But it's "different" with Linux. Somehow desktop Linux is the only
>> product
>> in the history of the planet that is so superior to the alternatives and
>> is
>> completely free yet it's dismal usage is because nobody has ever heard of
>> it.
>>
> And of course, that is in spite of it taking up massive shelf space in
> bookstores around the US just a few short years ago. You couldn't
> swing a cat in a bookstore without hitting some 'linux' book with at
> least one CD with at least one distro on it.
>
> IMO, it isn't that Linux for the desktop is bad, it is that it doesn't
> bring enough to the table to make it interesting for the vast majority
> of the computer users.
on whatever icon they need.
But the problems are:
#1) They'll have to give up their Windows/Mac apps that they've been
using for years.
#2) Many of the desktop apps to replace their existing Win/Mac apps
simply aren't as good.
#3) The best FOSS apps they would be interested in (Audacity, OpenOffice,
VLC, etc) already run on Win/Mac
#4) Support. People already have friends/neighbors/co-workers who use
Win/Mac. With Linux someone is "on their own."
#5) Yes, there is the web for support. But what works with Ubuntu doesn't
work with Suse and what works with Suse doesn't work with Mint and Mint is
different than Arch etc, etc. And what works with Ubuntu 14.10 is different
than Ubuntu 14.04 which is different yet from Ubuntu 13.10. Good luck for
someone who just wants to get something to work.
>> If there was a free soda that was superior to a 75-cent bottle of Coke
>> the
>> world would know about it and would drink it. Certainly if there was a
>> free
>> product that was as good as a one that cost $50-$1000 word would get out
>> and
>> it would spread very fast. If there was a free TV set or a free vacuum
>> cleaner that was better than the $300 models what would the marketshare
>> breakdown look like for those products?
>>
> Yep, in any other market a better, cheaper product would find a market
> with little problem. Only Linux desktop has managed to remain free and
> no one cares at all.
Windows instead of using something that's freely available. There's likely
fewer Linux users in the world than people who are running a pirated copy of
Windows. What does that tell you?
--
"Knowing 'Word or Excel' is a hindrance."
The "Hardon" moron (now "Crabbit Bampot")
(now some other nym)
flatfish+++
Nov 11, 2014, 10:36:50 AM11/11/14
to
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:05:24 -0600, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> On 11 Nov 2014 09:55, "Ezekiel" wrote:
>> "DFS" <nos...@dfs.com> wrote in message news:m3t717$io0$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 11/11/2014 8:18 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out.
>>>
>>>
>>> And that's EXACTLY why the usage share of desktop Linux is so low.
>>>
>>
>> But it's "different" with Linux. Somehow desktop Linux is the only product
>> in the history of the planet that is so superior to the alternatives and is
>> completely free yet it's dismal usage is because nobody has ever heard of
>> it.
>>
> And of course, that is in spite of it taking up massive shelf space in
> bookstores around the US just a few short years ago. You couldn't
> swing a cat in a bookstore without hitting some 'linux' book with at
> least one CD with at least one distro on it.
>
> IMO, it isn't that Linux for the desktop is bad, it is that it doesn't
> bring enough to the table to make it interesting for the vast majority
> of the computer users.
It offers no value in terms of performance, ease of use, hardware
> On 11 Nov 2014 09:55, "Ezekiel" wrote:
>> "DFS" <nos...@dfs.com> wrote in message news:m3t717$io0$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 11/11/2014 8:18 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out.
>>>
>>>
>>> And that's EXACTLY why the usage share of desktop Linux is so low.
>>>
>>
>> But it's "different" with Linux. Somehow desktop Linux is the only product
>> in the history of the planet that is so superior to the alternatives and is
>> completely free yet it's dismal usage is because nobody has ever heard of
>> it.
>>
> And of course, that is in spite of it taking up massive shelf space in
> bookstores around the US just a few short years ago. You couldn't
> swing a cat in a bookstore without hitting some 'linux' book with at
> least one CD with at least one distro on it.
>
> IMO, it isn't that Linux for the desktop is bad, it is that it doesn't
> bring enough to the table to make it interesting for the vast majority
> of the computer users.
support, quality software and support etc.
A person moving from Windows to Linux in most cases is taking a step
backwards in terms of the overall computing experience.
Additionally, people don't like being the square peg in a round hole.
Most people prefer to stay mainstream and that means Windows or OSX.
The Linux netbooks proved this. They were selling to geeks, techs and
so forth because it was a good solution for people like that.
As soon as the Windows versions were released, the average consumer
started buying these things and the Linux versions disappeared.
The public was given a choice and they chose Windows.
Silver Slimer
Nov 11, 2014, 10:47:43 AM11/11/14
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On 11/11/2014 10:05 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> On 11 Nov 2014 09:55, "Ezekiel" wrote:
>> "DFS" <nos...@dfs.com> wrote in message news:m3t717$io0$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 11/11/2014 8:18 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out.
>>>
>>>
>>> And that's EXACTLY why the usage share of desktop Linux is so low.
>>>
>>
>> But it's "different" with Linux. Somehow desktop Linux is the only product
>> in the history of the planet that is so superior to the alternatives and is
>> completely free yet it's dismal usage is because nobody has ever heard of
>> it.
>>
> And of course, that is in spite of it taking up massive shelf space in
> bookstores around the US just a few short years ago. You couldn't
> swing a cat in a bookstore without hitting some 'linux' book with at
> least one CD with at least one distro on it.
In the 1990s until at least 2003, everyone was convinced that GNU/Linux
> On 11 Nov 2014 09:55, "Ezekiel" wrote:
>> "DFS" <nos...@dfs.com> wrote in message news:m3t717$io0$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> On 11/11/2014 8:18 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out.
>>>
>>>
>>> And that's EXACTLY why the usage share of desktop Linux is so low.
>>>
>>
>> But it's "different" with Linux. Somehow desktop Linux is the only product
>> in the history of the planet that is so superior to the alternatives and is
>> completely free yet it's dismal usage is because nobody has ever heard of
>> it.
>>
> And of course, that is in spite of it taking up massive shelf space in
> bookstores around the US just a few short years ago. You couldn't
> swing a cat in a bookstore without hitting some 'linux' book with at
> least one CD with at least one distro on it.
was going to destroy Windows and overtake the world of technology.
Instead, it's just as unpopular in 2014 as it was in the late 1990s.
Obviously, this is because people are incredibly intimidated by the
"superior code" of GNU/Linux.
> IMO, it isn't that Linux for the desktop is bad, it is that it doesn't
> bring enough to the table to make it interesting for the vast majority
> of the computer users.
Audio Copy into OGG Vorbis is not only devoid of errors but also
integrates album art as well as a ton of additional information whereas
any CD I rip with Asunder in GNU/Linux (which is the best ripping
software bar none) doesn't have the additional information and doesn't
even make an attempt to include album art. Additionally, any later
program you might want to use to add album art into the file with either
doesn't do it, claims to do it but doesn't or simply fucks up the file
beyond repair.
GNU/Linux quality.
>> If there was a free soda that was superior to a 75-cent bottle of Coke the
>> world would know about it and would drink it. Certainly if there was a free
>> product that was as good as a one that cost $50-$1000 word would get out and
>> it would spread very fast. If there was a free TV set or a free vacuum
>> cleaner that was better than the $300 models what would the marketshare
>> breakdown look like for those products?
>>
> Yep, in any other market a better, cheaper product would find a market
> with little problem. Only Linux desktop has managed to remain free and
> no one cares at all.
GNUslims and everybody has their own idea of what's great and perfect.
As a result, instead of making one product which appeals to everyone,
they make a thousand, each appealing to a handful of users. Of those
thousand, not one is anything remotely close to perfect because each is
missing something crucial which is available in the other.
Silver Slimer
Nov 11, 2014, 11:08:27 AM11/11/14
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or whatever else in Windows or on OS X, moving to GNU/Linux isn't so
difficult (as it wasn't for me when I tried numerous times). However,
there is a strong lack of professional software in GNU/Linux so while
they might have something to make 3D models with or to edit video, there
is a good chance that they're lacking software for what you specifically
are looking to do.
> #2) Many of the desktop apps to replace their existing Win/Mac apps
> simply aren't as good.
> #3) The best FOSS apps they would be interested in (Audacity, OpenOffice,
> VLC, etc) already run on Win/Mac
> #4) Support. People already have friends/neighbors/co-workers who use
> Win/Mac. With Linux someone is "on their own."
within Windows or OS X but the problem is that while the format might be
read, the content might change or be produced in a way which seems
erratic by the Windows or OS X-based software. GNUslims blame the
Windows or OS X software for this but it is incredibly clear to me that
the problem usually rests with GNU/Linux developers incorrectly
developing the feature.
> #5) Yes, there is the web for support. But what works with Ubuntu doesn't
> work with Suse and what works with Suse doesn't work with Mint and Mint is
> different than Arch etc, etc. And what works with Ubuntu 14.10 is different
> than Ubuntu 14.04 which is different yet from Ubuntu 13.10. Good luck for
> someone who just wants to get something to work.
Ubuntu. The problem though is that Ubuntu isn't necessarily stable and
many must-have features don't actually work. Your bug reports about the
issue are also either ignored or treated as non-crucial so you'll often
have to wait years or decades for a solution. Sometimes there are
work-arounds, most of the time there aren't.
Silver Slimer
Nov 11, 2014, 11:12:43 AM11/11/14
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On 11/11/2014 10:36 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:05:24 -0600, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
>> On 11 Nov 2014 09:55, "Ezekiel" wrote:
>>> "DFS" <nos...@dfs.com> wrote in message news:m3t717$io0$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 11/11/2014 8:18 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And that's EXACTLY why the usage share of desktop Linux is so low.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But it's "different" with Linux. Somehow desktop Linux is the only product
>>> in the history of the planet that is so superior to the alternatives and is
>>> completely free yet it's dismal usage is because nobody has ever heard of
>>> it.
>>>
>> And of course, that is in spite of it taking up massive shelf space in
>> bookstores around the US just a few short years ago. You couldn't
>> swing a cat in a bookstore without hitting some 'linux' book with at
>> least one CD with at least one distro on it.
>>
>> IMO, it isn't that Linux for the desktop is bad, it is that it doesn't
>> bring enough to the table to make it interesting for the vast majority
>> of the computer users.
>
> It offers no value in terms of performance, ease of use, hardware
> support, quality software and support etc.
For performance it does if your computer is old or has little memory.
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:05:24 -0600, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
>> On 11 Nov 2014 09:55, "Ezekiel" wrote:
>>> "DFS" <nos...@dfs.com> wrote in message news:m3t717$io0$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 11/11/2014 8:18 AM, chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And that's EXACTLY why the usage share of desktop Linux is so low.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But it's "different" with Linux. Somehow desktop Linux is the only product
>>> in the history of the planet that is so superior to the alternatives and is
>>> completely free yet it's dismal usage is because nobody has ever heard of
>>> it.
>>>
>> And of course, that is in spite of it taking up massive shelf space in
>> bookstores around the US just a few short years ago. You couldn't
>> swing a cat in a bookstore without hitting some 'linux' book with at
>> least one CD with at least one distro on it.
>>
>> IMO, it isn't that Linux for the desktop is bad, it is that it doesn't
>> bring enough to the table to make it interesting for the vast majority
>> of the computer users.
>
> It offers no value in terms of performance, ease of use, hardware
> support, quality software and support etc.
Certain distributions have lighter requirements and your computer
therefore performs better on IT than under a recent version of Windows
(though the requirements for Windows haven't changed since Windows
Vista). Ease of use is definitely not better for GNU/Linux and neither
is quality software but hardware support is superior if you're dealing
with ancient hardware.
> A person moving from Windows to Linux in most cases is taking a step
> backwards in terms of the overall computing experience.
> Additionally, people don't like being the square peg in a round hole.
> Most people prefer to stay mainstream and that means Windows or OSX.
obvious problem that people will notice. If everyone is sharing a video
and you're the only one who can't watch it, you're out of luck. You also
lose access to services like Netflix if you're not running Ubuntu. I
doubt people want to use a computer which DOESN'T allow them to do
everything their friends are used to doing.
> The Linux netbooks proved this. They were selling to geeks, techs and
> so forth because it was a good solution for people like that.
> As soon as the Windows versions were released, the average consumer
> started buying these things and the Linux versions disappeared.
>
> The public was given a choice and they chose Windows.
numbers but many of those will very soon get acquainted with Apple's
horrible filesystem and the more technical ones are likely to get
discouraged with the platform when it becomes clear that it is a lot
more limiting that Windows is in terms of customization and
configurability.
flatfish+++
Nov 11, 2014, 11:58:33 AM11/11/14
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have on that particular hardware and it typically runs fine.
But it is true that targeted Linux distributions do have some
usefulness in resurrecting older hardware.
>> A person moving from Windows to Linux in most cases is taking a step
>> backwards in terms of the overall computing experience.
>
> Absolutely.
>
>> Additionally, people don't like being the square peg in a round hole.
>> Most people prefer to stay mainstream and that means Windows or OSX.
>
> The fact that Flash support is poor in GNU/Linux is probably the most
> obvious problem that people will notice. If everyone is sharing a video
> and you're the only one who can't watch it, you're out of luck. You also
> lose access to services like Netflix if you're not running Ubuntu. I
> doubt people want to use a computer which DOESN'T allow them to do
> everything their friends are used to doing.
Especially true in education as well.
It is changing a bit though as educational institutions move more
towards the cloud. That will be good for Linux.
>> The Linux netbooks proved this. They were selling to geeks, techs and
>> so forth because it was a good solution for people like that.
>> As soon as the Windows versions were released, the average consumer
>> started buying these things and the Linux versions disappeared.
>>
>> The public was given a choice and they chose Windows.
>
> And they still are. People might be choosing Macs at the moment in large
> numbers but many of those will very soon get acquainted with Apple's
> horrible filesystem and the more technical ones are likely to get
> discouraged with the platform when it becomes clear that it is a lot
> more limiting that Windows is in terms of customization and
> configurability.
I don't feel the average user is really even aware.
They just use the computer and are less concerned with the nuts and
bolts.
Steve Carroll
Nov 11, 2014, 12:00:30 PM11/11/14
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On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:09:23 AM UTC-7, Tattoo Vampire wrote:
> Steve Carroll wrote:
>
> > Maybe... but it's pretty amazing how much technology can be had for
> > $79.99
>
> I went through two of them trying to get my small granddaughter something
> she could use. The first one conked out after a week, the replacement had
> something wrong with the display. I got my money back and bought her a
> name brand tablet.
When something sucks that bad it makes you wonder why they bother to produce it.
> Steve Carroll wrote:
>
> > Maybe... but it's pretty amazing how much technology can be had for
> > $79.99
>
> I went through two of them trying to get my small granddaughter something
> she could use. The first one conked out after a week, the replacement had
> something wrong with the display. I got my money back and bought her a
> name brand tablet.
Silver Slimer
Nov 11, 2014, 12:04:54 PM11/11/14
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On 11/11/2014 11:58 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
>> For performance it does if your computer is old or has little memory.
>> Certain distributions have lighter requirements and your computer
>> therefore performs better on IT than under a recent version of Windows
>> (though the requirements for Windows haven't changed since Windows
>> Vista). Ease of use is definitely not better for GNU/Linux and neither
>> is quality software but hardware support is superior if you're dealing
>> with ancient hardware.
>
> True, but people tend to stick with whatever version of Windows they
> have on that particular hardware and it typically runs fine.
>
> But it is true that targeted Linux distributions do have some
> usefulness in resurrecting older hardware.
Unless it's XP, people can go ahead and stick to whatever came with it,
>> For performance it does if your computer is old or has little memory.
>> Certain distributions have lighter requirements and your computer
>> therefore performs better on IT than under a recent version of Windows
>> (though the requirements for Windows haven't changed since Windows
>> Vista). Ease of use is definitely not better for GNU/Linux and neither
>> is quality software but hardware support is superior if you're dealing
>> with ancient hardware.
>
> True, but people tend to stick with whatever version of Windows they
> have on that particular hardware and it typically runs fine.
>
> But it is true that targeted Linux distributions do have some
> usefulness in resurrecting older hardware.
absolutely. Windows Vista, with however terrible it was, is still more
useful than any GNU/Linux distribution.
>> And they still are. People might be choosing Macs at the moment in large
>> numbers but many of those will very soon get acquainted with Apple's
>> horrible filesystem and the more technical ones are likely to get
>> discouraged with the platform when it becomes clear that it is a lot
>> more limiting that Windows is in terms of customization and
>> configurability.
>
> I disagree. While Apple's file system is in dire need of replacement,
> I don't feel the average user is really even aware.
>
> They just use the computer and are less concerned with the nuts and
> bolts.
songs and pictures disappeared over the years for no reason other than
bitrot.
flatfish+++
Nov 11, 2014, 12:29:50 PM11/11/14
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It might be that they tend to upgrade hdisks a lot. I dunno.
Steve Carroll
Nov 11, 2014, 1:31:54 PM11/11/14
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Nov 11, 2014, 1:46:35 PM11/11/14
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On 11/11/14, 10:04 AM, in article m3tfj9$qmc$1...@dont-email.me, "Silver
system. No argument from this Mac user.
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Slimer" <slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>>> And they still are. People might be choosing Macs at the moment in large
>>> numbers but many of those will very soon get acquainted with Apple's
>>> horrible filesystem and the more technical ones are likely to get
>>> discouraged with the platform when it becomes clear that it is a lot
>>> more limiting that Windows is in terms of customization and
>>> configurability.
>>
>> I disagree. While Apple's file system is in dire need of replacement,
>> I don't feel the average user is really even aware.
>>
>> They just use the computer and are less concerned with the nuts and
>> bolts.
>
> They'll be aware of how bad HFS+ is when they see that a lot of their
> songs and pictures disappeared over the years for no reason other than
> bitrot.
I think it is long past time for Apple to do a serious upgrade of their file
>>> And they still are. People might be choosing Macs at the moment in large
>>> numbers but many of those will very soon get acquainted with Apple's
>>> horrible filesystem and the more technical ones are likely to get
>>> discouraged with the platform when it becomes clear that it is a lot
>>> more limiting that Windows is in terms of customization and
>>> configurability.
>>
>> I disagree. While Apple's file system is in dire need of replacement,
>> I don't feel the average user is really even aware.
>>
>> They just use the computer and are less concerned with the nuts and
>> bolts.
>
> They'll be aware of how bad HFS+ is when they see that a lot of their
> songs and pictures disappeared over the years for no reason other than
> bitrot.
system. No argument from this Mac user.
--
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* Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA>
* Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0>
* Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8>
* Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8>
* Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI>
* Mavericks / Pages 5.1: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk>
* OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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Nov 11, 2014, 1:47:55 PM11/11/14
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On 11/11/14, 9:12 AM, in article m3tche$a8i$2...@dont-email.me, "Silver Slimer"
use System Services, for example, to add back the ability to go up a
directory on the new Safari and I use PDF services a lot (though on Yosemite
they are failing me for some reason - very, very annoying)
<slvrslmr@lv.c> wrote:
>> The Linux netbooks proved this. They were selling to geeks, techs and
>> so forth because it was a good solution for people like that.
>> As soon as the Windows versions were released, the average consumer
>> started buying these things and the Linux versions disappeared.
>>
>> The public was given a choice and they chose Windows.
>
> And they still are. People might be choosing Macs at the moment in large
> numbers but many of those will very soon get acquainted with Apple's
> horrible filesystem and the more technical ones are likely to get
> discouraged with the platform when it becomes clear that it is a lot
> more limiting that Windows is in terms of customization and
> configurability.
I like the customization options on OS X which I do not have on Windows. I
>> The Linux netbooks proved this. They were selling to geeks, techs and
>> so forth because it was a good solution for people like that.
>> As soon as the Windows versions were released, the average consumer
>> started buying these things and the Linux versions disappeared.
>>
>> The public was given a choice and they chose Windows.
>
> And they still are. People might be choosing Macs at the moment in large
> numbers but many of those will very soon get acquainted with Apple's
> horrible filesystem and the more technical ones are likely to get
> discouraged with the platform when it becomes clear that it is a lot
> more limiting that Windows is in terms of customization and
> configurability.
use System Services, for example, to add back the ability to go up a
directory on the new Safari and I use PDF services a lot (though on Yosemite
they are failing me for some reason - very, very annoying)
RonB
Nov 11, 2014, 2:18:06 PM11/11/14
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:18:11 -0600, chrisv wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> charles...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Nobody wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Final Price:
>>>> $69.99 * After Rebate
>>>
>>> What a piece of junk.
>>
>>Nice to have a range of price points to choose from, in my opinion,
>>Prince Charles.
>
> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out. No bickering or
> committees required.
By "junk" they mean the Apple logo is not pasted on to it.
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> charles...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Nobody wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Final Price:
>>>> $69.99 * After Rebate
>>>
>>> What a piece of junk.
>>
>>Nice to have a range of price points to choose from, in my opinion,
>>Prince Charles.
>
> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out. No bickering or
> committees required.
--
Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank.
Give a man a bank and he can rob the world.
flatfish+++
Nov 11, 2014, 2:38:13 PM11/11/14
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On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 19:17:53 +0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:18:11 -0600, chrisv wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> charles...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nobody wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Final Price:
>>>>> $69.99 * After Rebate
>>>>
>>>> What a piece of junk.
>>>
>>>Nice to have a range of price points to choose from, in my opinion,
>>>Prince Charles.
>>
>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out. No bickering or
>> committees required.
>
> By "junk" they mean the Apple logo is not pasted on to it.
Still jealous of Apple products RonB?
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:18:11 -0600, chrisv wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> charles...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nobody wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Final Price:
>>>>> $69.99 * After Rebate
>>>>
>>>> What a piece of junk.
>>>
>>>Nice to have a range of price points to choose from, in my opinion,
>>>Prince Charles.
>>
>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out. No bickering or
>> committees required.
>
> By "junk" they mean the Apple logo is not pasted on to it.
Don't worry, someday you might be able to afford an Apple iPad.
Just work real hard at the french fry deep fryer and someday you
might be moved up to hamburger flipping.
Lloyd Parsons
Nov 11, 2014, 2:40:17 PM11/11/14
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On 11 Nov 2014 19:17, RonB wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:18:11 -0600, chrisv wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> charles...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nobody wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Final Price:
>>>>> $69.99 * After Rebate
>>>>
>>>> What a piece of junk.
>>>
>>>Nice to have a range of price points to choose from, in my opinion,
>>>Prince Charles.
>>
>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out. No bickering or
>> committees required.
>
> By "junk" they mean the Apple logo is not pasted on to it.
>
You wish that was the case. Unfortunately for you, it isn't. You buy
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:18:11 -0600, chrisv wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> charles...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nobody wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Final Price:
>>>>> $69.99 * After Rebate
>>>>
>>>> What a piece of junk.
>>>
>>>Nice to have a range of price points to choose from, in my opinion,
>>>Prince Charles.
>>
>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out. No bickering or
>> committees required.
>
> By "junk" they mean the Apple logo is not pasted on to it.
>
Cheap junk with short battery life, some older version of Android, no
Real QC in the build quality, but that's just fine as long as it has
Android.
Of course, Google has gone to great lengths to distance itself from the
Linux roots.
--
Lloyd
Silver Slimer
Nov 11, 2014, 3:02:59 PM11/11/14
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On 11/11/2014 2:17 PM, RonB wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:18:11 -0600, chrisv wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> charles...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nobody wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Final Price:
>>>>> $69.99 * After Rebate
>>>>
>>>> What a piece of junk.
>>>
>>> Nice to have a range of price points to choose from, in my opinion,
>>> Prince Charles.
>>
>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out. No bickering or
>> committees required.
>
> By "junk" they mean the Apple logo is not pasted on to it.
No, they mean shoddy products made of cheap plastic with bargain
> On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:18:11 -0600, chrisv wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> charles...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nobody wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Final Price:
>>>>> $69.99 * After Rebate
>>>>
>>>> What a piece of junk.
>>>
>>> Nice to have a range of price points to choose from, in my opinion,
>>> Prince Charles.
>>
>> Indeed, if it is "junk", the market will sort it out. No bickering or
>> committees required.
>
> By "junk" they mean the Apple logo is not pasted on to it.
hardware that is guaranteed to fail. It's kind of like the hardware
GNU/Linux advocates save up to buy or find in the dumpster behind Chang's.
Tattoo Vampire
Nov 11, 2014, 7:36:31 PM11/11/14
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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> I've been pretty happy with my $80 (Christmas special last year) Nook
> HD,
> though it would be nicer if had a camera.
The Nook is a great value for the money. This Nobis crap reeks of cheap
but I figured for $80 if it lasted her a year it was worth it. Lesson
learned. I bought both grandkids one of the new 7" ASUS tablets. Very
nice devices and the interface is almost plain vanilla Android.
--
I used to like political jokes until so many of them got elected.
> I've been pretty happy with my $80 (Christmas special last year) Nook
> HD,
> though it would be nicer if had a camera.
The Nook is a great value for the money. This Nobis crap reeks of cheap
but I figured for $80 if it lasted her a year it was worth it. Lesson
learned. I bought both grandkids one of the new 7" ASUS tablets. Very
nice devices and the interface is almost plain vanilla Android.
--
I used to like political jokes until so many of them got elected.
chrisv
Nov 12, 2014, 7:46:10 AM11/12/14
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Tattoo Vampire wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>> I've been pretty happy with my $80 (Christmas special last year) Nook
>> HD, though it would be nicer if had a camera.
>
>The Nook is a great value for the money. This Nobis crap reeks of cheap
>but I figured for $80 if it lasted her a year it was worth it. Lesson
>learned.
Well, the Nook is a "loss leader" for B&N, right? Companies selling
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>> I've been pretty happy with my $80 (Christmas special last year) Nook
>> HD, though it would be nicer if had a camera.
>
>The Nook is a great value for the money. This Nobis crap reeks of cheap
>but I figured for $80 if it lasted her a year it was worth it. Lesson
>learned.
only hardware will have a tough time competing with that. $80 is not
a lot of money.
--
'Anyone foolish enough to listen to an "advocate" would have heard how
there is no fragmentation and how there is no Android malware.' -
trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel", lying shamelessly
Lloyd Parsons
Nov 12, 2014, 8:36:23 AM11/12/14
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On 12 Nov 2014 06:46, chrisv wrote:
> Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been pretty happy with my $80 (Christmas special last year) Nook
>>> HD, though it would be nicer if had a camera.
>>
>>The Nook is a great value for the money. This Nobis crap reeks of
cheap
>>but I figured for $80 if it lasted her a year it was worth it. Lesson
>>learned.
>
> Well, the Nook is a "loss leader" for B&N, right? Companies selling
> only hardware will have a tough time competing with that. $80 is not
> a lot of money.
>
Probably is a loss leader figuring you'll get one and buy lots of
> Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been pretty happy with my $80 (Christmas special last year) Nook
>>> HD, though it would be nicer if had a camera.
>>
>>The Nook is a great value for the money. This Nobis crap reeks of
cheap
>>but I figured for $80 if it lasted her a year it was worth it. Lesson
>>learned.
>
> Well, the Nook is a "loss leader" for B&N, right? Companies selling
> only hardware will have a tough time competing with that. $80 is not
> a lot of money.
>
ebooks.
--
Lloyd
Chris Ahlstrom
Nov 12, 2014, 8:46:35 AM11/12/14
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chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
> --
> 'Anyone foolish enough to listen to an "advocate" would have heard how
> there is no fragmentation and how there is no Android malware.' -
> trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel", lying shamelessly
Zeke is human malware.
--
"Force is but might," the teacher said--
"That definition's just."
The boy said naught but thought instead,
Remembering his pounded head:
"Force is not might but must!"
> --
> 'Anyone foolish enough to listen to an "advocate" would have heard how
> there is no fragmentation and how there is no Android malware.' -
> trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel", lying shamelessly
--
"Force is but might," the teacher said--
"That definition's just."
The boy said naught but thought instead,
Remembering his pounded head:
"Force is not might but must!"
Silver Slimer
Nov 12, 2014, 12:45:24 PM11/12/14
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On 12/11/2014 8:46 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> --
>> 'Anyone foolish enough to listen to an "advocate" would have heard how
>> there is no fragmentation and how there is no Android malware.' -
>> trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel", lying shamelessly
>
> Zeke is human malware.
Your wife thinks the same of you.
> chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> --
>> 'Anyone foolish enough to listen to an "advocate" would have heard how
>> there is no fragmentation and how there is no Android malware.' -
>> trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel", lying shamelessly
>
> Zeke is human malware.
RonB
Nov 12, 2014, 5:04:58 PM11/12/14
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 06:46:08 -0600, chrisv wrote:
> Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been pretty happy with my $80 (Christmas special last year) Nook
>>> HD, though it would be nicer if had a camera.
>>
>>The Nook is a great value for the money. This Nobis crap reeks of cheap
>>but I figured for $80 if it lasted her a year it was worth it. Lesson
>>learned.
>
> Well, the Nook is a "loss leader" for B&N, right? Companies selling
> only hardware will have a tough time competing with that. $80 is not a
> lot of money.
Actually the "junk" tablets are not all that bad, especially when it comes
> Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been pretty happy with my $80 (Christmas special last year) Nook
>>> HD, though it would be nicer if had a camera.
>>
>>The Nook is a great value for the money. This Nobis crap reeks of cheap
>>but I figured for $80 if it lasted her a year it was worth it. Lesson
>>learned.
>
> Well, the Nook is a "loss leader" for B&N, right? Companies selling
> only hardware will have a tough time competing with that. $80 is not a
> lot of money.
down to either not owning a tablet at all, or paying $80 for one. (Well,
if you don't mind buying used, you can find tons of cheap, higher-end
tablets on Craigslist or in pawn shops.) Personally I still can't find
much use for tablets -- so $50 or $1,500, it's all the same to me. None of
them are of any real use to me.
Lloyd Parsons
Nov 12, 2014, 6:11:56 PM11/12/14
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Them is somewhat tainted. IOW, you'd be the last guy I would ask for
Assistance in picking one.
--
Lloyd
Ezekiel
Nov 12, 2014, 8:18:12 PM11/12/14
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"Lloyd Parsons" <lloy...@live.com> wrote in message
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with.
Electronics design included:
--
Oh right. The junk Apple has made in China with near slave labor, but with
their logo on it, is perfectly safe at all times. The after-market junk
made in China with near slave labor, without the Apple logo, is always "oh
so dangerous." What disingenuous bullshit. And spoken like a true
iCultist. Apple is trying to lock out after-market products because of
their greed. They simply want to make more money. Point, blank, period.
The RonB/wRonG fool frothing over something he's too stupid to understand.
Sept 2013
-hh
Nov 14, 2014, 4:49:28 AM11/14/14
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"Lloyd Parsons" wrote:
> RonB wrote:
that's expected to last more than one year instead of disposable stuff.
>> Actually the "junk" tablets are not all that bad, especially when it
>> comes
>> down to either not owning a tablet at all, or paying $80 for one. (Well,
>> if you don't mind buying used, you can find tons of cheap, higher-end
>> tablets on Craigslist or in pawn shops.)
Alternatively, spend $500 for one in Spring 2010, enjoy it for 3.5 years
and then get $200 for it in Fall 2013 at a promotion "trade-in" program
at Target.
Net life cycle cost analysis: ($500-$200) / 3.5 years = $85/year.
YMMV (of course) if a $5/year higher cost is worth it for having
a much nicer Tablet (with camera, etc) to use for all that time.
Or you could have trickled the old one down to the kids, and its life
cycle costs would already be down to $110/year: less than $10 per month.
>> Personally I still can't find much use for tablets -- so $50 or
>> $1,500, it's all the same to me. None of them are of any
>> real use to me.
>
> If you cannot find a good use for them for you, then your
> opinion about Them is somewhat tainted. IOW, you'd be
> the last guy I would ask for Assistance in picking one.
Such opinions are a bit less useful than asking a blind man
If he likes the kitchen's new wall paint color...particularly
since said blind man hasn't necessarily always been blind.
-hh
> RonB wrote:
>> chrisv wrote:
>>> Well, the Nook is a "loss leader" for B&N, right? Companies selling
>>> only hardware will have a tough time competing with that. $80 is not a
>>> lot of money.
Nor is $500 a huge amount for some folks...particularly for a durable good
>>> Well, the Nook is a "loss leader" for B&N, right? Companies selling
>>> only hardware will have a tough time competing with that. $80 is not a
>>> lot of money.
that's expected to last more than one year instead of disposable stuff.
>> Actually the "junk" tablets are not all that bad, especially when it
>> comes
>> down to either not owning a tablet at all, or paying $80 for one. (Well,
>> if you don't mind buying used, you can find tons of cheap, higher-end
>> tablets on Craigslist or in pawn shops.)
and then get $200 for it in Fall 2013 at a promotion "trade-in" program
at Target.
Net life cycle cost analysis: ($500-$200) / 3.5 years = $85/year.
YMMV (of course) if a $5/year higher cost is worth it for having
a much nicer Tablet (with camera, etc) to use for all that time.
Or you could have trickled the old one down to the kids, and its life
cycle costs would already be down to $110/year: less than $10 per month.
>> Personally I still can't find much use for tablets -- so $50 or
>> $1,500, it's all the same to me. None of them are of any
>> real use to me.
>
> If you cannot find a good use for them for you, then your
> opinion about Them is somewhat tainted. IOW, you'd be
> the last guy I would ask for Assistance in picking one.
If he likes the kitchen's new wall paint color...particularly
since said blind man hasn't necessarily always been blind.
-hh
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