Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????
Moshe Goldfarb.
Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
especially on notebooks.
There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz, Martii
or HPT!!
It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO.
You'll never lose it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with
everything.
So where is Linux?
This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the Christmas
season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
Poor Linux...
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Rick
> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
How many OS X systems were mentioned? Solaris?
>
> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
> especially on notebooks.
>
> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz,
> Martii or HPT!!
>
> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO. You'll never lose
> it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with everything.
>
> So where is Linux?
Where is OS X, or Solaris?
>
> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the
> Christmas season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>
> Poor Linux...
Poor you.
--
Rick
General Schvantzkopf
> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>
> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
> especially on notebooks.
>
> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz,
> Martii or HPT!!
>
> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO. You'll never lose
> it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with everything.
>
> So where is Linux?
>
> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the
> Christmas season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>
> Poor Linux...
Dell buries their Linux machines, it's easier to find the Loch Ness
monster then it is to find a Linux box on Dell's website. Lenovo is much
better, they put Linux right out front. HP is much better also. They
don't offer Linux machines but they do make FreeDos an option on a lot of
their systems if you look under Small Business instead of Home.
Snit
RLadncDqLeYmMBnV...@supernews.com on 7/21/08 8:39 AM:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>
> How many OS X systems were mentioned? Solaris?
Why do you focus on OS X so much in a Linux news group?
--
The answer to the water shortage is to dilute it.
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> RLadncDqLeYmMBnV...@supernews.com on 7/21/08 8:39 AM:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>
>>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>
>> How many OS X systems were mentioned? Solaris?
>
> Why do you focus on OS X so much in a Linux news group?
Why are you such a horse's ass?
--
Rick
Ezekiel
"Rick" <no...@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:RLadncDqLeYmMBnV...@supernews.com...
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>
> How many OS X systems were mentioned?
None. Why should that be a surprise since Dell does *NOT* sell OSX but
supposedly does sell linux.
> Solaris?
I don't think that Dell sells Solaris either. And even if they did... this
is a "back to school" catalog with computers for students, not for the
server room in some IT department. They didn't mention *mainframes* either
since about as many students will be buying mainframes as they will Solaris
servers.
>>
>> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
>> especially on notebooks.
>>
>> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz,
>> Martii or HPT!!
>>
>> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO. You'll never lose
>> it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with everything.
>>
>> So where is Linux?
>
> Where is OS X, or Solaris?
OSX is sold by Apple and it's retailers. Dell does *NOT* sell Mac's so you
would have to be a pretty big idiot to wonder why Dell doesn't advertise
computers for their competitors.
Solaris isn't a appropriate OS for kids returning to school so it doesn't
take much brains to see why something like Solaris isn't mentioned in a
"Back to School" catalog for kids.
On the other hand Dell is supposed to be this big embracer of linux and by
them selling linux systems it was going to be the end for Microsoft and
linux would dominate the desktop. Yet when Dell advertises it's computers to
ordinary consumers linux (once again) gets no mention.
>>
>> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the
>> Christmas season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>>
>> Poor Linux...
>
>
> Poor you.
>
Poor Ricktard. Can't figure out what a Dell catalog doesn't promote OSX from
one of their competitors. Next he'll be wondering why the Apple catalog
doesn't promote Dell computers.
> --
> Rick
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Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:RLadncDqLeYmMBnV...@supernews.com...
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>
>>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>
>> How many OS X systems were mentioned?
>
> None. Why should that be a surprise since Dell does *NOT* sell OSX but
> supposedly does sell linux.
Not supposedly. They do sell a small number of Linux based systems, and
they don't advertise it much at all. It is almost a custom service.
>
>
>> Solaris?
>
> I don't think that Dell sells Solaris either. And even if they did...
> this is a "back to school" catalog with computers for students, not for
> the server room in some IT department. They didn't mention *mainframes*
> either since about as many students will be buying mainframes as they
> will Solaris servers.
And as a "back to school" catalog, why would they feature Linux based
systems?
>
>
>
>>> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
>>> especially on notebooks.
>>>
>>> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz,
>>> Martii or HPT!!
>>>
>>> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO. You'll never lose
>>> it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with everything.
>>>
>>> So where is Linux?
>>
>> Where is OS X, or Solaris?
>
> OSX is sold by Apple and it's retailers. Dell does *NOT* sell Mac's so
> you would have to be a pretty big idiot to wonder why Dell doesn't
> advertise computers for their competitors.
>
> Solaris isn't a appropriate OS for kids returning to school so it
> doesn't take much brains to see why something like Solaris isn't
> mentioned in a "Back to School" catalog for kids.
>
> On the other hand Dell is supposed to be this big embracer of linux and
> by them selling linux systems it was going to be the end for Microsoft
> and linux would dominate the desktop. Yet when Dell advertises it's
> computers to ordinary consumers linux (once again) gets no mention.
They do sell a small number of Linux based systems, and they don't
advertise it much at all. It is almost a custom service.
>
>
>
>>> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the
>>> Christmas season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>>>
>>> Poor Linux...
>>
>>
>> Poor you.
>>
>>
> Poor Ricktard. Can't figure out what a Dell catalog doesn't promote OSX
> from one of their competitors. Next he'll be wondering why the Apple
> catalog doesn't promote Dell computers.
Poor Ezekiel astroll, he just can't stand the fact that Linux based
systems are being sold, and used.
>
>
>> --
>> Rick
>
>
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
And he doesn't seem to be able to get his news reader to work.
--
Rick
Snit
I asked a legitimate question - you often whine about me posting about OS
X... but I bet a greater percentage of your posts bring up OS X than do
mine.
You are a hypocrite... and when I point it out you call me names.
Oh well.
--
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never a reason." - Bill Gates
chrisv
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> RLadncPqLeZwJxnV...@supernews.com on 7/21/08 9:35 AM:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:03:10 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
>>> RLadncDqLeYmMBnV...@supernews.com on 7/21/08 8:39 AM:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>>>
>>>> How many OS X systems were mentioned? Solaris?
>>>
>>> Why do you focus on OS X so much in a Linux news group?
>>
>> Why are you such a horse's ass?
>>
>>
> I asked a legitimate question
BZZZZZTTT!!!!
Snit
4884c16d$0$5447$c3e...@news.astraweb.com on 7/21/08 10:02 AM:
And you snipped.
Rick often talks about my mentioning OS X... thus it is completely fair for
me to ask him why he brings it up so much.
He had no answer for his hypocrisy... hence his name calling.
--
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like if the Lamarckian view of evolution had ended up being accepted
over Darwin's?
Ezekiel
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:37:11 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:RLadncDqLeYmMBnV...@supernews.com...
>>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>>
>>> How many OS X systems were mentioned?
>>
>> None. Why should that be a surprise since Dell does *NOT* sell OSX but
>> supposedly does sell linux.
>
> Not supposedly. They do sell a small number of Linux based systems, and
> they don't advertise it much at all. It is almost a custom service.
So much for taking over the desktop then if the only way to get linux from
Dell is as some sort of "custom service" like approach.
>>
>>
>>> Solaris?
>>
>> I don't think that Dell sells Solaris either. And even if they did...
>> this is a "back to school" catalog with computers for students, not for
>> the server room in some IT department. They didn't mention *mainframes*
>> either since about as many students will be buying mainframes as they
>> will Solaris servers.
>
> And as a "back to school" catalog, why would they feature Linux based
> systems?
According to "advocates" here linux is incredibly easy to use and more than
ready for the desktop. If linux were truly ready for the desktop and
consumers then why wouldn't Dell put linux in there catalog? (It's a
multi-page catalog... at least mention it once!)
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
>>>> especially on notebooks.
>>>>
>>>> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz,
>>>> Martii or HPT!!
>>>>
>>>> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO. You'll never lose
>>>> it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with everything.
>>>>
>>>> So where is Linux?
>>>
>>> Where is OS X, or Solaris?
>>
>> OSX is sold by Apple and it's retailers. Dell does *NOT* sell Mac's so
>> you would have to be a pretty big idiot to wonder why Dell doesn't
>> advertise computers for their competitors.
>>
>> Solaris isn't a appropriate OS for kids returning to school so it
>> doesn't take much brains to see why something like Solaris isn't
>> mentioned in a "Back to School" catalog for kids.
>>
>> On the other hand Dell is supposed to be this big embracer of linux and
>> by them selling linux systems it was going to be the end for Microsoft
>> and linux would dominate the desktop. Yet when Dell advertises it's
>> computers to ordinary consumers linux (once again) gets no mention.
>
> They do sell a small number of Linux based systems, and they don't
> advertise it much at all. It is almost a custom service.
Why don't they advertise it? Could it be that Dell did try advertising linux
and learned that there is zero to no return for their advertising dollar.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the
>>>> Christmas season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>>>>
>>>> Poor Linux...
>>>
>>>
>>> Poor you.
>>>
>>>
>> Poor Ricktard. Can't figure out what a Dell catalog doesn't promote OSX
>> from one of their competitors. Next he'll be wondering why the Apple
>> catalog doesn't promote Dell computers.
>
> Poor Ezekiel astroll, he just can't stand the fact that Linux based
> systems are being sold, and used.
Sold and used by who? Dell refuses to even mention them once in a multi-page
catalog. According to *you* getting a linux machine from Dell is practically
a "custom service" and you have to know to ask for it. Given this it's
reasonable to assume that consumer linux sales at Dell are pretty bad and
it's just a matter of time before Dell abandons linux like they did the last
time. And the "advocate" liars here will post nonsense conspiracy theories
of how Michael Dell was forced by Microsoft not to sell linux.
chrisv
> "chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> stated in post
> 4884c16d$0$5447$c3e...@news.astraweb.com on 7/21/08 10:02 AM:
>
>> Snit wrote:
>>> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
>>> RLadncPqLeZwJxnV...@supernews.com on 7/21/08 9:35 AM:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:03:10 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
>>>>> RLadncDqLeYmMBnV...@supernews.com on 7/21/08 8:39 AM:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many OS X systems were mentioned? Solaris?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you focus on OS X so much in a Linux news group?
>>>>
>>>> Why are you such a horse's ass?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I asked a legitimate question
>>
>> BZZZZZTTT!!!!
>>
>>
> And you snipped.
Your question wasn't legitimate. One usually gets snipped at the first lie.
Snit
And now you are showing you have no desire to act in a moral way. OK.
I shall give you one more chance: given that Rick often asks me about my
bringing up of OS X (though he could not find examples when asked) what do
you think is not legitimate about my asking him?
You will - of course - run. But at least I have given you many chances to
show you are not just trolling. I am very kind that way.
--
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appeal to both sides.
- Mark Shuttleworth (founded Canonical Ltd. / Ubuntu Linux)
Arse Cork OK
Tim Smith
General Schvantzkopf <schvan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dell buries their Linux machines, it's easier to find the Loch Ness
> monster then it is to find a Linux box on Dell's website.
Not really. Starting from www.dell.com:
Clicked "Home and Home Office" in the "shop" section at the bottom.
Clicked "Open-Source PCs" in the "PC Operating Systems" section in
the left sidebar.
Clicked "Shop for Ubuntu".
That wasn't very hard.
> Lenovo is much better, they put Linux right out front.
I've never been to lenovo.com before, at least that I recall. So let's
see how long it takes me to find Linux.
Clicked "Notebooks".
Clicked "Linux".
OK, one less step at Lenovo, because I didn't have to first declare what
kind of use I intended for the machine.
If I had declared my intended use, let's see what would have happened.
Clicked "Home and Home Office".
I now have to choose a series, or I can click "Browse all Lenovo
notebooks". If I do that, I get a page that has a Linux link. So,
three steps, same as Dell.
If I go down the path of choosing a series, it looks like I no longer am
presented with a Linux option. It just leads to specific models, and
their customization pages, which don't seem to offer an OS choice.
It doesn't seem to me that Lenovo is a clear winner here.
--
--Tim Smith
Tim Smith
Rick <no...@nomail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
> > Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>
> How many OS X systems were mentioned? Solaris?
Dell has asked to sell OS X, and their request was denied.
Unless you are hinting that Dell wanted to put Linux in their booklet,
but were unable to obtain permission, your mention of OS X is
*completely* irrelevant.
--
--Tim Smith
chrisv
>Snit wrote:
Ignore the forger.
Sn^Hhit is on my lifetime kill-file list.
Ezekiel
"Tim Smith" <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
news:reply_in_group-46B...@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article <RqydnXQLqpA2LBnV...@comcast.com>,
> General Schvantzkopf <schvan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Dell buries their Linux machines, it's easier to find the Loch Ness
>> monster then it is to find a Linux box on Dell's website.
>
> Not really. Starting from www.dell.com:
>
> Clicked "Home and Home Office" in the "shop" section at the bottom.
No problem so far. Most people would probably do this.
> Clicked "Open-Source PCs" in the "PC Operating Systems" section in
> the left sidebar.
This is where it falls apart. After you first click on "Home and Home
Office" the main content of the page (with the large colorful photos) shows
laptops, desktops, etc which is the "path" that nearly all visitors to the
website will follow. People who are interested in a laptop will click to
"Browse Laptops" and desktop shoppers will "Browse Desktop" systems.
At this stage of the buying process few people are going to look at the
small-font along the left side of the screen for something that says
"Open-Source PCs" unless they already have their mind made up to purchase
one before they go to the website.
Technically "open source PCs" are on the Dell website but it's not in a
location that's likely to attract any interest or attention for site
visitors. Now if the page had a huge colorful link to "Open-Source PCs" the
same way they have for Desktops and Laptops then it would be a different
story. But a small text-only link burried somewhere on the page simply isn't
going to pull in the same number of hits as the other items.
> Clicked "Shop for Ubuntu".
>
> That wasn't very hard.
>
>> Lenovo is much better, they put Linux right out front.
>
> I've never been to lenovo.com before, at least that I recall. So let's
> see how long it takes me to find Linux.
>
> Clicked "Notebooks".
>
> Clicked "Linux".
>
> OK, one less step at Lenovo, because I didn't have to first declare what
> kind of use I intended for the machine.
>
> If I had declared my intended use, let's see what would have happened.
>
> Clicked "Home and Home Office".
>
> I now have to choose a series, or I can click "Browse all Lenovo
> notebooks". If I do that, I get a page that has a Linux link. So,
> three steps, same as Dell.
>
> If I go down the path of choosing a series, it looks like I no longer am
> presented with a Linux option. It just leads to specific models, and
> their customization pages, which don't seem to offer an OS choice.
>
> It doesn't seem to me that Lenovo is a clear winner here.
>
> --
> --Tim Smith
Rick
> "chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> stated in post
> 4884d0a8$0$5454$c3e...@news.astraweb.com on 7/21/08 11:07 AM:
>
>> Snit wrote:
>>> "chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> stated in post
>>> 4884c16d$0$5447$c3e...@news.astraweb.com on 7/21/08 10:02 AM:
>>>
>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
>>>>> RLadncPqLeZwJxnV...@supernews.com on 7/21/08 9:35 AM:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:03:10 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
>>>>>>> RLadncDqLeYmMBnV...@supernews.com on 7/21/08 8:39 AM:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How many OS X systems were mentioned? Solaris?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why do you focus on OS X so much in a Linux news group?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why are you such a horse's ass?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I asked a legitimate question
You did not. You missed the Solaris part.
>>>>
>>>> BZZZZZTTT!!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> And you snipped.
>>
>> Your question wasn't legitimate. One usually gets snipped at the first
>> lie.
>>
>>
> And now you are showing you have no desire to act in a moral way. OK.
>
> I shall give you one more chance: given that Rick often asks me about my
> bringing up of OS X (though he could not find examples when asked) what
> do you think is not legitimate about my asking him?
You're a liar. I chided you for pushing OS X, not bringing it up, and I
did give examples, which you dismissed.
>
> You will - of course - run. But at least I have given you many chances
> to show you are not just trolling. I am very kind that way.
--
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WhøKñèw
"Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:r68ivwdhif37.rkdchpuugut9$.dlg@40tude.net...
Why would they mention Linsux? There are only 2 people that might want it.
Rick
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:RLadncLqLeYDIBnV...@supernews.com...
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:37:11 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>>> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:RLadncDqLeYmMBnV...@supernews.com...
>>>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>>>
>>>> How many OS X systems were mentioned?
>>>
>>> None. Why should that be a surprise since Dell does *NOT* sell OSX but
>>> supposedly does sell linux.
>>
>> Not supposedly. They do sell a small number of Linux based systems, and
>> they don't advertise it much at all. It is almost a custom service.
>
> So much for taking over the desktop then if the only way to get linux
> from Dell is as some sort of "custom service" like approach.
Why do you think I am pushing "taking over the desktop", and why do you
think Dell would be crucial?
>
>
>
>>>
>>>> Solaris?
>>>
>>> I don't think that Dell sells Solaris either. And even if they did...
>>> this is a "back to school" catalog with computers for students, not
>>> for the server room in some IT department. They didn't mention
>>> *mainframes* either since about as many students will be buying
>>> mainframes as they will Solaris servers.
>>
>> And as a "back to school" catalog, why would they feature Linux based
>> systems?
>
> According to "advocates" here linux is incredibly easy to use and more
> than ready for the desktop.
Linux based systems can be easy to use, and since doctors, lawyers, stock
brokers, movie studio artists, government employees scientists and
Taiwanese housewives seem to be able to use it on the desktop, it must be
ready for somebodies desktop.
> If linux were truly ready for the desktop
> and consumers then why wouldn't Dell put linux in there catalog? (It's a
> multi-page catalog... at least mention it once!)
Lack of demand. People have Windows machines. They are comfortable with
Windows machines. Many of them don't even know there are choices.
That could be true.
>>>>> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the
>>>>> Christmas season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Poor Linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Poor you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Poor Ricktard. Can't figure out what a Dell catalog doesn't promote
>>> OSX from one of their competitors. Next he'll be wondering why the
>>> Apple catalog doesn't promote Dell computers.
>>
>> Poor Ezekiel astroll, he just can't stand the fact that Linux based
>> systems are being sold, and used.
>
> Sold and used by who?
WalMart. For One.
> Dell refuses to even mention them once in a
> multi-page catalog.
.. multi-page back to school catalog.
> According to *you* getting a linux machine from Dell
> is practically a "custom service" and you have to know to ask for it.
> Given this it's reasonable to assume that consumer linux sales at Dell
> are pretty bad and it's just a matter of time before Dell abandons linux
> like they did the last time.
That is quite an extrapolation you have going there. too bad it is
probably flawed.
> And the "advocate" liars here will post
> nonsense conspiracy theories of how Michael Dell was forced by Microsoft
> not to sell linux.
... as opposed to the untruths you post ?
JEDIDIAH
> In article <RqydnXQLqpA2LBnV...@comcast.com>,
> General Schvantzkopf <schvan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Dell buries their Linux machines, it's easier to find the Loch Ness
>> monster then it is to find a Linux box on Dell's website.
>
> Not really. Starting from www.dell.com:
>
> Clicked "Home and Home Office" in the "shop" section at the bottom.
>
> Clicked "Open-Source PCs" in the "PC Operating Systems" section in
> the left sidebar.
>
> Clicked "Shop for Ubuntu".
...which is "fine" so long as you know that Ubuntu -> Linux.
Although even that is rather obscure considering that you have to go
through a link labeled "open source PCs" to get it.
Any navigation should be straight and to the point.
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>
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:RLadncDqLeYmMBnV...@supernews.com...
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>
>>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>
>> How many OS X systems were mentioned?
>
> None. Why should that be a surprise since Dell does *NOT* sell OSX but
> supposedly does sell linux.
>
>
>> Solaris?
>
> I don't think that Dell sells Solaris either. And even if they did... this
> is a "back to school" catalog with computers for students, not for the
The first place I ever saw Sun kit for sale was in my school bookstore.
They were sold alongside the Macintoshes.
They had A/UX machines for sale as well.
> server room in some IT department. They didn't mention *mainframes* either
> since about as many students will be buying mainframes as they will Solaris
> servers.
[deletia]
Moshe Goldfarb.
The simple concepts go right over Rick's head....
I'll bet he walks into his local Honda dealer and asks where the Corvettes
are parked.
Snit
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:11:25 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> "chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> stated in post
>> 4884d0a8$0$5454$c3e...@news.astraweb.com on 7/21/08 11:07 AM:
>>
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>> "chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> stated in post
>>>> 4884c16d$0$5447$c3e...@news.astraweb.com on 7/21/08 10:02 AM:
>>>>
>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
>>>>>> RLadncPqLeZwJxnV...@supernews.com on 7/21/08 9:35 AM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:03:10 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
>>>>>>>> RLadncDqLeYmMBnV...@supernews.com on 7/21/08 8:39 AM:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How many OS X systems were mentioned? Solaris?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why do you focus on OS X so much in a Linux news group?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why are you such a horse's ass?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I asked a legitimate question
>
> You did not. You missed the Solaris part.
I do did not say you had not talked about *other* OSs, I noted - correctly -
that you brought up OS X.
Again.
You do that quite often. Frankly I do not have a problem with that, but
when you deride me for doing as you do you show hypocrisy.
>
>>>>>
>>>>> BZZZZZTTT!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> And you snipped.
>>>
>>> Your question wasn't legitimate. One usually gets snipped at the first
>>> lie.
>>>
>>>
>> And now you are showing you have no desire to act in a moral way. OK.
>>
>> I shall give you one more chance: given that Rick often asks me about my
>> bringing up of OS X (though he could not find examples when asked) what
>> do you think is not legitimate about my asking him?
>
> You're a liar. I chided you for pushing OS X, not bringing it up, and I
> did give examples, which you dismissed.
You gave two examples - one was completely absurd... clearly *not* what you
claimed it was. The other was only very marginally - at best. Face it, you
flopped on your face - you made an accusation you could not support.
>> You will - of course - run. But at least I have given you many chances
>> to show you are not just trolling. I am very kind that way.
>
>
>
>
--
You really have to give credit to Apple for driving innovation.
chrisv
I see why.
Snit
As do I. Heck, he cannot even type a name without sinking to juvenile
insults!
--
Computers are incredibly fast, accurate, and stupid: humans are incredibly
slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond
imagination. - attributed to Albert Einstein, likely apocryphal
The Ghost In The Machine
<Whøkñèw@kñèwwhø.com>
wrote
on Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:01:22 GMT
<625hk.269046$fz6....@fe08.news.easynews.com>:
>
Why is Dell offering Ubuntu-preloaded hardware, then?
--
#191, ewi...@earthlink.net
Windows Vista. Because it's time to refresh your hardware. Trust us.
The Ghost In The Machine
<je...@nomad.mishnet>
wrote
on Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:07:50 -0500
<slrng89nk...@nomad.mishnet>:
> On 2008-07-21, Tim Smith <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>> In article <RqydnXQLqpA2LBnV...@comcast.com>,
>> General Schvantzkopf <schvan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Dell buries their Linux machines, it's easier to find the Loch Ness
>>> monster then it is to find a Linux box on Dell's website.
>>
>> Not really. Starting from www.dell.com:
>>
>> Clicked "Home and Home Office" in the "shop" section at the bottom.
Which they've moved, thank goodness; the old implementation
got hidden, presumably because of a z-ordering miscode.
>>
>> Clicked "Open-Source PCs" in the "PC Operating Systems" section in
>> the left sidebar.
>>
>> Clicked "Shop for Ubuntu".
>
> ...which is "fine" so long as you know that Ubuntu -> Linux.
>
> Although even that is rather obscure considering that you have to go
> through a link labeled "open source PCs" to get it.
To their credit, that link is now visible on the left
side without using their pulldown menu bar (which has
also been redesigned, to make it more obvious -- using
tiny downward-pointing triangles -- that it is a pulldown
menu bar).
Again to their credit, they have a small explainer on "What
Is Open Source?" on the page to which this link points,
plus short snippets on Ubuntu and FreeDOS, along with
green transference buttons (both of which are actually
put twice on this page, the assumption apparently that
one might either go directly there, or scroll down a bit
and read the fine print then go to where one wants; there's
also a "Shop for Windows" button in case one got here either
by mistake or has determined he does need Windows after all).
Of course one looking for Ubuntu will have to find this link;
I'm not sure everyone knows that Ubuntu is open source.
(I'm sure not everyone knows about Ubuntu, though. ;-) )
The blurb for Ubuntu mentions that it is "Linux-based",
which is probably sufficient for those "in the know".
The Average Joe is probably more interested in the rest
of the blurb, which among other things, mentions "office
productivity" software (going into detail what things are
in such), e-mail, calendar, and chat.
There is also a very tiny video viewer, showing a 4:53
video purporting to inform what Linux is without "geeking"
people out.
>
> Any navigation should be straight and to the point.
It could be better but this incarnation isn't too bad,
though it's still not quite equal to Windows. But
then, I'm not sure all customers "get it", unlike those
that www.eRacks.com expects to visit apparently (they
offer a choice of non-Windows distros, among them FreeBSD,
Ubuntu, and Gentoo -- *after* choosing hardware).
>
> [deletia]
>
--
#191, ewi...@earthlink.net
/dev/brain: Permission denied
relic
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, WhøKñèw
> <Whøkñèw@kñèwwhø.com>
> wrote
> on Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:01:22 GMT
> <625hk.269046$fz6....@fe08.news.easynews.com>:
>>
>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:r68ivwdhif37.rkdchpuugut9$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>
>>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>>
>>> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
>>> especially on notebooks.
>>>
>>> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz,
>>> Martii or HPT!!
>>>
>>> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO.
>>> You'll never lose it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends
>>> in with everything.
>>>
>>> So where is Linux?
>>>
>>> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the
>>> Christmas season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>>>
>>> Poor Linux...
>>>
>>
>> want it.
>>
>
> Why is Dell offering Ubuntu-preloaded hardware, then?
For those 2, I guess.
JockoBailey
"WhøKñèw" <Whøkñèw@kñèwwhø.com> wrote in message
news:625hk.269046$fz6....@fe08.news.easynews.com...
http://search.dell.com/results.aspx?s=bsd&c=us&l=en&cs=04&k=linux+desktop&cat=all
bugbuster
Not true. Choose a series and view models. Both Windows and Linux
versions are shown side by side.
Bug
Tim Smith
bugbuster <bugb...@nowhere.org> wrote:
> > If I go down the path of choosing a series, it looks like I no longer am
> > presented with a Linux option. It just leads to specific models, and
> > their customization pages, which don't seem to offer an OS choice.
> >
>
> Not true. Choose a series and view models. Both Windows and Linux
> versions are shown side by side.
OK, I see what happened. If you come in through the "home and home
office" path, like I did, there are no ThinkPads shown, just IdeaPad Y
and IdeaPad U series notebooks, and IdeaCentre K series desktops. They
don't offer Linux on any of these, it appears.
If you come in through, say, "small business", then it offers ThinkPads,
and selecting a series and then viewing models in that series will
include Linux models.
--
--Tim Smith
bugbuster
That is a bit strange. That's if you start from the Solutions column.
But if you go to Products->Notebooks it shows the Thinkpads.
Bug
Moshe Goldfarb.
I think so.
DFS
Chipmunk
> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>
> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
> especially on notebooks.
>
> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz, Martii
> or HPT!!
>
> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO.
> You'll never lose it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with
> everything.
>
> So where is Linux?
>
> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the Christmas
> season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>
> Poor Linux...
>
Well it goes something like this, if a manufacturer, distributor or
retailer wishes to supply their computers with MS windows installed they
get a licence from MS which, shall we say, limits their ability to
advertise or display some alternative OS's. I asked the manager of a
local branch of a well known computer store why he did not display any
of the linux distros he sells on any of the display computers, he said
doing so would breach the companies licence agreement with MS.
I also spoke to members of the technical department in the same store
about linux. They thought their customers would not know what to do with
a dos prompt, which made me laugh. I explained i'd just installed Suse
on one of my machines and had not seen a dos prompt, well ok one when
first booting from the CD your presented with a dos menu but all you
need to do is press return. After that you get a gui install not unlike
MS windows, you need to answer a few questions, geographical location,
time zone, language and are given the option to use the standard or
custom partition layout. The OS is installed, when done the CD or DVD is
ejected and a screen message tells you to remove the media and reboot.
After rebooting you are presented with a window (gui) system not unlike
MS windows, no dos prompt, unless you open a shell (command prompt in MS
speak.) Also Suse8.1 came with 7CD's 1DVD, 2 large manuals and 90 days
free support for 36GPB. A lot more than MS are willing to provide for
the Vista OS i bought at 50GBP which currently won't boot at all. MS
telephone support refer me to the email support, the email support refer
me to the telephone support, the telephone support want 46GBP before
they will consider offering any support at all. :(
If you install one of the free linux disros don't expect it to be
perfect, in most cases these are close to beta level, but the free
support you can expect from the linux community is outstanding so most
issues can be quickly resolved. If you want enterprise level software
and professional support then buy one of the commercial distros like
Suse or RedHat.
Hadron
> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>
>> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
>> especially on notebooks.
>>
>> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz, Martii
>> or HPT!!
>>
>> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO.
>> You'll never lose it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with
>> everything.
>>
>> So where is Linux?
>>
>> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the Christmas
>> season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>>
>> Poor Linux...
>>
>
> Well it goes something like this, if a manufacturer, distributor or
> retailer wishes to supply their computers with MS windows installed they
> get a licence from MS which, shall we say, limits their ability to
> advertise or display some alternative OS's. I asked the manager of a
> local branch of a well known computer store why he did not display any
> of the linux distros he sells on any of the display computers, he said
> doing so would breach the companies licence agreement with MS.
Rubbish. I know many stores which sell Mac and Windows ans, in some
cases, Linux.
This makes you another paranoid liar.
skydweller
The retailer referenced by Mr. Chipmunk actually *does* sell linux - he
stated as much. His point was that there were no display computers
running that OS. Perhaps you can tell us of the two (or more)
establishments in which you've seen linux on a display computer. I'd
like to pay them a visit - I've never seen such, myself.
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chrisv
> "Hadron" Quack puked:
>>
>> Chipmunk writes:
>>>
>>> Well it goes something like this, if a manufacturer, distributor or
>>> retailer wishes to supply their computers with MS windows installed
>>> they get a licence from MS which, shall we say, limits their ability to
>>> advertise or display some alternative OS's. I asked the manager of a
>>> local branch of a well known computer store why he did not display any
>>> of the linux distros he sells on any of the display computers, he said
>>> doing so would breach the companies licence agreement with MS.
>>
>> Rubbish. I know many stores which sell Mac and Windows ans, in some
>> cases, Linux.
>>
>> This makes you another paranoid liar.
>
>The retailer referenced by Mr. Chipmunk actually *does* sell linux - he
>stated as much. His point was that there were no display computers
>running that OS.
Exactly. This makes Quack a fscking piece of shit. This makes Quack
a fscking asshole. This makes Quack a liar. This makes Quack a
creep.
You see, Quack? For *zero* reason, you called someone a "paranoid
liar". This makes you a fscking piece of shit. This makes you a
fscking asshole. This makes you a liar. This makes you a creep.
Chipmunk
Fascinating response! very poor attempt an trolling though. Next time i
suggest you try reading a post before attempting to engage in unreasoned
argument and/or personal insults. Welcome to my kill file Mr.Troll.
chrisv
Since I agree with him, add me to your killfile too.
Moshe Goldfarb.
Can't be much of a killfile seeing as Google shows you making all of 19
posts............
hmmmmmm.....
Hadron
Actually it makes you an idiot. The comment above:
"advertise or display some alternative OS's"
is what I was referring to. And I can assure the stores I know advertise
and display to their hearts content.
--
I really think XP is going to be a flop. Between the glut of hardware out
there (and slowing down of purchasing), and the fact that W2K is
sufficient for so many casual users.... I just don't see it taking off.
comp.os.linux.advocacy - where they put the lunacy in advocacy
chrisv
>Chipmunk wrote:
>>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>> This makes you another paranoid liar.
>>
>> Fascinating response! very poor attempt an trolling though. Next time
>> i suggest you try reading a post before attempting to engage in
>> unreasoned argument and/or personal insults. Welcome to my kill file
>> Mr.Troll.
Good call. I plonked the "Hadron" asshole ages ago.
P.S. Be wary of forgeries.
>Since I agree with him, add me to your killfile too.
Ignore the forger.
skydweller
Which stores were those again? I'm interested in the ones with display
computers running something eye-catching like, say, Mandriva Spring 2008
with compiz-fusion. Display this next to Vista (preferably on a low-spec
machine that would have trouble *booting* Vista), and people would wonder
why they should pay premium $$$ for an inferior product. I'm sure that's
how you discovered Linux yourself.
I'm in New Jersey (US) and I still haven't seen anything of the sort in
any store. I'm dying to see your list of stores, as are others, I'm
sure. Please hurry, I can't stand the suspense.
chrisv
> chrisv wrote:
>
>> Chipmunk wrote:
>>>
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This makes you another paranoid liar.
>>>
>>> Fascinating response! very poor attempt an trolling though. Next
>>> time i suggest you try reading a post before attempting to engage in
>>> unreasoned argument and/or personal insults. Welcome to my kill file
>>> Mr.Troll.
>
> Good call. I plonked the "Hadron" asshole ages ago.
>
> P.S. Be wary of forgeries.
That wasn't Hadron? Missed that one...
Tim Smith
Chipmunk <rt...@NOSPOOMblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> advertise or display some alternative OS's. I asked the manager of a
> local branch of a well known computer store why he did not display any
> of the linux distros he sells on any of the display computers, he said
> doing so would breach the companies licence agreement with MS.
Why would a manager of a local branch know that?
--
--Tim Smith
Hadron
Not that I need to, but I've seen Linux and Windows side by side in
Walmart. In saturn I see Windows and Mac.
There are various smaller retail stores which do the same.
You're a paranoid nutcase.
Robin T Cox
> So where is Linux?
If it didn't bother you, you wouldn't troll about it, would you?
Confess: your paymasters are seriously worried that Linux is the most
serious threat to their undeserved former monopoly.
--
Facts are sacred ... but comment is free
Moshe Goldfarb.
The Walmart near where I live used to have Linux running.
So did MEI Microcenter at one time.
Not anymore though.
Moshe Goldfarb.
> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
>> So where is Linux?
>
> If it didn't bother you, you wouldn't troll about it, would you?
Somebody has to correct you Linux loons.
> Confess: your paymasters are seriously worried that Linux is the most
> serious threat to their undeserved former monopoly.
I don't get paid to do this, unlike other people around here who get paid
to SPAM Microsoft hate all over the globe.
As for a threat to Microsoft, of course Linux is a threat.
In the server market.
Maybe in 20 years on the desktop, at the current rate.
OSX is Microsoft's biggest worry for desktop right now.
However, Microsoft or any other company would be foolish to ignore Linux
because the public is fickle and Linux is changing and improving, somewhat,
all the time.
All it would take is for Linux to come up with some idea that is so
revolutionary and in demand by the general public for it to become very
popular, very quickly.
However, as long as Linux keeps trying to copy Microsoft Windows, and not
doing it very well, Linux is doomed to fail.
Alias
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:30:46 GMT, Robin T Cox wrote:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>
>>> So where is Linux?
>> If it didn't bother you, you wouldn't troll about it, would you?
>
> Somebody has to correct you Linux loons.
>
>> Confess: your paymasters are seriously worried that Linux is the most
>> serious threat to their undeserved former monopoly.
>
> I don't get paid to do this, unlike other people around here who get paid
> to SPAM Microsoft hate all over the globe.
>
> As for a threat to Microsoft, of course Linux is a threat.
> In the server market.
> Maybe in 20 years on the desktop, at the current rate.
> OSX is Microsoft's biggest worry for desktop right now.
>
> However, Microsoft or any other company would be foolish to ignore Linux
> because the public is fickle and Linux is changing and improving, somewhat,
> all the time.
>
> All it would take is for Linux to come up with some idea that is so
> revolutionary and in demand by the general public for it to become very
> popular, very quickly.
>
> However, as long as Linux keeps trying to copy Microsoft Windows, and not
> doing it very well, Linux is doomed to fail.
>
>
Personally, I think that all OSes have their good and bad points. I use
XP and Ubuntu. Soon I will be forced to use Vista to play DirectX10
games. What's the big deal about which to use and which to not use when
you can use them all?
Alias
skydweller
A few things:
1) This is a linux newsgroup, I don't care about macs.
2) I'm glad WalMart is doing the right thing. I'll check the one on Rt.
59 and report back.
3) It appears you are grammar-challenged; at the moment, you are
confusing the singular with the plural. You mentioned *one* store
(singular) which has a linux display computer, yet earlier in this thread
you twice referred to *stores* (plural). Perhaps you are also
experiencing memory loss; allow me to help. Pick one out of the
following list which might have a linux computer on display:
Best Buy
Circuit City
Comp USA
Staples
Office Depot
Office Max
4) Your dictionary of epithets is woefully underpopulated. "Paranoid
nutcase" and "paranoid liar" in the same thread?!? Surely you can do
better than that.
Ezekiel
"skydweller" <peo...@commiemartyrs.net> wrote in message
news:48861dec$0$5010$607e...@cv.net...
None of these stores display mainframes or SPARC servers either. Obviously
the reason is that Microsoft signed a secret OEM deal with them that
prevents them from displaying Windows side-by-side with mainframes and SPARC
servers.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
Ezekiel
"Tim Smith" <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
news:reply_in_group-806...@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
For some reason every time one of these stories is told the
assistant-manager, local manager, sales person and the cashier all seem to
know ever little detail about the "secret OEM contracts" that the corporate
headquarters signed with Microsoft.
> --
> --Tim Smith
skydweller
I didn't know that mainframes and SPARC workstations were consumer items,
but you've piqued my interest. Where can I buy those?
skydweller
Come on, everybody knows it's the sanitation guy. I saw him in Dilbert.
Hadron
ebay for a start.
--
If you take both of those factors together then WinXP is a flop, selling
*less* than Win 98 by a factor of two.
comp.os.linux.advocacy - where they the lunacy in advocacy
chrisv
>>
>> Actually it makes you an idiot.
Wrong again, fsckwit.
>>The comment above:
>>
>> "advertise or display some alternative OS's"
>>
>> is what I was referring to.
I don't care what you claim you were "referring to", fsckwit. What
you were responding-to was this:
>>>>> I asked the manager
>>>>> of a local branch of a well known computer store why he did not
>>>>> display any of the linux distros he sells on any of the display
>>>>> computers, he said doing so would breach the companies licence
>>>>> agreement with MS.
A direct observation (no LINUX machines on display) was made. A
question was asked and answered as indicated above.
It was a fair and honest anecdote. You had NO REASON to sling insults
like "paranoid liar", you fscking ASSHOLE.
Tim Smith
Hadron <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Not that I need to, but I've seen Linux and Windows side by side in
> Walmart. In saturn I see Windows and Mac.
For the snobs who wouldn't want to be seen going into a Walmart, Windows
and Mac can be seen together at many Best Buy stores.
--
--Tim Smith
Tim Smith
skydweller <peo...@commiemartyrs.net> wrote:
> > Not that I need to, but I've seen Linux and Windows side by side in
> > Walmart. In saturn I see Windows and Mac.
> >
> > There are various smaller retail stores which do the same.
> >
> > You're a paranoid nutcase.
>
> A few things:
>
> 1) This is a linux newsgroup, I don't care about macs.
>
> 2) I'm glad WalMart is doing the right thing. I'll check the one on Rt.
> 59 and report back.
I don't think you'll find one. They used to have them, but dropped them
due to lack of customer interest. They continue to sell them via the
net, though, as there was serious customer interest there.
--
--Tim Smith
Tim Smith
"Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The Walmart near where I live used to have Linux running.
> So did MEI Microcenter at one time.
>
> Not anymore though.
What some people are overlooking is that most of the stores people are
naming do not make their own computers. They offer brand name systems
from companies like HP, Dell, Toshiba, Sony, and others. Until those
companies decide they want to sell their Linux boxes through retail
stores instead of just through their web sites, you aren't going to see
Linux boxes in many stores.
The retail stores are willing to sell pretty much whatever the computer
companies want to sell. Well, they are willing to try. If HP asked
them to sell a given model, and it flopped, the store might tell HP they
no longer want to carry that model.
Based on Walmart's experience, I think it will be a while before the
computer companies want to try retail store Linux sales. The kind of
people who buy computers from a local retail store just don't overlap
much with the kind of people who want a Linux box.
(The Asus EEE is an exception, because people want the EEE for its form
factor, and a large fraction use it as an appliance and so don't care
what OS is on it).
--
--Tim Smith
Chipmunk
Hmm maybe im being a bit thick here but AFAIK my kill file does not stop
me posting or anyone else, it stops me seeing posts made by ppl i add to
it. I see no reason to read posts like Mr.Hadron's reply as they are
less than helpful.
Chipmunk
Moshe Goldfarb.
I was getting at the fact that you just "sort of appeared" and now seem to
be quite well versed in kill files....
We get a lot of people like that.
Most of them are High Plains Thumper nymshifting...
Chipmunk
This has to be the oddest news group i've ever joined. Why would you ask
that? Why would he not know that? I'd suspect it's fairly important to
be aware of the limitations imposed by company agreements less he break
them and cause a lawsuit or removal of said licence/s. Along with fire
regulations, public safety, public insurance, H&S for the work force etc.
You don't have to take my word for it, i simply repeated what the
manager told me, in law that's hearsay and not admissible evidence. Go
to your local computer shop, make sure its one that sells some Linux
OS's, check the computers on display, see any running Linux? Then ask
the manager why. Or apply to MS for a licence by telling them you are
setting up in business selling computers and wish to offer their windows
software pre installed. i'm sure they will be happy to send you a copy
of the licence agreement, which you can read and either confirm or
refute my reiteration of this managers statement.
In answer to your question, i'd say it's his job to know that. :)
Chipmunk
Chipmunk
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:57:10 GMT, Chipmunk wrote:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:07:25 GMT, Chipmunk wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>>> This makes you another paranoid liar.
>>>> Fascinating response! very poor attempt an trolling though. Next time i
>>>> suggest you try reading a post before attempting to engage in unreasoned
>>>> argument and/or personal insults. Welcome to my kill file Mr.Troll.
>>> Can't be much of a killfile seeing as Google shows you making all of 19
>>> posts............
>>>
>>> hmmmmmm.....
>> Hmm maybe im being a bit thick here but AFAIK my kill file does not stop
>> me posting or anyone else, it stops me seeing posts made by ppl i add to
>> it. I see no reason to read posts like Mr.Hadron's reply as they are
>> less than helpful.
>
> be quite well versed in kill files....
>
> We get a lot of people like that.
>
> Most of them are High Plains Thumper nymshifting...
>
Did i, oh dear didn't mean to, just joined this group as Vista has me
stumped atm. Can't get it to boot any more, generally i find solutions
through forums, google or MS knowledge base. In desperation i tried the
support phone line who referred me to the email support who referred me
here or back to the phone support to pay 46GPB. So here i am. :)
First time i've ever had the need of a kill file, normally just avoid
feeding trolls but that particular poster started out with miss
quoting/interpreting my post and insulting me. Not sure what you mean by
High Plains Thumper nymshifting, presumably some sort of insult to
fleeting posters. :)
(I realise this thread is being cross posted to several news groups, i'm
posting to microsoft.public.windows.vista.general)
Chipmunk
Gregory Shearman
No big deal at all.
Unfortunately, there seems to be a small group of Linux haters here,
trolling this newsgroup.
This is the purpose of COLA, to catch all the linux haters and limit
the damage to other linux technical and help groups.
Think of us as the troll minders....
--
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
Alias
Really!
>
> Unfortunately, there seems to be a small group of Linux haters here,
> trolling this newsgroup.
How can one hate an operating system? It's only a tool.
>
> This is the purpose of COLA, to catch all the linux haters and limit
> the damage to other linux technical and help groups.
>
> Think of us as the troll minders....
That's a noble endeavor and I see these trolls also hang out at
vista.general.
Alias
joevan
> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately, there seems to be a small group of Linux haters here,
>> trolling this newsgroup.
>
> How can one hate an operating system? It's only a tool.
Then there must be another agenda wouldn't you think Alias? I wonder
what that could be. Could it be the *game* that you so easily bite on?
>
>>
>> This is the purpose of COLA, to catch all the linux haters and limit
>> the damage to other linux technical and help groups.
>>
>> Think of us as the troll minders....
>
> That's a noble endeavor and I see these trolls also hang out at
> vista.general.
>
With Alias being one of them in vista.general or is easily baited. This
NG is just a troll communications NG shit hole with the shit from this
NG being dumped into other NG(s).
Can everyone see Alias' one track mind here when it's one of the head
instigators itself? Alias contributes to a great deal of the noise level
in VG but is posting here like its shit don't stink. That's too funny.
JEDIDIAH
> Alias wrote:
>> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, there seems to be a small group of Linux haters here,
>>> trolling this newsgroup.
>>
>> How can one hate an operating system? It's only a tool.
Yeah... because we all know that using a poor or inappropriate
tool can NEVER be frustrating or even potentially cause injury tot
he person using it...
<rolls eyes>
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Felmon
>
> How can one hate an operating system? It's only a tool.
some hate the rack. some hate the noose. I don't like prostate biopsies.
but you're right, they are only tools.
Felmon
Hadron
And then you came to a Linux "advocacy" group to fix Vista.
LOL! Only in COLA!
What a load of bullshit. You must be High Plains Hypocrite since no one
else would be stupid enough to think anyone would believe that
ludicrous statement. Except for pucker lips Liarnut of course.
High Plains Thumper
> Chipmunk <rt...@NOSPOOMblueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>
>> Did i, oh dear didn't mean to, just joined this group as Vista has me
>> stumped atm. Can't get it to boot any more, generally i find solutions
>> through forums, google or MS knowledge base. In desperation i tried the
>> support phone line who referred me to the email support who referred me
>> here or back to the phone support to pay 46GPB. So here i am. :)
>
> And then you came to a Linux "advocacy" group to fix Vista.
>
> LOL! Only in COLA!
>
> What a load of bullshit. You must be High Plains Hypocrite since no one
> else would be stupid enough to think anyone would believe that ludicrous
> statement. Except for pucker lips Liarnut of course.
Lie. Acute myopic illiteracy, and bad at that. I don't use Virginmedia
for an ISP and I don't reside in UK.
Hadron opens his trap and can't even get things right. Stupidity among
the trolls runs high here.
Oh, and I agree with Chipmunk. Compared with Linux, Edubuntu
(educator's variant of Ubuntu) and Debian beats Vista by a landslide in
usability, stability, execability, and etc.
--
HPT
--
HPT
Mark Kent
HPT - I think that our intra-nuclear particle might be yanking your
chain here. I don't think that he really believes that you are chipmunk,
rather, I think he's just trying to trawl a response from you. You
might consider just kfiling him - it works for me.
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High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper espoused:
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> What a load of bullshit. You must be High Plains Hypocrite since no
>>> one else would be stupid enough to think anyone would believe that
>>> ludicrous statement. Except for pucker lips Liarnut of course.
>>
>> Lie. Acute myopic illiteracy, and bad at that. I don't use
>> Virginmedia for an ISP and I don't reside in UK.
>>
>> Hadron opens his trap and can't even get things right. Stupidity among
>> the trolls runs high here.
>>
>> Oh, and I agree with Chipmunk. Compared with Linux, Edubuntu
>> (educator's variant of Ubuntu) and Debian beats Vista by a landslide in
>> usability, stability, execability, and etc.
>
> HPT - I think that our intra-nuclear particle might be yanking your
> chain here. I don't think that he really believes that you are
> chipmunk, rather, I think he's just trying to trawl a response from you.
> You might consider just kfiling him - it works for me.
Enough of him bleeds through with advocate replies. I work on multiple
computers. Don't have the killfilters universally dispersed. Besides, he
gives opportunities to advocate Linux.
But you are right. Most of his drivel is not worth replying to. It is
hard to argue with a supreme moron.
--
HPT
Erik Jan
Actually the trolls do advocate Linux. Their arguments are
generalizations that everyone knows to be worthless, defamations of
character and personal attacks, worthless adolescent bickering revealing
their sexual obsessions, and even blatant lies. If this is all they are
able to bring to the discussions, the patient reader learns that the
position of Linux must be unassailable and that Windows is losing its
quality and attractiveness.
Microsoft being what it is -- enormous with a lot of money to spend,
with professional lobbyists everywhere and a position of power with the
OEMs -- will be most influential in the world's economy for many years.
But it has clearly lost something important: the enduser's goodwill. The
enduser is not Microsoft's main customer. The OEM is. But since the
enduser is the one that must pay for it all, his grumblings and
discontent will decide Microsoft's fate in the long run.
OEMs are now offering computers with Linux Distributions on it. Yahoo!
is able to say "no" to MS twice. MS is losing its stranglehold on the
computing world and knows it. What the computing world needs, is just a
bit of patience and our use and active support of Linux.
Erik Jan
Hadron
I wish I could compress all that nonsense into 4 lines. It would make a
wonderful COLA signature!
--
"True. Due to a lack of competition, there essentially have been no
improvements to Microsoft's operating system and office software. It
just works."
-- High Plains Thumper <highplai...@invalid.invalid> in comp.os.linux.advocacy
JEDIDIAH
> Erik Jan <no...@home.here> writes:
>
>> Gregory Shearman had de volgende lumineuze gedachte op 23-07-08 04:57:
>>> On 2008-07-22, Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.cl> wrote:
>>>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:30:46 GMT, Robin T Cox wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
[deletia]
>> OEMs are now offering computers with Linux Distributions on it. Yahoo!
>> is able to say "no" to MS twice. MS is losing its stranglehold on the
>> computing world and knows it. What the computing world needs, is just
>> a bit of patience and our use and active support of Linux.
>>
>> Erik Jan
>
> I wish I could compress all that nonsense into 4 lines. It would make a
> wonderful COLA signature!
Don't despair, all the Lemmings have left is FUD and immature behaivor.
--
Truth is irrelevant as long as the predictions are good. |||
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Moshe Goldfarb.
> Hadron wrote:
>> Chipmunk <rt...@NOSPOOMblueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>>
>>> Did i, oh dear didn't mean to, just joined this group as Vista has me
>>> stumped atm. Can't get it to boot any more, generally i find solutions
>>> through forums, google or MS knowledge base. In desperation i tried the
>>> support phone line who referred me to the email support who referred me
>>> here or back to the phone support to pay 46GPB. So here i am. :)
>>
>> And then you came to a Linux "advocacy" group to fix Vista.
>>
>> LOL! Only in COLA!
>>
>> What a load of bullshit. You must be High Plains Hypocrite since no one
>> else would be stupid enough to think anyone would believe that ludicrous
>> statement. Except for pucker lips Liarnut of course.
>
> Lie. Acute myopic illiteracy, and bad at that. I don't use Virginmedia
> for an ISP and I don't reside in UK.
And neither does flatfish yet you seem to think it's the same person
posting from all over the freaking globe.
FWIW it sure looks like you HPT.
Like Hadron says, who else could be that ignorant?
Moshe Goldfarb.
> I wish I could compress all that nonsense into 4 lines. It would make a
> wonderful COLA signature!
Keywords: Offering pre-loaded Linux machines for sale.
Offering != actually selling....
See Walmart and Loki, along with HP for details....
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>> Hadron wrote:
>>> Chipmunk <rt...@NOSPOOMblueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>>>
>>>> Did i, oh dear didn't mean to, just joined this group as Vista has me
>>>> stumped atm. Can't get it to boot any more, generally i find
>>>> solutions through forums, google or MS knowledge base. In desperation
>>>> i tried the support phone line who referred me to the email support
>>>> who referred me here or back to the phone support to pay 46GPB. So
>>>> here i am. :)
>>>
>>> And then you came to a Linux "advocacy" group to fix Vista.
>>>
>>> LOL! Only in COLA!
>>>
>>> What a load of bullshit. You must be High Plains Hypocrite since no
>>> one else would be stupid enough to think anyone would believe that
>>> ludicrous statement. Except for pucker lips Liarnut of course.
>>
>> Lie. Acute myopic illiteracy, and bad at that. I don't use
>> Virginmedia for an ISP and I don't reside in UK.
>
> And neither does flatfish yet you seem to think it's the same person
> posting from all over the freaking globe.
Interesting, Moshe defends flatfish telling a lie by putting words in my
mouth I did not utter.
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics
23. Lie.
Lie, lie, lie, lie. If you do it often enough you may create the
appearance of truth.
> FWIW it sure looks like you HPT.
Lie.
[6.] When your tactics are turned on you, call you opponents trolls.
Do not accept the fact that by calling someone using your tactics a
troll that makes you the real troll.
> Like Hadron says, who else could be that ignorant?
Lie.
[3.] Put your opponent off guard by insulting him.
The liberal use of profanity and vulgarisms can be very effective,
particularly when used against you more dignified opponents. Your
experience as a school yard bully can be handy here.
--
HPT
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>> Hadron wrote:
>>> Chipmunk <rt...@NOSPOOMblueyonder.co.uk> writes:
>>>
>>>> Did i, oh dear didn't mean to, just joined this group as Vista has me
>>>> stumped atm. Can't get it to boot any more, generally i find
>>>> solutions through forums, google or MS knowledge base. In desperation
>>>> i tried the support phone line who referred me to the email support
>>>> who referred me here or back to the phone support to pay 46GPB. So
>>>> here i am. :)
>>>
>>> And then you came to a Linux "advocacy" group to fix Vista.
>>>
>>> LOL! Only in COLA!
>>>
>>> What a load of bullshit. You must be High Plains Hypocrite since no
>>> one else would be stupid enough to think anyone would believe that
>>> ludicrous statement. Except for pucker lips Liarnut of course.
>>
>> Lie. Acute myopic illiteracy, and bad at that. I don't use
>> Virginmedia for an ISP and I don't reside in UK.
>
> And neither does flatfish yet you seem to think it's the same person
> posting from all over the freaking globe.
I did not utteresting words in my mouth I did not utting, moshe defends
in my mouth I did not utting words flatfish telling a lie by
putteresting words in my mouth I did not utteresting, moshe deefends.
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
Tactics 7.6 trespasser disinformation tactics 7.6 trespasser
disinformation tac
You may create the appearance of truth. 23. Lie. If you do it often
enough you may create the appearance of truth. 23. Lie. Lie. If you may
create the appearance often enough you may create thee.
> FWIW it sure looks like you HPT.
Lie.
Tactics are turned on your tact that makes you, calling your tactics a
trolls. Do not accept that by call your tact that by call troll your
tactics a troll that makes your tact that makes your tact the factics a
troll you that makes your tactics a troll you the real that makes you
the fact that by call that makes you, call you, calling someonents
trrolls.
> Like Hadron says, who else could be that ignorant?
Lie.
Him. The liberal use of profanity and vulgarisms can be very effective,
particularly when used againsulting him. The liberal use off guard bully
when used opponent off guard by insulting him. The liberal used against
you more dignified opponents. Your opponents. Your opponent off guard by
inst you more dignified againsulting him. The liberal used against your
experience as a school yard bully can be handy here. [3.] put you more
dignified againsulting him. The liberal use of.
High Plains Thumper
> Goldfarb wrote: moshe goldfarb wrote: moshe golldfarb.
>
>> posting from all over the freaking globe.
>
> I did not utteresting words in my mouth I did not utting, moshe defends in
> my mouth I did not utting words flatfish telling a lie by putteresting
> words in my mouth I did not utteresting, moshe deefends.
>
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>
> Tactics 7.6 trespasser disinformation tactics 7.6 trespasser
> disinformation tac
>
> You may create the appearance of truth. 23. Lie. If you do it often enough
> you may create the appearance of truth. 23. Lie. Lie. If you may create
> the appearance often enough you may create thee.
<SNIP rest of illiteracy mimed troll shite>
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:38:55 -1200
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http://faqs.cs.uu.nl/na-dir/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer.html
[quote]
7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics
[8.] Keep posting non-stop. Flood the group with your idiocy and
nonsense. Some readers may equate your volume with proof of quality. You
will tie good Linux advocates in knots trying to refute you and they won't
have time for real advocacy.
27. Use Spelling and Grammatical Errors to Distract. Make statements
like, "Why do you nea d to dbug the cernal? Is lienux not working agen!"
When this tactic works, you have disarmed the supporters of Linux who have
chosen to ignore you because of your idiot act, others may react to your
style and fail to refute your disinformation. Meanwhile, you have posted
your disinformation in support your cause.
[/quote]
--
HPT
Indien gij Mij liefhebt, zo bewaart Mijn geboden. Johannes 14:15
Mark Kent
As per the Dilbert line, they drag you down to their level and then try
to beat you with their experience.