Microsoft bashers are ignorant!
Stephen S Edwards II
seeing posts meant for .advocacy groups finding their way onto the
'serious' forums... especially since most of them are about nothing but:
"Bill Gates is an ass!... Windows is crap, while Linux is peach pie!...
Let's convert everone to Linux/Amiga/MAC!"
EVERY OS has it's merits. I have faithfully used, Linux, Win3.1, WinNT,
AmigaDOS, System7, and a few others I can't really recall. I found
things in these OS's that I liked, and things that I disliked.
Linux is great... if you are a software developer.
WinNT or AmigaDOS is terrific... if you are a graphics man (as I am).
System7 is great if you are into desktop publishing like there is no
tomorrow.
Win3.1 is... well, not great, but good for people with very limited needs.
Win95... I haven't used yet, but despite all of the bug reports, I hear
it's still pretty slick.
Personally, I LIKE MicroSoft's products, as they allow me to do the
things I wish to do (primarily 3-D graphics). I tried to find some
decent 3-D packages for Linux, but all they have available are shell
based ray tracers... YUCK! These are completely useless in the
professional arena, so naturally, I trashed Linux in favor of WinNT.
<I CHALLENGE anyone out there to show me a Linux application comperable
to LIGHTWAVE for WinNT!!!!>
However, if I were interested in DEVELOPING 3-D applications, then sure,
Linux would have been the cream of the crop for me!
I owned (well, okay, LOVED) an Amiga 2000 for nearly 8 years before I got
my P90. The Amiga OS is excellent, and, in its time, surpassed that of
even the mighty UNIX, IMHO. However, nowadays, the Amiga OS is falling
behind, and isn't as reliable as many other OS's out there. <Damn!...
The Amiga is still pretty cool, though! :) >.
What is my point... DON'T BE SO DAMNED JUDGEMENTAL ABOUT OTHER OS'S! It
should be clear, to every TRULY knowledgeable computer guru out there,
that every OS is going to cater to different people. Bashing the MS
OS's, simply because they don't cater specifically to YOUR needs, is
infantile... it's petty... it is the stuff that canines layeth upon thine
yard, and it shows nothing more than the fact that someone has nothing
better to do than whine about something they could easily change to their
advantage... to suit their needs.
So stop whining... stop wasting bandwidth, and time... and use what works
for you. THAT is my point.
Ciao
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Snit
: Hello. First of all, let me just say that I am really getting bored of
: 'serious' forums... especially since most of them are about nothing but:
: "Bill Gates is an ass!... Windows is crap, while Linux is peach pie!...
: Let's convert everone to Linux/Amiga/MAC!"
Hey! What about GS/OS! Let us end the BS between the
Linux/Amiga/PC/MacOS folks and think about GS/OS.
: EVERY OS has it's merits. I have faithfully used, Linux, Win3.1, WinNT,
: AmigaDOS, System7, and a few others I can't really recall. I found
: things in these OS's that I liked, and things that I disliked.
And there are a few things in GS/OS that are not up to par with some
of the listed OS's above. But you really should try it.
: Linux is great... if you are a software developer.
So is GS/OS. well...
: WinNT or AmigaDOS is terrific... if you are a graphics man (as I am).
So is GS/OS. well....
: System7 is great if you are into desktop publishing like there is no
: tomorrow.
So is GS/OS. well....
: Win3.1 is... well, not great, but good for people with very limited needs.
How limited? I think Win 3.1 is just about on the bottom of the
barrel.
: Win95... I haven't used yet, but despite all of the bug reports, I hear
: it's still pretty slick.
You already gave your critique for MacOS... water it down a bit and
add some useless confusion and (more) bugs and you have Win95.
: Personally, I LIKE MicroSoft's products, as they allow me to do the
: things I wish to do (primarily 3-D graphics). I tried to find some
: decent 3-D packages for Linux, but all they have available are shell
: based ray tracers... YUCK! These are completely useless in the
: professional arena, so naturally, I trashed Linux in favor of WinNT.
: <I CHALLENGE anyone out there to show me a Linux application comperable
: to LIGHTWAVE for WinNT!!!!>
: However, if I were interested in DEVELOPING 3-D applications, then sure,
: Linux would have been the cream of the crop for me!
Have you explored GS/OS?
: I owned (well, okay, LOVED) an Amiga 2000 for nearly 8 years before I got
: my P90. The Amiga OS is excellent, and, in its time, surpassed that of
: even the mighty UNIX, IMHO. However, nowadays, the Amiga OS is falling
: behind, and isn't as reliable as many other OS's out there. <Damn!...
: The Amiga is still pretty cool, though! :) >.
: What is my point... DON'T BE SO DAMNED JUDGEMENTAL ABOUT OTHER OS'S! It
: should be clear, to every TRULY knowledgeable computer guru out there,
: that every OS is going to cater to different people. Bashing the MS
: OS's, simply because they don't cater specifically to YOUR needs, is
: infantile... it's petty... it is the stuff that canines layeth upon thine
: yard, and it shows nothing more than the fact that someone has nothing
: better to do than whine about something they could easily change to their
: advantage... to suit their needs.
: So stop whining... stop wasting bandwidth, and time... and use what works
: for you. THAT is my point.
I agree. But why didn't you even mention one of the best OS's out
there?
Use GS/OS?
Sam Trenholme
>decent 3-D packages for Linux, but all they have available are shell
>based ray tracers... YUCK! These are completely useless in the
>professional arena, so naturally, I trashed Linux in favor of WinNT.
Mnm has been ported to Linux, and lets you do GUI-based modelling.
Ditto with sced.
Please know what you are talking about before you flame Linux.
I find that the only reason one would not want to do Linux is becuase
you have better things to do with your time than to learn Unix.
Which is understandable if you have a wife. Which I don't.
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I use Linux at home. For more information, look at http://www.linux.org
There are no less than 2 things broken with my Linux machine, Free Love
Christopher P. Edgin
gee, just what the world needs, another obscure operating system. I suppose
there would be world peace & harmony and everyone would drink Sprite if they
all would use GS/OS.
I am sure Joe Average would love to go through the exciting process of
downloading it from:
http:\\www.dink.odd.edu.zim\strange`obscure\operating.system\ftp\pub\notsuppor
ted\os\ihavenoclue\gsos\link.has.been.moved\`loser
Christopher P. Edgin
"Haben sie nicht ein kuhe, mann!"
Amiga users never have a cow ;-)
Daryl
>
>>I tried to find some
>>decent 3-D packages for Linux, but all they have available are shell
>>based ray tracers... YUCK! These are completely useless in the
>>professional arena, so naturally, I trashed Linux in favor of WinNT.
>
>Mnm has been ported to Linux, and lets you do GUI-based modelling.
>
>Ditto with sced.
>
>Please know what you are talking about before you flame Linux.
Hmmm. I didn't see any flames of Linux in the original post, only of
the sort of advocate who appears to be serving a personal need other
than simply spreading their joy...
>I find that the only reason one would not want to do Linux is becuase
>you have better things to do with your time than to learn Unix.
Learning Unix is the tip of the iceberg.
>Which is understandable if you have a wife. Which I don't.
Would that all advocates of all stripes had such grasp!
-Daryl
Thomas Bartlett
>: things I wish to do (primarily 3-D graphics). I tried to find some
>: decent 3-D packages for Linux, but all they have available are shell
>: based ray tracers... YUCK! These are completely useless in the
>: professional arena, so naturally, I trashed Linux in favor of WinNT.
Jake Hamby
>
> Hey! What about GS/OS! Let us end the BS between the
> Linux/Amiga/PC/MacOS folks and think about GS/OS.
>
>
> Use GS/OS?
I assume you're being facetious in your "Use GS/OS" posts, but I think there is a
fundamental difference between GS/OS (no matter how good it may have been for its
time) and Amiga (or Linux or MacOS, etc). That is, the Apple IIgs was probably the
very best 8/16-bit machine of its time, but that's all it was. It bridged the gap
between 8 bits and 16-bits, but never made the transition to 32-bits that the PC did
(with the 386). And of course the Mac and Amiga were fully 32-bit from the
beginning. Also, you like to say how good your IIgs is, compared to 486's and
Pentiums, but let me ask you this. Could it run any of the following apps:
1) Access the Internet? Is there a IIgs Web browser perchance? :)
2) Develop software in C++? Is there even a good ANSI C compiler for IIgs?
3) Interchange word processor documents (complete with fonts and inline images) with
users on other platforms?
4) Run any variant of UNIX on it?
5) Emulate the MacOS with it (after all, it is an Apple, right?) :-)
6) Emulate MS-DOS with it?
7) Connect high-capacity (>1 gigabyte) SCSI hard drives, tape drives, and CD-ROMs?
I'm sure I could think of others. The point is that I can do all of these things
with my Amiga, not to mention my PC, quite well, but I doubt that you could do any
of them on your IIgs. My Amiga's C++ compiler is Copyright 1995, by the way, and
follows all of the ANSI standards. I think that is a better development environment
for new software than anything your IIgs ever had (assembly language anyone?) :)
Anyway, I'm sure you know this, and were just mentioning your IIgs as an example of
how much better the PC "could have been" but it is getting kind of silly to keep
mentioning it in your posts. You might want to compare the PC against other 32-bit
machines, at least (like the Amiga) :)
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Jake Hamby
pie...@jersey.net
>Snit wrote:
>>
>> Hey! What about GS/OS! Let us end the BS between the
>> Linux/Amiga/PC/MacOS folks and think about GS/OS.
>>
>> (more GS/OS stuff deleted)...
>>
>> Use GS/OS?
>
>I assume you're being facetious in your "Use GS/OS" posts, but I think there is a
>fundamental difference between GS/OS (no matter how good it may have been for its
>time) and Amiga (or Linux or MacOS, etc). That is, the Apple IIgs was probably the
>very best 8/16-bit machine of its time, but that's all it was. It bridged the gap
>between 8 bits and 16-bits, but never made the transition to 32-bits that the PC did
>(with the 386). And of course the Mac and Amiga were fully 32-bit from the
>beginning. Also, you like to say how good your IIgs is, compared to 486's and
>Pentiums, but let me ask you this. Could it run any of the following apps:
>
Actually, there have been some rumors on c.s.a2 about third-party companies
building a 32-bit Apple II on a 32-bit version of the 6502 (one does exist, but
I don't remember the name)
>1) Access the Internet? Is there a IIgs Web browser perchance? :)
Yes! GS/TCP was released last month. No Web browser yet, but I think there
is at least one in development.
>2) Develop software in C++? Is there even a good ANSI C compiler for IIgs?
Sorry, I can't answer that one. My programming on the GS is limited to Applesoft.
I can find out if you really want to know.
>3) Interchange word processor documents (complete with fonts and inline images) with
>users on other platforms?
I don't know off the top of my head, but I could check.
>4) Run any variant of UNIX on it?
Yes! GNO/ME.
>5) Emulate the MacOS with it (after all, it is an Apple, right?) :-)
Sorry, can't do that. :( A GS can read HFS-formatted media, though.
>6) Emulate MS-DOS with it?
With added hardware, yes! The PC Transporter card comes to mind immediately
(XT), and I believe there are others. There are some CP/M cards (oh, boy!) as
well.
>7) Connect high-capacity (>1 gigabyte) SCSI hard drives, tape drives, and CD-ROMs?
>
Yes! I believe >1 gig drives are usable, and I know SCSI tape drives and CD-ROM
drives (no IDE stuff) are usable. I will admit that GS programs on CD are hard
to find, to say the least.
>I'm sure I could think of others. The point is that I can do all of these things
>with my Amiga, not to mention my PC, quite well, but I doubt that you could do any
>of them on your IIgs.
Bet you were surprised, then! :)
> My Amiga's C++ compiler is Copyright 1995, by the way, and
>follows all of the ANSI standards. I think that is a better development environment
>for new software than anything your IIgs ever had (assembly language anyone?) :)
6502/65C02/65C816 assembly, Applesoft & Integer BASIC, C (regular C, not ++),
Forth, Fortran, Lisp, Logo, Modula-2, Pascal are mentioned by name in the GS's
manual, and there are likely more by now (ROM 3 manual copyright 88).
>Anyway, I'm sure you know this, and were just mentioning your IIgs as an example of
>how much better the PC "could have been" but it is getting kind of silly to keep
>mentioning it in your posts. You might want to compare the PC against other 32-bit
>machines, at least (like the Amiga) :)
>
Why is it silly? Because it can do so much, it's an embarrasment to "modern"
computers? :)
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>
> Hey! What about GS/OS! Let us end the BS between the
> Linux/Amiga/PC/MacOS folks and think about GS/OS.
>
> (more GS/OS stuff deleted)...
>
> Use GS/OS?
I assume you're being facetious in your "Use GS/OS" posts, but I think there is a
fundamental difference between GS/OS (no matter how good it may have been for its
time) and Amiga (or Linux or MacOS, etc). That is, the Apple IIgs was probably the
very best 8/16-bit machine of its time, but that's all it was. It bridged the gap
between 8 bits and 16-bits, but never made the transition to 32-bits that the PC did
(with the 386). And of course the Mac and Amiga were fully 32-bit from the
beginning. Also, you like to say how good your IIgs is, compared to 486's and
Pentiums, but let me ask you this. Could it run any of the following apps:
1) Access the Internet? Is there a IIgs Web browser perchance? :)
2) Develop software in C++? Is there even a good ANSI C compiler for IIgs?
3) Interchange word processor documents (complete with fonts and inline images) with
users on other platforms?
4) Run any variant of UNIX on it?
5) Emulate the MacOS with it (after all, it is an Apple, right?) :-)
6) Emulate MS-DOS with it?
7) Connect high-capacity (>1 gigabyte) SCSI hard drives, tape drives, and CD-ROMs?
I'm sure I could think of others. The point is that I can do all of these things
with my Amiga, not to mention my PC, quite well, but I doubt that you could do any
of them on your IIgs. My Amiga's C++ compiler is Copyright 1995, by the way, and
follows all of the ANSI standards. I think that is a better development environment
for new software than anything your IIgs ever had (assembly language anyone?) :)
Anyway, I'm sure you know this, and were just mentioning your IIgs as an example of
how much better the PC "could have been" but it is getting kind of silly to keep
mentioning it in your posts. You might want to compare the PC against other 32-bit
machines, at least (like the Amiga) :)
--
Sam Trenholme
>>you have better things to do with your time than to learn Unix.
>
>Learning Unix is the tip of the iceberg.
Please enlighten me. What is the rest of "the iceberg"?
I must admit, however, the Win95 is prettier than Linux. Slower than
Linux, multitasks much less smoothly than Linux, about as easy to install
as Linux, but prettier than Linux. The "Linux 95" picture looks really
good in Windows95. :-)
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I use Linux at home. For more information, look at http://www.linux.org
«There is no less than 1 thing broken with my Linux machine, Free Love»
Chaz Eves
Bill Gates is still an ass, "Windows" is still a joke, MicroSuck should still
dry up and blow away and Amiga still RULES!
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Stephen S Edwards II (la...@xroads.com) wrote:
: Hello. First of all, let me just say that I am really getting bored of
: seeing posts meant for .advocacy groups finding their way onto the
: 'serious' forums... especially since most of them are about nothing but:
: "Bill Gates is an ass!... Windows is crap, while Linux is peach pie!...
: Let's convert everone to Linux/Amiga/MAC!"
: EVERY OS has it's merits. I have faithfully used, Linux, Win3.1, WinNT,
: AmigaDOS, System7, and a few others I can't really recall. I found
: things in these OS's that I liked, and things that I disliked.
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