ASUS Eee Pad Transformer Tablet Has 16 Hour Battery
Lurker
Lloyd Parsons
"Lurker" <lur...@most.times> wrote:
> <http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/03/asus-eee-pad-transformer-tablet-has-16
> -hour-battery/>
Nice PR, I'll wait and see what testing shows if you don't mind.
--
Lloyd
Alan Baker
"Lurker" <lur...@most.times> wrote:
> <http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/03/asus-eee-pad-transformer-tablet-has-16
> -hour-battery/>
Ummm...
...not quite.
It has a (claimed!) 16 hour battery life... ...when it is docked.
<http://www.bgr.com/2011/03/25/asus-eee-pad-transformer-offers-honeycomb-
and-a-convertible-form-factor/>
While used as a tablet, it has a claimed (not tested) battery life of
9.5 hours.
--
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ed
> In article <ioqbdq$o2...@news.albasani.net>,
>
> "Lurker" <lurk...@most.times> wrote:
> > <http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/03/asus-eee-pad-transformer-table...
> > -hour-battery/>
>
> Nice PR, I'll wait and see what testing shows if you don't mind.
that's actually the life from 2 batteries- the tablet and the dock.
-hh
> In article <ioqbdq$o2...@news.albasani.net>,
>
> "Lurker" <lurk...@most.times> wrote:
> > <http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/03/asus-eee-pad-transformer-table...
>
> Nice PR, I'll wait and see what testing shows if you don't mind.
"...without the dock, the battery life drops to 9.5 hours..."
If one is willing to carry extra stuff, there's the HyperMac iPad
battery stand:
<http://www.hypershop.com/HyperMac-iPad-Battery-Stand-s/178.htm>
Its claim is that *adds* an additional 16 hours to an iPad's life.
Or if you want to go all out:
<http://www.hypershop.com/HyperMac-External-Battery-for-MacBook-iPad-
iPhone-USB-s/91.htm>
...up to an additional 99 hours. Of course, it does require lugging
an additional 4.7lb battery pack around. Seems that there's still no
good way to violate the laws of Chemistry. :-)
-hh
Lurker
"-hh" <recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
news:245d4fd5-26fe-47d3...@dr5g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 21, 7:35 pm, Lloyd Parsons <lloydpars...@mac.com> wrote:
> In article <ioqbdq$o2...@news.albasani.net>,
>
> "Lurker" <lurk...@most.times> wrote:
> > <http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/03/asus-eee-pad-transformer-table...
> > -hour-battery/>
>
> Nice PR, I'll wait and see what testing shows if you don't mind.
"...without the dock, the battery life drops to 9.5 hours..."
If one is willing to carry extra stuff, there's the HyperMac iPad
battery stand:
<http://www.hypershop.com/HyperMac-iPad-Battery-Stand-s/178.htm>
Its claim is that *adds* an additional 16 hours to an iPad's life.
****************
Does it also add a hinged keyboard and exta slots?
***************
Or if you want to go all out:
<http://www.hypershop.com/HyperMac-External-Battery-for-MacBook-iPad-
iPhone-USB-s/91.htm>
...up to an additional 99 hours. Of course, it does require lugging
an additional 4.7lb battery pack around. Seems that there's still no
good way to violate the laws of Chemistry. :-)
*****************************
Which laws of chemistry are preventing you from making an honest comparison?
-hh
Alan Baker
"Lurker" <lur...@most.times> wrote:
Edwin: you're the one who claimed a tablet had a 16 hour battery life...
...with out mentioning that it had to be in a dock to get it.
Lurker
"Alan Baker" <alang...@telus.net> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-3282F...@news.shawcable.net...
> In article <ioqbdq$o2l$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> "Lurker" <lur...@most.times> wrote:
>
>> <http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/03/asus-eee-pad-transformer-tablet-has-16
>> -hour-battery/>
>
> Ummm...
>
> ...not quite.
>
> It has a (claimed!) 16 hour battery life... ...when it is docked.
>
> <http://www.bgr.com/2011/03/25/asus-eee-pad-transformer-offers-honeycomb-
> and-a-convertible-form-factor/>
>
> While used as a tablet, it has a claimed (not tested) battery life of
> 9.5 hours.
Apple's claims of battery life not holding up in testing seems to have made
you wary.
How about the claims of lower price for more hardware? How much more to
get an iPad up to 1GB of RAM? Or to get better cameras into it?
Alan Baker
"Lurker" <lur...@most.times> wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <alang...@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-3282F...@news.shawcable.net...
> > In article <ioqbdq$o2l$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> > "Lurker" <lur...@most.times> wrote:
> >
> >> <http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/03/asus-eee-pad-transformer-tablet-has
> >> -16
> >> -hour-battery/>
> >
> > Ummm...
> >
> > ...not quite.
> >
> > It has a (claimed!) 16 hour battery life... ...when it is docked.
> >
> > <http://www.bgr.com/2011/03/25/asus-eee-pad-transformer-offers-honeycomb-
> > and-a-convertible-form-factor/>
> >
> > While used as a tablet, it has a claimed (not tested) battery life of
> > 9.5 hours.
>
> Apple's claims of battery life not holding up in testing seems to have made
> you wary.
It has held up in testing.
>
> How about the claims of lower price for more hardware? How much more to
> get an iPad up to 1GB of RAM? Or to get better cameras into it?
LOL
-hh
> "Lurker" <lurk...@most.times> wrote:
> >
> > Which laws of chemistry are preventing you from making an honest comparison?
>
>
> ...with out mentioning that it had to be in a dock to get it.
Perhaps its just due to having a short attention span, where he can't
get beyond the headline? ;-)
In any case, I'l clarify my remark: the "Laws of Chemistry" has to do
with the fundimental battery chemistry combinations: both the non-
recharables (Zinc-Carbon, Alcalines & Zinc-Air), and the rechargables
(NiCd, NiMH, NiZn, Lio-Ion/LiP) have all been known about for
literally decades.
For example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery#History
"Lithium-ion batteries were first proposed by M.S. Whittingham at
Binghamton University, at Exxon, in the 1970s.[14] Whittingham used
titanium(II) sulfide as the cathode and lithium metal as the anode."
In short, there's no "Low Hanging Fruit" of some new chemistry
combination to be found that will allow 10x more power, because the
entire periodic table has already been searched over multiple times.
The use of lithium as an anode is due to it being the most
electronegative metal in the electrochemical series.
Thus, over a decade ago, the best rechargable battery tech was Lithium-
based. Today, the best is ... still Lithium-based. BTW, do note
that the introduction of Li-Po in the 1990s is simply is a material
substitution for the battery's solvent, not its anode or cathode
materials that determine the electrochemical potential.
The simple facts are that for rechargables, our current battery tech
is about as good as it is ever going to get from a chemistry
perspective...all that's left is to tweak it to have it more closely
approach its theoretical potential. The good news is that over the
next decade, we will hopefully be able to double, but there's not
really another doubling available after that (you can't be better than
theoretical).
Already, most of the 'innovation' opportunities have been to lower
costs and improved specific energy & density ("packaging"). The basic
battery chemistry is still Lithium at its core.
For a big boy battery example, compare the SAFT VL30P battery versus
their newer VL34P model ... and now recognize that there was roughly a
half decade worth of research time that separates those batteries
while you try to estimate the annual rate of change in this field of
technology for what can actually be put into real world production on
the marketplace shelf, which is far beyond the university
laboratory.
-hh
Lurker
I don't see anybody by that name making any claims about tablets.
> ...with out mentioning that it had to be in a dock to get it.
The link I gave told everything that needed to be done to get 16 hours of
battery life.
Are you ever right about anything?
Lurker
Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> "Lurker" <lurk...@most.times> wrote:
> >
> > Which laws of chemistry are preventing you from making an honest
> > comparison?
>
> Edwin: you're the one who claimed a tablet had a 16 hour battery life...
>
> ...with out mentioning that it had to be in a dock to get it.
Perhaps its just due to having a short attention span, where he can't
get beyond the headline? ;-)
*******************************************
Is your short attention span what making you ignore the keyboard and extra
ports you get in addition to longer battery life, with the Transformer
Tablet dock?
Lurker
> In article <iosh8b$mbp$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> "Lurker" <lur...@most.times> wrote:
>
>> "Alan Baker" <alang...@telus.net> wrote in message
>> news:alangbaker-3282F...@news.shawcable.net...
>> > In article <ioqbdq$o2l$1...@news.albasani.net>,
>> > "Lurker" <lur...@most.times> wrote:
>> >
>> >> <http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/03/asus-eee-pad-transformer-tablet-has
>> >> -16
>> >> -hour-battery/>
>> >
>> > Ummm...
>> >
>> > ...not quite.
>> >
>> > It has a (claimed!) 16 hour battery life... ...when it is docked.
>> >
>> > <http://www.bgr.com/2011/03/25/asus-eee-pad-transformer-offers-honeycomb-
>> > and-a-convertible-form-factor/>
>> >
>> > While used as a tablet, it has a claimed (not tested) battery life of
>> > 9.5 hours.
>>
>> Apple's claims of battery life not holding up in testing seems to have
>> made
>> you wary.
>
> It has held up in testing.
Alan "where's the proof" Baker forgot to provide any proof.
>>
>> How about the claims of lower price for more hardware? How much more
>> to
>> get an iPad up to 1GB of RAM? Or to get better cameras into it?
>
> LOL
Can't think of any way?
Alan Baker
"Lurker" <lur...@most.times> wrote:
You were the one who focussed on the battery life and tried to make it
sound like you could use it as a tablet and expect it to run for 16
hours...
Alan Baker
Alan Baker
"Lurker" <lur...@most.times> wrote:
Edwin: it's been mentioned multiple times here that the iPad's actual
battery life has met or exceeded Apple's claims.
>
> >>
> >> How about the claims of lower price for more hardware? How much more
> >> to
> >> get an iPad up to 1GB of RAM? Or to get better cameras into it?
> >
> > LOL
>
> Can't think of any way?
--
-hh
> In article <iosl3f$un...@news.albasani.net>,
>
>
>
>
>
> "Lurker" <lurk...@most.times> wrote:
> > "-hh" <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> >news:cfbf2996-08f0-4d41...@q12g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> > Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > "Lurker" <lurk...@most.times> wrote:
>
> > > > Which laws of chemistry are preventing you from making an honest
> > > > comparison?
>
> > > Edwin: you're the one who claimed a tablet had a 16 hourbatterylife...
>
> > > ...with out mentioning that it had to be in a dock to get it.
>
> > Perhaps its just due to having a short attention span, where he can't
> > get beyond the headline? ;-)
>
> > *******************************************
>
> > Is your short attention span what making you ignore the keyboard and extra
> > Tablet dock?
>
> You were the one who focussed on thebatterylife and tried to make it
> sound like you could use it as a tablet and expect it to run for 16
> hours...
Precisely, which is why the luzer cut all of the battery tech info I
offered, just to try to save face with a curt snarky remark.
The bottom line is that "Lurker" would have been better off simply
sulking away quietly, such as he did two days ago on the CSMA "Got a
Xoom today!" thread, where he trolled with a line of "The Apple fans
don't want to touch this thread with a ten foot pole!" ... well, he
got a response, and ironically, it also specifically referred to
rechargeable battery technology.
FWIW, here's the manufacturer's webpage that I was referring to.
Obviously, these aren't designed for mere tablets or laptops, but
higher power applications:
<http://www.saftbatteries.com/Produit_Large_VLP_cell_range_301_63/
Language/en-US/Default.aspx>
Keeping in mind the 50% discharge rule of thumb, one can get a
rechargeable battery pack that stores ~80kW-hr at only 350lbs.
-hh
Lurker
On Apr 22, 3:57 pm, Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> In article <iosl3f$un...@news.albasani.net>,
>
>
>
>
>
> "Lurker" <lurk...@most.times> wrote:
> > "-hh" <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> >news:cfbf2996-08f0-4d41...@q12g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> > Alan Baker <alangba...@telus.net> wrote:
> > > "Lurker" <lurk...@most.times> wrote:
>
> > > > Which laws of chemistry are preventing you from making an honest
> > > > comparison?
>
> > > Edwin: you're the one who claimed a tablet had a 16 hourbatterylife...
>
> > > ...with out mentioning that it had to be in a dock to get it.
>
> > Perhaps its just due to having a short attention span, where he can't
> > get beyond the headline? ;-)
>
> > *******************************************
>
> > Is your short attention span what making you ignore the keyboard and
> > extra
> > ports you get in addition to longerbatterylife, with the Transformer
> > Tablet dock?
>
> You were the one who focussed on thebatterylife and tried to make it
> sound like you could use it as a tablet and expect it to run for 16
> hours...
-hh: Precisely,
Precisely? My OP contained nothing but a link. How did I "precisely" live
up to the lie Alan and you are telling?
-hh: which is why the luzer cut all of the battery tech info I
offered, just to try to save face with a curt snarky remark.
All of the battery info you offered was a lie attempting to make it appear
the iPad has parity with the Transformer, hence it was snipped.
Lurker
Calling other people "Edwin" is always a sure sign you can't back up your
claims.
Alan Baker
"Lurker" <lur...@most.times> wrote:
What was your subject line?
>
> -hh: which is why the luzer cut all of the battery tech info I
> offered, just to try to save face with a curt snarky remark.
>
> All of the battery info you offered was a lie attempting to make it appear
> the iPad has parity with the Transformer, hence it was snipped.
Put it back in and explain specifically how any of it was a lie, Edwin...
Alan Baker
"Lurker" <lur...@most.times> wrote:
No. It's a sure sign that you've been outed yet again.
Lurker
The title of the article the link was for. Do you bother to read or think
before you reply? It doesn't appear you do.
>>
>> -hh: which is why the luzer cut all of the battery tech info I
>> offered, just to try to save face with a curt snarky remark.
>>
>> All of the battery info you offered was a lie attempting to make it
>> appear
>> the iPad has parity with the Transformer, hence it was snipped.
>
> Put it back in and explain specifically how any of it was a lie, Edwin...
You know what the lie is. You have no interest in the truth, from what
I've seen of your posts.
Lurker
No back up of your claims yet.
Alan Baker
"Lurker" <lur...@most.times> wrote:
Did you type it?
>
> >>
> >> -hh: which is why the luzer cut all of the battery tech info I
> >> offered, just to try to save face with a curt snarky remark.
> >>
> >> All of the battery info you offered was a lie attempting to make it
> >> appear
> >> the iPad has parity with the Transformer, hence it was snipped.
> >
> > Put it back in and explain specifically how any of it was a lie, Edwin...
>
> You know what the lie is. You have no interest in the truth, from what
> I've seen of your posts.
LOL
Nope. I don't believe I saw any lies from HH.
You OTOH lied by omission when you claimed a tablet had a battery life
of 16 hours...
...but failed to note that that life was only available while plugged
into an external dock.