[News] Italian Carrier Offers GNU/Linux Laptops
Roy Schestowitz
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Italian carrier ships Linux MID
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| BenQ and Italian mobile carrier TIM announced the availability of a MID with
| both WiFi and HSDPA mobile networking. Running Red Flag's Midinux Linux
| distro, the BenQ S6 Mobile Internet Device (MID) is equipped with an 800MHz
| Intel Atom processor and 4.8-inch WVGA touchscreen.
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http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6059837915.html?kc=rss
Recent:
$98 Linux Laptop - The HiVision miniNote
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| HiVision CO., LTD makes one of the worlds cheapest Linux laptops at $98 using
| a new cheaper chipset, WiFi, 1GB flash storage, it runs Linux, 3 USB ports,
| Ethernet, SDHC card reader, audio in and out. Voice-chat, Skype, multi-tabbed
| Firefox browser support, Abiword for word processing.
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http://techvideoblog.com/ifa/98-linux-laptop-the-hivision-mininote/
Related:
Microsoft to limit capabilities of cheap laptops
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| Microsoft plans to offer PC makers steep discounts on Windows XP Home Edition
| to encourage them to use that OS instead of Linux on ultra low-cost PCs
| (ULPCs). To be eligible, however, the PC vendors that make ULPCs must limit
| screen sizes to 10.2 inches and hard drives to 80G bytes, and they cannot
| offer touch-screen PCs.
|
| The program is outlined in confidential documents that Microsoft sent to PC
| makers last month, and which were obtained by IDG News Service. The goal
| apparently is to limit the hardware capabilities of ULPCs so that they don't
| eat into the market for mainstream PCs running Windows Vista, something both
| Microsoft and the PC vendors would want to avoid.
|
| [...]
|
| Microsoft notes that the OSes under consideration for the devices include
| Windows and Linux. Some PC makers have expressed a preference for Linux
| because it helps them keep down the cost of the devices.
|
| [...]
|
| By offering Windows XP Home Edition at bargain prices, Microsoft hopes to
| secure its place in the ULPC market and reduce the use of Linux, according to
| an official at one PC maker, who asked not to be identified because he was
| not authorized to discuss the program.
|
| "[Low-cost PC makers] have made some good inroads with open-source, and
| Microsoft wants to put a stop to it," the official said.
|
| The official did not seem opposed to the program. It should stimulate more
| competition between Windows and Linux in the ULPC market, and it could
| invigorate sales because consumers who want an easy-to-use PC are likely to
| prefer Windows, the official said.
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http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=D04AB1F8-17A4-0F78-310F5F4479DEEE86
Microsoft U-turn to stop Linux dominating ultra low cost PCs
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| By offering Windows XP Home Edition at bargain prices, Microsoft hopes to
| secure its place in the ULPC market and reduce the use of Linux, according to
| an official at one PC maker, who asked not to be identified because he was
| not authorised to discuss the programme.
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http://www.computerworlduk.com/technology/hardware/laptops/news/index.cfm?newsid=9006
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High Plains Thumper
> $98 Linux Laptop - The HiVision miniNote
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
>> HiVision CO., LTD makes one of the worlds cheapest Linux laptops at
>> $98 using a new cheaper chipset, WiFi, 1GB flash storage, it runs
>> Linux, 3 USB ports, Ethernet, SDHC card reader, audio in and out.
>> Voice-chat, Skype, multi-tabbed Firefox browser support, Abiword
>> for word processing.
> `----
>
> http://techvideoblog.com/ifa/98-linux-laptop-the-hivision-mininote/
This is truly good news and will help to popularise Linux even further
than the ASUS EeePC and other efforts. At that price, I would not mind
having something like that to use in motel rooms during my travels.
<SNIP>
> Microsoft U-turn to stop Linux dominating ultra low cost PCs
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
>> By offering Windows XP Home Edition at bargain prices, Microsoft
>> hopes to secure its place in the ULPC market and reduce the use of
>> Linux, according to an official at one PC maker, who asked not to
>> be identified because he was not authorised to discuss the
>> programme.
> `----
>
> http://www.computerworlduk.com/technology/hardware/laptops/news/index.cfm?newsid=9006
This may be a tough do, as XP is a chunkier operating system lacking the
sparkling performance of Linux with a lightweight GUI. Then too, one
still needs a form of background anti-virus and personal firewall, which
adds burden to the CPU.
--
HPT
Quando omni flunkus moritati
(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green
Hadron
> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>> $98 Linux Laptop - The HiVision miniNote
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>> HiVision CO., LTD makes one of the worlds cheapest Linux laptops at
>>> $98 using a new cheaper chipset, WiFi, 1GB flash storage, it runs
>>> Linux, 3 USB ports, Ethernet, SDHC card reader, audio in and out.
>>> Voice-chat, Skype, multi-tabbed Firefox browser support, Abiword
>>> for word processing.
>> `----
>>
>> http://techvideoblog.com/ifa/98-linux-laptop-the-hivision-mininote/
>
> This is truly good news and will help to popularise Linux even further
> than the ASUS EeePC and other efforts. At that price, I would not
> mind having something like that to use in motel rooms during my
> travels.
>
> <SNIP>
As opposed to a 300 dollar one which you can install real SW on?
BTW, Skype?!?!?! Closed source. No Webcam support.
>
>> Microsoft U-turn to stop Linux dominating ultra low cost PCs
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>> By offering Windows XP Home Edition at bargain prices, Microsoft
>>> hopes to secure its place in the ULPC market and reduce the use of
>>> Linux, according to an official at one PC maker, who asked not to
>>> be identified because he was not authorised to discuss the
>>> programme.
>> `----
>>
>> http://www.computerworlduk.com/technology/hardware/laptops/news/index.cfm?newsid=9006
>
> This may be a tough do, as XP is a chunkier operating system lacking
> the sparkling performance of Linux with a lightweight GUI. Then too,
> one still needs a form of background anti-virus and personal firewall,
> which adds burden to the CPU.
If only it were true. Recent threads started by Richard Rasker showed
that XP netbooks are outselling Linux ones by a huge factor.
--
"True. Due to a lack of competition, there essentially have been no
improvements to Microsoft's operating system and office software. It
just works."
-- High Plains Thumper <highplai...@invalid.invalid> in comp.os.linux.advocacy
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper writes:
>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> $98 Linux Laptop - The HiVision miniNote
>>>
>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>> HiVision CO., LTD makes one of the worlds cheapest Linux
>>>> laptops at $98 using a new cheaper chipset, WiFi, 1GB flash
>>>> storage, it runs Linux, 3 USB ports, Ethernet, SDHC card
>>>> reader, audio in and out. Voice-chat, Skype, multi-tabbed
>>>> Firefox browser support, Abiword for word processing.
>>> `----
>>>
>>> http://techvideoblog.com/ifa/98-linux-laptop-the-hivision-mininote/
>>
>> This is truly good news and will help to popularise Linux even
>> further than the ASUS EeePC and other efforts. At that price, I
>> would not mind having something like that to use in motel rooms
>> during my travels.
>>
>> <SNIP>
>
> As opposed to a 300 dollar one which you can install real SW on?
>
> BTW, Skype?!?!?! Closed source. No Webcam support.
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
[quote] 7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics [...]
32. Promote Windows at every opportunity. Microsoft Windows needs a
lot of help to be successful in the mind share of its targeted user
base. Point out to everybody on COLA how wonderful it is. Ignore the
meaning of the name of the newsgroup and its charter. [/quote]
>>> Microsoft U-turn to stop Linux dominating ultra low cost PCs
>>>
>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>> By offering Windows XP Home Edition at bargain prices,
>>>> Microsoft hopes to secure its place in the ULPC market and
>>>> reduce the use of Linux, according to an official at one PC
>>>> maker, who asked not to be identified because he was not
>>>> authorised to discuss the programme.
>>> `----
>>>
>>> http://www.computerworlduk.com/technology/hardware/laptops/news/index.cfm?newsid=9006
>>>
>>>
>> This may be a tough do, as XP is a chunkier operating system
>> lacking the sparkling performance of Linux with a lightweight GUI.
>> Then too, one still needs a form of background anti-virus and
>> personal firewall, which adds burden to the CPU.
>
> If only it were true. Recent threads started by Richard Rasker showed
> that XP netbooks are outselling Linux ones by a huge factor.
Newsgroups: alt.os.windows-xp, comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: Rex Ballard <rex.ball...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:40:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Linux Return Rate 4X More Than Windows
[quote] "chrisv" [..] wrote:
> Max Wachtel wrote:
>> We have done a lot of studies on the return rates and haven't
>> really talked about it much until now. Our internal research has
>> shown that the return of netbooks is higher than regular notebooks,
>> but the main cause of that is Linux. People would love to pay $299
>> or $399 but they don't know what they get until they open the box.
>> They start playing around with Linux and start realizing that it's
>> not what they are used to. They don't want to spend time to learn
>> it so they bring it back to the store. The return rate is at least
>> four times higher for Linux netbooks than Windows XP netbooks."
>> -Andy Tung MSI's U.S.Sales Director
> I believe "4X" sounds a bit low. I would think more than half are
> being returned.
Interesting, MSI isn't one of the major Netbook vendors, and doesn't
put their products on the retail sales floor. Acer and Asus do put
their Linux netbooks on display at many strategic locations including
major retailers, airport stores, and "duty free" stores. They are
also on display at several large retailers like Circuit City, so that
customers get a very clear understanding of exactly what they do and
don't get. In many cases, the sales people even "undersell" the Linux
systems, warning the customer that although it does come with Open
Office, it's not exactly the same as Microsoft Office. But they have
to be equally clear about the stripped down version of office included
with the XP version, even though the customer has to pay as much as
50% more for the hardware/software configuration required for the XP
solution.
ASUS and ACER are both reporting that sales rates on their Linux
versions are 60% Linux and 40% Windows, and the trend seems to be
moving more and more toward Linux. Part of the reason for this is
that the netbooks are typically purchased as "second computers" that
can be taken on the road and used in situations that aren't as
practical for traditional laptops. If you have a laptop with a 17
inch screen you probably won't be able to type on it if you are in a
coach seat on an airplane. But if you have the tiny little Linux
netbook, that can run using only flash storage, you can run the little
baby PC for about 3 hours on the main battery, or use an external
"booster" battery that can keep you running through transcontinental
or transatlantic flights. [/quote]
Hadron
> Hadron wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper writes:
>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>> $98 Linux Laptop - The HiVision miniNote
>>>>
>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>> HiVision CO., LTD makes one of the worlds cheapest Linux laptops
>>>>> at $98 using a new cheaper chipset, WiFi, 1GB flash storage, it
>>>>> runs Linux, 3 USB ports, Ethernet, SDHC card reader, audio in and
>>>>> out. Voice-chat, Skype, multi-tabbed Firefox browser support,
>>>>> Abiword for word processing.
>>>> `----
>>>>
>>>> http://techvideoblog.com/ifa/98-linux-laptop-the-hivision-mininote/
>>>
>>> This is truly good news and will help to popularise Linux even
>>> further than the ASUS EeePC and other efforts. At that price, I
>>> would not mind having something like that to use in motel rooms
>>> during my travels.
>>>
>>> <SNIP>
>>
>> As opposed to a 300 dollar one which you can install real SW on?
>>
>> BTW, Skype?!?!?! Closed source. No Webcam support.
>
> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>
> [quote] 7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics [...]
>
> 32. Promote Windows at every opportunity. Microsoft Windows needs
Where did I mention Windows?
I merely mentioned Skype as being unsuitable under Linux.
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper writes:
>> Hadron wrote:
>>> High Plains Thumper writes:
>>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://techvideoblog.com/ifa/98-linux-laptop-the-hivision-mininote/
>>>>
>>>> This is truly good news and will help to popularise Linux even
>>>> further than the ASUS EeePC and other efforts. At that price,
>>>> I would not mind having something like that to use in motel
>>>> rooms during my travels. <SNIP>
>>>
>>> As opposed to a 300 dollar one which you can install real SW on?
>>
>> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>>
>> [quote] 7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics [...]
>>
>> 32. Promote Windows at every opportunity. Microsoft Windows needs
>> its targeted user base. Point out to everybody on COLA how
>> wonderful it is. Ignore the meaning of the name of the newsgroup
>> and its charter. [/quote]
>
The implication is readily apparent.
Hadron
> Hadron wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper writes:
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>> High Plains Thumper writes:
>>>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> $98 Linux Laptop - The HiVision miniNote [....]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://techvideoblog.com/ifa/98-linux-laptop-the-hivision-mininote/
>>>>>
>>>>> This is truly good news and will help to popularise Linux even
>>>>> further than the ASUS EeePC and other efforts. At that price,
>>>>> I would not mind having something like that to use in motel rooms
>>>>> during my travels. <SNIP>
>>>>
>>>> As opposed to a 300 dollar one which you can install real SW on?
>>>> [....]
>>>
>>> http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
>>>
>>> [quote] 7.6 Trespasser Disinformation Tactics [...]
>>>
>>> 32. Promote Windows at every opportunity. Microsoft Windows needs
>>> Windows needs a lot of help to be successful in the mind share of
>>> its targeted user base. Point out to everybody on COLA how
>>> wonderful it is. Ignore the meaning of the name of the newsgroup
>>> and its charter. [/quote]
>>
>> Where did I mention Windows?
>
> The implication is readily apparent.
I was referring to the larger capacity netbooks. Only you mentioned
Windows.
--
"For example, user interfaces are _usually_ better in commercial software.
I'm not saying that this is always true, but in many cases the user
interface to a program is the most important part for a commercial
company..." Linus Torvalds <http://www.tlug.jp/docs/linus.html>
Peter Köhlmann
Certainly. After all, you wrote: "If only it were true. Recent threads
started by Richard Rasker showed that XP netbooks are outselling Linux ones
by a huge factor"
You not only talk about windows, you talk about "XP netbooks". No mention
of "larger capacity" and other such nonsense.
How come that you so extremely often have to "clarify" later what
it "really" was what you wrote?
Just to not look like the blatant liar you are, that is
--
Avoid reality at all costs.
Hadron
So I mentioned HIM mentioning XP.
>
> You not only talk about windows, you talk about "XP netbooks". No mention
> of "larger capacity" and other such nonsense.
No. I talked about Rasker mentioning them. Get it right.
> How come that you so extremely often have to "clarify" later what
> it "really" was what you wrote?
> Just to not look like the blatant liar you are, that is
Quite simple. A lot of COLA advocates are unable to tell the truth. You
being one of course.
--
"My college theater antics were the inspiration for Robin
Williams' character on Mork & Mindy"
-- Rex Ballard in comp.os.linux.advocacy
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Hadron wrote:
>>
>> I was referring to the larger capacity netbooks. Only you mentioned
>> Windows.
>>
>
> Certainly. After all, you wrote: "If only it were true. Recent threads
> started by Richard Rasker showed that XP netbooks are outselling Linux ones
> by a huge factor"
>
> You not only talk about windows, you talk about "XP netbooks". No mention
> of "larger capacity" and other such nonsense.
> How come that you so extremely often have to "clarify" later what
> it "really" was what you wrote?
> Just to not look like the blatant liar you are, that is
Hadrone Queeg, Confabulatist. Conflator. And (could it really be true?)
Liar.
Who'd a thunk it? <grin>
He gets confused on even the stuff /he/ posts.
--
When your life is a leaf that the seasons tear off and condemn
They will bind you with love that is graceful and green as a stem.
-- Leonard Cohen, "Sisters of Mercy"
Roy Schestowitz
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____/ High Plains Thumper on Wednesday 08 October 2008 02:05 : \____
Moments ago someone posted this comment in my site:
"I reside in Chiangmai Thailand presently. The computer stores have stocked
four models of notebook from Benq. All run Linux and Benq have no offerings
running Windows."
- --
~~ Best of wishes
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High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper on Wednesday :
With greater emphasis on law compliance with copyrights with serious LEO
crackdowns on violators, the sound cost effective thing to do is to
install a legal OS like Linux. Both vendor and buyer benefit. That is
something the Wintrolls cannot grasp.