Why is there so much politics?

[candycanearter07]

This is supposed to be LINUX, right? Why are there so many cross posts
to political newsgroups?
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user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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candycanearter07 wrote:
> This is supposed to be LINUX, right? Why are there so many cross posts
> to political newsgroups?

because most of the population here is american and that's what they do

[candycanearter07]

Right, but I don't see politics in any of the other channels :(

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candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 9/19/23 15:35, % wrote:
>> candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> This is supposed to be LINUX, right? Why are there so many cross
>>> posts to political newsgroups?
>>
>> because most of the population here is american and that's what they do
>
> Right, but I don't see politics in any of the other channels :(

are you kidding , i can't go anywhere ,
without seeing the name trump somewhere

[Joel]

candycanearter07 <n...@thanks.net> wrote:

>This is supposed to be LINUX, right? Why are there so many cross posts
>to political newsgroups?

Feel free not to read those threads.

--
Joel Crump

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-09-19 4:02 p.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
> This is supposed to be LINUX, right? Why are there so many cross posts
> to political newsgroups?

Mostly because people like Relf are unsatisfied by the lack of posts on
Usenet in general and insist on including other groups even when the
topics are as irrelevant to what is being discussed there as much as
they are here. I like Relf but I hate having to create a filter against
crossposts, especially since my newsreader conveniently ignores the
filter for a few days before it finally, for no reason, starts working
as intended.

--
RabidPedagog
TG: @RabidPedagog
Galatians 6:7

[Relf]

I don't initiate crosspost storms;
in fact, I often delete the crossposting.

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-09-19 5:15 p.m., Relf wrote:
> I don't initiate crosspost storms;
> in fact, I often delete the crossposting.

I do the same in most cases (I might have forgotten today though). My
apologies for blaming you.

[Cartman]

Which then defeats any filters and continues the thread in
a group that probably doesn't want it.

[RabidPedagog]

Just have your newsreader delete any message which includes these
newsgroups:

- alt.checkmate
- alt.transgendered
- talk.politics.guns
- alt.computer.workshop
- uk.d-i-y

And these senders:

- recscub...@huntzinger.com
- brock.m...@gmail.com.
- ro...@127.0.0.1
- purse...@gmail.com
- prime psychedelic

And this place will be a lot cleaner. You can always remove the
huntzinger.com one from the list if you're a masochist for pointless
debates on things that have nothing whatsoever to do with Linux.

[DFS]

On 9/19/2023 4:02 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:

> This is supposed to be LINUX, right? Why are there so many cross posts
> to political newsgroups?

Because there are so FEW Linux users here (and in the real world).


Bloaty
Bowman
you?
RonB


That's it.

This place used to be jumping: dozens of good OS threads day after day.

It died a few years ago.

One biggie was when owl left and took most of the gays with him.

[candycanearter07]

aalright

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aren't you glad you asked now

[Kelsey Bjarnason]

On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 19:41:28 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 9/19/2023 4:02 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> This is supposed to be LINUX, right? Why are there so many cross posts
>> to political newsgroups?
>
>
> Because there are so FEW Linux users here (and in the real world).
>
>
> Bloaty Bowman you?
> RonB
>
>
> That's it.

Not quite: I use Linux almost exclusively.

[-hh]

Funny how you don’t contribute to my Linux-related posts. Must be because
you’re still such a butthurt sore loser from losing on the non-Linux ones. /s

-hh

[RabidPedagog]

Linux is better than it used to be, but as long as it has trouble with
waking from sleep, it's going to be used very sparingly by people who
primarily buy laptops. Meanwhile, Apple machines work perfectly for
everything they were designed to do and Windows hardware sort of does...
sort of.

--
RabidPedagog
Galatians 6:7

[DFS]

On 9/20/2023 2:51 AM, Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 19:41:28 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 9/19/2023 4:02 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>> This is supposed to be LINUX, right? Why are there so many cross posts
>>> to political newsgroups?
>>
>>
>> Because there are so FEW Linux users here (and in the real world).
>>
>>
>> Bloaty Bowman you?
>> RonB
>>
>>
>> That's it.
>
> Not quite: I use Linux almost exclusively.

I don't think you've posted at all since Apr 2021.

[RabidPedagog]

He was trying to fix his Linux desktop since then. :)

[RonB]

On 2023-09-19, Relf <Use...@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote:
> I don't initiate crosspost storms;
> in fact, I often delete the crossposting.

My slrn filters are set to reject all crossposted messages. So I guess I'm
not seeing a lot of what is going on in this newsgroup.

--
Freedom. Use it or lose it.

[RonB]

Still no issues waking from sleep on my laptops in Linux. I guess Dell is
the way to go.

I just installed the new LMDE 6 beta release (Linux Mint Debian Edition). I
can't tell any practical difference between it and the "regular" Linux Mint
installs. I know it uses Debian repositories instead of Ubuntu ones and that
the kernel is newer (6.1.x) but it looks and works exactly the same for what
I do. And it has all the same utilities that are unique to Linux Mint. Which
kind of proves that Linux Mint isn't just a fork of Ubuntu.

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-09-20 8:37 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2023-09-20, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 2023-09-19 7:41 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>> On 9/19/2023 4:02 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is supposed to be LINUX, right? Why are there so many cross posts
>>>> to political newsgroups?
>>>
>>>
>>> Because there are so FEW Linux users here (and in the real world).
>>>
>>>
>>> Bloaty
>>> Bowman
>>> you?
>>> RonB
>>>
>>>
>>> That's it.
>>>
>>> This place used to be jumping: dozens of good OS threads day after day.
>>>
>>> It died a few years ago.
>>>
>>> One biggie was when owl left and took most of the gays with him.
>>
>> Linux is better than it used to be, but as long as it has trouble with
>> waking from sleep, it's going to be used very sparingly by people who
>> primarily buy laptops. Meanwhile, Apple machines work perfectly for
>> everything they were designed to do and Windows hardware sort of does...
>> sort of.
>
> Still no issues waking from sleep on my laptops in Linux. I guess Dell is
> the way to go.

At the same time, if you're mostly using a desktop, there is a good
chance that you're not using the suspend functionality or that your
screen simply turns off when the computer is not in use. For that, Linux
is always reliable.

> I just installed the new LMDE 6 beta release (Linux Mint Debian Edition). I
> can't tell any practical difference between it and the "regular" Linux Mint
> installs. I know it uses Debian repositories instead of Ubuntu ones and that
> the kernel is newer (6.1.x) but it looks and works exactly the same for what
> I do. And it has all the same utilities that are unique to Linux Mint. Which
> kind of proves that Linux Mint isn't just a fork of Ubuntu.

I would have to guess that the only real difference is that you don't
have access to some of the specialty apps which seem to be exclusive to
Ubuntu. However, with Flatpak especially, this is not much of a problem
anymore. I imagine that Debian and its derivatives support Flatpak with
ease, so if an application appears to be "exclusive" to Ubuntu, a simple
visit to flathub.org should fix the problem.

[Kelsey Bjarnason]

On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 00:37:49 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> On 2023-09-20, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 2023-09-19 7:41 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>> On 9/19/2023 4:02 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is supposed to be LINUX, right? Why are there so many cross
>>>> posts to political newsgroups?
>>>
>>>
>>> Because there are so FEW Linux users here (and in the real world).
>>>
>>>
>>> Bloaty Bowman you?
>>> RonB
>>>
>>>
>>> That's it.
>>>
>>> This place used to be jumping: dozens of good OS threads day after
>>> day.
>>>
>>> It died a few years ago.
>>>
>>> One biggie was when owl left and took most of the gays with him.
>>
>> Linux is better than it used to be, but as long as it has trouble with
>> waking from sleep, it's going to be used very sparingly by people who
>> primarily buy laptops. Meanwhile, Apple machines work perfectly for
>> everything they were designed to do and Windows hardware sort of
>> does...
>> sort of.
>
> Still no issues waking from sleep on my laptops in Linux. I guess Dell
> is the way to go.

I was experiencing it, but the last dozen or so sleeps have worked fine;
I assume Ubuntu or someone upstream nailed the bug.

[RonB]

No, I specifically set it to suspend (sleep) mode when I close the lid. In
Dells, when the laptop suspends, you get a slow blink. Open the lid and it
opens the login screen (from a black screen). I can also hit the "Sleep"
button with the lid open and it will do the same. In that case you tap the
power button to return to the login screen (again from a black screen). It
works exactly how it's supposed to.

>> I just installed the new LMDE 6 beta release (Linux Mint Debian Edition). I
>> can't tell any practical difference between it and the "regular" Linux Mint
>> installs. I know it uses Debian repositories instead of Ubuntu ones and that
>> the kernel is newer (6.1.x) but it looks and works exactly the same for what
>> I do. And it has all the same utilities that are unique to Linux Mint. Which
>> kind of proves that Linux Mint isn't just a fork of Ubuntu.
>
> I would have to guess that the only real difference is that you don't
> have access to some of the specialty apps which seem to be exclusive to
> Ubuntu. However, with Flatpak especially, this is not much of a problem
> anymore. I imagine that Debian and its derivatives support Flatpak with
> ease, so if an application appears to be "exclusive" to Ubuntu, a simple
> visit to flathub.org should fix the problem.

Linux Mint even has a graphical Software Manager where you can click FlatPak
and it will show (I believe) the whole Flathub library. I hardly ever use
Flatpaks or the Software Manager, but it's there if you want it. Linux Mint
also automatically updates Flatpaks with the normal update process. But,
unlike Ubuntu and its Snaps, it (apparently) actually works. If I have any
FlatPaks installed I don't even know it (and wouldn't have to know it).

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

[RonB]

On 2023-09-21, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 00:37:49 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> On 2023-09-20, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>>> On 2023-09-19 7:41 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>>> On 9/19/2023 4:02 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is supposed to be LINUX, right? Why are there so many cross
>>>>> posts to political newsgroups?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Because there are so FEW Linux users here (and in the real world).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bloaty Bowman you?
>>>> RonB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's it.
>>>>
>>>> This place used to be jumping: dozens of good OS threads day after
>>>> day.
>>>>
>>>> It died a few years ago.
>>>>
>>>> One biggie was when owl left and took most of the gays with him.
>>>
>>> Linux is better than it used to be, but as long as it has trouble with
>>> waking from sleep, it's going to be used very sparingly by people who
>>> primarily buy laptops. Meanwhile, Apple machines work perfectly for
>>> everything they were designed to do and Windows hardware sort of
>>> does...
>>> sort of.
>>
>> Still no issues waking from sleep on my laptops in Linux. I guess Dell
>> is the way to go.

My laptops are "trailing edge," so issues with them were probably fixed
several years ago.

Apparently Linux Mint Edge 21.3 is about to be released. They release it
spcifically with newer kernels to (hopefully) fix issues with newer
hardware. That might be what "RabidPedagog" needs to look into if he ever
wants to get Linux Mint running well on newer laptops.

> I was experiencing it, but the last dozen or so sleeps have worked fine;
> I assume Ubuntu or someone upstream nailed the bug.
>
>>
>> I just installed the new LMDE 6 beta release (Linux Mint Debian
>> Edition). I can't tell any practical difference between it and the
>> "regular" Linux Mint installs. I know it uses Debian repositories
>> instead of Ubuntu ones and that the kernel is newer (6.1.x) but it looks
>> and works exactly the same for what I do. And it has all the same
>> utilities that are unique to Linux Mint. Which kind of proves that Linux
>> Mint isn't just a fork of Ubuntu.
>

[RabidPedagog]

It will come back, it always does.

[RabidPedagog]

It Dell got it to work as intended, I applaud them for it. MSI's never
worked right unless I used openSUSE and the Zephyrus G14 from ASUS
didn't work reliably, even after I followed the configuration guide on
asus-linux.org.

>>> I just installed the new LMDE 6 beta release (Linux Mint Debian Edition). I
>>> can't tell any practical difference between it and the "regular" Linux Mint
>>> installs. I know it uses Debian repositories instead of Ubuntu ones and that
>>> the kernel is newer (6.1.x) but it looks and works exactly the same for what
>>> I do. And it has all the same utilities that are unique to Linux Mint. Which
>>> kind of proves that Linux Mint isn't just a fork of Ubuntu.
>>
>> I would have to guess that the only real difference is that you don't
>> have access to some of the specialty apps which seem to be exclusive to
>> Ubuntu. However, with Flatpak especially, this is not much of a problem
>> anymore. I imagine that Debian and its derivatives support Flatpak with
>> ease, so if an application appears to be "exclusive" to Ubuntu, a simple
>> visit to flathub.org should fix the problem.
>
> Linux Mint even has a graphical Software Manager where you can click FlatPak
> and it will show (I believe) the whole Flathub library. I hardly ever use
> Flatpaks or the Software Manager, but it's there if you want it. Linux Mint
> also automatically updates Flatpaks with the normal update process. But,
> unlike Ubuntu and its Snaps, it (apparently) actually works. If I have any
> FlatPaks installed I don't even know it (and wouldn't have to know it).

I recall installing a few Snaps with Ubuntu a couple of years ago. They
worked, but they took forever to load. It actually discouraged anyone
from using them over the software found either in the default or
additional repositories. FlatPaks and AppImages are nowhere near as slow.

[Kelsey Bjarnason]

Possibly; I've yet to use an OS without any instances of regression
errors.

[Kelsey Bjarnason]

Not sure what, if anything, he needs. I use a laptop almost exclusively,
and Linux on it almost exclusively, and have relatively few problems -
certainly no more than I do with Windows, which also has next to no issues
on the system.

[RonB]

I haven't had any trouble with the Dell laptops (I've installed on several)
for years now. But, again, I use "trailing edge" hardware.

>>>> I just installed the new LMDE 6 beta release (Linux Mint Debian Edition). I
>>>> can't tell any practical difference between it and the "regular" Linux Mint
>>>> installs. I know it uses Debian repositories instead of Ubuntu ones and that
>>>> the kernel is newer (6.1.x) but it looks and works exactly the same for what
>>>> I do. And it has all the same utilities that are unique to Linux Mint. Which
>>>> kind of proves that Linux Mint isn't just a fork of Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> I would have to guess that the only real difference is that you don't
>>> have access to some of the specialty apps which seem to be exclusive to
>>> Ubuntu. However, with Flatpak especially, this is not much of a problem
>>> anymore. I imagine that Debian and its derivatives support Flatpak with
>>> ease, so if an application appears to be "exclusive" to Ubuntu, a simple
>>> visit to flathub.org should fix the problem.
>>
>> Linux Mint even has a graphical Software Manager where you can click FlatPak
>> and it will show (I believe) the whole Flathub library. I hardly ever use
>> Flatpaks or the Software Manager, but it's there if you want it. Linux Mint
>> also automatically updates Flatpaks with the normal update process. But,
>> unlike Ubuntu and its Snaps, it (apparently) actually works. If I have any
>> FlatPaks installed I don't even know it (and wouldn't have to know it).
>
> I recall installing a few Snaps with Ubuntu a couple of years ago. They
> worked, but they took forever to load. It actually discouraged anyone
> from using them over the software found either in the default or
> additional repositories. FlatPaks and AppImages are nowhere near as slow.

Snaps, AppImages and FlatPaks don't always carry over your desktop theme. At
least that's been my limited experience. I don't use these packages much. I
prefer the repository or downloading the application from its website. Most
Linux developers provide a .deb package still.

[RabidPedagog]

They're sandboxed so the system's theme is not supposed to carry over.
However, I think that Flatpaks still manage to keep the system's look
though my use of them is so limited that I don't remember if it's true
or not. Snaps definitely don't.

[DFS]

He'll die trying...

[RabidPedagog]

You're just a pessimist.

He fixed it and it will work incredibly well until his distribution
insists on updating some library that absolutely none of the software on
his installation uses and the machine becomes unbootable again.

[DFS]

On 9/22/2023 2:47 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:
> On 2023-09-22 1:31 p.m., DFS wrote:
>> On 9/20/2023 2:38 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>> On 2023-09-20 1:56 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>>> On 9/20/2023 2:51 AM, Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 19 Sep 2023 19:41:28 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/19/2023 4:02 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is supposed to be LINUX, right? Why are there so many cross
>>>>>>> posts
>>>>>>> to political newsgroups?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because there are so FEW Linux users here (and in the real world).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bloaty Bowman you?
>>>>>> RonB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not quite: I use Linux almost exclusively.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't think you've posted at all since Apr 2021.
>>>
>>> He was trying to fix his Linux desktop since then. :)
>>
>> He'll die trying...
>
> You're just a pessimist.

cola will do that to ya.

> He fixed it and it will work incredibly well until his distribution
> insists on updating some library that absolutely none of the software on
> his installation uses and the machine becomes unbootable again.

Not including WSL, I haven't installed a Linux distro to bare metal in
ages. I'm aching for that "real essence of computing" experience -
can't get it on Windows - so I just want to boot to a black-n-white rxvt
terminal so I can edit text and configuration files all day and night.

Which distro should I try?

[Kelsey Bjarnason]

Hasn't happened in the last couple years on this laptop. Maybe you're
doing something wrong.

[RabidPedagog]

Arch, because there is nothing neater than suffering all day long.

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how many cows can you milk at once

[vallor]

On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 16:06:12 -0400, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote in
<TsmPM.146018$GHI6....@fx17.iad>:

Y'all are weird.

Linux: the "L" in LAMP.

--
-v

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

Le 22-09-2023, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> a écrit :
>
> He fixed it and it will work incredibly well until his distribution
> insists on updating some library that absolutely none of the software on
> his installation uses and the machine becomes unbootable again.

It's more like the Windows way. At work, the GPO are applied every month
on my computer and almost every time something is broken for a few days
until they fix it. At home, I update Linux every day and nothing breaks.

And unlike Windows, if I don't need something, it's not installed.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

[Stéphane CARPENTIER]

Le 21-09-2023, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjar...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> Possibly; I've yet to use an OS without any instances of regression
> errors.

Two possibilities:
- either try nixos or guix, if anything is wrong, you go back in
seconds.
- use btrfs, if anything is wrong, you go back in seconds.

[RabidPedagog]

LOL, you don't use Arch either. While it's nice to understand how each
component of the operating system works and connects with the others,
the rolling nature of the distribution and LEGO-style approach to build
is not likely to last long before it becomes unbootable. There are
certain modern conveniences that people interested in Linux can accept
without being considered impure.

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-09-23 4:54 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 22-09-2023, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> a écrit :
>>
>> He fixed it and it will work incredibly well until his distribution
>> insists on updating some library that absolutely none of the software on
>> his installation uses and the machine becomes unbootable again.
>
> It's more like the Windows way. At work, the GPO are applied every month
> on my computer and almost every time something is broken for a few days
> until they fix it. At home, I update Linux every day and nothing breaks.
>
> And unlike Windows, if I don't need something, it's not installed.

I believe you. It's been my experience with 10 and 11 so far. I like 11,
but I've had times where I was forced to reinstall because an update
suddenly rendered everything unbootable and the built-in utilities
wouldn't help. Of course, this has happened to Linux as well which is
why I am laughing at it too. For me, the reality is that the Mac is the
only platform which seems to work properly from day one until the moment
you decide to retire the hardware. It truly is quite elegant and fun to
use when you finally decide to do it.

[chrisv]

RabidPedagog wrote:

>For me, the reality is that the Mac is the
>only platform which seems to work properly from day one until the moment
>you decide to retire the hardware. It truly is quite elegant and fun to
>use when you finally decide to do it.

I don't doubt that, but that's a lot easier for them, with the
restricted number of choices in their ecosystem. Most people are
willing to give some of that up, in exchange for more freedom and
choice.

--
"you ignorantly thought Linux was *perfect* as so many cola nutcases
do" - DumFSck, lying shamelessly

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-09-23 10:28 a.m., chrisv wrote:
> RabidPedagog wrote:
>
>> For me, the reality is that the Mac is the
>> only platform which seems to work properly from day one until the moment
>> you decide to retire the hardware. It truly is quite elegant and fun to
>> use when you finally decide to do it.
>
> I don't doubt that, but that's a lot easier for them, with the
> restricted number of choices in their ecosystem. Most people are
> willing to give some of that up, in exchange for more freedom and
> choice.

It can be argued that the limited configurations of Mac systems enables
Apple to guarantee that things will work as they should. I used to see
this as unfair and consider Windows to be better simply because it
caters to a higher amount of possibilities, but I don't dislike it
anymore. I would rather things work properly on the machine I rely on
for work.

[rbowman]

On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 11:04:27 -0400, RabidPedagog wrote:

> It can be argued that the limited configurations of Mac systems enables
> Apple to guarantee that things will work as they should. I used to see
> this as unfair and consider Windows to be better simply because it
> caters to a higher amount of possibilities, but I don't dislike it
> anymore. I would rather things work properly on the machine I rely on
> for work.

In the military you don't have to worry about your wardrobe other than
keeping it presentable. You will wear the Uniform of the Day.

Just saying...

[RabidPedagog]

Yep, that's why I'm still keeping an eye on what System76 is offering
for the next laptop purchase. Additionally, trying to fix my mother's
"computer is slow" issue today reminded me why I hate Windows sometimes.
She has Windows 11 on a Core i7, but I only today noticed that it was
running on an HD rather than an SSD. The issue seems to have been caused
by system files being corrupted (fixed by an extra-long process of SFC),
but there might have been more to fix with DISM. Considering how long
SFC took, I didn't want to bother to wait around for the second issue. I
just told her that if the issue persists, she has two options: install
Linux or get an M2 Mac Mini. We can say whatever we like about Linux,
but it runs _DAMN_ well on an HD.

[RonB]

I tried Telegram in either Snap or FlatPak and it definitely didn't carry
over the system theme. It was probably Snap. Whatever it was I got rid of
it, even though it was newer than what the repositories offered on Linux
Mint 20.3.

[RonB]

On 2023-09-23, Stéphane CARPENTIER <s...@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
> Le 22-09-2023, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> a écrit :
>>
>> He fixed it and it will work incredibly well until his distribution
>> insists on updating some library that absolutely none of the software on
>> his installation uses and the machine becomes unbootable again.
>
> It's more like the Windows way. At work, the GPO are applied every month
> on my computer and almost every time something is broken for a few days
> until they fix it. At home, I update Linux every day and nothing breaks.
>
> And unlike Windows, if I don't need something, it's not installed.

So many people avoid Windows updates as long as they can because they're
always a "hold your breath" moment. Besides the fact they take forever.
Maybe Microsoft should study how to do updates from Linux distributions.

[RonB]

In 18 years of using Linux I've never had it fail me. One time (not too long
ago) I updated the BIOS on a Dell computer and the changes it made to the
EFI partition screwed up booting, but a Linux rescue disk fixed that in
about five minutes.

When you get the the Blue Screen of Death after an upgrade on a Windows
computer you might well save time and just rebuild the computer (after
booting into a Live Linux distribution in a USB drive and rescuing your
data).

[RonB]

On 2023-09-23, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:

Macs are "pretty," but I feel constrained when I use them. Almost no
customization. It seems to me that, if you like Macs, it's because you've
bought into the whole Apple ecosystem. Not for me, personally. But if you like
Mac OS and Apple, it's a good choice for you.

[RonB]

And some people like that sort regulation. I don't.

[RonB]

Not an advocate for Windows, but why not just get your mom an SSD for the
computer she has? Heck, I bought a 500 GB PNY SSD for about $30 and it even
came with a cable and software to transfer my hard drive to SSD. And it
worked, brought both the Windows and Linux partitions over. Only thing I had
to do is remove one line that referred to the old drive from a configuration
file for the Linux side. (Linux worked until I removed that line, but the
boot hung for a minute looking the missing hard drive.)

[rbowman]

On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 17:07:51 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> In 18 years of using Linux I've never had it fail me. One time (not too
> long ago) I updated the BIOS on a Dell computer and the changes it made
> to the EFI partition screwed up booting, but a Linux rescue disk fixed
> that in about five minutes.

I had something go wrong with a Debian upgrade last month but 'dpkg --
configure' fixed the problem.

[RabidPedagog]

Actually, if you installed it through Mint, it was most likely the
Flatpak since Clément Lefebvre of Linux Mint actively removes Snap
capability from the distribution. People are free to install it post
installation, but it's not there by default.

[RabidPedagog]

Windows 10 and 11 have definitely screwed up on me a number of times. I
honestly think that only 7 and 8.1 weren't problematic for me, but I
might be forgetting since it was a fair time ago. Of course, a variety
of Linux distributions have also screwed up on me and the only ones that
didn't simply weren't installed for long enough to do so. The only
system that I have confidence will never break for me is Mac OS. It just
feels stellar.

[RabidPedagog]

It started with the rather unimpressive iPhone 13. Honestly, to this
day, I can't say that it is better than any Android device I've used
BUT, I note that my device has 4GB of RAM and performs a lot better than
any Android I've used with double the amount of RAM. The pictures are
also beautiful as are the videos. It has trouble with the car's
Bluetooth system, but it looks like it's been a reported (but unfixed)
problem. My wife decided to buy me Airpods Pro for my birthday a few
years ago and while the sound quality itself doesn't seem better, I love
how effortlessly I can switch from noise cancellation to transparency,
how good the battery life is, the Dolby Atmos when using Apple Music and
how easily I can switch the source device while keeping them in my ears.
The eventual purchase of the MacBook Air M1 was almost accidental (I
lowballed the seller and didn't think I'd get it), but I feel an
absolute joy in using it, especially considering how well it works with
the AirPods Pro and the iPhone 13. There is a certain confidence I have
in using the hardware which allows me to just focus on what I'm doing
rather than fearing that something might break at any moment. Such a
thing is quite refreshing.

[RabidPedagog]

That's probably what we're going to end up doing if she ends up
complaining about the speed again. There's a Canada Computer store down
the boulevard from where they live so getting an SSD is an obvious idea.
I just have no idea how easy it'll be to get into the device she uses to
switch the hardware. It's an Intel NUC Mac Mini-type computer.

[-hh]

On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 2:13:24 AM UTC+9, RonB wrote:
> On 2023-09-23, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
> > On 2023-09-23 10:28 a.m., chrisv wrote:
> >> RabidPedagog wrote:
> >>
> >>> For me, the reality is that the Mac is the
> >>> only platform which seems to work properly from day one until the moment
> >>> you decide to retire the hardware. It truly is quite elegant and fun to
> >>> use when you finally decide to do it.
> >>
> >> I don't doubt that, but that's a lot easier for them, with the
> >> restricted number of choices in their ecosystem. Most people are
> >> willing to give some of that up, in exchange for more freedom and
> >> choice.
> >
> > It can be argued that the limited configurations of Mac systems enables
> > Apple to guarantee that things will work as they should. I used to see
> > this as unfair and consider Windows to be better simply because it
> > caters to a higher amount of possibilities, but I don't dislike it
> > anymore. I would rather things work properly on the machine I rely on
> > for work.
>
> Macs are "pretty," but I feel constrained when I use them. Almost no
> customization.

There’s ample customization, for those who don’t want to break stuff.
After all, it’s underpinnings are still Unix.

> It seems to me that, if you like Macs, it's because you've bought into
> the whole Apple ecosystem. Not for me, personally. But if you like
> Mac OS and Apple, it's a good choice for you.

I’d say that the general philosophy is to avoid having to learn geeky minutia
for effectively doing common stuff. Problem that Apple is now going overboard
on “helpful handholding” because it helps _their_ business plan to upsell
customers to Cloud storage. I just ran into this with Apple discontinuing their
free “Photo Stream” synchronization service, apparently in an effort to push users
into paying for photo storage for their entire catalog. Problem is that they don’t
provide good documentation for those who don’t want what’s effectively SAAS.

-hh

[-hh]

$30 is a pretty good price for a 500GB; my rule of thumb is $100 per TB,
plus a modest premium for name brands over “who?”. For future-proofing
applications, it’s worth getting more capacity though, just to save on one’s
touch labor costs.

> That's probably what we're going to end up doing if she ends up
> complaining about the speed again. There's a Canada Computer store down
> the boulevard from where they live so getting an SSD is an obvious idea.

SSDs really extend useful life

> I just have no idea how easy it'll be to get into the device she uses to
> switch the hardware. It's an Intel NUC Mac Mini-type computer.

Online DIY guides are pretty common on name brand stuff.
With NVMe becoming more common on devices, it’s a bit tricky
to make sure to buy the right SSD.

[RonB]

On 2023-09-24, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:

I did enable Snap because there was one package, Wrap, that converts
Fountain files to PDFs (screenwriting format) that is only provided to Linux
users via Snap. I don't use it because 'Afterwriting does the same and (in
my opinion) does a better job. But that's why Snap was originally installed
on this machine (I can't remember if I put it on any other machines or
not). I've since uninstalled Snap and the Wrap utility – just realized that
now when I tried to run a shell script that requires Wrap and it wasn't
found.

[RonB]

I think my father had some issues like that on Linux Mint (easily repaired),
but he tends to not upgrade certain packages that he doesn't recognize, so
he'll do partial updates sometimes. When (for whatever reason) Linux Mint
doesn't download all the files for an update (sometimes the add-on
repositories don't work), I refuse the update until all the files are
available. Or, sometimes, I just get rid of the add-on repository (if it's
troublesome) and update the application on my own (if I feel it's necessary
to update it at all).

[RonB]

On 2023-09-24, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:

I can see where Mac could be solid – Apple completely controls it. But it
feels "confining" to me, especially since I don't buy into the whole Apple
ecosystem. (Mac OS want to talk to anything Apple on your account. I don't
sync from device to another, nor do I use Apple Drive or One Drive in
Windows. I don't like that both Apple and Windows wants to "call home.")

And, since I use older hardware and a stable (non-cutting edge) distribution
(Linux Mint) Linux is rock solid for me and has been for about 15 or 16 years.
"Rock solid" seems to be an attribute of Debian as well, so I might move to
LMDE and bypass Ubuntu (though Ubuntu seems pretty solid also and LM
bypasses the Snap stuff).

[RonB]

On 2023-09-24, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:

I understand. You've basically bought into the Apple ecosystem. And I can
understand why people do that. Not for me, though. My wife has an iPhone and
an Apple Watch (as does my daughter) and one son has an iPhone one with the
AirPads that he likes. My nephew sent me an iPhone SE (the original one) and
I liked it enough to replace the battery myself, but mostly I did that
because I felt it was a gift and I hate it when devices don't work well.
It's got a free FreedomPop SIM in it, which gives me 100 minutes of talk,
100 texts and 100 MBs of data every month (no charge) but I only use it
occasionally to see if it's still activated and working. It knows I have a
MacBook (still) and a MacMini and wants to interact with them – which I
don't like. But I admit, the little thing is pretty well built. My
smartphone (which I mostly use for playing pinochle) is a Pixel 3a. It's
got a really good camera (that I haven't really learned to use) – but I got
it because it's the smallest, good quality, smartphone I could find that
wasn't 5G and used an eSIM. I've also installed Termux on it and (with a
BlueTooth keyboard) I can write in Emacs on it, and I've even installed
'Afterwriting and ScreenPlain on it. Once I got that working, I don't do
much with it, but it's there if I want to use it (Even wrote a shell script
to make moving the files over to right directory for emailing them to
myself). And it was pretty cheap, used. I have that on a Tello account that
costs $8.07 a month (tax and fees are 7 cents). It works well, but I carry a
flip phone when I go out – $5 a month (tax included) for unlimited talk,
text and 500 MBs of data (which I don't use except when the cable is down
and I need a HotSpot). This one is from Hello Mobile. I almost exclusively
use phones for talking and a little texting.

Sorry for rambling.

[Physfitfreak]

On 9/25/2023 7:45 PM, RonB wrote:
>
>>
>>> In 18 years of using Linux I've never had it fail me.
>>>

In the same 18 years, I've had only one occasion that Linux didn't fail me.

[%]

at 18 years i was old enough to drink

[RonB]

If it's using a 2.5" hard drive, it's probably something similar to this
one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hzj7DogqXU

Four screws on the bottom to get the base plate off and the hard drive caddy
is the first thing you'll see. Depending on how much memory your Mom has,
you'll probably want to look at upgrading the RAM as well. (Apparently these
came with either one slot or two RAM slots.)

My main desktop computer (the one I'm using) is a Dell 3020 Micro. I like
the low power consumption and how cool and quiet these run. These are a bit
smaller than a Mac Mini (about 7" by 6.75" by 1.5"). You don't need tools at
all to replace the hard drive/SSD on these. One thumb screw on the back, the
top comes off and the hard drive and caddy pops out by depressing two
plastic tabs. A 3020 is fairly old, but Dell still makes these in the same
case with newer models. They use a laptop power supply, which is probably
why they stay cool. Mine has VGA and a Display Port (though you can add an
HDMI port if you want, the newer ones come with an HDMI and Display Port).
WiFi is also built in (but they also have an Ethernet port). Two memory slots
– also accessible without any tools. If you're only using a computer (like I
do) for general computing purposes, I would suggest these (or the Intel NUC,
like your Mom's) to anyone. I think HP also has a line that's very similar –
probably lots of others.

https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-w5trgcbv/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/7700/60404/3020micro5__43915.1644957250.jpg?c=2?imbypass=on

I should mention, the cable that came with my SSD (that allowed the drive
transfer) just uses one of the USB ports — hopefully a 3.0 port if you have
one.

[RonB]

Cutting edge hardware and cutting edge distributions? Games? Wine?

I don't use any of the above. Probably why things work well for me.

[RabidPedagog]

I don't want to feel like I bought into the Apple ecosystem but yes,
it's pretty clear that I have. The feeling on the keyboard of this
MacBook Air, in particular, is quite satisfying considering it is a
laptop. I don't make as many typos on this hardware simply because it
responds the way that I would expect a laptop to, unlike the Zephyrus
G14 and its mostly mushy keyboard. I can live with either, but given the
choice on keyboard alone, I would go with the Mac. As for the rest,
things working properly together wouldn't have been as much of a selling
point for me in my younger years, but I can't live without it now in my
40s. I've simply lost patience for dealing with the hardware; I don't
want to have to fix things that should work right on a constant basis. I
hate it when updates screw things up more than I used to, and I hate it
when things such as good battery life and reliable ports are an
afterthought at this point in time. I feel confident that this machine
will work as well in 2027 as it does now, not so for the other computer.
It's a tremendous benefit for me to not constantly clean the system or
worry that something might break like I did in Windows or Linux.


--
RabidPedagog
Galatians 6:7

[RabidPedagog]

Trust me, I know that feeling. Linux is basically the kind of thing you
love and absolutely want to love, like a child, but it either gets bad
grades, gets into trouble with the law or ends up waking up at 2am and
repeating "Maya" a few thousand times like my 3-year-old does.

[RabidPedagog]

I'm not sure about whether there is even a point to upgrading the RAM
considering what the woman does on the computer: Facebook and e-mail.
The hard disk being replaced is an obvious improvement, but she doesn't
do enough for the other change to be beneficial. Plus, it's a Core i7
xxxU processor. That U stands for "underwhelming" in my opinion. I'd
rather she buy a better machine than try to get decent performance out
of that thing.

[DFS]

Did you used to post here as Phys Ed?

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-09-25 8:38 p.m., RonB wrote:

While I like the fact that there is no one way to do things in Linux, I
am a little annoyed that there is a certain feud between the sandboxed
formats. I imagine that this feud will never be resolved either,
consider how the Wayland/X11, SysV/SystemD and the rest have yet to be
resolved. Oh well. It would have been nice for all possible applications
to be available in every one of the formats with whichever format is
most popular becoming the de facto standard. I guess that's wishful
thinking on my part.

[RabidPedagog]

To be fair, I only got into the Apple ecosystem because I wanted to
upgrade my aging LG G6 and was annoyed to learn that LG was no longer
going to manufacture Android phones. I'm not a big fan of Samsung (my
Samsung dryer died prematurely as did my father-in-law's) so I figured
I'd go with whichever company supported the phone for the longest.
Unlike most Android manufacturers which top at three years, Apple
supports its phones for about five. The computers are supported for
about seven. To me, that means that while the hardware might cost a
little more, it costs less if you count the years during which the
hardware will be useful to you.

For a computer purchase, such support is going to be stellar for me
since I no longer feel any kind of desire to upgrade every two years. As
a result, I can buy an Apple laptop in say 2025, benefit from a $200
rebate because I am a teacher which I then use to purchase a three-year
accidental-damage warranty and know that I will only need to retire the
machine in 2032. It's a fantastic investment for a guy who is
considering retiring from gaming entirely (unless my son decides that he
leaves to play sports video games at which point I'll get a console and
kick his ass daily).

> And, since I use older hardware and a stable (non-cutting edge) distribution
> (Linux Mint) Linux is rock solid for me and has been for about 15 or 16 years.
> "Rock solid" seems to be an attribute of Debian as well, so I might move to
> LMDE and bypass Ubuntu (though Ubuntu seems pretty solid also and LM
> bypasses the Snap stuff).

I can't fault Linux for providing a wonderful experience for machines
which would othewise end up in the junk pile. Here at work, retired
machines were loaded with Ubuntu and put the work as workstations in the
library. I enjoy teaching the kids a bit about Linux when I'm there, in
particular those who look like they're a little poor and can't afford
the latest and greatest or who are interested in programming and could
benefit from the absolute freedom of the Linux platform. For myself and
co-workers though, Linux is the least interesting option, even though it
would definitely be a lot better than the Windows 10 they load on the
cheap plastic Dell laptops they give us. Those laptops are so awful
(hardware and software-wise) that I insist on bringing in my own
hardware at my expense.

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-09-25 10:58 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2023-09-26, Physfitfreak <Physfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/25/2023 7:45 PM, RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In 18 years of using Linux I've never had it fail me.
>>>>>
>>
>>
>> In the same 18 years, I've had only one occasion that Linux didn't fail me.
>
> Cutting edge hardware and cutting edge distributions? Games? Wine?
>
> I don't use any of the above. Probably why things work well for me.

I would expect the same thing, to be honest. It's not that great on new
hardware, but it's surprisingly not great _at all_ on MSI hardware.

[Physfitfreak]

On 9/25/2023 9:58 PM, RonB wrote:
> On 2023-09-26, Physfitfreak <Physfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/25/2023 7:45 PM, RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In 18 years of using Linux I've never had it fail me.
>>>>>
>>
>>
>> In the same 18 years, I've had only one occasion that Linux didn't fail me.
>
> Cutting edge hardware and cutting edge distributions? Games? Wine?
>
> I don't use any of the above. Probably why things work well for me.
>

I don't believe I've used anything cutting edge in my life. Didn't need
to. Relf needs such crap, cause it's just a toy for him. A toy better be
cutting edge you know :)

Even on the one occasion when Linux proved useful for me, it failed to
work the next time despite the identical situation.. I bet this sounds
familiar to more than just me in here.

[Physfitfreak]

I rarely ever post here.

I change my alias only when I myself change. It always reflects what I am.

[RabidPedagog]

That sounds a lot like what I do. My nicknames were generally a
representation of my lack of self-esteem. Nowadays, I don't lack it that
much, so I figured I'd come up with a name which strictly announces what
it is that I am.

[%]

how do you post a horse's ass

[%]

a soon to be dead dog

[Physfitfreak]

If my nickname depicted my lack of virtues, it would be one line long :)
So I try to base them on positive aspects of my life. Right now, of
course, the nickname is the shortened, "physical fitness freak."

[Relf]

2.2 Years ago FitFreak was:

clutterfreak incarnate @gmail_com Sci.Physics scq2pl$711$1...@solani.org

He lives in Texas but he prefers Iran, where his family is;
he won't say _why_ he can't return to Iran.

Putin is bullying Ukraine, same as the Soviets did, before him.

All over the world, dictators kill dissenters.

"God" is Nature Herself. Every cult needs an apocalypse.
Everyone believes what he _NEEDS_ to believe;
division is inevitable.

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-09-26 8:55 p.m., Relf wrote:
> 2.2 Years ago FitFreak was:
>
> clutterfreak incarnate @gmail_com Sci.Physics scq2pl$711$1...@solani.org
>
> He lives in Texas but he prefers Iran, where his family is;
> he won't say _why_ he can't return to Iran.
>
> Putin is bullying Ukraine, same as the Soviets did, before him.

In case you missed it, Zelensky was in Canada. To celebrate, our
Parliament honoured a Ukrainian Nazi who fought the Soviets. It did
wonders to restore support for the Liberal government and rally the
people behind our beloved Prime Minister Trudeau.

Either that, or we are more embarrassed of our government and Prime
Minister than we ever were before and Zelensky has been highlighted as a
piece of crap who doesn't deserve a single dollar for the fact that he
is sending his people to the slaughterhouse.

> All over the world, dictators kill dissenters.
>
> "God" is Nature Herself. Every cult needs an apocalypse.
> Everyone believes what he _NEEDS_ to believe;
> division is inevitable

[Physfitfreak]

On 9/26/2023 7:55 PM, Relf wrote:
> 2.2 Years ago FitFreak was:

You're correct only if your age is about O.453 .. Can you get your age
from what I just said? I'm not even sure you can do that. It's sad.

[%]

no it's not what's sad is you don't help him

[chrisv]

RabidPedagog wrote:

>In case you missed it, Zelensky was in Canada. To celebrate, our
>Parliament honoured a Ukrainian Nazi who fought the Soviets.

Wasn't he an actor? And since when is fighting the Soviets a bad
thing?

>It did
>wonders to restore support for the Liberal government and rally the
>people behind our beloved Prime Minister Trudeau.

I like Zelensky more than I do the Trudeau tyrant...

--
'Chrisv comes into each day with a blank mind and waits for [Fauci's]
latest pronouncement to fully engage with the new "reality."' -
RonB, lying shamelessly

[RabidPedagog]

On 2023-09-27 8:27 a.m., chrisv wrote:
> RabidPedagog wrote:
>
>> In case you missed it, Zelensky was in Canada. To celebrate, our
>> Parliament honoured a Ukrainian Nazi who fought the Soviets.
>
> Wasn't he an actor? And since when is fighting the Soviets a bad
> thing?

It was during the Second World War. The Soviets were allies and the
Ukrainians fighting them were Nazis.

>> It did
>> wonders to restore support for the Liberal government and rally the
>> people behind our beloved Prime Minister Trudeau.
>
> I like Zelensky more than I do the Trudeau tyrant...

I hate both.

[Relf]

Like a true Soviet, Putin tortures Ukraine&Poland.

You (AndyMatt) replied ( to ChrisV ):

> > I like Zelensky more than I do the Trudeau tyrant...
>
> I hate both.

Then quit your job, Andy, & join Putin's fight against Ukraine&Poland.

[rbowman]

On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 07:27:19 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> RabidPedagog wrote:
>
>>In case you missed it, Zelensky was in Canada. To celebrate, our
>>Parliament honoured a Ukrainian Nazi who fought the Soviets.
>
> Wasn't he an actor? And since when is fighting the Soviets a bad thing?

The US thought it was when it supported the Soviets in WWII. A lot of
problems would have been solved if the Soviets were driven to the east
side of the Urals.

>
>>It did wonders to restore support for the Liberal government and rally
>>the people behind our beloved Prime Minister Trudeau.
>
> I like Zelensky more than I do the Trudeau tyrant...

Zelensky reminds me of the Jerry Lewis telethons except that comedian only
did his act on Labor Day weekend. Zelensky has his hand out 24/7/365.

[rbowman]

Try to keep up. Poland may attack the Ukraine one of these days if they
remember Bandera's attempted genocide of Poles. Insulting one of your best
cheerleaders isn't a recipe for success.

[Relf]

rBowman Notes:

> Zelensky has his hand out 24/7/365.

Joe Biden silences the opposition.
Why beat Trump at the polls when you can just put him in jail ?!

Zelensky silences the opposition, Challengers Vanish;
Ditto for Putin, Xi, Kim JongUn, Narendra Modi, Lula, etc.

Everyone believes what he _NEEDS_ to believe;

division is inevitable.

Sarcasm:

Quit your job & join Putin's fight against America, Ukraine & Poland.

[Relf]

You (rBowman) replied ( to me ):

> > Like a true Soviet, Putin tortures Ukraine&Poland.
>

> Poland may attack the Ukraine one of these days

That's _NOT_ what's happening now, far from it.

Putin would take Poland/America in a New York minute, if he could.

[RonB]

The keyboard is probably good quality (it is the MacBook Air 2014 that I
still have) but the keys are all wrong. I use ALT and CTRL keys all the
time, I wouldn't want to relearn the keyboard. Us old geezers are pretty set
in our ways.

40s huh? You young whipper-snapper.

Good luck with the Mac and the Apple world. Not the path I would want, but
it looks like it's working out for you.

[RonB]

On 2023-09-26, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:

My Linux installs have always been well-behaved.

[RonB]

On 2023-09-26, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:

I like the "U" processors. That means low power. The machine will run
cooler, you won't hear the fan, and the lack of heat should mean a longer
life.

Windows, itself, works better with more memory. When I fix up a laptop and I
want to add memory (where one slot is empty), I run dmidecode in Linux so I
can match the module exactly. Then I just look for that particular RAM
module on eBay. Which is cheaper than looking for memory using the model
number of the laptop or desktop. (The NUCs and Dell Micros are basically
laptops, without screens, passed off as desktops.)

[RonB]

On 2023-09-27, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
> On 2023-09-26 8:55 p.m., Relf wrote:
>> 2.2 Years ago FitFreak was:
>>
>> clutterfreak incarnate @gmail_com Sci.Physics scq2pl$711$1...@solani.org
>>
>> He lives in Texas but he prefers Iran, where his family is;
>> he won't say _why_ he can't return to Iran.
>>
>> Putin is bullying Ukraine, same as the Soviets did, before him.
>
> In case you missed it, Zelensky was in Canada. To celebrate, our
> Parliament honoured a Ukrainian Nazi who fought the Soviets. It did
> wonders to restore support for the Liberal government and rally the
> people behind our beloved Prime Minister Trudeau.
>
> Either that, or we are more embarrassed of our government and Prime
> Minister than we ever were before and Zelensky has been highlighted as a
> piece of crap who doesn't deserve a single dollar for the fact that he
> is sending his people to the slaughterhouse.

Why should this have surprised anyone? The Azov Battalion openly displays
swastikas and other Nazi symbols, either tattooed on their bodies or worn on
the patches of their uniforms. They're not shy about it. These slimeballs
stay behind the lines and shoot the "cannon fodder" (non-Nazis) when they
try to save their lives by retreating. And their slimeball U.S. Congress-slug
supporters aren't making any secret about fighting the Russians to the "last
Ukrainian." I think they really mean it.

>> All over the world, dictators kill dissenters.
>>
>> "God" is Nature Herself. Every cult needs an apocalypse.
>> Everyone believes what he _NEEDS_ to believe;
>> division is inevitable
>


--

[RonB]

On 2023-09-27, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:

Zelensky is an actor in it for the money that he can skim off the top.
Supposedly $400 million so far. And his cronies are well paid also. U.S.
taxes at work. Too bad we aren't concerned about own borders as we are about
Ukraine's borders.

[RonB]

Poland is already eyeballing their old territory in Ukraine. If they could
get over their hatred of Russia (not unearned, especially if by Russia you
mean the Soviet Union) Putin would probably cut them a deal. Hungary and
Romania will probably be wanting their old territory back as well.

[RabidPedagog]

Things aren't black and white here. Russia isn't right to invade, but it
wasn't given much of a choice considering how Ukraine was ignoring all
warnings about how displeased their neighbour was, ignoring the will of
the people in Crimea who favoured Russia and voted to lean in their
direction at a rate of 98% (with as high a voting participation rate and
where the government treated the Russians there like cannon fodder), and
leaving Russia with what was potentially an indefensible country. If
Ukraine works with the United States, any natural obstacle the country
has to stop invading armies is gone, so Russia's security is indeed
imperiled. Between the two of them, Russia is actually the more
reasonable party.

[RonB]

On 2023-09-26, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:

> On 2023-09-25 8:38 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2023-09-24, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:

>>> On 2023-09-24 12:58 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2023-09-22, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-09-21 10:10 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-09-21, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-09-21 1:49 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-21, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-20 8:37 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-20, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-09-19 7:41 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/2023 4:02 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is supposed to be LINUX, right? Why are there so many cross posts
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to political newsgroups?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because there are so FEW Linux users here (and in the real world).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bloaty
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bowman
>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>> RonB
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This place used to be jumping: dozens of good OS threads day after day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It died a few years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> One biggie was when owl left and took most of the gays with him.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Linux is better than it used to be, but as long as it has trouble with
>>>>>>>>>>> waking from sleep, it's going to be used very sparingly by people who
>>>>>>>>>>> primarily buy laptops. Meanwhile, Apple machines work perfectly for
>>>>>>>>>>> everything they were designed to do and Windows hardware sort of does...
>>>>>>>>>>> sort of.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Still no issues waking from sleep on my laptops in Linux. I guess Dell is
>>>>>>>>>> the way to go.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At the same time, if you're mostly using a desktop, there is a good
>>>>>>>>> chance that you're not using the suspend functionality or that your
>>>>>>>>> screen simply turns off when the computer is not in use. For that, Linux
>>>>>>>>> is always reliable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, I specifically set it to suspend (sleep) mode when I close the lid. In
>>>>>>>> Dells, when the laptop suspends, you get a slow blink. Open the lid and it
>>>>>>>> opens the login screen (from a black screen). I can also hit the "Sleep"
>>>>>>>> button with the lid open and it will do the same. In that case you tap the
>>>>>>>> power button to return to the login screen (again from a black screen). It
>>>>>>>> works exactly how it's supposed to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It Dell got it to work as intended, I applaud them for it. MSI's never
>>>>>>> worked right unless I used openSUSE and the Zephyrus G14 from ASUS
>>>>>>> didn't work reliably, even after I followed the configuration guide on
>>>>>>> asus-linux.org.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't had any trouble with the Dell laptops (I've installed on several)
>>>>>> for years now. But, again, I use "trailing edge" hardware.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just installed the new LMDE 6 beta release (Linux Mint Debian Edition). I
>>>>>>>>>> can't tell any practical difference between it and the "regular" Linux Mint
>>>>>>>>>> installs. I know it uses Debian repositories instead of Ubuntu ones and that
>>>>>>>>>> the kernel is newer (6.1.x) but it looks and works exactly the same for what
>>>>>>>>>> I do. And it has all the same utilities that are unique to Linux Mint. Which
>>>>>>>>>> kind of proves that Linux Mint isn't just a fork of Ubuntu.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would have to guess that the only real difference is that you don't
>>>>>>>>> have access to some of the specialty apps which seem to be exclusive to
>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu. However, with Flatpak especially, this is not much of a problem
>>>>>>>>> anymore. I imagine that Debian and its derivatives support Flatpak with
>>>>>>>>> ease, so if an application appears to be "exclusive" to Ubuntu, a simple
>>>>>>>>> visit to flathub.org should fix the problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linux Mint even has a graphical Software Manager where you can click FlatPak
>>>>>>>> and it will show (I believe) the whole Flathub library. I hardly ever use
>>>>>>>> Flatpaks or the Software Manager, but it's there if you want it. Linux Mint
>>>>>>>> also automatically updates Flatpaks with the normal update process. But,
>>>>>>>> unlike Ubuntu and its Snaps, it (apparently) actually works. If I have any
>>>>>>>> FlatPaks installed I don't even know it (and wouldn't have to know it).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I recall installing a few Snaps with Ubuntu a couple of years ago. They
>>>>>>> worked, but they took forever to load. It actually discouraged anyone
>>>>>>> from using them over the software found either in the default or
>>>>>>> additional repositories. FlatPaks and AppImages are nowhere near as slow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Snaps, AppImages and FlatPaks don't always carry over your desktop theme. At
>>>>>> least that's been my limited experience. I don't use these packages much. I
>>>>>> prefer the repository or downloading the application from its website. Most
>>>>>> Linux developers provide a .deb package still.
>>>>>
>>>>> They're sandboxed so the system's theme is not supposed to carry over.
>>>>> However, I think that Flatpaks still manage to keep the system's look
>>>>> though my use of them is so limited that I don't remember if it's true
>>>>> or not. Snaps definitely don't.
>>>>
>>>> I tried Telegram in either Snap or FlatPak and it definitely didn't carry
>>>> over the system theme. It was probably Snap. Whatever it was I got rid of
>>>> it, even though it was newer than what the repositories offered on Linux
>>>> Mint 20.3.
>>>
>>> Actually, if you installed it through Mint, it was most likely the
>>> Flatpak since Clément Lefebvre of Linux Mint actively removes Snap
>>> capability from the distribution. People are free to install it post
>>> installation, but it's not there by default.
>>
>> I did enable Snap because there was one package, Wrap, that converts
>> Fountain files to PDFs (screenwriting format) that is only provided to Linux
>> users via Snap. I don't use it because 'Afterwriting does the same and (in
>> my opinion) does a better job. But that's why Snap was originally installed
>> on this machine (I can't remember if I put it on any other machines or
>> not). I've since uninstalled Snap and the Wrap utility – just realized that
>> now when I tried to run a shell script that requires Wrap and it wasn't
>> found.
>
> While I like the fact that there is no one way to do things in Linux, I
> am a little annoyed that there is a certain feud between the sandboxed
> formats. I imagine that this feud will never be resolved either,
> consider how the Wayland/X11, SysV/SystemD and the rest have yet to be
> resolved. Oh well. It would have been nice for all possible applications
> to be available in every one of the formats with whichever format is
> most popular becoming the de facto standard. I guess that's wishful
> thinking on my part.

I like choice. A "standard" means someone (or "someones") control things. I
was born when you still had a lot car brands, applicance brands, regional
food brands, etc. A lot of choice and variety, before everyone started
getting gobbled up by monopolists who consolidated everything and then
limited your choices. That might be why I like Linux and the "however many
thousands" of distributions out there. It "smells" like freedom.

As for Snap, FlatPak and AppImage, if all three are up and running, there's
a better chance that some niche application will be found in one of these
formats. A niche application that might be ignored by a monopoly that
doesn't have to compete – if one of these became the "standard." And there's
no real cost to using applications from all three of these on a single Linux
machine.

At any rate, that's how I look at it.

Choice is good.

[RonB]

On 2023-09-26, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:

> On 2023-09-25 8:54 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2023-09-24, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:

>>> On 2023-09-24 1:07 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2023-09-23, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-09-23 4:54 a.m., Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>>>>> Le 22-09-2023, RabidPedagog <ra...@pedag.og> a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He fixed it and it will work incredibly well until his distribution
>>>>>>> insists on updating some library that absolutely none of the software on
>>>>>>> his installation uses and the machine becomes unbootable again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's more like the Windows way. At work, the GPO are applied every month
>>>>>> on my computer and almost every time something is broken for a few days
>>>>>> until they fix it. At home, I update Linux every day and nothing breaks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And unlike Windows, if I don't need something, it's not installed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe you. It's been my experience with 10 and 11 so far. I like 11,
>>>>> but I've had times where I was forced to reinstall because an update
>>>>> suddenly rendered everything unbootable and the built-in utilities
>>>>> wouldn't help. Of course, this has happened to Linux as well which is
>>>>> why I am laughing at it too. For me, the reality is that the Mac is the

>>>>> only platform which seems to work properly from day one until the moment
>>>>> you decide to retire the hardware. It truly is quite elegant and fun to
>>>>> use when you finally decide to do it.
>>>>

>>>> In 18 years of using Linux I've never had it fail me. One time (not too long
>>>> ago) I updated the BIOS on a Dell computer and the changes it made to the
>>>> EFI partition screwed up booting, but a Linux rescue disk fixed that in
>>>> about five minutes.
>>>>
>>>> When you get the the Blue Screen of Death after an upgrade on a Windows
>>>> computer you might well save time and just rebuild the computer (after
>>>> booting into a Live Linux distribution in a USB drive and rescuing your
>>>> data).
>>>
>>> Windows 10 and 11 have definitely screwed up on me a number of times. I
>>> honestly think that only 7 and 8.1 weren't problematic for me, but I
>>> might be forgetting since it was a fair time ago. Of course, a variety
>>> of Linux distributions have also screwed up on me and the only ones that
>>> didn't simply weren't installed for long enough to do so. The only
>>> system that I have confidence will never break for me is Mac OS. It just
>>> feels stellar.
>>
>> I can see where Mac could be solid – Apple completely controls it. But it
>> feels "confining" to me, especially since I don't buy into the whole Apple
>> ecosystem. (Mac OS want to talk to anything Apple on your account. I don't
>> sync from device to another, nor do I use Apple Drive or One Drive in
>> Windows. I don't like that both Apple and Windows wants to "call home.")
>
> To be fair, I only got into the Apple ecosystem because I wanted to
> upgrade my aging LG G6 and was annoyed to learn that LG was no longer
> going to manufacture Android phones. I'm not a big fan of Samsung (my
> Samsung dryer died prematurely as did my father-in-law's) so I figured
> I'd go with whichever company supported the phone for the longest.
> Unlike most Android manufacturers which top at three years, Apple
> supports its phones for about five. The computers are supported for
> about seven. To me, that means that while the hardware might cost a
> little more, it costs less if you count the years during which the
> hardware will be useful to you.

This little Dell Micro computer I'm using now originally shipped in February
of 2015 (to someone else, not me). I'll probably be using for at least five
to seven more years. It streams HD fine (which is the hardest thing I make
it do). I used a dual core computer until I got this one – it was starting
to squawk a bit when streaming, but it was built (I think) around 2008 or
2009. Linux really is a great way to re-use old computers. Dell business
computers were (are?) well built.

> For a computer purchase, such support is going to be stellar for me
> since I no longer feel any kind of desire to upgrade every two years. As
> a result, I can buy an Apple laptop in say 2025, benefit from a $200
> rebate because I am a teacher which I then use to purchase a three-year
> accidental-damage warranty and know that I will only need to retire the
> machine in 2032. It's a fantastic investment for a guy who is
> considering retiring from gaming entirely (unless my son decides that he
> leaves to play sports video games at which point I'll get a console and
> kick his ass daily).

My kids have both game computers and gaming counsels. I used to play a mean
game of Pong (back in the day). That's about as far as I really got into video
games.

>> And, since I use older hardware and a stable (non-cutting edge) distribution
>> (Linux Mint) Linux is rock solid for me and has been for about 15 or 16 years.
>> "Rock solid" seems to be an attribute of Debian as well, so I might move to
>> LMDE and bypass Ubuntu (though Ubuntu seems pretty solid also and LM
>> bypasses the Snap stuff).
>
> I can't fault Linux for providing a wonderful experience for machines
> which would otherwise end up in the junk pile. Here at work, retired
> machines were loaded with Ubuntu and put the work as workstations in the
> library. I enjoy teaching the kids a bit about Linux when I'm there, in
> particular those who look like they're a little poor and can't afford
> the latest and greatest or who are interested in programming and could
> benefit from the absolute freedom of the Linux platform. For myself and
> co-workers though, Linux is the least interesting option, even though it
> would definitely be a lot better than the Windows 10 they load on the
> cheap plastic Dell laptops they give us. Those laptops are so awful
> (hardware and software-wise) that I insist on bringing in my own
> hardware at my expense.

Adding memory and an SSD to a Dell business computer built in the last 10 or
12 years makes a really Linux nice computer (if you don't need to play
games). Even that 2014 Mac Mini runs Linux really well. To be fair it runs
modern OS X pretty well too. (Monterrey, I haven't moved it up to Ventura,
probably will do so when Monterrey reaches EOL (maybe not). I guess Sonoma
is about to be released.)

[Relf]

Like the homeless, Ukraine/America can't afford walls.