Read geoworks files with windows
PhilK
is it possible to read or convert geoworks files to be read with Windows ?
Thanks
John Howard
Office, and Breadbox Ensemble) have varying capabilities to export their
files (word processing, spreadsheet & database) to other formats which
can be read by Windows and Mac PCs.
Do you have a specific file type and Geos version in mind?
John ;-)
PhilK
i don't have anymore geoworks but only these files.
So i want to read theses files ".000" from windows.
regards
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John Howard
NewDeal Office or Breadbox Ensemble).
At www.breadbox.com you can download our Ensemble Lite. This sample of
Ensemble does include the word processor so you could read those .000
files that are word processor files.
John ;-)
Dominique Vocat
> To read those files you need some version of Geos (Geosworks Ensemble,
> NewDeal Office or Breadbox Ensemble).
>
> At www.breadbox.com you can download our Ensemble Lite. This sample of
> Ensemble does include the word processor so you could read those .000
> files that are word processor files.
>
> John ;-)
Uh, I must have missed this "ensemble lite" downloaded it and it's
sweet! Includes Writer and WebMagik3! Ok, granted it gave me a kr-07
after one page down and page up on the included html file in documents
:-) but still sweet. Now if the download would have been built either as
a windows installable package or (even better) in a thgree 1,44mb disk
version I would have loved it even more... I mean the target audience
often lacks CD-ROM or fast internet connection so...
BTW. does it now run on freedos?
Jens-Michael Gross
>
> Hello,
> is it possible to read or convert geoworks files to be read with Windows ?
There are three ways:
1) open them in their native application and export them to a format of
your liking.
2) open them in their native application and print them into a
PostScript file which you can then convert to a PDF file if you want.
This gives the best result if you just want to view/show them under
Windows.
This should work even with one of the shareware/demo versions of GEOS.
3) The Windows program WordPort can with some limitations convert
geoWrite/Writer files into many other formats.
The '.000' does not indicate any special file format. It indicates that
it is a file for one of the many GEOS applications. What kind of file
(image, text, spreadsheet, whatever) it is, can be only determined from
within GEOS (or with an HEX editor and some inner knowledge of the GEOS
filesystem)
Of course you can ask someone who still has GEOS to do the conversion
for you.
Grossibaer
John Howard
John ;-)
Dominique Vocat wrote:
[snip]
Hans Lindgren
need to use the NTFAT file system dirver if I recall correctly and config
it as it is running under Windows NT,
BR,
Hans
Dominique Vocat
> I have run Ensemble on FreeDOS, and with the right config it runs very well........you
> need to use the NTFAT file system dirver if I recall correctly and config
> it as it is running under Windows NT,
>
> BR,
> Hans
Would you be kind enough to write up the needed changes? Maybe Breadbox
could come up with a included freedos setup all-in-one :-) I for one
would *love* such a thing! Especially a freedos plus ensemble light
package -> entry drug :-).
Dom
John Howard
Any info you can give as to the setup, configuration and version of
FreeDOS would be very much appreciated. I've tried about once every six
months or so (with the latest FD versions) and my problems have been
with the FreeDOS versions of EMM386 and himem (or their equivalents).
On some of my earlier trials I had problems with the FreeDOS versions of
mscdex and getting them to work with a generic CD-ROM driver, but I
think I got that one resolved.
Of course Ensemble doesn't need the whole range of FreeDOS stuff, so
just enough to get Ensemble running and able to access the drives would
be very nice.
John ;-)
Dominique Vocat
> Of course Ensemble doesn't need the whole range of FreeDOS stuff, so
> just enough to get Ensemble running and able to access the drives would
> be very nice.
>
> John ;-)
Ahh, the smell of BreadboxOS :-) a fresh backed standalone Operating
System.... well, I'd love to see that...
Hm, in case the fdisk is somewhat scriptable or sufficiently similar to
the unix tools it should be easy enough to perform the initial stuff
like partitioning etc... (I do similar stuff on the job :-) I'm hired
for our unattended XP installation... sysprep, PXE preboot scirpts linux
stuff etc etc... nice enough job if there is no sassere and similar
nastinesses arround :-) ).
Dom
Hans Lindgren
Well, I have a test PC with FreeDOS, in which I have tested Breadbox Ensemble
4.01. Ensemble with Etherodi ran flawlessly for me. This test PC have been
set a side, but it should be intact. I use it mainly to make FreeDOS bootdisks
for certain tasks. I can, most probably, easily recover the GEOS.INI from
that. I will check tomorrow and email the GEOS.INI to you, and I will also
check what freedos version along with the version of Himem manager. What
I recall the EMM386 does not work with Ensemble. Ensemble should be configured
for Himem.sys, but in the beta 8 there was two different himem managers.
I can't remember which one who worked. You have also to put up FreeDOS as
a 16 bit system. But I will check tomorrow, maybe I can put some time in
it and update with the recent version of FreeDOS and Breadbox Ensemble
4.01.
BR,
Hans
John Howard wrote:
> Hi Hans,
>
> Any info you can give as to the setup, configuration and version of
> FreeDOS would be very much appreciated. I've tried about once every six
> months or so (with the latest FD versions) and my problems have been
> with the FreeDOS versions of EMM386 and himem (or their equivalents).
> On some of my earlier trials I had problems with the FreeDOS versions
of
> mscdex and getting them to work with a generic CD-ROM driver, but I
> think I got that one resolved.
>
> Of course Ensemble doesn't need the whole range of FreeDOS stuff, so
> just enough to get Ensemble running and able to access the drives would
> be very nice.
>
> John ;-)
>
John Howard
With some help from Hans I now have a FreeDOS boot floppy and can run
Ensemble on it. And it runs faster than when running on Win98! For
example, I timed the loading of the GeoCosmos sky view in Ensemble under
W98 and FreeDOS on my old P266 laptop...
Ensemble on Win98 - 25 seconds
Ensemble on FreeDOS - 12 seconds
Thanks Hans!!!!!!!!!!
John ;-)
Ray Kopczynski
Ahh -- The need for speed... :-)
Ray
Dominique Vocat
> Hans has come through nicely for us!!!
>
> With some help from Hans I now have a FreeDOS boot floppy and can run
> Ensemble on it. And it runs faster than when running on Win98! For
> example, I timed the loading of the GeoCosmos sky view in Ensemble under
> W98 and FreeDOS on my old P266 laptop...
> Ensemble on Win98 - 25 seconds
> Ensemble on FreeDOS - 12 seconds
>
> Thanks Hans!!!!!!!!!!
>
> John ;-)
How is memory performance with Skipper etc? I'd love to hear of
improvements... :-)
How about a 4 diskette setup of ensemble light with freedos which can
partition the disk automaticaly? (I might be able to help :-) ).
btw: ensemble light is great but the target computers can't read a 5 mb
file :-) how about splitting it like in the good old days of floppy
installation? Doesn't matter for someone installing from hdd anyway...
oh and how about using GRUB for bootmenu (graphic!), parallel boot into
newdeal based on freedos etc?
Dom
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Jens-Michael Gross
> How about a 4 diskette setup of ensemble light with freedos which can
> partition the disk automaticaly? (I might be able to help :-) ).
>
> btw: ensemble light is great but the target computers can't read a 5 mb
> file :-) how about splitting it like in the good old days of floppy
> installation? Doesn't matter for someone installing from hdd anyway...
>
> oh and how about using GRUB for bootmenu (graphic!), parallel boot into
> newdeal based on freedos etc?
what about a bootable CD which installs a ram-disk with BBE and links
(if present) the usual folders (document/privdata/userdata, 2nd GEOS.INI
etc.) to the HD and/or disk? An out-of-the-CD-drive system for
demonstration purposes or flexible usage on different systems. Would
require a little hardware detection to select the proper INI entries for
the current system, but definitely a nice and useful thing.
Grossibaer
hyubso
microsoft monopolizes the bolted inside the box hard drive in just about
every pc, but no comapny monoplizes the other bootable drives like
cdrom, usb hard drives, usb thumb drives, floppy drives, zip + ls-120
drives. etc etc etc..
it would be great if everyone could have there own personal drive
preloaded with a complete ultra low cost or possible free dos/geos
system that would boot on most any pc.. then there would be no need to
share one person's personal drive with another person..
Dominique Vocat
> yeah, good idea... but you forgot about the cereal boxes!
:-) glad to see you stick to your ideas ;-).
Anyway. Yes that with the Bootable CD was of course the idea behind the
freedos thing etc... I think some rudimentary HW detecion is feasable
even though almost unnecessary if you simply rely on stadart vesa
resulutions. Provide the result as .iso file for anyone interested and
it will spread automatically. Youcould even go as far as to just provide
the .torrent link and the downloads don't even cost you a wooden nickle.
I wonder however about the ensemble light. Is it totaly free? I have not
seen any strings attached. If so, would you at Breadbox consider
including NewBasic? so anyone with some tallend and interest would feel
enticed and one would risk having more apps and games at the end of the day.
Just an idea. Willing to help :-)
Dom
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Hans Lindgren
You are welcome! Did you manage to get the EMS-driver to function, or did you listen to my advice and skipped it? Maybe it can be used with the NOEMS switch?
Dom hinted me about using the UMBPCI, which is at least something, and here is the link to it: http://www.uwe-sieber.de/umbpci_e.html
Well, this does not fully compensates as Ensemble can use some EMS memory to add to the existing base memory............arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhh
BTW, is there anybody in this group who can take a look at the source in the FreeDOS EMM386.EXE to see what is wrong? I have contacted the author, Tom Ehler, but he claims it is an error in Ensemble, and encouraged me to contact Breadbox, but I doubt that the error is in Ensemble, as Ensemble works with every EMS manager I have tested except the FreeDOS one.
The error shows like this: when the EMS-driver is loaded in the CONFIG.SYS, Ensemble loads and the destop shows, but it does not take any keyboard or mouse input, it have hung or freezed or stopped.
Ensemble works with
PC DOS EMM386.EXE
MS DOS EMM386.EXE
DR DOS EMM386.EXE (includes OpenDOS etc)
ROMDOS EMM386.EXE
QEMM (stealthmode off)
386 MAX
Ensemble do NOT work with:
FreeDOS EMM386.EXE
BR,
Hans
Douglas A. Taylor
John Howard <jo...@breadbox.com> wrote:
>Hans has come through nicely for us!!!
>
>With some help from Hans I now have a FreeDOS boot floppy and can run
>Ensemble on it. And it runs faster than when running on Win98! For
>example, I timed the loading of the GeoCosmos sky view in Ensemble under
>W98 and FreeDOS on my old P266 laptop...
> Ensemble on Win98 - 25 seconds
> Ensemble on FreeDOS - 12 seconds
Sooo . . . what's your config.sys and autoexec.bat look like?
Doug
Jens-Michael Gross
> Youcould even go as far as to just provide
> the .torrent link and the downloads don't even cost you a wooden nickle.
Well, what do I do with these .torrent files?
I found a source packed with them, but what to do next? Any idea? Do I
need an unpacking program or what?
Grossibaer
Dominique Vocat
> Dominique Vocat schrieb:
> Well, what do I do with these .torrent files?
> I found a source packed with them, but what to do next? Any idea? Do I
> need an unpacking program or what?
>
> Grossibaer
Well, not much. If you have windows and ie you can just download it and
then using the .torrent file your BitTorrent client will handle all the
download etc (unless you are behind a firewall!). If you think of
publishing something you can report the .torrent to one of the trackers
(website with list of .torrent files) it is similar to ed2k links etc as
it essentially contains hashes for files and BitTorrent is just a
protocol like ftp or http but meant for distributet and load balanced
downloading.
Use google to get the big picture. I kind of suspect that the handling
is not *that* dificult and could also be implemented in GEOS :-).
It is important to understand that although it is remarkably similar to
kazaa or emule it is not intended for distribution of illegal copies.
RedHat for instance provides it's Version 9 via .torrent because that
way it doesn't cost them a nickle to distribute it whereas they pay for
their ftp downloaders. Plus there is no 1-week wait qeue as there is for
ftp downloads :-).
Dom
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Thomas L. Christensen
<nospamhan...@abc.se> wrote:
=== SNIP ===
>QEMM (stealthmode off)
...AND with stealtmode on (ST:M). I use this line on my IBM Thinkpad
365 (with MS-DOS 6.22 and QEMM 7.04)
C:\QEMM\QEMM386.SYS ST:M RAM ARAM=C000-C3FF FR=C400 R:1
I am sure I have also used ST:F, maybe it was on my IBM PS/2 P70 - I
can check it out if anyone is interested.
/Thomas
Hans Lindgren
Well, installing FreeDOS and Ensemble is not easy, I will give you my experiences below and hopefully from that you can make your own FreeDOS/Ensemble combo. I have an idea of making a FreeDOS bootdisk from which you can set up a system from scratch, for the moment that does not seems possible. If you have any comments or corrections, please post it here!
First I downloaded the latest version on FreeDOS, which was Beta9, prerelease 5 and created a bootdisk. Then I booted my PC with that bootdisk, and tried to create a partition, which failed, as the Fdisk tool from FreeDOS did not recognize my disk. Used Windows 98 SE Fdisk to partitioning the disk with a FAT32 partition and it went well. Formatted the disk with FreeDOS Format, which recognized the FAT32 format and added the system files with the /S -switch. Rebooted the system, but it did not appear stable. Removed the partition and created a new FAT 16 partition with my PCDOS 7 and formatted with PCDOS 7s Format. Booted the FreeDOS system and added the system to the hard disk with the SYS command on the diskette. Now the system appeared stable.
Configured the system and added the drivers for CD-ROM from the disk. Tried to install BBX Ensemble 4.01, but no go. Ran into new problems. After investigations, it appeared to be several problems at the same time. First, the CD-ROM support in FreeDOS does not seems to be stable,
ATAPICDD.SYS and SHSUCDX.EXE. Going back to my old Mitsumi driver solved that problem, and then secondly it seems that Sun2000 have made an installation script that smells MS-Windows to me? It asks for the COMSPEC parameters in the form of %COMSPEC% and I get out of memory errors, dos critical error, script errors, when I tried to install. Tried my NDO2000beta and it did install without any problem, and so did also my NDO2000 diskette copy.
Solved this problem, by making an Ensemble installation on my Windows computer and burned it to a CD-ROM, and then copied into my FreeDOS computer. Then I added DOS ODI network support and configured BBX Ensemble for TCP/IP networkning. Now it is up and running!
Next I will present my config.sys and autoexec.bat in FreeDOS, to gether with the necessary changes to GEOS.INI
config.sys:
FILES=120
BUFFERS=20
LASTDRIVE=Z
SWITCHES=/F /N
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DEVICE=C:\DRIVER\HIMEM.EXE
DEVICE=C:\DRIVER\UMBPCI.SYS
SHELLHIGH=C:\COMMAND.COM C:\ /E:1024 /F /MSG /K C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT
DEVICEHIGH=C:\DRIVER\MTMCDAI.SYS /D:CD01
autoexec.bat:
@ECHO OFF
SET TEMP=C:\TEMP
PATH=C:\;C:\FREEDOS;C:\DRIVER;C:\ENSEMBLE
C:\DRIVER\CTMOUSE
LH C:\DRIVER\LSL
LH C:\DRIVER\DM9PCI
LH C:\DRIVER\SHSUCDX /D:CD01
C:\ENSEMBLE\ENSEMBLE.BAT
Necessary changes to GEOS.INI:
[system]
fs = ntfat.geo
PrimaryFSD = ntfat.geo
The EMM386.EXE in FreeDOS is not compatible with ENSEMBLE/GEOS, as a substitute I use the UMBPCI from: http://www.uwe-sieber.de. This is not a EMS driver, it is more of a UMB-loader which loads drivers inte upper memory blocks, but still very useful in this configuration.
BR,
Hans
John Howard
Hans Lindgren wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> You are welcome! Did you manage to get the EMS-driver to function, or
> did you listen to my advice and skipped it? Maybe it can be used with
> the NOEMS switch?
I have not gotten it to work with the EMS driver. At all. so I left it
out and Ensemble runs fine :-)
John ;-)
Hans Lindgren
Try UMBPCI from here, instead: http://www.uwe-sieber.de
Follow the installtion instructions. This is useful when having a CD-ROM in the system, as you can load the drivers into umb.
BR,
Hans
Thomas L. Christensen
<remov...@fabel.dk> wrote:
>I am sure I have also used ST:F, maybe it was on my IBM PS/2 P70 - I
>can check it out if anyone is interested.
>
Yes, ST:F works. I have just set up an old IBM 330 P100 with MS-DOS
and QEMM. In fact, ST:M didn't work unless 4 mem areas was excluded
(from Fxxx and up). ST:F works perfect. I have 634 KB conventional and
33 after loading network drivers, and Breadbox Ensemble runs smoth.
I have also been playing with FreeDos. So far I have not been able to
use QEMM with it - a shame, course it could have been a way to use the
EMS.
/Thomas