S: VEDIT for CP/M-80
Uwe Nass
subject says it all: Does anybody has the
binaries of VEDIT for CP/M-80 or knows where
I can find them? On RLEE's CDROM there are
only the .doc files and the CP/M-86 version.
Thanks in advance,
Uwe.
no....@no.uce.bellatlantic.net
Binaries were never released. VEDIT would be a PC
DOS product for many years after CP/M and may still
be available. So it's copyright is likely still protected
or deserving of inquery.
Allison
CBFalconer
> Uwe Nass <un...@astro.uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>
>> subject says it all: Does anybody has the binaries of VEDIT for
>> CP/M-80 or knows where I can find them? On RLEE's CDROM there
>> are only the .doc files and the CP/M-86 version.
>
> for many years after CP/M and may still be available. So it's
> copyright is likely still protected or deserving of inquery.
I seem to favorably remember using a CP/M version of Vedit. So
either my memory has dropped many bits, or there were binaries out
there.
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Max Scane
"Uwe Nass" <un...@astro.uni-bonn.de> wrote in message
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I enquired with the vendor some time ago. The response was as follows:
"Sorry, but we do not have any old CP/M versions of VEDIT available. We do
not know if we even have archive copies of the software, and then would not
have a method of duplicating CP/M disks."
Steven Hirsch
Then the obvious question would be "That being the case, would you have any
objections to another owner duplicating them for me?".
no....@no.uce.bellatlantic.net
wrote:
>no....@no.uce.bellatlantic.net wrote:
>> Uwe Nass <un...@astro.uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>>
>>> subject says it all: Does anybody has the binaries of VEDIT for
>>> CP/M-80 or knows where I can find them? On RLEE's CDROM there
>>> are only the .doc files and the CP/M-86 version.
>>
>> Binaries were never released. VEDIT would be a PC DOS product
>> for many years after CP/M and may still be available. So it's
>> copyright is likely still protected or deserving of inquery.
>
>I seem to favorably remember using a CP/M version of Vedit. So
>either my memory has dropped many bits, or there were binaries out
>there.
I still use it. Nice visual editor with command line capabilities
matching Teco and the same command set too.
Didn't say binaries may not have been posted but it is product and
as far as I know not released as freeware. For CP/M-80 it might be
worth asking but CP/M-86 and DOS might be different.
Pointer to current product page: http://vedit.com
and one for their history page: http://vedit.com/20Years.htm
Allison
no....@no.uce.bellatlantic.net
wrote:
Get permission and post it and there are plenty of people who can
duplicate it.
Allison
Bill Gunshannon
CBFalconer <cbfal...@yahoo.com> writes:
> no....@no.uce.bellatlantic.net wrote:
>> Uwe Nass <un...@astro.uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>>
>>> subject says it all: Does anybody has the binaries of VEDIT for
>>> CP/M-80 or knows where I can find them? On RLEE's CDROM there
>>> are only the .doc files and the CP/M-86 version.
>>
>> Binaries were never released. VEDIT would be a PC DOS product
>> for many years after CP/M and may still be available. So it's
>> copyright is likely still protected or deserving of inquery.
>
> I seem to favorably remember using a CP/M version of Vedit. So
> either my memory has dropped many bits, or there were binaries out
> there.
I think your right. I think I have a copy that came with my Pickles&Trout
CPM many years ago. But, as has been stated elsewhere in this thread it
is still copyrighted material and can not be freely distributed wether
the owner still sells it or not.
bill
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Bill Gunshannon
Do you still remember who you spoke with? Why not see if they will grant
permission for the 8080/Z80 version to be distributed?
glen herrmannsfeldt
(snip)
> I still use it. Nice visual editor with command line capabilities
> matching Teco and the same command set too.
Did anyone here ever use stevie on any system? It was originally
a port of vi to the Atari ST (ST Editor for VI Enthusiasts)
In the OS/2 1.0 days I ported it as a bound executable.
(That can be run on OS/2 or MSDOS.)
It is fairly small and would probably fit in CP/M.
-- glen
Fritz Chwolka
Even I have only the '86 version here.
http://oldcomputers.dyndns.org/public/pub/program/16bit/vedit+/info.html
http://oldcomputers.dyndns.org/public/pub/program/16bit/vedit+/readme.txt
You should try to use ZDE or VDE as they are even useable or use ws4.-)
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Greetings
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JackRubin
>
> http://oldcomputers.dyndns.org/public/pub/program/16bit/vedit+/info.html
> Fritz Chwolka
The readme file for Vedit86 on Fritz' site sounds very "corporate", as
if this was an official release to the public domain. I still have
have the distribution disk for Vedit 3.31 and a backup disk labeled "8
bit Vedit - Vedit 1.38d, Vedit Plus 2.31b" as well as the original
invoice showing an upgrade to the 1.38product. I also have the
distribution disk for CP/M-86 Concurrent Vedit 1.38. In addition, I
have invoices for MSDOS/IBM-PC memory mapped and CRT versions but I
can't find binaries.
I will email Ted Green tomorrow to followup on permission to release
these versions. If the CP/M-86 version was truly released by Vedit, I
can't imagine that he won't be willing to release the CP/M versions as
well.
If someone has already re-initiated contact with Ted for this purpose,
please let me know ASAP so we won't be duplicating efforts.
Jack
CBFalconer
>> CP/M-80 or knows where I can find them? On RLEE's CDROM there are
>> only the .doc files and the CP/M-86 version.
>
> follows:
>
> "Sorry, but we do not have any old CP/M versions of VEDIT
> available. We do not know if we even have archive copies of
> the software, and then would not have a method of duplicating
> CP/M disks."
>From this thread there are binaries out there. All that is really
needed is a release from Vedit to allow their distribution (for
CP/M 80).
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Try the download section.
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CJE Culver
> The readme file for Vedit86 on Fritz' site sounds very "corporate",
It it posted together with the binaries for CP/M-86 and says: "It is
made freely available on an "As-is" basis."
As you said, since they're releasing the CP/M-86 version, it would seem
likely they wouldn't have a problem with distributing the CP/M-80
version as well, but it's best to check. Perhaps someone could even mail
Ted a copy :-)
CJ
Max Scane
"Bill Gunshannon" <bill...@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message
news:62ior6F...@mid.individual.net...
> In article <U_Rwj.19435$421....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
<snip>
> Do you still remember who you spoke with? Why not see if they will grant
> permission for the 8080/Z80 version to be distributed?
>
> bill
Ok, I have some very good news.
I managed to contact Ted Green and he has kindly agreed to allow free
sharing of existing copies of Vedit for cp/m. This is as long as it for
non-commercial use.
Ted has asked me to mention that the "current" legalese will be available at
http://www.vedit.com/cpm, and while the details might change over time, the
basic concept that the CP/M versions of VEDIT can now be freely shared for
non-commercial purposes, will never be rescinded.
I have reproduced the full details below:
------------------------------------------------------------
Greenview Data Inc. (formerly CompuView Products, Inc.) of Ann Arbor,
Michigan and Theodore Green, the copyright holders to the VEDIT (R) computer
software, maintain their copyright, but as of Jan. 01, 2008 allow the CP/M
and CP/M-86 versions of VEDIT to be freely shared without licensing or
royalty fees between individuals and organizations for non-commercial
purposes, as long as the software's copyright messages are not altered or
removed and the software is not substantially altered. For this purpose,
"non-commercial" means that the sharing party will not receive any
compensation for the software, and that the software is not to be included
or bundled in any commercial product, software, book, electronic media or
other distribution method.
Specifically the VEDIT software owners allow the CP/M and CP/M-86 versions
to be placed on any website for free downloading if the following notice is
included:
By downloading this obsolete, unsupported software, to be used only "as-is"
for non-commercial purposes, you agree to the following terms. You further
agree that it is the complete and exclusive statement of the Agreement
between us which supersedes any proposal or prior agreement, oral or
written, or any other communications between us relating to the licensing or
use of this software.
* The VEDIT software is copyright (R) Greenview Data, Inc. (formerly
CompuView Products, Inc.) and Theodore Green. Current software and history
is available at http://www.vedit.com. All copies or modifications must
include Greenview's copyright notice. Title to the ownership of the
software, whether in original, partial or modified form, shall at all times
remain with Greenview.
* DISCLAIMER: THIS IS OBSOLETE, UNSUPPORTED SOFTWARE TO BE USED "AS-IS" FOR
EVALUATION AND HOBBY PURPOSES ONLY. THE SOFTWARE MAY HAVE BEEN ALTERED SINCE
ITS ORIGINAL RELEASE AND TESTING. ASSUME THAT THE SOFTWARE MAY CRASH,
CORRUPT FILES OR DAMAGE YOUR COMPUTER.
GREENVIEW DATA, INC AND THEODORE GREEN MAKE NO CLAIMS OR WARRANTIES WITH
RESPECT TO THE SOFTWARE AND SPECIFICALLY DISCLAIM ANY IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF
MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. IN NO EVENT WILL
GREENVIEW DATA, INC. OR THEODORE GREEN BE LIABLE FOR ANY LOST PROFITS, LOST
SAVINGS OR OTHER INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT
LIMITED TO LOST DATA OR DAMAGED EQUIPMENT. ANY STATED OR EXPRESS WARRANTIES
ARE IN LIEU OF ALL OBLIGATIONS OR LIABILITY FOR ANY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT
NOT LIMITED TO SPECIAL, INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL, ARISING OUT OF OR IN
CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THE SOFTWARE LICENSED HEREUNDER.
* The CP/M and CP/M-86 versions of VEDIT may be freely shared without
licensing or royalty fees between individuals and organizations for
non-commercial purposes, as long as the software's copyright messages are
not altered or removed and the software is not substantially altered. For
this purpose, "non-commercial" means that the sharing party will not receive
any compensation for the software, and that the software is not to be
included or bundled in any commercial product, software, book, electronic
media or other distribution method.
* The VEDIT software owners allow the CP/M and CP/M-86 versions to be placed
on any website for free downloading if a proper notification and disclaimer
is included on the website. The proper notification can be found at:
http://www.vedit.com/cpm.htm
------------------------------------------------------------
Uwe Nass
> "Bill Gunshannon" <bill...@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message
> news:62ior6F...@mid.individual.net...
>> In article <U_Rwj.19435$421....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> <snip>
>> Do you still remember who you spoke with? Why not see if they will grant
>> permission for the 8080/Z80 version to be distributed?
>>
>> bill
>
> Ok, I have some very good news.
>
> I managed to contact Ted Green and he has kindly agreed to allow free
> sharing of existing copies of Vedit for cp/m. This is as long as it for
> non-commercial use.
>
> Ted has asked me to mention that the "current" legalese will be available at
> http://www.vedit.com/cpm, and while the details might change over time, the
> basic concept that the CP/M versions of VEDIT can now be freely shared for
> non-commercial purposes, will never be rescinded.
>
>
I found the "current" legalese at http://www.vedit.com/cpm.htm
but no software. Any hints?
Regards and thanks for your efforts,
Uwe.
Max Scane
Hi Uwe, that is correct. Ted no longer has any copies of Vedit for cp/m
available on the web site. However he have given permission for anyone who
does have a copy to freely and legally share it with others who may be
interested, subject to the conditions laid out at
http://www.vedit.com/cpm.htm.
I think Alison had offered to provide a copy if permission was obtained.
Others may be able to assist as well.
Lets keep our fingers crossed!
Steven Hirsch
> "Bill Gunshannon" <bill...@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message
> Ok, I have some very good news.
>
> I managed to contact Ted Green and he has kindly agreed to allow free
> sharing of existing copies of Vedit for cp/m. This is as long as it for
> non-commercial use.
If no one else comes up with it, I have Vedit Plus 2.33b for CP/M. This is a
generic version on two 8" SSSD diskettes.
Steve
no....@no.uce.bellatlantic.net
wrote:
Thats way newer than any I have. I stopped with either 1.5 or 1.6.
However I can supply them electronically to any one that can archive
them.
What more important than the binaries are the related config files
and the manual. I can't (I can but way too slowly) scan the manual
and it's really needed, most importantly the sections on
configuration. Vedit was configurable for any terminal (or memory
mapped video) and what keys do what were assignable
so any random copy of Vedit will have the last assignemnt and
may not work for a given user.
It might be good to supply Ted with a copy of both the 8080/z0
and 8086 versions.
Allison
>
>Steve
Uwe Nass
Hi Steve, Allison
please send your versions to Gene Buckle's site:
Allison, if possible add a scanned version of the
documentation you have!
Thanks a lot,
Uwe.
PS: Steve, if you have some teledisk images of your
version, send it to me! I can read (and write)
8" SSSD disks.
Dave Dunfield
>> > I managed to contact Ted Green and he has kindly agreed to allow free
>> > sharing of existing copies of Vedit for cp/m. This is as long as it for
>> > non-commercial use.
>> >
>> > Ted has asked me to mention that the "current" legalese will be
>available at
>> > http://www.vedit.com/cpm, and while the details might change over time,
>available on the web site. However he have given permission for anyone who
>does have a copy to freely and legally share it with others who may be
>interested, subject to the conditions laid out at
>http://www.vedit.com/cpm.htm.
I'll be happy to make disk images available in the applications area of
my site if anyone can send them.
Dave
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Bill Gunshannon
"Max Scane" <msc...@ns-bigpond.com> writes:
>
> "Bill Gunshannon" <bill...@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message
> news:62ior6F...@mid.individual.net...
>> In article <U_Rwj.19435$421....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> <snip>
>> Do you still remember who you spoke with? Why not see if they will grant
>> permission for the 8080/Z80 version to be distributed?
>>
>> bill
>
> Ok, I have some very good news.
>
> I managed to contact Ted Green and he has kindly agreed to allow free
> sharing of existing copies of Vedit for cp/m. This is as long as it for
> non-commercial use.
>
> Ted has asked me to mention that the "current" legalese will be available at
> http://www.vedit.com/cpm, and while the details might change over time, the
> basic concept that the CP/M versions of VEDIT can now be freely shared for
> non-commercial purposes, will never be rescinded.
>
OK, that sounds like good news. I don't know if anyone else has said
they have a copy but I will look for mine (tonite if I get the chance
otherwise it will have to wait til next week as I am away this weekend.)
I suppose putting it up on a website would be Ok as the onus for obeying
the rules is on the user and not on the provider. Looks like time to
create a CP/M section for my web page.
Barry Watzman
have a good scanner with an ADF.
If it's bound, the manual would have to be destroyed to enable good
quality scanning.
Barry Watzman
Wat...@neo.rr.com
no....@no.uce.bellatlantic.net
wrote:
>Steven Hirsch wrote:
>> Max Scane wrote:
>>> "Bill Gunshannon" <bill...@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message
>>
>>> Ok, I have some very good news.
>>>
>>> I managed to contact Ted Green and he has kindly agreed to allow free
>>> sharing of existing copies of Vedit for cp/m. This is as long as it for
>>> non-commercial use.
>>
>> If no one else comes up with it, I have Vedit Plus 2.33b for CP/M. This
>> is a generic version on two 8" SSSD diskettes.
>>
>> Steve
>
>Hi Steve, Allison
>
> please send your versions to Gene Buckle's site:
>
> http://www.retroarchive.org/
>
First see what Dave has already put up as a Disk image for NS*
emulator with vedit exists.
> Allison, if possible add a scanned version of the
>documentation you have!
None scanned, at minutes per page I'm not about to. I only have the
one bound copy and I'm not letting go of it.
IF Daves images are differnt then I'll put up mine.
Allison
Steven Hirsch
> Hi Steve, Allison
>
> please send your versions to Gene Buckle's site:
>
> http://www.retroarchive.org/
I will try to get to this over the weekend. The documentation is in one of
those small form-factor 3-ring binders. It's buried in the attic and since
the ambient temperature up there is approx. -5 degrees F at the moment this is
going to wait for warmer weather :-).
Reading the disks is not a problem. I'll tarball everything and upload it.
Steven Hirsch
> IF the manual is 8.5" x 11" loose-leaf, I will scan it to a PDF file. I
> have a good scanner with an ADF.
Barry,
Can you handle the small 3-ring form-factor (like the original IBM PC docs)?
Bill Gunshannon
Just an update. While I found all my CP/M documentation (all bound and
so not suitable for scanning) I was not able to find my original P&T disks.
I will keep looking but I am sure others will find copies of Vedit before
I have the time to.
Barry Watzman
successful. I could try it.
Steven Hirsch
> Hi Steve, Allison
>
> please send your versions to Gene Buckle's site:
>
> http://www.retroarchive.org/
I just sent the tarballs to Gene Buckle's e-mail submission address. If
anyone is in a real tear, contact me privately and I'll mail them to you.
I'm going to look for the manuals next. They are in small form-factor 3-ring
binders of the type popularized by IBM for the PC. There's no way I'm
interested in scanning them myself and I will be VERY fussy about who I'll
consider sending them to for this purpose.
Steve
Axel Berger
>If it's bound, the manual would have to be destroyed to enable good
>quality scanning.
Not necessarily. I have a so called "book scanner" that does not
require you to open a manual fully flat but only to a right angle. I
have already done several books and get about 200 pages per hour while
listening to an interesting (taped) radio programme.
Axel