OAK Software Repository
Arobase, Salle multimédia
We discontinued support for the OAK archive a couple years ago and have no
plans of resurrecting it. The issue is mainly one of support
- unfortunately, we simply don't have the staff or budget to support the
OAK resource, especially given the new budget realities in the state of
Michigan.
I will forward your email to a few other people in our area, who may be
able to point you towards alternate resources for CP/M software.
Thanks, -- JC
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John Coughlin - Lead Web App Developer - Oakland University, Rochester MI
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> >Subject: Message From OU WebSite - Contact Us
> >Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 09:49:12 -0400
> >Importance: Normal
> >
> >Name:Mr Roche, France About:Question
> >Message:What has become the "OAK Software Repository"? When will you put
> >it back online? It was used by people all over the world. The lack of
such
> >a World-Wide Web site hosting CP/M software is complained very often in
> >the comp.os.cpm Newsgroup (which is triving: new software is found almost
> >every month...). Yours Sincerely, Mr Roche, France
Dosius
It's unfortunate that there's no big *growing* FTP archive for CP/M
stuff anymore, like Asimov for the Apple ][ or Simtel for
DOS/Windows...
I wish I had the hardware and bandwidth to set up such a site. I do
roll a program here or there for CP/M-86 or even CP/M-80. I'd like to
get the word out, and a Geocities page is not the place to do it.
O for a cable modem.
-uso.
A>VOL
You Eediot!
A>_
Exegete
I can't imagine there would be that much traffic.
And I do have DSL, but I can have a lot of space on my ISP's hard drive
Would I need to borrow the WillowCreek (?) CD to get started?
Roy
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Anthony
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Exegete
another ;-)
Roy
Dosius
> Walnut, Willow, when you haven't had enough sleep one tree looks like
> another ;-)
>
> Roy
Whatever the case may be, there's a mirror of it online already at
http://www.retroarchive.org/cpm/cdrom/ ;)
-uso.
A>ver
VER?
A>_
Mark
it www.pdsl.co.uk
Even though there's no Oak Archive any more, I think it's true to say that
there are a number sites with a growing repository of the remaining CP/M
software.
Mark
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Hector Peraza
: Hello Mr Roche...
Check out the following links:
http://custom.lab.unb.br/pub/emulators/cpm/cpm/
http://custom.lab.unb.br/pub/emulators/cpm/cpmug/
http://custom.lab.unb.br/pub/emulators/cpm/zsys/
The first one holds the complete former OAK Software Repository. I burned
a CD with the contents of it, just in case...
Regards,
Hector.
Arobase, Salle multimédia
I was wondering who would, in 2003, hosts
some CP/M stuff?
I found the following address:
Department of Mechanical Engineering and Mechatronics
Graco - Automation and Control Group
University of Brasilia
(This explains the "br" in the URL: BRasil)
So, a Brasilian University can do what
no American university can do...
Interesting! (To say the least...)
Yours Sincerely,
"French Luser"
Herbert R Johnson remove ZZZ's from address
*>
*>We discontinued support for the OAK archive a couple years ago and have no
*>plans of resurrecting it. The issue is mainly one of support...
*>John Coughlin - Lead Web App Developer - Oakland University, Rochester MI
*>
*>> >Subject: Message From OU WebSite - Contact Us
*>> >Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 09:49:12 -0400
*>> >Importance: Normal
*>> >
*>> >Name:Mr Roche, France About:Question
*>> >Message:What has become the "OAK Software Repository"? When will you put
*>> >it back online?
Thanks to Mr. Roche for informing us on this situation. A Google search for
"Oak archive mirror CP/M" revealed to me the following site:
ftp://ftp.mayn.de/pub/cpm/ - mirror of Oak CP/M archive
mayn.de Web page does not mention CP/M
The corresponding Web site lists MS-DOS and UNIX archives but does not
list CP/M archives. Nevertheless via FTP the link above "works" and
there seem to be some ZIP files there. I'll leave it to other to determine
if the archive is complete and mirrors what was on Oakland's site.
I did not find other mirrors for the Oakland archives for CP/M but it
is possible there are more, Google returned a lot of defunct mirrors
for Oakland's CP/M archive. There are MANY CP/M sites with lists of Web
pointers, some of which go back to 1995, which need updating in this
regard as well as having other obselete links.
Herb Johnson
Herbert R. Johnson voice 609-771-1503, New Jersey USA
<a href="http://njcc.com/~hjohnson" link to my web site</a>
email address: hjoh...@njccZZZ.com <-- REMOVE Z's
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S-100 IMSAI Altair type computers, drives, manuals, parts from "Dr. S-100"
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Michael C Finn
<hjoh...@ZZZnjcc.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks to Mr. Roche for informing us on this situation. A
Google search for
> "Oak archive mirror CP/M" revealed to me the following
site:
>
> ftp://ftp.mayn.de/pub/cpm/ - mirror of Oak CP/M archive
> mayn.de Web page does not
mention CP/M
>
> The corresponding Web site lists MS-DOS and UNIX archives
but does not
> list CP/M archives. Nevertheless via FTP the link above
"works" and
> there seem to be some ZIP files there. I'll leave it to
other to determine
> if the archive is complete and mirrors what was on
Oakland's site.
>
> I did not find other mirrors for the Oakland archives for
CP/M but it
> is possible there are more, Google returned a lot of
defunct mirrors
> for Oakland's CP/M archive. There are MANY CP/M sites with
lists of Web
> pointers, some of which go back to 1995, which need
updating in this
> regard as well as having other obselete links.
I visited http://web.archive.org/ to see if the Oakland
repository was saved intact by the Internet Archive Library
Project.
I tried a search there and it appears the Internet Archive
project captured several snapshots of the Oak CP/M archive.
The last snapshot can be found at:
http://web.archive.org/web/20000622200258/http://oak.oakland
.edu/oak/cpm/index-cpm-pre.html
I forget when the Walnut Creek CD was made. There may be
some things in the last snapshot of Oak that came in after
the CP/M CD was manufactured.
Don Maslin
: "Herbert R Johnson remove ZZZ's from address"
: http://web.archive.org/web/20000622200258/http://oak.oakland
: .edu/oak/cpm/index-cpm-pre.html
November 1994.
- don
Charles Richmond
>
> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...]
>
> I visited http://web.archive.org/ to see if the Oakland
> repository was saved intact by the Internet Archive Library
> Project.
>
> I tried a search there and it appears the Internet Archive
> project captured several snapshots of the Oak CP/M archive.
>
> The last snapshot can be found at:
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20000622200258/http://oak.oakland
> .edu/oak/cpm/index-cpm-pre.html
>
> I forget when the Walnut Creek CD was made. There may be
> some things in the last snapshot of Oak that came in after
> the CP/M CD was manufactured.
>
CP/M Archives contained directories *specifically* for the
Zenith Z-100. I do *not* seem to find these directories at
any of the Oak mirrors mentioned... Does anyone know what
became of these files???
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Gaby Chaudry
> I may be really mixed up here...but I thought that the Oak
> CP/M Archives contained directories *specifically* for the
> Zenith Z-100. I do *not* seem to find these directories at
> any of the Oak mirrors mentioned... Does anyone know what
> became of these files???
Mmmh, I'm not sure if they are on ftp.mayn.de. You better have a look
yourself:
ftp://ftp.mayn.de/pub/cpm/
As for traffic: Somebody wrote that you can't expect much traffic for
a CP/M archive. If a couple of GB/month aren't much, then you're
right.... ;)
Bye, Gaby
--
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http://www.gaby.de
mailto:ga...@gaby.de if you like to get an answer
primo
>Hi!
>
>> I may be really mixed up here...but I thought that the Oak
>> CP/M Archives contained directories *specifically* for the
>> Zenith Z-100. I do *not* seem to find these directories at
>> any of the Oak mirrors mentioned... Does anyone know what
>> became of these files???
>
>Mmmh, I'm not sure if they are on ftp.mayn.de. You better have a look
>yourself:
>ftp://ftp.mayn.de/pub/cpm/
>
>As for traffic: Somebody wrote that you can't expect much traffic for
>a CP/M archive. If a couple of GB/month aren't much, then you're
>right.... ;)
>
>Bye, Gaby
In the age of dsl and cablemodems a couple of GB a month is
chickenfeed. I pull almost that much a day in usenet binaries, and
that is just me. A casual user could easily source that much with a
file sharing program like winmx or limewire.
Aren't we lucky that cp/m was so limited in memory, it was a rare
program that even took up a full DSDD 8 in disk. I have my Walnut
Creek cd and everything else that I have been able to scrounge, even
so I doubt all the floppys I have would fill even a second cd.
CPMUG and SIGM archives are readily available, what other archives
like the Osborne ug are out there?
Gaby Chaudry
> In the age of dsl and cablemodems a couple of GB a month is
> chickenfeed. I pull almost that much a day in usenet binaries, and
> that is just me. A casual user could easily source that much with a
> file sharing program like winmx or limewire.
Well, normally that amount of traffic is not for free, most of all if
its upwards (i.e. when you sent data or people download from your
server).
> CPMUG and SIGM archives are readily available, what other archives
> like the Osborne ug are out there?
E.g. the ZNODE51 at http://www.znode51.de/indexe.htm
Best wishes
Terry Yager
Hector Peraza <per...@uia.ua.ac.be> wrote in message
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> "Arobase, Salle multimédia" <salle....@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> : Hello Mr Roche...
>
> : We discontinued support for the OAK archive a couple years ago and have
no
>
>
> a CD with the contents of it, just in case...
>
> Regards,
> Hector.
Hello Hector. Are you planning to share your cd with others on this group?
If so, how much will you charge for a copy?
--T
Jam the computer...trash every lethal machine in the land!
--Timothy Leary
CBFalconer
>
... snip ...
>
> > CPMUG and SIGM archives are readily available, what other
> > archives like the Osborne ug are out there?
>
> E.g. the ZNODE51 at http://www.znode51.de/indexe.htm
I tried to access some things from there, but delivery of .com
files is MIME misconfigured as text, so the files arrive fouled.
I could not access it with ftp, nor through your site.
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Gaby Chaudry
> > E.g. the ZNODE51 at http://www.znode51.de/indexe.htm
>
> I tried to access some things from there, but delivery of .com
> files is MIME misconfigured as text, so the files arrive fouled.
> I could not access it with ftp, nor through your site.
FTP URL is
ftp://ftp.gaby.de/pub/cpm/znode51/
You can also access it via an ftp program like WS_FTP (URL gaby.de,
anonymous login), if the problem is caused by your browser.
CBFalconer
>
> > > E.g. the ZNODE51 at http://www.znode51.de/indexe.htm
> >
> > I tried to access some things from there, but delivery of .com
> > files is MIME misconfigured as text, so the files arrive fouled.
> > I could not access it with ftp, nor through your site.
>
> FTP URL is
> ftp://ftp.gaby.de/pub/cpm/znode51/
>
> You can also access it via an ftp program like WS_FTP (URL gaby.de,
> anonymous login), if the problem is caused by your browser.
I shall try that address later. The problem is not the browser,
which is doing what it was told. The problem is the MIME
classification put on .COM files by the sender, which claims them
to be text. This calls all 0x0a bytes to be converted to 0x0a
0x0d sequences, and is irreversable in general.
Stijn Wolters
[...]
> As for traffic: Somebody wrote that you can't expect much traffic for
> a CP/M archive. If a couple of GB/month aren't much, then you're
> right.... ;)
Well, a couple of Gb/month isn't much these days, but for CP/M software
it is because most packages are relatively small. So that much traffic
means CP/M is still "alive" :-).
Regards,
Stijn Wolters.
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Bill Marcum
<cbfal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Gaby Chaudry wrote:
>>
>> > > E.g. the ZNODE51 at http://www.znode51.de/indexe.htm
>> >
>> > I tried to access some things from there, but delivery of .com
>> > files is MIME misconfigured as text, so the files arrive fouled.
>> > I could not access it with ftp, nor through your site.
>>
>> FTP URL is
>> ftp://ftp.gaby.de/pub/cpm/znode51/
>>
>> You can also access it via an ftp program like WS_FTP (URL gaby.de,
>> anonymous login), if the problem is caused by your browser.
>
> I shall try that address later. The problem is not the browser,
> which is doing what it was told. The problem is the MIME
> classification put on .COM files by the sender, which claims them
> to be text. This calls all 0x0a bytes to be converted to 0x0a
> 0x0d sequences, and is irreversable in general.
>
converted during upload, ftp in binary mode should get them.
--
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Don Maslin
: Michael C Finn wrote:
:>
:> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...]
:>
:> I visited http://web.archive.org/ to see if the Oakland
:> repository was saved intact by the Internet Archive Library
:> Project.
:>
:> I tried a search there and it appears the Internet Archive
:> project captured several snapshots of the Oak CP/M archive.
:>
:> The last snapshot can be found at:
:>
:> http://web.archive.org/web/20000622200258/http://oak.oakland
:> .edu/oak/cpm/index-cpm-pre.html
:>
:> I forget when the Walnut Creek CD was made. There may be
:> some things in the last snapshot of Oak that came in after
:> the CP/M CD was manufactured.
:>
: I may be really mixed up here...but I thought that the Oak
: CP/M Archives contained directories *specifically* for the
: Zenith Z-100. I do *not* seem to find these directories at
: any of the Oak mirrors mentioned... Does anyone know what
: became of these files???
You are quite correct. Their files were divided into appropriate
directories that covered:
MISC.LST
PC-BLUE.LST
SIGM.LST
HZ100.LST
ZSYS.LST
CPMUG.CAT
OAKCPM.LST
SIMDOS.LST
But whether they are currently available and accessable I do not
know.
- don
: --
Terry Yager
Are we looking at the same cdrom? Mine has the following directories (off
the root).
_bbs
Beehive
Commodor
Cpm
Cpmhelp
Cpminfo
Demon
Docs
Emulator
Enterprs
Fog
Jsage
Kaypro
Kildall
Lambda
Mbug
Osborne
Simtel
Starlet
Utils
Zsys
But there is nothing about oak.oakland.edu. Could you point me to where the
Oakland repository is to be found? My cd is titled CP/M November 1994.
--T
Jam the computer...trash every lethal machine in the land!
--Timothy Leary
Don Maslin <do...@crash.cts.com> wrote in message
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Al Kossow
<do...@crash.cts.com> wrote:
> You are quite correct. Their files were divided into appropriate
> directories that covered:
>
> MISC.LST
> PC-BLUE.LST
> SIGM.LST
> HZ100.LST
> ZSYS.LST
> CPMUG.CAT
> OAKCPM.LST
> SIMDOS.LST
>
> But whether they are currently available and accessable I do not
> know.
I found a few of these on a backup tape today. I've placed
them at www.spies.com/aek/cpm as tar files and will leave them
up for a week or two.
Don Maslin
: Hello Don,
: Are we looking at the same cdrom? Mine has the following directories (off
: the root).
Terry, I was looking at a directory list that I made from accessing
the oak.oakland site a number of years ago, not a CDROM. The oak
repository is non existant now as far as I know. The CP/M portion
seems to be mirrored in a couple of locations as were mentioned in
the comp.os.cpm newsgroup which is a recent and pleasant revelation
to me. I am unaware of any of the other 'directories' being mirrored
presently.
- don
: _bbs
Gaby Chaudry
> >> FTP URL is
> >> ftp://ftp.gaby.de/pub/cpm/znode51/
> >>
> >> You can also access it via an ftp program like WS_FTP (URL gaby.de,
> >> anonymous login), if the problem is caused by your browser.
> >
> > I shall try that address later. The problem is not the browser,
> > which is doing what it was told. The problem is the MIME
> > classification put on .COM files by the sender, which claims them
> > to be text. This calls all 0x0a bytes to be converted to 0x0a
> > 0x0d sequences, and is irreversable in general.
> >
> An ftp program doesn't care about MIME types. Unless the files were
> converted during upload, ftp in binary mode should get them.
I always upload files in binary mode, therefore the problem should be
caused by the browser preferences.
Best regards
CBFalconer
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> > >> FTP URL is
> > >> ftp://ftp.gaby.de/pub/cpm/znode51/
> > >>
> > >> You can also access it via an ftp program like WS_FTP (URL gaby.de,
> > >> anonymous login), if the problem is caused by your browser.
> > >
> > > I shall try that address later. The problem is not the browser,
> > > which is doing what it was told. The problem is the MIME
> > > classification put on .COM files by the sender, which claims them
> > > to be text. This calls all 0x0a bytes to be converted to 0x0a
> > > 0x0d sequences, and is irreversable in general.
> > >
> > An ftp program doesn't care about MIME types. Unless the files were
> > converted during upload, ftp in binary mode should get them.
>
> I always upload files in binary mode, therefore the problem should be
> caused by the browser preferences.
That's fine, but the http server attaches a MIME type to
everything it delivers. If it describes text the remote browser
will do as it is told and convert line endings. Unless it is a
Microsloth browser, which ignores standards.
ftp is a different matter, because the downloader has control over
the format, and he better be right.
john C. Ellingboe
I tried a download of a number of the files at
http://web.archive.org/web/20000622200258/http://oak.oakland.edu/oak/cpm/*
and found that they were not to be trusted... When you notice a
significant size difference on many files and when you view then
they are html, you get a bad feeling. That was especially when a
.com file of the wrong size could be viewed and it was an html
file...
--
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Herbert R Johnson remove ZZZ's from address
*>: Michael C Finn wrote:
*>:>
*>:> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...]
*>:>
*>:> I visited http://web.archive.org/ to see if the Oakland
*>:> repository was saved intact by the Internet Archive Library
*>:> Project.
*>:>
*>:> I tried a search there and it appears the Internet Archive
*>:> project captured several snapshots of the Oak CP/M archive.
*>:>
I checked that "snapshot" on 4/21/03. Unfortunately many of
the actual FILES are not archived. What is archived are the HTML
files and links to other files, down to SOME but not ALL the CP/M
files. After accessing several file links, my initial (but not necessarily
CORRECT) impression is that CP/M files above about 40Kbytes were
not "captured" by the Internet Archive, although many smaller files
were. And I did not check the integrity of those captured files.
According to the posted terms of use of the Internet Archive, it is
essentially a scholarly attempt to preserve some amount of Internet
history as sites go offline. Intended use is for scholarship and
noncommercial personal use. My impression is that they do not claim
completeness or accuracy in their work. (Let's not have a contentious
thread about this, their what and why and how is really theirs to
consider, not comp.os.cpm's).
*>:> I forget when the Walnut Creek CD was made. There may be
*>:> some things in the last snapshot of Oak that came in after
*>:> the CP/M CD was manufactured.
*>:>
*>: I may be really mixed up here...but I thought that the Oak
*>: CP/M Archives contained directories *specifically* for the
*>: Zenith Z-100. I do *not* seem to find these directories at
*>: any of the Oak mirrors mentioned... Does anyone know what
*>: became of these files???
*>
There is at least one on-line "image" of the Walnut Creek CP/M CD-ROM.
I checked that image against the INternet Archive's list of directories
(not every file!) from the Oakland OAK CP/M archive. The Walnut Creek
CD-ROM includes a directory which has MOST of the OAK directories in
it. In particular, Walnut Creek has combined several OAK similar
directories under one directory. For instance several BBS directories
for OAK are under one "bbs" directory for Walnut Creek. I found several
occasions of this kind of reorganization. As regards the above
question about Z-100, one of the directories is "zenith".
One other comment: it may be that the Walnut Creek CD-ROM does not
have "commercial" software from the Oakland site. Comments made to me
at the time the Walnut Creek CD-ROM was in review suggest that to me.
Also some of the directories I could not find have names which hint
at particular systems or software packages.
I did all this with on-line resources, I do not have either the OAK archives
or the Walnut Creek CD-ROM. Can someone with BOTH resources do a comparison
to see if the OAK CP/M archive is contained within the Walnut Creek CD-ROM?
It would save a lot of fuss of trying to "revive" the OAK archive if
in fact it is already preserved via the Walnut Creek CD-ROM. I believe
at this point there is no COMPLETE and EXACTLY REPLICATED "mirror" of
the Oakland OAK CP/M archive on the Web at this time. But my search
was cursory and I may be wrong. Likewise I believe there is no offer
currently online for a CD-ROM of the Oakland site, at least the CP/M
part of the site - but that would be moot if the Walnut Creek CD-ROM
contains content from Oakland's site.
Links to the currently on-line items mentioned in this message can be
found in previous messages in this thread (in comp.os.cpm), I won't
repeat them. Or a Google search will find these and other relevant sites.
Jonathan Graham Harston
primo <c...@c.com> wrote:
> CPMUG and SIGM archives are readily available, what other archives
> like the Osborne ug are out there?
postings, as comp.os.cpm was in those days. Most of them are extracted
from the archives on the Walnut Creek CD, which run from 1980 to 1993.
Check out http://www.mdfs.net/Archives/info-cpm
At the moment I'm working on threading the messages, which is a bit fiddly
as many of the early threads didn't have referencer header lines, and a
lot of threads were actually new posts with slightly different subject
lines.
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Don Maslin
On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Herbert R Johnson remove ZZZ's from address wrote:
> In article <_H4pa.6502$2x2.3...@dca1-nnrp1.news.algx.net>, you wrote:
> *>Terry Yager <tyg...@chartermi.net> wrote:
> *>: Hello Don,
> *>: Are we looking at the same cdrom? Mine has the following directories (off
> *>: the root).
> *>
> *>Terry, I was looking at a directory list that I made from accessing
> *>the oak.oakland site a number of years ago, not a CDROM. The oak
> *>repository is non existant now as far as I know. The CP/M portion
> *>seems to be mirrored in a couple of locations as were mentioned in
> *>the comp.os.cpm newsgroup which is a recent and pleasant revelation
> *>to me. I am unaware of any of the other 'directories' being mirrored
> *>presently.
> *> - don
>
> Don, you might read my recently posted message to this thread. The
> Internet Archive is not a "mirror" site at ALL for ANYTHING, it just
> has exerpts as I describe in particular for the Oakland U. site.
> I did not see any other "mirror" as such for Oakland's stuff by
> name via a Web search. It does list all FILENAMES and filesizes
> however.
I did read it, Herb, and I did not mean to imply that any site
that I am aware of was mirroring the content of the late
Oak.Oakland site. However there are a couple of sites that seem
to carry all or a significant portion of the CP/M directory that
was formerly on Oak. By the same token, I am unaware of a site
that carries the other directories that Oak had, eg. CPMUG, HZ100,
ZSYS, etc.
> And I just don't know for certain if the Walnut Creek CD includes
> ALL the Oakland material; as the Walnut Creek CD is organized slightly
> differently and I only sampled on-line bits of it, it has MOST of it.
Because of the difference in organization, it would be a Herculean
task to make such a determination. But in a cursory comparison of
my Oak directory of ~94 and my Walnut Creek CD it appears that
many of the Oak CPM sub-directories are in the CD and frequently
with a few additional files. Some of that 'extra' may be due to
the presence of both compressed and expanded versions, however.
There are a couple - PC-BLUE and SIMDOS - that one would not
really expect to find on a CP/M CDROM, but generally it does
appear that the majority of the Oak CP/M stuff is on the CD.
- don
> But I'd appreciate
> someone's first-hand review of these items (ideally their own copy
> of Oakland's site in particular) to see if the W. C. CDROM actually
> replicates what was on Oakland's site. Then any fuss to provide a
> mirror of Oakland would be unnecessary.
Jim Korman
>
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Herbert R Johnson remove ZZZ's from address wrote:
>
>
<much snipped>
Don, Just curious. Is there a "backup" of all the
disk formats that you've been collecting? I would
have been dead in the water without the disk that
you supplied.
Jim
Don Maslin
On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Herbert R Johnson remove ZZZ's from address wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:49:24 -0700 (PDT), Don Maslin <do...@cts.com> wrote:
> *>
> *>
> *>On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Herbert R Johnson remove ZZZ's from address wrote:
> *>
> *>> In article <_H4pa.6502$2x2.3...@dca1-nnrp1.news.algx.net>, you wrote:
> *>> *>Terry Yager <tyg...@chartermi.net> wrote:
> *>> *>: Hello Don,
> *>> *>: Are we looking at the same cdrom? Mine has the following directories (off
> *>> *>: the root).
> *>> *>
> *>> *>Terry, I was looking at a directory list that I made from accessing
> *>> *>the oak.oakland site a number of years ago, not a CDROM. The oak
> *>> *>repository is non existant now as far as I know. The CP/M portion
> *>> *>seems to be mirrored in a couple of locations as were mentioned in
> *>> *>the comp.os.cpm newsgroup which is a recent and pleasant revelation
> *>> *>to me. I am unaware of any of the other 'directories' being mirrored
> *>> *>presently.
> *>> *> - don
> *>>
> *>> Don, you might read my recently posted message to this thread. The
> *>> Internet Archive is not a "mirror" site at ALL for ANYTHING, it just
> *>> has exerpts as I describe in particular for the Oakland U. site.
> *>> I did not see any other "mirror" as such for Oakland's stuff by
> *>> name via a Web search. It does list all FILENAMES and filesizes
> *>> however.
> *>
> *>I did read it, Herb, and I did not mean to imply that any site
> *>that I am aware of was mirroring the content of the late
> *>Oak.Oakland site. However there are a couple of sites that seem
> *>to carry all or a significant portion of the CP/M directory that
> *>was formerly on Oak. By the same token, I am unaware of a site
> *>that carries the other directories that Oak had, eg. CPMUG, HZ100,
> *>ZSYS, etc.
>
> Well, I thought you had additional information or experience in this
> regard; I misread your message, my apologies. Hopefully someone has
> that experience.
>
> *>> And I just don't know for certain if the Walnut Creek CD includes
> *>> ALL the Oakland material; as the Walnut Creek CD is organized slightly
> *>> differently and I only sampled on-line bits of it, it has MOST of it.
> *>
> *>Because of the difference in organization, it would be a Herculean
> *>task to make such a determination. But in a cursory comparison of
> *>my Oak directory of ~94 and my Walnut Creek CD it appears that
> *>many of the Oak CPM sub-directories are in the CD and frequently
> *>with a few additional files. Some of that 'extra' may be due to
> *>the presence of both compressed and expanded versions, however.
>
> This is also my impression. The task of comparison, at least to comparing
> filenames to filenames, would be tedious but doable. I'll have to stand
> behind my posted remarks. Maybe I'll list the directories I think are
> in doubt and let others resolve that doubt.
>
> You say "your Oak directory of '94". Do you have a "image" of the
> Oak files archive for 1994? or only a copy of the directories?
Just the directories, Herb. I had a pretty complete listing of
the sites that I had found useful that enabled a quick check for a
particular file without having to bring up the site right then.
> *>There are a couple - PC-BLUE and SIMDOS - that one would not
> *>really expect to find on a CP/M CDROM, but generally it does
> *>appear that the majority of the Oak CP/M stuff is on the CD.
>
> That's outside the pervue of comp.os.cpm but it is an allied interest.
Exactly.
- don
> *>> But I'd appreciate
> *>> someone's first-hand review of these items (ideally their own copy
> *>> of Oakland's site in particular) to see if the W. C. CDROM actually
> *>> replicates what was on Oakland's site. Then any fuss to provide a
> *>> mirror of Oakland would be unnecessary.
> *>>
> *>> Herb Johnson
Don Maslin
: Don Maslin wrote:
Not presently, Jim, but if I can keep my head above that
stuff for a long enough period there will be. Likely,
several.
- don
: Jim
Herbert R Johnson remove ZZZ's from address
has ALL of the Oakland Univ. OAK CP/M archive of files? I've found
most of the matching directories as described below but not all. I list
below the directories I found and not found based on on-line images of
Walnut Creek and the DIRECTORIES image only of OAK. Can someone with
the actual files from both check this out? A directories cross check
and some sampling of filenames would be a reasonable effort rather than
matching every single filename.
Details:
*>*>: Michael C Finn wrote:
*>*>:>
*>*>:> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...]
*>*>:>
*>*>:> I visited http://web.archive.org/ to see if the Oakland
*>*>:> repository was saved intact by the Internet Archive Library
*>*>:> Project.
*>*>:>
*>*>:> I tried a search there and it appears the Internet Archive
*>*>:> project captured several snapshots of the Oak CP/M archive.
*>*>:>
My (Herb Johnson) earlier report:
*>I checked that "snapshot" on 4/21/03. Unfortunately many of
*>the actual FILES are not archived. What is archived are the HTML
*>files and links to other files, down to SOME but not ALL the CP/M
*>files. After accessing several file links, my initial (but not necessarily
*>CORRECT) impression is that CP/M files above about 40Kbytes were
*>not "captured" by the Internet Archive, although many smaller files
*>were. And I did not check the integrity of those captured files.
*>
*>There is at least one on-line "image" of the Walnut Creek CP/M CD-ROM.
*>I checked that image against the INternet Archive's list of directories
*>(not every file!) from the Oakland OAK CP/M archive. The Walnut Creek
*>CD-ROM includes a directory which has MOST of the OAK directories in
*>it. In particular, Walnut Creek has combined several OAK similar
*>directories under one directory. For instance several BBS directories
*>for OAK are under one "bbs" directory for Walnut Creek. I found several
*>occasions of this kind of reorganization. As regards the above
*>question about Z-100, one of the directories is "zenith".
Here's an update of sorts. The Walnut Creek CD-ROM has a directory which
includes AT LEAST SOME of the directories and files in the CP/M section
of the now-unavailable Oakland OAK CP/M archive. I mean by this that
many of the Oak CP/M directories and their files are duplicated on the
Walnut CD; but SOME directories are combined into larger, more general
directories. (Example: the "bbs" individual directories on OAK are in
one "bbs" directory on Walnut.)
The online image of the Walnut Creek CD ROM I used is at
www.retroarchive.org/cpm/cdrom/
The online image of the DIRECTORIES and some files of the OAK CP/M site is
http://web.archive.org/web/20000622200258/http://oak.oakland
.edu/oak/cpm/index-cpm-pre.html
...but if someone has their own image of the Oakland OAK CP/M archive
so much the better. When it's been verified that the Walnut Creek CD
has "archived" the Oakland OAK CP/M archive, then it's not necessary to
try to "recover" the Oakland archive. I don't expect someone to do
a file-for-file match, but at least a directory-for-directory match
and some sampling of filename to confirm that match should not be a
"Herculean task" as one of my correspondents suggested.
Herb Johnson
---
The image of the Oakland CP/M archive at "web.archive.org" appears to
have the following archives:
CP/M Users Group Disks (/pub/cpmug)
SIG/M Disks (/pub/sigm)
Z-System (/pub/zsys) [ but check zcpr33 and zsystem directories for a newer version]
...and the following collections by subject or source (as linked on the
mirror site). Copyright dates on the lists of files in the directories named
below suggest the OAK archive was in 1996. Filedates are from the
1980's. Most files are in .lbr .ark or .*z* (squeezed) formats.
The directories I've *'ed are ones I did NOT find immediately on the online
image of the Walnut Creek CD-ROM. Again, can someone check their Walnut Creek
CD-ROM (preferably against their OAK file directories) to see if these *'ed
directories are missing?
22rsx, 6502, amethyst, ampro, apple, arc-lbr, asmutl, atari, aztec-c
basic, bbs, bbslists, bdos, bdsc-1, bdsc-2, bdsc-3, bdsc-4, *benchmark,
bkground, bondwell,
*bsr-x10, bstam, bye3, bye5
c, c128, c64, c80, calculator, catlog, cb80, cbios, ccp, *cdrom (NEW!),
cis, clock, cobol, comal,
*comnd, *conix, cpm3, cpm68k, cpm86, *cpminfo, cpr86, cug
database, datestmp, dbaseii, debug, dirutl, disasm, *diskplot, draco,
dskbuf, dskutl
editc80, editor, education, epson
*fast2, filcpy, *filedocs, filutl, finance, forth-83, fortran
*games, genasm, gencom, gendoc, *genie, graphics
hamming, hamradio, hbbs, hdutl, heath, *help, *hex, hitech-c
imp, *insidcpm
*kaypro, kermit
list, [languags].
maclib, math, mbbs, memtest, mex, misc, modem, modem2, modem7, modula2,
msoft
news, nstar, nubye
*osborne
packet, parasol, pascal-p, pascal, pbbs, pilot80, *plot33, pmnetwrk, ppspel,
prolog, pubkey, pubpatch
qterm
rbbs, *rbbs4, rcpm, ros
sb180, scrngen, smallc21, sort, spectrum, spell, spredsht, squsq,
starter-kit, submit, sysutl
*tdossigi, term, trs-80, turbodos, turbom2, turbopas, txtutl
uucp, uzi
vdoedit, vis1050, voice
wstar
xccp, xerox, xlisp, xmodem
z280, z8edebug, zcpr, zcpr2, zcpr33, zcpr4, zcprnews, zip, zmodem, zsystem