WANTED: BYTE January & February 1988 Articles

[Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France]

Is anybody out there

who has the January and February 1988 issues of BYTE?

For one hour, I have been trying to find them on the Internet, but Archive.org only has the March issue.

Google Books allows me to watch a book collecting those articles (and more), but impossible to print the 15 pages which interest me...

https://books.google.fr/books?id=fBuiNpYlyHcC&printsec=frontcover&hl=fr#v=onepage&q&f=false

Since I am not going to retype those 15 pages (it is too much different from the Zilog Z-80: it is for my documentation), I resign myself to a public help demand.

(Google: "Don't be evil"?!? How do you call the fact that you show us whole pages of books, yet it is impossible to copy the text or print it? In Europe, the Roman Catholic church has a sentence, during mass: "Do not subject us to temptation"... What are you doing, by showing us things that we cannot use? Should I buy a 220-pages book for 15 pages? And who is still using those 1988 chips?)

Yours Sincerely,
Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France

[Floppy Software]

What about pressing alt + print keys, some image editing and a nice ocr software?

[Udo Munk]

On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 10:28:38 PM UTC+1, Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France wrote:

> (Google: "Don't be evil"?!? How do you call the fact that you show us whole pages of books,
> yet it is impossible to copy the text or print it? In Europe, the Roman Catholic church has a
> sentence, during mass: "Do not subject us to temptation"... What are you doing, by showing
> us things that we cannot use? Should I buy a 220-pages book for 15 pages? And who is still
> using those 1988 chips?)

Why ask google to work for you? Just ask the Roman Catholic church to transcribe it for you.
Then it is pretty printed and they also can make endless copies too :) You are probably paying
these guys anyway.

Sorry, sometimes I just cannot resist.

[Axel Berger]

"Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France" wrote:

> (Google: "Don't be evil"?!? How do you call the fact that you show
> us whole pages of books, yet it is impossible to copy the text or
> print it?

If you can see it, then there are tools you can make a screenshot with.
(Irfanview has so far never failed me.) If the low resulution suffices
for reading, then it's god enough (or rather only equally bad) for
printing too.

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[Larry Kraemer]

Emmanuel,
What are the exact pages you are interested in getting OCR'd?
Start Page = ?
End Page = ?

Thanks.

Larry

[Alan Laughton]

You can get a copy from https://vintageapple.org/byte/

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[Lawrence Woodman]

On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 14:28:37 -0700, Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France wrote:

> Is anybody out there
>
> who has the January and February 1988 issues of BYTE?

Hello Emmanuel,

Here are links to PDFs of those issues:

Byte Magazine January 1988:
https://vintageapple.org/byte/pdf/198801_Byte_Magazine_Vol_13-01_Databases.pdf

Byte Magazine February 1988:
https://vintageapple.org/byte/pdf/198802_Byte_Magazine_Vol_13-02_14_Multiscan_Monitors_-_LISP.pdf


Best wishes


Lorry

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[Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France]

Hello, Alan!

> You can get a copy from https://vintageapple.org/byte/

??? I did not find it after one hour of Google search!

(What is wonderful with the Internet is that someone always knows more than you.)

Ok. So, I had a look. I downloaded the first PDF (but did not store it on the hard disk). I then found the article, and clicked on the "Printer" logo. The first 3 pages were printed, then I got an error message... "An unkown error has happened." Very informative! So, I re-downloaded the PDF, then started printing 3 pages further, and the same behavior happened (after 2 pages). So, I repeated this downloading-printing sequence, until I managed to print the whole article.

I then tried the second article. The PDF downloaded. Since the program was bombing after 2 pages, I simply asked the program to print the article 2 pages at a time. It worked. No more error message. However, there was a problem: instead of printing full pages, it produced only 3/4 of pages. So, I had to set the printer to 140% ratio, manually, before each page to get them correctly. There were just 2 problems: The resolution of the second PDF was much lower than the first one, and the 140% blow up did not improve the result: the article appears as if it had been printed with a 9-pin dot-matrix printer... The second problem is that this article contains one "Schematic". For some unknown reason, the person who scanned this issue of BYTE decided to store this Schematic in the PDF file horizontally, while it was horizontal in the magazine! As a result, I had to set up the printer manually to print it correctly.

Wahoo! All that in order to know how worked one system in 1988... 2 hours to print those 2 articles!

This must be progress?

Many thanks for those who answered my call for help.

[Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France]

Hello, Udo!

> Why ask google to work for you?

Heu... According to Google (ever heard about them?), they have scanned millions of books (including French books, since France was the cultural center of Europe during several centuries). I happen to know all the Librarians in my area (including the one of the local University, 40 kilometers away). None of them has the slightest idea how "Google Books" works. It is a totally proprietary system, totally closed, yet it contains some thousands of classic French text. Except that you can do nothing with them. As a result, everybody works with the BNF (Bibliothèque Nationale de France). There is also a "Catalogue" of all the books in French Universities/Technical Schools.

So, I am not asking Google to work for me. Google scanned millions of text. Except that they cannot be printed. (It is always funny to hear about "the paperless society". The older I get, the more I notice how much more contrast there is on paper, rather than screen, reading. Of course, I am of an age where people were reading. I am told that younger no longer know how to write, so they don't read: they watch videos. They "smartphone", rather than write. Waiting one week for an answer would kill them.)

> Just ask the Roman Catholic church to transcribe it for you.

Hahaha! I am sure that you are Protestant! (By the way, did you notice that, during about 1500 years, the Roman Catholic Church *COPIED* Bibles? The Protestants appearead, and what did they do? They *SOLD* their translation. The Catholic Church used a Roman translation (the Vulgate) made after the fall of the Roman Empire. (It is a long story.))

> Then it is pretty printed and they also can make endless copies too :)

Well, those hand-made Bibles were work of art, something that cannot be said of printed Bibles.

> You are probably paying these guys anyway.

I don't know: the Internet is incredibly obscure. Especially Google.

> Sorry, sometimes I just cannot resist.

Hahaha! Me, too!

[Udo Munk]

On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 5:51:21 PM UTC+1, Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France wrote:

> So, I am not asking Google to work for me. Google scanned millions of text. Except
> that they cannot be printed.

Sure, you want them to provide you with millions of scanned books that you can print
without any effort. Doing so is work, won't happen from alone.

> Hahaha! I am sure that you are Protestant! (By the way, did you notice that, during
> about 1500 years, the Roman Catholic Church *COPIED* Bibles? The Protestants
> appearead, and what did they do? They *SOLD* their translation. The Catholic
> Church used a Roman translation (the Vulgate) made after the fall of the Roman
> Empire. (It is a long story.))

All my ancestors were Catholics as far as it can be traced back. I was baptised as
Protestant because my mother insisted on that, even with all the trouble that caused
in the family. Of course I asked my mother why she disliked this sect more than some
other, but the answers were evasively. Everyones guess why that likely is so.

Later I got confirmed as Protestant because my parents asked me to get though
the proceeder. When I was old enough I just left the sect. I am no atheist tho.
I'm still connected to the Creation same as when I was born and I have no need
for any sect whatsoever, for some reason I seem to be immune.

> Well, those hand-made Bibles were work of art, something that cannot be said
> of printed Bibles.

Sure they were, but for that everyone who wants can have the printed book.
And the contents of the book is essential, not the artwork in it?

> > You are probably paying these guys anyway.
>
> I don't know: the Internet is incredibly obscure. Especially Google.

Nothing obscure, just 1/0 bits, totally trivial.

[Martin]

Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France wrote:

Hello Emmanuel!

Opened your link with seamonkey (javascript disabled, cookies blocked
and also any off site links).

Even under these strong restrictions, the Page opened and displayed...
("Volume VII / Ciarcia's Vircuit Cellar ...)


Here is my little google/browser foo.

I also couldn't view, print or savw these pages, until I realized that
the whole page is displayed as the "BACKGROUND IMAGE".

So, depending on your browser it could be possible to

+ right-click, "View Background Image" or
+ Menu "View", "Page Info" (Ctrl+I), Tab "Media"

One of the Images(!) of Type "Background" is
"https://books.google.fr/books/content?id=fBuiNpYlyHcC&hl=fr&pg=PP1&img=1&zoom=3&sig=ACfU3U38njZM5elcKAAeLaTa6126APeQTg"

Just select the line, copy and open the link in a new browser window.
It is now a normal image and I hope you can print it now.

Or another idea, the cause of all your problem could be, you have
disabled the printing of "background images"/"page colors" int the
browser settings long time ago, completely forgotten and now it bites you...


Hope this helps you in the future

Martin

[dxf...@gmail.com]

On Friday, March 29, 2019 at 3:51:21 AM UTC+11, Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France wrote:
> ...

> > Just ask the Roman Catholic church to transcribe it for you.
>
> Hahaha! I am sure that you are Protestant! (By the way, did you notice that, during about 1500 years, the Roman Catholic Church *COPIED* Bibles? The Protestants appearead, and what did they do? They *SOLD* their translation.

Perhaps under the Protestants there was finally some money with which to buy :)

[Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France]

Hello, Martin!

(Well, you have the advantage of being the only "Martin" at the moment on the comp.os.cpm Newsgroup (there used to be 5 "Bill"s at the same time!), but I counsel you to add something more descriptive. Since the Americans are unable to write "Emmanuel" correctly (despite being in the Bible for the last 3.500 years... You wonder if those "Puritans" ever read it?), I was obliged to include my first name in the "From" field. (I was also obliged to add "Mr." because 99.99% of the Americans do not know that "Emmanuel" is (and has been, for the last 3.500 years) a male first name. Apparently, they were more impressed by the "Emmanuelle" film (which lasted ? years) than by the Bible (Old Gospel), written 3.500 years ago...) Since the Internet is worldwide, and I am the only Frenchman here, I came to add "France". Selecting a name to be used worldwide is not easy. My "From" name is just the result of years of Internet use.)

> Opened your link with seamonkey

I had to search for it. Its name is not familiar to me. (For years, I used the Opera browser. One day, corresponding with someone, I needed to open a "scribd" file. It did not work. I ended installing "Mozilla Firefox", which seems to be more widespread. The problem of the Internet is that you need a Browser, and there are less and less of them. According to statistics, Google is clearly the winner. Especially now that "smartphones" overwhelm computers.)

> I also couldn't view, print or savw these pages, until I realized that the whole page is displayed as the "BACKGROUND IMAGE".

Yes, 99% of PDF files are just "wrappers" of JPG files. With Archive.org, I simply right-click "Save the image" and print the pages of the articles with the "Windows image viewer". Your message got me thinking. I rushed to Firefox, and finally found a way, thanks to you.

So, I find an interesting page, thanks to "Google Books". There is a frame surrounding it, and preventing you from manipulating it. Go to "Tools". Select "Page information". A window appears, with 4 options: General, Medias, Permissions, and Security. Select "Medias" and a menu of "addresses" of the files making this page appears. When you click on one line, a summary of its statitics appears, with a "thumbnail" image. Browse the files until you find the image of the page. (There may be several resolutions.) Use then "Save under..." and another window appears. By default, it saves only HTML files. Select "All files" for the Type, then give the page a name (like the page number, for example). (No matter which filetype I used, the page was stored as a PNG file.)

Once you have all the pages of the article, print them as you like.

Good! One more problem solved. (This reminds me of the "this trick solves a problem that did not exist before computers/Google...".)

[Axel Berger]

"Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France" wrote:

> Select "Page information".

Several clicks for each and every page -- normally that would come way
after my last resort. But if you really need something and no other way
can be found ...

> are unable to write "Emmanuel" correctly (despite being in the Bible
> for the last 3.500 years... You wonder if those "Puritans" ever read it?)

Rather few of them will read the French translation, the one that uses
this spelling if the name.

> Select "Medias"

Even Firefox knows that the corrct plural of "media" is "mediata". (And
who ever heard about medium, no such word exists.)

> Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France

In British English contractions (abbreviations using the first and last
letters of a word) do not carry a full stop.

[Martin]

Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France schrieb:

Thank you!

With the right nice guy on the other side, even such awkward attempts to
help were successful.

All your friendly suggestions noted, and you made me laugh :-)

Wish you well, Martin

[Richard Deane]

In the good old days people got their name from their profession or activity, so for you I guess your name should really be e-manual :)

[Randy McLaughlin]

Lol since Emmanuel translates to savior I don't thing he would accept a lower level name ;-)


Randy

[Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France]

Axel Berger wrote:

> Rather few of them will read the French translation, the one that uses

this spelling of the name.

The French translation? But it is a 3.500 years old Hebrew name!

Richard Deane wrote:

> In the good old days people got their name from their profession or activity, so for you I guess your name should really be e-manual :)

I studied Roman and Greek Civilisations at University, so I know quite a lot about "Praenomen", "Nomen" and "Gens". What you are alluding to actually appeared (in France?) during the Middle Age, again for religious reasons. To be buried, the Catholic church accepted only people who had been baptized. So, how do you prove that this dead man/women had been baptized, circa 35 years earlier, since 99% of the population was illiterate? As a result, the priest had to record the name of each child that he was baptizing, along with the names of his Father and Mother. Later, the French Revolution decided that it was the new power, the Republique, that should record the birth/mariage/death of its citizens. Hence our "Etat Civil". Notice the "civil": it is not religious.

Back to the Middle Age. Since there were only praenomen coming from the Bible which were allowed by the church (of course!), there was a limited range of first names. As a result, the use of "family name" spread. Of course, many of those family names were about the condition (Chevalier) or the job of the Father (Baker).

In my particular case, "Roche" is a very old name coming from "fortified place". It predates the use of "Castle". You can think of it as a natural stone height, with a building at the top. (In the English world, one can mention the "Rock of Gibraltar". Rock is the English translation of the French word Roche. There is a place named like this a few kilometers from the village of my oldest ancestors.

Waow! Now, let us turn to "Emmanuel". I was so surprised by the above 2 mentions that I decided to use... Wikipedia!

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Emmanuel&redirect=no

"Immanuel is a Hebrew name which appears in the Book of Isaiah as a sign that God will protect the House of David."

Then, if you click on the blue link "Immanuel", there is a long Wikipedia article.

Good reading!

[David Schultz]

On 3/27/19 4:28 PM, Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France wrote:
> Is anybody out there
>
> who has the January and February 1988 issues of BYTE?
>

From context it appears your interest is in the BCC180. Which means you
might also be interested in an article in issues 7 and 8 of Circuit
Cellar INK that described the RTOS.


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[Axel Berger]

Randy McLaughlin wrote:
> Lol since Emmanuel translates to savior

In what language? In hebrew it's "G"d [is] with us".

[Axel Berger]

"Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France" wrote:

> The French translation? But it is a 3.500 years old Hebrew name!

Spelt in Aramaic (square) letters from right to left and without vowels.
Most languages except French transliterate it as "Immanuel".

[Steve Nickolas]

On Sat, 30 Mar 2019, Axel Berger wrote:

> "Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France" wrote:
>> The French translation? But it is a 3.500 years old Hebrew name!
>
> Spelt in Aramaic (square) letters from right to left and without vowels.
> Most languages except French transliterate it as "Immanuel".

That's a matter of whether they derive the name from Hebrew directly, or
from Greek (either directly or via Latin).

-uso.

[Axel Berger]

Steve Nickolas wrote:
> whether they derive the name from Hebrew directly, or
> from Greek (either directly or via Latin).

Quite. But as the oldest known Greek translation is younger than
Emmanuel's 3500 years, he must be referring to the Hebrew original. (And
no, I'm not entering the discussion about how old that really is -- at
least not here.)

[Bruce Mardle]

I thought my collection of old 'Byte' magazine would come in handy 1 day.
Alas, I was too slow!
(I might go pore over the delighful cover paintings by Robert Tinney.)

[Larry Kraemer]

If you are interested in the article in issues 7 and 8 of Circuit
Cellar INK that described the RTOS, I've OCR'd those pages and have
the *.TXT files available. They haven't been verified against the
original .tif files yet, but appear to be descent results.

Larry

[dxf...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 7:38:46 AM UTC+11, Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France wrote:
> Axel Berger wrote:
>
> > Rather few of them will read the French translation, the one that uses
> this spelling of the name.
>
> The French translation? But it is a 3.500 years old Hebrew name!

Just use 'Manny' like the Americans :) They're not fussy.

[Tom Lake]

> Just use 'Manny' like the Americans :) They're not fussy.

I know an Emmanuelle from France and she prefers Emma. À chacun ses goûts, I guess.

[Fred Weigel]

Mssr Roche

This is not Googles fault. Google stated that they would scan EVERYTHING. Google did this. Google then requested that they be allowed to make this available:

https://www.edsurge.com/news/2017-08-10-what-happened-to-google-s-effort-to-scan-millions-of-university-library-books

FredW

On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 5:28:38 PM UTC-4, Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France wrote:
> Is anybody out there
>
> who has the January and February 1988 issues of BYTE?
>

> For one hour, I have been trying to find them on the Internet, but Archive.org only has the March issue.
>
> Google Books allows me to watch a book collecting those articles (and more), but impossible to print the 15 pages which interest me...
>
> https://books.google.fr/books?id=fBuiNpYlyHcC&printsec=frontcover&hl=fr#v=onepage&q&f=false
>
> Since I am not going to retype those 15 pages (it is too much different from the Zilog Z-80: it is for my documentation), I resign myself to a public help demand.
>
> (Google: "Don't be evil"?!? How do you call the fact that you show us whole pages of books, yet it is impossible to copy the text or print it? In Europe, the Roman Catholic church has a sentence, during mass: "Do not subject us to temptation"... What are you doing, by showing us things that we cannot use? Should I buy a 220-pages book for 15 pages? And who is still using those 1988 chips?)
>