Where can i download cpm
nol...@ymail.com
give me a link to a download.
Tom Lake
<nol...@ymail.com> wrote in message
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> I would like to try CP/M and dont know were to download it, can anyone
> give me a link to a download.
CP/M has to be customized for the hardware on which it runs. It's not like
MS-DOS
that can run on many different clones. Even the disk formats are different
between
machines.
What are your hardware specs? (CPU, memory size, disk drive controller
maker, size and type of floppy drives)
Tom Lake
Peter Dassow
You are right, Tom. But I guess he just want to try it - with a PC. And
with an emulator, this could be done easily...
22Nice for DOS (and via Windows command line but NOT Vista) can be
downloaded at ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/emulate/22nce142.zip
MyZ80 also for DOS (and via Windows command line but NOT Vista) can be
downloaded at
ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/emulate/myz80111.zip
Yaze (also for Windows, but originally for Linux) can be downloaded at
http://www.mathematik.uni-ulm.de/users/ag/yaze-ag/
and the Altair Emulator also possible running CP/M can be downloaded at
http://www.schorn.ch/cpm/intro.html
last but not least Z80PACK (originally for Linux, but a Win32 version
exist) from Udo Munk can be downloaded at
http://www.unix4fun.org/z80pack/index.html
The last three emulates a Z80, not CP/M, but can run CP/M still. For
these you need a Telnet program, Hyperterminal should do the job also.
Regards
Peter
--
* More infos about vintage computers and CP/M - http://www.z80.eu
no....@no.uce.bellatlantic.net
>I would like to try CP/M and dont know were to download it, can anyone
>give me a link to a download.
Allison
Tom Lake
>> that can run on many different clones. Even the disk formats are different
>> between
>> machines.
>> Tom Lake
>
> You are right, Tom. But I guess he just want to try it - with a PC. And with an
> emulator, this could be done easily...
My bad! I never even consider emulators unless the person specifically asks for one.
Tom Lake
Axel Berger
>It's not like MS-DOS that can run on many different clones.
That's somewhere in between misleading and wrong.
The real difference is that MS-DOS can't be customized at all and one
single hardware platform has to be cloned for it to run at all.
--
Tschö wa
Axel
Udo Munk
> I would like to try CP/M and dont know were to download it, can anyone
> give me a link to a download.
To try MP/M (multiuser CP/M) without any download at all try telnet
www.unix4fun.org port 4050 or port 4051.
Enjoy,
Udo Munk
--
The real fun is building it and then using it...
John Elliott
: The real difference is that MS-DOS can't be customized at all and one
Beg to differ. Apricot F-series. Sanyo MBC-55x.
--
John Elliott
Thinks: This is what a nice clean life leads to. Hmm, why did I ever lead one?
-- Bluebottle, in the Goon Show
Roger Ivie
> Axel Berger <Axel_...@b.maus.de> wrote:
>: The real difference is that MS-DOS can't be customized at all and one
>: single hardware platform has to be cloned for it to run at all.
>
> Beg to differ. Apricot F-series. Sanyo MBC-55x.
DEC Rainbow. DECmate II with XPU. Attache with DOS add-on card. Victor.
--
roger ivie
ri...@ridgenet.net
Herb Johnson
That's a good link, Allison. Others have posted other links and asked
questions of the original poster.
As I've seen this kind of post every few months in comp.os.cpm, and
with similar responses, I built a Web page to try to provide that
information and more. My page is:
http://www.retrotechnology.com/dri/howto_cpm.html
and it links to the sites mentioned, provides some info, and also
links to my efforts to document early CP/M development history and the
earliest products. I'd welcome any comments about my pages. I say
"mine" but they mostly contain the work of many others, including some
of the people who posted in this thread.
Herb Johnson
retrotechnology.com
Herbert R. Johnson, New Jersey USA
http://www.retrotechnology.com/herbs_stuff/ sales web site
-- old Mac, S-100, 1970's & 80's computers, 8-inch floppy
http://www.retrotechnology.com/ retro-technology home pages
-- S-100, CP/M history by "Dr. S-100"
-- other old tech in iron, glass, rock
domain mirror: retrotechnology.net
email: hjohnson AAT retrotechnology DOTT com
if no reply, try in a few days: herbjohnson ATT comcast DOTT net
Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France
Bloody Hell! I sent you a message a few weeks ago, then asked an English
friend to phone you (he did not manage)...
So, are you still near the Bluebell Line?
(You can write me privately.)
Yours Sincerely,
Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France
Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France
>
> DEC Rainbow. DECmate II with XPU. Attache with DOS add-on card. Victor.
There was a series of articles, in MicroSystems, explaining how to port
MS-DOS to non IBM Clown hardware. The article I read talked about a S-100
Bus implementation of MS-DOS.
Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France
> To try MP/M (multiuser CP/M) without any download at all try telnet
> www.unix4fun.org port 4050 or port 4051.
I just did that!
I had never used telnet on an IBM Clown before...
(If someone want to know, I could explain, but the messages on my Windows
98SE computer are in French. Even if I translated them in English, they
could differ from what you will see on your system. I often wonder why the
translation in French of MicroShit stuff is so bad... Strange, since
MicroShit is said to be the most profitable company in the world. Why cannot
they hire good translators?)
The problem, for a new comer, is that your MP/M system has precious little
software. For example, I was surprised that there was not even a HELP
available...
When you type DIR, you only see 4 or 5 files. If you don't how how to
display SYStem files (different under MP/M-II than under CP/M Plus), you are
in a endless loop.
On my Hard Disk, somewhere, I have a text file explaining MP/M-II. Do you
want it, so that people trying your MP/M-II system can read something about
it?
(Write me privately for the details.)
(Also, you could put some "ASCII graphics" (like Snoopy) on the system. By
the way, the standard line telling which version of MP/M-II, and how much
TPA, is available (the boot message), were not visible during my trial. I
suggest to add them.)
Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France
had a flash and remembered a command.
I tried it, and the results were more than expected.
So, I suggest you try: "sdir [dr = al".
Hope you will like it.
Thierry B.
> I had never used telnet on an IBM Clown before...
Please don't say "clown" when you use Microsoft Outlook.
Thierry B.
>: The real difference is that MS-DOS can't be customized at all and one
>: single hardware platform has to be cloned for it to run at all.
>
> Beg to differ. Apricot F-series. Sanyo MBC-55x.
May be Amiga1000 with the sidecar ?
--
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| si FT déploie du GPON depuis le NRO vers le bas de l'immeuble, l'intérêt |
| d'utiliser le P2P en câblage vertical est anéanti. Et donc pour moi,... |
+----------------------------------------[ Really Cruel Modern World ]-----+
no....@no.uce.bellatlantic.net
Rather than fight a cranky server and put up a more complete query
I figured the URL was a good shot. I always start with Gaby's work.
Allison
no....@no.uce.bellatlantic.net
I take that as sarcasm and see it as funny. More true now than then.
However... I have a S100 (Compupro) with 8088 and a meg of ram
that does indeed run messydos and CCPM. FYI the 8088 runs at 10mhz
with static ram and that beats the usual clone running 4.77 or 8mhz.
However it does not have a video card but, it does service up to 8
terminal lines. Compared to the average clone it has two 31mb Quantum
D540s and runs text basd apps far faster than the any of the 8mhz
clones.
Allison
Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France
> Please don't say "clown" when you use Microsoft Outlook.
And what else could I use, Mister-afraid-of-displaying-his-name?
Remember, during almost 10 years, the only way to read the comp.os.cpm
Newsgroup was for me to go to a cybercafe, and be obliged to use the various
Windows versions that they have used, over the years.
The village where I live finally got the Internet (ADSL), and I bought a
second-hand portable running Win 98SE to no longer be obliged to drive about
15 kilometers everytime I want to read/write a message.
You may remember that I used, during 15 years, an Epson QX-10 under CP/M
Plus with 4 floppy disk drives. Find me a News reader running under CP/M,
and I will (me) return to CP/M Plus without any regreat. That's why I worked
so much on CP/M-86 Plus, in the hope to be able to continue to use CP/M Plus
on faster hardware. Unfortunately, the BIOS of CP/M-86 Plus was written for
the PC XT, not the PC AT still used by "IBM Clowns".
CBFalconer
> "Thierry B." wrote:
>
>> Please don't say "clown" when you use Microsoft Outlook.
>
> And what else could I use, Mister-afraid-of-displaying-his-name?
Well, Netscape, XNews, Thunderbird come immediately to mind. At
least one of which has always been available to you during all the
time in question.
Since Usenet is specified for pure text use, you could also have
used CP/M satisfactorily.
--
[mail]: Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
[page]: <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
Try the download section.
Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France
> Well, Netscape, XNews, Thunderbird come immediately to mind. At
> least one of which has always been available to you during all the
> time in question.
IE is provided with Win 98SE. And all the cybercafes that I know, in the
area, use it.
> Since Usenet is specified for pure text use, you could also have
> used CP/M satisfactorily.
Ha! My dream! To drop WinDoze, and go back to CP/M Plus...
However, I am afraid that you are forgetting that, the 18 March 2008, in the
thread "WANTED: Volunteer to Scan Old Programs", I published a grid
containing all the "Cope Page 850" characters, surrounded by "boxing
characters".
That is to say: Google Groups now uses UTF-8.
I don't know how you read Usenet, but, with Google, the standard character
set is now UTF-8 (since they need to display chars from as many countries as
possible).
(I explained how UTF-8 works in my "WS4-to-UTF-8 File Converter paper: you
will remember that it is compatible (for 8-bit values) with ASCII.)
(Finally, could you explain a little bit more what you mean by: "you could
also have used CP/M satisfactorily"? Do you have access to the Internet with
your CP/M computer?)
Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France
Here is a suggestion: you could put the following file (renamed README.ASC)
on the MP/M-II user number where the telnet-connected user arrives.
Yours Sincerely,
Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France
MPM2AD.WS4
----------
MP/M II -- Product Brief
Digital Research
(Retyped by Emmanuel ROCHE.)
MP/M II Overview
----------------
MP/M II is a multi-user, multi-tasking operating system designed
for
microcomputers that use the Intel 8080/8085 or Zilog Z-80 microprocessors.
MP/M II is compact and powerful. It has a time-tested, modular design,
which
includes:
- TMP -- Terminal Message Processor
The human interface of the system, reads the user's command line.
- CLI -- Command Line Interpreter
The part of the system responsible for loading programs that
execute
user's commands.
- BDOS -- Basic Disk Operating System
The portion of the system that manages files and directories,
consoles
and printers.
- XDOS -- Extended Disk Operating System
The real-time nucleus of MP/M II, which provides dispatching,
queue,
flag and time-base management.
- XIOS -- Extended Input/Output System
The variant portion of the operating system that contains all
physical
hardware-dependent code, such as Input/Output device handlers.
MP/M II is small, residing in less than 26K bytes of memory, 13K of which
must
be common to all users. Total size is dependent on the XIOS and the number
of
Resident System Processes (RSP) included when the system is
generated
(GENSYS). The size of the XIOS is determined by the number and type
of
peripherals supported.
MP/M II Features
----------------
- A multi-user, multi-tasking operating system
- Upward compatible with CP/M
- Record and file locking
- Date and time stamps, and password protection on files
- 16 logical drives managing up to 512 Megabytes each,
for total on-line storage of 8 Gigabytes.
- Extensive error-handling and reporting
- Multiple printer support
- Includes RMAC, LINK-80 and LIB-80
- CP/NET compatibility
CP/M Compatibility
------------------
The MP/M II file system is upward compatible with CP/M 1.4 and 2.2 files.
All
files generated by CP/M systems may be read under MP/M II. In addition,
the
MP/M II file system allows larger files, and supports file
password
protection.
Executable CP/M (COMmand) files will run under MP/M II when the
following
criterai are met: (1) the MP/M II system has "bank-select" memory; (2)
the
program will run in the memory available in the bank; and (3) the
program
communicates with the operating system only through BDOS calls.
To the end user, MP/M II commands are a superset of CP/M commands.
Familiar
CP/M commands such as DIR, ERA, TYPE, PIP and STAT respond similarly in
MP/M-II.
Record and File Locking
-----------------------
File integrity is enhanced with the MP/M II extended file system. MP/M
II
allows files to be opened in one of three modes: locked, unlocked, and
read-
only. These three modes are set by the Open File commands through a BDOS
call.
Locked mode may be used when it is necessary to assure that only one user
may
open a specific file at a given time. Once a file is opened in the
locked
mode, other user requests for that file are denied.
In the unlocked mode, multiple open file requests may be serviced. If a
file
is opened in the unlocked mode, individual records or groups of records
within
that file may be temporarily locked by a user. Alternately, a record may
be
updated with a Test and Write Record command. In this case, before an
update
is performed, an unaltered copy of the record in memory is compared with
the
record on the disk. If the disk copy has been altered, an error message
is
returned to the application program.
Finally, the read-only mode allows more than one process to open a
file.
Attempts to write to a file opened in this mode are denied.
Password Protection on Directories and Files
--------------------------------------------
Protection for user files and directories is enhanced through the optional
use
of passwords. MP/M II allows a user to assign passwords to files
and
directoriy labels. Application programs may employ a password
checking
procedure to determine access authorization before opening files.
Passwords
are encrypted to provide additional security.
Date and Time Stamping
----------------------
MP/M II's extended directory entries provide a facility for date and
time
stamping files. Each file may have up to two date and time stamps.
This
feature is controlled by an attribute in the directory label, which may be
set
by the system manager, and provides the ability to automatically add date
and
time of last update, and either access or file creation. The SDIR
utility
displays date and time stamp information.
Disk Management
---------------
MP/M II can support up to 16 logical drives, each containing up to
512
Megabytes, for a maximum of 8 Gigabytes of on-line storage. Any one file
can
be up to 32 Megabytes in size, with space dynamically allocated and
released.
Each drive has a directory which maps each file's physical locations on
the
disk. Disk definition tables in the XIOS translate the logical
drive,
directory and file structure to the physical characteristics of the disk.
One
physical disk can be treated as one or more logical drives by MP/M II.
Error Handling and Reporting
----------------------------
MP/M II can handle errors in three mode: (1) it can display an error
message
and terminate the user's program; (2) it can display an error message
and
return to the user's program; or (3) it can return to the user's
program
without displaying an error message. In modes (2) and (3), the BDOS returns
an
error code which may be trapped by the application program. The
application
program can then provide more specific error handling and information.
Multiple Printer Support
------------------------
MP/M II supports up to 16 list devices, typically printers and teletypes.
At
the application program level, a call to the BDOS allows the selection of
a
particular list device. Additionally, list devices may be assigned
dynamically
by using the PRINTER utility.
Network Interface
-----------------
MP/M II supports the Digital Research network operating system, CP/NET,
which
allows users to interconnect multiple microcomputers. Users may run
standard
CP/M programs which transparently share disks, printers and other
network
devices. Additionally, the electronic mail feature of CP/NET provides
for
message communication among users.
RMAC, LINK-80 and LIB-80
------------------------
The MP/M II package includes Digital Research's RMAC, relocating
macro
assembler, LINK-80, our linkage editor with overlay capability, XREF,
which
uses the output of RMAC to produce a cross-reference file of symbols used
in
the program, and LIB-80, a library manager. These utilities will help
OEMs
maintain software in the field. Users of compiled languages, which
generate
relocatable modules, can utilize the overlay capability of LINK-80.
Memory Management
-----------------
MP/M II can manage up to 400K bytes of RAM. The nucleus of the
operating
system requires a 16K of common memory. The remainder may be switched in up
to
48K banks among seven users. The eighth bank contains the banked portion
of
the operating system, including Resident System Processes (RSP).
Memory
allocation is done on a best-fit basis.
MP/M II Dispatcher
------------------
The MP/M II dispatcher, that portion of the XDOS which changes the
currently
executing task, requires from 600-900 microseconds to switch tasks (4-MHz
Z-
80). This low overhead leads to greater system throughput. For
real-time
applications, the interrupt mechanism is disabled for less than
150
microseconds during a dispatch. Thus, high-prority interrupts may be
serviced
in a timely fashion.
Customization
-------------
MP/M II may be transported to a specific 8080/8085 or Z-80
hardware
environment by tailoring its loader and hardware-dependent module
(XIOS).
Either MP/M 1.1 or CP/M 2.2 must first be implemented on the target machine.
The MP/M Loader (MPMLDR) may be executed under CP/M or,
following
reconfiguration, it may be loaded from the system tracks of the disk by
the
cold start loader. The MPMLDR is specially configured for a
particular
environment by inserting the BIOS code from CP/M into the MPMLDR BIOS.
The hardware-dependent module of MP/M II (XIOS) must also be
reconfigured.
Much of the device handling code, as well as Disk Drive Definition tables,
may
be copied from the CP/M BIOS. Once a simple system is running, support
for
additional consoles, the system closk, bank-select memory and
interrupt-driven
devices may be introduced. MP/M II can be loaded and executed under the
CP/M
debugger (DDT).
Two samples of an XIOS are included in the MP/M II Documentation.
MP/M II Utilities
-----------------
ABORT
The Abort utility allows a user to terminate a running program.
ATTACH
The Attach utility attaches a program to a console.
ASM
The latest version of the CP/M assembler supports Intel mnemonics.
CONSOLE
The Console utility displays the system console number of the
requesting
console.
DIR
The Directory utility displays a disk directory for the currently-logged
user.
By setting the SYS attribute, files may be made invisible to this utility.
DSKRESET
The Disk Reset utility resets the allocation map of a drive after
the
insertion of a new diskette. This allows a write to the new diskette.
ED
The latest version of the CP/M editor is included.
ERA
The Erase utility erases a file or files; may be password-protected.
ERAQ
The Erase with Query utility queries the user for confirmation before
erasing
each specified file.
MPMSTAT
The MP/M Statistics utility displays the run-time system status of MP/M II.
PIP
The Peripheral Interchange Program supports the movement of files among
the
various logical devices and drives of the system. PIP also concatenates
files,
or extracts portions of ASCII files. Options in PIP allow for archiving
files
that have been updated, and for moving files between different directories.
PRINTER
The Printer utility sets the list device for a particular console.
Several
consoles may share the same list device, but only one can "own" it at a
time.
PRLCOM
The PRL-to-COM utility creates an absolute executable (COMmand) file from
a
Page ReLocatable (PRL) file.
RDT
The RDT utility is a relocatable version of the Dynamic Debugging Tool
(DDT).
REN
The Rename utility renames MP/M II files.
SCHED
The MP/M Scheduler executes a specified program on a specified date, at
a
given time.
SDIR
The SDIR utility displays all types of MP/M II files, as well as their
size,
time and date stamps, and a notation as to whether or not the file
is
password-protected.
SET
The Set utility the setting of various file attributes and passwords.
These
attributes include Read-Only, SYS (invisible to DIR), and
user-defined
attributes.
SHOW
The Show utility displays information about the characteristics of a
logical
drive, such as capacity, number of directory entries and directory
label
information.
SPOOL
The Spool utility sends files to the spool queue for proper handling by
the
list device.
STAT
The Statistics utility displays the space, attribute and directory status
of
drives and files.
STOPSPLR
The STOPSPLR utility stops the spooling operation in progress, and empties
the
spool queue.
SUBMIT
The Submit utility executes files of commands, each of which may be a
program.
TOD
The Time Of Day utility displays or sets the system date and time.
TYPE
The Type utility types the specified ASCII file on the console.
USER
The User utility displays or sets the current user (directory) number.
Any or all of the above utilities may be password-protected for
increased
system security.
MP/M II Memory Organization
---------------------------
0FFFFH +------------------+--+
| Common | |
| BDOS, XDOS | | Common
| XIOS, DATA | | Memory
| Areas & Resident | | (13K - 16K)
| System Processes | |
+--+------------------+--+
| | Banked Portions |
(48K- | | of BDOS, XDOS, | +-----------+ +-----------+
51K) | | XIOS, DATA Areas,| | Transient | | Transient |
| | TMP & Banked | | Program | | Program |
| | Resident System | | Area (TPA)| | Area (TPA)|
| | Processes (RSP) | | | | |
000H +--+------------------+ +-----------+ +-----------+
Bank 0 Bank 1 Bank n
MP/M II Package
---------------
MP/M II is shipped on two single-sided, single-density, 8-inch diskettes
with
an IBM-compatible physical format. These diskettes contain the
following
machine readable files:
Distribution Disk 1
-------------------
BNKBDOS.SPR
MPMSTAT.RSP
SCHED.BRS
CONSOLE.PRL
ERA.PRL
PRINTER.PRL
SCHED.PRL
SPOOL.PRL
TOD.PRL
GENHEX.COM
LINK.COM
XREF.COM
RESBDOS.SPR
SCHED.RSP
SPOOL.BRS
DIR.PRL
ERAQ.PRL
PRLCOM.PRL
SDIR.PRL
STAT.PRL
TYPE.PRL
GENMOD.COM
LOAD.COM
XDOS.SPR
SPOOL.RSP
ABORT.PRL
DUMP.PRL
MPMSTAT.PRL
RDT.PRL
SET.PRL
STOPSPLR.PRL
USER.PRL
GENSYS.COM
MPMLDR.COM
ABORT.RSP
MPMSTAT.BRS
ASM.PRL
ED.PRL
PIP.COM
REN.PRL
SHOW.PRL
SUBMIT.PRL
DDT.COM
LIB.COM
RMAC.COM
Distribution Disk 2
-------------------
LDRBIOS.ASM
MDSXIOS.ASM
BOOT.ASM
BNKXIOS.ASM
DEBLOCK.ASM
TODCNV.ASM
DUMP.ASM
DISKDEF.LIB
System Performance Reporting
----------------------------
MP/M II is supported by Digital Research's Software Performance Report
(SPR)
system. This service provides a prompt response to technical
problems
associated with MP/M II. Users are provided with SPR forms which serve as
a
communications device to inform the Digital Research Product Support staff
of
user-identified problems. The SPR Status Report periodically informs MP/M
II
users of product updates and revisions.
Hardware Requirements
---------------------
- 8080/8085 or Z-80 microprocessor, 1 to 16 disk drives of up to
512
Megabytes capacity each, 1 to 16 ASCII consoles, 1 to 16 printers
and
a real-time closk.
- 48K of RAM
- CP/M 2.2 or MP/M 1.1 must be implemented on the target machine.
MP/M II Upgrade Kit
-------------------
This package converts MP/M 1.1 systems into MP/M II systems. It is
available
only to registered MP/M 1.1 users. Due to its new XIOS requirements, it
will
be necessary to reinstall MP/M II. System users unfamiliar with
assembly
language programming should purchase an MP/M II upgrade kit from
their
hardware manufacturer either directly or through a dealer.
Digital Research
----------------
Digital Research, Pacific Grove, CA is the leading producer of
microcomputer
operating systems and utilities. For eight years, Digital Research has
been
involved with the design, development and support of microcomputer
software.
The single user operating system CP/M, multiuser MP/M II and local
area
network CP/NET form the basis of a family of operating system
software
products spanning 8- and 16-bit microcomputers. Digital Research users
include
over 250,000 systems, 300 OEMs and 400 independent software houses.
Ordering Information
--------------------
Product Order Description
-------------- -----------------
MP/M II System Two 8" single-density, single-sided diskettes and
five
manuals, including the MAC and LINK-80 documentation.
MP/M II Doc Three manuals: "MP/M II User's Guide", "MP/M II
Programmer's
Guide", and "MP/M II System Guide".
EOF
Axel Berger
>> Beg to differ. Apricot F-series. Sanyo MBC-55x.
> DEC Rainbow. DECmate II with XPU. Attache with DOS add-on card. Victor.
Thanks, I never knew there were different versions of MS-DOS around.
But then the argument still holds -- you can't customize it yourself,
as you can CP/M, but need to buy the correct OS for the machine or vice
versa.
Axel Berger
>I often wonder why the translation in French of MicroShit stuff is so
>bad...
As your English is better than their French, why do you not do as I do
and use the original version?
Roger Ivie
It's primarily a problem of getting your hands on the appropriate
manual. I don't know how hard it was to get the documentation from
Microsoft, since I never tried. Development efforts I was involved with
that embedded an operating system either used stock PC-DOS, a customized
CP/M-80, RT-11 with a custom driver or two, or VMS.
For DR-DOS, documentation is (once again) available on-line over at
http://www.drdos.net/documentation/ In particular, take a look at
http://www.drdos.net/documentation/sysprog/httoc.htm
I don't know how complete the DR-DOS documentation is. It seems to
assume you have access to a "System Builder's Kit".
--
roger ivie
ri...@ridgenet.net
Tom Lake
"Axel Berger" <Axel_...@b.maus.de> wrote in message
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The point was that you could take MS-DOS from most vendors (Tandy 2000
and Sanyo MS-DOS were two exceptions) and run it. You couldn't run
Commodore CP/M on a Tandy Model 4, nor could you run Osborne CP/M
on a Kaypro. You couldn't even run some Kaypro CP/Ms on other Kaypros!
That was the point I was trying to make. It makes no difference to the point
I was making that the hardware has to be cloned. The fact remains that you
can't just download any old CP/M and expect it to work on your 8080 or Z-80
system whereas you have an excellent chance of downloading a copy of
MS-DOS and being able to run it on your 8088-based system. If the OP was
only familiar with MS-DOS systems, he may not have been aware of that fact.
Tom Lake
Udo Munk
> Hello, Udo!
>
>> To try MP/M (multiuser CP/M) without any download at all try telnet
>> www.unix4fun.org port 4050 or port 4051.
>
> I just did that!
...
> The problem, for a new comer, is that your MP/M system has precious little
> software. For example, I was surprised that there was not even a HELP
> available...
CP/M and MP/M manuals are at the well known web site. If I'm new to
something I read the manuals and I don't expect that an airplane
explains to me how to fly it, at least not an oldtimer one.
If you guys tell me which software you want on that MP/M system I can
copy that over, no problem. I just use it as a test machine and for that
it has everything I need.
> When you type DIR, you only see 4 or 5 files. If you don't how how to
> display SYStem files (different under MP/M-II than under CP/M Plus), you are
> in a endless loop.
If you are completely new to CP/M you won't even know to type dir for a
directory listing ;-) Now what?
> On my Hard Disk, somewhere, I have a text file explaining MP/M-II. Do you
> want it, so that people trying your MP/M-II system can read something about
> it?
I can copy it on that system, no problem. Personally I think reading PDF
manuals with a more comfortable system is better, but who knows, that's
just me.
> (Write me privately for the details.)
>
> (Also, you could put some "ASCII graphics" (like Snoopy) on the system. By
ASCII graphics, aha, good that I implemented a 512MB harddisk just to
see if that really would work with the 1981 DRI software. Now I know for
what to use the thing ;-)
> the way, the standard line telling which version of MP/M-II, and how much
> TPA, is available (the boot message), were not visible during my trial. I
> suggest to add them.)
I suggest to get familar with MP/M ;-) The boot messages is send once to
all terminals, if it was read it is gone. Someone was faster than you
and connected to the freshly rebootet the system and got that boot messages.
> Yours Sincerely,
> Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France
Udo Munk
Udo Munk
>
> Here is a suggestion: you could put the following file (renamed README.ASC)
> on the MP/M-II user number where the telnet-connected user arrives.
>
> Yours Sincerely,
> Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France
OK, will do.
Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France
> It's primarily a problem of getting your hands on the appropriate manual.
I was thinking so, until I disassembled the BIOS of CP/M-86 Plus, and found
myself faced to several hundred KBs of 8086 code, without any idea (or
theory) of what was going on. Now, I think that some experience writing
BIOSes and checking that the hardware answers correctly, is needed.
> For DR-DOS, documentation is (once again) available on-line over at
> http://www.drdos.net/documentation/ In particular, take a look at
> http://www.drdos.net/documentation/sysprog/httoc.htm
Wahoo! Very interesting! "The sample BIOS supplied with the DR-DOS System
Builder Kit is for the IBM PS2/AT/XT/PC or compatible machine." So, if I
could get this "DR-DOS OEM System Builder Kit", maybe I could re-use it for
CP/M-86 Plus?
> I don't know how complete the DR-DOS documentation is. It seems to
> assume you have access to a "System Builder's Kit".
This is also what I understand. And I have found:
DR-System Builder Kit
------------------------
At the foundation of Caldera, DR-SBK is an aggressive OEM support program to
lower the risk and decrease the time-to-market for OEMs that utilize DR-DOS
and DR-WebSpyder. Caldera provides OEMs with support, training and
consultancy services, with a pricing model that allows for flexibility in
selecting DR-DOS &/or DR-WebSpyder components for embedded use. DR-SBK
includes redistribution kits, printed and on-line documentation and OEM
tools for both DR-WebSpyder and DR-DOS, plus the kernel source code for
DR-DOS.
Availability & Pricing
---------------------
DR-DOS 7.02 began shipping on March 16 (1998) and is available for
individual and OEM usage. The pricing model begins at $29 for a single copy
of the entire DR-DOS system and aggressively scales to component-based
pricing for OEMs.
The DR-System Builder Kit (DR-SBK) is available immediately and costs $495.
Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France
> As your English is better than their French, why do you not do as I do
> and use the original version?
Me, get the Windows manuals?
In France, we have a saying (that I will try to translate): "You don't dine
with the Devil, even with a very, very long fork."
CBFalconer
Yes you can customize itself. The 'portable' MSDOS depends on the
bios calls via interrupts. It doesn't know about the hardware,
i.e. such things as locations of display memory, etc. The result
is slower.
CBFalconer
>
>
> Ha! My dream! To drop WinDoze, and go back to CP/M Plus...
>
>
> That is to say: Google Groups now uses UTF-8.
>
> I don't know how you read Usenet, but, with Google, the standard
> character set is now UTF-8 (since they need to display chars from
> as many countries as possible).
Google is a faulty Usenet server. And Microsoft software is
generally faulty, and ignores standards. A Usenet message should
carry the following header line:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
with the stuff after the '=' sign variable. That allows the
receiver to make the necessary adjustments.
Just mount something sane, such as Thunderbird, and get a
newsserver set up. Some candidates are:
Some free news servers. I use motzarella, teranews and gmane.
<http://www.teranews.com> (1 time charge) (free)
<http://news.aioe.org> (free)
<http://dotsrc.org> (free)
<http://www.x-privat.org/international.php> (free)
<http://motzarella.org/?language=en> (free)
<http://gmane.org/> (mail-lists via news) (free)
<http://www.newsfeeds.com/signup.htm> (pay)
<http://www.individual.net/ (low pay)
elaich
online.com:
> If you guys tell me which software you want on that MP/M system I can
> copy that over, no problem. I just use it as a test machine and for that
> it has everything I need.
Ah, what memories that would bring back. Would be nice to play around with
Wordstar, Condor Jr., dBase, WordPerfect 5.1 again.
William Munroe
<roch...@laposte.net> said:
Just out of curiosity, do you happen to have a reference of this
article? It sounds pretty interesting!
Mr. Emmanuel Roche, France
> > There was a series of articles, in MicroSystems, explaining how to port
> > MS-DOS to non IBM Clown hardware. The article I read talked about a
S-100
> > Bus implementation of MS-DOS.
> Just out of curiosity, do you happen to have a reference of this
> article? It sounds pretty interesting!
??? This is the comp.os.CPM Newsgroup, not MeSs-DOS...
Anyway, I am back from the library. Despite a half-an-hour search, I was
unable to find the stack of MicroSystems magazines. I have the first 10
years of DDJ, and re-found the Foglight newsletters, but impossible to find
the MicroSystems. I only had about a dozen, that were given to me by others
CP/M Old Timers in France.
Year after year, my problem is to get copies of articles that were once
published in some long-dead microcomputer magazines. It is a pity that there
is no CP/M User's Group in the USA which could store and archive those
magazines. Last year, I read a page from a Californian computer museum,
saying that they were receiving so much stuff that 99% was going to the
garbage bin...
They did not have the idea to store it and sell it on eBay! The Americans
are really rich. They don't mind trashing anything more than 6 months old.
Me, I kept using daily my Epson QX-10 during 15 years, and I wish that I
could find as good a screen on the IBM Clowns (but I know that it is
impossible, and will be more and more impossible. If my eyesight worsens, I
will be obliged to go back to the QX-10. The equivalent simply does not
exist among the IBM Clowns.)
So, sorry, but I am unable to answer your request. I am 100% percent that I
am not making an error, and can even say that it was published in the second
version of MicroSystems, called, if I remember well, Micro Systems, when Sol
Libes re-bought the title that a commercial company had dropped.