Re: Available S-100 board PCBs

[dott.Piergiorgio]

Il 08/06/2013 18:20, lynchaj ha scritto:
> Hi!
>
> Here is an update on available S-100 board PCBs! I've sent out many
> of the PCBs and they are almost gone. You can use these boards to
> repair/upgrade your legacy S-100 CP/M computer to use IDE PATA hard
> drives or CF using an adapter.
>
> There are seventeen (17) of the S-100 IDE V2 reorder PCBs available.
>
> http://s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/IDE%20Board/My%20IDE%20Card.htm
>
> The S-100 PCBs cost the same as before ($20 each). However due to
> unforeseen extreme price increases in shipping by USPS I am forced to
> change shipping costs.
>
> Shipping in the US will be $3 for a single PCB and $2 for each
> additional PCB. Shipping internationally will be $10 for a single PCB
> and $3 for each additional PCB. This is for the bare basics USPS
> first class postage with no tracking or insurance. The builder
> assumes all risk of delivery as per usual arrangement.
>
> I apologize for the large price increase on shipping but this is out
> of my hands. The USPS is in dire financial trouble and is raising
> prices on shipping. It affects us all and is most unfortunate. These
> boards are provided "at cost" so there is no margin to absorb any
> shipping price increases. I have to pass them along.

I don't know in the US, but for sure in Italy there's a malpractice of
inflating (& pocketing) S&H prices; I don't have an actual interest in
those boards, but in past here on c.o.cpm was some heated debate on
prices & margin of profit, so I prefer to preempt major flames, pointing
in advance the potential flashpoints....

Best regards from Italy,
dott. Piergiorgio.

[dott.Piergiorgio]

Il 12/06/2013 17:44, Jim Higgins ha scritto:

>> I don't know in the US, but for sure in Italy there's a malpractice of
>> inflating (& pocketing) S&H prices; I don't have an actual interest in
>> those boards, but in past here on c.o.cpm was some heated debate on
>> prices & margin of profit, so I prefer to preempt major flames, pointing
>> in advance the potential flashpoints....

> Wow! Rather than throw out this outrageous form of inuendo which Mr
> Lynch has chosen to be an absolute gentleman about... if you would
> simply take your personal knowledge of typical S-100 board size and
> weight and imagine a suitable package around it and then look up the
> applicable postage for that package (including the cost and weight of
> the package itself) you would find the proposed shipping charge is not
> padded or inflated. Perhaps OTHERS have done as you describe, but
> that is not the present case.

as Lynch surely has noticed better than you (that I'm from Italy should
NOT trick you :P ) I wasn't accusing (lynching ? ;D) Mr. Lynch, but
simply pointing that often (not necessarily only in Italy) people (and
even businesses) pads/inflate S&H, and I have witnesses & endured too
many flames on this or similar accusations, that I'm inclined towards
doing a "pre-emptive fire control", so to speak....

> Wait a minute; I'm not done here. If a typical S-100 board could be
> safely shipped in a 8x12 manilla envelope - about as light as you can
> get as far as packaging goes - the above charges aren't inflated. In
> a decent box that actually protects the board that price is an
> absolute bargain.

well, currently in an Italian NG on retrocomputing is ongoing the usual
debate & critique about the usual extremely rough handling of Italian
parcelmen, and if a S-100 board is sent here inside a simple manilla
envelope, I'm 100% sure that will arrive totally destroyed....

From Italy,
Dott. Piergiorgio.

[dott.Piergiorgio]

Il 16/06/2013 18:37, Jim Higgins ha scritto:

>> well, currently in an Italian NG on retrocomputing is ongoing the usual
>> debate & critique about the usual extremely rough handling of Italian
>> parcelmen, and if a S-100 board is sent here inside a simple manilla
>> envelope, I'm 100% sure that will arrive totally destroyed....
>

> Of course, but that wasn't the point. The point was that the quoted
> postage to send it via that method wasn't inflated even if the
> packaging was minimal and didn't need any inuendo from you that it
> might be. With adequate packaging the price quoted was a bargain, not
> inflated to increase profit margin.
>
> You've been a respected contributor to this group in the past, but you
> were way out of line this time.

OK I have get the actual issue, happened also in other english-language
NG/forums, so, well, let's point some aspects:

Italian language (and hence Italian thinking) is full of implicits
subjects and objects, and even implicit verbs (e.g. we don't wrote, nor
think "io sono" ("I am") but "sono", literally "am" and omitting
obvious, or perceived obvious, things in debates came natural for an
Italian (in another words, I think in *Italian*...) and there's things
lost in translation, namely leaving in the implicit that lynchaj, being
also a respected contributor, is not the subject, nor the object of
critique.

So if I have an apology to do to you, is that I haven't duly weighted &
assessed the limits of English language...

Also, because you're actually igniting a flame shows that the core
rationale of my contested post IS correct, or I'm wrong ?

[Charles Richmond]

"Jim Higgins" <ILi...@Privacy.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:18:33 +0200, in
> <ZX2ut.15307$iY1....@tornado.fastwebnet.it>, "dott.Piergiorgio"
> <chied...@ask.me> wrote:
>
>> [snip...] [snip...]
>> [snip...]

>>
>>well, currently in an Italian NG on retrocomputing is ongoing the usual
>>debate & critique about the usual extremely rough handling of Italian
>>parcelmen, and if a S-100 board is sent here inside a simple manilla
>>envelope, I'm 100% sure that will arrive totally destroyed....
>

> Of course, but that wasn't the point. The point was that the quoted
> postage to send it via that method wasn't inflated even if the
> packaging was minimal and didn't need any inuendo from you that it
> might be. With adequate packaging the price quoted was a bargain, not
> inflated to increase profit margin.
>
> You've been a respected contributor to this group in the past, but you
> were way out of line this time.

I have a most excellent suggestion: anyone who has a problem with the
pricing, shipping options, or any other terms of sale of the S-100 boards...
just do *not* order the boards! *No* one is trying to force any person to
order these boards.

As to the vagaries of the Italian Postal Service... I do *not* think anyone
in the <comp.os.cpm> group can have much effect on them.

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