anybody using Netbsd?
Angelos Karageorgiou Greek and Macedon the only combination
netbsd ? I mean I want/need a unix system after the hoopla between
386bsd and netbsd I am very confused as to the stability of either .
I read .os.linux and people there seem to do work using linux,
is netbsd at the same level or should I give it a couple of months to
stabilize ? I am a BSD man since the days of old SUNOSs and ULTRIXes
and I would really hate to go to the _other_ group :-)
Anybody want to enlighten me , and other lost souls , out here ?
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> So I might be naive or something but are there people using
>netbsd ? I mean I want/need a unix system after the hoopla between
>386bsd and netbsd I am very confused as to the stability of either .
> I read .os.linux and people there seem to do work using linux,
>is netbsd at the same level or should I give it a couple of months to
>stabilize ? I am a BSD man since the days of old SUNOSs and ULTRIXes
>and I would really hate to go to the _other_ group :-)
> Anybody want to enlighten me , and other lost souls , out here ?
Hi,
Yes there are people using NetBSD. I currently use it to write
documents using LaTeX and Emacs (18.58) as well as to develop networking
software on. It's a reasonably mature system as far as I can tell and
what problems I have had have been solved by the very nice people at
UC Berkeley (thanks Chris). It's a fully usable system IMHO.
I run it on a Compaq Contura laptop with 8M RAM, 121M Conner
hard drive.
One of my co-workers runs the same machine with NetBSD and X and
likes that as well.
Later,
George
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Ken Hornstein
> So I might be naive or something but are there people using
>netbsd ? I mean I want/need a unix system after the hoopla between
>386bsd and netbsd I am very confused as to the stability of either .
> I read .os.linux and people there seem to do work using linux,
>is netbsd at the same level or should I give it a couple of months to
>stabilize ? I am a BSD man since the days of old SUNOSs and ULTRIXes
>and I would really hate to go to the _other_ group :-)
I run it here for a prof. I've love it, it's much better than Linux ....
I'm going to reboot it again and again!
But seriously, I love it. It's really great. I can't recommend it enough.
The NetBSD gang did a really great job (_except_ for the installation procedue,
but nobody's perfect :-) ).
--Ken
Nick Cuccia
>But seriously, I love it. It's really great. I can't recommend it enough.
>The NetBSD gang did a really great job (_except_ for the installation procedue,
>but nobody's perfect :-) ).
I'm still trying to figure out what the gripe is regarding NetBSD's installation
procedures. I found that the installation of NetBSD went much smoother than
my initial installation of 386bsd. There was one area that was kind of
confusing--the section where the kernel is copied--but other than that, the
installation procedure was far superior to that of 386BSD.
--Nick
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Chris G. Demetriou
>I'm still trying to figure out what the gripe is regarding NetBSD's installation
>procedures. I found that the installation of NetBSD went much smoother than
>my initial installation of 386bsd.
thoughts:
(1) people needed to know their drive geometries, rather than have
an install program guess, and, in lots of cases, get it wrong...
(the 386bsd 0.1 install program did *bad things*... e.g.,
on my cp3100 disk on boat-anchor, the swap partition overran
the end of the disk by like 2M...)
the reason that no install program was done was simply because
nobody wrote one; i didn't have time, and nobody did it, so...
(2) people had to pick sizes for their partitions.
some could say that this makes installation more difficult,
i see it as nothing other than a big win...
chris
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Mark Ganter
>(2) people had to pick sizes for their partitions.
> some could say that this makes installation more difficult,
> i see it as nothing other than a big win...
>Chris G. Demetriou c...@cs.berkeley.edu
Chris, I for one would like to publically say that I really like the
ability to make size choices for the partitions. It is the ONLY intelligent
choice. Example: If you add more memory you might want to change swap size.
So, my current system has only 8MB of memory but will have 16 MB soon. So,
an autoinstall would size my swap to 16MB of disk but I know I want 32MB. I
don't have to reinstall due to change in memory. I choose 32MB of swap at
install. Thank you for being able to have a choice....Mark
Mark Ganter/Univ of Washington/Seattle,WA 98195 USA/gan...@u.washington.edu
TDG SANDFORD
: c...@eden.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Chris G. Demetriou) writes:
: >(2) people had to pick sizes for their partitions.
: > some could say that this makes installation more difficult,
: > i see it as nothing other than a big win...
: >Chris G. Demetriou c...@cs.berkeley.edu
: Chris, I for one would like to publically say that I really like the
: ability to make size choices for the partitions. It is the ONLY intelligent
: .....
It would however be nice if the install process were able to make some
intelligent guesses, both for disk geometry and also for partition sizes,
and offered these as defaults - thus helping the novice user while not
preventing the more experienced user from customising their own setup.
IMHO, for the *novice* user, the NetBSD installation is less good than the
386bsd installation - though it is much more powerful. For the moderately
experienced user the opposite probably applies.
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Chris G. Demetriou
=>It would however be nice if the install process were able to make some
=>intelligent guesses, both for disk geometry and also for partition sizes,
=>and offered these as defaults - thus helping the novice user while not
=>preventing the more experienced user from customising their own setup.
umm, unfortunately, because of time and manpower constraints, that
wasn't really possible. we hope to have a better install program
for 0.9 and 1.0...
(you'll note that i *did* try to give useful hints in the install
documentation for partition sizes, but even those weren't that great,
and obviously hints for disk geometry would be useless...)
=>IMHO, for the *novice* user, the NetBSD installation is less good than the
=>386bsd installation - though it is much more powerful. For the moderately
=>experienced user the opposite probably applies.
i'd agree with that, i think... (but hey, it's really easy for
me to install... but then, i've sorta got my disk geometries
memorized by now... 8-)
we're hoping to do something about that for 0.9...
chris
who's planning to announce something about source updates RSN... 8-)
Eric J. Haug
I would prefer not having a swap partition at all.
The Ridge operating system just took whatever it needed from the
free space on disk, guess writing an OS in Pascal allowed that. :-)
I have a tendancy to lump all filesystems in one partition.
That partition contains most of the quickly needed programs
the rest is on a file server somewhere, so not having to worry
about any partitioning would be a win.
(I am completely comfortable with hand installing NetBSD or 386BSD
and determing root, swap, and usr partitions using pen and paper
though it would be nice to have dc on the distribution disk ;-) )
eric
Theo de Raadt
386bsd installation - though it is much more powerful. For the moderately
experienced user the opposite probably applies.
Novice users, as we all know, would never need more than 5M of virtual
memory.
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