[REPOST] Details on the 386BSD Release 1.0 CD-ROM
Jesus Monroy Jr
As many news sites have lost the original posting
I am *REPOSTING* the original article for those
that seem to be confused.
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Friends and Fans of 386BSD,
It is my pleasure to annotate the jounrals of the
newgroups with the long awaited release of 386bsd RELEASE 1.0
That's right, RELEASE 1.0, in the June 1994 issue of
Dr Dobb's journal on page 153 it will be noted:
"Crack open a truly Open system!"
"386BSd Reference CD-ROM"
"by William and Lynne Jolitz"
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James Michael Chacon
>
> As many news sites have lost the original posting
> I am *REPOSTING* the original article for those
> that seem to be confused.
>
So, is it just your intention to keep reposting this until possibly someone
other than yourself actaully believes in the magic of Bill?
James
Rick Kelly
:
: As many news sites have lost the original posting
: I am *REPOSTING* the original article for those
: that seem to be confused.
JESUS!!! (No, that doesn't sound right.)
CHRIST!!! (No, that sounds worse.)
You are waving around vaporware in the faces of a group of people who have
two (2) viable free BSD solutions and one commercial BSD solution.
NetBSD, FreeBSD, and BSDI are all being used for serious work. They are
reasonably stable for production and development. They can be fixed up
with all the latest UNIX weenie PD toys.
386BSD 1.0 may be the operating system straight from GOD himself ( although
I thought that was Plan 9), but spamming people with hype about something
that they can't acquire is a total wast of energy, bandwidth, and the UARTS
in my system.
*PLONK*
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Jesus Monroy Jr
: Jesus Monroy Jr (jmo...@netcom.com) wrote:
: :
: : As many news sites have lost the original posting
: : I am *REPOSTING* the original article for those
: : that seem to be confused.
: :
: JESUS!!! (No, that doesn't sound right.)
: CHRIST!!! (No, that sounds worse.)
: You are waving around vaporware in the faces of a group of people who have
: two (2) viable free BSD solutions and one commercial BSD solution.
:
I'm making an honest effort to answer people's question
about 386bsd 1.0. That is the purpose of this
newsgroup. Your supposition lacks with real regard.
: NetBSD, FreeBSD, and BSDI are all being used for serious work. They are
: reasonably stable for production and development. They can be fixed up
: with all the latest UNIX weenie PD toys.
:
Weenie PD toys?
You're asking for flames ... buddy.
: 386BSD 1.0 may be the operating system straight from GOD himself ( although
: I thought that was Plan 9), but spamming people with hype about something
: that they can't acquire is a total wast of energy, bandwidth, and the UARTS
: in my system.
:
If your UARTS are having problems, try the National Semiconductor
uP16550AF chip.
Jesus Monroy Jr
:
My REPOST is in response to the question:
What is 386bsd Release 1.0?
If you feel my response is not correct,
please inform me as to what you would feel my be
the most appropriate response.
Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.
> I'm making an honest effort to answer people's question
> about 386bsd 1.0. That is the purpose of this
> newsgroup. Your supposition lacks with real regard.
"This newsgroup" is a massive cross-posting that you've created. One of the
groups is comp.unix.bsd, which has a description of "Discussion of Berkeley
Software Distribution Unix.". Most of your postings have little or no relevance
to this group when there is a more appropriate specific set of newsgroups
(comp.os.386bsd.*) available. If you (and everyone who continues to try to
have a rational discussion with you, despite evidence it's not possible) would
set followups to a single group (and _not_ comp.unix.bsd) I'd be a lot happier,
and I suspect lots of other folks would as well.
In article <jmonroyC...@netcom.com>, jmo...@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes:
> If you feel my response is not correct,
> please inform me as to what you would feel my be
> the most appropriate response.
Go mountain climbing. Or hang out at the beach. In any event, go do something
relaxing. Life is too short for the amount of stress you're causing yourself.
Terry Kennedy Operations Manager, Academic Computing
te...@spcvxa.spc.edu St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA
+1 201 915 9381 (voice) +1 201 435-3662 (FAX)
James Michael Chacon
>James Michael Chacon (j...@ksu.ksu.edu) wrote:
>: jmo...@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes:
>: >
>: > As many news sites have lost the original posting
>: > I am *REPOSTING* the original article for those
>: > that seem to be confused.
>: >
>: So, is it just your intention to keep reposting this until possibly someone
>: other than yourself actaully believes in the magic of Bill?
>:
> My REPOST is in response to the question:
>
> What is 386bsd Release 1.0?
It's all fine and dandy to answer the question, but from what I've seen
here no one's asking.......Besides yourself, who here (and in all the 14 other
newsgroups you posted to) has asked about 1.0? Before your repeated spamming,
I saw nothing anywhere about this.
From the past history of Bill and Lynn, most people have very little faith
in waiting for vaporware from them anymore....Yet, you keep posting and
reposting this dribble I guess in the vain hope someone somewhere will stand
up for it too...
James
Jesus Monroy Jr
: >James Michael Chacon (j...@ksu.ksu.edu) wrote:
: >: jmo...@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes:
: >: >
: >: > As many news sites have lost the original posting
: >: > I am *REPOSTING* the original article for those
: >: > that seem to be confused.
: >: >
: >: So, is it just your intention to keep reposting this until possibly someone
: >: other than yourself actaully believes in the magic of Bill?
: >:
: > My REPOST is in response to the question:
: >
: > What is 386bsd Release 1.0?
: From the past history of Bill and Lynn, most people have very little faith
: in waiting for vaporware from them anymore....Yet, you keep posting and
: reposting this dribble I guess in the vain hope someone somewhere will stand
: up for it too...
:
I love the word "most", as if it real had some value, it
is tossed from room to room.... and the validity for your
unmeasured response is overwhelming....
BTW, it's drivel.... I've been told.. :-)
Touche', Jesus!
James Michael Chacon
>James Michael Chacon (j...@ksu.ksu.edu) wrote:
>: From the past history of Bill and Lynn, most people have very little faith
>: in waiting for vaporware from them anymore....Yet, you keep posting and
>: reposting this dribble I guess in the vain hope someone somewhere will stand
>: up for it too...
>:
> I love the word "most", as if it real had some value, it
> is tossed from room to room.... and the validity for your
> unmeasured response is overwhelming....
> BTW, it's drivel.... I've been told.. :-)
Ok, since you obviously keep posting this stuff since someone else wants
to see it to, who is that? I have yet to see anyone defending
386bsd 1.0 (or should I say vaporware?) other than yourself. I can draw
enough of a conclusion just from that.
Lets do a quick scan back through looking at all the threads started by
your announcement...I see no one supporting 386bsd anymore, and as a matter
of fact I see only you. And in what seems a desparate attempt to find anyone
who will support it, you continually repost the same garbage over and over
again like it's something wonderful and new.
I could understand reposting this announcement if someone actaully gave a
damn, but no one seems to....
James
Jordan K. Hubbard
Jesus Monroy Jr <jmo...@netcom.com> wrote:
> Who's defending 386bsd release 1.0?
> I am simply making announcement as to it availability.
That's funny, since it's NOT available yet!
Its Maybeavailablilty? Have we coined a new marketing term?
> If you'd like to draw a conclusion from something, think
> about this: why are some many people (and I won't name names)
> bad mouthing something they haven't seen, especially since
> they were at the SVNET meeting -- like I?
Because we're not. We're bad mouthing YOU, Jesus, for hyping
something YOU haven't seen! As far as 386bsd 1.0 is concerned,
what's to badmouth? We haven't the faintest idea what's _actually_
in it! And don't tell me that what's in it is what Bill says is in it,
since he always says that just about EVERYTHING is in it if you ask him!
Given a choice between Bill's word and the actual source the look at,
I'll take the source any time. If I ever get the chance, that is.
> Is it possible that the new features that Bill is adding
> have not made it to the other *bsd variants? Are the
I dunno, Jesus - you tell us!
> other *bsd variants afraid that if I start talking about
> the new features..... that maybe they'll look bad?
Naw, our vaporware beats Bill's vaporware any day! Just the other
day I was talking about the SMP and full Windows emulation support
in FreeBSD 9.7 with some of the other core team members. Did you
know that 10.0 has the full ability to run on everything from
crays to casio wristwatches? S'true - I wouldn't lie to you, Jesus.
Jordan
Jesus Monroy Jr
: >James Michael Chacon (j...@ksu.ksu.edu) wrote:
: >: From the past history of Bill and Lynn, most people have very little faith
: >: in waiting for vaporware from them anymore....Yet, you keep posting and
: >: reposting this dribble I guess in the vain hope someone somewhere will stand
: >: up for it too...
: >:
: > I love the word "most", as if it real had some value, it
: > is tossed from room to room.... and the validity for your
: > unmeasured response is overwhelming....
: > BTW, it's drivel.... I've been told.. :-)
: Ok, since you obviously keep posting this stuff since someone else wants
: to see it to, who is that?
:
I don't keep a list. As it is incoveint.
: I have yet to see anyone defending
: 386bsd 1.0 (or should I say vaporware?) other than yourself. I can draw
: enough of a conclusion just from that.
:
Who's defending 386bsd release 1.0?
I am simply making announcement as to it availability.
Further, if you'd like to dicuss some of the real features
of 386bsd release 1.0, I will post the features mentioned
by Bill at the SVNET metting....
If you'd like to draw a conclusion from something, think
about this: why are some many people (and I won't name names)
bad mouthing something they haven't seen, especially since
they were at the SVNET meeting -- like I?
Is it possible that the new features that Bill is adding
have not made it to the other *bsd variants? Are the
other *bsd variants afraid that if I start talking about
the new features..... that maybe they'll look bad?
you tell me!
: Lets do a quick scan back through looking at all the threads started by
: your announcement...I see no one supporting 386bsd anymore, and as a matter
: of fact I see only you. And in what seems a desparate attempt to find anyone
: who will support it, you continually repost the same garbage over and over
: again like it's something wonderful and new.
:
Anymore? hardly a valid claim.
Repost of the same garbage?
Next thing you'll tell me is that the weekly announcements
of the *bsd mailing list on comp.os.386bsd.announce is
reposted garbage!... Hardly!
: I could understand reposting this announcement if someone actaully gave a
: damn, but no one seems to....
:
It's obvious as to your position.
Lastly, to complement your ignorance, thse newsgroups
are for 386bsd and information about the Unix OS.
Maybe you'd prefer working with NT.
Peter da Silva
Jesus Monroy, Jr.
> I am simply making announcement as to it availability.
> Further, if you'd like to dicuss some of the real features
> of 386bsd release 1.0, I will post the features mentioned
> by Bill at the SVNET metting....
If you *have* to post anything, at least that would be information.
--
COBOL is the Harley-Davidson of programming languages.
Bhiksha Raj
|>
|> Naw, our vaporware beats Bill's vaporware any day! Just the other
|> day I was talking about the SMP and full Windows emulation support
|> in FreeBSD 9.7 with some of the other core team members. Did you
|> know that 10.0 has the full ability to run on everything from
|> crays to casio wristwatches? S'true - I wouldn't lie to you, Jesus.
I wouldnt make such powerful statements if I were you Jordan.
Considering the rate of the FreeBSD releases, 10.0 may not be very far off...
And if it couldnt run on a casio wristwatch you'd have to eat these words :-)
bhiksha
Othman bin Hj. Ahmad
> jmo...@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes:
>
> >James Michael Chacon (j...@ksu.ksu.edu) wrote:
.....
> Ok, since you obviously keep posting this stuff since someone else wants
> to see it to, who is that? I have yet to see anyone defending
I do. So stop saying that nobody cares. When linux and 386bsd was just
started, they all cross-posted to other groups. 386bsd 1.0 is revolutionary
in concept that it is worthwhile to post to many newsgroups.
The revolution is in the built-in book on internals of BSD.
> 386bsd 1.0 (or should I say vaporware?) other than yourself. I can draw
> enough of a conclusion just from that.
There are people who are willing to wait just as we had waited for a more
stable *BSD and Linux, not that I'm against any of these groups.
Whatever weakness the Jolitzes had, it is their right to pursue it
the way they want it to.
>
> Lets do a quick scan back through looking at all the threads started by
> your announcement...I see no one supporting 386bsd anymore, and as a matter
Many people support it in silence.
> of fact I see only you. And in what seems a desparate attempt to find anyone
> who will support it, you continually repost the same garbage over and over
What he posted was not garbage and I appreciate its contents and
understand its lack of info at the moment.
> again like it's something wonderful and new.
>
> I could understand reposting this announcement if someone actaully gave a
> damn, but no one seems to....
Don't try to speak on behalf of other people. Futhermore, loundness does not
always mean popularity and rightness.
Disclaimer: I only speak for myself.
SABAH is Heaven.
Perpetual Clear Blue Sky, Sea and Mountains near modern civilisations,
but how long will this last?
Jordan K. Hubbard
I wouldnt make such powerful statements if I were you Jordan.
Considering the rate of the FreeBSD releases, 10.0 may not be very far off...
And if it couldnt run on a casio wristwatch you'd have to eat these words :-)
Hmmmm. Then I guess we'd have to delay and delay and delay the
release until we got the Casio stuff working, and in the meantime
everyone would go off and run a different *BSD. You're right - that
would be too foolish a strategy to contemplate.. :-)
Jordan
Glen Foster
:
:members. Did you
:know that 10.0 has the full ability to run on everything from
:crays to casio wristwatches? S'true - I wouldn't lie to you, Jesus.
:
: Jordan
At last, BSD on a machine with a decent real-time clock! I really looking
forward to this one!
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Glen Foster <fos...@css.gov>
Jesus Monroy Jr
: In article <jmonroyC...@netcom.com>,
: Jesus Monroy Jr <jmo...@netcom.com> wrote:
: > Who's defending 386bsd release 1.0?
: > I am simply making announcement as to it availability.
: That's funny, since it's NOT available yet!
:
This is silly. I am making my points quite clear, but you
insist on reitereating (sp?) my points with some
sense of antagonism.
: > If you'd like to draw a conclusion from something, think
: > about this: why are some many people (and I won't name names)
: > bad mouthing something they haven't seen, especially since
: > they were at the SVNET meeting -- like I?
: Because we're not. We're bad mouthing YOU, Jesus, for hyping
: something YOU haven't seen! As far as 386bsd 1.0 is concerned,
: what's to badmouth? We haven't the faintest idea what's _actually_
: in it! And don't tell me that what's in it is what Bill says is in it,
: since he always says that just about EVERYTHING is in it if you ask him!a
:
Not true!. You know as well as I do what's in it.
And I'm going to change the subject of this conversation
and now begin to talk about the features of 386bsd release 1.0.
: > Is it possible that the new features that Bill is adding
: > have not made it to the other *bsd variants? Are the
: I dunno, Jesus - you tell us!
:
OK..We'll find out them.
: > other *bsd variants afraid that if I start talking about
: > the new features..... that maybe they'll look bad?
: Naw, our vaporware beats Bill's vaporware any day! Just the other
: day I was talking about the SMP and full Windows emulation support
: in FreeBSD 9.7 with some of the other core team members. Did you
: know that 10.0 has the full ability to run on everything from
: crays to casio wristwatches? S'true - I wouldn't lie to you, Jesus.
:
I guess your making my point on how silly this conversation
is getting.
Terry Lambert
] > the new features..... that maybe they'll look bad?
]
] Naw, our vaporware beats Bill's vaporware any day! Just the other
] day I was talking about the SMP and full Windows emulation support
] in FreeBSD 9.7 with some of the other core team members. Did you
] know that 10.0 has the full ability to run on everything from
] crays to casio wristwatches? S'true - I wouldn't lie to you, Jesus.
Actually, the movie "Die Hard" gave a sneak preview of BSD 9.2.
I don't think you can really talk about 10.0 in any serious way,
since it's only in the planning stages. That was just a mockup in
Jurassic Park.
Terry Lambert
te...@cs.weber.edu
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Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
or previous employers.
Andy Mell
: If your UARTS are having problems, try the National Semiconductor
: uP16550AF chip.
Actually, the AF variant is buggy, but not as buggy as A. The best and most
reliable is the 16550AFN.
Andy
Jim McKim
opposed to ceramic or whatever.
Phil Homewood
: Don't try to speak on behalf of other people. Futhermore, loundness does not
: always mean popularity and rightness.
As evidenced oh so well on these newsgroups.
Phil.
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APANA Brisbane Regional Co-Ordinator bris...@apana.org.au
"If you need me, me and Neil'll be hanging out with the Dream King"
Marc Anthony
Does anyone know if 386BSD will run on a Thinkpad 500?
Is there anything I should be aware of?
Will it work with the little IBM pointing device thingee?
Thanks
Marc.
--
I telnetted to whitehouse.gov, and all I got was this lousy .signature!
Jesus Monroy Jr
: Does anyone know if 386BSD will run on a Thinkpad 500?
:
For 386bsd Release 1.0, there is no information,
as of yet, as to which machines are directly supported.
This includes, of course, a list of Laptop, Plamtops
and PDAs.
: Is there anything I should be aware of?
:
Yes, 386bsd release 1.0 is available for ordering
on CD-ROM from Doctor Dobbs Journal, but *NO* CD
have shipped as of this date.
If time is of concearn, you might want to see if
FreeBSD or NetBSD have support for the Thinkpad 500.
: Will it work with the little IBM pointing device thingee?
:
Sorry again, I will release information as I get it.
386BSD Release 1.0 is expect out this month.
My real expectation is that CDs will arrive in
October or November.
: --
: I telnetted to whitehouse.gov, and all I got was this lousy .signature!
Paul Pries
: : jmo...@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes:
:
: : [Garbage nuked]
: : :
: : : 386BSD Release 1.0 is expect out this month.
: : : My real expectation is that CDs will arrive in
: : : October or November.
: : What year? This? Next? 2025? Thats when I'm retired....
: :
: Of course, I should have realized that I was
: talking about BSD type software.....
: To be clear... I meant this year.
:
Awww, that's not fair. You shouldn't say "BSD type software" when
you really mean vapourware.
On the other hand, who cares? I don't. I waited 6 months for the
release of 386BSD-0.2, and you-know-who said "real soon now".
It didn't arrive. That made me choose FreeBSD, and I haven't
regretted it once.
I'm not sure if I'd switch even if the boogeyman himself slammed
a 386BSD-1.0 CD in my face. I kind'a like what I've got...
(Btw, I trimmed the crossposting list... ;-))
/Paul.
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: Jesus Monroy Jr jmo...@netcom.com
: Zebra Research
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: ___________________________________________________________________________
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Udo Wolter
»jmo...@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes:
»: Paul Pries (pa...@pp2.smc.south.telia.se) wrote:
»: : jmo...@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes:
»:
»: : [Garbage nuked]
»: : :
»: : : 386BSD Release 1.0 is expect out this month.
»: : : My real expectation is that CDs will arrive in
»: : : October or November.
»: : :
»: : What year? This? Next? 2025? Thats when I'm retired....
»: :
»: Of course, I should have realized that I was
»: talking about BSD type software.....
»: To be clear... I meant this year.
»:
»Awww, that's not fair. You shouldn't say "BSD type software" when
»you really mean vapourware.
»On the other hand, who cares? I don't. I waited 6 months for the
»release of 386BSD-0.2, and you-know-who said "real soon now".
That's a real good point here ! It was the same for me.
»It didn't arrive. That made me choose FreeBSD, and I haven't
»regretted it once.
Yes, so did I.
»I'm not sure if I'd switch even if the boogeyman himself slammed
»a 386BSD-1.0 CD in my face. I kind'a like what I've got...
I think I would try it, if I'd have another PC to test it. But the real
question is: will it live longer than 386bsd 0.1 ? The fact that the Jolitzes
don't like the InterNet and let Jesus Monroy speak for them is a little
irritating. All free Systems (ok 386BSD won't be really "free") live from this
network and the people who work with them. These Systems can only grow that
fast because the network makes them grow fast. Without this network FreeBSD,
NetBSD & Linux wouldn't have this amount of users and they wouldn't have such a
quality (I can only speak for FreeBSD and this is really professional now) !
I think 386BSD will die without network-interaction. And Jesus alone just make
a bad advertising, so this system can only lose friends if it ever comes out.
Bye,
Udo
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Paul Pries
[Garbage nuked]
:
: 386BSD Release 1.0 is expect out this month.
: My real expectation is that CDs will arrive in
: October or November.
:
What year? This? Next? 2025? Thats when I'm retired....
Paul.
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Paul Pries
pa...@smc.south.telia.se
Jesus Monroy Jr
: jmo...@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes:
: [Garbage nuked]
: :
: : 386BSD Release 1.0 is expect out this month.
: : My real expectation is that CDs will arrive in
: : October or November.
: :
: What year? This? Next? 2025? Thats when I'm retired....
:
Of course, I should have realized that I was
talking about BSD type software.....
To be clear... I meant this year.
--
Brian D. Howard
are paying real money and *actually* getting product> please desist
from vapid vacuous statements regarding thoughts on future.
erns...@ctech.ac.za
>Subject: Re: [REPOST] Details on the 386BSD Release 1.0 CD-ROM
>From: am...@cup.cam.ac.uk (Andy Mell)
>Date: 4 Sep 1994 01:40:50 GMT
>Andy
I just got a tube with PC16550DN chips, genuine Nationals - got the '~~'
emblem - was are they??? New revison 16550s?
Ernst
Ross Alexander
>Subject: Re: [REPOST] Details on the 386BSD Release 1.0 CD-ROM
>From: am...@cup.cam.ac.uk (Andy Mell)
>Date: 4 Sep 1994 01:40:50 GMT
>Jesus Monroy Jr (jmo...@netcom.com) wrote:
>: If your UARTS are having problems, try the National Semiconductor
>: uP16550AF chip.
>Actually, the AF variant is buggy, but not as buggy as A. The best and most
>reliable is the 16550AFN.
>Andy
Since the trailing N in AFN is just a packaging code (epoxy DIP) and
has nothing to do with the die revision (AF) or the part type (16550)
I'm very interested in knowing what you think this difference in bugs
is, exactly. I do agree that the 16550A (or AN) had problems.
regards,
Ross
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Jim Bachesta
Jesus,
Please refrain from posting on the net if you have nothing to say.
I know I would appreciate it.
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