Latest release of 386bsd
Gary D. Duzan
=>Hi,
=>
=> Has the latest version 0.2 of 386bsd has been released? If not,
=>
=> does anyone know when it's likely to be released ?
=>
Just got this in the mail...
Gary D. Duzan
Network Administrator
Delaware State Hospital
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From: ljo...@cardio.ucsf.EDU (Lynne Jolitz)
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To: ga...@dsh.org
Subject: 386BSD inquiry (fax).
Cc: ljo...@cardio.ucsf.EDU
I'm sorry -- we've had a death in the family and we're not much available
right now. The 0.2 update can be obtained by sending a SASE mailer and
an error free high-density floppy to: Dr. Dobbs Journal, Tiny 386BSD,
411 Borel Avenue, San Mateo, CA. 94402 USA. There is no charge for the service,
but if you'd like to send a dollar or more for the kids helped by the
Children's Support League (a local charity), it would be most kind. New
announcements will be in DDJ and the compuserve DDJ forum (go ddj).
I hope this helps. We hope to have more time to discuss 386BSD when other
matters have been dealt with. Thank you for your understanding.
Lynne Jolitz
Jordan K. Hubbard
>right now. The 0.2 update can be obtained by sending a SASE mailer and
>an error free high-density floppy to: Dr. Dobbs Journal, Tiny 386BSD,
>411 Borel Avenue, San Mateo, CA. 94402 USA. There is no charge for the
>service, but if you'd like to send a dollar or more for the kids helped by
>the Children's Support League (a local charity), it would be most kind. New
>announcements will be in DDJ and the compuserve DDJ forum (go ddj).
My sincere sympathies, of course (any differences I may have with the
Jolitzen stop when it comes to loses of this sort), though I can't
help but wonder at this "0.2 update". How much can you conceivably
update on a floppy? It looks to me like some sort of reduced
functionality kernel ("tiny 386bsd") configured to run off a floppy,
which is hardly what most people had in mind for the 0.2 release!
I can't see what use at all this would be. I'm not arguing with the
practice, since it's certainly generous to be doing free distributions
like this, I'm merely arguing the utility (or lack thereof) of such a
release and perhaps wondering if it isn't more of a stalling tactic
than anything else.
Jordan
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Jesus Monroy Jr
: >I'm sorry -- we've had a death in the family and we're not much available
mail j...@whisker.lotus.ie
Subject: Excuse me? [ was Re: Latest release of 386bsd ]
I pass along my sympathies along also,
but since the Jolitzes are busy I will make some defense.
Please understand I do not speak for them, I just cannot
let this comment pass.
About a month ago at a meeting of the SVNET Bill handed me
a diskette with a binary copy of the new kernel. The intent
at that time was so that people could test the new inners.
The kernel did not, at that time, have any new drivers as
part of it.
I took the diskette how and promptly tested it on a my 386sx.
It did not boot correctly. I immediately called Bill and
asked for the CRC or file size on the diskette. He stated
that he had already removed that copy and was on to a newer
version. He asked me to wait for a new copy that would have
the drivers installed. I agreed to wait.
Some time later a common associate that was helping Bill with
the new kernel ran into me at InterOP. He stated at the time
that Bill had found another large Bug in the memory section
(he wasn't specific) and a new version would be available in a
few *BSD* days.
Well, as you know a *BSD* day can last as long as a week or
more. I have been patient, as have others.
Along a simliar line a person from Stanford University can
and talk to us, at SVNET last night, about new research on
triple caching system and clustering. They were able to show
an increase of 100% with hardware driven triple caches.
These systems were all connected as clusters.
OK... Kids the hot new buzz word this week is "Clustering".
This is a position that Bill and I share. Clustering is
coming and 386BSD is heading in that directions.
I hope my grammer is swell and my speling was Okey.
This completes my comments on this subject.
Comments, discussions, retorts, critiziums, flames, roasting,
Toaster wars are welcome.
Please leave the social remarks to a minimum (I.E., "< 10%").
___________________________________________________________________________
Jesus Monroy Jr jmo...@netcom.com
/386BSD/device-drivers /fd /qic /clock /documentation
___________________________________________________________________________
Jordan K. Hubbard
> Please understand I do not speak for them, I just cannot
> let this comment pass.
I see no defense here at all. You talk about how tried to boot
something Bill gave you, which didn't work, then somebody told you
that there was a better version coming in a few "*BSD* days", then you
segue into a discussion of "Clustering."
What does all this have to do with 0.2 coming out?
With all due respect, I think you've been hanging out with Bill too
long - you're starting to borrow from his debating technique!
For the uninitiated, here's a short synopsis:
Kid: "Hey, Bill! You're not wearing any clothes!"
Bill: "Well you know, speaking of clothes, my new wardrobe is going to
have some great stuff in it! Silk shirts from London, a couple of
St. Laurent jackets, and my ties are being woven from gold! Pure gold!"
Kid: "But, but - you're naked as a jaybird!"
Bill: "Yeah, birds too! An entire line out bird outfits! Every
contingency planned for! Little holes for their feet, wing flaps,
special side-lights sewn into the cloth for flying at night (rambles
on non-stop for twenty minutes on the intricacies and challenges of
designing avian apparel).."
Kid: "Sputter. BUT YOU'RE TOTALLY NUDE!"
Bill: "Wanna see a magic trick? Look, I can make this coin
COMPLETELY disappear! Wow, huh? How about some buzzwords?
``Virtual CPU'' How about that, huh? I just made it up and
it's *already* in 0.2! You know the computer on `The Enterprise'?
Well, let me tell you about .."
Kid: "Oog.. (dies)."
Dwight E. Cass
>>I'm sorry -- we've had a death in the family and we're not much available
>>right now. The 0.2 update can be obtained by sending a SASE mailer and
>>an error free high-density floppy to: Dr. Dobbs Journal, Tiny 386BSD,
>>411 Borel Avenue, San Mateo, CA. 94402 USA. There is no charge for the
>>service, but if you'd like to send a dollar or more for the kids helped by
>>the Children's Support League (a local charity), it would be most kind. New
>>announcements will be in DDJ and the compuserve DDJ forum (go ddj).
>
>My sincere sympathies, of course (any differences I may have with the
>Jolitzen stop when it comes to loses of this sort), though I can't
>help but wonder at this "0.2 update". How much can you conceivably
>update on a floppy? It looks to me like some sort of reduced
>functionality kernel ("tiny 386bsd") configured to run off a floppy,
>which is hardly what most people had in mind for the 0.2 release!
>
I just talked with the DDJ folks and they told me the following:
1. Yes, the "0.2" disk in question is only a TinyBSD boot disk.
2. No - they do not have the current copy and as such are
not in a position to distribute anything. They were
suprised when I referenced this message and indicated
that they will check into it.
3. The are NOT planning to release "0.2 (or whatever version
it will finally be called)" on Floppy. Instead, they will
be releasing it on CD as soon as it is ready.
4. They thought it might be another couple of months but
acknowledged that it could take until the first of the
year.
I too send my condolences to the Jolitz's and hope that things work
out for them in the future. I chomping at the bit to get their new
code whenever they can make it available. Meantime, its back to
FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD, or whatever is today's popular choice.
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Joe Sharkey
In article <jmonroyC...@netcom.com> jmo...@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) writes:
> I took the diskette how and promptly tested it on a my 386sx.
^^^ ???
Jesus, you need a grammer checker two!
> Along a simliar line a person from Stanford University can
> and talk to us, at SVNET last night, about new research on
> triple caching system and clustering. They were able to show
> an increase of 100% with hardware driven triple caches.
Please. What is "triple chaching"? Any relevance to 386/PC clones?
> These systems were all connected as clusters.
> OK... Kids the hot new buzz word this week is "Clustering".
You mean like "VAX clusters"? (Ten years old...)
DEC's clustered RS/6000?
> This is a position that Bill and I share. Clustering is
> coming and 386BSD is heading in that directions.
"386BSD is heading..." -- how?
FDDI interconnects?
Corollary C-BUS or other close-coupled systems?
Not PC clone anymore, is it?
> I hope my grammer is swell and my speling was Okey.
Down to the usual standard, sadly.
>Jesus Monroy Jr
joe.
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Paul A Vixie
Many of you have wondered how this obviously clue-impaired individual could
possibly post article after article in gleeful defiance of the universal scorn
and disgust people feel for him.
"Is he witless or merely clueless," I hear you asking. Surely the combination
of incorrect technical information, inability to form sentences or spell words
correctly, and total disregard for the reactions of others calls for some kind
of explaination. This just isn't normal behaviour.
To fully understand the phenomena you have to have been reading Usenet more or
less full time for 10 years or more. In my time I have seen the Jesus Monroy
phenomena repeated many times -- by different people, in different newsgroups,
but every other detail is the same.
My correlation of all these instances tells me that some people are just
like this, and they are as much like this in real life as they are in the
smallish slice of them we see in this media. Brian Reid once christened
one of them the "usenet bag lady", not knowing that the instance he
labelled was only one and the pattern was much larger.
Jesus and the others like him are the same people who are regularly abducted
by aliens, who fight a never-ending battle against conspiracies everywhere,
who are watched by the IRS, the FBI, their employers, their families, and
by little green men from Alpha Centauri. They'll hand you their fliers in
the local supermarket parking lot, if only you'll stop and chat with them.
But please don't waste bandwidth and the rest of our time by paying any
attention to them. They will not go away under any circumstances, but the
rest of us have it in our power to make them much louder and then have to
sit through more of their tripe if we will only pay attention to them. None
of us has the ability to make the situation better, but any one of us can
make it worse.
Practice ignorance. Ignore them and they will make less noise.
--
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Redwood City, CA
<pa...@vix.com>
decwrl!vixie!paul
Larry McVoy
>I'd like to offer an observation on the Jesus Monroy phenomena visible here.
Having followed Paul's career for years, and have respect for his words, I
find it difficult to add my two cents, but...
I think perhaps the clustering stuff is coming from me by way of Bill. Bill
work for me for a while on SunBox, a clustered NFS server being announced
next week. We had many discussions about how the clustering efforts should
move forward and found (surprise) much common agreement. I was planning
on following through on clustering using Solaris, but poor performance and
general disgust has caused me to focus on the BSD source base.
I wouldn't be surprised to find that there is some truth in the idea that
"clustering is coming". I certainly find it useful, I used an 8 node
SS2 cluster to do 3.5 minute sunos 4.1.3 kernel builds; down from about 40
minutes. I like it, I think it is useful, I want to add clustering support
to NetBSD.
So, while I find it distasteful to support Mr Monroy, there is some small
basis for his comments...
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Thor Lancelot Simon
Larry McVoy <l...@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>In article <VIXIE.93S...@gw.home.vix.com> vi...@gw.home.vix.com (Paul A Vixie) writes:
>
>
>Having followed Paul's career for years, and have respect for his words, I
>find it difficult to add my two cents, but...
>
>I think perhaps the clustering stuff is coming from me by way of Bill. Bill
>work for me for a while on SunBox, a clustered NFS server being announced
>next week. We had many discussions about how the clustering efforts should
>move forward and found (surprise) much common agreement. I was planning
>on following through on clustering using Solaris, but poor performance and
>general disgust has caused me to focus on the BSD source base.
>
>I wouldn't be surprised to find that there is some truth in the idea that
>"clustering is coming". I certainly find it useful, I used an 8 node
>SS2 cluster to do 3.5 minute sunos 4.1.3 kernel builds; down from about 40
>minutes. I like it, I think it is useful, I want to add clustering support
>to NetBSD.
Wouldn't you just end up with Sprite, but with a less efficient remote file
system and no LFS?
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Robert Withrow
vi...@gw.home.vix.com (Paul A Vixie) writes:
| Surely the combination of incorrect technical information, inability to form
| sentences or spell words correctly, and total disregard for the reactions of
| others calls for some kind of explaination. [...]
The explaination is simple, Paul: He is a US Senator, incognito.
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Vax
Paul A Vixie <vi...@gw.home.vix.com> wrote:
>I'd like to offer an observation on the Jesus Monroy phenomena visible here.
>Many of you have wondered how this obviously clue-impaired individual could
>possibly post article after article in gleeful defiance of the universal scorn
>and disgust people feel for him.
>
>less full time for 10 years or more. In my time I have seen the Jesus Monroy
>phenomena repeated many times -- by different people, in different newsgroups,
>but every other detail is the same.
You have noted the pattern, but you have missed the forest for the trees.
Jesus Monroy, Jr. is actually a very advanced form of AI, developed in
the dark recesses of the CS labs in Montana, far away from the eyes
of modern society, in close cooperation with the NSA and banished Nazi
war criminals. You see, through careful manipulation, Jesus Monroy Jr
(known internally as JM-2) seems to have a minimal benefit to society as
a whole, but this is mainly due to his repeated postings regarding
code which is ubiquitous yet impossible to pinpoint, not unlike the
sheer strangeness which occasionally surfaces in his ramblings. You will
note that he occasionally lapses from near-sensibility into nonsense,
which is characteristic of the fine tuning that his neural net needs.
You see, it would be all to EASY to make an AI that seemed human, and
made meaningful posts, but JMJ's are far more than that - they are
disturbing because they lack the underlying common sense that a human
possesses, the underlying sense of order, to such "dribble".
It is this etheric, fleeting quality which is meant to disturb us, and
at the same time to be almost tolerable... insidious, is it not?
My friend, who once ventured into the depths of the montana labs,
just moved here to Austin to relax. It seems that whatever he saw in those
labs was disquieting enough that a normal, balanced individual turned
into a shrieking madman, and needed rest to recover from his mental
breakdown. I can't seem to remember what it was he told me, perhaps
my own mind rejected his fragments of broken speech like antibodies
reject virus cells, and yet, the tone of his voice haunts me to this day....
>Practice ignorance. Ignore them and they will make less noise.
Sorry, I couldn't help myself :-)
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Nate Williams
Vax <v...@sneezy.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:
>In article <VIXIE.93S...@gw.home.vix.com>,
>Paul A Vixie <vi...@gw.home.vix.com> wrote:
>>I'd like to offer an observation on the Jesus Monroy phenomena visible here.
>>Many of you have wondered how this obviously clue-impaired individual could
>>possibly post article after article in gleeful defiance of the universal scorn
>>and disgust people feel for him.
>>
>>To fully understand the phenomena you have to have been reading Usenet more or
>>less full time for 10 years or more. In my time I have seen the Jesus Monroy
>>phenomena repeated many times -- by different people, in different newsgroups,
>>but every other detail is the same.
>
>You have noted the pattern, but you have missed the forest for the trees.
>Jesus Monroy, Jr. is actually a very advanced form of AI, developed in
>the dark recesses of the CS labs in Montana, far away from the eyes
>of modern society, in close cooperation with the NSA and banished Nazi
>war criminals.
Close, but speaking as a Native Montanan, all the Nazi types live in
Northern Idaho, so you might look there. (it's so secret that no one
person can know the entire story)
>My friend, who once ventured into the depths of the montana labs,
>just moved here to Austin to relax. It seems that whatever he saw in those
Your friend was was being nice, and protecting you from the NSA. But,
know you the the entire truth, you will probably be blasted by many
more Monroy postings. Sorry 'bout that.
Nate
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Jesus Monroy Jr
: > Please understand I do not speak for them, I just cannot
: > let this comment pass.
: I see no defense here at all. You talk about how tried to boot
: something Bill gave you, which didn't work, then somebody told you
: that there was a better version coming in a few "*BSD* days", then you
: segue into a discussion of "Clustering."
: What does all this have to do with 0.2 coming out?
:
Gee..... about two months ago I posted an article about
a talk Bill gave at a meeting of the SVNET. At this talk
Bill said one of the many targets for 386bsd is to be able
to do targeting... If you (Jordan) would like a copy
I will send you one at no charge... jus e-mail me.
: With all due respect, I think you've been hanging out with Bill too
: long - you're starting to borrow from his debating technique!
: For the uninitiated, here's a short synopsis:
: Kid: "Hey, Bill! You're not wearing any clothes!"
: Bill: "Well you know, speaking of clothes, my new wardrobe is going to
: have some great stuff in it! Silk shirts from London, a couple of
: St. Laurent jackets, and my ties are being woven from gold! Pure gold!"
: Kid: "But, but - you're naked as a jaybird!"
: Bill: "Yeah, birds too! An entire line out bird outfits! Every
: contingency planned for! Little holes for their feet, wing flaps,
: special side-lights sewn into the cloth for flying at night (rambles
: on non-stop for twenty minutes on the intricacies and challenges of
: designing avian apparel).."
: Kid: "Sputter. BUT YOU'RE TOTALLY NUDE!"
: Bill: "Wanna see a magic trick? Look, I can make this coin
: COMPLETELY disappear! Wow, huh? How about some buzzwords?
: ``Virtual CPU'' How about that, huh? I just made it up and
: it's *already* in 0.2! You know the computer on `The Enterprise'?
: Well, let me tell you about .."
: Kid: "Oog.. (dies)."
:
I think you've been talking to me too much... your getting
my sense of humor... tape still available to you at n.c.
___________________________________________________________________________
Jesus Monroy Jr jmo...@netcom.com
Zebra Research
Jesus Monroy Jr
: In article <JKH.93Se...@whisker.lotus.ie> j...@whisker.lotus.ie (Jordan K. Hubbard) writes:
: >>I'm sorry -- we've had a death in the family and we're not much available
: >>announcements will be in DDJ and the compuserve DDJ forum (go ddj).
: >
: >My sincere sympathies, of course (any differences I may have with the
: >which is hardly what most people had in mind for the 0.2 release!
: >
: I just talked with the DDJ folks and they told me the following:
: :: [deleted] ::
: out for them in the future. I chomping at the bit to get their new
: code whenever they can make it available. Meantime, its back to
: FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD, or whatever is today's popular choice.
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I am going to have to follow with this statement at
some regard. While I still support Bill's effort,
I made the mistake of pause one of the drivers I
was working on while the two weeks he said passed.
OK.... I said it .... Happy now.!
Amancio Hasty Jr
>In article <JKH.93Se...@whisker.lotus.ie> j...@whisker.lotus.ie (Jordan K. Hubbard) writes:
>>>I'm sorry -- we've had a death in the family and we're not much available
>>>right now. The 0.2 update can be obtained by sending a SASE mailer and
>>>an error free high-density floppy to: Dr. Dobbs Journal, Tiny 386BSD,
>>>411 Borel Avenue, San Mateo, CA. 94402 USA. There is no charge for the
>>>service, but if you'd like to send a dollar or more for the kids helped by
>>>the Children's Support League (a local charity), it would be most kind. New
>>>announcements will be in DDJ and the compuserve DDJ forum (go ddj).
>>
>>My sincere sympathies, of course (any differences I may have with the
>>Jolitzen stop when it comes to loses of this sort), though I can't
>>help but wonder at this "0.2 update". How much can you conceivably
>>update on a floppy? It looks to me like some sort of reduced
>>functionality kernel ("tiny 386bsd") configured to run off a floppy,
>>which is hardly what most people had in mind for the 0.2 release!
>>
>
BTW: the tiny 386bsd at least with all *bsd distributions is a fully
functionable kernel. In fact, in 3 or 4 diskettes we are also capable
of cramming in X with xterm and a few fonts.
Cheers,
Amancio
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