An offer to the NetBSD and FreeBSD teams: the ???BSD Peace Prize.
Bill Sommerfeld
teams to divide as they see fit, if we go for two months on
comp.os.386bsd.* without members of either team publishing negative,
disparaging, or false remarks about each other or each other's
products.
I will pay $250.00, again to be split evenly between the NetBSD and
FreeBSD teams, if said teams agree to reattempt the merger.
I will pay $500.00, again to be split evenly between the NetBSD and
FreeBSD teams, if there is a "merged" NetBSD-FreeBSD release
distributed from both sun-lamp and ftp.cdrom.com within six months of
the announcement that the merger is on again.
This offer is void if none of the conditions have been met by one year
from the date of this posting; at that point I'll just go out and buy
BSDI..
For the purposes of this offer, the "NetBSD team" is considered to be
the current members of "co...@sun-lamp.cs.berkeley.edu" and any others
that they nominate, and the "FreeBSD team" is considered to be Rodney
Grimes, Jordan K. Hubbard, and Nate Williams plus any others that they
nominate.
Under no circumstances is Jesus Monroy, Jr. to receive any of the
money.
I will serve as the sole judge as to whether the conditions have been
satisfied.
I invite others to match this offer.
I suggest that the first action to happen is a number of private
apologies from both sides.
- Bill
Jordan K. Hubbard
I will pay $250.00, to be split evenly between the NetBSD and FreeBSD
teams to divide as they see fit, if we go for two months on
comp.os.386bsd.* without members of either team publishing negative,
disparaging, or false remarks about each other or each other's
products.
I'd be happy to jump on this one, but I don't think there should be a
dollar amount assigned to it (especially since each group would then
have to fight over who best deserved the money - you trying to break
all of us up? :-). Let's make it a gentleman's bet. I may take issue
with the members, but I'll be happy to leave NetBSD to its own
devices and refrain from public comment one way or the other (actually,
if you look at most of the postings, they're usually *defensive* more
than offensive).
I will pay $250.00, again to be split evenly between the NetBSD and
FreeBSD teams, if said teams agree to reattempt the merger.
This one I wouldn't do for $250,000 - there's no amount of money worth
having to work with the NetBSD team members, and I daresay they feel
the same way. Sorry, you can put your money away for this one!
This offer is void if none of the conditions have been met by one year
from the date of this posting; at that point I'll just go out and buy
BSDI..
Buy BSDI? Sure - I'd even recommend it. You can then escape all this
political bullshit and just have an OS that works, which is all that
most of us every wanted. Everything else that's happened around it
is just a waste.
Under no circumstances is Jesus Monroy, Jr. to receive any of the
money.
Well, now hang on - let's not be hasty.. :-)
I suggest that the first action to happen is a number of private
apologies from both sides.
Don't hold your breath - many of the principled don't even understand
the concept.
Jordan
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Jordan K. Hubbard
I will pay $250.00, to be split evenly between the NetBSD and FreeBSD
teams to divide as they see fit, if we go for two months on
comp.os.386bsd.* without members of either team publishing negative,
disparaging, or false remarks about each other or each other's
products.
I'd be happy to jump on this one, but I don't think there should be a
dollar amount assigned to it (especially since each group would then
have to fight over who best deserved the money - you trying to break
all of us up? :-). Let's make it a gentleman's bet. I may take issue
with the members, but I'll be happy to leave NetBSD to its own
devices and refrain from public comment one way or the other (actually,
if you look at most of the postings, they're usually *defensive* more
than offensive).
I will pay $250.00, again to be split evenly between the NetBSD and
FreeBSD teams, if said teams agree to reattempt the merger.
This one I wouldn't do for $250,000 - there's no amount of money worth
having to work with the NetBSD team members, and I daresay they feel
the same way. Sorry, you can put your money away for this one!
This offer is void if none of the conditions have been met by one year
from the date of this posting; at that point I'll just go out and buy
BSDI..
Buy BSDI? Sure - I'd even recommend it. You can then escape all this
political bullshit and just have an OS that works, which is all that
most of us every wanted. Everything else that's happened around it
is just a waste.
Under no circumstances is Jesus Monroy, Jr. to receive any of the
money.
Well, now hang on - let's not be hasty.. :-)
I suggest that the first action to happen is a number of private
apologies from both sides.
Don't hold your breath - many of the principles don't even understand
Bill Sommerfeld
from members of both teams.
The FreeBSD folks were pretty much still receptive to the concept of a
merge, though they mentioned two particular individuals on the NetBSD
core team who were uniformly uncooperative, obstructive towards the
concept of a merge and whom they refused to work with.
The NetBSD folks were more-or-less uniformly "insulted" by the whole
suggestion of the "Peace Prize".
I find this difference instructive.
- Bill
Adam Glass
The NetBSD folks were more-or-less uniformly "insulted" by the whole
suggestion of the "Peace Prize".
I find this difference instructive.
- Bill
I think i should expand upon this. I was one of the NetBSD people
offended by Bill's mail/post.
I for one do not do NetBSD for $, I do it for fun. More importantly,
NetBSD's decision making is based on careful reasoning by reasonably
well-informed and experienced individuals. I do not like the
suggestion that for what I view as a *BRIBE*, we or FreeBSD should
change our carefully chosen directions. If we have chosen to go our
seperate ways for whatever reasons, it is not appropriate to offer
bribes to change that decision.
As for the greater issue, these discussions have gone on in private
for a long time. That they failed for various reasons is indeed
unfortunate. However, you the public *MUST* realize that trying to
force a merge upon both parties is a mis-guided goal. Some things are
just not meant to be. Perhaps other opportunities will arise in the future.
As you have seen, the differences betwen the groups are great on many
levels. It is my suggestion to the 386bsd/NetBSD/FreeBSD user
community that they learn to live with these differences, and enjoy
the productive competition that has/will result.
later,
Adam Glass
a NetBSDer
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"reality is for dead birds"
Stephen F. Combs
: The NetBSD folks were more-or-less uniformly "insulted" by the whole
: - Bill
I personally, have NEVER suggested that the (2(?)/3(?)) groups shoud merge.
'Twould have been nice to see a clean, ego-free, merge of SOME of the stuff
done by the Net/FreeBSD groups into a common area, but Merger has NEVER been
in my thoughts on both groups. They BOTH have different ideas about what
the O/S should be! I WOULD like to see less of the 'My O/S is better than
your O/S, Nyea, Nyea, Nyea (bronks cheer as appropriate)' and more of what
each group says they set out to do, i.e. for NetBSD more research into
O/S-kernal improvements and for FreeBSD a stable, usable system which is NOT
Bleeding-Edge but which provides a useable, stable kernal with a set of
well-integrated utilities for the NON-Bleeding Edge user.
The fact of the matter is, that with the, as originally spoken, objectives
of each group, there would come a time when they would HAVE to diverge!
Please, let's cut the crap and get away from the "You guys screwed this up/
NO You guys screwed THAT up" diatrabes and get on with the program(s).
(Please excuse any typo's, mis-spellings, etc...)
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Steve Gerakines
>I will pay $250.00, to be split evenly between the NetBSD and FreeBSD
>teams to divide as they see fit, if we go for two months on
>comp.os.386bsd.* without members of either team publishing negative,
>disparaging, or false remarks about each other or each other's
>products.
>This offer is void if none of the conditions have been met by one year
>from the date of this posting; at that point I'll just go out and buy
>BSDI..
Why wait; get your order in early. :-)
Seriously though, could someone please start a discussion for a
comp.os.386bsd.advocacy newsgroup. I'd do it myself but I'm not
extremely familiar with the process and someone directly on the net
could probably better handle it.
While I think there are tough issues to be resolved between both
groups, doing it in the current comp.os.386bsd.* groups does not
seem very appropriate to me. There's no guarantee that arguments
would be contained in the advocacy newsgroup, but at least there
would be an alternative place to post such issues.
I'm sure I'm not the only one that really has no interest in weeding
through all the petty bickering going on. It can only be discrediting
to both camps.
Thanks,
- Steve
ste...@genesis.nred.ma.us